Cowboys Break: Lots to Cover

We are live from the s WBC Morgan Studios at the Star and we got an hour with you guys today. We're gonna break down this Cowboys big win for a full hour, well about fifty seven. Are we doing an hour for the playoffs? Now? No, no, no, no, it's just Monday. It's just Monday. That's what we do on Mondays. We're talking about the Cowboys big win. Cowboys get the win,

their first playoff win of the postseason this year. Hopefully that continues a win and beat the Seattle Seahawks twenty four twenty two in a game that although the score was really close, I don't know that the game was as close as that. Towards the end, I kind of felt at the end like, okay, Cowboys kind of had this half control of this game. Got a little nervous there for a second, but pretty much the Cowboys played the kind of game that they need to play. Let's

go around the table. Let's get some big picture views of what your thoughts are coming out of this game. This game, Dave, let's start with you all, Oh boy, put me on the spot. Um that that, I mean, that's the blueprint right there, isn't it? Like everything that this team does well and needs to do well in order to win games. That's what they did. Um kinda kind of soured on how I don't know how bad

they were on defense at the end there. I mean, you know, to give up such an easy drive after being so dominant, I mean, if they if they play on their screws that last possession, you're talking about Seattle probably having less than two hundred and fifty yards of offense. That's amazing. M so sucks that, you know, just a just an uncharacteristic break and coverage on the Tyler Lockett play to get him down into the red zone. But other than that, the defense was dominant. They were physical.

The run game was clicking, and then Dak was Dak love him or hate him, he shows up when when it's crunch time and makes a play and he gets he gets his first playoff wins. So that's I mean, the run game, the quarterback being clutch in spite of his wortz, and the I mean, I can't say enough about the defense. Even even with this is my favorite stat, even with the seventy five yard touchdown drive at the end of the game, Seattle did not crack three hundred

yards of offense. That's crazy. Uh So there, Yeah, that's it amber well as far as the offense goes. When this game started, I was pretty excited by what I was seeing, the fact that they were getting a lot of guys involved in the game and he was working out. Obviously, the Alan Hearn's injury happened and then he kind of died down a little bit. But I thought that they did a nice job just kind of getting the running game, the passing game, allowing Dad to run a few times.

I think that worked out well. They were able to move the ball, and that hasn't necessarily been the problems for the Cowboys moving the ball is just once they get into that red zone area that it becomes a problem. But again, the defense at the beginning of the game, the way they were able to hold down the Seattle offense and Russell Wilson, to me, that was amazing. That it wasn't a great game towards the end of the game, but as far as how it started out, they did

more than enough. And that's the kind of balance you want on your team. How a defense to be able to do that? And then how long into the game did it take the Seahawks to get their first first down, like fourth possession, that's insane. First three possessions with three and out, that's awesome. Yeah, sorry, amazing, No, it's amazing. And yeah, the defense started kind of slowing down a

little bit towards the end, allowing some big plays. But overall, when you get that kind of balance from your offense as well, that's what makes the game great and that's why gets you those kinds of wins. Nick Um, I just thought the defense was amazing. Uh really throughout the game. I mean every time that that it seemed like the Cowboys were struggling on offense or put them in a bad situation, they still they they managed to get out

of it. I know that they had a short field a couple of times on long kickoff return and you know they don't score anything off of that. Uh, you know, they just never buckled. And after that interception in the past that Noah Brown, you know, here they are, there's there's Seattle's got the momentum and the Cowboys push them backwards.

Penalties you know, heard them, but still, I mean they went backwards there, and so I thought every time they were the offense was kind of struggling, the defense picked them up. It's like they've done all year long and then put them in a position and then dak and seek go and win it. But it's the defense that they did it again. Yeah, that's which I guess. That's kind of my point. I remember and not you know, Twitter,

you're and I do it too. You're you're just firing off your thoughts and moment You're not most people aren't

taking the time to really think about it. But many people were like mad about what that game looked like as it was going, you know, like, well it shouldn't have been that close, Like well, probably not, but like that's this team, Like that's that's what you should expect from this team by now that like that's the blueprint for success, and that's what all of their games are probably going to have to look like, whether the season ends on Saturday or they go all the way to

the super Bowl. Like the defense carries the load, the running game has to click for the offense to have success. They're probably they're they're not going to hit on all cylinders. They haven't really have they hit on cylind all cylinders across the board offense and defense. Once this season, there you go again, Jacksonville's Jacksonville against the team that won four or five games and quit on their coach in November. So it's probably not going to happen, is my point.

And so maybe it was. It wasn't even ugly, but you get my point. It's this is a gritty defense, first, grind it out, inconsistent team, and that's how they're going to games. And it worked pretty much perfectly on Saturday. It was funny everybody that was complaining about what that game looked like it's bad football, Like, well wait till Sunday. I mean, I see get to Sunday. And if you think that's bad, I don't think playoff football is bad.

I mean, that's what playoff football, that's what it is. I mean, it comes down to it. I mean, yeah, sorry, field goals matter and sometimes you miss them. You know, even though you hit everything in the world, you still

miss a field goal. Not only that, but if you notice what you saw in playoff football, and this is not just this year, it's many years, what you see a lot of times is that teams kind of fiel each out each other out early and the game kind of stays low scoring there early, and then teams start kind of getting going and you'll see more scoring as the game goes on third and fourth quarter, as you saw that in a few games this weekend. But I think that's the thing you have to remember. Here is

and we talked about this a lot last week. This defense that the Cowboys were playing, this was not some cupcake defense, like they got players too. And the same things you say about the Cowboys and where they have strengths, those are the same kind of strengths that they were facing in that Seattle defense. They got linebackers, they can run side to side, and Nick I remember us talking during the game like you're not gonna run wide on them.

Very often because those linebackers can get there, They're not gonna give you much there. They got a secondary that does what it needs to do when they got some studs up there in the front. So I mean that defense is a formidable defense. So I don't I don't know if I necessarily was thinking cowboys are squandering opportunitiess much as I was thinking right now, this is a defensive struggle and the Cowboys are gonna have to figure out ways to manufacture points one percent and that. You know,

Like I said, I get it. It's the heat of the moment. You're you're invested. But I'm like, why why are you frustrated? This is how it's been all year? And yeah, those guys get paid too. You're just not magically gonna score forty points in tough escape of the year. Go ahead, all right, let's talk a little bit about dak Prescott specifically. I was about to talk about dak and I thought he might Dakota look at some of us.

His stat line he was twenty two to thirty three, sixty seven percent completion rate, two hundred and twenty six yards a touchdown an interception. Quarterback rating is eighty three point six not great, but I thought the point that was most important, most interesting to me was hit six curios for twenty nine yards including the touchdown, and that that run that he the sixteen yard run that got

them down close uh there on. I guess it would be first in gold there at the one that to me was the play of the game offensively, because that's how the Cowboys had have to win if they're gonna win. That's what Zeke's talking about. He's talking about that play when he called him a grown ass man, because that's that's what that was. I mean, that was just it reminded me, honestly of Marion Barber sometimes of like I'm here and I need to get to there, and I

don't give a crap who's in my way. I'm gonna just run over people or run through you or flip around or I don't care. I'm gonna I gotta get over there. And that's what he does. He figures it out. He figures things out. First pass, I'm gonna throw it to gallop, I hit somebody in the suites. Second time, we're gonna do the exact same thing. We're gonna throw a touchdown. He just figures it out, which could have been really bad. He missed that again, Oh everybody would

be talking crap. I was like, why would you do that except for those two guys in the suite or whoever caught it. I mean, the first though was horriball. It was it throws once and you know the fade and the back shoulder ball. Not that that was a back shoulder ball, but those balls haven't been there for him for most of the last two seasons. Round was bad. To dust it off in the playoffs and have it drop in there perfectly. It was pretty funny. But the one thing I will say about the past that was

incomplete there. I don't know if you guys saw, but Brian wrote an article this morning. He was talking about that. He said, what he saw back on the film study was that actually they were trying to go to Jarwin and they actually had Cole trying to pick the linebacker I think was kJ Wright in order to get Jarwin open. That didn't happen. He went around Beasley so stayed with Jarwin. So when Dak saw Jarwin wasn't open, he just basically took a shot down field, and that's how you end

up with that play and that result. So in that circumstance, I'm a little because I was. I was one of the people that I I was like, why would you do that on third and two? There's no reason to do that on third and two. But when you see it from that perspective, maybe the thought was that that was a play they felt pretty good was going to be opening there. It wasn't, and he just took a shot.

Just yeah, and that and that's the difference. His shots aren't very good because his shots he doesn't give his receivers a chance. All the time he's been it's been like trained in his head, don't throw an interception, so so try to throw it, you know, away and all that stuff. And some of the passes are just too far away. But the interception he threw to north Brown, I mean, to me, that one is on him. I mean because Noah Brown is running free from the linebacker.

He got a lot of space out there and he just didn't get it out there. And yeah, it looked like it was interference. But Cooper will get that call. He did get that call. Beasley and Gallop get that call. No One Brown is not going to get it. And it's just it's just a bank bank play and the guy, man, you know what, at the end of the game, he did so much throughout the game that the end of it, when I was looking at the stat I had completely

forgotten that he threw an interception. I was like, oh, yeah, this guy he was like, you want to put him through And overall he threw a red zone pick. He did, he did, you can and that will that's fortunately worked out. That is well, no, but that's that's Dak Prescott, and that's it frustrates me that people try to like, you know, it's it's gotta be one or the other. It can't

be everything, like he'll throw that ball. Accuracy is not his forte and consistency with his mechanics and reading things like, all of those are valid criticisms. But third and fourteen, with the divisional round on the line, he's just gonna bowl his way to the end zone and say, kiss my butt, y'all are going home, And and then his whole team is going to mob him on the sideline and five time all pro Zach Martin is going to say, there's nobody else I'd rather have as my quarterback. And

if you don't think that's important. You're dumb. Sorry, it's so. It's everything. He's got a lot of he's got a lot of developing to do as a passer. But he is a hell of a clutch dude and makes plays a plenty for all of his shortcomings. Yeah, so all right, let's let's move on. Let's talk a little bit about Let's talk a little bit about Zeke Elliott. His stat line twenty six carries for one hundred and thirty seven yards, five point three average, and a touchdown. He also had

four receptions for thirty two yards. And I thought the most interesting thing here was not just how well he played, but how well this offensive line played. Overall. You look at the offensive line, they only allowed one sack, which for this team is a huge improvement. They were regularly giving up four or five sacks per game. Dak only got hit four times, and then they were able to allow the Cowboys to rush as a team for one hundred and sixty four yards with a four point eight average.

Talk about the offensive line and how they performed, particularly with Connor Williams in the game. We talked a lot last week about the challenges there and what this could mean for him as far as having to go up against a pretty stout Seattle front, what do you think of this offensive line? Well, I thought that, like you said, everything there, I mean, they didn't they didn't give up sacks. He didn't really get hit. They kept him off balance.

They were balanced. That was the key. I mean, they were able to run when they needed to, they were able to pass um. That's that was kind of the what the blueprint of this team is. And and I thought Zeke, you know, he really did a nice job all game, kind of taking what was there, kind of dipping underneath some some things. He just he gets so many I hate to sound like Garrett, he gets so

many dirty yards though, that's what he does. And then every every once in a while he can go back to high school and just like, well I'm just gonna bounce it to the outside and just go for forty five yards. There was nobody there in high school. He probably scored, but you know, he still though, you don't really get to do that in the NFL that much. So all in all, I thought he was great. I thought the line was better probably the no, the best

game that the line has played all year. Probably, Yeah, I mean, especially against that front. Dak had a clean pocket, and we knew they could run because this same line opened it up for one twenty seven in Seattle. So I had a feeling they'd be able to run. But Dak had a clean pocket. More often than not. He got sacked once. And if you go back back and look, it was a stunt, which so you know, Connor Williams

is a rookie who hasn't played in six weeks. You know, you never want to excuse it, but you know, it's not like guys were just getting beat head up. They ran a stunt to free a rusher up and that's how they got him. And other than that, like I said, it wasn't just that he didn't get sacked four hits so and what thirty two attempts? Yea, so four times and thirty two attempts that that they got to him. I thought he had a remarkably clean pocket. You know,

Frank Clark gave tire in trouble in Seattle. I didn't really see that this time around. I thought they were great and him again, what one hundred and sixty four yards as a team, And that's it's cliche. And I know Seahawks the Seahawks fan base is killing Pete Carroll right now and rightfully so in my opie, which but it's hard because there's a fine line between you want to establish the run and the Cowboys showed exactly why, like yeah, like Zeke wasn't gashing them by any stretch

of the imagination. But five six, seven minutes left in the fourth quarter you start seeing things that would have gone for three yards go for nine yards, and that matters. So I get why teams want to establish the run, but if I was Seattle, I would have given up

on it way sooner than they did. Not to go too far into Ram's talk, which we were doing later in the week, but do you think at this point Connor Williams has made a good argument as to why, regardless of what the status health wise, Sue Philo might be, that he should be the guy that starts this week. Yes, he's made a good argument. We'll take that argument. Put it right. Thank you for your argument. I'm glad that

you're you're making a good argument. I'm glad. Argue glad it's not just simple, you know it sounds like, yeah, that was a great argument, son. Yeah, Now I could see why you would like to stay out till two. I get it, it's still midnight. I'm not there yet. You're getting there, but um no, I mean I just think Sue Philo's better, and I just I want him out there for Sue and Donald. That's what that's which. This is going to sound defeatist, and I'm sorry, but

like does it matter? Does it matter? This Air and Donald? I mean, so Sue Philo is more, is stronger, but Connor is probably more athletic. Donald's both like he's just a super strong, super fast freak. He's got twenty sacks from a tackle spot. I mean, I don't know, I don't know that I will say this why they get when we when we saw so a Philo have his first I think it was in his first start, played really well against Fletcher Cox. Fletcher Cox, who is probably

second or third best defensive Wich. Aaron Donald's on a whole different level than anybody else. Fletcher Cox is overpoweringly strong. I don't think of him as being particularly quick. Aaron Donald moves like an end even though he's five ten, and sometimes he lines up at it. Yeah, so you're right, I mean, if I mean, if it was pure power. I like the thought of Xavier Suahilo working against Sue. Yeah, but Aaron Donald's so fast. Well, let's wait and see

how that ankle is doing first. Well that's a good point, that is, Yeah, you really want him at one hundred percent, right, You don't even want to take a guy at eighty percent against this guy because he will embarrass you on the great the amazing thing that this Olne has been able to do and especially this game, like I didn't notice anything, and I don't notice anything. That's a good thing. Like no, I'm saying on the other line, because then

you're not Also penalties. That was another thing that they were able to Yeah, pretty how many do they have? They there were a couple though weren't there from the offensive line. But what we were used seeing, no, yeah, it was it wasn't anything close to what we've been seeing in recent times, I guess, yeah, which was good. So and another thing considering all the guys that they've been getting out and in like changing and switching around in the old line because of guys getting hurt and

the fact that they've been able to maintain it. And although Dak yes we've seen him getting hit plenty of time this season, but to see where they're at right now and what they've accomplished so far, I'm pretty proud of that group. Yeah. I think I think it was time well used to put to give Zeke I'm sorry, yeah, Zeke, Tyring and and Zach all time off last week because I think that Zeke, to me, he looked and you know, I talked about this in the Prescott box during the game.

He looked a little quicker to me than he had looked down the stretch of the season. I think it makes a big difference, especially for a running back who takes hits almost every play, to be able to give him a week, to be able to get his legs back, to be able to not be hit for a week, I think that makes a difference. And I think those three guys played like they'd had a little bit of time to rest. Yeah, And I mean I think the being in the playoffs, you know, it will help with

that as well. And that the atmosphere. I don't know if you're going to get into that at all, you know, but I think one thing that probably needs to be you know, just put way aside and it is really over, is that at and T Stadium is not a great place to play as it's not a home field advantage. Because it is a home field advantage for this team, that crowd deserves a lot of praise for what they were able to do, the whole production of everything, you know, the wide out and all that. I was a little

skeptical of that. It looked like a college you know type of thing. It was, whatever it was, they were great. They've been great at home all year long. And you know you pointed out yesterday on Twitter, I mean, the only team to win at home this weekend. I just think it was it Pete Carroll that said this, it's almost like a concert over there. It's not really he said. What he said was he said, it's interesting because you come out of locker room and you feel like you're

out of state and about to play football game. Then you go through the club and he's talking about literally the club, but he was talking about the actual like nightclub. He said, you go through there and then you're like, am I at a football game? And then you go out of there and you're back in a football environment. So you say, it's just kind of different. It's it's a different environments definitely different. It has it's taken a

while to get there. I mean it's this crowd hasn't always been a great, great crowd, but they've always been, at least in my experience, they've always been a good playoff crowd. That's just think about the big playoff games that have happened here. They go crazy for the playoff game,

bar none. Eighth, it was the best AT and T has been And I missed the first three years that AT and T was open, but seeing as how there wasn't a whole lot of success in those years, I feel confident saying that was the best AT and T Stadium crowd ever for a Cowboys game. And it helps that those two wins that they've had Detroit and now Seattle is that that's not really a strong road game presence. You know, green Bay did have some I will say, which the does see some Saturday. The Lions game in

the Packers game definitely were great environments too. It's I mean, the regular the regular season has always been the bugaboo for these guys, which and that will continue to happen, I think. But the Philadelphia this year, I mean, there were some games this year down the stretch that I really think that this crowd really helped. For sure, Yeah, for sure. I've said it all. I've said it really since nineteen eighty seven when the Minnesota Twins did it

in the World Series. You put give them a little white flags. It's it's about six points, they go crazy. You know, I judge a lot by the sound of the crowd, Like I know if the Cowboys made a play or if the opposing team made a play, went there.

You hear the different levels of the crowd this time around, Like I would not have any idea because see, if I'm looking down and then I see some or expect to hear something to see whether or hear whether Seattle made a play or not, I would not know, Like I would have to watch the replay to make sure, oh yeah, that was a catch or that was a touchdown. There was no noise like when Seattle made a play.

There was no noise. Like I'm talking about how powerful the Dallas crowd was and how they literally took over the whole at and t state from from the opposing team, because usually you will even hear that even if it's not a huge number of fans. You hear it. This is this is something I did hear and I could kind of see it. When Alan Hearns was laying down there, you could hear something weird from the crowd. It was a different type of noise, and I remember looking and

it's what we're way up there. I just remember thinking, that doesn't something's not looking right. The feet don't look like you normally would. And that's that's the end of what anything I've ever seen about Alan Hearns's play, because I'm not looking at it. I don't even know. So real quick, real quick, before we go to break, just give us some update on what we know. I guess at this point when her status is we do you had surgery? But where's he right now? And what's happening?

You know. It's really fun about the social media age is like you can just get updates without trying to. Like I you know, I tweeted, I was just tweeting about Hearns from Saturday and uh and his mom came and found my tweet and tweeted and she was like, he's home, sir turns yeah, missus, Hearns shouted. She you know she's probably listening to this. If I hadn't guess the shout out hope Allan's doing better, but so she tweeted me yesterday and was like, he's home. Surgery went well,

he's on the road to recovery. And I was like, well, thank you for the update. I appreciate that. Really touching moment on Twitter as well, one of a fan. I don't know if was this the kid who he had done some he'd done something with whatever, there was a kid in my head. There was a kid on Twitter who just basically was, you know, kind of really distraught a lot of fact and then wrote a letter to him telling me he had been praying for him and then four times four times, yes, four times four times

for you and uh, prayer works. And then he went back and sent that information over to That information got sent to Alan, and then Alan reached out to him, uh, and they showed some pictures of them having a FaceTime. Alan was talking to tell him assuring you have a story on that later on our Cowboy. So really cool stuff though, really cool stuff, really cool moment that came out of a very gruesome moment for the Cowboys of Alan Hern. He does appear to be doing well and

assuming there are new setbacks. Is hopeful that he'll be ready for August. I mean huge. That's a big deal for him because this contract's not guaranteed next year. I mean right, that's that's a big deal for him. It really is a big deal, you know. And just it was. It was really a touching moment. A lot of things that you saw there. Um, you know, I give a lot of credit to the Seahawks as well, classy. I

thought they were super glad. And I don't don't know if they know Alan hearns that well or not, but everyone knows that's those, you know, situations, and they were there, just about every one of their team teammates went over there, and just seeing Garrett and him, you know, just with that, you know, just locked, you know, with their hands like that. You can say what you want about Jason, but he absolutely cares about his guys, probably more than a lot

of head coaches do. And it's moments like that that's evident. Just seeing the tears down and you know, just it was. It was a really intense scene, an emotional moment. And that's twice the Cowboys and their opponents have had to deal with that pretty early in the game with Crawford going down and the same with Hearns. And it's weird because you gotta like, Okay, that sucks. Now what well, now, what is twenty four x two blast on three? Ready? Break?

I mean, do it again? Yeah, do it again? All right? We're good fans too for that. I remember, you know, obviously it's a gruesome injury. It takes time to get him off the field and do it. And then the fans were right back into it as soon as as soon as that was over, which that's easier said than done too. Ye, yep, alright, we're gonna take our first break when we come back. I do want to talk

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Seattle Seahawks. This weekend, they'll be facing the Los Angeles Rams, will be traveling out there on Friday. Game is on Saturday night. Thanks you stay tuned for that. It should be fun. Let's talk a little bit more about this wide receiver position. I'll start first with Amari Cooper, who had seven catches one hundred and six yards, no touchdowns,

but a really, really solid night for them. Does it did exactly what you expect to number one wide receiver to do, made some big catches, formats at critical moments.

That all being said, do you think that this offense was at all impacted by the loss of and not only the loss, but the loss and the hobbling of a couple of wide receivers throughout the game, because it was pretty early on when Cole Beasley had a catch and then he ended up having the ankle injury, and then you've got Hearns that goes out, and then even later in the game you got Tavon Austin who who had some I don't know if it was a reaggravation

of the groin, but all those things happening. Amber talked about it. It It seemed like earlier were getting the ball a lot of people that all kind of came to an end. How much do you think that affected this offense? I mean, I think it did a little bit. I mean, but they were all able to kind of come back on Herns, but they were all able to come back and do some things. Um, you know, I thought I thought that Cooper had two really big plays in that game.

I mean that that took him from about the forty down to the fifteen or ten. Now, if they if they would have overturned that and called that a the incomplete pass, very similar to the Dez play, I don't know what would have happened there. Um, yeah, that would have been fun. Yeah, but I thought it was the right call. I thought he was making three steps, and

that is the new rule now it's three steps. If you have the ball for three steps, that's officially account Like all right, we're getting into like so deep into the semantics. But like, I know, the ball, the ball moved when he hit the ground, but it didn't look like he lost control of it to me, Like he still looked like he had two hands on it. And of course it's gonna move when you, you know, you're running full speed and you fall on top of it. So but I don't think he lost control. And obviously

the refs agree. And the point is it didn't matter. He had three steps, three steps and that point, at that point he's a runner. Yeah that's true. But then again, it happens, you know in the in the game yesterday, in the in the Bears game, when that was a

really weird play, you know. But anyways, to get up to your point, I thought the receivers, I thought, yeah, it was they were they were having some setbacks, but they were you know, they were fine, and they were still you know, the guy they were trying to target the most was healthy. I mean, Noah Brown was definitely healthy. I I don't get it, Shot, I don't understand it. I'm sorry. I like him. He actually just for the record,

he was fourth in targets. I had one kitch the targeted Cooper, Zeke and Gallop more than Here's my thing about Noah Brown. I wish I could do make his voice well. He kept he kept talking about him. He'll be like, why is he still in there? And then he would not like go back down to writing his notes and notes and look back up and then realized no I was in there, and he's like, he's back in there, and it was hilarious. He hearns is hurt, like he has to play. But but you know, Mickey,

you'll sit in the press box. He's got his headphones on and he still kind of forgets how loud he is. He doesn't really, that's the thing about headphones. Have heap phones, you don't know how loud you are? Yeah, I don't. Does he forget or does he just not care? Maybe a little bit of both. But I think their headphones don't help, right, um he um. But my thing about Noah Brown and Jason always says this. Garrett says this about rookies and young players, is that you know, he

did a nice job. He went in there. You know, the moment didn't seem to be too big for him. I think the moment is too big for him right now. I really believe what they want him to do and the type of player they want him to be. I don't think he's there yet, and I think they're asking too much of him. Yes, he's a big bodied guy, but that doesn't mean he can block everybody. Well who somebody knocked him down. He was trying to block, He gets knocked down, and he's just not there yet. I

think he will be. I don't think, And I just don't understand if there's a clause in their contracts if he catches touchdowns or whatever. It just seems weird that they're really forced in the ball to him. Yeah. I mean everybody knows that. I'm the president of the Noah Brown fan Club, but still yeah, yeah, I'm okay. I mean, he hasn't doesn't cost them any games, has he? I mean, but you can see that it's yes buzzling. I don't

blame Noah Brown. It go. I mean, it's the same thing we always say, it's like they outthink themselves in those types of situations. They're like, nobody'll ever see this coming. We will. Now we're not gonna give it to We should throw pencil, should throw it to Cooper. It's exactly what they want us to do. Well, then we should give it to Zeke. That's exactly what they want us to do. Well, how about Noah Brown? Like it just will just sneak him through the trash, Which that's what

That's what that play was like. It reminded me of the Lucky Whitehead play in Green Bay. It is like, but it didn't work. They're just like, well, he's gonna engage for a minute and then we'll sneak him through the trash and it'll be right there. And like it's great in theory, but maybe lean on the guys who you pay, you know. And I'm all, let's let's be

clear too. I'm all for the idea of being creative, because the moment they're not creative is a moment all of us and all the fans out there want to talk about how uncreative they are calling play. So I get it. It's I think you should throw some different

things out there. It just is puzzling to me the amount that he ends up being on the receiving end of catches when he's just not been to this point, he has not been a productive receiver for them, not only has been at practice, Like obviously they practice all these plays. I wonder how he's been doing in practice. I guess that he's probably doing pretty well and they're probably go out there, we can use this, like this

is something we can use in the game. It just hasn't transcause there are players like that that they they're great I practice and then you throw them in the game when the lights come on and it just does not It just disappears and the flips. I mean, it's the same. It's the same stories like, well it was

there and they didn't execute this. I mean, he should have had a touchdown against Washington too, But over a long enough period of time, a large enough sample size when you're like, well, maybe maybe that's part of why it's not hitting right, you know what I mean. It's not a high percentage play for the quarterback that's throwing it in the receiver. I am not a football coach, but if it were up to like if I was

trying to get Noah Brown involved. I would be putting him out on the boundary and throwing jump balls to him, like throw the red zone fade to Noah Brown because he's gonna bully the dB out of the way. And I know he's got high pointability. I know he hasn't showed it here, but that's what I would do anyway, at least we're finding out at least right now that you know. And I think I said maybe he's a tied end type of guy. You know, he's not there

yet because he does get he gets knocked around. Now you said bully these corners probably, but when it comes to the linebackers and stuff, he's the one that's getting bullets. He's not ready to kind of mix it up with that. kJ Wright. What an outstanding player he was also, he was great. He's a stud who like let's not Yeah he is a great player. Yeah, where is he? Is he a Texas guy? I don't know. I don't know.

Wagner went to Utah State. He's awesome, Like just to make that play, just to like be running with the wide receiver and yeah, he hit him early. He had They missed him not being there for a good part of the season. But oh, that's right, he's a Mississippi State guy. I forgot that. Yeah. Um, so if he did got Dak was just throwing. He was helping him out. Yeah, if he didn't play next to Bobby Wagner, he'd get

so much more credit for how good he is. Um. But as a tandem, probably the best, best two or three in the league. I would guess them Carolina, Yeah, I mean want to throw these guys in there. Dallas is on but inside linebackers, Yeah, I'm linebacker tandems I phrase it. These two are better than those two you think. I think I'm there yet They're close. I have figured out I have figured out a great way to qualify it. Dallas's guys are They are the most athletic duo in

the entire league. And that counts for a lot. I'll take. You know, Wagner and Wright have just been through the wars and see some things and can I mean, I trust their instincts and their experience a little bit more. But Jalen and Layton or I mean they're freaks. Yeah, that's yeah, they're not. They don't know as much about the position as Keekley and Davis or Wagner and Wright. But you know they can make plays getting these guys can't.

They will be there very quickly shortly. The thing about that calling those guys and they are they have the freakish talent. But but I will say this, they tackle well, they really do that. It's not just guys that are running around. I mean, that's the impressive thing about Jalen and vander Esh, whom I remember when Rolando McClean was doing it. You see, you don't have to wait for the guy to tell us on you know of who

made the play. You may don't even know who that is anyways, but you know exactly who's you know the tackle is just by looking from where we are, we're like, oh wow, Like he got hit at the twenty five and twenty five he didn't go into the yard, doesn't go anymore yards? When when vander Esh and Jalen hit him. I said that on Saturday Night. And Jalen Smith is h he's a name searcher on Twitter because he'll he'll find the stuff I tweet during a game and like

it afterward, which I would do the same thing. That's fine, But Jalen when he made that tackle and he went out of bounds, you know, and he was a good play and I'm like, I was like, is he gonna swipe it on the set now? Now we gotta get back to the middle of the field. Yeah, is a Promoter's definitely a promoter. That's all right, No back it up on the field. I'm all good with that. When you hit like a sack of bricks, which well that's what I was just like, it is absolutely terrifying to

watch him tackle from field level. Like as physical as it looks on TV, it is downright scary when it's happening ten or twenty feet away from you and the sound yeah, sound effect. I do not like it. Real quick, real quick, before we wrap up the conversation on wide receivers, You think the Cowboys this week are gonna have to do something in order to shore up that unit because you got Austin, you got Beasley, got Hearns all at least will probably be on the injury report this week.

Hearns definitely out. You think they need to make a move. I don't think they need to make a move right now, because Lance Leonor's here. I mean they have Do you think they're going to move him up. I guess I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, I'm just I'm spitballing here. Don't hold me to it. But I think Tavon and Beasley will play. I mean they both they finished the game, so that's a good sign that they should be able

to go. Right. Is there a free agent, you know guy out there that and we did talk about, we talked about before the show got like a Deonte Thompson or somebody like that that has been here that knows the offense um, you know, with with with twenty nine help, well, I mean, how much is Lenore gonna help? I mean, yeah, but at least he has you know, dak it takes him a while, and like the connection with receivers, probably you have another injury. Let's say somebody down. Who do

you want to run around there? Do you want Thompson or do you want lenor? You know? And if you didn't have twenty nine, why can't I remember his name? CJ? CJ. Goodwin. If you didn't have him, then I could definitely say you go with Lenore and he plays special teams, but I don't know how much of a role he'd have on special teams. Yeah, bringing in a guy at this point is not so much about this week as much as it is if you keep winning, and let's say,

for example, you sustained another injury. Who is the guy that's going to be the guy that's farther down the line that now has has to play a little bit more of a role. And I think that's where you have to think about, do you want Lenore? I'm sorry my mentality was not a big picture here. I thank

you for bringing me back. Think that yours is because I mean, we none of us have have gone this far, you know, I mean after this game, but I mean for if not, and we've we've now done this for twenty years and we've not gone beyond this round that's coming up. You haven't. We haven't been able to say those words that. How does that feel? Sucks? I want to say it. Yeah, I hate it. I don't even know what I don't even know what movie that's from, but it's from a movie and I want to be

able to say it. Yeah. I just want to. I want to get to an NFC Championship game. We're going to this ship, I know, Yeah, I just want to. I don't think it's from a movie. I just think it's I want to see what it is from, you know. So, but I will say this, you look at these playoff and we've said this at the beginning of the playoffs. This is not a situation where there is one team that you're like, oh, they're definitely going to the super Bowl.

There is no team like that right now. And the interesting thing somebody put that pointed this out on Twitter yesterday. The Cowboys beat the team that the Eagles are gonna have to play this week. The Eagles beat the team that the Cowboys are gonna have to play this week. So there's a lot of mixing up well of these teams, and there's enough there to make you think that you don't know what's gonna happen this weekend when these teams match up. Anything could happen. I would not be surprised

with any particular outcome. You know. I think that you saw probably of the four hottest teams in the NFL going into the playoffs, Colts definitely number one, and they're the team that the only team that's beating Dallas and they destroyed them. You know, they're the hottest team for sure. Dallas is right at there. Philadelphias is super high and Dallas is a team to beat them. And you know, and I think Baltimar, you would say, was pretty hot too,

and then they got cooled off quick. But but you know, it just it just shows that you know, you can you can be hot going into the playoffs, and so far it seems like it's carried over for that most part. All right, we're gonna take our final break. When we come back, we'll talk a little bit about this defense, and then we'll also talk about just for a brief moment, we'll talk a little start touching on Cowboys versus Rams, so that when we come right back. This is Dallas

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or at Stetson dot Com today. Back to the break welcome back, final segment of the break lack in the SWBC Mortal. We should just take we should just take that to the air, because I guarantee you Cowboys fans Field, you know, feel similarly that was actually gonna be the second part of this. But let's just go and jump right into it. I mean, we were talking about the you know, the matchup as you're watching the game yesterday, and I know I tweeted about it. I want it.

I went into the game wanting Philadelphia to win that game mainly because for me, at least, it keeps it keeps the hope alive. And I know this is a remote hope, but it is a hope that the Cowboys could actually if they can win, and then if by some chance Philly wins as well, Cowboys would be hosting an NFC championship game. And Nick, you're not just talking about how we've never even experienced that. To be able to experience that at the home stadium, I think that's great.

And I think the Cowboys best shot of winning that championship game and going to the Super Bowl will be playing it at home because that's where they've been dominant this year. So it wasn't so much about avoiding the Saints because I think the Rams are a formidable opponent as well. We'll talk about that later in the week when we start talking about Aaron Donald. But the fact the matter still is, I think being able to have a chance at a home playoff game for the NFC

Championship that's a big deal. That's a huge deal. The list of reasons to root for the Eagles yesterday was like two miles long, and the risk list of reasons to root for the Bears was just you don't like the Eagles, Like, that's it. That's it. That's a big one, which you're right, that is. The Rams are a formidable opponent, but I think they are a better matchup for the Cowboys. I know the LA Coliseum will have more Cowboys fans

in it than the Superdome will. True, and it keeps your chances of hosting a championship game alive, which I hear Nick's argument that that sounds like a terrifying proposition. Is playing one of your oldest and most hated rivals in them to go to the Super Bowl. That sounds at your house. You know what, though, it sounds a hell of a lot better than having to go down there. The Cowboys beat them, though, how sweet would that be? Yes? Oh my god, absolutely yes. Maybe I'm definitely a glass

half empty person. Will Maybe I am, because because I just look at it like the uh is there? At this point, you really can't have a bad season. It's not gonna be a bad unless you lose to the Rams. It's not a bad season you lose to the Saints in the championship game. It's not a bad season if you have if you host the NFC Championship Game and you lose to the Eagles and they are sitting in your fifty yard line with the ropes and stuff and they're holding trophy and all that, and then the next

week that's two weeks. I had a good year. Yeah, yeah, a good year until Lenahan threw it to Noah Brown in the NFC Championship Game. It got picked off by Jenkins and the Eagles are celebrating their sad right. I mean that horrible? That would be horrible. I'm saying is I think I'd rather go to the Superdome. And I don't know if that's all worth going to the Superdome because the one thing you say the Cowboys have played really well at home this year, So I'll take my

chances on that. One is the trade that they don't end up losing that game if they get there, because those seven color you're you're probably thought that as I stood on the table, and I was like, you can beat their team three times if you're better, and they get it to the Eagles that year they beat the Eagles three times in a season, right, you know, but absolutely, hands Yeah, it's hard. It's a different Yeah, how how likely is that to happen? And it's a different team.

I mean, yeah, Foles' is just different with him scared, scared money, don't make money, Give me the home, give me the home playoff game all the time. Every time I was scared of my Really, I'm gonna want to go to the super job. In other words, what you're saying is they're all scary, all the boy. I mean, if this you're not. That's and that's point. Yes, that's the flips. That's the flip side of it too, And

obviously that's what the players are gonna say. You know, Marcus Lawrence looked like he was offended when I asked him if he had a preference. He's like, I thought he's gonna he grab you by your throat. He was mad at mad you back though he didn't thank you for He was like, who care? Who cares? Like we gotta go on the road and win. And I'm like, I know, but there's a there's a difference. I mean, not for him. Yeah, but that's the mentality they have

to have, absolutely, But it's not our job. It's not our job to have that mentality. And I can say for a fact that one is better than the other. And it's one thing if they win, you know, like if you win Sunday or this Saturday night and you're talking about, okay, Eagles play the Saints tomorrow, that's one thing. But when you say it this early and you say I'd rather play the Rams in the Saints, well guess what. You go beat the Rams now. Now you gotta play

the Saint. Good chance, you gotta go. You gotta You know, you don't want to ever act like you're scared of anybody. It's a little different if you don't have to play them both. You might have to play both of them. Yeah, well, I mean hopefully we will. Yeah, I'd be concerned if the players were saying they were one at one over the other, Like that's not what they shows. You'd be thinking,

we're yeah. That's the point though, is that's what their coach priest us a nameless faceless opponent, right, doesn't matter who it is. It's about what we do. Hope they believe it, right, But for everybody else, it's okay for us to be like I'd rather go nameless faceless opponent. Remember that in front of a building that's at least thirty, if not fifty percent Cowboys fans. Just sounds so much better than ninety five five, which is probably but you

would get in New Orleans every year. We know they're out there. We know they're there because they come out to training. Yeah yeah, I mean, and they go out there and their goals to watch a little bit of practice and maybe get you know, Lance Dunbar to sign your hat or something like that. I don't know why I mentioned, but I'm just you know, just s I mean, just just hope that they get an autograph and all that stuff. And now you have a chance to really go.

I don't make a difference cost it's probably gonna well check this out, uh right before Cody Parky lined up to kick. Last night, tickets tickets to the Coliseum for the Rams playoff game, we're one sixty and tickets to the Saints game were two eighty five. This morning, Rams tickets are three twenty nine and Saints tickets are one eighty. Oh. Literally, like the cowboys just grabbed the market and shift it in whatever direction they want. That's how they do. Insane,

That's how they do. It's gonna be lit, as they like to say. That's the children like this in the coliseum. You know, I was thinking, like from our standpoint, yeah, we're not really going to be in a good press box either way. Oh no, no, wait, New Orleans press box isn't horrible. It's yes, it is worse than horrible. I thought you talk about the food. I'm sorry. The food better than the food's way better than the Rams. The Rams the worst food in the leak, yes, by far.

But maybe they'll step up in them. Get luck with my main like, at least will be warm. That is a good at least will be warm. It is free. The like the the AC, the h the AC hub for the entire Superdome is right next to the press box, right it's like, yeah, well it's that closed off so yeah, yeah, so you hear everything. That would be fun though, maybe we'll get just kind of feel the environment of pet pet peeve of mine. And I know, like very few

people agree with me. Like if you cover college football, the vast majority of those press boxes are open, really and it is so much cooler. I love it. Yeah, I hate how the press boxes across the NFL are

all closed. Like you could tell you've been to enough games and we go down to the field, like it was amazing at at and T, but we would have had such a cooler perspective of it if those windows had been opened, because you got you got a half inch of like plate class between you and the crowd and like so I can lean over to Rob and talk to him very comfortably, which would not be the case if it was open. Yeah. Minnesota has that and it's awesome. Yeah, and it used to be at Minnesota

when they were in their old stadium. Not only was it open, but you were down like you were down lower so you were actually within the crowd. So it was really I thought those playoff games, oh my gosh, it was you felt the playoff atmosphere in Minnesota when you were playing there. It'll be a good press box in Atlanta, though, it will be. I'm sitting it's open, right, Atlanta's open. I'm pretty sure Atlanta's open. You know what where might be? I might be thinking about their old stadium.

I don't know. We're just talking here. I don't know where. If the ten of us would actually get to be in the super Bowl, I don't probably split us up. I'm thinking I love that's you know, I'm sitting here a thing like, were we talking about the NFC title game a little too much? Well, I was just jumping, Hey, that's what happened to me. You haven't been there in a while. You just gets your mind start. You know. One thing I did think about though this morning, and

it was it was kind of sad. I thought, what if this team really gets on a roll and they get there. I feel for Jason wind Like, I really would feel for Jason all the years that he kind of was trying to get over that hump, trying to get over that hump, and then the one year, the year he retires, then they get on a roll. That would be that'd be tough, that'd be tough to deal with if if you're him, right snoozy lose. Yeah, I don't. I don't have I don't have it. I love Jason,

how are you kidding? I have no ill will toward him whatsoever. Yeah, but he retired on like during the NFL Draft, like litter. I mean, the offseason program was already underway. I'm not saying anybody's gonna feel sorry for I, just I personally would feel a little sorry for him because I know how much that mentum and I get't know. We're way ahead of you, got a lot of games to play and a lot of a lot of games

still win to get there. But I just thought about it, like I wonder if he's sitting back thinking right now, like, man, this team they're better than I maybe than he expected them to be, because I wonder if they were, if they were playing, if he and it's mine thought that they were gonna be this good, if he would have made that decision, I wonder maybe it would have. But I do. I do wonder a lot of things to

want they're about in life. I'm just saying, what if, what if they're not three and five or three and four? I mean, what if they're four and three or whatever, I mean, they still make the trade for Cooper. Actually to the point now, they asked Stephen Jones about that um after the regular seasons, after the Giants game, and he's like, we probably would have been more motivated if we'd had a better record, because obviously the receivers are still a problem. I mean, you you know, all you

need is eyeballs to see that. And I don't know if I believe that though, because of how much they care about the draft, and you know, that's a big pick, your first round pick. So but if you're better than the pick isn't as good. But that also may also tell you that maybe they didn't even believe in what they were saying publicly about not needing a number one wide receiver. Maybe they were just at a point where they were like, you know, we need a number one

wide receiver, we don't have one. So you don't go out publicly and say, yeah, we need a number one wide receiver, but you don't have one. We have to kind of sell it that way. And so maybe the idea was that they always thought they needed one, they just didn't have access to one. And then when he became available, it was like, Oh, we don't have to wait until draft and try to draft one and hope that he hits. We can actually go and get one that already has proven he can play in the NFL.

And that just kind of But had they been doing good at the beginning of the season, good enough, do you feel that they would have them intality to where it's like, Okay, we do need a number one or can we just keep going and pushing it like we are right now? That's my point, We're doing okay. If if they everything we've heard since they've gotten a number one wide receiver kind of flies in the face of them really thinking yeah, like legitimately thinking they didn't need

a number one. So I think they were just kind of selling what they had to sell at the time. They were going to get a number one at some point, whether it was going to be this year because they went after our number one this year. I mean they in the off season they were trying to get a number one wide receiver. Didn't work out for them, so they ended up having to get Alan Hearns, which they

kind of just painted him into. The teams lie to themselves, well, they don't lie to themselves, they lie to everybody else and then do what they actually want to do a lot at the times. Yeah, yeah, this, I think this is just a situation where it kind of worked out. It fell into their lapse. They didn't have to wait till they got to the off season and drafted number one and he drafted a first round wide receiver. Let me say this too, but I mean, I get your point.

I know what you're saying. He was a great player here and you know, and he is, uh, we're back on Witness the Warrior. Yeah, Jason Witten. But I'll say this though, you know, he I think one of the reasons why he didn't come back it's because he didn't believe in the team. He really did. I mean, I'm not trying to put him and put words in his mouth, but there's been enough people that have kind of said, you know that he didn't really think that this team

with Garrett and Dak were going to do that. And so that's what Garrett preaches all along about buying in and it's it's about us and no one else thought we would. And I really believe if Jason Witten thought this team would do it, you know, he would have stayed. And so that's kind of on him, you know, because he didn't. He didn't. I think he was done buying in and a lot of fans have done the same thing. Yeah, well, I mean probably he's never said this to me, but

he left and he still thought he could play. I mean, I don't think he thought this team could take it, tono. But that's my point. If that is true, then he still has to be he would be thinking if they got farther into this playoff, he would be thinking, man, did I make a bad decision? Although, and you know, I hear what you're saying, and I think there's some

validity to it. But I mean, if that's really how he felt, and almost good for him too, because that is a hell of a commitment to make if you're not in it, you know, right, no doubt. If you're not, it's written on all the signs all over this building. It is like, if you're not one hundred percent in, get out. And so obviously you would love it if Jason Witten was part of this. But if you mean turning thirty six and you got this offer on the table and you're like, I don't know, man, Like I

don't know. If I have it in me to care in May just as much as I would in December, then then you probably and he couldn't be Gates. You know, Gates has taken a different role Gates, especially when Henry comes back. For sure, he's a It's a different type of thing. I don't think he could have ever done that. He needed all the time, not even a backup guy, not even the startup, but just the every down starter. He didn't even want to rotate. So it was a

different thing for him. Um, I'm sure he's you know, he's probably proud of the team at some point, but maybe he's kicking himself a little bit. But but but that's not I'm not saying anything bad about him thinking that way. Who in this room thought this team, you know, would would be at this level? I don't know, not me. I didn't pick him to the playoffs, so I can't remember. Did we pick playoffs? I think we picked records. I don't think. I don't remember. I said I said nine

and seven, no playoff trip, and that's fine. Hey, they proved me wrong. I can know him that that's cool, which maybe Jason wit And feels some regret but thinking about thinking about how much work it takes to get ready for a season and all of that. He might be a piece with it. Like, man, that's really great for them. But I I didn't body. Maybe it was just like I didn't want to do it anymore. Yeah, he was slowing down. So all right, we appreciate you, guys,

John Us. We back tomorrow. We'll jump right into the Rams tomorrow. Dave will give us a scattering report on the Rams offense on Wendsay will get to their defense. Till then. For Nick Eaton, Dave Elman, and Amber Garcia, I'm Derek. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.