Cowboys Break: Is Dak on the Hot Seat?

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be traveling to San Francisco for that. UM, so just know um that this week you'll have to check the schedule on the website to know when the shows are going to happen. Because they won't be every day. Definitely have a show to day. Definitely have a show tomorrow, and then it'll get a little wonky here for the rest of the week. All Right, how's everybody doing some more on the show tomorrow. I'm not on the show tomorrow.

I'm not on whatever show might happen Wednesday, I'm not on whatever show might happen Friday, not on any shows Monday. Then I won't be on any shows on Tuesday. So you're just going back. You're going back on your off season grind, is what you're saying. Pretty much. I got like a lot of meetings and stuff coming up here, so it will be you guys will be rolling. And that's why that prepare. You prepare them even when they don't know. They're preparing for for what the future may.

Oh my god. That's what we do, baby, what we do. All right. So uh, let's let's get into this and talk a little bit about the Yesterday Cowboys had a Blue White scrimmage. And for those to you guys that didn't see the scrimmage live, you gotta go back and watch it. I actually went back last night and I

saw it live. But I went back and watched the broadcast of it that the team did, and it was really really good stuff, not just watching as much as it was just the information that you guys were putting down. Of course, Dave and Nick Ron and we had Brian and Nate and Rob and Lindsay were giving sideline reports and they had interviews with different people that are that are part of the executive team of the Cowboys UM and then obviously you got to see the practice and

the scrimmage, so really really great stuff. If you have a connected TV device, that's the best way to do it, right there on your television where you can watch it, or you can go to our website or mobile app to be able to watch it as well. But let's talk about that. I want to go down the line and I want each to you to give me an observed observation that you got that or that you had during that time that you think would be interesting to share.

Let's start with you Nick. Well, I hate the words scrimmage, so maybe we would stop calling it that, but they're still gonna call like they have for the last thirty forty years. But was there any tackles out there? Yeah? There, I didn't see any tackle. There was a couple Zeke, give him the ball. He's good. He's good. It doesn't matter. I don't care if they're tackling or two hand touch or pulling flags or whatever. He was gonna have a few big, really big plays in there. That's how big.

That's how open some of the blocking was, that's how much he was out in space. I know there were some other players that really had some standout things, but I think we saw again that when he's on the field and he's running the ball, how effective he's going to be. And he's gonna make number four look better, which is needed right now for him to make him look better, make that whole offense look better. But it starts with Zeke. I thought he did a nice job yesterday.

I'm botter, no sorry, I just no go ahead. No. And one of the things that you mentioned the other day and you pointed it out yesterday again was when the defender comes running up to seek and basically tops it him and he's like, oh, bacle, you down, And you know that's that's not gonna stop seeking. He's gonna get those extra yards if not finished the run completely.

So that's always something to keep in mind and to figure out, Okay, sometimes the defense is not necessarily as great as we think it is, just because they're not able to go full on with it, or vice versa. The offense is not us great certain players, of course. But anyways, one of the things, Dan Bailey didn't miss anything yesterday. That was good, so good a good day for Dan Bailey. Aside from that, one of the things I noticed Rico and I always talk about him. I

mentioned him yesterday. He has been playing well, and you gotta give him that. He makes those catches, and I have I believe in the preseason game he's gonna make certain catches, probably get a few touchdowns, and then everyone's gonna get on the Rico hype train again and then it's like, oh, we got this awesome tight end X basketball player blah blah blah. But I don't know. We'll see what happens there and if the Cowboys finally do decide to utilize him. But as of right now, he's

looking good at certain times. I can't help but share this story, even though Nick already touched on Zeke, but it is it is hard to gauge a running back in these practices when a defender. All he has to do is shove him to end the play, which is why it was so impressive. Zeke scored from twenty yards out yesterday in a non tackle practice. I mean that

think about but think about what that means. Jeff Heath didn't touch him until he was on the one yard line from the twenty I mean against in the NFL. That's crazy. I mean, he looks awesome out there. He actually had a couple over there in the in the far and zone over here, he had a couple runs that were back to back. Where he was he I

don't know if he was that. He may have been a little bit closer that, but on both the back to back runs he got right down to to the end zone without anybody test he put the ball across at both times. Is that the play? Yeah? And there was another one right after that one, same thing, right. It was awesome. Um, Tavon Austin, he I mean, he he scares me because I don't sure a guy that

can jump. It's true, You're right, not me. I was about to say, you're probably talking about David probably talking about a sixteen inch vertical for me, But Avon's is a little better. Really, yeah, I can go hire that. Um, I'm afraid of falling in love with this guy and having it not pan out like you know, I mean, you know people, I would like to think they they weigh our words at least somewhat heavily, like we're not

lying to you. This guy looks awesome out here, but I want to see it translates so bad because he's doing everything. Like the first play of red zone with the first team, he took an end a round, he ran out of space on the sideline and cut it back, sort of got Taco Charlton hurting the process, but that's okay. He was fine, caught it up field, picked up like twelve yards. Uh. Five minutes later he caught an inside

I think on Byron Jones, I don't remember. And then two minutes after that with the second team, he went downfield. And that's what Amber's talking about. He's skied over char Various Ward and literally took the ball off his helmet and scored a touchdown. And that was from the exposition. He did it on the outside downfield, twenty yards downfield. He did a little bit of everything, and that's not even including special teams. Is. I mean, I'm excited about

what he might be. I just hope it translates to the season. Yeah, you know what scares me is I look at him out here and it's kind of what you're saying. I look at him out here, and he looks so good out here, and then I keep in the back of my mind thinking, why hasn't he become that great receiver with the Rams, Like he's always obviously had this ability, he's always been fast, extremely fast. Why hasn't it been better? Why hasn't his career been better?

And so that's what keeps me kind of at arms link. Absolutely just don't know. I just don't know. But my hope is that for a lot of those years he didn't really probably have the greatest quarter back, you know, playing with him. The Rams just now got to the point where you could say they got a pretty good quarterback. So they had some years there where you couldn't really trust that. But all in all, that's the part that

makes you a little nervous. But you gotta like what you're seeing so far as long as your expectations aren't, you know, number seventh overall pick that. That's what I think got him in trouble there with the rams, and rightfully, so you draft the guy that high. He's got to be a dynamic, you know, catalytic player every single time. And he you know, he's banged up something, but he

comes over here. And if he can be this role player, gadget type guy that gets the ball, he goes down the field, some side, decide some pump and return some and you're not counting on him to just absolutely be the savior of your offense or special teams, then I think you got a really good role player. We see it a lot in the NBA, where you see a guy drafted eighth overall. He's not good enough to do that.

He goes to another team. He's a bust. He goes with another team, he's the sixth man, seventh man off the bench. He's a really good role player. That's where he should have been along, But the first team had to justify drafting him that way and playing him that way. If he's your third best player, you're great the second round. If he is the best player you got in your offense, you're probably in a little bit of trouble. He reminds me a lot of Reggie Bush from my days as

a Saints fan. Just yeah, I mean which you know Reggie obviously he was a running back. He took the ball, he took handoffs a lot more. But for where he was drafted, he's a disappointing player. He's the number two overall pick. He was a nice compliment to that offense and had a very nice career in a lot of different ways. And that's why his rookie year was a year that impressed everybody because he wasn't counted on to be the man, but he made some plays that were

phenomenal for them. He was a crucial piece of the Super Bowl team. He just wasn't the guy. Leonard Davis. Leonard Davis was a guy that Cowboy fans will remember. Number two overall pick for the Raiders, no Cardinals, sorry for the Cardinals, and drafted you know, to play left tackle because he's you know, he got to take him, you know, that big guy. And he wasn't the tackle. He was a guard. He goes to the Cowboys in

free agency, made three Pro Bowls. You know, so it sometimes it takes a second stop to kind of figure out exactly what your role is and maybe this is it for him. I like the fact that we saw him down the field. You saw him go east west, and from what I hear from talking to the special team's coach Keith O'Quinn, he's like, we don't need to see him in the punt return in the preseason. We know what he's gonna do. Fourteen is gonna be back there,

Lance Lenoir. He's gonna be hold your breath on that one. He's gonna be doing the punt return duties for a while and then what Yeah, well, I mean he's that's not his thing. I mean, that's not his forte. He's doing great things the other receiver, but uh, you know, he struggled a little bit punt return. Let's see if he's better this year. I'm glad you brought that name because those were there were a couple names that you guys obviously didn't mention you he mentioned the names you did.

But I do want to talk a little bit about what Lance Lenore. He made an outstanding catch yesterday. I thought he had a pretty good day. And then talk about the defense, because it started off the offense was just humming there at the beginning of the of the practice. By the time you got about midway through and the later part the defense started coming on. They got several interceptions.

Anthony Brown gotta pick talk about talk about those two, talk about Lancelore, and then talk about that defense, particularly the secondary, and how they performed in the second half of practice. Would you say I didn't hear what you said. I was just I just basically say, once Chad got in there on offense, you know that defense started picking up. Well, it's the second team offensive line. I mean it's the second team offense. I mean great offensive line, very below average.

I guess that you would say, I mean none we talked about yesterday, None of these offensive linemen. Really you think, oh, he's gonna make it. I mean, Looney's pretty good. He actually got worked with the first team because Frederick was being held out. So it's just a huge drop off, of course it is. I mean, you can't draft all these first round linemen and then all of a sudden, so I think that the second round is good. But yeah, yeah,

the defense picked it up. Sorry, oh they didn't. Well, I mean I think I said on our on the TV broadcast yesterday, like it's just it's fallen into place for Lenore, like a game of you know, like the way tetris lines up when you're good at Tetris, Like it's all just fallen into place. Um, he made an outstanding catch on a fade route in the back corner of the end zone. He just keeps doing I mean, he does all the little stuff right, but then he

usually makes an eyecatching play at least once per practice. Um, it's early. I mean we haven't played a game, and we know he had his struggles in the games last year. You know, I want to see what it's like when Noah Brown comes back and there's gonna be some competition from other guys. That's the problem is it's so competitive and there's so few spots. I feel really good about the work that he's done, but he's I mean, he's

got to keep it up. He just bores me. I don't know what it is, really yeah, because he doesn't you know what, because he doesn't do anything like one thing like outstanding it to me, which which catches every freaking thing they throw at him. It seems like I'm with you, Nick on this one. It's like I see him being a great player doing like preseason games, but then regular season comes I'm just like, that's nothing against him.

That's nothing against him. It's probably more on me. I just like, you know, and you see you want to oh you run too four, two five, or he's sixty three or he's Noah Brown and he's like really strong, he's the best blocker. I don't see Lance Lenora as the best or even the top one or two of any of the of the skill sets other than show up at work every single day in the off season and catch every pass. I mean he did do that, which is why he's probably in this boat right now.

That's I mean, that's probably what Dak Prescott is looking for. Like we roll our eyes at you know, like after practice, like the guys lie on the ground and catch the ball and you're like, all right, are you are you do really working at this? Are you doing this for show? And you know he's there every day during the off season, like but you see it have results. Case in point, like maybe one of my favorite plays a training camp

last week. He runs a dig route. He literally slipped and fell fell on his butt, got up just enough to pick his arms up. The ball was already coming at him and he caught it from his belt butt base. Basically, it was a fantastic I mean it was only an eight yard game, but it's just that's that's the result of working every single day of the offseason. And no, you're I mean, he's not the biggest he doesn't make the most highlight plays, but he can play every position

in the offense. And I haven't seen him drop a ball since we got out here. I think, to me, when it comes down to it, if Lance Lenore sitting there, like, you know what, we can keep Lenore. I just have this feeling, and maybe I'm wrong. They just have this feeling that of all the guys that are going to get cut on that Saturday of receivers, I just feel like there's gonna be a lot of them better than him.

They won't know the offense. So that I'll say that Butler, every every single year we fall for a guy who we're like, there's no way he gets through waivers, there's just no way, and then they cut him and he gets through waivers. Not saying it's not possible, like he could be a great practice squad addition, but to my point, like when it comes time for that conversation, yeah I can, I can easily imagine a conversation where Dak Prescott is like, yeah, Okay,

that guy's more talented, Like, I trust this guy. He can do everything thing we need him to do in the offense, and I know where he's gonna be and I know he's gonna catch it when I throw it to him. That is the definition of Dak. Absolutely, that's it, and that's I trust fourteen to be where I need him to be. I didn't always trust all of the other guys to be exactly where I need him to be, not where the play needs to be, is where I

need him to be. I think I've said this before already on this show, but I really think if Lanceor makes this team, it's gonna tell us a lot about the sway that Dak has. I just think it means that he's got some pull in that room, because that's the main reason to keep him is because he works

well with that and he catches the ball. If the offense is built around running the ball and using the passing game as necessary, it is important to have receiving threats that are able to get open to catch that third and sixth ball and be reliably get open catch

it right. And so that's where a guy like Lancelor makes a ton more sense than even a guy, say like Dez Bryant, who is can make those spectacular plays, but as we saw last year, may not be as consistently, it may not sistantly catch that slant route and just to get you the first nun, I'm not there yet. With no no no no, no, no no no, I'm

not trying to say Lanceloor is better than him. I'm saying the point is, if you think about the philosophy and how the team is progressing at the wide receiver position, I think they've made the decision we prefer to have those less flashy, less and I don't even want to say less talented, but guys that may not be able to make some of those spectacular plays if they can be just consistently where they're supposed to be and catch the ball in those in those those critical downs, like,

that's what I think they're looking. Let's go. Let's go back to Rico really quick, and Amber's point about how well he's looking. He's looking. He's doing a nice job in the red zone. He plays the game like a basketball player, especially in the red zone. He kind of finds just like you would if you were posting up. You know, you use that big body, you look for the holes, you find it, and you you, you know, get that your frame ready to make the catch. Can they get the air to the red zone with him?

Is the question? Can he be a tied end that can help them in between the twenties at where you know it's third and four at midfield? Can he make those necessary blocks and plays like that down in the red zone he could be a weapon? Is that worthy enough to just have him on the roster just for those type of things? You know, yes, he can do well right there, but can he be in every down

type of tight end to justify his spot? Well, the one thing I will say about that is right now, I don't think the area where you would say he's deficient in blocking, there aren't a lot of other guys here at the tight end position who do it well. Not here, so yeah. But so my point is when you start comparing him, I think you're going to be comparing these guys and saying, Okay, who's best at catching passes, who's best in the red zone, who's best at blocking?

I think he's gonna fit favorably in a lot of those categories. Blocking may not be it, but I don't know that there are a lot of other guys who do. What if we don't make him in every down tight end? Like, what if would it be possible to just carve out a meaningful enough role for Rico on special teams to where he can be useful in that regard and then he only comes in the game once you get to, like the twenty five yard line. I'm all in on that.

That doesn't sound like anything Jason Garrett would ever entertain. But unless, of course, you don't have a guy like Jason Witten, you're having the peace feel it. Yeah, tell tell me that if somebody's kicking a fifty four yard field goal that he can't stand three steps behind the nose tackle one two three jump, That is gonna be a very tough That's gonna be a tough roadblock for any kick. And he can jump. He's tall, he's wide, and he can jump. He will block a couple of

kicks if they put him there. He will. I mean that that that right, there is a we especially long kicks. Whit it has to be a little more lovely. Yeah, absolutely, right, now, it's easy for me to not put Rico on a fifty three man projection right now. But if he plays like he did in the preseason again, yeah, and especially like based on you know, most you know, these Titans haven't been that impressive for the most part, it's gonna

be hard to justify it. Even he might be the worst blocker in the world, but if he once again proves he can do that, it's hard to say, like, well, these guys aren't good blockers either, but we're keeping them over you well, I mean, it's just the truth. All right. We're gonna take a break. When we come back, We're going to talk about Dak Prescott yesterday in practice. I thought it was a pretty good practice for him, and I want to hear what you guys have to say

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is either yesterday or Friday. I made mention of the fact that I hadn't really seen a throw yet during this camp that just wowed me from Dak Prescott. Then yesterday on Q he has several of them. I thought yesterday there were a few throws he made here in the end zone that to me were pinpoint accurate. I

know one particularly to Jeff Swayne. Swayin was covered really well and he put the ball right where it needed to be for Swain to make the catch and getting the end zone, and I was I said immediately, Wow, that's the kind of throw that I wanted to see that I hadn't necessarily seen a lot of. And it may also go to kind of what you guys are saying, Dak Prescott is a gamer when the lights come on, which yesterday there were a lot more cameras, a lot

more people. Maybe that kind of sparked him a little bit. But what do you guys think just overall, what do you guys think of Dak's performance yesterday during the during the practice and scrimmage. I thought it was a nice little microcosm of what his campus looked like. Yeah, I mean the throw to Swayin was great. H he had he made some really nice place He had a you know again, he had a throw on the run, where

when he does that he almost always looks good. He telegraphed the ball to Cole Beasley that Anthony Brown returned for a pick six. The he had his second pick really was much less his fault, although you could argue it could have been more accurate. It was tipped by Anthony Brown and Jeff Heath in the clutch like he always does. He was on the run on that one too, which is a little bit like I noticed that he was on the run. He was trying to loft it

down field and just didn't get it there. Yeah, So, like I said, I mean, it was it was a nice little microcosm. He had some really nice throws. He had two interceptions. Uh, the offense looked good. The offense stalled out a little bit at times. He talked to the media afterwards and kind of said the same thing. You know, um, he's he's had some really good throws. He's had some throws he'd like back. He's trying to be more adventurous since it's a practice setting, which I encourage. Um,

And so it's it hasn't been all perfect. It certainly hasn't been terrible by any stretch of the imagination. It's it's right in between. Would you think you always use that word by any stretch of the imagination every show,

every show anyways. Um, you know what, my appreciation for the game and the throwing the ball has absolutely changed every since I picked up a football and try to throw him myself, so that as easy as it looks, it is not so just because I've been doing that for a couple of days and throwing the ball around yesterday, everything I saw was like, oh my god, that is

pretty amazing. And that ball that you were talking about to Jeoff Swain, I was standing there and I saw the ball just coming right at me, like right in front of me, and I was just amazed, Like, had Jeoff not caught, that ball would have hit me right in the face because I was like hypnotized by it and how pretty it looked and how precise and how well it was turning around. So anyways, just to say yesterday, everything that I saw from Dak was pretty good. He

had a few mistakes, but overall good. We say all the time that Dak like throwing people open is something he hasn't quite developed. He threw Swain open on that. Yeah, anyway, But what makes me sorry, what makes me wonder though, it's like at times, you know, he this has been happening over when the old line is in there necessarily and he's throwing passes, how long it takes him sometimes to throw the make that throw? You know, like some of this guy's getting open, It doesn't really they don't

get open that quickly. And it makes me wonder during the game, in an actual game, if that's gonna become an issue because you're not gonna have that much time as you go and run around. You know a good point. You're right about that, and I think that you have

to kind of figure out what drill that is. Sometimes on those seven on sevens, when the linebacker sitting there, there's no offensive line, they know it's past all the way, they know he doesn't ever have to worry the linebacker is about maybe a faked Zeke draw play or anything like that. So I do think they have a little bit of advantage on some of those plays. So I'm okay with him holding it a little bit longer because that's when you put all eleven out there, that that's

what you know. Things change. But you're right on these one on one drills. These guys run like a triple move down the field, cut back, cut, you know, slant here, then go deep, and I'm like, yeah, this will officiven. This offensive line is good, but not that good. Yeah, you know. So you're right. But but as Dave's point earlier about Dak, I mean, this is the time. You know, practice is for that stuff. Practice is to force it

in there. You know, if you get a pick, okay, you get a pick, your your practice rating is not gonna go down because there isn't and you know, hopefully in a game, maybe I don't do that right, But but if you forced the ball in to practice seven times to Jeff Slam and he caught six of them, that was what practices for. That helps you that this

guy's gonna go make a play. At some point, somebody for the Cardinals realized Larry Fitzgerald's gonna go and catch the ball and I I can throw it to him as I can't throw it to this number thirteen guy over here. You know. So that's what practice is for. And I think, you know, I think it's a good point.

Dak actually had a really you know, I just I remember this, Dak just had he had a nice quote, um, you know, talking to the media after practice that I think I figured out last year some of the throws I can make and some of the throw as I can't make in practice, and then obviously I learned some lessons in the season. At this point, it's about going out there and making the right throw in the right

situation every time. Sometimes that means checking it down. Sometimes that means letting it rip, and I think that's absolutely right. And this is a setting where you learn those types of things. On top of I mean, hey, to his point, it hurts way more when it happens in a game, as we saw, especially in the second half. Um. Sorry, but just sometimes you know, this whole thing is covered with you know, we put the scrimmage, which isn't even

really a scrimmage. We put it live on the internet and like everyone's you know, watching it and then getting excited and I'm not saying that they shouldn't, But then then you got people charting plays and what his rating is and all that stuff, and and really it's still practice. It's still practice, and so it's easy to say, yeah, he threw a pick here or threw a touchdown here, but you know this, still there's a reason why the coaches call certain plays the way it is. I remember

Parcels in the preseason. We used to be like, you know, third and eight from the thirty five yard line, he'd run a draw and like, well, you know why, because he wants to see his kicker kick a fifty five yard field goal. That's why, you know, you want to see certain situations. So all right, so let's let's take

the conversation a little bit deeper on Dak. I've I've just noticed over the last couple days, and this is again, Twitter can never be the baseline because we know on Twitter everybody has an opinion and typically the most vocal are not in always the representative of what most people think. But there's been kind of this, I since kind of this general thought that Dak isn't that that Dak isn't going to be what the Cowboys want him to be

for his career. Take that as you may, but it did bring up the question for me of do we think that Dak at this point is developmentally where he should be entering his third year. We know he had the phenomenal first year. Last year wasn't what he would have wanted it to be. There were some good things and some bad things that we've seen throughout his career, but it's only been two years of playing. Do you think right now developmentally he's where he should be or

do you think he's below that or above that? Uh, Dak is absolutely where he's supposed to be or maybe better than that. And to really to to take it all into you have to put it all in context, like the whole thing. He's not as well developed, like I mean, Carson Wentz is the perfect person to put him against, and fittingly so because he's the quarterback of their biggest rival. But one of those guys was the number two overall pick in the draft, and one was

one thirty five. He's a fourth round pick. Regardless of how much he surprised everyone, he was still a fourth round pick for a reason which his skills weren't what the second round pick. The second pick was he was not accurate. He was coming from a college system that doesn't translate well to the pros. Uh, he he had deficiencies. Otherwise he would have been picked where Carson Wentz was picked.

That's the way that it's it's not. I mean, I know there are crazy stories in the in the draft every year, and I think Dak is he already has but will continue to outplay his draft slot. But these people know what they're doing. Dak would have been talked about as a top ten prospect if he had that type of skill set. So in two years you've seen them come to light. You mean, I'm not trying to

sugarcoat it. He's got problems with downfield accuracy, that's a thing, but it's the other things he does well, intangibles as well as mechanics that lead to him to be successful, particularly when he's put into an offense like this. I think he's absolutely fine. Well, let's answer the question of what you're really asking or the next one, and then because because you're right, I mean surprised, we all are surprised when he was drafted to say, oh, he was

gonna be Rookie of the Year. And he's gonna be you know, start all this, you know every game pretty much. But now the questions different. You give him one hundred million, you give him one hundred and fifty million, whatever it is. Can you do that? Can you give him this money? Because we said it yesterday, We've said it for a while. When Zeke's out there, man, they can be really good. And he's really good when it's just him. I don't know.

And those great quarterbacks. And I know there's a lot of good quarterbacks that get a lot of money, so you don't have to you know, I get that, But the great ones, they're the ones to make it the other guys better, not the other way around. But how many of those guys were developmentally better than dak Is

entering their third season in the NFL. I think that's the point I'm getting to, more than anything else is is when you look at the at the at the timeline of a quarterback from start to finish typically, and let's talk about the good ones, to talk about the great ones. Right, is he on chart to be able to be one of those guys or do you think he's below? This is game three of a series they won Game one easily they got. They lost a close one in Game two. Now this is Game three. This

is like an NBA series right now. I know I keep making basketball references, but I'm just saying the jury's out. The jury's out because last year the defensive coordinators got the upper hand on him. Now he'll see if he can come back. So yeah, his development was really good and then they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's figure let's figure that out. And it all started with Minnesota if you really think about it, his rookie years, Zimmer and

those guys. That's when it all started to change. It said beat me over the top, which they did that game. Des got a big play in there, yep. But I think it was like, do it again, and do it again, and you're not gonna if that's all we're gonna give you, and you can do it all game long. Yeah there. I mean, there is precedent for quarterbacks getting that type

of money at this stage in their career. Aaron Rodgers got a nice contract extension before he had a lot of experience starting, just because he spent so much time on the bench. He was also a first round pick, uh, and that's I think Honestly, that's where this schism in the opinion of Dak Prescott starts, is that he took the job of a polished veteran quarterback who maybe he's not as good as Aaron Rodgers, but he had a

comparable game. He's that type of quarterback who can shoulder the load and make a team relevant regardless of how much talent is around him. News flash, he's not that quarterback. He might be one day, he's not. And that's again there are basically, I think there are people who understand that and people who basically feel you took Tony's job. You need to be Tony right now and now you're the quarterback of the Cowboys. I don't have time for you to develop. And I don't buy that because again,

you know, I always go back to Russell Wilson. I don't know if he's going to turn into Russell Wilson because I probably would have voted for him to win MVP last year. I don't know if Dak will ever be that, but the trajectory is similar. Russell Wilson did not do everything himself for the first two plus years of his career. Honestly, when they won their Super Bowl.

He was. He was good, but he was not the thing that he was not the straw that stirred that drink you talk about maybe the best quarterback in the history of the NFL, Tom Brady, it was the same thing. Like when they were winning early on, that was all about the fact that they could run the ball and they had a great defense. Like that was how they played.

And he didn't have to make a lot of great throws because they had those other two things and they were okay with punning, Like that's okay, But like Russell Wilson, like he's not good enough right now to carry that team, you know, to where they want to go. Well, it maybe not. It's similar to Tony I mean, he's good enough with the talent they have he made makes them competitive. Yeah, he does make him competitive. He needs some help, just like he needs an outstanding defense or a good running

game or both and all that stuff. And that's most quarterbacks are the same way. There's only really a couple that you can just kind of give them whatever and then they're like, oh, James Jones, like oh he's great, and those are your all time great quarterbacks in the history of the league, and The reality is you can't afford to be that picky because guess what, you don't want to go back to the days when you got Quincy Carter and Chad Hudginson, when you got a quarterback.

It was the reason why I thought Washington was so the whole situation in Washington is weird. If you have a quarterback that, even though he's not great. Kirk Cousins

wasn't great. But when you find a quarterback that's pretty good, sometimes you just have to develop them and keep working with them because you don't want to go back to not having a quarterback at all, and then you're in that bottom part of the league that has no shot at winning at all, which and the other thing I think is worth talking about it is, Yeah, a decision's coming on what to do with Dak in terms of money.

That doesn't mean that the Cowboys are going to have to set the quarterback market to keep him, right, I mean, you know that's again too many things are black and white. There's gray area there. If Dak has a solid season but they don't win the Super Bowl, you could sign him to a new deal that will put him in a respectable territory fairly compensate him the same thing. The Seahawks did not set the market with Russell Wilson after

they won a Super Bowl. They paid him fairly for a third round pick who had led them to a championship. You can pay Dak without completely ruining your cap, like you can do both of those things. This is something that helps Dak. And I know I've thrown out this that before. The top five quarterbacks in the NFL in terms of salary right now, only one of them has won a playoff game. So of the four of the five, and three of them actually have a losing record, So

you can, I mean, guys can make money. And that goes back to what I was saying about when you get one is pretty good. Sometimes you find you gotta keep it and you gotta pay market rate to keep him because you can't go back to not having. Yeah, my whole car. Derek Carr, Garoppoloe and those guys that I think you're asking this question a little too early.

It's too soon to know. We know that the Cowboys are one hundred percent invested on Dak Prescott and they've done anything everything they can do to cater to him and his necessities. Now, we know that Dak, given the time that he's been here, he's not necessarily a great

practice guy. He hasn't been, and every time he goes into a game is absolutely different than what we see at practice this year, here, at training camp, everything I've seen, if he's a lot better than that then what we've seen here so far during a game day, I think he's gonna be really good this year based on what I've seen thus far. And I don't know if we just need to wait until a real game to see and really find out, because we can't judge by practice.

We know that that doesn't give you the right result. My hope for Dak Prescott is that he can continue to be what he's been and better, which is to say, a quarterback who can play mistake free, be a good leader, occasionally make a highlight worthy play, and just generally lead the offense that is centered around the line and Zeke. I feel like people view it as a knock that he's not the type of quarterback that can carry a whole team right now. I don't view it that way.

I think he plays a crucial role in the way the team is constructed. If he can keep doing that, they will win games and compete for playoff spots, and hopefully, as he continues to progress, he can become that type of quarterback in the next two to four years. And if that involves paying him again, I don't think you have to cripple your team to do that. You Know, something that I love is the fact, okay, yes, he took Romo's job basically, and the fact that Jason went

had so much respect for Dak Prescot. I mean, we know how close Jason and Romo. The fact that this young guy came in was able to gain all that respect from Jason Witten get along and be all on the same track. I mean that to me is a great endorsement just by Jason Witten. So I'm one hundred percent confident that Dak is gonna shine and he's gonna stay here for a while. All Right, we're gonna take our final break. We come back. Let's get some questions.

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as well. All right, let's let's jump into some calls before we do that, though, I wanted to make mention we I had the poll and I put the poll on on the on the app um asking the question, do you think Daki is where he should be developmentally entering year three? Want to hear this? And here's the interesting thing. It's been all over the map. First of all, it's it was, it's at one point, it was really high,

at one point is really low. But where it is right now, ninety four percent of the people say yes, only six percent saying no. So I think, at least for where the poll is right now, I think the majority of the vast majority believe he's on track with where he should be developmentally. Is this targeted the Mississippi only probably not? The cowboy fans think that he is

as of now. Now this thing kind of bounces around four percent of Cowboys fans listening to this, which is yes, I mean no, I mean sorry, the rest of them, Cowboys Nation, but you're smarter than them if you listen to this on a regular basis, you just are Wait, what people who listen to our shows are more informed and smarter than Joe and fower Mount got it. That's exactly right. But anyway, I thought that was an interesting thing. I was expecting maybe the opposite, just seeing kind of

comments I've seen on Twitter. But again, as I prefaced this conversation, sometimes what you see on Twitter is just a vocal minority that really is is not the representative. It's like it's like with Romo, you know, after his second or third year, you're not an undrafted quarterback from from Eastern Illinois anymore. You are the France guys quarterback.

And that's kind of the where it is with Dak and so you know, no longer is he just that guy that's like, oh wow, fourth round pick, he's surprised it. Now it's you know, now you've gotten wide receivers cut, and you've got other players have made decisions based off of you being here. So now it's time you're you're the guy. And I think Amber said it earlier, it's you know, you are the quarterback. They're giving everything for you to be successful, so you know you're no longer

the young guy. I sorry, this is dumb, but I don't know what Dak and Tony's relationship is like now, Like I couldn't even begin to guess, like the last time they communicated, But I like to think, like I don't know, maybe Dak would send Romo at text just like dude, I get it it. Romo's like, yeah, it's it's cool. Oh this camp he's he's and it's it's it's the off the field stuff. It's the whole thing.

When you are the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, guess what, Yeah, there will be a lot of stuff coming your way. He's better be ready to deal with it. He's making a lot of money to play football. But I mean, the guy, the guy can't really win right now on a variety of fronts. So he was, well, he was answering a question yesterday. He said, oh, yeah, this young guys coming in, isn't that weird? So yeah, him calling this other guy's young guys, I'm like, what, he's ancient

by NFL. Right right, we'll get ready for his retirement party. All right, let's get to some questions we gotta call. If you guys want to call us. You can call us at nine seven two four nine seven nine seven two four nine seven forty four hundred. We gotta call from Hakeem in Virginia. HACKEM what up? It was up? Guys. I'm sorry, I mean, I've raised the Virginia but Dave, I'm born and raising. Let's go shout out the But um,

I wanted to ask a question. I'm you guys, you know Nick and Derek, you guys can probably speak to this because you guys have been there in a long time. You gotta see what goes on behind the scenes. But you know, on the outside world, you know, fans and

media and all these talk shows and all. You mean, there's a bunch of media people they say that you know Jerry and you know he likes to hire head coaches that he can you know that doesn't have like, um, that's not like you know, raw Rod guys or anything like that, or just like you know, he likes to overpower not not like over like overstep his head coaches, you know, authorities that like that's the narratives that you

know people outside of the Cowboys organization. So I'll like to get you guys to take you know, who's behind the scenes to see you know, you gotta see more than what we see. And is that a fair you know, narrative to go by or you know, is it not? And if if that's the case, do you think a guy like Chris Rashard, you know, like you said the other day, Nick, you think a guy like Chris Rashard would be a perfect fit if you know, Jason Garrett doesn't get it done or anything like that. So that's

all I had. And uh, you know, y'all keep up to go work. There's one thing that you have to realize that. I mean, Jerry, uh you know, he's his stamp is on this team. Of course he owns it. He's a general manager, he's the president. Um. And but you got to realize that the head coach of this organization. It's not for everyone. It's not like every other place. If you don't understand that, you don't buy into it, then it's not going to be for you. That's as

simple as simple as that, I mean. And and here's a guy that played for the Cowboys. He understands and he was he played for the Cowboys when they were winning Super Bowls. So he gets where where where this franchise. Is he gets that that that football is not the only part of this whole thing. That there's there's money involved, that there's sponsorships, there's a lot going on. If you if you want to buck the system, then this isn't for you. And so, But but to answer your question,

I'm yes, I think Garret. You look around, Garrett's stamp is on this team as well. I mean a lot of the things that that are happening. But just remember that if so, if a new coach comes in, and maybe you'll get a chance to see how things work, but you may not get to practice on that practice field on Tuesday morning like you want to because there's something else going on. That's just that's just reality that happens. You better be used to it. I will, And I

absolutely think that works in Jason Garrett's favor. He gets I mean, at just across all platforms, the Dallas Cowboys are a show and they just are. And I mean, if you're a fan, I hope you understand that because you're the benefactors of that some degree, because you get this right, you get these kinds of programming that we were able to do. I think it is it absolutely

works in Jason Garrett's favor that he understands that. But Jerry Jones, Like, it's not like Jerry Jones has a just set type of coach that he's willing to hire. Look across the hires he's made, like he's covered the whole spectrum. Like I would barely even remember that Jimmy Johnson Cowboys, but I know how fiery he was Bill

Bill Parcels, Are you kidding me? Yeah? And then you got a guy like Wade Phillips, who's like the chilliest dude ever, and Garrett, who's somewhere in between like Jerry Jones. At the end of the day, I mean, the Dallas Cowboys are a show and always will be. But Jerry Jones wants to win. He's gonna hire whoever he thinks is going to help him do that. No other no other franchise can continue to rise in their net worth like this and not be successful in the postseason. Yeah,

it's just this is the way that it is. Let me give you guys a shameless plug on this. There's a documentary. We're running out our first of four Deep Blue documentaries this week. We'll have one every week for the next four weeks and the one that's gonna run this Wednesday. It's called Parcels Last Ride and it talks about Parcels coming to the Cowboys. Really great documentary. Kent Garrison, who produces this show, was the editor for that. Rob

Phillips wrote the documentary, but really really good. And the reason why I bring it up is because I think when you go and you listen to Parcels Nick, you've had an opportunity to interview Parcels about his time here. The one thing you always hear from from Parcels was I he always says I loved working for Jerry Jones.

And so when people have that narrative of well, a strong head coach would never want to work for Jerry Jones, you find me a head coach that's stronger than build Parcelves and for him to say, hey, I loved working with Jerry Jones, I think that narrative is I think it's a little bit incorrect. I think Jerry, like you said, he's had a lot of different kinds of coaches, but I don't I think Jerry can work with different kinds

of people. And the other thing I'll point out real quick is I can only speak from my personal experience. I work a lot with their family in my job. The one thing I will say about it is and every person that I have that's a peer of mind that runs a particular part of the business, we all say the same thing. Which is the great part about working for the Jones family is they allow you to

do your job like. They're not the kind that are going to be like, you're supposed to be the expert, but no, don't do what you're saying, do what I tell you to do. They're always like, how do what do you think about this? I'm gonna defer there. If they have opinions, they definitely make it known, and they're sometimes they're like, hey, I really think we ought to go this way. But it's not like they say, hey, I'm gonna just jump over your O. You know this.

You're supposed to be the expert. You go do it the way you want it. And I have no reason to believe that they would do something different than that. With the football coach, yeah, well and obvious, I mean it doesn't showcase everything that happens. I'm sure there are moments where Jerry Jones lets his voice be heard, but go watch all or nothing. Those coaches, you know, the Monday recap meetings were so fascinating to me because Jerry's like almost meek in those means. He's like, okay, coach,

you got you got the floor? Like what are you? You know, like he's just he defers to him in front of this in front of his coaches, which that is not the famous image of Jerry Jones. Like you, I mean to listen to the narrative and you think he's up there diagramming plays and like telling Jason who's gonna get how many snaps in the game. I don't think it's like that at all. All right, let's take another call. We had a call this time from hold on just a second, can't who we got? Yeah, stan Um.

I got two quick questions for you guys. One is, when I checked out this guy, Antoine Woods, I thought he was going to be an easy cut and then we see the fight. And then I started noticing from YouTube, you know, some of the people showing you know, what's going on at camp. I noticed that he gets a real good push up the field, and I was going to see, you know what you guys take was on

that as well as m Jordan Lewis. Uh. I need to know some more information what's going on with this Jordan Lewis AB battle because I keep seeing AB on the field. I don't see Jordan Lewis on the field as much. So I sit back and listen to what you guys saying your thoughts and thanks for having me, all right, thanks for the calling. Well, I mean, if if you're gonna hit Travis Frederick in the face, then then basically what you're saying is is that you're you're

willing to fight everybody. I mean that he's he's the anchor of that offensive line, and and you know, he basically said, if you want to fight, let's fight. So he hit him in the face. I mean, that's but but there's more two it than that. He's not just he's not just doing that, you know, um, he's actually he's he's he's pushing Travis Frederick back. He's winning battles against an all pro like that. And I don't think we're gonna see any regression out of out of Frederick.

I think this guy he's got some strength. He's a big guy, and that's what they need on that offensive line. They need. They need a guy that can get up the field, but they certainly need someone that's big and so defensive line he needs and we need a one technique guy that that can also stop the run in there. So we'll see, I mean he's bounced. He has been cut two or three times. I mean, I will say this, Uh sorry Nick, but good Um. Just like wide receiver.

Every year there's a d tackle that I mean Lewis, Neil last year, Shaneil Jenkins, Rodney Coe was a guy that a lot of people had eyes on. There's always and you know, you see the you see the one on one pass Roustrial, so you get to see these guys win a lot. Just by nature of it. He's looked good. I'm not ready to put him on the team, but i will say if there's a spot where I

mean it's it's got to be detactless. There's a spot that's thin um Jordan Lewis and a B is interesting to me because that that much like Dak That is another Twitter controversy that you know, I mean, the third round pick who played well last year can't get in the starting lineup over ab Uh. I don't think ab has been terrible, but he's certainly lost his fair share

of battles out here. Okay, with a B as a nickname here, I mean a B is Antonio Brown, but I mean Anthony is just such a It's it's a mouthful, Tom. We've been here too long. It's a mouthful ab still throwing a jersey in Parsil's face. To me, it's still Antonio Bryant. But yeah, Anthony Brown. Um, anyway, I get it. He's a third round pick, and you know, we know Chris Froshard likes his tall cornerbacks, and then there's a theory that maybe that's why he can't get in the lineup.

I don't know. I think Jordan has looked good. I would like to see him with the ones. Fortunately for us, he's gonna get a shot because Cheeto's not practicing right now. Brown has been on the left side since he got hurt, and Jordan's been the first team's nickel, so maybe he

can take advantage of this opportunity. That's gonna be interesting, though at the end of the day, I have a hard time losing sleep about it, because you can never have too many corners, and injuries play a role and for as mad as people want to get about it in training camp, if Brown is bad, when the games start mattering, he will get replaced and not on that way.

This works. The one thing that we've seen about this defense, and I don't know if it changes with Chris Rashard here, but it seems like in past years they'll rotate those corners around a little bit. Nope, they'll get those guys on the field. So I don't think it's a situation where because Jordan's not a part of the starting three, he won't be on the field. I think he's gonna get some opportunities to play. And that's a great thing

to have. You got four really solid corners, keep giving, and you're playing against these seems to have all these really great wide receivers. You're gonna need that. So I actually think that's a great thing. I don't look at that as a bad thing. On August six, true, every freaking I just I'm not ready to lose sleep about position battles on August six. How it shakes out, All right, guys, we appreciate you joining us. We'll be back tomorrow. These

guys will be back tomorrow. Amber will be hosting, you guys will get a chance to hear about all the stuff that's happening out here heading into the first preseason game this Thursday against the San Francisco forty nine Ers. Till then for Nicki, even Dave Helmet, amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagles and this has been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.