Cowboys Break: More Trade Debates

share something with the Cloud? I do? It was actually something I just noticed on Twitter on the cover for account where one of our producers, Caden Gates. Oh yeah, I decided that he was going to dress up as our own Dave helmets. Pretty good, right, He nailed nailed it the way he walks in with the like the handling, like what what do you want? Oh? Yeah, that was it was so the bear the beard was a little too long, but I mean he probably bought it at Target,

so no beggars can't be chased. So it's so great. He did a great Oh he did, he did. There's a video of him doing the eyebrow rub. Nice. He really good, really good work. If you got if you haven't seen any. Go checkout cover four shout out to Titter, you'll see the video. I think Taylor retweetered, does anybody

jumping out or anything we're doing that? No. I was trying to think of something, anything that could come up with for Halloween that we could do, and me and Nick we're talking about it last night and we came away with basically, Amber's gonna be unaffected by it, and Dave, we really don't feel like it's a good idea to

do this to him again after that last time. I didn't like it, So we were because I was thinking, can we have somebody like back there that if we got you to turn around, would just completely freak you out? But I couldn't think of anything. You'd turn around and see yourself and the reflections. So I don't know. Maybe I'm pretty I'm a pretty chill guy, but I don't like when stuff pops up in my face. It's not a good feeling. Yeah, if you if you miss that was last year or year before. I think it was

two years year. Two years ago we had Shannon jump out it from under here at Dave. Of course we have talking cowboys sitting there, so you'd be there the whole time. I think I think it was Kelsey Charles. Somebody was asking me the other day, like, let's go to a haunted house. I was like, absolutely not. Why would I pay somebody to do that? It's the worst? Are you just scary like that? Like you just like don't like stuff popping out at me? It's not I

don't know. I don't like the way that feels. No, thank you, happy, happy Halloween. Well we're not doing that to you today. Thank you. So what happened? Though It's been two years, but I still haven't forgotten you? Didn't she was just for the sake of getting She did look kind of like this, like I'm not how old are you? Like? How old is shining to be hiding underneath the desk? Sorry? Mom? Too old? All right, let's jump in. We got a couple of things we want

to hit today. Nick's gonna tell us a little bit about his New York Giants storylines for the week, and we're gonna have Dave get into this New York Giant defense. Tell us about that defense. I know we talked about the offense yesterday. Seems like they're all world So let's tell we'll talk about the defense defense a little bit. I've been figuring out how they are as say they were all world. Let's start first with those storylines though. Nick walk us through some of the storylines this week

for the New York Giants. All right, well, the Giants are gonna they're bringing in Leonard Williams. He just moves from one lone room to the other from the Jets. He's h we'll talk about how he fits into that defense. But you know, they they kind of had one way to go. You know, it's kind of like baseball now with the trade deadline. You decide are you gonna go in or you're gonna do nothing, or are you gonna

go backwards? And you know, the Giants and another point that I had, they had three names on there that people were talking about maybe trading for alec Ogletree. They're linebacker Nate Soldiers, a tackle and I'm missing another guy um that they oh Jenner Orris Jenkins. They decided not to do anything there, and then they went the other way and got Leonard Williams. So they're not giving up on the season there, two and six, but they're not giving up on trying to win and get better, and

I think it went out. Yeah. True, and they got hot last year if you remember, or they got warmer last year. So the fact they made a move and didn't make a move, those are a couple of things. They're obviously this team looks different, you know, which I don't want to cut your off ahead. I just they asked me about that on the radio today. They're like, well the Giants. The Giants stood pad and they added Leonard Williams. Like they doesn't seem like they're giving up

on the season. And I was like, well, even if they even if they don't think they're going anywhere this year, Like, I don't think this team is that far away from being good, right, Like assuming Daniel Jones is good, which is obviously the big if in the whole thing, but like you look around the rest of that roster, Like the offensive line has been much better Soldiers there for he's got a few years on it is the old They drafted her Nandez. They got good offensive lineman. They

obviously have a generational running back Ingram's good, Shepherd's good. Barkley, I already said, Barkley, He's amazing. They have talent in the secondary. They drafted DeAndre Baker this year. Genor Jenkins is not as great as it used to be, but still good. They need help in the front seven, like big Time, and the defensive they have to now rebuild, so this is not I don't even think of the Leonard Williams move as a they're not giving up on

the season. I look at it as this is a young team that's trying to rebuild, and this becomes a cog in that rebise. Yeah, they gave away a third and a fifth, but they they've been getting a lot of picks for some of these moves they made. If I were the Giants, I would try to look at this year like the two sixteen Eagles at a rookie quarterback they got. They struggled early, but they kept playing, they got better. They had a big win at the end of the year for momentum sake. They go into

seventeen and win the Super Bowl. That's a great point. And I just if Daniel Jones is good, which we don't know if he is, but if he is, I don't think this team's very far away from being pretty scary. Yeah. Fortunately they're not there right now, though, and that's what's important to the Dallas Football Cowboys. The next point I was making was just how different they are, I mean than the week one. Usually you season one, week one, week nine there, you know it's about the same, But

not so with Daniel Jones. We talked about that some yesterday. Another storyline going out for them is just the fact that their receivers are getting healthy. We talked about that some yesterday with this will be the first time that Shepherd and if he's cleared. He hasn't been cleared yet, but Sterling Shepherd and Golden Tate out there together, that'll be even better with with Daniel Jones, who likes to throw it down the field. And then I talked about

sa Quon Barkley. I looked up the stat This is kind of interesting, goes this goes back to in twenty five years nineteen. Since nineteen ninety four, there's only se Quon Barkley is the only player to ever rush for have two fifty yard rushers or more against the Cowboys. There's been seven or eight other guys, but he's the only guy to do it more than once. And he's done it in the last two games actually, so you know, his average of every time he's facing the Cowboys, got

fifty nine and a sixty eight yard or so. Not too many guys have gone fifty yard rushers against the Cowboys. He's actually done it twice, So it's good stay always always gotta watch him, for sure. And it would have been longer if Cheeto wasn't running twenty five miles an hour. And the thing that probably is should be a little bit scary for the Cowboys this week is that when he was doing that in that last game, he had a really good game. Their passing game just wasn't doing

very much. And now, like you said, the thing about Daniel Jones is it's kind of two different guys right now. Some games he shows up and plays really well because he limits the turnovers. Some games, him playing well is derailed by the fact that he's turning it over. If he has one of those games where he doesn't turn it over, they could be a really good offense and that could be a problem for the Cowboys. And so you got the same thing with the Cowboys and their team.

They're kind of two different, two different teams. Anytime they play somebody else, you don't know which kind of Cowboys defense you're gonna get So maybe that's something that balances out the game and makes it a harder one, rather than you thinking that this is just going to be a quick, easy game for the Cowboys. Yeah, not a quick eas I don't think as Bill Parcels used to always say, there's two sides of that pancake. So when when the Gilliants, I don't know. He used to have

all these phrases and we still use them. I'm just so enamored. I'm enamored by the idea of the Cowboys head coach saying a bunch of quirky interesting things. Okay, it used to be the best part of my day every Monday, what's that like? Wednesday, Thursday and Friday was listening to Bill Parcels and press conferences. It was so much fun. Go ahead, Sorry. My point was is that, yes, he throws the ball down the field more more than Eli Manning. What was the thing about Eli Manning that

was always hard to do? Get him on the ground because he gets the ball out quick, so you don't throw the ball deep. You have to wait a little bit, a couple of seconds more. Now they got Michael Bennett, you got Quinn, you got d law. So if you're holding the ball just a little bit longer to get your guys down the field, that's also a situation where you can get more sacks more than they used to. So yeah, you might give up more big plays or have to watch that more. You also might get more

sacks and turnovers because of it. I thought about this after the show yesterday, which it's and I don't know. I don't want to. I don't know Eli Manning's headspace. He doesn't seem like the type of guy that cares

about stats more than anything else. But I think it's interesting, Like Daniel Jones is like the classic rookie who doesn't know what he doesn't know, where as Eli is this fifteen year vet who's he's like, I gotta get the ball out or I gotta get down because I can't be taking sacks like this, And whether he's thinking about it or not, it's still a narrative that's like, well he's he's one fifty and one fifty, you know, like if he loses this game, then his what's his legacy

and like all that big heavy stuff, Whereas Daniel Jones is like, this is my fifth start for a bad team. Like, let's just go out here and wing it around, like and this is a bad team, so there's not much in the way of expectation on him, at least relative to other top ten picks. And I think that can work in the cowboys favor or it can work against him, because I think he's just gonna go out there and play ball, like he'll extend plays, he'll throw it down.

Feel like, who cares if I throw four picks because we're two and six anyway, and we're just trying to learn about this team. So, like I said, it can hurt the Cowboys if they don't play well, but this could be another situation where they get three four takeaways, because I think this is a completely different animal at quarterback who's, like I said, he doesn't know what he doesn't know. He's not afraid to go out there and

do stuff. That's also the challenge of this thing is that whenever it was what you were talking about before and you said the Giants aren't that far off, whenever this thing starts to click, and what I mean by that is whenever he gets to the point where he realizes what he can do and when is the time

to do it? When is the time to take that chance versus not like that's when this offense can then really start to take off, because again I think they got weapons, especially on the offensive side of all the defenses.

Their issue and we'll talk about that in the next segment, but their offense has weapons, and whenever the quarterback figures out how to be able to go down feel but do it at the time when you can actually afford to wait a little bit longer, and the rest of the time dump it off to that guy that's underneath that can get you five six, seven yards and not take the set. That's when this becomes very very dangerous offense. And I think I agree with you. I don't think

they're very far from them. You know, we talked about Parcels. You remember the game when part two thousand and three. I don't know what you guys were doing in two thousand and three, seventh grade awesome, but working for the Cowboys. Yeah, but Bill Parcels his first game on the road, it was at the Giants. It was a Monday night game and they made seven field goals and came back and won. It was it was a pretty crazy game. His first win with the Cowboys. That's that's the last time they

faced the Giants up there without Elias the starter. It just goes yes, because and he did start at the end of the O four season, and he started every game, and even though he was benched in seventeen or six eighteen last year, right or what, No, it was, it was what's his name's last year. I don't even Macado. Yeah, so it was seven whatever, somebody somebody started, but then he came back in and started forever. So he say

it like that he's old. Yeah, geez, yeah, And you know, you can say what you want about him and the faces he makes and all that he gets up and plays. I mean he's been I mean he's for a guy that's not very elusive, he's found a way to not take big hits, and you know he's the backup now. But it's just it's this will be the first time they've gone up there and shoot sixteen years and not faced him. That's wild. All right, we're gonna take our

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the growth. Talk about the defense though, because that was an area where they also lost some players last year they let they traded some players away. Where are they right now as a defense? Well, they did add Leonard Williams, and that's I mean, he's a top five talent that's

worth considering. And I would say, you know, I'm so used to like even it's so weird how and I bet Nick can relate to the It's like these things just imprint themselves in your mind, Like the Giants play four three and have badass defensive ends Like that hasn't been the case in a long time, but that's still how I think. Like, so they trade for Leonard Williams and I'm like, well, is he gonna play three tech

or end in this defense? And then I was like, the Giants play three four idiot, Like, he'll probably play the exact same spot. So I'm interested to see how that goes. Um, they're They're not very good. Statistically, they're twenty eighth in the league three eighty seven seven yards per game. They're worse against the past than the run. But I would argue like the talent is all actually in their secondary and I think their big problem is just their front seven is not it's not good enough.

Their their talent devoid there um they do. They have Dalvin Tomlinson and Dexter Lawrence. They spent their other first round pick aside from Daniel Jones on him. You know, three four linemen out of Clemson, So honestly, good play Well, it's all sort of it's kind of the pieces are kind of moving into place. Like you've got Dexter Lawrence. Leonard Williams will be on the other side. If you can resign him. That's the hell of a book end. Dalvin Tomlinson is I don't know if he's Snacks Harrison,

but he's a pretty solid nose tackle. So all of a sudden, that looks nice. These linebackers, though, to get the pressure in the three four, that's where it's a problem, right, And I mean it was a problem for them in Week one. They could not do anything with the Cowboys offensive line and dak ate them alive what he hit four hundred yards. You know, we thought he was going to break all of the you know, he will throw for five thousand yards off the strength of that first game,

and it's not any different. Like they haven't really changed the personnel there. They have Marcus Golden, Lorenzo Carter as the rush linebackers, alec Ogletree and Dion Buchanan, which Dion Buchanan's a former safety tweener guy that they got playing inside linebacker in a three four. So that's you know, like the stats will tell you that the secondary's terrible. I would argue they their front seven just does the no favors because I mean Jenris Jenkins, DeAndre Baker, another

first round pick, Jabrill Pepper's Antoine. But they who's getting older but has had a nice career like that, that seems fine to me, Like I don't I don't dislike that at all, But they're not generating any pressure. Last last time around, Tyrant Smith and Lyle Collins eight, Golden and Carter alive, and like I expect it to happen again.

I just don't think they're those guys. And that's where all my focus is I'm just like, if if the Giants are getting a ton of pressure on Deck in this game, something's up, because I just don't think I see it unless Leonard Williams is all of a sudden that amazing in a position that doesn't traditionally provide that much pressure anyway, thinking about the run defense and going back to the first game, obviously that was Deck. I mean I was Zeke just coming off of being away

from the team and probably wasn't his best self. Certainly. I think this last game you probably saw a different side of Zeke and we've seen all season. How do you think that matches up relative to how they stopped the run. It's a good question. I mean, yeah, they he was on a snap count in that game. Tony Pollard is the guy they leaned on in the fourth

quarter when the game was kind of out of hand. Again, I just I think this is a super favorable matchup all up front, and like I just said, like the front is looks talented on paper for the Giants, I just don't think it's all there. I don't think the linebackers are up to that task. If you watch them on tape, you see you know, Golden and Golden and Carter were running themselves out of the play against the Lions tackles all last week, and I just I like

that matchup a lot. Yeah, and if he looked at what happened in that first game, I mean they did try. I mean they didn't care if Zeke was at training camp or not. I mean the they basically were trying to set out for that. I don't think he had a huge game stat wise, and he didn't have a lot of snaps, like he said, but the middle was wide open. That's where you saw Blake Jarwin wide open for a touchdown. Randall Cobb on a similar play. So you know, they did what they were supposed to do

to try to stop the run and it didn't. It didn't help that game that those guys were making big plays. Gallup had a few as well down the field. That was back when we thought they were gonna play action fake on every snap this season and so much movement. Hopefully they'll get back to it this week. Yeah, Zeke had thirteen carries for fifty in a touchdown. I mean, Jarwin, it's going back to the I mean every time Jarwin goes there. He scored he scored four touchdowns in his No.

Five in his career because he had one last game right Eagles An, Yeah, that was his first touchdown ever or against anyone not the Giants. So he's had three up there and then here's the fourth one. There's matchups to exploit there, Like I mean, I think the Giants know that they got to be all hands on deck to stop the run. There. They don't look they're not super disciplined. They weren't in the first matchup. I think you can take advantage of that. Like I said, the

I like the secondary. But Matt Stafford had all day to throw last week, he completed twenty five or thirty two passes for seven eight yards. I'm seventy yards. Seventy eight percent of those passes three hundred yards. I'm sorry. I mean that would be embarrassing. That would be the reason you got a high percentage. But I mean there, you can take advantage of that. Like DeAndrea Baker's talented, he's not all the way there yet that he looked lost, but I still think part of that is because there's

nobody pressuring the quarterback. The one sack that the Giants got on Stafford that really stood out was they'd played really great coverage and he had nowhere to go with the ball typical coverage stack. But I don't see them getting to Dak on a regular enough basis to offset that. So let's assume for a second that this defense is able to have some success against the Cowboys offense. Paint

the scenario of how that would have to happen. They load up to stop the run, which and okay, to Nix's point, like they weren't great against the run in week one. I mean they weren't great running the ball

in week one. So they do that and then and I like, their pass rush is just gonna have to be better, like because if Dak has time to throw or if the play action really asserts itself, I just don't see the secondary holding up again, not because they're not good, but nobody can cover for that amount of time.

They're gonna have to blitz, and they're gonna have to blitz and hope that you know, Jenkins or whoever is covering Cooper, you know, wins a lot of those battles, and you know, and and forces some bad throws and some deflections, and you know, you get you get a holding palm toy here and there, and it changes everything.

You know, you could be first and tent at to thirty five yard line, you get a holding, now it's first, and twenty to twenty five changes everything, change the field position, and so Cowboys have to just stay you know, ahead of the chains and not getting those long situations where then they'll have to punt and create more confidence for

the Giants defense. But I guess I could say this is uh, like, I'm just I'm not worried about Lyle Collins and Tyrann Smith, like they're like, I just think they're gonna win that match up with ease, or at least as easy as you can in the NFL. But you know, if you got you have Dexter Lawrence, and now all of a sudden you have Leonard Williams, you can't just say, well, you know, Travis, help Connor, because you know Zack doesn't need the help now you need.

You have two guys who theoretically could really give the interior of your line problems, throw in some blitzing maybe on top of that. I could see that I'm still I leaned toward the Cowboys in that matchup. But if Leonard Williams and declare Dexter Lawrence can make some hay against the interior of the line, then that could be troublesome. Yep, how do we feel right now about what are we

hearing right now about the health the two tackles. Obviously they both played the last game, they've had it some time off now with the buy. Are they backed close to it to one hundred percent health or is a situation where they're gonna have to battle this for the

rest get it? Get it. But I'm just saying, like those injuries, the specifically the injuries, and I know guys have nicks and bruises and they're gonna have that, but just the injuries and them coming back, I would guess I would guess both of them probably we pushed themselves to come back, maybe a little bit early even just to make because they saw how important that Philadelphia game was. But all that being said, what are we hearing about their injury status at this point as far as those

injuries are concerned, Well, they're both out there. Tyron got some rehab work before practice, but like they're both in uniform and practicing always a good sign. I'm trying to do the math in my head. Tyrone got hurt on September twenty ninth minutes October thirty first, So they're saying, you know, it's not a true high ankle sprain, So like that's right in line with especially with a week off, Like that's right in line with how when you should

be feeling better. Same thing if it's a you know, a mild MCL sprain. For Lyell, he got hurt on October fifth, so you're talking three to four weeks. Like, again, yeah, nobody's truly healthy, but like they should be right about as good as you could expect them to be. But if they aren't and they somebody gets hurt or maybe they get hurt in the game, they're gonna have to go down to the fourth tackle. Because it sounds like camp flints. Cam's out this week. So Brandon Night and

Jason Garrett was asked about this. Is he the backup to both sides? And he said, we'll see. So I think he's gonna try to play left and right tackle, but I would think he might you'd be better suited on the right side. So if something were to happen to time with the tyring, I don't know. I mean it could be they could do a lot of shuffle, probably jumps out Zach. I don't know. I know, like Zach Martin is definitely there, like break Glass absolutely in

case of an emergency. I don't know if they would try Connor or Zach first. I mean, Connor's done it? Is it bad that like Connor's done it more? But like I totally I would be like Zach, get out there, That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yet more recent? Yeah, well, because he's more fresh out of college. Like Zach hasn't played tackle since the twenty thirteen college football season, so it's been a long time. You probably also look at it from a standpoint of Zach Zach. Zach is really

really good at guard. Connor has his moments, right, So if you're gonna you don't want to take away from what's really really good and put him out a tackle where he may be a little less because he's not used to it, versus moving Connor where you still may be a little bit kind of shaky at times. Right, I don't know, Like that'sh Which player do you have more confidence in to do the job that they're not ready for? I guess I would. I think I would just go with Brendon night. Yeah, just put him over

either side. He didn't do horrible when he got to He really no, He's really played well and they helped him. They helped him a pretty good amount of time. But I think that's what you're gonna have to do either way, if he's gonna in the game. Right. Part of me just I just want to see how Zach Martin would play a tackle, like, just for my I Actually I

asked him about that a few weeks ago. I was like, is there any part of you that just wants to know how you would do it tackle, just like because you're a competitor, And he was like not really, and I was like good. I was so disappointed. I was like really, because like I'm dying to know. I just want to see. But you seem like you're all world at everything. So I'd like just to see if you can translate it over to tackle. All right, we'll take

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for us? Well, I have a watch party. It's coming Yep, it's coming up November twenty fourth at what do you go to watch party? He watched the Cowboys play the New England Patriots, and you watch them win, and it'll be a very fiftive game day atmosphere at the Dostio's Championship plods at the Star in Frisco. So the Cowboys will take on the New England Patriots. They will not be undefeated then, but they're just throwing out a whole bunch of predictions here. Only I feel like everybody's kind

of in the same boat there, not everybody. What do you mean by that? Well, we talked to we were on the show Happy Hour show Darren, what somethings that the Cowboys will win? I think brought us thinks the Cowboys will win. It's just like a Cowboys thing into paytriots. Yeah, now they're oh against the Pats. I was like, I'm like, yeah, I think that everybody thinks that they were wanting to get well that's in my head. I'm like, yeah, I guess I think they're going to beat the Giants. Um,

I'm not. I'm not there. I'm not there yet, but it'll be a fun place to gather with your Cowboys friends on November twenty fourth. Go out there, bundle up, watch it out there at the Star and it'll be outside. Parking is free, admission is free, and then you can go all the cool restaurants that are around there at the Star District. I do think it will be an entertaining and a close game. I don't know if I'm there yet quite rather well, I'm ready to say the Cowboys.

I want to see how they play against three not as good teams before I pick them to beat statistically the best defense in the history of the league. Good point. Yeah, not to mention the greatest quarterback of all time. Yeah, in a building where they never lose. Yeah, I'm not ready for all of that. Just seems like it's a little daunting. But I do think that this is the county.

I think the Cowboys would give them a run. I think they'd play they play him close because they would get up for that game in a way that they'd The Cowboys do is play stressful games, like right, fact, so the fact that they played three unstressful games to start the season is like the biggest upset of all time. I'm ninety five percent there that I think the Cowboys will win that game if they go and lose to the Lions the week before there, because that's what they'll do. Now,

they go and blow out the Lions in Detroit. They're just like the games they just Lions. They just run through all. I don't like it. Yeah, oh they can play. Garret's got I'm playing. Well, watch this. But if they they beat they beat the Vikings and then just roll over Detroit. Yeah, I'm good about that. I don't like that at all. All right, let's go ahead, jump back in. We got some calls coming in you guys, call us eighty eight eighty five five two two ninety seven or

hit us on Twitter at Derek Eagleton. Let's take a call from Travis and Michigan. Travis, what Traf? How's it going? How you doing great? But doing good? I'm glad to get in. I tried getting yesterday was talking because Mickey was he can on the Adams trade and all that, and he brought up a point that kind of had

an epiphany for me. He brought up a point and said him and brought us were going back and forth, which they always do, which is always good, but he said something like, he said something like Woodson, you know if he is he Woodson? Is he Woodson? Because I'll gi up a first round pick if he's Woodson. And I thought to myself, is the organization and you know, the team itself, are we holding ourselves back by thinking I'm only going to give up a first round pick

if the guys Woodson. Like, I know Woodson's stature and you know, within the organization and the team, and he was awesome, He's great. But I feel like we're holding this standard to Woodson and saying like, if even that Woodson, I'm not making a deal for him. And I understand the price is high, but I'm kind of with Nick where I'm a draft nerd. I totally get it. You want to build the draft and you want to give a baskets one hundred percent, But at a certain point

the house is built. So if you're if you're there, make a move to be there. Jerry's talked about it before. He wants to win. Now to me, it doesn't seem like a win now move. And on top of that, you're kind of telling me that you don't think this team is one player away if you're trying to go get Adams, So like, which is it either we're there and we're all in, or you don't think we can compete with the Niners and the other teams, which I

kind of don't think either. I think this was the move that they needed to make, and that's just my frustration as a fan. So are you saying that you were willing to in this instance, again, if we're going according to reports, you would be willing to give up a first in two seconds to secure Adams because you think that gets you over the top and you're not concerned about what that means for the future. I'm not, and I'm glad you brought that up there, because I are.

You and David brought the fact that, well, you gotta have holes in the off season. What if you lose a left tackle or if you've got to replace this. The simple fact is right now, you have a left tackle, you have a right tackle. Yeah, next year you will not have Next year, you will not have that defensive end. Next year you will have to probably replenish your defensive tackle. Next year, you may have to replace your your cornerback. So those those are things that are that are real

and they're gonna be here next offseason. The Rams will too. Does that have to do with anything? I don't understand The Rams will all in. They made a trade for Dayling Rams. Okay, And that's again I don't I don't follow the Rams. I don't talk about the Rams, So I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure how that fits into their long term plans and what else they got to do this offseason. And I get you, And again I'm not against what you're saying. I really am

am not. I'm just trying to be clear on on making sure that that I understand you when you say you want to do it, that you're saying, I'm good and going all in first two seconds for the purposes of securing this player. Yeah, okay, let me just say one more thing, one more thing real quick. I feel like way back in the day we talked about and I'm not I don't support to see there, we used to build different agency. We bought, we bought, we bought, we spent, we spent, we spent. I feel like, now

we've gone I'm told again, I'm totally with it. We've built to the draft. We've built a really good team. It's there, but you're building building building. At some point you've got to win. You gotta win now, Like that's my thing. And I know they've got one hundred percent more towards the drafts id you since Steven's kind of taken over a little bit more and Boo mcclay's in there. I get that, but like there's got to be a healthy balance of like, yeah, you can lose some guys

next year, well plug him in. But I trust the scouting stuff. I'm in with three agents, a few of them not high priced guys. But you can you can work it, massage the cab, you can work it that they can build spots. I believe and move one year all in and then if you have a down year but you make it to the championship games, they want to get to care if they go six and ten, they win the Super Bowl this year, do you care? Well? I think I mean the fact and nice of the call.

I love the call. I think I think Travis brought up a lot of concerns that a lot of fans have and like it's you know, I'm not trying to ride the fence. Like I really feel both ways about it. And honestly, I think it's kind of funny that Mickey compared Jamal Adams to Woody, because like he is Woody, Like he's that good. Sorry, Mack, he's much younger. Yeah, I think that's a cop out. Honestly, is just a way of saying, but I don't know what the answer was.

What's then the answer is, yes, he's a he is a Swiss army knife. He's not. He's probably not gonna get you eight picks in a season, but neither did Woody. Like he can play all over the fricking field. He can, He's ferocious against the run, his instincts are off the charts. Nobody ever asks him to play in the slot, but I bet he could in a pinch um. So he is woods and so like, if that's the case, they should have done it. This whole thing is not about

the evaluation of the player. I think everybody was on the same page that this, Yeah, this is the price. This was all about the price. Are you willing to give up a one? I think the Cowboys probably would have been all in on that. Are you willing to give up a one in two twos? I think the Jets that's that sounds like that was their asking price, and that doesn't seem like this I heard. I heard Mike Fisher on that same show last night make that point.

And it's really a great point because if you think about it, the Jets are saying three guys. The Cowboys are saying one. That ain't even close if the reports are true. Yea, if that's close. I don't know. That's one report. We've heard other reports, so it's hard. It's hard to balance it all. I don't think I would have taken two twos. But my point is about the Cowboys love those two. Yeah, but they haven't been very good.

Like I think that's a fair statement. I mean, I think you can say that that has been, that has been up and down. I don't think it has been. It hasn't been. I don't think it has been for what you're talking about. I mean, I don't give me to Marcus Lawrence because the mark because he's the thirty fourth pick in the draft. That is a very high second. If you look at where these picks will be fifty or more. I went and look this up. Give me every every second round pick in the history of the Cowboys,

fifty to six. We're not talking about those. We're talking about the ones that McClay even and Jerry. He's making a really good point in all honesty, I know, but I'm saying, let's not say that in history, because the same people weren't making when they've drafted at the back end of the second and they got Gregory, they got They've had one pet pretty good, one pro bowler. It's Sean Lee who was picked fifty. But I'm just saying, because if you get Jamal Adams, this team's gonna be

picking twenty fifth or so and then fifty five. So you're picking in the fifties. The track record says that hasn't been very good. To take that, So I don't think you have to give up two twos. I think you have to give up one two. If I'm giving up one two in the next year's draft and I haven't been picking very well in the fifties, I'll take my chances, you know, I mean, I get to them. I will tell you this. They had to trade up

to get him at thirty four. I will tell you this, if if the offer was really down to a first and a second, maybe I go with them there, and maybe I go with you there, especially if they're split over two years. So this year I don't get a one, next year I don't get a two. Maybe I'm there, but the reports are true there was one in two twos. I'm not. That's just too much for me that I got it. The draft becomes my lifeblood. When I've got all these high priced guys that are my frontline guys,

I need the drafting l to replenish. And I'm gonna try to use Travis as analogy. He said the house is already built. He's right, but I'm trying to imagine.

I've never built a house, but I'm imagining like you're in the finishing process, like the final steps of this, and it's like, well, do you want the badass covered back porch with the fire pit and the flat screen TV, and then your budget is just completely wiped, so you got no money when something breaks, or do you just want the concrete slab with some patio chairs and then when you start to have problems, you got some money

left over. Because that's the choice you're dealing with here, and honestly, as much as I would love to have Jamal Adams, but I get why they're doing it because you need those picks. And again the point Travis brought up, Yes, the Rams are clearly going all in. They have not

won a Super Bowl yet. They played like crap and lost it last year, and if they don't do it this year, they're probably in deep crap because all of a sudden, you're asking Jared Goff and Aaron Donald to carry a team that has no high picks and is saddled with huge contracts everywhere else. And I'm assuming that means they're probably a little bit older, like the average age of it they become Seattle And I could be wrong, but I don't think Jared Goff is Russell Wilson. I

don't think he is. And so I'm with you on that. Nobody you're saying you have to carry it because they went all in and they won, right and then they kind of and then they figured, you know, everyone else signed. If the Rams win the Super Bowl this year, then it will have been worth it. And if they don't, I think they're in a heap of trouble and for anybody that's gonna come at me and say like, well, it's been twenty five years since we've even been to

a conference championship game. Like, don't kid yourself that you'll be okay with that. Like, if you're gonna push your chips in and they lose the NFC title Game or lose the Super Bowl, you're not gonna feel good about that. You're gonna be miserable. And then then the narrative will be how many years since you've won the Super Bowl? Right? Been there? And by the way, you've just mortgaged your future,

so now it's about to be downhill. It's not like you're going to keep that window open for a long period of time. I don't know. I'm I'm the one that would say go all in because you've had all these years where the Cowboys have had successful draft and they do have a lot of talent, But where has that gotten you so far? Nowhere? Really, So it's like, Okay, this is a year and every year the team changes. Next year, you're not going to have the same team

that you have right now. You're gonna lose some talent because of the money and all that. So if this is a year to do it. We're here now, it's this present. Not worry about the future. The future will come. You get some other We don't know what's going to happen with the coaching, but let's say, Okay, Jason Garrett, time is up, and then you get somebody else who can actually get some things out of these talented players and the guys that you do have on the roster.

So at one point it's like enough, it's enough, and you are ready to put all it, all your chips in. And I think that this is the one time where fans truly feel that this is the time because of the player talent. I don't think they feel the same way for Jason Garrett, but because of the talent that's being put out on the field, I think this is where fans get frustrated and they think, Okay, this is the year to actually get it done. And I agree.

I think most people probably are just really disappointed because this was the opportunity to take your team over, like you would have felt like going into this last AffA season, you felt like you had talent on this defense to be the best defense in the league. And that says a lot because there's some good defenses in this league. But you would have felt like that talent acquired with Michael Bennett, with what you already had here, you would have felt great about that. And that's why I think

there's so much disappointment from fans. It's just because they saw it there. It was right, seemed like he was right there in reach, and then all of a sudden,

it's not there. Let's go sorry, let's go even more macro though, Like I hadn't even really considered this, but there are people making those decisions that are probably in some part of their brain thinking we might have to reshape this team for a new coach in the coming in the nearer or distant future, and the whole new show Dave not having first the second round picks is not a great way to start a new regime. Just literally, that just popped in my mind. It's it's sorry I

keep cutting you off. That go ahead, right, No, I was just saying, what another point that guy made was, you know you always have everyone's got that that rich friend that just has a lot of money and they don't ever spend anything like they don't ever. He's like, I know, you're not pointing at me. Yeah, they save it. They save it. They're like, you know, and I'm like, when are you gonna spend I mean what, I get it, you're saving them for whatever, but at some point spend

the damn money. And it's like, let's just the you know, moving it back, moving it back. At some point, you know what, You've got two aces and there's an ace on there. You gotta just go all in at some point. And I think I would have done it. That would have been the moment for you. I think, so I there's no way to not I'm riding the fence and I'm sorry, Like I think I would have done it too. But I know it's their responsibility to keep this team

competitive for three, four or five years from now. And like I said, I'm a little bit disappointed, but I don't I'm not just see anything mad that they didn't do this deal. I'm just not right. I could. I could probably be convinced both ways. And I do see the value. That's the part. That's the part that trips you up as you see the value and you see

the potential. But I also see the part where you could be looking here a year or two down the road and you're like, man, that was not a great decision because I do think last year in the draft, they had an opportunity to get what we would have been the best safety in the draft, for the second best safety in the draft in the second round. Like there are still opportunities where they could get talented safeties.

They just haven't addressed it like that, you know. And so if you really think you gotta upgrade your safety position, why not use that second round picking go get yourself a freaking safety. It is funny that they'd be willing to do a major deal to get a safety but not just pick one at fifty eight, right, which I mean, Jamal Adams is a different animal than one Thornhill. But yeah, no, I hear you. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys. You want us for back Tomorrow, We're gonna wrap this

thing up. Let you guys know what's going to happen. This is the second time you got hyped up of all the safety that's annoying. That was an arrow tip. There's a question. There's a question that a fan hatch yesterday about I mean today about that, and I'm actually gonna bring it up tomorrow because I thought It was a good question about these back to back times that really we've been talking significantly about safeties around the league and what that means for what the Cowboys really think

about their safety position. But we'll talk about that. Shouts out to Travis. That was a good little a little good little dialogue for Nick, even Dave helm and Abergarcia. I'm Derek Hielton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.