Cowboys Break: Making The Right Changes?

Season thirteen, Episode one hundred. Welcome to another edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. I'm very happy to have a larger version of David Hellman in studio with us. Thank you. Back to the old days. We got Brian back with us today. Is it really the hundredth episode? It is our hundred of this season, the season of the season. I just watched my hundredth player already of the college just today,

thrown't you? I'm trying? Is that faster than normal? Yeah, when you get bounced from the playoffs earlier, I can start a little earlier. Yeah, when'd you start? Like December December fifth? December fifth, and then once you know, we started doing stuff at night and then and then We've had two of the draft shows on. Thank you for doing that, by the way, and Brugler and I sit there and blow through some guys too. I mean, I'm down to guys now. I'm thinking like third fourth round guys.

So this Delta State or somebody the other day there, I mean there's a Delta state. Yeah, watch the little Delta State. It's a Mississippi. It makes sense, Delta yeah, and the Delta makes sense. Yeah. So you're doing on average, you do what two and a half players a day? No more than that. I mean I could with the way the Cowboys have it set up with their skyting department, which is one of the great things, and thank you

Jones family for allowing me to do this. But the the they have a player's cut up, so like they all have twelve games. Like I'll watch a receiver and they'll have the all twelve games, all the balls thrown to a guy. So you just go bang bang bang on this player. Yeah, you can watch twelve You can watch a guy get a hundred balls thrown to him and then write a scouting report on that. That's different

than it used to be back in the day. I'm sure when you have to watch a full game just to get But you know, when we're back in Green Bay, we we did that, I mean back in the day guy. But we used to Ron Wolfe, who's a Hall of Fame journal manager. He would he would have us cut up the tape. He was not going to sit there and watch like a whole you know, he was. Everything was cut up. So that's we used to it back in the early nineties. That's what we used to about Rome.

When I was born, Yeah, my wallet did. Okay, when was everybody born? Nick? I know you're an old six Okay, you're old seventy two, seventy two, and you're okay, my wallet is older than you, my wallet pocket, and I'll do this for everybody's now here's a better game, all right here? Nineteen eighty six. I've had this wallet nineteen eighty six. Wow, I know it was when I was at LSU. So, yeah, my wallet is older than you. So questions like this is a better deal, Nick, What

were you doing in nineteen ninety two? Uh, ninety two, I was a junior in high school watching the Cowboys? Brian, what were you doing in nine to my twenty seventh birthday? I started with the Packers December twelfth, nineteen ninety one. So I was working with the Green Bay Packers at the time. Yeah. Nice, you're being born, Yeah, you're being born the end of night. Yeah around. Yeah, that's that's one of the things about working at this place. You

get the great disparity of ages. So didn't that the fun part that it is the fun part, because yeah, I learned a lot of different things that I would never know speaking on Snapchat, right, I don't need to be on Snapchat. No Snapchat. Dave's out today, Dave's got some he's having some personal time and getting to commune with himself and learn more about himself with the Wolves. Yeah, he'll have some stories for us by the time he's setting of the camp fire by himself, right. Yeah. So

so he will not be joining us today. And actually next week you guys will all be I know, for Brian, Nick, Dave, you guys will all be in um at the Senior Bowl Alabama and uh and so we'll have three shows from there next week from the Draft show. We won't have a Cowboys break, but we'll have the Draft show there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Correct, Yeah, absolutely, and the rosters.

The Senior Bowl come out tomorrow, so you've got Houston and the Denver Broncos or coaching them up, and yeah, full coverage a lot of you know, Nick and Dave will be hovering around the Jones clan and I will be watching some players, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of great content reports from practice every day on their end of it, and then I'll be writing scouting reports about players that played well kind of at twelve points, hey, North practice, South practice, who look good and kind of

get everybody ready for that awesome, So you gotta stay tuned for that. There'll be a lot of really great coverage next week from Senior Bowl, as we do every year. So let's talk a little bit about some of these coaching changes that are going on with the Cowboys. It seems and I'll start big picture and then we'll whittle down.

But it seems to me, at least from what I heard from conversations that have had that have happened where you had interviews and Stephen and Jerry talking to different media members, it seems like the idea was a one to keep continuity. That was the reason why they wanted to stick with their head coach. They want to stick with the coordinators. But when you start looking at all the position coaches that are presumed to be leaving, like

right now, there's a lot that hasn't been determined. There hasn't been an official word on a lot of these guys, although we've heard reports that a lot of them are leaving. Based on the reports we've heard, here are the guys you're going to possibly lose offensive line, wide receiver, tight end, quarterback, linebacker, secondary, special teams. That's pretty much most of your position coaches that would presumably be gone, which to me doesn't necessarily

equate to keeping stability. Even if you keep the head coaching, the coordinators, the guys that are in direct contact with the players every single day, coaching them on every single nuance of what they're doing, all those guys seem to be leaving. Talk to me about the continuity. Is this

a situation where really cowboys weren't in control. These guys have expiring contacts and go wherever they want to go, Or do you think there's a situation where cowboys just kind of miscalculated a little bit on how what they need to do to keep these well I disagree with you a little bit there. I think that there they are having continuity with their head coach and the coordinators, but it's a nine to seven team that missed the playoffs.

You got to tweak some things. You're talking about positions like offensive line. They haven't been as good in the last couple of years as they were two or three years ago. Same with receiver trending down, So change the voice in the room a little bit without changing the overall scope of things. I think it was a pretty good idea. I don't think receivers were getting better at all. I think they're getting worse. I don't know if it's all on Duly, but maybe they just need a different voice.

So same with Pollocksacia. I think that was just he just wanted to go to the Raiders and maybe with more stability and a coach that he's been with. So different reasons there. But I still I don't think that they're changing. I still think they have continuity, but I also think that they're they're changing some of the voices. Yeah, you guys just I don't know. Y'all just looked at me at the same time. I know it was my turn. Sorry,

she's not. No. I was actually thinking because one of the things I always think about when it comes to a boss, which I see, you know, Jason Garrett and the coordinators as everybody else's boss. So one of the things that I was thinking is, you know, usually if an employer an employee is doing bad, it could be the employee or maybe you just haven't made the right changes or done the right thing to help your employee

out to be successful. So while Nick was talking about that, you know, I've always thought, well, it just we need changes from above, like higher than those kinds of courting, um that those kinds of coaches. But at the same time, it's like, Okay, now I'm trying to think of it

another way. Could it be that Okay, maybe it was just not the right coaches, But then you look at every position and it's like, okay, they have been successful aside from the wide receivers that you know, duly, but other than that, I mean, you talk about the old line, Yeah, they've done pretty well. Bisaca done a good job. So are those really the kinds of changes that we should be seeing or wanting to see? You know, I know you have a different opinion. Brian on this whole thing.

But I just, you know, I just keep thinking, and I wrote this whole column really long. I got very passionate yesterday. But it's all in Spanish, no, but it was it was basically saying, you know, it doesn't matter, honestly, these kinds of changes to me, it doesn't It doesn't matter what happens in free agency because they don't do much.

So it's all gonna come down to the draft. Those that's my only hope, the new players that they bring in, Because as long as the coaches don't change their mentality of things and stop doing the same thing and kind of you know, keep progressing with the rest of the other teams, you know, being able to accept changes and being able to have a open mentality and not stinking to what there used to do year after year. I don't think we're going to see much different here. That's

all said, you know. I you know, I think the thing that you you look at with this staff and they did they kept the continuity with the coach. I think that's important to Jerry Jones. I don't think he wanted there was a time there, even when I was here,

that we were changing coaches. You know we were it was it was the Chan Gailey I came in and then oh, Chan Gailey goes back to back playoffs and it's so Dave Campo and then we failed with the Campo administration and then you bring in you know, Bill Parcels, and Parcels is wanting to you know, I don't want to coach. I want to coach, and Jerry got tired of that, got rid of him. I think that you look at this team, and you're absolutely right. You look

at the draft and the way things are. I think that the roster is a better roster because of the continuity, you know, and but I think there's some things that, yeah, you absolutely need some change. You're going to get some change with Lenahan and and you know, if Marinelli as being that, you know, the guys that the offensive defensive coordinate probably not there. But what you've got to hope for then is the outside. When we get to the

Senior Bowl. Hopefully they do interview guys. Paul Alexander is a guy they've talked about as a possible offensive line coach. You know, when we haven't heard anything officially, but maybe it's a different idea. Maybe it's a different philosophy. Whoever they bring in receivers. Coach Nick's right, Maybe that guy in the room, you know, gets to dez Bran or gets to Terrence Williams, or gets to Cole Beasley and says, listen, guys, when we were at wherever we were, this is the

way we used to escape our routes. This is the way we used to do things. This is the way. I think that that is what your hope is right there. Yeah, draft some more players, more talent, more blood. Totally agree there, But I hope that they do continue to try and bring in guys, even if veteran guys. I didn't want them just to keep promoting guys within. I didn't want Kyle Valeria and nothing against Kyle Valero or nothing against

Mark Colombo or nothing against Miles Austin. But I think there's a time and place for one or two of those guys. I don't think the whole staff needs to be that way, because then, to me, that doesn't signify change. That signifies I'm gonna run this room, and I'm gonna run it the way I want, and nobody's gonna question me. I want somebody to come in and question Rod Marinelli. I want somebody to come in and question Scott Linahan because let's be honest, you know, and I made a

little bit of joke about this. You know, the yeties and the hoodies and all that will say last chance. It's not going to say recommit or fight or win or seventeen inches. It's gonna say last chance because if they don't find ways to win, then the owner will step in and say, Okay, I've I've been very patient here this. Yeah, I've been very and you know fan

she used to be very critical. I'm sorry I'm going on this rand here, but this, but the fans used to be very critical of Jerry Jones not being very patient, you know, of not being you know, you know, why are you jumping around? Why are you making all these And now all of a sudden he is, and now they're tired of him being patient. You know. But guess because a lot of you see what's going on in Philadelphia, seventy nine team turns it around there and then NFC

Championship game that gets everybody's attention. You see what's going on in Jacksonville right now, you know, bad team all of a sudden flips it around. Why you know, why are we not? I mean, we've had some good years, but why are we not in this? I think that she's I think she's onto something though, I really really do. Well, you've seen changes in the players in that I mean your change of quarterback, running back. You've seen changes there. Now what are the other changes that need to happen

in order to do that? Because you've seen Dez be successful, You've seen Cole Beasley, You've seen why these wide receivers be successful. So you're hammering that wide receiver point. I'm just saying, like we've seen them have success. Now how much does the their coach has to do with it versus the actual coordinator. That's where it comes down to. But you know the other part to that, and it

kind of rides along with that. But at a little different point that you know, I think this year you probably you can look at a lot of the secondary is a good example, in my opinion. You look at guys like car and Church and Clayborne, who I think and I didn't watch all their games, but just looking at the highlights and seeing some of the numbers, it seems as though each of those guys was better this

year than they were with the Cowboys. And that's the kind of thing that makes me start to wonder, is it what they're being asked to do here that makes us think they're not great players and we're not really taking advantage of their talent in the way that maybe

they go somewhere else. And it makes me wonder. With these receivers that we talk so much about and we say they're not doing the right things, I wonder if you put them in another scheme where And you do have to kind of put a filter on it when a player that's no longer going to be on the

team starts talking. But when Bryce Butler was talking about kind of some of those things he was talking about with the receivers and saying, hey, they kind of pigeonhole you and put you into this is what you do, then it does make it harder when a defensive back knows you're gonna run two or three routes versus the whole route tree. That kind of change is how they defend you. And I wonder, I wonder if to some degree coaching is hampering some of the players well being

their best. If you take the flip side of that, though, what do we all think about? I know, on our shows and on some of the periscope stuff that you and I were doing, we always talked about how positive we were about the young defensive backs. Well, what happened to Joe Baker. Joe Baker's contract wasn't renewed, right, So everything that we thought about, WHOA these young defensive backs. I'm sure that was a shock to Joe Baker because all of a sudden, the decision is make. I'm getting

rid of Car, I'm getting rid of Buried Church. I'm sure there were some guys when when Joe Baker filed this into the season scouting reports after thirteen and three that he was like, gotta have Church, Gotta have Car. Gotta no, Joe, we're not going to do that. We're gonna give you. We're gonna give you some rookies and you coach them up, and if you don't coach him up well enough, we'll get rid of you. WHOA Joe Baker?

You coach him up well enough? Awesome progress. Maybe the fact that the rookies didn't play the whole season the injury might have cost Joe Baker's job because obviously they're they're looking at his spot right now and saying, Okay, who's the guy who's going to coach these young guys. And that's uh, that's something that's very very difficult because all of a sudden you're asked to make changes. The

changes look positive, but then you lose your job. You know. Also, you're watching, like, are we Sarah, Barry Arrets had a better year than than he did? No, No, and and I think we just watched the games and we're like, oh, well they're still playing, so maybe, you know, I don't know, I don't know if Barry he probably had a better He probably had a better season because of who he was playing with. Two. Yeah, when you're playing with a talent around there, you make one or two plays a game,

you're doing great. The discussion we had one time was about was was Barry Church? If you could have one guy back, Barry Church would have been my guy because when all that was happening with with Lee was out of the lineup, hitcheons. Without the lineup, they're struggling with playing the mic backer. Who was the one guy that could have been the glue to hold everything together? Who would have been the accountability guy you know that would

have been the guy. Barry Church was a guy that would have likely stepped in there and said, hey, listen, let's get our heads out of our butts and start playing some defense here and tactically a much more sure a tackler than anybody else they got left. Absolutely, he could have made up, I believe, for some of the problems that you had in those three games when things

weren't as good as they were defensively. Do you think that there's some challenges now that the Cowboys could have in trying to replace a lot of these position coaches because you mentioned that Brian with the Last Chance. Yeah, yeah, I mean last year. If there is an understanding or if there's a perception out there around the coaching fraternity, yeah that Hey, Garrett's in a situation where if they don't if they don't play well this year, maybe he's out.

Then Maybe some of your good coaches like I don't know if I necessarily want to go to Dallas, because yeah, I could be right back into looking for a new job next year if things don't go the way that we want him to go. Right. He's talking to coaches that obviously are out of jobs. They that's got to work no matter the whole idea in the NFL to survive. And it's just on the scouting side too. Stay in

the show. Make sure you're in the show, because the minute you're not, you're watching the show from the audience. They forget that you're part of the show. So coaches will do anything, especially ones that are out of gigs. They will say, hey, if it even if it's for one year. This is basically like a big game of musical chicks. It is. You don't try to be the

guy standing up when the music start. You're trying to get your lake house paid for it, Lake Travis, you know, it's what you're trying to do in Austin for you guys exactly in Austin. Yeah, you're trying to get the lake house down to Horseshoe Bay, another Austin place. You're trying to get your lakehouse paid for. Rich Besacci did that. Rich Besacci figured out, you know what he goes. You know, I've kind of kind of see where this thing's going

a little bit. Oh, last Chance Hoodie's not you know, I don't like that hoodie, you know, and so last Chance Hoodie he doesn't want to wear last Chance hoodie. He could go somewhere where he gets two years in California with a guy who knows him and his guy.

It's a ten year conscient exactly as long as John who get two years, and who'll get two years in Oakland, and who'll get two years in Vegas And then by that time Rich Bassachia can go back down with Monti Kiffin and all those guys pay and be a part of the Florida community. Yeah. You know, that's the only

what coaches are trying to do. They're trying to get their lakehouse paid for, you know, and then they get to a point in time and they're like, Okay, got the lake house paid for it, and hey, I'm gonna do a little TV. You know. You're always trying to stay ahead of getting fired. Yeah, and that's the thing, like you just can't be no one standing when the music, so you can't. You can't. And again, great example is

Joe Baker. Joe Baker, really he was the guy that had they said, Joe, we're gonna give you a bunch of young guys, go coach them, and they determined that, you know, hey, we'll move on from there. All right, let's let's take our first break. When we come back, I do want to talk a little bit more about these coaches, particularly the linebacker coach, Matt Eberflus, and the reports that we're hearing that he should he would be leaving.

And I want to talk about it from the standpoint of keeping Marinelli, because Eberflus is a guy that for years has been rumored as a DC type coach, guy that should get that opportunity, and the Cowboys making a decision stick with their guy and Marinelli ultimately not creating an opportunity for Ebraflus, and then he has to go somewhere else for that opportunity. I want to talk about that and get your opinion doing come back. This is

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We'll see if you're listening. He's not listening, but he may listen later sometime. Jim. Yeah, I hope he has his phone on to find him. Yeah, so we can so we can find him. Yeah, he's wandering around in the desert somewhere. I hope he's got water. I told him, I say, that's a bad idea, man, No, I thought it was a great idea. Just city kid, he's a great idea. Can get away from everything and just kind of have right go to a spa to listen to your own thoughts for a second and just kind of,

you know, get away from everything. So he talks to himself a lot. Anyway, he does so he doesn't need to go across the Probably probably a good thing, all right. So let's let's talk a little bit more about these position coaches. I particularly wanted to talk about the linebacker coach, Matt Ebraflus. There are reports that began with a post by his wife on I guess Facebook that essentially kind of made it clear that that the Colts were where

they were going. Yeah, that's been since taken down from earlier this morning. I'm sure husband probably is like, man, let's let's not do honey. That's not officially yet, let's not But anyway, it's been taken down. But but that's what kind of alerted everybody to the possibility that he'd

be going with Josh McDaniels. Josh mcgaiels hasn't even been named the head coach, but there is the suspicion that he's going to be named the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts, and that Ebraflus will then move with him right and become the defensive coordinator. Here's my issue with that. Everything I've heard, and again it's hard to say with coaches because it's not like players where you actually watch

them play every Sunday. But from everything I've heard of people who know coaches and know what coaches do, I've heard the narrative of that Eberflus is a really great coach and as a young, good defensive mind that will

be a really good defensive coordinator at some point. I wonder, and I don't know that this will be fact or not, but I wonder if this is a situation that will at some point be similar to a Sean Payton where you have a young coach that you think might be really good at the next level of coaching, whether that's as a coordinator, as a head coach, you don't have an opportunity for them at the moment, or you're not willing to make an opportunity for them by getting rid

of someone, and as a result, they end up going somewhere else and someone else gets the benefit of their brilliance. I do wonder if in keeping Marinelli, are you somehow maybe short changing yourself on being able to realize defensive brilliance in Matt Eberflus as your defensive coordinator. What do you guys think? Well, just like all these coaches, time

will tell on that, you know. I mean I remember looking at the two thousand and five staff that had eight potential future head coaches that were on that staff that went nine and seven. Um, some of them, Oh wow, how could you let those guys go? Others that you're like, well, that's fine. So the only time will tell. With with um ebra Flus, I do I know, I know your point.

Your point is you've got an older older he's old, I mean Marinelli, and he's got the lake house already paid right, so do you he's working with Gray right now, he's just walking on the beach, he's playing the seventeenth hole. I think there's I think there's more to it than

than we know. I mean, there's gotta be there's got to maybe maybe this young great coach isn't viewed that way anymore apparently, I mean, because why why or there's just so much belief in Marinelli that you like, we just can't get rid of him because we believe in him. Like that could be a too Well, we talked about these other coaches, you know, the receivers, were they trending down? Oh? Line? What would you? What are the linebackers? I don't know.

Are the linebackers getting better? I think the issues with the line backers have nothing to do with play. I think it has to do with injury. And because of injury. I mean, you can throw out a guy like Damon Wilson. But but the fact of the matter is, sounds like Chas Greene got a guy fired. Yeah, so, and he did some good things. Third round pick didn't get developed? Yeah yeah, I don't know. But did Hitchens get developed? So he's a better player now than he was, right,

I know, Aberflus was part of bringing Hitchens in. Yeah, he was a guy that went to Iowa City and did the work out, and he's a better player. I think he's a better players. I mean I'm throwing out point no, yes, Hitchens is better Wilson hasn't really developed Shawn Lee. That's not Ebrak Sacha left. I mean he was never He was a guy that was drafted, ends up at San Francisco and their practice squad, I mean, well on your practice squad and ends up somewhere else.

Not really Aberflus's fault again, injuries that didn't get him on the field. Shaun Lee could be of four time, five time All Pro if he stayed healthy. And I don't think that's on him, And why should even say that on him? That's all, It's just his body happens. Things happen, right. How much real talk is there to the possibility of Marion Ellie being out. I don't think

there's much. I think they believe in Marinelli personally. We let me ask you this though, are you talking about the some of the rumors that we are hearing that again, it's rumors that they offered Eberflus the opportunity to stay with Marinelli getting the assistant head coach title, so Eberflus would be the DC. See. Yeah, this is where this is where this is tricky, because maybe the Cowboys did do with their due diligence there and maybe Mattiberflus. It's

it's it's let me tell you. This is common knowledge around the league that Mattieberfluss denied the opportunity to talk to San Francisco forty nine ers. Mattieberflus probably coached this year thinking, you know what my contracts up. I'm you know, they gave him the title of passing game coordinator something like that to kind of make it look nice. It's kind of those titles make everything look good, and everybody's oh, but you know, really, what is it now? I know

one thing you can watch. We've all watched practices, you know, and it's training it. Marinelli leaned on Ebraflus, the guy sending into defenses, the guy, you know, the guy during practice. He was the one guy that was constantly, you know, coaching, yelling. You can hear. I mean one into the field is Marinelli and leon Let going with the defense line. And here's you know, Joe Baker and those guys are kind of quiet in the middle, and then all of a sudden,

you got Ebraflus is yelling at all these guys. So you know, you're kind of got that appearance. But this might be a decision that was not in the Cowboys hands. This might be one of those that you know what I'm moving on, and you think maybe it was based upon the fact that he wasn't allowed to interview last year and so he basically if we're playing charade, I'm just in my nose right now. Yeah, you got it.

I know this about Eberflus. He's got a great eye because he was the first guy down on the field in Oakland that said that ball was a touchback. Yeah, you remember him running down that. He's got an eye for these for these linebackers, got an eye for things. I'm not saying he's not going to be a really good coach, but maybe there is something. There's more two of that. Yeah, oh it's definitely done. Yeah, as is

I mean, we're dragging our feet for a reason here. Yeah, this this you know he should have you know, I feel like though that the Cowboys wanted to give him

an opportunity. Now does he want to It's this is a two way street in coaching, right because he's you know, if David said, okay, you could be the DC, if he really wanted the DC job, he could have said I'm in let's go and then Marinelli to make the transition, and you know, we're still don't hear anything officially, but we see him in the lunch room and you know all that kind of stuff. Does it ever work when you you kind of tell a coach that you're going to be the guy in waiting? You see it in

college sometimes. I believe it happened with I believe it happened with with the Beisaccia. I guarantee you though he knew John Green was going to get that Oakland job, Yeah, he knew. And then he's kind of thinking, well, you know, because again there's things that you hear, you know that we're going on behind the scenes, and then all of a sudden, it's like the front office just goes bye. You know, Hey, I'm thinking about going to Oakland. Bye. You know. So I think there's I think, thank you.

I think it's a two way street here, I really really do. I think with Eberflus, you know, maybe at the end of the day, with Nick's list of guys that you know, the Sean Payton's of the world and guys like that, they're the coaches that you know, go on, maybe this wasn't the cowboys, you know, maybe they're gonna lose him that last year. Yeah, maybe they would a lot, and then it would have been one of those things where you could have said, boy, they lost a really

good coach. I think they I think they're gonna lose a good coach. I really really do. But I think it's a lot of it your decision, you know, it's you do the best that you can and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, and you move on. They give me some of those names you mentioned, some of those guys that that had moved on. Here's here. Let's just look at this list of guys that are officially moving on from the staff. Guidence coach Steve Loani's retiring,

but Besatias and the Raiders. Frank Pollocks now with the Bengals. Derek Dooley's the offensive coordinator Missouri. Joe Baker's contract is expiring and he will not be retained. The Cowboys have officially said that. Same with Wade Wilson. There's thoughts that he might be retiring, but he's been there for fourteen years. He's not coming back. Now. Up in the air, Greg Jackson, Gary Brown, and then of course Ebra flews up in

the air. And then you've got guys like Kyle Valero, Colombo and O'Quinn Keith ol quinn, whose coach above them has left their assistant yea below the special team's wide receiver and old line. And so Paul Alexander has not been official. It sounds like he I mean, it looks like it sounds like, yeah, he's getting I was hearing some positive things about Gary Brown as well, and I think that's a good thing with Gary. I want to keep the continuity running back. See that's the thing about

it with Gary Brown. I like with Gary Brown, he seems like the one guy that's able to handle the runner, the runner kind of you know, he's the one guy not afraid to get in the runner's face. And I think the runner being Ezekiel. I'm sorry, I just use my terms. The runner. Yeah, the runner right here. I think that he has an idea, he has He's a good in the room. You talked about it earlier, Derek Position. Coaches tend to be the guy that they don't want

to go talk to Scotland Ahan or Jason Garrett. They will walk into Gary Brown's office, close the door and say, hey, man, what really? Yeah, this is dropping me crazy, and he's serious this this this oc here? Does he not know what the hell he's doing? I mean, I'm trying my best here, all right, several downs, cool brand, We'll get this right, trust me. You gotta help me here, you know, you work with me. Here will be That's where that's

where the assistant coaches coming. The psychologists they are. They they're your dad, they're your mom. There, you're everything that you you know, every every little problem you have. You're not gonna go to Jason Garrett. Well, it's about the process and yes, and then yes you're having you know, No, they're gonna go to some guy that they can relate to that they can on a first name basis. Hey, Annambar, I'll tell you what I'm you know what this is.

Scott's whatever he's doing is absolutely stupid. Can you watched some of these other games around the league? Yeah, can we not do any of this stuff? All right? And hey it's okay, I mean it's okay. And then they have to be the one that that has the ability to then go talk to that Oak or that dcor As should say here's what's going on. Here's some things we might need to con I've been in staff meetings before where the position coaches speak up with this position coaches, Gary,

what about your guys? Let me tell you this bout to lose the running back here. We're about to lose the star running back because he's out of his mind right now. If I have to listen to him complain another day like I'm doctor Phil, I'm gonna lose my mind, you know. So that's where the message gets conveyed. You know, that's where all the things, the transitions and his scouts

we used to sit there and evaluate. And I think that when you're talking about a guy like Gary Brown who's been in the room, who's been a player, and he can say, hey, I know what we're asking you to do because I did it like this. And that's not that you know to say some of these guys that didn't play or play at this level can can't coach.

But I do think that guys like Todd Bowles and Jerome Henderson and Greg and back on the day that have done it and played and how's weight with I think it does because they think you understand, Yeah, they understand, they exactly. That's the whole thing, you know, you, you even you when you visit with people that have the experience, they understand the trials and tribulations and the you know, the you know your coach isn't always gonna like you. The OC is not always gonna like yet, he's not

gonna play you. But you you go to the position because why am I here? Man? But I'm gonna play me? Why am I here? But I will say this, and there are exceptions to every rule. Probably not the best head coach and didn't have a great experience here, but Dave Campbell can coach defensive backs and I don't know he played in the NFL. I don't think he did, but I can tell you this, he can coach dbs and so you know, there are exceptions to it. And I know he got those guys to play for him,

so you don't have to be that way. But I think it does help in such absolutely, and I think maybe at the running back position maybe even more. I don't know any statistics around that, but it just seems you seem to be a position where exactly where egos where you have egos with running backs, the reality for a running back, a former running back to be able to say yes, what I'm asking, if you may seem impossible, it was asked of me as well. Yeah, it is

what you do as a running back. This is where Nick is absolutely right about Jerome Henderson when he was here and you have Scandrick in the room and he's chirping with JJ Wilcox, and Wilcox is beating up on our Scandrick's beating up on Moe, and Moe's feeling sorry for himself, and Henderson saying, shut the hell up, Scandricks. Sit down, Hey, get your head out of your rear over there. You're okay, you know, it's all right, You'll

be fine. See that's where you get. You get all these dynamics, the rooms, their ego rooms, defensive back room, the receiver room, huge egos, those rooms. Right, you have to all you have to be doctor Phil. You have to be able to deal with a lot of personality and its people and they get on each other, they and they and then no, that's that's you know. Sometimes like you say, you're like, I'm out of here, man,

I ain't gonna do with a bunch of clowns. Hey, real quick, I did want and before we take our final break, I want to ask you guys about Frank Pollock. You mentioned earlier they about the line and was trending down. The one thing I will challenge back on that. I want to get your opinions on this. You look at a guy like Klyale Collins who has move positions and by all accounts this year got better as a season

went along. You look at a guy like, um, I'm drawn a blank on the guard Cooper, Yeah, who this season got him got better. They played that whole left guard spot right. If wrong to start with. If you want to go back to last year, Ron Larry, Ron Larry had a really great season there. So I think

there are some things that that point too. Yeah, there's some things that point to the fact that even though the big elephant in the room is Chaz Green and the fact that he was not developed, there are those other instances where it seems like they have at some development. I agree with you. As a unit, I think that the unit this year as an offensive line was not as good as the unit last year. Maybe there are

injuries involved there, maybe there were other things involved. They were not as good as they were last year, so maybe that factors into it. But what were your overall thoughts about the offensive line play this year versus last year, and really, look, yeah Paula's career here as offensive line coach. Well, let me just say this real quick about how an offensive line can look. We all remember not Amber, of course,

but two thousand and six. We remember how bad that offensive line was for the first six games blocking for Bledsoe and Tony comes in and all of a sudden, the offensive lines great. Three guys go to the Pro Bowl. Kind of weird how that happens, Maybe the court, maybe it all kind of plays in together a little bit. But you're right, you make good points. I mean, those two guys had their best year, and I think I don't think the other three Pro bowlers. They're all Pro

bowlers too. Still, so you make good points. You know why it was the Titans coach out, you know why did it not not work? They made the playoffs. So there's got to be the stuff in the room that maybe that we don't know about, that you know, led to this. And also a mixture of you talking about

Chas Green. Honestly, there are certain players that, yeah, you think they have a certain potential, but it gets to a point where you can't reach that potential and it just comes down to the player himself and you kind of have to move on. I mean, we've seen great things from the old line, but then we saw this year and you kind of wonder, what are those things that are really happening in the you know, on the other side of the door that we don't hear about.

So who knows, I'll tell you what. And a good point again that two good points. The things that to me when a coach is under contract and gets released my experience, he had a problem with somebody else on the coaching staff, the offensive coordinator. Like we said, okay, I'm not I'm not seeing it with you right now. Again, if the guys that are contract and he gets released, there's usually something more behind the door. We really don't know.

It's not always about just the coach. My experience, my experience. I'm not trying to I'm just telling you my experience. When an offensive coordinat or another higher up coach has a problem with a guy who's under contract and gets released, well, you know, I wonder how much is him like how

much was he being limited by the offensive coordinator? Like those are the things that you could be doing your job, but then you're putting some you're giving Let's say, Derek, you're giving me some limitations to things that I can do, and yeah, you make my heart and my job very hard, but sorry, so you're giving me some limitations. And I'm here trying my best and doing all the things possible. And I'm telling you, like, this is the changes we need to do this, like can we do it? And

you're like, no, we're sticking with this. No, So then I'm gonna stay here. No, I'm gonna tell you you know what, stick with your thing, and good luck. It's who's carrying the bigger stick. Yeah, and yeah, the bigger stick will always beat up the other person. And when you're talking about sounds terrible way to say it, but

it's it's true. It's true. Whoever, whoever has the Lenahan has gone from a guy that needed to be fired to a guy that all of a sudden has this unique power or this this newfound power in that room. Now that now everybody's kind of saying, WHOA Scott, You're not going to have all your lieutenants come running in here.

We're gonna we're gonna interview some guys we're gonna interview some guys here, especially when you're talking about this being, you know, last Chance You again for for the Cowboys. I mean, get ready for the hoodie if he goes back as a laughing on the city. Yeah, last chance I told you you Eddy you ever set Last Chanced That on Netflix, that show Last Chance You, It's been its favorite show. Good, great, it is a good it's great two years of it. Juco just it's really it's

really good show. Sounds like this is season three over here for the for the Cowboys. But when that happens, when that happens, it's like, uh, yeah, this is my last chance. I'm going down swinging. I want a new old line coach. I want a new receivers coach. There you go, change it up, there you go. Well, we'll see if it all works. Let's take our final break. When we come back. I do want to talk about

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So interesting games last weekend, to say the least, fun weekend to watch football, especially if you didn't have a dog in the fight, because there were some really weird things that happened. Um, and I want to get into some of it. I will say this real quick though. We were talking about this on off the air just a few minutes ago. You have to go down that route. I mean, with all the Michael Vicks. I mean, I mean, can we just change that up? Maybe a dog in

the fight? I mean, sorry, yeah, let's change that up. Welcome to two eight change. You can't say anything I used to know? But no, Okay, so you didn't have a team you were rooting for. Is that enough for you? Okay, let's work with that. Um, but you didn't care who won. But I was thinking to myself, like, what was that. I guess that would have been Sunday night, right around

midnight or so. I was thinking. Saints right now are landing back in New Orleans and they're waking up, you know, because everybody fell asleep on the flight and they're waking up and looking around like did that really just happen to us? Like are we really out of it? And Brian, you were talking about the finality of all that. Yeah, we've experienced. We've experienced a couple of years ago and back they when you thought for a second, oh, we're gonna win this game and then just like that, not

only have you lose though, right, never like that? Huh no, no, no, yeah like that. No, the Minnesota thing was way different. That was that was some miraculous thing where you kind of like there had to be some greater power that engine. You're at that, like, how does that happen? Right? But I want to say is you have to try. You have to try to lose a game like that, and that's kind of you have to just say, oh, I'm gonna duck in and not get a PI. Oh he didn't.

He did not get a PI. Yeah he didn't. Not for him, he didn't know. But poor kid, I know, he's a great player and he's good, good, gonna be a good he was gonna be fine, he'll be fine. It's just a hard thing to do. Sat Slaus. That game in the first half turnover. Yeah they didn't play, Yeah, they didn't play their best ball in the you know. You know what's funny is like I'm sure yeah when you talk about not having any bundant to root for,

like either way, whoever won the game? Like, I guarantee you I got some of these tweets and it's always Cowboys related about you know, everything just turns back to the Cowboys. And I'm sure there was a lot of just deleades of I can't believe Jerry Jones would let Sean Payton go. Oh yeah, I can't believe Jerry Jones would let Mike Zimmer go. I mean, you know, yeah,

that's what happened. That's how it goes. But there was a general theme I think this weekend that seems to be a little bit different than what than something we've

seen before. I was convinced that eventually, when you got into the playoffs, the quarterback play would matter, and it would matter in some instances more than the defenses, because you had a lot of teams that were really good defensive teams and you had quarterbacks that you just didn't I'll speak for myself, I really didn't believe in I didn't think that they had the ability to go and win in the playoffs and and make plays they were gonna need to make in playoff games, because that happens

in playoff games. I don't care what kind of defense you got, They're gonna have to be moments where back has to make a play. I didn't think those quarterbacks would, and a lot of them did this last weekend, and their defense were able to carry them along with their quarterbacks playing, in my opinion, maybe a little bit above their heads. You saw Nick Foles play live. Yeah, I mean Nick Foles was a disaster that last game. I mean to the point where you're like, there's no way.

I mean, they're Philadelphia's defense. And it still might be the case. But if you look at Nick Foles, Doug Peterson did a really nice job of calling a game for him. You know, he knew, Okay, my defense is good enough here today. You know, that's what you talk about coaches knowing the condition of their team and knowing what they have to do in a game. He says, Okay, keep throwing the ball short. Keep throwing it short. They're not going to carry the fast option right right, Yeah,

exactly let's keep doing things. Let's keep doing things that that Nick Foles can do. You know, early in the game he was awful and you're like going, oh, no, here we go, it's gonna go. But he outplayed Matt Ryan, you know. So, I mean, that's that's where that's where that you have to look at. That's where coaching comes in a little bit, right there, get their quarterback actually

play better. When you look at the teams that advanced to this championship weekend, for all four of them, women are in the top five as far as scoring defense. It does somewhat suggests to me that defense is a good viable way even if your quarterback play is enough to speed for you to get there. You think, and I guess when you turn the question then back to the Cowboys, do you think the Cowboys are trending in

the right way defensively? You did? Like what you saw a little bit from the cornerbacks and the secondary is they were starting to mature a little bit. You hope at least that Jalen Smith is going to continue to take the next step and be a better player than he was this year. He saw a couple of flashes. You hope that DeMarcus Lawrence number one is back and number two continues to be the dominant defensive end that

he was this year. So there are some things that make you hopeful, But what are your just overall thoughts of this defense when you're competing against teams like this to have really great defenses. In my case, I feel, I mean i feel a lot more hopeful and more excited towards the future of this defense just because I've seen some improvement and just looking at the playoffs, honestly, it just upsets me because seeing those teams playing and the turnout, I just go back with the Cowboys, and

I truly believe that the Cowboys do have talent. I mean, they have plenty of resources, they have all the resources they need. They have talent, but it's just not being used the way it should be used. And I remember in the middle of the season several players actually told me this that they felt that the coaches weren't placing them in the right position, they weren't used the right way so for them to succeed. And again, it's just

upsetting to see something go to waste like that. What's going to be your biggest question going into camp next year. I mean, everybody likes to talk about the pass rush. What's going to be your question? Because you feel like maybe the pass rush is taking care of it though, don't you. Yeah, I mean, so what's going to be the big question? Safety? I've always been with the safety and honestly, I mean we've seen it. Honestly, to me, at this point, it's just I just feel like it

doesn't matter. You can have the greatest talent, but if you're not coaching him right or placing him in the right spot in position, it's not So you're more concerned about coaching than you are really the players. Yeah, well, but you also have to take in part that any most players that are out of the league, there's a

reason for it. If you go ask any player that's been out of the league, if it lasts maybe four or five years, you know, they got hurt, they didn't get you know, they didn't somebody didn't put them in the right position. That doesn't always mean that it's bad coaching. It just means you know, you're not maybe you're not

doing your job. Like for instance, like Bryce was saying that the other day, and there are some things that he said that you kind of agree with Yeah, but you know, when your best season a twenty one catches and it was with Oakland who traded you, you know, and he hasn't done better than that. It's hard for anybody like a Michael Irvin sit there and go, who is this guy? You know? And I and I really wonder whose fifth receiver has ever made it to first take? This?

Is he changing? Him challenging the receivers? If he challenged Williams, would you have felt better about his argument? Yeah? If he doesn't challenge the receiving cores, but he challenges Yeah, Terrence Williams, I'm challenging. Yeah, there's a reason, you know, but he somebody kind of did because he said, you look at the money he got paid, right, But I think overall we trying to win. Yeah, he did kind

of challenge. This is where you say, I don't disagree with you there because if he's challenging Williams spot but you know he plays X. I mean it's the same position as Deaz and I. I mean, so I'm just kind of sitting there thinking, I understand challenging Williams. I get that because I think he's a better player than

Willie too. Yeah, honestly, I think and the way I looked at it, him challenging Dez was more about the him saying, look, you got a guy that got more within one hundred targets, there were plenty opportunities when you could have gotten me more involved, right, And with the opportunities I got, I felt like I did the most with him. He averaged over twenty yards per cats. Right, So he's saying, here's the guy that got the most receptions,

and what did he do with them. You look at that, and you take some of those away, and you send him my way, we would have been a better team. That was his argument, I think, more so than just challenging Dez directly and saying I'm a better player than Dez, more just saying you spend a lot of your reason, a lot of your time going to him. See that's where Garrett loses me, because you'll say, well, you have

to spread the ball around. You really didn't. Didn't spread the ball around, you know, and right, and Dez Bryant's gonna get targets. But this is where Butler's absolutely right. When Jason Garrett stands up and somebody like Nick Eatman asked a question about well what about getting Cole Beasley? But what about getting Ryan Switzer ball? Well, you know, we'd like to get everybody involved. Well, no, you really don't. You really don't. You're throwing one guy a hundred targets.

This sperg doesn't get everyone involved. Oh, it will be stupid. Not at first and the ball to Elliott, throw the ball to Bryant, throw the ball for first downs to win, and then let's figure this thing out. But that's you know, speaking of Pittsburgh. I'm changing up a little bit. Um, is there any doubt that, I mean, Todd Gurley will make a big case for it. And but Levion Bell is not the best running back in the league. He wants to get paid that way. But I think you

saw right there. Give me Zeke all day long. Now, if I don't play fantasy football, I mean, if I play fantasy football, totally different with Levion Bell, because Levion Bell is gonna get you all these these points and all these catches, and that really aren't you know, they're kind of explain me why you say he's not the best running back, because there were times in that game when his cute style of wait, wait, wait, that doesn't work against Jacksonville, and it didn't work there, and I'm

just thinking, I watched the game, and I'm just thinking, man, I'd love to have Zeke right there. I'd love to have Zeke fourth and one, smash it right in there. And and yes, he is very productive, and most teams would love to have Leveon Bell, and he's gonna ask to be paid that way, receiver, running back, all that stuff. But I just think some of those stats are hollow, and I think fantasy football plays a part into it. And he's not the guy that I want rounding into

the goal line fourth and one. You're not throwing it over the middle to Juju Smith. You're gonna hand the ball off. Now, I get you, And I think that I don't think they're hollow because I think this is a classic case of the two styles of running backs. You know, it's it's the Barry Sanders versus Emmett Smith. Right, you got the one guy that's that's flashy and has all the moves and can get out of trouble. And yes, they're gonna take some negative plays because sometimes they're trying

to do too much. They're trying to instead of just taking it right up the gut right and getting the four yards or the three yards or even the one yard, they kind of dance around and they get you the negative two, right. But there are also those plays where dancing around may turn what would have been a negative play into a thirty yard run. Right. So I just think it's a different style. You're right, there's some things

that Zeke does infinitely better than Levion Bell. Also think there's some things that Levon Bell does that are better than what Zeke does. If I'm if I'm choosing the guy I'd rather have coming out of the backfield, I still have not seen that pass catching guy that we thought we were getting with Ezekiel Elliott here. I haven't seen him do that regularly yet. He has not been a great pass catching running back out of the back of That's not on the not on the on the

level of a Levion Bell. No, no, but Levon Bell couldn't couldn't run the ball at the middle of the way. And that's but that's my point, like there are things that each one does ye well and not so well. Her point as well. It was earlier about talking about the coaches and putting guys in position. Now, you're right, could somebody come in and say, hey, listen, man and

maybe Paul Alexander. You know the screen package we had or this this running back package we had in Cincinnati that got Mixon and those guys, Gio Bernard got those guys going well, hey what about this? Using this with Zeke and all of a sudden Scott Linehank goes, we haven't done enough. Way. You're right, that's a good way. That's a good way of doing. But when we go to the every game, we see it every game, and what do we see two hours before the game, when

we get on the field, what do we see. We see Zach Martin, Yeah, growing the ball, Travis Frederick on deep passes okay, and Frederick always gets yeah, yeah always. It doesn't always look pretty. I don't know how many guards, centers, Pro bowlers that are doing that which they actually moved, you know pretty well. You got a guy with good hands with Zeke. There's really no reason to not have

a better screen game than they do. And so I agree with you there, and I think I think Zeke, you know, you talked about guys that are six games. That's the good point. Can't dispute that. But I but but I do think that when you're talking about a flashy player like Levon Bell and that one that's a real gritty Zeke to me is a little bit of both.

Zeke to me is closer to Walter Payton than him at Smith because he is a nasty football player that's got flair, that's got athletic ability, but when it's time to duck his head and get you know, he could do it. Yeah, I would say I'd be interested to see if you if you if you ask defenders, who would you not want to play to have to tackle? I think that I think that they would sell. They would say Zeke. Well for different reasons, right the look back, right,

but it's gonna hurt. The physicality, the physicality of wearing you out game after game after or down after down after down. Currently might be the you know, or the best in the league. Yeah. To be honest, I think that the three of them are equally good. I think they all have different skill sets that make them good. So it took Sean McVay was the best thing that ever happened to Gurly. Yeah, and the end of that quarterback as well, So real quick we got about three

minutes left. We do this normally on our show on a game week, we get predictions. I want to get predictions from you guys on who's gonna win these, uh these upcoming games this week in NFL, NFC, in AFC championship games, and then who do you think is gonna win the Super Bowl. You've got Philadelphia and Minnesota matching up in Philadelphia this week, and then you have jackson

heading to New England. Let's start first with you, Brian, give me some winners for those two games, and then who you think is gonna win Super Well, it always feels like that there's gonna be a home team's gonna win, and then a visitor is gonna win. And this is gonna be and I'm gonna be over two, but I'm gonna go with Minnesota's gonna win the home The home game are actually on the road, but I'm gonna switch it up. I'm gonna say that both road teams. I'm

calling for the upset in New England. I really do. I think Jacksonville defensively and I'm interested to see how they play Grinkowski, I really am. And would you take a chance of putting Ramsey on him and saying, Okay, we're gonna take a chance with a Bouyer and Gibson, a Church and those guys. What other receiving threat, Yeah exactly, Yeah, whoever, whoever else? The guy that could beat you in New

England is Gronkowski. That's the one. I think that Jacksonville's good enough up front to keep them from running the football. So can you put pressure, get Brady's eye level down, make him look at the rush and then cover on the back end, hold the football rush straight him. That's what's gonna be. Can Bortles be good enough? That's gonna be your big question too. But yeah, give me, give me the two road teams this weekend and kind of weird football weekend. Who wins the Super Bowl? I will

go with. I'll tell you what I'll stick with, Jacksonville. I think Jacksonville. I think that's team in the NFL. Yeah, I think Jacksonville's got the I think they got they run the football, the quarterback is protected a little bit better. Minnesota's got a great defense, But I think I feel like, though, when you talk about the defense travels running games travel, Jacksonville's got a combination and Tom Coughlin in that building and Doug Morone and those guys. I feel like they've

got that kind of that toughness about him. Could be way wrong, but I said it for them about a minute there, all right, Amber, that's gonna be a good game to watch. I mean, Jacksonville and I don't know, it's hard to bet against New England. It's to the point that it's just like, Okay, yeah, that's the money winner right there. But I just think it's gonna be a good matchup. But still, I'm just gonna stick with

New England and then Minnesota probably. I think I'm surprised that the Eagles have been able to get this far with like their quarterback. Both teams should have lost. Yeah, both teams should have lost in their games. They really should have last week. But maybe I just can't put my money on the Eagles. I don't like them. So I'm just gonna go with the other team in Minnesota and super Bowl. Just to Brady a right supposed expert,

real expert. Um. You know the teams that have gotten um Tom Brady out of the playoffs, the Giants, Tom Coughlin, who um, the Ravens, you know they can get after him, and I know Jacksonville can't do. Denver has as well obviously with with those guys. But you know, I've never heard so much talk about how great a defense was. They gave up forty two points, Like I mean, they they they can be exposed as well. Now, I know they game was a kind of a shootout and they

can take a life. But this ain't the two. This ain't the Baltimore Ravens from two thousand, This ain't Tampa Bay Buccaneers from two thousand. It spreaks a good offense, yeah, I mean, and it held offload nothing the way before. I think New England will will win this game. I agree, it's hard to bet against them at home. Um and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm gonna go with with

Philadelphia to win the game. And it's weird because I don't want to see Philadelphia in there, just mainly because of them, and I love the fact that their fans will still have zero um and UM, but I don't want to see a home team in the super Bowl. And I know you think that it's not going to be that way, but I disagree. I think you're you're gonna hear a very oh at the super Bowl. I don't want to I don't want to hear this will

be this New England Philly. Yeah, this would be a test case though, if Minnesota does get in, if future for future super Bowls, what works and what doesn't go? You know, because they're gonna learn the practice at their facility if they get in. Yeah, and it's so it's just gonna be weird different. But that could also be and I was having this conversation my nephews other today, this could also be a distraction. That's what you don't

know about super Bowls not being being in your home city. Friends, families still all around. Everybody in the city is still patting you on the back every time you walk out of your door. Like that could be a bigger distraction than having to pick up your team and move to another city. Well, yeah, you still got fans around, but you don't have people that are at arms linked to

you and now have access. I get that. Yeah, I'm they take them and put them in a hotel, but still you're in the city marks and they are more accessible to all of your normal environment. That might also be like all the other hangers on and stuff like that that are now they're with you in the same city. That that could be a distraction, but that their facility, they can cut people off, you know, they could keep people away if they just kind of contain their think,

who'd you got? I'm actually this weekend, my rooting interests will be different from what I think is going to happen. Yeah, I ultimately think Philadelphia and New England get in. Yeah, I don't want either one of them in. Yeah, I want Jacksonville to win that game to the dark Side, and then I want, I actually want to see Jacksonville win the championship because I don't want to see I want to see that young team develop. I like that team, I have fun, I like watching you know who does

it want to see Jacksonville, Minnesota the NFL. But I will say this, I do think at the end of the day, once again, I think quarterback matters, and I think because of that, New England is up winning it. Sure. I think in all of these games, I think it's still gonna come down to Tom Brady is infinitely, infinitely a better quarterback than any of these other three, and I think that's gonna matter. Every thought that about Matt Ryan and Foles. Didn't we Matt Ryan's a little more

flaky than Tom Brady, But I get your point. You're right about that. I thought more about that about New Orleans. I thought that you used to pull it out right. All Right, We appreciate you guys going back in two weeks. Remember next week we'll have all these guys out covering the Senior Bill Singior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama, So make sure you check out all of their coverage. Still then for Nick even Brian brought us Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagelton.

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