Cowboys Break: Is Dak Top 5?

The Break, presented by Geico. We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, I got Nick, Amber and Dave with me. We're talking about the quarterback today. We want to spend a little time on this quarterback carousel in the NFL. There's a lot of things happening at the quarterback position. Probably unprecedented that we've seen this much movement of top line quarterbacks around the league. We'll talk about how that affects DAK and negotiations with the Cowboys.

Will also get into our the second half of our offensive review. Last week we hit the quarterback position. We also hit the wide receiver position. This week, we're going to talk about running backs, tight ends, and offensive line. Let's start first with this quarterback carousel. Nick, give us a level set, like what are you what are your expectations or what are you hearing? Maybe just thinking about where things stand right now between the Cowboys and Dak Prescott.

I really don't know. I mean I to sit here and say that I know what's going on would just be a lie. I mean there's there's I don't. I don't know how much they've talked. I mean there's reports that they have talked, but I mean I've learned a long time ago that just because they say they talked about a trade, I mean for how long? I mean, what were these talks? Hey, how's it going? Let's get a deal done. I do think that the you know, not knowing what the salary cap is kind of limiting,

you know, the talks a little bit. But I still think that, you know, they know it's close enough to actually get something going. I would imagine knowing March ninth is such a big important date that there are some talks here, and because I think both sides really want to get a deal done, I do believe that, and I think because of that, and now there is a deadline, and deadlines make deals, I guess, and even though we've passed about four, I think this is the biggest one,

and I think that they'll get a deal done. That's my gut feeling. The big news came out last week that Matthew Stafford was traded from the Detroit Lions to the Los Angeles Rams. The Rams gave up two first round picks, a third round pick, and their starting quarterback, Derek Goff. Dave, I'll ask you when you saw that news,

what was your first reaction to that that deal. My first reaction was honestly like, Okay, well, there goes one options because in this weird world where you have to consider every possibility, I do think you know, one of the few things that makes sense for that would have made sense for them to do, other than pay Dak, would be to try to get Matt Stafford out of Detroit. You know, he's got a manageable contract, he's still fairly

young for a quarterback, He's obviously from Dallas. YadA, YadA, YadA. So I mean it made sense for a lot of reasons. So as soon as that happen, I was like, okay, well, however, you know, that might have been unlikely, but it was one of the most likely things, and that's off the table now. On top of that, it just serves as a very timely reminder that drafting a quarterback is not

always a guarantee to work out. Because Jared Goff was the first quarterback taken in his draft class, and the Rams wanted him gone so desperately that they gave up a first for Stafford, and then they gave up another one so the Lions would take his very large contract, and that was a guy that they just paid what

like two years ago. So it's just, you know, you never know because and you know, everybody's talked about it incessantly at this point, but Dak is the only quarterback left from his class that's either hasn't been benched, traded, or cut by the team that drafted him. So it's a crapshoot. Even if you have a top five pick, you never know. It absolutely is. And when you look around the league at what all is going on, you have that trade that happens, you got Deshaun Watson and

Houston who reportedly wants to be traded. Whether they will do that or not, who knows. San Francisco reportedly wants to move move Jimmy Garoppolo. They are eyeing support, supposedly Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. You got Drew Brees expected to retire. Ben Roethlisberger probably should retire. I don't know, maybe he decides to retire. But all of that, you look at all these quarterbacks that are moving around and some of

them not going to be playing next year. And based upon the hall that Stafford was able to command from the Rams to Detroit, what do you think Dallas could get if they were to tag Dak and try to trade him. That is the scenario that I am not entertaining because I don't want it. I think that I am good with Dak. The trade. That trade was insane to me again, and I feel really good about what And I know it was a small sample that we got from Dak last year, but still it made me feel.

You know, in the past, I've always seen Dak as a type of player that needs others around him to make him better. Well, last year my mind started changing and I started feeling the other way around to where I feel that Dak is able to make other players around him better. So I liked the way he was

trending up, and it's just hard to find a quarterback. Clearly, as you can see all these changes, it is hard to find a good quarterback that can give you what you're looking for as far as all the traits on and off the field. Now, one thing that I will say, I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but it just pisces me off that the Cowboys are always so slow to make moves right after the offseason. You always see other teams making moves right away and they

got into it even in free agency. I just feel like we're always kind of behind. And it really bothers me because you see other teams moving and then you're like, okay, we're kind of getting at the bottom of things to where you're left with not many options. You know, so you guys have been here longer. Why do you think that is? Because it really bothers me as far as how long the Cowboys always wait in order to get

deals done. Well, it's by design, right and Nick, and I'll let you kind of talk to this a bit. To me, it seems like it's by design that the Cowboys have made the decision, the conscious decision that they don't want to be players in the big money free agency. They want to be players in the bargain basement shopping. And again, whether you agree with that or not, that's been their conscious decision. Yeah, they're not trying to set

the market. And this particular year is different just because you know they are waiting to see I mean I think they're kind of hiding behind that just to say, well, we don't know what the cap is. But there's also another side of it, as if anybody would know what the cap is, it would be Jerry, you know, it would probably I think he has an inside check on

that idea of what it might be. So uh, yeah, I don't They've never been one to set the market and they've never been one to really follow what other teams are doing. And this is but there was a time you and I were back here during a time when they go early on. For you, you remember that that one year when they got here, they got well, well that year, like you're talking about Terrence No No, when they got no No, they got like, uh, there were three guys, I think they and they had press

cons for all three. Like the day free agency started, it was a birthday was that it was a cornerback. Yeah, it was a Henry marco vera yeah, and Jason Ferguson. There you go, And they were all priority. Been a long time ago because two thousand, two thousand and five, yeah, two thousand and five, three press conferences one day, and neither one of them was really that great. Pretty good, It's okay, it's pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah, I think. But do you guys think that they should

change the strategy? Yes, I've been saying, We've been saying for years that we think they should change the strategy. I mean we talk about that every spring, and I mean yeah, like they aren't big spenders in free agency the other Yeah. And you know, for whatever reason, the Cowboys insist that it has to happen on a deadline.

And Nick, I know you said that they've let a lot of deadlines pass already, but not on any drop dead deadline, right, And that's what March ninth, March not what That's what March ninth is starting to feel like, is like crapper get off the pot type of moment, and for whatever reason, the Cowboys just feel like they have to let it get to that point. I don't really know what I will say this though, and I don't want to be the revisionist history guy, so I

have to say I actually was. And this is going back to those days of the early two thousands, Nick, you and I were here when we saw them go out and give up two first round picks for Galloway, and we saw him give up picks for, you know, for Roy Williams. And we saw them have that year when they went and got Anthony Henry and those guys.

So there was a perception here in the early two thousands that the Cowboys would always think they could win the Super Bowl in free agency and they would go out and they would spend, they would go out and give up picks and they'd get guys and it didn't work. And so for me, I was one of those people that at that time, I was like when they kind of made the shift, I was like, yeah, build it

through the draft. You'll have a better chance to building through the draft because you're not doing well trying to build it through free agency. So I think what we found out in this whole process is both types of scenarios can be flawed. It really comes down to if you're gonna be hard, and free agency you still got to get the right guys. You still gotta if you're gonna spend money, you gotta make sure you got the

right guys. I would have loved to see them have that strategy when they had Will McClay having more of an input in what the guys that they were getting. Maybe it turns out a little differently. But we've seen both sides, Nick, We've seen we've seen the good and the bad of free agency. We've seen the good and the bad of just going through the draft. And I don't know that there's a science that has to work

here or has to not. I don't think anything has worked though really when I think about it, I mean twenty five years, they haven't been to the super Bowl. I haven't been to the Championship game in twenty five years. So taking it back seat, and you know they're not going to change the GM. So you can sit there all you want, yell at the computer and say that's what they need to do. I will argue that they

do have different gems. They do, they do it, and the GM is the voice in the decision maker's ear, and that's what I think is changing I think Jerry doesn't make as many decisions as you think. But either way, if they're not changing all of that, then they need to change the approach. And we've seen all kinds of different approaches and nothing has gotten to the decision to the championship game. Yep, okay, but that sort of insinuates that's just it kind of insinuates that there's only two

extremes that you can adhere to. I don't want the Cowboys to splash one hundred and fifty million dollars on the first day of free agency. I don't think most fans want that. You just want them to be willing to take calculated risks. You know. I'll bring it up every time this comes up until I don't do this anymore. Sign Tyron Matthew for a one year, seven million dollar deal. Yeah, go get those types of players. Add good players to your team. If you have to spend some money, do it. Nobody,

you know the Giants. That's the thing I think about when we talk about this is the Giants signed Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, and Genorris Jenkins all on the same day of free agency, and they had to cut or trade all of them within like three years. Like, that's not what I'm after. You just gotta be willing to do more than scrape the bottom of the barrel, which is what the Cowboys insist on doing. Yeah, I'm with you.

I look at a guy even like Minka Fitzpatrick when he became available, like, go and get that kind of guy. He's young, he's a really good player. I don't care if you don't think he fits your scheme, didn't make your scheme fit him, Like he's a good player. And I think those are the types of things I agree

with you, Dave. Those are type scenarios I'd like them to take a chance on a little more frequently, rather than making a big splashing free agency or rather than going out and just saying we're gonna go all bargain basement on free agency and try to build it to the draft being said, and you would have been fine, I mean, sitting back now, you'd be fine with having Mina Fitzpatrick have to sign him, which I think they

would and not have ceedee lamb. And because it wouldn't it have they would have parted a first round pick. I mean maybe, I mean, I don't know what it meant could go for did they have to give a first round pick for pretty sure they did? Yes, they do. Yes. Um, you know you don't know what you have until I mean, like, yeah, you don't know, Like you would have still had you would have still had two really good wide receivers. We

had that conversation last week. You got you you you have an embarrassment of riches at the wide receiver position. Right now, right now, I will tell you, and you guys say this all the time. I'd love to hear how you think about it. But if if you're telling me you're going to get for the first time in a very very long time, a game changing, playmaking type safety, would you be willing to give up a premiere wide receiver for that? Uh? I wouldn't. I mean, I'll be

you know, with hindsight's always twenty twenty. I would be very happy if this team had make a Fitzpatrick and I would have never known that they would have missed out on CD Lamb, Like we never would have had to think about it. So, yeah, Lamb's on this team. But if you told me I had make a Patrick instead, I wouldn't be upset about it. You know, since I started working here and learning about the draft and the

process and all of that. I've always heard this sentence that it always annoys me, now that I know the game a little bit better. But it's this idea of drafting for the future, and I get the concept behind it, but I've been here for what like six seven years? Where when is the future happening? I mean, where has

that gotten you? No way? Really, So it's it's just frustrating when to me, it's always that mentality of drafting guys, and you have to draft guys, I get it, But at the same time, those guys come with the need of development and time of playing out in the field and you're turning and molding this player into something better.

But sometimes you don't have the time for that, and you look at the veteran players that have departed and the transition to a new, younger ruster and all that, but still you need veteran help and sometimes you do need to make a splash in free agency and made that move, And it might not happen this year because we're talking about Dak Prescott and the quarterback position, so

that's gonna be the biggest splash this year. But It's just very unfortunate that years come and go and you never see that kind of help coming to the team. We're always left with little like crumbs, and not that crumbs are bad. Sometimes they're good, but you sometimes need a little bit more power and strength rather than because I always watch it, you know, on social media, you see other teams making move and you're like, man, when are the cor was gonna do something? What are we

waiting on? And we're always like towards the last weeks of free agency making moves, And it's just like a little disappointing, disappointing because you do want those veteran guys to be able to come in here and make an impact right away. I'm gonna change the car conversation just a bit and I'm gonna go to you Nick first on this question. Is there a price tag of what you could get back that would make you want to consider trading Dak Prescott? What would that price tag be?

Two number ones? You would do it for two number ones? Yeah? Yeah? Would do you at all consider the fact that when you look at and Dave alluded to this a little earlier, when you look at the hit misrate of quarterbacks even the ones selected in the first round. Me and my wife were actually having this conversation last night. If you go through and think about the best quarterbacks in the NFL,

we couldn't come up with other than Watson. We couldn't come up with a single quarterback that you consider one of the top tier guys in the league right now that was selected high in the first round. Like you start going through a list of Rogers and my Homes and some of the other guys we threw out there there, Russell Wilson, and if you want to put Dak in that conversation, I'm not sure, but you know, you just

go start going down this list. These are not like the top guys Wentz Golf, Like, those are the guys that you're having problems, Like you're thinking that was a wasted pick. So if you've got two first round picks,

are you sure you can get a replacement for Dak Prescott. No, I'm not sure, But you know, ask the whole group though, because I'm gonna get to them, because I feel like when I watched the Super Bowl and I see the championship game and I see these guys that are playing, I see guys that are playing, and I, you know, look at the guys around them. I don't think that there's a lot of top There's not a lot of

high drafts around them too. If you want to talk about high draft picks, these top quarterbacks that you're staying, they don't really have a lot of high draft picks around them. I mean, I think that Davante Adams has turned into a star. I think Rogers has helped with that. I don't think he was a top pick. I don't think it's Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelcey were top picks. I know that nobody can seattle all up there was

the top pick. So I just feel like, you know, those guys have done well to develop the guys around him. I think Dak's got more help than others. And I'm not one hundred percent sure that Dak is is great. I think Dak is really good, but I don't think I don't know if he's shown that he's great. So there'd be a risk in trading him away. There'd be a risk and signing him for forty million, because I think you're seeing down in Houston what happens when you try to say, go win it for us, to Sean,

and that's that's gonna be. That's hard as well, because they took a lot of his talent away from him, and I don't think he's all that best talent from him, no doubt. That took his best talent away from him and thought that, well, forty billion, let's go win. And you know it's hard. It's hard to do that. So it's risky either way. All right, Dave, is there a price tag in what would it be? Yeah? So this is actually something that I brought up on the Draft

show and some people pointed it out to me. It's very fair to point out Dak has veto power over somebody trying to trade him, because you can't trade him until he signs his kind of his franchise tender, and if he doesn't want to sign it, there's nothing you can do. You can't you can't do anything unless he's willing to sign that. So if you were going to trade him, you would have to okay it with the team trading for him. Okay, okay, with Dak and his people.

Get everybody on the same page that this is something they want to do, and then you can do it. So it's let me jump in real quick, let me jump quick, real quick. I would think it's probably because of the fact that he would be on a franchise tag. Most likely whoever would be trading for him, they would want to be talking to him and have a long term deal already set up in order for them to say yes, because that kind of takes a while with

his agent. Oh but you know that's the point, like that I have to happen, Yes, of course, But all I'm saying. All I'm saying is, you know, if if the Cowboys wanted to ship him to Houston, where the culture just seems like a disaster, he could say, hell, no, I don't care how much you're gonna pay me. I'm not going there. That looks like a train wreck anyway. So the point being, yes, there's a price that you could pay me to get me to listen, but it

would be high. And the scenario I came up with yesterday wash if the Miami Dolphins approached me about giving me the third overall pick, the eighteenth overall pick, and two a Tonga Viloa for dak, I would be sorely tempted. I would be sorel I would probably I'd have to at least give it a lot of considerations. To say I would do it was shaking your head like you wouldn't do that, But go ahead, Dave, I don't. I don't blame Derek if he's hesitant toa didn't look great

last year in the opportunities that he got. And then if you're picking third in this draft, Trevor Lawrence and likely the second best quarterback is off the table, so you're picking from the third best option and maybe a guy you know in two of who could be good but didn't look like you know, he didn't look like the next Mahomes in the opportunity that he got last year. So I don't know, man, I'd be pretty scared to be the team that sent away, you know, a top

five quarterback. And I legitimately believe if you take out Brady Breeze Roethlisberger, I mean, Roethlisberger and Breeze aren't even good anymore. Anyway, you take out Aaron Rodgers, who is very close to forty years old, like once you weed out the guys who are getting close to retirement, Dak is a top five quarterback and it's basically in arguable. So I would be very hesitant to do that. But there's a price you could throw at me that would make me listen. And it starts with like two or

three ones, and maybe a quarterback prospect as well. All right, Amber, is there a price? No, I said it earlier. I'm closing that door. Not interested. I don't want to take the risk. Looked, look was help way too many other problems to add another one at his uncertainty of the quarterback position. And again there's a lot of question marks right now, but at least we know what Doc is, what he can be, what he was kind of becoming and trending to become. So I just I don't want

to add another problem to my list of problems. I want to even if it's just a year, I'm focused on twenty twenty one, two, twenty three or twenty four. This year. I want to have him and then figure out and all this other mess, especially around defense, and we got to figure out the old line. So I do not want to add another area of concern, of uncertainty of like, oh, we don't know if this is really gonna work out. At least with DAC, with Doc,

we know what he is. Yeah, I agree with Amber on this, like, there's not much that a team can offer me. I mean, it would have to be so obscene that I would be like, I can't pass this up, Like five first round it is like something so crazy to where it's like, well, I absolutely cannot pass this up. But I'm just a believer in I think the history of it shows no matter where you select them, it is a crapshoot to get a quarterback that that's gonna stick.

And and I but the flip side of that is you don't have a shot in the NFL if you don't have a quarterback, like you are not gonna win. You just cannot win without a quarterback in the NFL. And so from that standpoint, if I have a guy that, as Dave says, I agree, is a top five quarter quarterback in the NFL, I feel really good about that. There's not much you can give me that makes me

say I'm gonna I'm gonna trade him. Like it would have to be something that was so just crazy that that that it would have it would force me to trade him. I know we got to take a break here, but I want to say one thing to Amber's point about I got you know, other problems. You know, you realize that signing a guy to a forty million a year contract isn't really going to help you drastically fix those other problems. I mean, you're still gonna have them,

and it's gonna even be harder to fix them. But but I get the point of, well, you know, at least you got the quarterback and you can go win. But you also got to remember this too, Derek, about when you said you know about what you wouldn't trade and all that, you gotta remember who's doing the deal, and it's Jerry, and it's Stephen who in the negotiations.

And if they feel like they are far away from making this happen, now do you if it gets down to it, you know, it's gonna be a different It's gonna be a different scenario for them knowing we're really closely just getting a comp pick for him. So if they know that, you know, if it's hot or cold in the trade, you know, then they may need to say, you know, it might change their thought a little bit like well you had to get something like oh they

should have got more. They couldn't get more because the time was running out. The good example there is what's happening in Houston right right. When you get to a point where you know you're not gonna keep this guy long term, then you gotta get something, So I get you. If you get to that point they don't fel like they're gonna be able to do a deal, then they get what they can get, and hopefully it would be

a big haul. I'm just saying right now, based upon what we've heard, is that both sides want to get a deal done. I'm not entertaining the idea of trading him right now. For me, he is a valuable commodity. He is a guy, and I'll take your scenario like, I don't even care if that means that I'm gonna have a little less talented other positions in order to keep him. What I've seen is you could still win championships like that. What I've not seen is the flip,

which is winning a championship without a good quarterback. Like the only time you do that is when you have an excellent defense, and this defense is so far from being excellent, Like that's not even in my rain of my frame of reference right now. So I just think you're much closer to getting where you want to go. If you have the quarterback in place, I'm not willing to give that up. All right, we're gonna take our first break. When we come back, we're gonna talk a

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about quarterbacks and wide receivers. Now I want to talk about running backs, and I'll start first with the fact that Zeke Elliott's yards per game have declined every year of his career, hitting a low this year of sixty five point three yards per game. What are your expectations for his future here with the Cowboys. Let's start first with you Amber. My expectations, um, how many years does he have left on his contract. I forgot even four or five. Does drop the Foe's eva. It's out there,

I solve the chart. He's the farthest one though, right in his way. But you know what, I'm not ready to give up on him. As far as my expectations, I do think that he can be better this year. Last year was very unfortunate, disappointing, But at the same time, it wasn't like he was the only player playing bad. There were so many other players that you expected the same, expected them to do better as well, and they just didn't. So that's how I see it. It wasn't like just him.

So I am expecting him to be able to come back and help the Cowboys. I'm expecting them to be able to run the ball a lot better. But that will only happen if you get the right help in the old line. You need to reinforce the on line, get that better. Don't know what's gonna happen with Tyrn. I'm sure we're gonna talk about him later, but those are things that you need in order to have seek seek become successful again. And to me, I don't care about this whole oh where the NFL is a passing

game league type of thing. I need to be able to trust my running game and I need to be able to them to be powerful once again. And I think Zeke still has it in him. He still does, but only time will tell. Right now, I still have hope, but it's gonna take for us to get into this next season to really see if he is still that kind of running back. Dave Well, as we alluded to, I mean, the contract, the contract kind of makes it

a mood point at least for two more years. You can get away from it without having to do anything crazy after the twenty twenty two seasons. So you got two more seasons at minimum with Zeke, and at least in my opinion, because I think I think he is a good enough player. I mean, I think it's it's silly to think you're going to trade him for something worth trading for. And I think you're a better team with him on the roster than without. Like, he's not so bad that he needs to be off the roster.

That's silly. So you run it back hopefully, you know, hopefully the offensive line is healthier, Hopefully your quarterbacks play is better, and I think he will look like a much better player if all that happens. I've said this a million times since the midpoint of last season. It's a shame that you're saying that about a ninety million dollar running back, like for the money, you know, I mean, throw up the best plays of Alvin Kamara's season or

Dalvin Cook's season or even Aaron Jones. It looks vastly different, Like Zeke didn't make plays like that, and if you're worth ninety million dollars, you should be able to make a few plays like that, regardless of what's available on your offense. So yeah, I mean, I think it's it's fair to say maybe he can get back there, But right now, Zeke is not one of the top top

tier running backs in the NFL. And that's okay if you have talent around him, and hopefully they will, so that's kind of I'm just we're getting a disappointing return of investment on this contract, but I'm optimistic that they can correct course here next season and the season after that. Nick, Yeah, I mean, who have you not had a disappointing return from a big contract that you've had in the last five years. I mean, you could even say Zack Martin.

Jack Martin has been really good. It's been a little disappointing in the last year just because he got hurt. That's it. I mean, he's been outstanding other than that, though everybody else is. I don't know if it has met the expect and kind of a function of a bad team though, like they just played bad as a team. So it's hard to really point out some people that's like, oh, hey, but they were good, you know, well I don't. I don't think so it's you get paid individually. I think

you can get you can get reviewed individually. And I don't think that DeMarcus Lawrence has met the contract that he's done. I know Alan Smith hasn't. I know Zeke hasn't. I mean Tyrant Smith is, because it's it's not really a great deal, you know. Lyle Collins did his first year after then he got hurt last year. So it's hard to say that Amark Cooper he's been Yeah, Amark Cooper, you can say had had a good year for that.

But I mean, get ready, I'm just saying, what do you h No, I'm just saying, I mean, none of them are is gonna be what what backs deal is and in the scrupany for that is you know, I mean, he's got to be you know, he's got to be Superman. He really has to be, especially with the deal he's about to get. So well, you know, I go to quarterbacks. They're the only put player on the team that win loss record goes with him, and championships are part of what you talk about with them. So I think that's

going to be the expectation. When you make forty million, fans are gonna be looking around saying, we need to be in some championship games and we need to be in some super Bowls if you're going to be worth the money you're getting paid. This this setup of you know, WebEx or whatever, it doesn't really allow us to have

these great conversations. But like I said something earlier, I'm curious to see what everyone thought about because I said that I think Dak is a good quarterback, and you guys are saying that you think he's a great quarterback, and so I think maybe, I mean, I'll let y'all where, like, where is he being great? I don't under I just don't see. I'm not a Dak hater. You have to sign him I'm signing him. That's what I want to do. I don't want to do anything else. But I it's

a risky because I think he's good. I don't think he's great. I mean, I don't know why. It's all based on a curve. So you tell me what quarterbacks in the league are better? And and as Dave, like Dave threw it out there, like, I don't think there are a lot that are better. I really don't. But just because there's thirty two picks in the first round doesn't mean there's thirty two first round grades. So again, I mean, I'm not that logic. You can apply that

logic the same way. Just because I mean, just because you don't think Dak is amazing doesn't mean that there are very many quarterbacks that are better than him. Okay, but I mean, but but they're asking, but that's no what. But my point is is that is that here we are. He's got to get paid like a great quarterback. He's got he's got to get paid that that way and the Cowboys. You know, I'm just saying it's it's risky.

I just don't know where people that that love Dak and they say he's been doing great, and I'm like, butt where, Okay, I'll put it like this. I'll I'll put it like no, no, no no, I'll put it like this. If you've watched Dak play, I think, yeah, have you have you seen moments where you're like, he does extraordinary things that other quarterbacks don't necessarily do, or that only a handful of other quarterbacks do. And I think there are things like that that I look at him, and

that's that's the other reason I'll apply to golf. That's one reason why I don't think golf is that player, because when I watch golf, I think a lot of the things where he makes plays they are based upon scheme because he has a wide open receiver, because his coach was able to scheme up something for him to have a wide open receiver. I have not seen him make a ton of plays and I was like, Wow, that was an amazing play that was made by the quarterback.

And that's how we think about all players that we think are great. They make plays. We do it number of time in every game that you watch Pat Mahomes, You're like, oh my god, that dude's amazing. I think Dak has moments like that and So that's what makes me think he is a great quarterback. Dak makes plays for this team that otherwise would not be made. There.

I'll put it like this. He makes plays for this team that we didn't see made during the other part of the season when he didn't play this year, by any quarterback that played, that's the difference. But you're comparing them to the backups. No, I'm just saying, But I'm saying, if you're gonna compare quarterback, you're gonna talk about who is great and who's not. The great ones they make those plays that we didn't see, those plays like you don't see those plays when you watch a lot of

quarterbacks in the league. There are Again, he is among those players in the league. That's probably four or five up there that make the kind of plays that without them, you don't get that play. Okay, but I think I think you're talking about athletic plays like get off me type things where he's big, moves the ball. Then right, that's right, he does make those do not count? Right, It certainly counts. Let me finish my point. That counts. And I'm talking about third and nine slant over the

middle of the ball, wasn't there. His accuracy is not Okay, So if that's the case, I'm just saying he doesn't make all the throws he's that's fine. He's a good quarterback. He's a good quarterback. You're gonna have to pay him like a like a great quarterback. I think he's a good quarterback. I think the argument that you're making is in order to be great, you got to be great at everything. And I don't think that's the case for

all quarterbacks that you're calling great. Name a quarterback other than Mahomes that's great at everything, like, there isn't one. There isn't one and so and so. My point is, yeah, he might have some holes in his game. There might be parts of his game where he's better than others. My point is, can he make plays that other guys don't make? And I think that's what makes him a great player. And I do think that's the case. Okay, I just I'm gonna just agree to disagree on this one.

I think he's a good player. I think his supporting cast is better than him. Go ahead, Nick, if you let's forget about the money, Let's forget about him not being under contract or anything. Let's assume he's under contract for a fair deal or whatever. Would you still be looking at other quarterbacks to bring here or would you be okay with having him as your starter? Um, I don't know. I'm not sure how that applies, but I'll say yet, because I wrong way you're You're you're comparing

money to the quarterback. And that's just that's not about being great or good or whatever. That's just part of the business aspect of it, whether you like it or not. There's money and a certain amount of money that's involved in making these type of deal deals, and I think that's how you're looking at it. You're comparing the money to the talent. And I think that it's just by default, that's just how this league is structure, and that's just kind of what you have, no no in order to

keep a quarterback. All I'm saying is is that if you ever seen like a boat, Have you ever seen a boat parked in an apartment complex? You know, or Lambordini or something like that, And it's like why, yeah, But it's this it's all about people's priorities, which you're different. And all that's all I'm saying is is that I know you're so you're saying this team is an apartment complex and Dak is a Lamborghini. What I'm saying it's about to be that what we're saying about it be

that way if you pay him that way. And so when when you take out money, Amber, I don't I don't think you can take out money, because that's what I'm talking about here. Is he good enough to play on my team? Of course, of course he's good enough. But all I'm saying is is that you're putting that money in there, and I wonder how it's gonna how it's gonna affect the other other teams, because if you go and look at all these other contracts, I don't think the team has done that well. But I would

also prob but I would say this. I will also throw this out there. If you look at where Dak is in his career, I think you'd be hard pressed to find quarterbacks at that stage of their career who were better than he was at that same stage. And that's where again I think you have to project a little bit. Here is he where Aaron Rodgers is right now? No, no, no, but but but my point is he's on the trajectory of I think what great quarterbacks become in the NFL.

You look at Tom Brady an early part of his career. It wasn't great immediately he went to the Super Bowl media, but that was because he had a great coach, he had a great defense, he had a great running game. And that's the same thing. Dak had the benefit of having really good supporting casts around him when he first started. That's what got him off to the start. But you look at how his trajectory has gone, and you see this last year. This last year, for those games that

he played, that offense was running through him. He was the reason that the offense was going. And I understand the record was what the record was. But beside that fact, the fact is that he was making plays for this team. Gets he was getting no support from the defense. He was getting a team that was turning the ball over at a rapid pace. There were a lot of things

that were going against him. But if you just evaluate his play, I think he was playing at that level of that next level quarterback, and I think his trajectory is ascending. Day. What do you have on this let's talk about running back. I don't I don't think I

have anything to add that Derek didn't already say. Uh, and Nick, I'm not I'm not putting these words in your mouth, but I don't think you can discount the backup talk because a large port sand thought Andy Dalton was coming for Dak's job and thought that he should, and people people in the national media were saying as

recently October. As October, I believe it was Tony Tony Dungee that said this could be a blessing in disguise that Dak got hurt because now the Cowboys can get back to ground and pound and all that stupid crap, and how that work out. How much better did Dak look than anything that Dalton or Garrett Gilbert or Benda Nucci was able to throw out there? I think, yeah, I think I said it last week. From the time of MARII Cooper got here, the ways that he has

grown as a passer are incredible to me. I mean it, like Derek said, it all runs through him. He can make every freaking throwing the book. I mean, how many dimes have we seen him drop on Amari or some of these throws down the seam where he threw cdee lamb completely open, which, by the way, was everybody's knock on him that he could never do that. He does stuff like that in his sleep these days. And on top of that, he's much more athletic than your average

starting NFL quarterback. I believe he's got twenty three or twenty five rushing touchdowns. And that's why I'm you know, I'm terrified by these comments from Jerry Jones that he needs to do less of that. I couldn't. I could not disagree more. That needs to be part of his game forever, as long as he's healthy and mobile enough

to do it. Like I said, I think when you take out the guys who are getting closer to retirement, Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers are the only quarterbacks in this league that I think you can definitively say are better than Dak Prescott. You know, if you want, if you want to say Deshaun Watson's better, I'm not going to argue with you, But I don't think you can make a bulletproof case that that's true. That's the going rate for a guy that's in the top five, and

I feel totally comfortable paying it. I don't know if that means he'll win the Cowboys a super Bowl, but I think he gives them a better chance than going back to the well. And I'll make this final point too right before and if you have some melt in their news, but but if you but if you watch other other quarterbacks, even some of the really good ones, they miss throws two. And I think sometimes we watch our guys because we're watching every moment of their entire career,

and so we see all the warts. Uh, and sometimes it has a way of kind of making you forget about all the great moments. But I look at these other games, and I'll watch these quarterbacks and they miss them too. I know Aaron Rodgers. I watch games where Aaron Rodgers just doesn't seem to hit some open receivers that he should be able to make those throws. It happens sometimes. Yeah, well then then something needs to change.

As far as I mean, you hope that the offensive coordinator and dec will be able to work together this year more than they did last year, as far as on the field or whatever. Because as as much as the boy genius has been talked about from the offensive coordinator standpoint, one thing that they completely sucked at last year, regardless of who the quarterback was. And that's getting off

to a good start. So what's happening between Monday and Saturday that they takes them too long to get going here and and and that, and you know you can say, well that's two years in a row now. A lot of Dak's numbers have been late in the game. Who do we put that on? I mean, offensive coordinator and whatever it is, because whether they're getting hollow stats, whatever it is. Even the NFC Championship game against the Packers, they were down so bad early. I'm not putting it

all on Dak. I'm saying that they got to figure that out. He needs way less stats. If he gets way less stats, he'll have more wins, you know. I mean, if they can do their damage early on and then lean on Pollard and Zeke, maybe I'll should say it Zeke and Pollard either way, lean on those two backs. And I think that it'll be better for DAK than to try to throw their way back into game and get all these five hundred yard games with a loss.

And part of that is on this defense. If their defense can make some stops early and not put them in a fourteen nothing hole. Then yeah, it creates a better opportunity for your offense to be able to instead of going basically, we're gonna go eleven personnel and throw the rest of the game. You don't have to make that decision. You can you can have some variability to what you're doing on offense. All right, we're gonna take

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about the running back position. We had started a conversation on Zeke and his his number of yards per season. There was another interesting thing that stood out to me as I was looking at running backs around the league. There were only two running backs with more than twelve hundred yards last season. That was Derrick Henry with two twenty seven and Dalvin Cook with one thousand, five hundred and fifty seven. Zeke's nine hundred and seventy nine yards

ranked eleven in the league. Now I want to give it perspective in twenty nineteen, he was fourth in the league with thirteen fifty seven. He was first in the league in two and eighteen with fourteen thirty four. So you know, you gotta put it in context. Last year what could have been an aberration because of two years before that he was right up there in the top five,

one year being the top rusher in the league. My question for you guys, is is Zeke still a premier running back in the National Football League when compared to his peers. Let's start with you, Dave. I mean when you say premier, I mean he's certainly like he's one of the only feature backs in the league, like in terms of like a guy who doesn't really share the workload.

And I mean he's he's obviously a good player. But I think I said that in the last segment, Like I forgot Derrick Henry, So Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara, um say Quan when he's healthy, Aaron Jones, Like, I mean, I don't think of Zeke in that conversation, not right now? Well then that's what I was asking. Yeah, he's not a good starting running back. Yeah no, okay, Amber, I mean not right now, not after the kind of season

that we saw. But like I said before, I think he can get back into that group and that conversation. He has gone down further from the group, but I mean he's still kind of up there a little bit. I mean, it depends how you're looking at it, but he he's still a guy that he has certain skills

that it's hard to find in a running back. And it's like I said before, it's unfortunate that we didn't get to see it this past year, but I'm still not giving up on him, and I think he can get back into being one of the running backs that the NFL talks about as a high running back. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you're asked me last, because I would just say irrelevant. It's kind of like what David

said earlier. It's irrelevant whether or not he is good or not, or top five or top ten because he is the top number one running back on your team, because that's what the contract says. And that's what you know when they drafted him fourth overall, they they knew they were going to have to do a deal like that, which m and they did and so and he deserved the deal. You know, he had played to that level.

But that's what got Jerry Jones in trouble a long time ago, was paying these guys in the nineties from what they have done and not what they're going to do. It's hard to project. It's really hard to project. I do I agree with both of them. I think that they can. You know, He's he's good right now, he's on that second level. But you know, Zach Martin, Tyrant Smith, Lyell Collins, Dak Prescott, they're they're really they're really good for a reason, and they're and that's why that they

make a lot of money. Are going to make a lot of money. So get those pieces around him, and I bet Zeke looks better. Yeah, you know the one thing. And I'll say this like, I think, as bad as the season was, relatively speaking for Zeke, I think there are a lot of things that suggests to me that he'll be back to that thirteen hundred to fifteen hundred

range in yards next year. If those guys are back and healthy, if you've got his offensive lineback, I totally expect he'll be back in that range, which means he'll be up there. As I said before, there are only two guys above twelve hundred this year. He'll be right back up there in that top five next year if those things fall into place as far as the health of those guys. The one area of his game that I still have not seen him ascend to the level that I thought he would when they drafted him is

his ability to catch out of the backfield. I remember having a conversation with Gary Brown at the time that they made this pick and him talking about how, hey, man, this guy can really catch the ball. I think one of the best parts about his game is that he can be a guy that can get catch balls out of the backfield and make something happen in the open field. We know he has ability to make plays in the open field, he just hasn't been consistent in catching the ball.

And there are a number of times this season and really throughout his career when he's at opportunities and just doesn't make the catch. And so that's a part of his game that I really think. I would love for him to invest more time in that part of his game because I think if he gets better there, I think his total yards would be much better. I think he'd become a much better weapon for this team, especially knowing what you got at wide receiver and a tight end.

I think you got guys that can clear out space for him and leave him in situations where he's only got one guy to basically beat, And I think in those situations it would be a great matchup for the Cowboys. He just hasn't been consistent enough catching the ball. All right, let's move on. I just I mean, I'm gonna sound like a jerk because I already said that I think

Zeke is going to rebound. But I sort of take issue with the idea that Zeke is great at making plays in the open field, because that's been his biggest problem. As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care how many Russian yards he winds up with, like that's a volume stat and especially with a guy like Tony Pollard behind him, Like I don't care if Zeke has fifteen

hundred yards. I care if Zeke makes a couple of people miss and turns a four yard gain into a twenty two yard gain, or if Zeke slips the tackle on a screen and goes sixty yards, Like we haven't seen that enough. You know, he did it as a rookie. He's done it. He's shown that he's capable of doing it. But that's what's been missing from his game. And I know there is value in consistently getting four yard hammerings, and that's what you hear from Jerry Jones and Mike

McCarthy when this comes up. There is value in that. But that's not why I'm paying you fifteen million dollars. I'm paying you fifteen million dollars to catch the ball up the line of scrimmage, juke three tackles, and get forty yards down field. And that's what's been missing from Zeke's game. But I don't think he's had a lot of open field opportunities because, to be honest with you, not this last year he had guys on him before

you get get the ball most of the time. I mean, I don't I don't think there were a lot of those opportunities this year. You do well, then that's on him, isn't it. Not Necessarily if the offensive line isn't well enough where he has those opportunities, that's on the offensive Why old on, let me throw this part into this. Doesn't matter if you're in the open field, if you're in the middle of the pile, if you're up by twenty, if you're down by four, if you're playing with the

starting tackles or not, dacks of corbat doesn't matter. Fundling is a problem regardless, and that was his number one issue last year. It looked like he it just looked like he wasn't mentally focused at times. And that's hard to judge that about Zeke. I mean, he's kind of that way, a little bit kind of spacey, and sometimes I do think he's fo most of the time, but some of those fumbles just looked like they what you put it on because I actually think he was trying

to do too much. I think a lot of those times he was He's trying to get that extra yard and not not thinking about ball security as much as this extra yard. Maybe that's that's my point. Then I'm not saying he's over here thinking about playing Madden. I'm just thinking that, like or whatever. I'm just like, the focus wasn't always there, And maybe he'll admitted at one point, but you know, I think it wasn't as much fun when Dak was out. I could totally see that. I

could absolutely totally see that. Yeah, right, No, I was gonna say I know I wasn't having fun. Now, I wasn't getting blasted twenty five times a game, So there's no ways he was having fun. Um No, And I mean there's something. There's something to what you're saying, for sure, but that kind of goes back to my point is for fifteen million dollars a year, I expect you to make something out of nothing. I like that's I mean,

I expect that, and it's not. It's probably not fair, but welcome to the NFL, I guess no, I mean, honestly, I think it's absolutely fair. I think when you start factoring in the money, you pay guys big money because you expect them to be able to carry the team. I mean, what we've always said since Zeke has gotten here is this offense runs through Zeke. Last year he had an opportunity for it truly to run through him,

and it couldn't like it wasn't moving through him. And part of that is I don't care how good of running back you are. When you don't have offensive line talent, you're not gonna be as productive. And that's just the nature of it. That's not there's nothing we're gonna get around with that that's just the nature of it. Especially with his style of running. He is more of a I think he's more of a bruiser back than he is a an elusive you know, I'm gonna make three

people miss type guy. He's not Barry Sanders. So so that being said, like, I just don't think without blocking he's going to be as effective. All right, let's real quick before the question real quick? Um, well, Elier, I think it was Nick that brought this point up as far as contract, and I mostly know about the Cowboys because I'm here and I see it on a day today. Basis, when it comes to giving a guy a contract and then we start seeing somewhat of a decline, are not

necessarily that person meeting the expectations of the contract. Is that something very common that happens around the NFL just in other teams, that guys get a contract and then the next year they're just not really being as productive as you expected. Or is that something that mostly we say here with the Cowboys happens everywhere every year, every job. Probably Yeah, by the way, every year, huh, what'd you say? Why does you get so much crap? Why? What? Oh?

The Cowboys? These players every time they get a contract with the Cowboys, it's like, um, you're you're attacking them so so much. And I'm not saying us, but just everyone in general. So that's just something that's mostly common around the NFL and just something that kind of happens by design every time you give a big contract or extend a contract. But let's be clear. Let's be clear though, I don't think. I don't think that the great players in the league. That doesn't happen. So I think what

happens is guys that have a decline. Then fans feel a little duped because they're like, we thought you were one of the great ones, and the Cowboys paid you like you were a great one, and you're turning out to be not a great win. You're turning out to be a good one that's being paid like a great one. And so I think that's where it kind of comes in, like, so we never have any great ones. No, I don't think that's the case. I think they have some great players.

But I think it's also a function of the fact that, again the last twenty five years, this team has not been good. I think there's been two guys in the last great I think two guys in the last ten years that have probably been that signed a really big extension and continued to play that way. I would say three. But go ahead, who you're two, Tyrn Smith and Zach Martin. Are you saying how long? I just went back ten years.

I don't know, okay, because I was going back to Witten and and to Marcus and I think they I think they played up to the level of their contracts. Yeah, I would even say Tony did. Tony played up to the level of this contract. I never thought Whitten was breaking the bank anyway, man, I mean, and again that's true. Yeah, but Tyrn didn't either, right, So I don't think Tony actually, I mean Tony play up to this contract. Yeah, I don't think. Not thirty it was like thirty million a year.

I mean, and it's it's hard. It's hard to do. I don't know, it's hard to do. You know. I love Tony, but but I mean just even a Marty Cooper. I mean, Marky Cooper had a really good year this year. Let's see, let's see what happens. But I mean, back to her point, I remember one offseason where they did like four guys like two thousand and eight, they did. All these guys needed new deals, and none of them were good, you know, I mean, none of them lived

up to it. It was Terence Newman, it was Marian Barber, Ums Hamlin, Hamlin, Yeah, all those guys. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's hard and it didn't work from there. Yeah, none of them became better players. And the main reason, too, is it goes back to, like d Law, everything you just said about the guy that's really good, that's paying great. I think him d Law, And I'm thinking, but but do you want to like not pay him? No, you can't. The problem. Can't pay that now you have a hole.

And if you don't pay the guy, just like if you don't if you didn't pay Zeke a couple of years ago, you run into that problem. And it's hard. It's a it's a hard deal. I guess maybe what Amber is saying, maybe we should all stop start changing our expectations and just expect that he got the money. But he's still the same player, and the same player is gonna be good in some some games, maybe not so good at others. I don't know, He's not going

to be better. We gotta keep you got to keep arguing, like, we gotta keep doing that. That's what keep shows like this going well. Not not only that, but I mean, and you know, I mean I'm the first one, you know I would I think DeMarcus Lawrence he's not playing up to the con track that he's on, but like DeMarcus Lawrence is still a hell of a player. So

I think it's important to keep that in mind. But at the same time, every Tuesday, these guys direct deposits hit for like a million and a half dollars a week, So that that's my like, deal with it. Oh, people are mean to you because you're making too much money. You know, you know how much I would care if I was in that situation. People take my way to the bank. Yeah, I would laugh my way to the bank every week and be like, how how much money just hit in my account? So they can deal with it.

But a g I promise you it ain't. It ain't a cowboys thing. Literally, I mean the Rams just the Rams just bagged the Lions to take their number one overall thick off their hands. The Eagles. Everybody in the Eagles fan base hates Carson Wins like a year and a half after he was the savior. Uh, you know

the Niners don't like Jimmy Garoppolo. I bet you. I wonder how much the Bears love Khalil Matt because I know he's still an amazing player, but how much is he helping them accomplish their goals of getting back to a Super Bowl. They're having the same conversation, you know, fans are having the same conversation up there as fans of the Cowboys are having about DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, it's very very rare that these guys live up to the

expectations that the dollar signs put on them. All Right, So here's what we're gonna do real quick before we in the show. I want to get Super Bowl picks once. You just really quickly tell me who you think is gonna win game versus Kansas City and Tampa Bay. Let's

start with you Ampa. I think I won't be mad on whoever wins the game, but I would like to see Kansas win again because I don't know, some Brady has done a hell of a jog over there, and the way he came back and made it happen and made it all the way back to the Super Bowl. But man, that's just gonna be a one record, very hard to beat if he gets another Super Bowl. I don't It's hard to see a quarterback to get that many wins. So I would vote for Kansas Okay, Nick

going with the Jayhawks. Also, stop those kids, Kansas City? I think, Yeah, you know what, I agree. I don't want to see him. What's he getting? What's he got six already? Yeah? No, man, no, But but then again, if we're still doing this show in fifteen years, we're gonna be like, remember back when Mahomes only had one and now he's got nine. Yeah, I'll go with my Homes, all right, Dave, I'm not picking against Mahomes, but man, it would be. It would be the most NFL thing ever.

I like, I'm just I'm not gonna be surprised if the Bucks win. I know, I just basically picked both teams. So I'll say Kansas City. I got Kansas City. Would like to turn out the LSU Fighting Tigers have six players in this game, So Alice, who's gonna win no matter what because there's three guys on each team, So go Tigers. You know such a David response, isn't it? We have a teammate like on our staff who's like

Grandpa is the head coach, yeah of the Bucks. Yeah yeah, and we're connected to them now, I will say this, Yeah, I'm actually I don't want this to happen, but I think it's gonna happen. I think the Bucks are gonna win this game. I think right now, Kansas City is

having so many issues on their offensive line. They lost their best offensive lineman for the season in that championship game, and I just I look at that and it matches up with something that that Tampa's been doing really well here in the playoffs, which is getting after the pass of Shack Barrett has been amazing. I just I think that's going to be the story of this game. I don't even know how it happens, because I've yet to see a game where Pat Mahomes for an entire game

gets held down. But I do think this all is working towards something like that, where this is a situation where Tampa Bay pulls it out and gets a close win. We'll see how it goes, but I don't want that to happen. I really want Kanna City win. I like Kansas City. I'm rooting for them, but I don't think they're gonna win. All Right, We'll appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be back on next week. We'll maybe get through more of this offensive line break or this offensive breakdown.

We'll talk about the tight ends and offensive line next week. Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Helman, Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eughlton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.