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twenty one, Season seventeen, episode number sixty one. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break Life from Nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. Cowboys get a big win yesterday, we're going to talk about it. They went forty three to three to the Atlanta Falcons at home. That's so just hearing that score. That's incredible. And I've Nick as soon as we finished with the Denver game, his first words were, first, don't even know if the game was over.

You were like, I know, who was gonna get their bus? Whoop Atlanta? And you clearly put that target on them, and Cowboys showed up and showed up. Nick. Nick, you deserve some credit, my man. I mean, this is this is the NFL, and I take I took issue with that. I was like, you don't just get to decide that they're going to whip somebody's ass, like if they get

paid too, That's that's how this works. And not only was he right about that, he was also like, and then Philli will probably turn around and kicked Denver's asses and here we god' you know, maybeat Denver by seventeen points. So no, no, don't be raising your arms over there, because you were after that game when we came back into the office, you were saying, well, I don't know about this team. I have my doubts. Now he did, Now, I said, I did say that. I just said we'll

find out this week. Like if they go and they lay an egg against Atlanta, now we're gonna find out what they are. But I did I thought they would kick their ass, and not so much about the Cowboys doing it. I just thought the Falcons would come back to earth a little bit a combination of everything. Dan Quinn was not gonna let that happen, and that was that was clear, and you could see with the game ball and all that stuff like it mattered to him.

So I just hundred percent, I just that's amazing. Because I mean I picked him to win by eleven points, which is covering the spread. Well, that's it's a dominant win in the NFL forty points. Yeah, you just don't see that. You just don't. I mean, they from the from the coin flip to the into the third quarter, they just the Falcons didn't look like they belonged on

the same field. Probably the most complete win that I can remember the Cowboys having, and I mean for a long long time now when they beat Jacksonville if you remember, like that was like three or four years ago, eighteen yea seven maybe it was. It was that was surprising because we thought Jacksonville was good. What's going on here? We thought Jacksonville was good? Um, but just from everything,

the defense was dominant, the special teams was special. Again, Um, they actually blocked upon that way, you know, like the right way. What talking about that? That is unbelievab What are the odds that they would do it in back to back games? Get it right this time? And oh speaking of right, right, Nishan right who scores the touchdown after bobbling the one last he's so he's so awesome, Like get to interview him after the game and give him credit. Last week, he comes in there, he did it.

He talked about the play and all that. This week he comes back and he's like, he's got this grind. You know, he reminds me of Bryce Butler. He's got this you know, big smile. He's like, he's like, I'm back. You know. It's like, and it's better this week. You know, he was all excited about it and and is like, of course he scored the touchdown. You know, that's why I love full circle. Yeah, everything about this week seemed

like it was full circle. Cowboys needed this kind of You just you don't get to write narratives like that in the NFL. Like, we had a bad setback, so not only are we gonna win, we're just gonna obliterate the other team. The rookie that had the terrible mistake is gonna get He's gonna get his touchdown. What else happened? Dak played his first game, so it was gonna play his best freaking game. Mike McCarthy, I mean they didn't.

He didn't have his team ready to play. He had some he had some fourth down calls in there that backfired on him in that particular game. He didn't change that. He stayed with the fourth quarter I mean fourth down gambles, you know, he stayed with that. And he also switched it up and said we're taking the ball, which I didn't like that. I never liked it, but I would always always differ. But it worked this time because they got the ball, they scored, and then in the third

quarter it didn't matter. It didn't, I mean, nothing matters except for when am I gonna write my story? Was it? Was it just me? Or did the whole game actually, from beginning to end seem just kind of effortless, like they weren't in there and we're just having fun. It wasn't like, oh, we're battling and really trying. It's just like they're out there playing having fun. Yeah, getting things. One of the things I said to you was like, okay,

this is all good. It felt like a like a maddened game where you're like, okay, I gotta get everyone some stats here. I was like, I just hope Diggs gets to pick I'm just changed this narrative around for him and get an interception. It seems like a type of game where he would and he did, and he made one of those digs plays where it was like off his head. Every interception that was made was a

great play. Yeah, I mean he caught one off his head and that was the third best one because Jordan Lewis had a good one, and then Anthony Brown that was the best one. That might have been one of the better ones of the whole season. That was an amazing interception. I'm in awe. I'm in awe of that performance, honest, And I mean, the Falcons aren't world beaters. I get it. They I doubt that they actually make the playoffs, even though that they were in a wildcard spot yesterday. But no,

they're they're no, They're absolutely alive. It's we're seeing it. There's like there's three or four fire breathing dragons in the NFC and then a bunch of I mean, the sixth and set, the fifth seed's gonna be a great team and the six and seven seeds are probably gonna be pretty mediocre. Here's here's what's interesting. And I'm not sure what the Rams have done, but but they're not

even winning their division right now. So of the of the division with leaders, all four of them have a terrible loss, right Like you would think Dallas had a really bad loss in the Denver Tampa yesterday. What was they were on there? The Cardinals yesterday and then they didn't have their quarterback or their top receivers. So okay, that factors in. Yeah it does. And you know, we'll see what Cam's doing there in Caroline and all that.

But Blade Bay got murdered in their opener to the Saints. Yeah, so and we know the Saints they're there, so they're one of the teams. Is very hard to figure out who they really are. Yeah, But I mean, overall, I mean, it was just a fun it was It was a fun game, and in a game where you know, it's like okay, all right, if there was any doubt, and there was, I mean there was a little doubt because you want to see, okay, is this who they are

or not? Well, I thought they sent a message to the league of like that's when we're playing our game, this is what can happen. Yeah, and they weren't shy about saying either. A lot you get a lot of questions after a forty point went about like did you make a statement? And Zeke Elliott was like, yeah, we're that team. If if, if if we're if we're on our p's and q's, we're that team. And then Michael

Parsons was even better. He was like, uh, he was like, I don't want to curse here on the microphone, but we're not trying to be fed with right now, like talking talk that trash, Michael, Let's go go. You know, I thought about this a couple of times, and I was gonna maybe say this in the you know, um on the press box, but I'm like, oh wait, Jason Garrett, like that was it was. It was fine for you know, but it went for a decade and you could tell,

like you could just kind of sense it was. It was, it got stale and then this isn't a bash him. It's just that that's his. It's the most happens. Yeah, and it's just refreshing to see different plays, different things that we've never seen before, you know, just like, yeah, let's keep doing this McGovern thing and he's gonna get the ball. Its point. I thought it would be yesterday,

but you know, and let's do different things. Let's do different things all right around, you know, and and the way they do things on special teams and letting Fossil do some of his things. I mean, it's just different stuff, and it's it's fun to see. Yeah, it's always something different. I think most games this year. You do look at something that they did different. Yesterday, the I don't know if what you can call it, the handoff to Zeke and Zeke kind of it wasn't a loaddle like a

handoff that past pass. Yeah, first it was just it was just it didn't go anywhere, but it was still just different. It's something different than you you know, some of some of the ways that Kelle Moore utilized my government yesterday. There were things that I was like, I didn't even realize you could even do, you know, because I started following the NFL with Jason Garrett here obviously

focusing mainly on the Cowboys and everything. So now seeing some of those things that he's coming up with that is so creative to me, I'm like, oh, we can do that, Well, why haven't we ever done that before? So it's just it's really refreshing and very very exciting. Like Nick just said, I'm glad Nick brought this up to because I love the way that they didn't they didn't blink, you know, the game went South last week in part because they get they missed those fourth downs

gave Denver spark. They don't care. They didn't go for it on fourth on the opening drive like they did last week, but two of their three fourth down attempts were on their second and third possession. One of them was a fourth and five. It's not even technically like a close just they don't care. Twenty one yards the CD finish that drive with a touchdown, then the next one fourth and three. Don't care. We're not even We're screw the sticks. We're going to the goal line. We're

throwing at twenty three yards to Michael Gallup. And I don't think it's Yeah, I don't think it's a lack of respect for the Broncos or the Falcons for that matter. It's just look at us. We're the Cowboys. We got these guys. We should be going for it. We should be dictating the game. And you basically you put the game out of reach right there because you whimp around and kick a field goal and it's ten three, or now it's thirteen to three, and oh it's thirteen to

six before the half. That's whimp football. They're like, no, we got studs, we're gonna go score touchdowns and make this twenty one to three. And I love it. I absolutely love it. And when it was thirty five to three, it was about to be thirty five to three on an extra point, and they have a penalty with you know, on Atlanta to get the ball down to the one

they just take. Instead of just declining it and taking a thirty five to three league, they said, no, we're gonna take them off the field, put the offense back on, run the ball, get two point conversion and be up thirty six to three. I don't think a lot of coaching staffs would have done that, you know, going back, I'm so bad at math, but that makes it a five score game instead of a four, right, So there's

like a mathematic thirty four point. Yeah, there's a mathematical reason to be doing that, yeah, which is yeah, Yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. Going back to the fourth downs, do you think in any way that what they did yesterday on fourth downs, because there were some of those situations, I think, and I know for a fact the second one. The first one was a little outside or maybe I have him back with side.

It was a little outside of field goal range, but maybe would have been How much you think their their decision making yesterday was a reflection of the fact that they didn't have Zirline. I don't know. I really don't know how what they what they liked from him in the pregame warm ups, if they if they were you know, comfortable or not. Um. You know, we noticed it in an extra points he's got a different kick than than than Zerline and it's it's more of a line drive.

It may and that that means he may get some more more blocked one longer field goals. I don't know that, but it's an interesting point you made too during the game as to why you thought maybe that was. Yeah, maybe from Canada, where you may have to kick into heavy winds, maybe it's makes more sense to kick just drive that thing through because it's a different kick. He's just driving the ball. Uh, you wonder what it looks like on forty fifty yards. But they never had to

kick a field goal. And you interviewed him, I did, nice guy. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what to ask him. I was like, I was like, I'm I'm kidding when I ask you this, Like I'm not being serious, but like you get kind of disappointed when you start trotting toward the field and they tell you to turn back around. Question. Yeah, because it happened to him yesterday. And he's like, no, I mean the goal is to the goal is for the team to win games. So you know, I got to play my part with

the extra points or whatever. And that's he made a really good point. There's so much stuff that goes into that that you don't think about. And he made the point that we're talking about the kicker who didn't kick in the first segment. I love it. That's how dominant this game was. But he's like, you know, they got they got like a Hall of Fame caliber return man. Like a big point of emphasis was to not let him really have a role in the game, and they didn't.

That's a credit to him. I think the first one, maybe fourth and five. It's a longer distance than what we're used to. It would have been a fifty yard field goal, and it's early in the game. That could be asking a lot. Second one, no chance in hell. I mean that's a forty two yard field goal. Indoors, roof and doors were closed. I just think they trust their offense. And by the way, if they didn't kick the first one because of Lerium, just keep him on

the team. I'm sorry, Greg, like, I'll sacrifice that if it means that we're making the right decisions on these fourth downs. I don't care. Doors were open, right, I thought they were close open, doors were open. I missed that. Sorry, Sorry, it was a nice day. It felt it probably felt the same, you know. Um. You know another thing too about that first one. I don't think you decide to take the ball and and to go get a three nothing lead, you know. I think I think that that

mindset was we're going to score. We're going and so I don't think it would have to be fourth really long for them not to do that. The mindset was to go get a touchdown. And they were also aggressive on those two plays. I mean, they got twenty one and twenty three yard games like they weren't. It wasn't like they were just trying to pick it up with a little dump off into the flat. I just the poe, the poetic, the symmetry of it all was just amazing.

Like they might have scored a touchdown on the one to Cedric last week if Dak Puts throws a better ball like he threw an awful ball, and then this week that is a that is a tough throw and tough catch like it's a corner route. The coverage was nice, Dak had to put it exactly where it needed to be not to see on the first one. And gallop throw was a nice one too. They were both. They were both nice. But at least you know Gallops breaking back to the ball. You've got to you've got his

body to target. But you put it in right there where he lived at the toe tap right. But the Lamb one, you're just throwing it into space. You're dropping it into a bucket in front of him. It's gotta be right there or it's not going to be complete. To have the faith to throw that route on fourth and five and to just hit it beautifully. Just that was that day. A chef's kiss. Why is that what we're doing? Though? All right, you guys are so old.

I like it. That's awesome. Okay, that's awesome. It's internet, Internet. Yeah, that's that's a meme. We eat you guys on that. That That was That was all you I was. I was with it. Nick was with it. I think it was with it all right. We're gonna take our first break when we come back. We got more to talk about with this game. We might have a little time to talk about with another game as well. But what do that one? All? Right? Back? This is Das Cowboys

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is the second segment of break claf SWB. See Mortgage Studios at the start, Nick, real quick, we never got to a sixty one. You want to give me a sixty one for today's episode? Yeah, Well, you know, there's always the right answer and then there's always my answer. Ye, both sixty one. Yeah. Nate Newton, our dog, he's best friends now again or friends every day. People were asking me like, because I was just like what you stared at, because he was he didn't like. He didn't like the

whole bad loss. There's no such thing as a bad loss. And I didn't say it was a bad loss. All I said it is when you're on the radio. Yeah, I said, you can learn from a game like that, because they've been getting by with these bad first first half and maybe you can say, all right, if we have a bad first half against ever, we're not always going to come back, so you better not have a start like that, and so maybe you could just learn from a loss. That's kind of what my point is being.

Was I love Nate sixty one? There's only one sixty one and there might be some others, but I think he's the best. He's the best. This job puts you in some we'll acknowledge this in a second day. This job. This job puts you in some cool spots. And like the fact that I just take it for granted that, like I got high five Nate Newton every day on my way through the hallway. It's just the like, yeah, that is pretty The coolest you know, when you realize it.

When you realize is when you're talking to your friends and you're just kind of talking about random stuff and you mentioned somebody and they're like, wait, hola, what did you just say. It's like, what are you talking about? You say Nate and they're like, wait, are you talking about Nate Newton? Like, yeah, perennial pro bowl er Nate Newton gives me crap about my sneaker collection. Yeah he does. No, It's it's actually pretty fun. That's what I love about

it because he's he's like one of us. He has in his mind, but he's not really you know, he's but he is, but he's been in his mind. He's like, hey, he's one of us. He's the jokes laughed, you know, he'll talk to you know, Amber, Bob Kickers, and he'll talk to everyone. He's got a thing for everyone. But you know, he's a six time pro bowler. That should be the ring of water. I'm like, let's not forget that truth all right now, Dave. Uh, we got the elephant in the room, or more like that razor back

in the room. Yeah, which you want to tell us how every there's there's I just know there's gonna be like at least five people who didn't see me wearing the jersey in the first segment and just ran to Twitter just like, oh you patience is a virtue. Okay. We didn't want to lead off with college talk after a forty point win. Okay, we actually thought about moving it to tomorrow, and Day was like, he was like, non, have to deal with all that. I am a man

of my word. I think anybody can relate to this. We trick ourselves as fans. I went into you know, we played well against Alabama. I was like, seasons lost. Anyway, this is a bad LSU team. We got nothing to lose. We're gonna play Doug nust Meyer's kid. This will be fun. News flash. It wasn't fun, and I like, I thought, like, because you make a public bet like this, you're just thinking about that in the back of your mind the whole game. And I just we've you were busy, you

and I know you don't care. But we made Arkansas. I had like five yards of offense the whole first half, an LSU just could not capitalize, Like we could not couldn't put punt, We turn over in the red zone. So it's ten to three at halftime. Should three who LSU should have been? Should have been at least seventeen to three, if not more. And I just remember sitting there at half to I'm just like, we're gonna I'm like, I'm gonna have to wear this jersey, Chris, keep your

finger on the bar. I was like, I'm gonna have to wear this jersey because we ran a wildcat in the red zone for the first time this season. And lo and behold, kJ Jefferson turns into freaking Johnny Manzelle. He must have slipped six sacks in this. I'm not exaggerating. He must have slipped out of six sacks like you showed me. Yeah, yeah, he looks more like Nate Newton than Johnny many. Honestly, he reminded, I thought I was watching good Lsu JaMarcus Russell. That's what I was, just like,

we can't we can't bring this guy. I thought it was. I told Nick, I was like, that's that's Matt. That's a Matt Matt Jones. Matt Jones. Yeah, well that's that big guy that could run. And you don't think he's as fast as he is until he's striding down the feet like that. Well he wasn't. He wasn't even killing

us with his feet. So, I mean, he he had some nice runs, but he'll just he'll take a blitz and linebacker shake him off like he weighs one hundred and twenty pounds and then sort of dance out to the sideline and throw it to a wide open receiver. Matt Jones by far my favorite player to ever play at Arkansas because he was his Yeah it is no but but he came back and won the next year. But but Matt was. I mean, he was just this big, tall,

white kid that was faster than everyone thought. He could play receiver, could play quarterback, played basketball, He was a great dunker. He just he was he was awesome. Yeah, it's fitting that I'm wearing his jersey because it's also John Stephen Jones, true Gary's grandson. Third stream quarterback Matt Jones.

He tortured us for like it felt like five years the Hail Mary game and Little Rock and and LSU had an what I think, we won six in a row, and so it's fitting they they tortured us on Saturday. But the gut when it gets over time, I mean just like we were saying over time's terrible. But um but we you know, through an interception and then our freshman kicker makes the kick and then I didn't realize that this was an LSU dance. Yeah, I just thought it was like the new popular dance that all the

kids are doing. But it's an LSU dance. Yeah, yes, it's the gritty Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson made it a thing during the National championship season. They danced in the ends and well they so our kicker, who looked more like, yeah he did our dance on our field. After he walked off like it, I like, hey, that's almost I can't act like I don't like I'm the kids that dude get the get like this song, y'all

play somebody did that like earlier this year. Yeah, after they beat we've freaking birl If they beat beat LSU, We've lost like five games, six games. I can't keep track of it anymore, but it's I'd do it all over again for the twenty nineteen season. But it's been rough times for the Fighting Tigers and all all credit, all all credit to the hog fan. They played a better game, and I love you know this. I love to LSU loves to act like Arkansas is kind of

beneath them. We don't really treat them as a rivalry. But I don't like it when they have the boot. I don't like it at all. But no, I'm like, as soon as Arkansas breaks the streak, I'm like, I'm gonna need that back not to get caught. I was gonna ask for someone who has an LSU logo tattooed on his arm, how does it feel to wear an Arkansas jersey? I mean, I don't like it, but I would feel worse fields Obama jersey. No, I'm like, you know,

I just said I want to beat them. I definitely don't like that they have the boot, but like Arkansas's fourth or fifth on my on my to do rivalry. Yeah, just so we know, just so, I mean, as I said, I'm trying to sweep the floor here this year, and I'm not. I'm talking about you haven't had a year and it's never happened. But when I'm in the floor,

I'm talking about upstairs where we work. Because Texas, Derek out A and m Rob finally out LSU and then Mickey Missouri, We're coming for you and that will be man and will Yeah, that will be the game. I didn't say anything about Alabama this week. That's fine, true, we don't have we don't have many Bama grads. Bet with Mickey, Mickey, I'll try to. I'll try to real quick to tie this back into any Sure, there's playing a cowboy fans that don't care about college football. But

I was thinking about cowboy fans on Saturday night again. Well, she was awful by our standards, and I went, I was like, we're playing with house money. This is gonna be fun. And by the second quarter, I was like, I'm not having fun. I hate how much I want to win this game. I feel and it reminded me of last year where it's easy to just write it off and be like, oh, we suck. I don't care. But every weekend you're still sitting there on the couch

just exactly why am I so invested? It's ridiculous. I did that in the in the Region final Arkansas Baylor. We'd already won three games to almost get to the Final four. Baylor so good, We're not gonna be Baylor. It's fine, I'm not I'm fine. Whatever happens happens. I broke my remote when they got down five to nothing, five to nothing, I broke the remote. Batteries were flying all over that all. I was like, I can't do it. You can you say that you you're good, but you're not.

You wanna talk about your team, Well, it's the exact same thing. I couldn't turn it off this weekend. And I was like, before the game, I told myself I had plans, we were going out to dinner with friends. I was like, I'm just not tuning in. I'm not gonna let them ruin my night. And I'm at dinner with my freaking phone out turning game, like I can't believe we're battling against freaking one in eight Kansas and they're kicking our butts and then we pull back and

get to overtime and losing overtime. It's a it's a disease. I love it so much. I say this all the time. You hear you, hear me make this speech all the time. And it happens with Cowboy fans that are listening to you. Don't choose to be a Texas fan or an LSU fan, or Arkasas fan or a Cowboys fan. I mean, it chooses you. It does. It chooses you unless you spend a lot of money there and then it becomes a choice that they made for you to something that's true. But but to be a fan. Yeah, it's not a

it is it's it's it ropes you in. If you have the choice to take it or leave it, then we're not for you. This is just this show. This show is not for you us. Saturdays are great. I never get anything. You should leave it that way. Yeah, I'm kind of vious. Don't le anybody rope you into college. Else. I sit there on Saturdays with like a bourbon in my hand. I'm like, I could be out, I could be out at dinner, I could be seeing friends. But I'm letting a bunch of teenagers dictate my happiness of

my life choice that is that is absolutely ridiculous. All Right, all right, that's enough for college football, because I really don't want to talk about college football anymore, all right, So let's get back to the Cowboys. Michael Gallup returned yesterday. He three catches for forty two yards, including that big

fourth down reception we talked about. Talk to me about like how that all played out from standpoint of him coming back and Cedric Wilson, who has been kind of the guy that has stepped up in his absence and played really well, they kind of went from one end the spectrum to the other, like he didn't play. I think he had one snap yesterday. Is it the injury?

Maybe that's going on with him, and I have to think that, yeah, I mean, because he was banged up and they just didn't need another guy out there to I mean, they probably was like a wait and see, see how you feel. And but yeah, he didn't return punts early like early in the game, he didn't even go out there to return punts, So I was thinking maybe he was going to be inactive, so they just

didn't have to press it with him. Yeah, I think because if you look at it, it's not even Yeah, Michael Gallo came back and had a nice game, but Noah Brown got snaps, Turner got snaps. I think he was. Yeah, he was targeted in the end zone. Um, so they're never just gonna be a team that we have three guys and only three got no they rotate everybody. So I think it was he is not all the way healthy and we definitely don't need him if we're scoring

twenty nine points in a quarter. One thing that was surprising to me yesterday in this game was Cowboys win big, obviously, but the running game didn't seem to have the yards you would normally see in a blowout. Zeke Whin fourteen carries for forty one yards a two point nine average, not great according to his standards Pollard Win eleven carries

for forty two yards three point eight average, again not great. Well, you got surprised at all that they didn't get much out of their running game yesterday in a game that was a bit of a blowout or not a bit of a definitely a blowout. I have a few thoughts.

You can go ahead a few yeah, yeah, I was a little surprised too when in our view of how Atlanta plays their safety so far back and so they weren't like really really loading up to stop the run because they were making sure they didn't get beat with deep balls. You didn't see a lot of that either, so it was kind of an odd defense. And when you think of the score and all that stuff, yeah, you would have thought a little bit more rushing yards. The stats were a little weird for a forty point

game like that. They weren't as gaudy as you would think. I think Dave makes a good point. They pulled the starters in the middle third quarter, so that that that helps some of that and plush when your when you get eight points just from block punt and a touchdown, I mean that that adds to it. That doesn't show up on stats. On top of everything about that is right, the passing game was just working early on. And again that goes back to and I don't I haven't watched

the tape. I don't know how similarly they played it, but that goes back to Dak and Mike McCarthy's point of like, yeah, please play us that way, Please play us the way that you think is a blueprint to stop us. We can throw on you if you if that's what you want us to do. So I think

it's a combination of that. I think it's worth pointing out probably thirty rushing yards got called back by holding penalties, whether they were bogus or not bogus, So Tony Pollard had at least two nice runs get wiped out by calls. And then not only do you pull the starters, but you're running the ball all through the late game just trying to get out of there, a lot of it being Corey Clement running behind backups, which is gonna kill your average. So I think that three point three average

by it. And then and then also to Nick's point, anytime you get a like I don't want to call it a game swinging touchdown, but the punt block just kind of sealed the competitive part of the game, right, And that requires no there's no drive there, there's no offense. So that's a whole point swing that's taken away just by a special team's play. So stuff like that kind

of makes the box score look quonky. Sometimes it was nice watching the game and being like, you know, because a lot of times before we watched the game, we're like, why are they not running the ball? Run the freaking ball? And it wasn't one of those It's just like where that just became a secondary thing in the back of your head. I did, It didn't even come to my mind. So actually you're saying that, I'm like, oh, okay, I didn't even realize that. That's just how well the passing

game was working. That's just how well they were utilizing all their different weapons to the point where you weren't even upset at them not running the ball as much, not utilize and Zeke as much. I think he did enough. He did what he needed to do. He got in the end zone too, So it's like it was just working and it's just going to happen that way sometimes depending on who the opponent is. I do also, I remember it feels it's completely irrelevant and feels like ancient history.

But in the early part of the game, when it was still in doubt, I remember being like, oh, they're running on first and second and long a lot, and I don't like it with how the pass is working. So and they're gonna tell you you still have to establish that and that's part of balance. I get it. But one thing was working really well, and that's I know, running the ball is always conducive to success, but whatever

I mean, if the pass is working, take it. I don't care for your thoughts on the offensive line yesterday, Conna Williams continues to have some issues with regards the penalties and what were your thoughts overall if you're looking for a negative from a lady point when that's probably it. Yeah, I mean monro the old off the offensive Connor Williams, to be clear, and I'm not trying to pick on

the guy, but I think he got flagged three times yesterday. Yeah, one wouldn't call it back, but I mean it was a touch was that the touchdown? It was a fumble on Zeke Um declined fumbled at the end of the run. Was gonna he was gonna wipe out that play too if he didn't wut the penalty on the touchdown. The play we're talking about earlier where Dak at the I mean Zeke passed it no brown brown down the field, but he I think there were it was two holdings in a chop block like that call. It was two

holdings in a chop block on the same play. No, No, Connor got flagged for two holdings in a chop block, and I think one of the holdings was kind of bogus. Sorry and got away on the on the chop block, I mean, because I heard this in the press block, it just kind of fell he kind of he fell down like that there down to press box. Yeah, I mean, I'm the Dallas Cowboys have never committed a penalty in

the eyes of Mickey Spa. And the thing about Mickey's got his headphones on right because he's watching the game and it's just always gonna be louder. So he's just you know, he's just like, I don't realize he has a hit phone done. I guess. I don't know if he was doing that bad call refs he fell down or he fell down, you know, I don't know what it was, but like he was frustrated with him for falling down or whether it was the rest Yeah, yeah,

but Connor heard it. You know, he turned back and he was like, you can you can nitpick it all you want. Maybe maybe he should have only been flagged once. He got flagged three times. I think so that I think that puts him at twelve on the year's let's talk about this, can he I mean, clearly they would put Connor McGovern in there if they thought he was better, right, because Connor McGovern's under contract, he's probably gonna be here. Connor Williams is probably not going to be here. I

don't I don't think. You know, somebody brought this up yesterday and I kind of just dismissed it. But I'm starting to wonder if maybe there is something to it. Is the sub package that they use for Connor McGovern the reason maybe why they're not willing to do that because they see value in what they're doing with him there fifty over ten though. I mean, I said, I get it, and you're right, That's why I dismissed it.

But then after I was doing it later, I was like, but there's it's hard for me to believe McGovern is not as at least as good. And if he's the guy you think maybe here longer, why wouldn't if he's not trying, you know, he's worse. He got a penalty too. Now, let don't forget he got in there and second he played for Zach and he got a penalty. But let's don't underestimate what's happening with McGovern because this is not a fun, cute thing that Kellen Moore's doing. This is

a needed thing. They need a fullback, they need short yardage running, and he's providing that. He's a big body guy, bigger than any fullback, but agile enough to get I mean that's one thing. Get your ass up there. I mean, like get off the ball because Zeke and Poller are coming quick. So and he does that. He's doing a really good job. That's blocking in space because a lot of times, you know, a big guy like that, I mean Micah Parsons is showing on the other side, he

can like slither past you and stuff like that. So it's not as easy as you think just to block in space for a big guard like that. I think he's doing a great job. I think it's needed and it's helping these red zones. So I don't want to take that away. But something's got to happen to left guard, can't I mean, couldn't you teach Connor Williams to do that? I think you could do it. I don't a good point, I just I mean, what we've always heard about him

is that he's athletics more than strong tackle. Not trying to take away from Connor McGovern, but I just got to imagine you could that that's not a skill set that no one else has. That's all I'm trying to say. That's a good point. Um, Yeah, I think so, I think, and you you hear whispers of this around the facility.

It's it's different right now because Tyron Smith is hurt, and I think they don't want to mess with the continuity or just the vibe while they're arguably best linemen or at least one A and one B with Zach while he's out. But when Tyrone's back healthy playing left tackle, I think, I think that job's up for grabs, honestly, and I don't They might not ever make some big announcement about it, but that gives you the two Connors and depending I just assume Terrence Steele will move back

to the right tackle when Tyron's healthy. If that's the case, then throw a Lyle Collins in there and between the three the way back up. You said you think still will go back to right tackle. I think so, Lyle. I think so. Really, that's that's kind of that's not something we've really talked about before they did it. They already did that when Lyle came back from his suspension. They were like, no, Steal's good here, Steals good at

right tackle. It wasn't that also because of the continuity, the continuity, and I thought we'd even talked about it last week that you know, maybe the reason why you move Steele is because you're thinking, hey, we want to get we want to get a Lyle back into shape so that when Tyron comes back, he's in his normal spot. I can't predict to a certainty what they're gonna do, and Lyle played really well yesterday, but I don't. But you think, again, left guards your problem spot. Else is

another guy that can play left guard. If you're trying to fit that, moving Steel to right tackle gives you as many options as I could see that scenario. Yeah, I could see that. That's that makes not an issue of Lyle being not as good at right tackle, but give you the most position playing. I understand that. And if it's a situation where they moved in the guard, that makes sense. If you're saying Steel moves back and Lyle goes to the bitch, I have a hard time

seeing that. Yeah, I don't see that either. And I think, honestly, I think if they would have decided to put Steele to replace him at right tackle when Tyrant comes back, I feel like they just would have put Tyrant. I mean, I like all over there. Yeah, but I really like that left guard spot. Now I think I think, yeah, I think that might need to be the it happens.

It's it's a really interesting conversation because and I'm the one that just said, you moved Steal back to right tackle, but Tyrant getting hurt is maybe a blessing in disguise in the sense that you don't technically have to bench Terrence Steele. You know, you didn't want to pull him off after he played so well and be like sorry, kid, but now he had to switch jobs and the old starters back in his old spot playing well. It's a little smoother of a transition than just yanking the guy

out of the lineup. So there's a lot of interesting stuff they could do. Point being, trust me, the Cowboys have left guard circled as a concern, and once Tyron Smith is back healthy, I think it's at least something that they're going to look at I don't. They don't have blinders on about this. Especially they already knew penalties were a problem, and he just got three more. I mean you can't ignore that. Ye all right, we're gonna take our final break. When we come back, we're gonna

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last night. So maybe they're rounding into form, just the time for the Cowboys to go for a visit. You know what this is? This is everything you want? Yeah, this is absolutely Randy Well oh yeah no, but I'm saying I want I want them to be good when the Cowboys go there, because this was the game that we all looked at electric when the schedule came out, like, this is gonna be a good Sun's gonna set it like four pm. Arrowhead, gonna be a lot of Cowboy fans.

It's gonna be like forty two degrees. Absolutely, millions, it's millions. It's gonna be at least like it's gonna be at least seventy thirty. Yes, and that's what like cool story, Denver, You that's awesome. Guess what Cowboy fans do that every freaking time. They go on years? Remember eight years. They knew that the twenty twenty one game. In twenty fourteen, they were like, man, remember last year when the Cowboys lost to the Chiefs, Like, when are they going to

come back twenty twenty one? If you're still alive, come to the game, Like that's what? Well, yeah, I mean, you know, eight years hard to play in anything, but Arrowhead was my first NFL road game, was it? Yep? What happened on the bush? Brian brought us always tell story. He's very consistent with the storytelling, and it's a good story. It's a good story. Always tells the same story about

Monni Kiffin. Monnie Kiffin fell asleep on his shoulder led a after seventeen sixteen, Mo Claiborne drew a DPI on a cruise on a must have third down. What he said in the press conference, I'll never forget to call it a press conference, is not a press conference. And he sat at his locker, facing into his locker. Oh yeah, yeah, wouldn't turn around to like, you know he said that was Mo. Yeah, you know. It was his second year in the league. Um, He's just like, I do it again.

That's the way I play like. It was third and eight and it was like a slant for three yards. I mean, catch the ball, tackle him and you punt and the Cowboys have a chance to win this and he just dove on the guy pi first down. Game was over and he was like, that's I would do it again. And we were lolling, really because if you did it again and you can't, oh okay, as it's funny. And then I called I can't believe I said Mo yesterday.

I was doing that all day twenty four. I was like Mos out there and who Kelvin Joseph hey Lsue cornerback. Is it funny that Mo goes and wins a championship with Kansas City? Then, I mean just letting you know. I'm not trying to die. Yeah, he wasn't like a major player or that team he was on. He was on the one hundred and thirty pounds. Yeah. I think about that, And the answer Chris is no. I think about that all the time. Like Anthony Hinchins has gone

on to great success with the Chiefs. He won a super Bowl with them, and people are like, oh see what happens. I'm like, no, the Cowboys played that perfectly. Like and by the way, people are killing him absolutely. Who bands are killing him? Right? They have? They have a few guys, don't think I know Blake Bells back with them, back with Casey. I believe Charvarius Word is still there. Um, that was a weird one. By the way, Damian Wilson left, He's not there anymore. Remember him, Charvarius

were we could talk about? Oh well, actually tomorrow it's cruel tomorrow. Tomorrow we got one of our old lunch breaks coming back through for a little visit. Miss Dio Wall who is now a news reporter, like she's big time now, she's a news anchor up in Kansas City. She's going to be joining us tomorrow talk a little bit of Chiefs with her, what her thoughts are on that Chief's team and what it's like there the city following the Chiefs. So we'll do that tomorrow. It'll be fun.

That sounds cool. Yeah, I mean we'll get a chance to catch up with her a weekends. It's fun because I just said, like, I mean, this is gonna be must CTV. Some mahomes and dak and all that stuff. But even after this raid is when I assume everybody in case he's still kind of hanging out on the ledge just like we thought. We thought we were gonna be ten to know what the hell is going on? You know what was interesting and it's rare to happen.

You know, you have a noon game, you go home, you watch the game, and I bet I guarantee a lot of the Cowboys coaches are watching it. Because if we think about it, and the next ten days, right man, the next eleven days and the next eleven days, you're both teams. You've got both these teams because you got so I mean, you're studying. It's good opportunities to look at both of these teams, and I think I think

the Raiders game is going to be tough. I honestly, if the Cowboys can get two and one out of these next three, that will be huge for them because I mean, these next three games are gonna be tough, Chiefs, Raiders, and then Saints on the road. And say what you want to say about those teams and how they're performing this year, they still are going to be tough. And I think before the season we all circled this three game stretch it's in. This might be the mediest part

of their schedule, and I think it still is. Regardless what you think of their records right now, I would which first of all, I think they have the potential to win all three of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would. Even one and two is fine as long as the win is New Orleans. Again, the AFC NFC thing, I mean, you would prefer that not to happen, but you can

serve so what you would be eight and four and four? Yeah, and you did the thing about is both both NFC team eaton NFC East teams that played yesterday One you didn't expect them, either of them to win, but they both won, so they're kind of hanging around there. Somebody on Twitter said to me, like, go, like, I don't even know, Like, congratulations Cowboys. You beat a five hundred team.

You know. Great. I'm like, well, that's good because that's about all that's left on the schedule, right, that's the That's what the NFL is. I mean, the teams you've got on the schedule, including the Chiefs. What are they? They're six and four? Now, yeah, so I mean Raiders are right there above, and the Saints are a little bit above, and you know, Arizona is good, but I mean some of these other ones are down even lower

than that. So that that's what the NFL is. So cool, I mean, if you you know, and that's such a dumb argument too. You beat a team no, no, no, no, you annihilated a team like that. You annihilated a the seventh seed in the playoffs. You annihilated them by forty points because you were pissed off. Can't stress enough how rare that is forty points or you know, it works, It always goes this way. The Carolina game is a

perfect example. You go up big, you pull your guys, you kind of take your foot off the gas, and the final scores eight points because they pay their guys too, and they're gonna keep trying. And then you're questioning whether

dig should have come out, Like that's the NFL. It is not normal to go up forty and stay up forty, like even when the starters come out, you're still in the third quarter, right right, This was one of those you saying bolts like killing everybody in running and all of a sudden the end, he's kind of like waving already and blowing kisses and all that, you know, like the last yeah, yeah, the last two or three. Right, It's like that's that's what that was. I mean, that

was forty points off the gas for the final. We didn't even talking about the defensive line, No they did, We didn't. We haven't said the name, like I on what was it Friday when we were talking about the game and all that, Like, I personally thought that this defense wouldn't be able to piece it all together without Randy Gregory in the lineup. So I really thought that him missing that game was going to affect the defense overall in all three levels. So and they didn't, and

a guy like Dorian's Armstrong surprised me. He did an extent been of a surprise, right, I mean, this is kind of oh, this is kind of who this guy has been through training camp all this year, going back to training camp, he's been as solid as you want from that position, and he had another solid game. But he stepped up this game like a game, you know, sometimes it happens where you need a guy to step up and then they just don't come to play because

he's giving more. He has more on his shoulder, right, so he has more responsibility in the game and there sometimes they don't show up to that level. But he did. And then you we talked about Mica Parsons that we were trying to figure out what they we're gonna do with him, Well, he worked out pretty well. And then Mica, I mean he again was able to rush the passer and do all that while he needed to get done. So to me, I can't believe we won this long

we talked about every time. I can't believe we got fifty minutes in before we said the name Dorian's Armstrong and that's not okay, which bringing us back to football, yeah, and Cowboys. Hey, when we go got college football, Amber's gonna be like, I'm out on this conversation. It's I like my Saturdays. I'm not gonna I can't go there with you just be I say it all the time. I don't care what you do in training camp. I've been burned too many times by that. And it's not

it's not all Doran's his fault. He twisted his ankle, he was out for a while. McCarthy said yesterday he was kind of he felt like he was knocking the rust off against Denver last week. But this is still I think he had two and a half career sacks coming into this game, so he gets twenty thirty percent of his career total just by getting one and then adding a pump block to it. That's what we've always known. He's a special team's beast and to show up that

way and create a touchdown. Can't get over that stat you know, I'm a stat nerd of course, I just can't get over the fact that the last player that did that in the NFL blocked a punt and sacked I got a sack in the same game was Terrell Basham for the Jets, so the guy on the left side of the line. Then the last defensive end to do it was Robert Quinn, who also played for the Cowboys.

To it just shows a sense of versatility that to do that and you don't see guys that are that are you know, the best pass rusher on the team for that game also, but he's staying on special teams. I mean, I'm sure Bones was like, no, we still need you yeah on there, and Derek, you and I actually both called that, And then that's rare because we were always thinking like, well, probably don't want to rush the punt here, but the score was out of hand.

Literally right before happen, We're both like, yeah, yeah, go for it. I would go for the block, and You're like yeah, you know, like you're probably only gonna get a five yard and You're like, I don't care if you get fifteen, go rush it now the black part touch down. I had a moment last night where I realized that I'm already taking Micah Parsons for granted, because we huddle after every game and kind of talk about what needs to be written about what the major storylines were. Yeah,

basically I was halftime I was like, y'a so. I think Nick was like yeah so, and then Mica obviously, And in my head I'm like, really, like, Mica, you do that much. This is just in my head. I go home and start watching you know, highlights and press conference clippings. I'm like, oh, yeah, he had another sack and another tackle for loss, and kind oh yeah, I mean, it was an absolutely phenomenal play. He's got what six on the season. Now, just get him on the field.

I'm tired of arguing about what to do with them and all that. I just think, you know, and I'll say this people that still want to say that, this isn't the year for it. This isn't the year. He's a linebacker. You hope to get these two defensive ends back, and you're gonna be great now next year. If you want to make him a rusher, that's fine. He won't be a pass rusher with Gregory Andy Law. I mean,

because someone's gonna have to give there. I could see if they want to make that move, but I think for right now, where this team is, I think he's better as a linebacker. And then rush him all over the place, you don't sure where he's gonna line up at times. It's funny. I thought about this this morning too. When you're good, you're going to be in line for a lot of awards, right, Like DA's in the MVP race.

We have no idea if he'll win it. We won't know that for a long time come back Player of the Year, come sure, Absolutely, Treyvon Diggs, he's gonna be in the chase for Defensive Player of the Year. But Miles Garrett's having a hell of a season. Like they're all these variables. I'm telling you right now, Mike is gonna win Defensive Rookie of the Year. I don't have a question. I can't imagine a scenario where he doesn't unless he gets hurt, which knock on wood, Like it's

not even close. Like Patrick Surtan's having a nice season, but he doesn't have the stats that I mean talking about a guy that plays linebacker that's got six and a half sacks, right, that's is that the number six at six six six oh No, six six sacks, six sacks at the halfway point of the season, to go with like twelve tackles for loss, and he's gonna finish with north of one hundred tackles, like, just send it to him, got to be historic. Send it to him now.

And there's no competence. More than anything, it's just the fact that he has the ability to do all of that stuff as a rookie. They're putting all this on this plate to be able to learn this. And that's why running backs typically do a pretty good job as rookies because they come in and they know what they gotta do. They run the ball, corners, same thing, cover

your guy, but linebacker to do all these things. Ever since they took the Green Dot off, he has been even better, Like he has at the Green Dot yesterday. Because I noticed Jeffer Curs only had seventy well I don't he only had like seventy seventy percent of the plays. It made me think that somebody else may have had. Curse made a great play, by the way, because not only did earlier in the game, not only did he knock the guy the ball away, but he was the

only one that knew it. Like he turned around and he was like challenging challenges, that awesome challenge, and he I think he saw it hit the ground, yeah, or heard it maybe even maybe How do you miss that. All these refs out there, don't get me started. That's a lot of eyeballs. And I didn't see that it is I saw it from the press. Can we just mentioned Jordan Lewis's name. I was actually would let me get to him. This is what we get for doing

twelve minutes on college football. That's true. Sorry, talk about Jordan Lewis man yesterday he had I thought early in the game it seemed like they that was their wal though they were going after him. They wanted to challenge him. They thought he was the weak link, and he was play after play, making plays on the ball and making

sure they weren't completing passes. Probably from the time I saw the scene in All or Nothing four years ago when Jordan Lewis as a rookie just took it to Deaz at practice just basically got in a fight with him, like had called the whole team out and went one on one. I was like, I of this guy. I like everything about him. I like the tenacity, the swagger. He's not a Pro Bowl cornerback, he's five ten. That

doesn't doesn't matter. I mean he he got a break up on Kyle Pitts yesterday, and that is about as much of a mismatch in terms of size as you can find in the NFL. A pro maybe five nine cornerback. They skying up on a mutant, a six six freak of an athlete, and he's just uh he he, I'm sorry, I'm rambling. He just everything about the way Jordan Lewis approaches the game. I love. He's the swagger, the nacity, the can do attitude. Love it. The best thing that

Travis Kelsey does. They're not the best thing, but one of the best things for him is Tyreek Hill, you know, because you can't just put the best corner back on Kelsey Atlanta. I'm telling you now, they got to get Riddley back. Hopefully he's he'll be fine, and that that's a you know, big story for him. Hopefully he gets back,

you know, for him for his sake. But also they need another playmaking receiver because if they don't, then you will just continue to put corners on Kyle Pitts and the Tree be a big old receiver that he probably won't be special until unless he's a tight end. You gotta give him some help so he can create more mismatches because as it stands right now, you're just not as worried about the other guys, but that you're right,

You're totally right. But that's what's so amazing is like Trayvon digs On Kyle Pitts is at least a fair fight. You know, Trayvon's a big, long guy. He can go up and get the football. Jordan Lewis has just giving up so much side height and weight to that player and to be able to defend him anyway incredibly impressive. The ball wasn't high enough. Thing it needs to be, you know, fair. I mean, I mean rebounds, big guys get it, loose balls on the ground, little guys get

it so that that that ball's got to be up higher. Yeah, but that Ryan definitely didn't have his best day, and it goes back to he goes we were talking about

on Friday. You know, maybe there was some thing too how Quinn knows him and knows him really well that he created situations that maybe he knows he doesn't doesn't choose to be in buss you that he doesn't choose to be in and he doesn't play his best in So all around, I just think it was a really really well coached game and a really really well played

game for the Cowboys. This isn't it's not important toward like the success of the team or any of that, But just on a personal I'm so happy that Jordan and Anthony Brown both are getting picks, basically because so much goes into cornerback play that you never get credit for. People really only want to look at your picks or what you're giving up. That's It was so amazing when Byron Jones was named All Pro with like one interception in twenty or zero. I'm sorry, yeah, that's that's incredible.

It doesn't happen because the position is judged by picks. So both of those guys get like they're not going to get named to the Pro Bowl. But they're having really solid seasons and are They are contributing to the success of this defense in a real way, and it's nice for it to pay off for them. With the stat line that makes people notice, Like we notice because we are paid to watch every down. But now you look at it, you're like, damn, Anthony Brown's got three picks,

that's a career high. Jordan Lewis has two picks. That's yeah, he only had five or four on his career coming into the year, So I mean, so it's just nice to see them getting rewarded for hard work that would otherwise be going unnoticed. All Right, we appreciate you guys us. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll start talking Cowboys versus Kansas City. As I say, we'll have Dea wall On joining us tomorrow, talk a little bit about those chiefs to then for

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