The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for a Break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and Bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hi, guys,
welcome to another episode of the Break in studio. Joining us today is Brian Brodess, replacing Derek Eagleton, He who is somewhere at the beach in Mexico and joining the Sun. Meanwhile, everyone else around the league is worrying of a free agency and what to do to improve their team. So there's a lot of things happening around the league in that regard. But first let's start off with the Cowboys and what's going on with them and what they have
done and haven't done so far. One of the free agents that was much talked about since the beginning of this year was Cole Beasley. What was going to happen with him and his contract, wanting some money, It came out that he's moving on and going to the Buffalo Bills twenty nine million dollars four years and just wanted to get your impression on this whole contract. Is it telling that Derek went to cabone during the week that free agency opened, Like, did he know he know part
of the team. He knew something. It's part of the team. I mean, if you've been following the Cowboys, I don't think you should be surprised that Cole Beasley is gone. You know, you kind of you can kind of set the stage, you can. I mean, you know your surprise has always happened. I'd bring it up all the time. I was shocked that Terrence Williams came back two years ago, but Cole was pretty confident that somebody was going to offer him a bunch of money. He's been saying it
since October. The Bills did fourteen million guaranteed. He turns thirty next month. I think, I don't you know, you can make fun of them all you want. Maybe you don't want to live in Buffalo, or maybe you think their offense is gonna be bad. But I'll take that financial stability every day of the week. Good for him, So not surprised at all. That's pretty much my reaction
to it. It's about par for the course, now, when you talk about the slot receiver position and what the Cowboys are planning on doing here, maybe utilizing some of their own guys or maybe addressing this through the draft, what could the Cowboys fans expect to be done at this pacific position? I'm actually sorry, I mean, if one, I'm actually writing about that as we speak, shameless plug age. I think it remains to be seen. I think. Okay, So you know the guys that are on this team.
Alan Hearns is a guy that they've pegged as a possibility in the slot. He had a thousand yard season playing mainly in the slot for Jacksonville. He's recovering from a terrible ankle injury, so that's TBD. Cedric Wilson is a guy that people like to throw around. Lance Lenore's a guy that's done it in the preseason. Haven't seen him do it in a real football game yet. Um, and then there's the draft. I mean, so you're probably
talking about young production one way or the other. If I had to guess, But you know, we're three days into free agency. Things can change. Go make a run
at Golden Tate. I know, yeah, that's I knew. Brian was going to say that, Yeah, if we're if we're getting into a situation right now where we're gonna we're gonna start seeing some bargains here and you get some guys that are probably looking at some one year deals maybe to try and you know, get with a team and then maximize, much like we saw with with the Honey Badger, you know with Tyren Matthew last year, last year, Yeah,
last year. But no, you get with a team and then you kind of have some production and all of a sudden that it can parlay that into a bigger contract. I don't know what Golden Tate's demands are, but to your point, you could look at his situation on one year deal. You can look at some of the other It looks like some of the other slot players that you wanted to the crowders of the world. Uh, the kid at Tampa, you know, Humphries, Humphries, Uh, you know,
are going to sign back. Keep an eye on that one. By the way, with Humphries, he might be going back to Tampa. Oh you don't think the deal's gonna go. Well, there's some hearing some whispers this morning that maybe that that he might have like the change of heart like we saw with Anthony Barr Anthony Barr, So keep an eye on that. That's the funny thing, you know. And and for the most part, these things are going to
go through. But like these deals have been happening since noon on Monday, and none of them can be signed until three o'clock today. Yeah, Cole Beasley could change his mind for all we know. So that's definitely something to keep an eye on. Is that we're still technically in the legal tampering window. But sure, yeah, you're right though about there's plenty of options there. And what you can also think about, too is how do you how do
you you know? You you have now Jason Witton on your team and he could make up for some of the things that you don't the limitations that you might have with Cole bees with not having replacing numbers underneath numbers. That is so I mean, I I don't I don't have a problem with Cole Beasley moving on because I think there's I think there's other options out there, the draft, free agency, whatever you need to do, you can fill
this role. Let's let's pull it back because the Cole Beasley thing kind of falls right into Cowboys free agency conundrum every single year, which is, we're three days into this thing, the Cowboys have done nothing. It's a yearly source of consternation among the fan base. Um, but are we not par for the course? And is free agency
not far from being over? I mean, this is what they do every year, and at some point, you know, at some point the fans are I don't know, I mean, they're not going to be done with it, because you know, they say that all the time, like, well, I know I'm not dealing with this anymore, but you still come back. But I can understand their frustration because you know, they keep doing the same thing and it's not good enough.
I meant, what at some point you're gonna have to say, well, we're gonna have to go and get some free agents to help because just drafting and just doing this and we'll get them so far. So I think I think this is part for the course, and I think they're gonna they're gonna shoot at ninety. I guess if you keep doing this. I'm not I'm not ready to be
frustrated yet, because I mean I'm not frustrated. I just know the fans are, and I think they have a right to be because you see other teams getting better and the Cowboys haven't done anything to get better. The problem I have and Nick and you live this with us in the early two thousands, as we were god awful as a team, and we were got awful at evaluating players, and we were got awful at signing free agents, and we spent way too much money and didn't get
anything from it. Give me the team that can draft and sign its own. Mean you know my roster, and again we need We'll get into this one day, and I've tried to get into it before. This roster, to me is a top ten roster. You've been saying that a lot. But we talk about the coaching. We talk about the head coach, and that is another story for another day. But this roster, I think if it had a different head coach would probably be we wouldn't Drafting
and signing your own would be acceptable. That's that would be acceptable to the fans. But to your point, though, yeah, I think you have to supplement things. But I also harken back to the days when you first started with his team and you used to write nice things about us when you really didn't mean nice things about us when you're trying to all the craft that we signed, and you know there's there's there's levels to this. Now just let me finish saying yeah, yeah, there's levels to this.
You know, I trust what these pro guys are going to do here. I trusted they'll go out if they can go out and get a golden tap or get somebody on a one year deal. You know, this thing doesn't have to be Okay, let's dive into the pool head first. Oh we just hit her head on a rock. You know that. That's where I think that a lot of teams. You look at some of the teams that are making early moves, it's teams that traditionally don't draft. Well, look at all the craft that John Dorsey had to
deal with with roster at Cleveland. Now he's having to turn the whole team over, you know, and that a lot of it is. And that's a team that had a lot of draft picks and had ability to go sign guys, which no you you playing at my point act, I agree with both of you, and people have been
saying this for the last few days. There has to be a happy medium somewhere, right, because have you seen a deal gets signed or agreed to in the last three days that you're like, yeah, I wish I wish the Cowboys had done that because honestly, like honestly, I haven't three and a fifth for Antonio Brown and you got to take that contract. See no avendolas on the wrong side of thirty Uh what I mean? I'm not trying to give Tyron Matthew fifty million dollars to be paid.
And you know I went to LSU. I'm that amount of money scares the crap out of me. One that really stands out. Um, Philly got Malik Jackson for thirty million, and I don't know, I don't know the guarantees off the top of my head, but that one intrigued me, especially with the needs that this team has a defensive tackle. But the main point being the huge gobs of money that are getting lash around. I'm not interested in that. But it's Wednesday. Now we're heading into the second phase.
This is where I would like to see something get done. And this is what you know. Let me let's I can't believe I can get off you get off their back. If they signed Earl Thomas. Yes, you guys, yes, are you kidding, especially for safety the whole year. So I know which, I know where you're going. Well, Nick, Nick, you don't come on the break. But Nick is that Nick has been the cheerleader for Earl since January of twenty Okay, and today it's done. Okay, it's a done deal.
It's not going to happen. It's a dead deal, is what I meant to say. Which that's frustrating to hear because at this point, now you see the cowboys are dead here. That's what I've been told. But I mean, who knows. I'll believe it when I see, believe all of it. But but dead from the count. Let me finish here. I mean, he's you know, he's this is the story here, he's got stuff to say today. No, no, no, this is a story. This is what he's heard, something
that we need to know that. They're not interested right now. They're just not interested. Right They're not interested because of the money, because the money, because of it sounds like he's doing something now it's going to go somewhere else. But my issue there and I know you had a point, you were still finishing, but my issue goes back to DeMarcus Lawrence way back in January. Why are we sending offers in late February early March to them when they
know what they need to do. If they could have got a deal done here, you could free up maybe eight to nine ten million dollars this year to go get a guy like an Earl Thomas or somebody when when they can make they can structure this thing. Right now, he's sitting at twenty million, and I know that they might get him off the books at some point, but they're not looking to go make a deal right now.
And some of these deals could go by when I feel like they haven't done everything they need to do and get DeMarcus into the contract he needs to get into. So no intention to ever signed Earl Thomas here then, right, No, I'm not saying that's no intention. I just was told today that it's I don't like, it's I don't not
happening right now. I don't think you can say that, but yeah, and that's it's not surprising to hear because they're always going to want to do it at their price, which the fact that Earl Thomas doesn't have a deal on Wednesday morning tells me that his price is already lower than it was expected to be, which that's where it starts to get frustrating. I don't mind the cowboy same age and as Collins, by the way, whose deal do they get done first? Same agent? Is that dude's
got like every safety? Yeah? Um funny last name by the way, mug mugg Alatta Yeah, yeah, it's like a muffalatta. Yeah, great sandwich with I don't begrudge. I don't begrudge the Cowboys for not wanting to splash fifty million guaranteed on players. But when you're talking about being able to sign an all pro safety at a discount or some of these others killed by fans killed your boy Car? Didn't they kill him? Be Car? Yeah? Yeah, they killed him well,
and they killed Crawford. Right, that's the type of contract that they should be avoiding deals out there that they that they could get done. We're the fan base. If we know how much money you're making, we'll remind you that that's fans in general. That's not a Cowboy specific thing. Well, what's up with Levan Bill? What am I hearing there? And unless yet or it's Jets, it's Jets, it's Jets.
Why I was just showed something very at the last minute, right before we did this, that he he put something on Instagram like to Adam Schefter like I need a lot more money than that to go to the Jets. Is that a joke? I don't know. I didn't see that. But again, I don't know what's going on. I don't know nothing. I don't know. There's a lot of stations devoting time right now to talking about Leveyon Bell. I guess they're all wrong. Then. If that's the case, well, yeah,
that's what That's why I thought it. Just I saw something that he had tweeted to Adam Schefter or sent something to him that said he's with the Jets. So that's interesting though with the Jets, I don't know if that's where you were headed. But I mean some of these deals do affect the Cowboys. I mean, when you're looking at Zeke needing a new contract and here comes Leveon Bell with four for fifty two, Yeah, well seems lower than I than I thought you would sit out
a whole year for to get that. I talked big about the D four trade last night, you know, and the and that ended up being like seventeen five seventeen five a year. I think the Cowboys would love to do a deal like D four just did with San Francisco. Yeah, I mean I don't. It's a big problem there. DeMarcus Lawrence is a way better player than D four. I'm just telling you though that. You know, people like to say, well, does that make the deal better or worse for the Cowboys?
Which that's one of those better deals for the Cowboys. If you look at that, how do you figure seventeen and a half a year, seventeen and a half for a year for a guy that's not doesn't have half the resume? Is tank this this for the Cowboys? Okay, he couldn't have signed for twenty two or twenty three if I would have been far. But who's the other end? Who's the other end? That's oh, Trey Flowers, Trey Flowers.
If I'm DeMarcus Lawrence and I see what Trey Flowers and D four just got, I'm saying, are ain't away in hell? I'm signing for less than twenty something. If these guys are getting eighteen eighteen, he got five ninety over five, So yeah, yeah, like eighteen, what's the guarantee of it. I'm sorry, I asked a question that no forty off the top of my head. I like your cap all just for the looting. I try. But some of these moves, you know, they are affecting the Cowboys.
They were there. I mean, the wide receiver move is the one that's going to affect them the most. I think the Brown contract because of Amar Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe. But see that's a tricky one because you're talking about what a guy's going to do versus what a guy has done. But Antonio Brown, I don't I mean, I don't know. That's a lot of money for an old man. I can't bring myself to worry about. You know, you brought up Belle and Zeke, and that's an interesting conversation.
I can't bring myself to worry about any of it until they figure out what they're doing with the Marcus, honestly, and that and that's a good point. Is like you get lost in the stories of free agency. But that's the big one for me, and it everything kind of dominoes off of that. Is like I don't understand why they're playing hardball with this guy, and that's gonna color every other thing they do because it's eaten up twenty million of their cap, so it makes him even less
likely to spend money. He's not going to be part of the office season program until he gets a deal. And I just don't really get it. I don't understand, really really upsetting to me. It's like, you know this is what you've got, you know, this is what it's going to happen. You know this is a timeline. You should be prepared, you should have done this way in advance.
And like you were saying, Nick, this is going to factor in on what you do here in free agency because now you're trying to figure out how the whole money situation plays in to everything. How you had that done already. Now you're looking at what free agent can you bring in here and better this thing and what else is happening if you would have done that way before.
You're also got a surgery already in place for d law True and you tell him, hey, we have a chance to get you some players, especially on defense that maybe in the back end that can help you. He would sign. What's up? Let me break some news for you guys here on the break Earl Thomas back in the mid earl Thomas intends to sign a four year, fifty five million dollar deal with thirty two and guarantees Baltimore Ravens. So, yeah, that dream is dead. And is
this a blue check mark? Guy? This is Adam Schefter. Okay, that's a blue check Marks Adam Schefter, which that is more than everybody but Landon Collins got. Yeah, that's a that's a wow. I almost curse. That's a boatload of money. How much did you say? Again? Fifty five with thirty two and guarantees they lost Weddle right, yeah, which if we're being real that, I mean, you know, we're sitting here saying, oh, maybe you could get him two for
two for twenty or two for thirty. Yeah. Not so we're kind of thinking that the longer this went that he didn't have a market there, and maybe we were wrong. Maybe he's just being very selective with a bunch of nice deals. Because what's so fifty five over four? I can't do math, guys, that's thirteen points sets so four. I mean, he's not set in the market, but he's right up there with it. Do we think the Cowboys we're gonna go anywhere north of eleven. No, I don't think.
I don't think he's surprised the number of years there a little bit. Yeah, I thought, well, I'd like to see the contract now that I can just sit there and look at it dissect. You don't know how easy it is to get out of And it's twenty two million guaranteed in the first nine months, so it sounds like it's front loaded to help out with his age. All right, next year we'll be talking about Earle again. I thought, if anything, No, there's no question. I thought,
if any two million and nine months day. I thought, if anything, he might want to sign a short deal because he's older. Yeah, he's of that caliber of player that he can kind of name his terms and you know, maybe he would rather try to sign multiple contracts, but doesn't sound like it. Yeah, and so a good deal for him though, No, great for him. Yeah. And honestly, you know, it sucks to say, but like, if that's what it was going to cost, I don't I don't
really blame the Cowboys. I was not doing it. Yeah, fourteen fifteen million dollars was not my cup of tea. Yeah, I was trying to and I thought, if you could do it for two years, twenty two million, gar and gart Tee It. Yeah, maybe that's what you do. I just it's it's strange that that that the Ravens, well they you know, they waited and they got the guy. Maybe that's exactly what they want. I'm interested what they would have paid Wettele because in wet right, I mean,
Wettle is similar similar. Yeah, what's the difference there for for Wettele and for Earl Thomas. It just seems like maybe it's you know, just somebody look at differently here. But I don't know, I don't know how many safeties are left. I mean, I think there's wine that we have a drop of. Maybe Clinton Dix's still out there, has out There's still out there. Yeah, Jalieladai is out there, Trey Boston is out there. There's several those safeties though
that the Cowboys didn't want anything to do. That's and that's where I think that people need to kind of, you know, catch an idea about you know, Earl Thomas about to sign Darien Stewart. Lebroncos is out there still. Grober Quinn, I find I find myself having deja vu, just because if I had to guess, for one reason or another, they won't be interested in any of these guys. Yea. And about our star valuation on the website of Jeff
Heath today, good time, really good timing, really good timing. Um, not really because I have to go and update it now. It's it's it's I mean, like I said, I don't expect the Cowboys to drop fat stacks, but this is it's it's interesting because you know, at the combine last month, Stephen Jones said the phrase next step roughly eighteen times, and it's hard to buy that right now when you when you basically know that, you know, the star defensive end doesn't look like he's going to be in the
building anytime in the foreseeable future. And as of right now, nothing has been done to improve this roster, which it's early. I get that. But the only things that they're counting on are two or right now that are different, two players that didn't play a snap last year, Travis and Witten. Yeah, which I don't think you can undersell the impact that Travis Frederick could have on this team. That's great, it's awesome. Yes, if he can come back and be Travis Frederick Jason Witten.
I think the world of him. I don't know that that's going to make a drastic difference as opposed to last year, but we'll see. I could be wrong. Well, let's go ahead and take our first break. When we come back, we'll keep talking about free agency and some of the things that the Cowboys have done in as far as Sean Lee in the linebacker position, what's going to happen there with Damian Wilson partying ways from the Cowboys.
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position for the Cowboys. Damian Wilson is expected to sign with Kansas City Chief. Meanwhile, why are you laughing? Just you know, the safety that we've been talking about for like two years just signed in Baltimore. But Dami, you're right, Damian Wilson did leave to Damian Wilson left, Which what else can you said, Eric Thomas, I mean, you can't keep talking about it. Have you listened to this program
at any point in the last two years? We can talk about to move on Connor Williams does Connor Williams though. The trade that you didn't make is that now where you look at you look at Connor Williams and say, Okay, he needs to come back. He needs to be a starter. He needs to be a six seven year starter for you talking about to make this, Yeah, to make this.
I mean, I know cowboy fans out there are looking at this Earl Thomas thing, and you know, they're shaking their heads and they're calling us all bad names and stuff. This is when Twitter sucks, by the way, you know, when you're trying to kind of be a voice of
reason here and it's really not working very well. But you're gonna look at the Connor Williams second Round on the Clock conversation with John Snyder as Okay, you're you're better off because you didn't take Earl Thomas, but you got this starting young guard instead if he's twenty one years old, twenty two years old. If you want to be the voice of reason, then yeah, it was still probably the right decision because what you get, you get one season out of Earl. Maybe, I mean, he played
four games for the Seahawks. Can't he might not have broken his leg, maybe he plays all six. We still love Earl Earl Thomas, So we're not saying it, but I mean, because I wouldn't our show going, Yeah, go for it. Point, you had a chance to get him last year in the middle of the season. Yeah, and you try to play hard ball here and then he
didn't go your way, no question. This is where I'm asking though, does the does the But what I'm saying, well, so my point is, Okay, Earl just got fifty five million with thirty two and guarantees after playing four games and breaking his leg. Let's say he helps the Cowboys to the playoffs. He would he would be getting more money than he got in this timeline. Like if he plays a full season with the Cowboys, he can command a better contract. He's still gone because they're not going
to pay him. Yeah, and then think you get one year out of Earl, they'd have a chance to maybe sign him early. Maybe, but as we're watching with d Law, they wouldn't. Well, not only that, but also like, if I've learned one thing about Earl Thomas, I respect the hell out of that guy. I've never met him, but he is clearly obviously he's a help of football player, but like he's a savvy businessman too. He is about his business. And he ain't signing with the Cowboys in
November because it's three hours away from home. He's gonna be like, no, We're gonna play this thing out and I'm gonna get as much as I can. And so he would probably be gone that way. He's the same way some no I know, but I think Earl Thomas is smart in the way he goes about this stuff. Point being, he would still be gone. Let and I doubt he would have helped the Cowboys win a Super Bowl, so he'd still be gone. So give me the twenty one year old guard who started ten games last year
and should, by all reasonable expectations, improved this year. I agree with you there. The only thing, if if we're looking back in hindsight, then you know, if I would have known that that is Avi su Laphilo would have been there, it would have been probably a better player, and that you can get for two years then then I like the trade even more. And maybe Joe Looney too. Yeah, if you think about the way Joe Nney played for you, Yeah,
but it doesn't change. So all right, maybe it's not Connor Williams if you had known, But wouldn't you rather have four years of a player taking at sixty than twelve games of Earl Thomas? Yeah? No, I That's that's what I'm trying to say. I love Earl Thomas. I was all about trying to get him doing whatever you had to do. But it would have been fun. I think if you look back on this, I think is fans you look back on this, and if if in fact, Connor Williams comes back at twenty two years old and
is a starter, is a type of guy? Heck, you know, let's be honest with Aaron Donald didn't kill you in that Rams game, right, It was the other guy that killed you. And the other guy was over your all pro tackle our guard. So let's yeah. So I mean, if if you talk about a guy that had improvement and I'm just looking back to evaluate to trade. I'm just trying to look back on draft day when we were sitting in this room talking about, well, who they're
gonna pick. Oh, they're gonna take Connor Williams. Oh wait a minute. We're hearing there's a possibility of an Earl Thomas trade here, and we're all like going, oh, no, you know, kind of a thing. But I think to a man, we were okay with yeah, go ahead. I mean, I know, I know I had a I had Connor Williams in my top fifty and when it came down to it at the end, So I'm okay. If you're telling me that Connor Williams is going to develop into a quality starting NFL guard, by all means they did
the right thing I expect them to. Yeah, Like I'm yeah, I don't feel and the money was never got at all because you're right, Dave, the player is not going to allow you. I'm not coming to you. I mean he's thinking, oh yeah, Cowboys eight million dollars. Yeah great, you know, no way, no way. That mean we were all dreaming that, right, but reality was fourteen million dollars solo Owen's Mills, which Maryland. You know the fact that Earl didn't get something done at one o'clock on Monday
gave a lot of people cause for optimism. I thought, you can survive another day, you had a chance, which clearly was not the case. Well, if you can survive today. But well, okay, either way, Yeah, regardless, point being is we're right back where we thought we would be anyway, which is they're gonna wait till the second wave. I will say, if there's one thing, you know, I'm not trying to pump sunshine, but I think the caliber of player that's still left in free agency at this point
is better than it typically is. Especially it's I mean, every safety in the league was available in free agency this year, it felt like, and a lot of those guys are still out there. So it ain't gonna be Earl Thomas, but you can still upgrade that position. Quinn Cyprian,
you mentioned you mentioned the Chargers guy. Are those guys better than Jeff Heath, because I mean, that's who's gonna se get knocked off the Yeah, this is I'm not going to pretend that I've studied tape on all these guys, but I have to believe you can find a better safety than him at an affordable price. Sometime in the next week, people will argue about Sendejo from from Minnesota
used to play here. Yeah, no, I'm saying, but I mean, I think there's medical concerns there with the concussions and things like that, so you need to check more into that. But you know, yeah, I mean to me, this is where we're writing about Jeff heat today. I would have liked to have been able to get a safety here because I'd like to put Jeff Heath back in the role on special team I felt like struggled last year.
I want him give Keith O'Quinn a chance, you know, and poor Jeff Heath plays you know how many how many snaps Jeff Heath played a game? Oh, he plays andy on defense, and he plays all um on special teams. He plays one hundred and twenty snaps a game. You know. I want Jeff Heath to be a big part of this football team and just don't necessarily want him playing snaps on defense. Yeah, yeah, no, thank you. See. That's where that's where I think the Earl Thomas thing was
very That's where I was excited about it. Sure, But but you have to draft, Brian, I love to draft, and then he if you don't have if you don't do it through the drive, then you know the guys here, I absolutely love draft. You watch you watch these teams every week when they play the Cowboys. Is there a guy out there that would make you feel better about safety? Well? Would you know Gibson he signed with? Well, no, I'm saying if he was available, because I saw him play
a guy that's on the street, a guy that's not signed. Quinn. Quinn's probably the best guy out of that of the of the guys that I mean that was with the Lions. You know, you talk about him. I would love for them to be interested in Trey Boston, but that they never weren't last year. They never have. Yeah, they never have. Yeah. And there's people out there in the Cowboy fandom area that that, oh, Boston, you gotta get bought. You know, he was available until June last year. Nobody, nobody, nobody
went there. Took so much as a whiff in front of the drives, are busy hitting mark ingram And it's it's curious, Like I said, it's it's Wednesday perfect back by the way for the Ravens there's a lot of there's a lot to come, but man, it's gonna be it's gonna be confusing. If they are trying to upgrade this team with just a second and a third round pick. I don't think that's going to work out well for them. Yeah, it's just kind of an arrogance of like top ten,
top ten roster though, let's talk about that again. We talked about top ten roster. That's not good enough for Jason Garrett because they he finished eighth, right, he finished eighth in the final standings, and so if he finishes eighth again, I bet he's gone. Okay, So now now be a top five now instead of instead of talking about free agents, so we need to talk about the head coach. That's that's the trick. See, But that's that's a great lunch room conversation. By the way, who could
coach this team into the top four. It's not gonna change between now in the start of the seas. It's so it's not like that doesn't do anything for me, Like this isn't Jason Garrett like not making these moves because if you're you know, everyone knows that it's easy to spend other people's money. So I mean, if I'm Jason Garrett, I am trying like hell to get them to spend every bit. Like the guy at the Jets, a generalman, Mike mc kicking at the Jets. Yeah, keep
keep spending. It's gonna be somebody else's problem. You know, it's not my problem anymore any more. The words of Shaggy it wasn't me, It wasn't it's I mean, he got to the divisional round with this roster last year, and the way it looks right now is they're going to ask him to do the same thing. Maybe I mean Travis Frederick coming back. Maybe when you say I mean, you say, prove it year to players all the time, Jason Witt maybe helping in the red zone. Prove it
year for DeMarcus Lawrence last year. Okay, go out and prove you're in all pro he did, like, go out and prove you deserve another contract, Like we're not going to give you, Earl Thomas. Just go make it work with what you've got. You did it last year. Prove that this football team can handle success because they haven't shown it. They come back from fourteen, they were bad in fifteen. They come back in sixteen they were decent,
but not good enough in seventeen eighteen. For me, every other year, let's see if you can handle success with a little bit of a target on you that, oh, this is a good football team, will act like but okay, fair. But that more so than anything in free agency or anything else that is that is what frustrates me as somebody who follows this team, is they are currently not setting themselves up to do that because they are in the early stages of a standoff with arguably their best player.
They're arguably their best player who needs a surgery that could sideline him for multiple months, and it doesn't sound like he's going to do it until he gets a deal. So is this team really going to get better and sustain success if DeMarcus Lawrence isn't it? I mean, okay, forget training camp OTAs setting the tone for these guys, letting could this team survive without DeMarcus Lawrence? What do you mean by survive? Could they survive? Could they win games? Shirt?
I mean ask you this, Are they capable of having a bad season even with him signed? Yeah? Of course anything. I mean he could break his fifth metatarsl like three quarters into his first game. But with the just with the fact of you've got Taco who hasn't done anything for you, and you don't know what's going to happen with Gregory and Dorrence Armstrong is just seems like a guy right now. No, I don't. I don't like the
fact of not having a defense. In fact, I mean that's a top priority the way the way that this I mean, if you include the fact that DeMarcus Lawrence is staying away, you couldn't play games with this defensive line right now. You don't have enough, you don't have enough bodies, and you don't have enough talent so survive I mean no, I mean they're not going to achieve
their ultimate goal. Without DeMarcus Lawrence. You might be able to win some games, but you mean you want to go back to the post DeMarcus ware years where you're you're you're already looking at me like, oh, broadness, you're gonna start pitching when they have no pass rusher? Right, we finished the season with twenty four sacks. How did that happen? Oh, well, you didn't pay your best pass rusher. Are Jones gave up nine touchdowns this year because well,
is he more? Okay, let me ask you this. You're paying a guy, is he more eight sacks or fourteen sacks? He is more? I get the guy plays to run, love it, love it. I think he's like a baseline of eight with fourteen to sixteen as the ceiling, like any I mean, and you know, injuries factor into that, double teams factor into that, the other talent on the line. So I put it like a like a basement of eight and a ceiling of like sixteen seventeen somewhere I mean,
anywhere in there? What's he closest to split the difference? Ten? You want me to peg this guy's sack total? I want you to try nine months ahead. We're just doing radio today. You signed him, you sign him for let's say you sign him for five years. I bet he won't have less than Oh? Is he can become the guy that all of a sudden we give the money too, and then when he doesn't get sacks for like three or four games in a row, assuming fans are losing
their minds? Yes, assuming am I right? That happens with anybody, does it? Yes? Yeah? Big money to every player that gets a big contract. Everybody about you guys, is he closer to eight sacks or sixteen? For the money you're gonna get him? Probably closer to eight. Well, you said fourteen and fourteen fourteen, it's a tough one. How about it? Go twelve? Okay, but you have to look at other things aside from just his own personal numbers. You sign, you sign him to a five year deal. Here, I
bet you he'll hover. He'll hover between nine and twelve. Fans, Nick, No, that's not good enough for fans. It won't be good. It won't be good enough for fans, Thank Hill, Crawford. Nothing's good enough for fans. I mean, all right, good enough for you. Twelve sacks? Okay, eight sacks, good enough for you. Zeke Zeke gets a huge deal. Okay, Okay, let's say he every time he has an eighty yard game, it'll be but when the Rams from the page, let's say the Rams game ended the season with a strong
forty seven yards from him. Yeah, after and he gets this big deal. We're gonna be talking about that. Got more breaking news here, Ian Rappaport, Let's go Jamay's Ali Walles with the Dallas Cowboys. That is that not what you wanted? To hear, Nick, is that not the news you were looking for? We can move on, Kyler. Murray didn't measure the day. By the way, do you see that? What first pro day? He didn't remeasure. They're trying to say he faked it, like did he put like risers
in his shoes? He he did not remeasure at the pro day. From what I was told, our fans don't care about that. Save that. Save that for the draft shots. Yeah, what what is that? Roy Williams? It looked like Roy Williams, we're watching TV. We're bad. Yeah, like y'all, this is bad radio. This is bad radio. I just want to know, though, I just want to know if you told me DeMarcus Lawrence could reliably get to double digits even if it's only ten, on top of everything he does against the
run and the attitude that he brings. I think that's worth it. Does he deserve to be the top one of the top paid defensive ends just playing the run and getting eight sacks. I didn't say eight, I said double digits, but ten. Okay, But what else is he doing in the line? Is he allow all other guys to get to the quarterback? That's another thing. If he's not the one registring there capable of paying this guy
and him having a losing season. That's everybody, Like, that's any position, that's I mean, that's the risk of football. What do you want? And I mean, what do you want, Brian, what do you want? I'm just saying the price tag is a lot, but sorry, that's the going rate for guys that affect the quarterback like that. I mean, if you want to trade him, like I mean, you talk, go back and listen to the draft show segment we did. I'm at least kind of go in that direction though
I'd rather sign him. But like if you if you're telling me, would I rather trade him today or draw this thing out until July? And now we're like, well, he might be ready for opening Day, and like all of a sudden, he's not good because he didn't have a training camp and isn't completely healthy and all this other nonsense like Dez Bryant. Then just rip the band aid off. I would rather rip the band aid off
than draw this out into this big, frustrating thing. And that's the point I was making earlier, is like this team doesn't seem to ever want to let itself build momentum. Like, if this is your guy and you like him and you're convinced, just bite the bullet because the market dictates that's what he's worth, and that's just what it is. And I'm sorry, playing hardball is only going to hurt you in the long run because all of a sudden, he's not wearing pads at training camp. He's out there
conditioning instead because he didn't have an off season. And he's not the player that you got used to watching for two years because he didn't have an off season. And now all of a sudden, it's his fault that he's not getting sacks because he didn't have an off season. I'm already pissed off thinking about that, and it will be very frustrating if that's what happens. So if you're telling me, get ready, if you're telling me those are
my two options, you're ready. I'd rather rip the band aid off and get some draft picks than do that, honestly, and that and I hope that doesn't happen because I think the world of the markets. Okay, I'm good, No, no, you okay with you? Okay with trading this guy? Yeah too? No, I don't want to trade him. I'm not trade him. I don't because you're like trading him for what? Like? When are you going to try to get better? Like
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that they're just too consistent. They're just too back and forth, back and forth they I think a lot of it's arrogance. I really do. I said it earlier. I think that they have this arrogance that you know, we do this the right way. This is how we do it. This is our approach. But after twenty two years of not making it to the super Bowl, it's not working. Flip it up. Why do you have to wear blue every single day? Why why fix it up, change it up,
do something different because this isn't working. I mean, it's working to a point, but it's not. I mean, why why are you not more active in free agency? And why did you plan to not be active in free agency? That's my big issue. It's the only thing not to do it, and I'm just gonna leave it at that. But they're planned to not be active in free agency.
It makes a good point for a team that prides itself with we talk about in signing its own, they didn't sign one of its own right now, right They didn't go aggressively, aggressively and sign a guy that that we just talked about Dave. I thought you made some excellent points about the player and what he could bring. And you know, you're you guys are right about the
injury stuff. I'm glad everybody talked about that. But you think if they're going to be you know, sign your own, sign your own, go out and get this done, Go out and get go out. And and Nick talked about the word momentum or Dave talked about the word momentum. You know, it does not exist here, It does not exist. You're right about that, you know. And I like to blame the coach because I do and I always I always do, and I and I think that they're not
better because of the coach, you know. And you talked about it wearing blue every day and being the same guy and all that. And you know, the guy showed me and I make a joke of he showed me three NFC's Championship hats every time I try and fire the man. But something needs to be done there, you know, And and hopefully this is the season where it is done. Hopefully this is the okay. You you've you've exhausted everything
you've done, You've you've done the you could. It's not good enough, move on, you know, and I know Cowboy fans will be happy about that, but again it's another year. Well and they're not better I think because of the coach. That's me mate, Like I said, I mean, that would be fascinating. I mean, you'll never hear like a real answer to that. But like, what if this is a prove it year in this You're like, no, we're not gonna prove it year for the quarterback. It's to prove
it year for the coach. Well a lot of people, let me stick, let me stick prove it year for me. Let me stick with Jason Garrett for a second. I mean you know what I mean. What if the front office is like, we're not gonna money whip these guys and invest all this stuff in the salvaty coach come in, just start over with a new coach who like hates
half the decisions we made. And you're like, hey, Jason, but he won't not to cut you off, he won't hate the decisions because that'll be the decision make it of Jerry hires you or not. Well, that's okay with that. You know, I don't really like Dak. I didn't thank
you have a good day. I didn't. I didn't mean Dak so much as like an Earl Thomas or you know, if you bring it in these ballyhood free agents, and then point being is like, hey, Jason, if you want a contract extension and you want security and all that stuff, you made the playoffs with this roster and go do it again. Go. I mean, if you're a great coach, you should be able to take this to another level without all this crazy help. And I'm not saying that
that will work, but maybe that's their mindset. I don't know. And like I said, they would they would never admit that it was true. The talent on the field has not necessarily always been the question. I think the Cowboys have always had good talent, good enough talent to get you where you're trying to get to. The thing is, and it just that's the reality comes down to the coaching and what the coaching is doing and what they're
not doing. You can get to where you need to be with these players that you have, and every year that passes by, you know, I like talking about the life expectancy of a player that's just being wasted every year. Look at see going to his fourth year. Yeah, that's unacceptable and it really upsets me. And let me shut up before I say something bad. You know, one thing that is going to be different is the schedule. I
mean there's no question. Yeah. Usually I don't like to say that everything can change, but I know New England's gonna be good. I know the Saints are going to be good. I know the Packers are going to be I mean they're gonna have Aaron Rodgers, and I know that the Ram Rams Rams Saints. It's gonna be tough. Yeah, tough looking schedule. Philadelphia will be back, probably with what they're doing. Probably got two wins from the Giants thanks to their wheeling Zealand. No, you gotta play with the
Bills though, you gotta stop that guy. True, you do have to stop Colby's got to stop the sauce. I mean there's a hint of there's a hint of sarcasm in your voice, but like, watch him, just watch him, just torch him. Is it? Do we agree though the roster is good enough to be a top four roster? Do we agree that the top four team we'll see in the in the in the NFC East, in NFC see the top four conference in the conference. Oh yeah, okay, when you include the AFC, I'm a little more reluctant.
But yeah, the Saints. The Saints are better and they were a top four team in the FC last year. Yeah, they already were. They beat the Saints. That's it's you try not to let the last game color your opinion too much, but man, they just they got outclassed in that game. I know, they only lost by eight, mickey, you'll tell me that. And they you know, they scored more points than everybody else. Like, they got outclass badly.
It reminded me of of like high school football, of like a five four a team playing a six eight team, because what is the difference when when you see that they all have skill players, but usually it's it's yeah, you just can't when you watch Alabama just whipped down. You know, somebody like a Central Florida is pretty good all, you know, and they have good skill players, but if they played Alabama, they wouldn't get many yards on the
line of scrimmage. And that's what it felt like. You couldn't run the ball, couldn't definitely couldn't stop the run. It was an eight point game. I mean you know, the Rams led by like fifteen, but like, like it's sound like players then more than coaching. Well, I think, I mean it all goes hand in hand. I don't like that's I'm not willing to just finger point one specific area because yeah, like they got who I am, they got out talented in that game, but they absolutely
got out coached too. Yeah, And that that's my point is you try not to let that color your opinion too much. But like you watch that game and you're just like, man, they're not that close. Like that's the opinion I came away with. I see it very well. You know, Yeah, our view sucked. So you felt good coming out of Seattle. You felt good coming out of that game, but then you get to the Rams. It's just to hit a reality. Yeah, sure felt like it.
Maybe it was just a bad day because we've seen that defense play a lot better against human log was hurt, Yeah, shoulder, you're right. Well, I think I think when teams figure out how to how to run the ball and really move them around. I mean the Colts and the Rams that they had so many things going on when their passing game that I think they allowed them to just have these gaping holes and run the ball. I mean
they were as a defense you get lost. Yeah, they were out schemed in the Colts game and the Rams game. You know, and you understand it when girl's doing it, but when like Marlon mack is doing it, You're like, what's going on here? So you saw some holes there at the defensive defensive line. I mean who you got? Malie Collins and Antoine Woods are good players. I like, I feel good about that. Well, you need more there? Are You not concerned with the injuries from Elie Collins?
I mean he's I mean, he's a good player, but he battle all last year with the same type of injury he I know, Yeah, he's had. He's dealt with injuries every year of his career, and I wouldn't be surprised it's a contractor year for him. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last year. But he's a good player. Yeah, I don't have a problem with him. But there's nothing in the way of depth behind them, right you. I mean, I know there's it seems like
there's optimism that Randy Gregory could make a comeback. You certainly can't count on it again. You're you're keeping your best defensive lineman out of the building on purpose right now. So it's it's hard to feel good about that. And that's my point is I hear everything you're saying about the coach, but they did not look talented enough to beat the Super Bowl runner up, Like they played the team that lost the Super Bowl and did not look
remotely as talented. And they have not done anything to upgrade the roster. And you know, if they don't want a money whip Earl Thomas, that that's fine with me. Honestly. It's again the frustrating thing for me is sign our own, sign our own. They got their own. They asked him
to prove it. He did, and that it stands right, yeah, because if you're gonna tell me, sign my own, sign my own, sign your own, it's like which, you know, if if DeMarcus Lawrence had gone out there and had a disappointing season, they would not hesitate to low ball him. They'd be like, well, this is what your play on
the field dictated you were worth. But he had a really good season and made another Pro Bowl and they're like, whoa, we didn't want you to prove it that much like now you're too expensive, Like you asked that, you asked him to do that. You could have signed him last year or tried to at least you asked him to up his value and he did and you don't like the result. Sorry, It's like a Saturday and you have like a to do list of like nine things and most of them are shopping, but one of them go
to the bank. You're gonna do that first, right, and go to the bank and do that. Yeah, and now you can go maybe do the shopping you need to and that, and they haven't done that. You can't and that's I mean, you can't have the rest of these conversations until you do something with him, honestly, and that doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon. And that's a bummer. All Right, I'm gonna change the subject a little bit.
Doesn't seem like y'all really want to talk about Shawn Lee, but we have to because it is something that the Cowboys did do during this past week, which was restructure his contract basically gave him somewhat of a pay cut and got some incentives in there. You're being nice because this was really like one of those slash slash it down. It was okay, but with some incentives in there thrown
in there. But as always, we always look at fans response and a lot of the responses I was able to read after this happened was why why I even do that? Why not I get rid of him and save more money? He doesn't do anything, He's always hurt blah blah. You know, same story that we always hear. What are your thoughts on this signing and what the Cowboys did there? He doesn't do things that they see.
He does things that that the Cowboys see. And I know it's not always about, you know, behind closed doors, but in this case, I do think that that he can he could be a benefit to this um, to this team. And you know, he still he still can make some plays. But again, like Dave said, you remember the last one, and you know a lot of it too, is his scheme and and the Cowboys are going to have to with Witten and with Lee, They're going to have to realize that two thousand and twelves not coming back.
It's like that's gone. Don't put Sean Lee out on the field on the biggest play of the season, third and seven or whatever I'd like to have. I'd like to of Layton vander esh out there instead of him. I think he could have got off that block a little bit better. Is they gotta have that? They got to quit this arrogance of like that Sean Lee. It's Sean Lee. Is it not fair to say? Though that on and you grade the tape on the whole Sean Lee played a better game that night. Then, I don't
think anybody that's a good point. I mean, I don't think give up five hundred yards two hundred seventy three rushing yard. They didn't get off blocks. They the fits were bad. I mean they were bad overall. This one is true. Wasn't good, No, he was. He might have
played the worst game of his rookie year. Yeah, And so I don't know, this is one I don't I don't understand the consternation because you took his price down and there's incentive, like if he plays eighty percent of the snaps, he can earn a lot of that money back. He probably won't like that. He's your third, maybe your
fourth linebacker. He's nice insurance and all of the intangibles that he brings to the table that Nick mentioned as well, That's what I would have done, as that point to a TV what signed Tyrod Taylor to a two year deal? Oh oh yeah, okay, yes, I would have done that. That's one move that I do like. Sorry, Coop, I know you like Mike White, I do, so maybe we should, you know, you know, we'll see what happens this summer.
Having having Sean Lee here does an upset like you're not you're not going to take a twenty three year old pro bowler off the field more than every now and then, I don't believe that has anybody fallen further than Shawn Lee. Seriously, No, this time last year we were all talking about how we can't play defense without she was the hero and nobody wanted to linebacker. And now and now all of a sudden, it's like, get
this guy off our team, which tacos him. The two guys that everybody wants to go after money, Well that the funny thing, and that's hearns. The other thing that makes me chuckle too is they're like, get these guys off the team and then we can go sign these guys, Like what about this? Don't you understand they would not use that money even if they cut those guys, right, they're not going to do it. So the fact that Alan Hearns what happened with the does money right, they've
carried over like twelve million dollars. They they're not going to sign those types of deals even if they had Alan Hearns and Shawn Lee's money. So you might as well have a versatile, good attitude wide receiver in the locker room and a versatile alpha dog leader linebacker who can step in if your pro bowler gets hurt. Like, these are good things and they're not breaking your cap. They're a little more expensive than you would prefer, but
you wouldn't be doing anything with that money anyway. So get over ten against Buffalo, Shawn Lee has to make a start, yea one of those better better Sean Lee make a start than than Damien Wilson, Right, yes, exactly. Well, here's a comment from one of our fins on Twitter. Why not make Shan Lee a coach? It does not cost cap dollars because coaches can't step in and start
for you in week ten and Buffalo. Yeah, that's why you've been really Arguably Christoph Shire one of the three like best leaders, best football character guys on this roster. He is still capable of playing at a high level. He showed it this as recently as this year. And he's not costing you that much money. And even if he's costing you more than you would prefer, you wouldn't be spending that money anyway. So what are we mad about?
Oh no, we're mad. What are we mad about? Because we how That's why if Sean Lee plays more than like forty per not forty like, he's gonna play like thirty percent of the snaps barring injuries. This is the Layton and Jalen Show. There's no question. And so again, like, I'm totally okay with this. I'm just so I'm yelling at you, but I'm really not. You know what I mean? You yelling at Joe and Flower mount I'm yelling at Joe and Flower Mountain. Did this team get better since
the show started or did it get worse? Because I don't think it got worse, but it didn't get better. Well, did it get worse because the one guy that everyone was like, you know what, it would feel a lot better if you just went out and got Earle and that went away. Didn't we really did they get better because they got Jamay's Jamae's It would be easy to
poke fun at him. But like for all their love, like they don't even for all the love, they talk like they always have a fullback they did, blah blah blah. They don't use them anyway. I know, I know he dropped a touchdown in Indianapolis, but like they don't use him anyway. From what from what this is, Nick's not
getting better theory here. Yeah, from what I've heard though, and this isn't gonna get anyone excited, but I think that they're gonna try to use him more in the offense, and not so much as a fullback, but more as one big runner. Okay whatever, I know, I mean, let me okay, whatever, Okay. You know he's one of the fastest players on the team, not enough. He's an athletic guy, not just at like his position. You line up the whole team and he's one in the top ten. It's obvious.
It's two hundred and sixty. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. If we haven't seen it, you can go, but we don't. I just said I remember this from when they traded for him. Um, he actually doesn't matter special teams. He led the team in special teams, and you use that speed to run down and kickoff's camp. Sorry, he he housed the touchdown from like eighty yards away when he was in Oakland against the United States. No, it was not in the United States, was in Mexico. Like, he
is totally irrelevant. I just wanted He's an athletic guy. I know they if they want to use him more, that's great because like, yeah, honestly liked they didn't use him last year at all. Like I don't know this
percentage of snaps, but I know it's not large. Does our attitude change if they somehow get this contract done with a defensive end in the next week or so, Yes, if my attitude changes, if if DeMarcus Lawrence is here for the start of the off season program and I can count on him a camp captain's workouts and he's out there kind of leading everybody. If I get to work and he's leading the defensive line, I mean they still have work to do. That's not what I'm saying.
Like they I think they need to sign a safety. They need to bring in another defensive end who's capable of starting. What if? But I would feel better if he was in the bild. What if those two options you just said are no longer really on the table because they didn't sign him two weeks ago, three weeks ago, a month ago, because they I kind of waited till now. Cap space is fungible enough that I think you can do that. You can get it done, even with DeMarcus
on the tag. You can make those things happen. And it's not going to be the guy that gets you excited and makes you run out and buy an earl Thomas Jersey. It'll be more of what we're used to. Go get a Golden Tate. But Golden Tate would that's a step up that would get people excited. Yeah, I'm with that, but even you know, if you know, I'll just using a name because it's in my head, Like if they signed Glover Quinn. Yeah, I can get down with that. It's better than what they had. It's not exciting,
but it's a start. At this point, If you don't sign Golden Tate or Sue, no one's going to be excited. Honestly, I think in terms of like getting the average fan excited, that flew the Coop when Earl signed, like, that's gone. That was a that was a gut punch. But you know again, I'm not trying to own we're done so we could keep going. Are going to go today? What time we do in our periscope or at the at the risk of sounding like an apologist, I don't care
about getting people excited. Just make the team better. And still I still think that they can do that, but I'm not optimistic that they're going to row. Well, let's hope the next week we will be talking about some exciting things that the Cowboys did. In the meantime, let's just keep our finger crossed and hope that this team does get better. Floyd and Brian Brunnis Nicki Men, David helm and Andergarcia. This has been the Break on Dallas
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