Cowboys Break: How They Won

The Break. We're life from the SWUBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and we get to rehash the very first Cowboys win of the season. Cowboys win twenty seventeen to the LA Chargers at a really great stadium and probably even more up a great stadium for the Cowboys. When you when you look at that stadium, Nick I was mentioning to you, I thought it looked like an AT and T Stadium two point zero because there were so many things about it that reminded me of AT and

T stadium. But the other part that reminding me of AT and T stadiums. There are a lot of Cowboys fans there, a ton of Cowboys fans Theah. Yeah, there's a reason Jerry Jones gets so excited about LA and playing on the West Coast. He knows, he knows who's out there. Yeah, I mean, there is no there's no mistaking the fact that the Cowboys spend every summer in California because that bills over time. That justs fans. Imagine the behind the scenes conversations where here he's like, yeah,

we need teams in LA. We need to showcase this place, and I'll dominate the venue every time we come. It's gonna be awesome. Nick, you actually had an interesting point you were making about the about the on the radio this morning. You were making about the crowd. Well, I thought, you know, at first, I thought, man, they didn't NFL didn't do them any favors, the Chargers by putting, you know,

the how Boys for their first game with fans. But you know, really, when you when you think about it, and I also kind of heard through the Grape Bunk, you know, they don't didn't sell all their suits and they had a heart. They're having a hard time. We know that where they have a hard time with their

with their fan base, just generating fans. And by the way, they're battling another team team, a team that's been in LA for you know, for years, back in the you know, back in the day, and so uh, you know it's like, well, maybe maybe they did it on purpose, you know, because you think you can take this big global picture and it's like a lot of blue, you know, silver, a lot of light blue all that. But it's gonna look it's gonna look blend in, it's gonna look great, it's

gonna full and all that. I mean, imagine if they put the Chiefs in there for for you know, week you know, week two, But yeah, why is all this red in there? So um, it's just I just thought, well, maybe you know that that maybe they did that on purpose, you know, then to have a great venue there, and it was it was a great atmosphere you're in there listening to it. It was it was like a bowl game. To me. It was just fifty fifty, sixty forty, whatever it is. I think the Cowboys had more fans really,

and they were definitely louder if there wasn't. Yeah, yeah, it was one of those games where you look at it and as you're as you're watching the game, you can't really get we couldn't get a real appreciation for just how loud the crowd was, because obviously in the press box it's a little walled off. But there were moments that you could hear go let's go Cowboys, Let's go Cowboys. And so it very much was a game that felt like it was a little bit of a

home advantage for the Cowboys. Absolutely. I mean you should have expected it. I did my writing from the hotel bar last night. I met a guy. Yeah that's not you do some writing, That's what I'm talking. Yeah. I like the energy, you know, I like having people around. Um. Anyway, I met a shout out to Dallas from Baker's Field. He bought Dallas from Bakers. He bought season tickets. Oh no, just for that game. Charger season. Wait's Charger season. Wow,

that's commitment. Rights hold off the rest of them and made a nice profit and still got to go to there you go. I was like, that's dedication and say, way to go, buddy. You're gonna get emails for the rest of your life. That's okay. The Cowboys will be back in eight years, you know, so uh yeah, no, well maybe sooner now that they play more games. So that and also, you know, that's a that's a really good preseason game, you know, because I mean it's good

to go down to La from from Oxnard. But you don't always want to play the Rams because you're gonna sometimes play them in the regular season. But I mean I could see them trying to play the Chargers in preseason on that first game, you know, or Vegas or you know, something like that. I feel like we're burying the lead here. Let's talk about the game, all right, So let's do this. I want to start with this. I want you used to give me one big picture,

uh story of the game. If you're gonna remember week two of twenty twenty one, what is that memory point? What is that one thing that you'll remember from this game? I'll start with you day Two things that kind of go hand in hand. One, I can't I've lost track over the years of the number of times that I've sat in the bowels of a stadium after the Cowboys lost and they just they just shot themselves in the foot too many times, like they shouldn't have lost this game,

and they did, and it's their own fault. And that's how the Chargers felt yesterday and they should. I mean, that's and it was. So it was bizarre, but in a weird way encouraging that the Cowboys were. On the other hand of that, it's like, you're not always going to have a perfect game, you're not always going to just outplay the opponent. But if you're more disciplined and cleaner, less penalties, don't have a little bit cleaner. Yeah, because the Cowboys did not play like a great game, but

they were. They didn't have two touchdowns taken away because of miscus at the snap, and that stuff matter, and so it was surreal for the Cowboys to be the quote unquote cleaner team that kind of snuck out with a win. The same thing. We talk about complimentary football to the point that I don't think we even know

what it means anymore. But this was that. This was this was the team lifting itself up, because the formula for Cowboy wins over the last three years has just been if the offense is clicking and scoring points, they can do enough to get by. It was the first time I believe since the wildcard game win against Seattle that they've won a game when they didn't score thirty points. They haven't been they haven't been able to do it.

That's amazing. They haven't been able to do it. And so for you know, it wasn't an amazing DAK game. The offense was not lighting up the scoreboard, special teams was sloppy. A lot of it was sloppy. And they managed to win a very like SEC type of score twenty seventeen, not super high flying like maybe we thought, and they still eaked it out. And that's that's impressive because that you gotta win those clunky games because they're not You're not always going to have your best efforts.

So that's important and it felt big to me. But I thought, you know, we asked Dan Quinn to figure it out, that's what we said to do. I mean, you know, you don't know who your pass rushers are. Both of them are are out, the both starters are out. Figure out how to how to get these guys involved in in you know he did. Um, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you after after basically complaining about it for you know, in the first half and third quarter that I thought it was a bad move. With Parsons,

it's hard to come back now. Nick was killing me. I didn't like it, no, no, at all, and I thought, you know, I thought they were wasting Parsons. I thought they were, and they did for the first half they did. I mean, he got nineteen passes and he rushed at nineteen times and got two rushes. I thought they were

wasting him. He got better. They also realized, don't mess with Rashawn Slater like that ain't happened, and come over this side and also the side that that that Herbert can see, and then you know he can't roll the way he wants to roll. So Parsons did a nice job of figuring it out. And you gotta give hey,

I'm gonna give Jalen Smiths some credit. I thought he played a really good game for for having to that's not his thing to go cover the Austin Ekeler and all that, and he did a pretty good job in that game, led the team and tackles. I would have flipped it my self. I would have rushed somebody else and let Parsons be the guy. But I mean, there's some people right now they're thinking that he's never going to move back, and those people I think are solely mistaken.

There's no way that he's gonna be playing defensive end for this team long term. I don't think, Man, well, and it's weird too because I don't even I don't even think that he played defensive end, you know, like he was a pass rush specialist, Like he didn't put his hand in the dirt. He had some nice plays against the run. Wait he did. There were there were some times when he was literally lined up as a hand in the dirt defensive and he was there too

as a pass rush specialist. It just it's not the same as watching DeMarcus Lawrence through his thing, in my opinion at least, like they were just like, all right, you know how you know enough moves to get yourself through the game. You're super athletic. Just get out there and get after him and run at him more. That's what I was at question. That's my point is like as amazing as he was, like, he is not this

like well rounded defensive end. He's going to hold up the way that somebody like DeMarcus Lawrence would Eckler and the way that they play on offense. I think, I mean,

that's that's what figuring it out is. It's like we can do this against the Chargers, maybe not against other teams because they're gonna, you know, be played more power football at him, but they they figured it out, and you know, I thought, I thought that series was changed the whole game when he when he got that quote sack, which if I'm a Charger fanom absolutely livid and pissed off about that call because that that call lost the game for him. The keeping Herbert upright, saying that his

momentum stopped and they called a sack. I thought that was a terrible call, and it worked for the Cowboys because I don't they don't do that to other people. They don't do that to to Mahomes, they don't do that to Lamar Jackson. They don't do that to Dak You know, let Herbert be an athlete and he's up there fending him off and throws it that it's an incomplete pass and they don't have the in the grass rule.

Now I thought that rule, but they can't believe that call. Yeah, I don't disagree with you, but I will say it's nice. It's nice that the way they go, they go out of their way to protect the quarterback, and it's nice to see it. Benefit of defense once, because they make it so hard to do your job as a defender, especially getting after the quarterback. Well, and you know my complaint.

I've complained about it for years. In no other place in football or in life can you hit anyone in the face and it be okay unless you have a ball in your hand. If you have a ball in your hand and Michael Parsons comes up and you can hit him in the faith, no big deal, that's fine. So he was doing that and all that, So it

was kind of like, well, that's the Colvin. The point I was gonna make before we got into the semantics of what he was doing is I don't know how you don't want that available to you at least some of the time from here on out, because and I hear you, Jalen Smith's not closing on Justin Herbert like that. That's one of the most amazing things I've seen on

a football field. You're right about memory the way like he was twelve yards away from Herbert and in the blink of an eye, you know you're right he was on. I can't say enough about how incredible I thought that was, Like we say, shot out of a cannon. All the time, it was maybe more impressive than that. And I'm so, I'm just like, if he can do that against an athlete like Herbert, he could really come in handy against

a less mobile quarter, right. But what my point was, in the first half, there was a lot of just going up there and you know, there was a lot of family reunion hugging. Style was just like hey, especially, and that's it. And I'm not I'm not blind. I could do this. He ain't. He ain't Von Miller and I you know, Storm Norton was what we thought Terrence Steele might be in this game. I mean, he was pushed around. He's gonna have nightmares about Mica for weeks

um and it's Lane Johnson next week. Have a feeling it'll be a little bit of a different story. So yeah, I'm not. He ain't Lawrence Taylor yet, Randy, You'll be back. The way I look at all that is, Look, this is a guy that that found out on Thursday. What right he say press come Thursday? He founds out in his second NFL start, he is actually going to be playing a different position. And I think when you put it in that context, like I think he played extremely

well at that position. Now here's the thing. The reason why I say it's ludicrous to think he's going to be a defensive end is because kind of what you were saying, Dave, I look at a guy like that, and I say, Okay, if he's got that ability to do that on a thursday's notice and already have seen what he can do a linebacker, I want him to be doing a lot of different things in the game. I want defenses to not know where he's coming from.

So this play, yeah, he might line up with his hand in the dirt and rushed as a defensive end. The next play, he might be in the middle and come up the middle. Next play, he might be back covering in past coverage. Like we know, we've seen him do all those things between training camp and now we've seen him do all those things. I'd rather have him just be a guy that runs around the field and I can use him however I choose to use him. Want to give him play he is, he said at

a training camp, he's the queen in a chess set. Yeah, you can go everywhere and do everything and that. Yeah, I'm with you, and I firmly believe for as impressive and athletic as he is. I think that would be a miss match against a better offensive tack. I mean, Slater stonewalled him, and so I don't think you want to waste him doing that all sixty snacks snaps of a game. But it's nice to know it's there. Yeah, it's very nice to know it's right. All right. So

here's what I want to do. I'm gonna We're actually gonna take our first break real quick. But when we come back, I'm actually gonna go through all the things that we talked about on Friday, to the storylines that we talked about, and I want to see how they turned out. We'll talk about what your guys, what you guys thoughts are on those storylines and what happened in the game based up on what we were wondering about or thinking about heading into the game. We'll do that

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about the Cowboys win over the Los Angeles Charges. They win twenty to seventeen in Week two of the NFL season, is now pull them into a tie in first place in the division. It's very early to be saying that, but the Eagles after their loss are now one and one. Washington football team after their wins now one and one, and then obviously the Giants pulling up the rear at oh and two. We'll talk more about that big picture stuff tomorrow, but here's what we're gonna do for now.

We're going to talk about the storylines. On Friday. If you remember, we went through a whole list of storylines on the offense, defense, and special teams what we thought would be the things that would actually define what happened in this game, and so I wanted to go back and revisit those things and see how a lot of them turned out. Let's start first on the offensive side of the ball. We talked about Lyle being replaced by

Terren Steele and he'd be facing Joey Bosa. And the question I have for you guys it was is Dak good enough that this doesn't affect their ability to move the ball. So I want to talk about both things. I want to talk about first, Dak Prescott. He was twenty three of twenty seven for twenty and thirty seven yards, two sacks, one interception, and eighty seven point eight rating. How did Dak play? In your opinion? There was a game manager. Again, that's nothing bad. I mean bus driver

type player for this game. And please don't don't go at me on that that. I think that's a great thing. Tom Brady is a bus driver and he drives the hell out of it and he's doing doing it forever. He manages the game. There's nothing wrong with that. That's exactly what he did. He had one bad throw he'd like to take back, but I thought for the most part, when it got down to nutcutting time, he's gonna do it. If you needed a thirty six shared field goal, he

wouldn't have done it. If you needed forty six. Fifty six he got in the fifty six, but he did what he had to do. I thought. I thought he played a really good smart game. Again, one interception, for the most part, could have a touchdown if he were to saw him already down the left sideline instead threw it the jar when they scored. Anyways, I thought he played great. I can't believe how similar this game was to the season opener against the Rams last year, who

were coached on defense by Brandon Staley. I don't think that's a coincidence. Same score, and I pulled up dacks different fans. Yeah, I mean it was. It was much more fun. I'm sure Nick actually showed me the sweet where he sat last year by himself watching that game with I can't imagine how weird that. Yeah, I feel for you. But I pulled up his passing chart. It's the same, Like there were a few more throws behind the line of scrimmage, but it's just a scatter shot

of twelve to eighteen yard plays. He threw it. He threw it further than twenty yards twice in both games. He got intercepted this year, not last year. The one big shot he took was out of necessity to Michael Gallup last year. It's the way Brandon Staley wants to play. They were in too high all day. Brandon Staley's whole mode of business is I'm gonna play back and dare you to be patient because I don't. You're an alpha

and I don't trust that you will do it. You're going to gonna get impatient and do something stupid, and that's how we're gonna get you. And it was even better with the Rams because they had Aaron Donald and you can stop the run even when you're not committing to. It didn't work for the Chargers yesterday. I think that was a big part of it. The Cowboys were like, wow, okay, we're gonna run six yards a carry on your ass, like who cares. It didn't work that well against the

Rams because they have better personnel. So I thought Dak played within the confines of what the Chargers were willing to let him do. It's kind of ironic. I felt like the Chargers were trying to play keepaway, which that's kind of been the Cowboys offense. I mean they had the ball three times after halftime. Yeah, yeah, that's unbelievable. Yeah, I think you know. The Chargers ran like forty plays in the second half. I bet I don't know the Cowboys number, but I bet it's not more than twenty

five or twenty six. But that was also because in the first half Cowboys were they were moving the ball really, really well. The first two of the first three possessions they got a touchdown, and I think that first drive was fifteen plays total possession of six to fifty one, and then the second touchdown was seven plays, seventy five yards three fifteen. So they were they were not only eating up clock, but they were taking these and long. You just finished saying they dared you to be patient.

Well the Cowboys are like, great, we'll be patient, and they just matriculated the ball down the field and scored touchdowns on two of those three possessions. From the time, the game kind of settled into more of oh, I'm not gonna say rhythm. That game had no rhythm at all.

Twenty freaking penalties. It was. It was gross at times, but um, I just it just felt like the charges were like, all right, we need every possession to last eight minutes, and so bland call on first down, bland call on second down, justin get out there, and bail us out on third down. And it worked way more often than you'd probably prefer, especially on third and long.

They were not supposed to be converting at that rate, and at one point in the game they had converted four of six third and ten plush situations and that's that's not something you should be seeing no on any NFL set field. But I thought he played great within the confines, and that's can we make this a weekly thing? We've done it two for two both games. Like last possession, Derek looks at me in the press box, He's like, what's gonna happen now? I'm like, Dak is going to

lead them to field goal range. There is no doubt in my mind about that. My big question was can they kick this field goal and not leave Herbert anytime? And it was way more of a cluster f than it should have been, but it worked out. Yeah. All right, let's move on to the next topic I have for you guys. Oh, actually talking on that, we didn't talk about Terren Steele. Let's talk about Bosa had three tackles

on the day, no sacks, no quarterback hits. So how well to Steel play and how much help did they give him? No, we're not going there. I mean, he might have got a little bit of help, but not more so than any other right tackle kind of gets You're sure about that. Well, in the post game, McCarthy said, we paid a ton of attention to him, and I haven't been able to go back and watch it to

be able to see how much. But the way he made a sound was like we definitely made it a point that he was not going to just be left out there on the night. They I mean, they gave him some help. Zeke had some really nice chips. The tight ends helped. And also again going back to Dak playing within the confines, he was getting the ball out. I mean, very short routes, quick decisions this week before. Yeah, you're not gonna have these long, slow developing plays like

we saw from Herbert Um. But I think I just I don't want to take credit away from Terrenceton because all week it was doom and gloom. And I'm not I'm not saying that we believed in Terrence Steele, but people are just like, well, he's gonna get Dak killed. And he was great, he was wonderful. He deserves some flowers.

He was he deserves some flowers. I mean he was you know, Dak Martin said after the game, he said, there's some times where we have the center slide protections to the right where you know, I get my guy and I kind of go and help him. He goes and most of the time he didn't even need he didn't need the help. I thought. Where we thought Terrence Steele was a lot more of an agile, athletic offensive tackle that could could handle you knows athleticism, he actually

overpowered him more with his blocking. And go back and look at that touchdown that Zeke had, the Zeke touchdown where I mean that whole right side, it's Zack Martin. And let's also say Zach Martin played a phenomenal game. Who's surprised, No, not me, But I mean he played a masterful game. And I thought having him there just solidified everything. But Terrence Steele, Zack Martin on that touchdown run just really dominated. He did a nice job and

the running game as well, yea. And I mean that was not in any way to take a slide at him, because I think he played really well. By the way, there were a lot of times last year when they gave him help and it didn't turn out great. So I think he did his job yesterday, and that's a part of coaching the right way. Maybe the first time I've seen from the Cowboys in a long time. You know,

you hear all the time that next man up. Like yesterday, they had a lot of people saying next man up and by the way, and we're gonna get into a lot of those other guys as well. But we saw a lot of guys actually taking that mantra seriously yesterday and actually being able to fill in in those roles and play at a higher, higher level. I mean, everybody that was called on in that situation did something. Darn

Steele was great. Cedric Wilson had that wonderful I thought he might have scored if he had cut the other way on that of a run though, absolutely awesome. Michael Parsons did his Thingum we'll get to jail in a little bit, and they kind of mentioned him. I think there are a lot of guys yesterday that played well beyond what you may have thought of them. But they had to in order to get this team to where they were going to get the win. Let's move on

to the to the next topic, the Charger defense. A lot one hundred and twenty four rush yards in week one and Dallas never really got their rush established. Does Dallas take advantage of the run this week? That was the question going in. Obviously we don't need to spend time on that, right, but Tony Pollard goes thirteen carries four hundred and nine yards and a touchdown, three catches

for thirty one yards. Then Zeke at sixteen carries for seventy one yards and a touchdown, two catches for twenty six yards. My question for you guys is what are your thoughts on the way they're sharing the responsibilities, because we even noticed in week one, this is not a situation where you got a series where you'll bring in Pollard and spell Zeke and then your back to Zeke like they are really using these guys interchangeably at this point.

What are your thoughts on that distribution of carries. I think it's absolutely wonderful and it's been baffling me to me forever that the Cowboys weren't better at it like you look at I mean, it's been a few years at this point, but New Orleans would just rotate Kamara and Ingram on the same drive on the same possession, you know, and get them both on the field. Maybe not, maybe it's Ingram for two or three players, then Kamara and then the Cowboys are always like, well, this is

the Alfred Morris possession. It's the third possession of the hat. Like, no folks boring, whether that the banana the tail fight. Yeah. So I just I thought it was great that they what they are doing with these guys is phenomenal and it reminds me of the Dalton Schultz Blake jar Went thing like who's the start one? Who cares? They're both good. Tony Pollard's too good to be on the bench as we see, and you should be encouraged as a Cowboy fan that it doesn't seem like the politics of contract

side is getting in the way of that. I mean, it would be easy to say that Zeke needs to be on the field because he makes fifteen million dollars a year, and for some reason, I think there's some people that are offended by that. Is like, well, so you needs to be touching the ball more because he makes one no whatever, like that money's spent. What we can have. That's a separate conversation. But in the season, when winning is all that matters. I just want good

players on the field side. I don't care about that. Very encouraged that they don't seem to care either. Well, fans don't ever care that that you're that d made two million dollars a year. We're going to the Pro Bowls a quarterback, and no one cares that Tony Pollard's contracts one million a year. I mean, it is what it is. I mean, is it even that much. She's a fourth round pick. I think he's I mean, I think he's got like a yeah. I mean, I think

I think his his salary cap charges about him. His salary might not be that, but yeah, overall, he's like a three million dollar guy. You're getting budget there, you get yeah, yeah, you're you're getting I thought I thought Zeke had a nice game too. He had a couple of runs. He had a run that was about to tweet out and then back through a pick. But it was the eight yard run right before that interception where it was. I mean, it was a really good vintage

Zeke type run. Everything going left, he looks back, sees a hole, cuts it back, puts his foot in the ground and gets good. You know, he got hit about four yards but carried it till eight. I mean, I thought that was a very good Zeke type of run. And then the interception came. But um, I thought he had a He had a really good game too. But Pollard just on the edge, I mean, he was, he was dynamic. It's one of the I'm sick of it.

It's such a huge cliche. We got to find a better There's there's another nickname out there besides thunder and lightning. There has to be, because it's the only nickname anybody's ever been able to come up with over the last like twenty five years. But kind kind of what's happening here. I do think there is a value twenty Okay, what about twenty twenty one makes more sense? It does well. Zeke makes more money, so he should be there. Whatever. Uh,

it's it's a nice combo. I actually I didn't hear this before the game, but I was talking to Brad Sham afterward. I guess Staley again coached the Rams in Week one last year in that empty stadium. He was like, you can feel it from the sideline, like when Zeke is carrying the ball, just like the impact when he's just hammering people, and I do think that matters. Yea, Tony Pollard is more explosive than he is. It is what is. But again, these are not these are not

bad things. These are good things. Twenty twenty one is good. That's the year they're in. I thought, yeah, I just I think they go great in tandem. And I love that Callen Moore realizes that Tony Pollard is a guy who needs to have his number. I love the touchdown call, the sweep around, you know, the first touchdown to Pollard where it was just he was in motion and they just gave it to him. We thought later on there might be a fake one and they would play off

of that. But I love that that play because they're best player on defense, Joey Bosa. They didn't block him. They just said I'm gonna run full speed. I mean, it's basically an arena football type of play where the guy's going in full full speed but he's just in motion and he's coming around the corner and it's like, we're not gonna block Bosa. He's gonna get up the field and he's gonna go one on one and he's not even gonna touch him because he doesn't have the

momentum going his way. You know, it's just kind of weird when you think about it. You block him, you block him. Bosa will won't even mess with him because Pollard would get around him, and he did. Yea. Yeah. I love what they're doing. I think it's really great and I think it's going to serve them well as they get later in the season because they'll have two options there at running back, so they can kind of interchange those guys or if you get an injury there,

you still have somebody that usually feel very confident. No disrespect of Cedric Wilson, thought he played a really good game, but I think going into the game, it was like, you know, the next man up, it was basically Pollard

as that next playmaker. Do you think that was it or do you think it was a game that that this game plan call for just more runs, and so they were like, instead of having Zeke run thirty times, let's use them both interchange because we know we're gonna run the ball a ton, right, and that and that happened and that's probably why it led to it. But I think they're gonna they're figuring out how to get

pollared involved. I do think they when when they're in the game plan meetings, especially in a week where Michael Gallup's not available, they're talking about Tony before they talk about et Cedric, like, we've got to find touches for twenty. We'll figure it out for number One's fine, he didn't that one play where he was we even through for a second it looked like he might make it all the way just the way he had gotten through the line.

If he had cut it left to the sideline. It's hard to ever say if you're going to score because everybody in the NFL is so fast, but he had there was another thirty yards of real estate there. Yeah,

I mean, I'm not hating on the guy it was. Yeah, that's that's the fun of having that kind of angled view from like we're almost in the end zone and you can see the lanes so much better than you do on the TV comment or then you could see when you're actually on the field running with the ball, like it's yeah, it's easy for us to say, well, if you'd to cut back here, well, yeah, very like that three hundred pound freak was bearing down on me. Did you not see that? Sorry? That's all I saw.

All right, let's let's move on. Let's talk a little bit about the defense. Uh, he was the thought I had last week. Both starting defensive ends were presumably out. They were out. Does Dallas find a way to get pressure? And how Dallas did end up getting two sacks? But he was the interesting part from me. He had nine quarterback hits. He hit him a lot yesterday. How do you think they did from a standpoint of just their pass rush and how much it could affect the game?

I mean, just in the cut and dry sense of how did they do? Not very well? Yeah, but that's because they didn't have DeMarcus Lawrence, Randy Gregor. I mean they were down an absurd degree. You're down your best two guys, you're moving your your third best pass rushers moving out of position. So no, I mean they didn't get enough pressure on them, but they weren't going to.

That was the big storyline for the game, and I mean the fact that they I think the fact that they were able to make make him as uncomfortable as they did was a win given who they had available. Yeah, I think next week if Gregory comes back, you know, obviously Gregory and George Armstrong will probably be your starters. I do think, you know, you need to figure out, like like Dave said, figure out different packages to get Parsons in there. I would imagine that Kamara will be

up instead of an eye. I think, yeah, I like not not just the play that we saw Kamara, Herbert got around him a little bit. He needs to He needed to take a different angle there. He could have really made a nice play on him. But he had a couple more rushes later in the game Kamara did. I didn't see and I really doing a whole lot there. And I don't think a Night's is great run stoppers. So if you're gonna just get a guy in there to run and rush, Kamara will probably be that guy.

But it's good to have Gregory back. I think they got to figure out how to get Parsons to do a little bit of everything. But you know, he had a lot of time. I thought the third down numbers would be a lot more, And then when I was looking at him five of twelve or forty one percent, I would have thought it was more about a sixty percent. It felt like seven of ten. Yeah, it just proboys were six of ten on third down. Oh, they just weren't ever on the field that I mean, that was

it was a maddening Why. I I like Justin Herbert a lot. I've I'm buying stock in his career, No doubt he's a hell of a quarterback. And continuing on that conversation of the defense, Jalen Smith led the team with nine tackles. What do you think of this before

it's Nick kind of alluded to it littarlier Bore. We thought he played, and you're great on a curve, right, like for the the expectation, which is that you know everybody and everybody hates him and he can't make any plays and he's always at a position and he wasn't perfect by any stretch. But with all of that into consideration, I thought he played. I thought he played a really good game. I mean, he made a couple of plays in space. There were a couple of plays. He had

a tackle on Eckler. I was just in my head, I'm just like jail and you're not gonna get there. Oh okay, And on one of me carried Eckler across the field. Necla made the catch, which when you're going across field there's a lot of times you expect they're gonna make the catch because the defender is at a disadvantage in those situations. But I thought he stayed with him and actually made the tackle after the catch made

it impressed. He had a pass breakup and I think I don't know if he was doing the Lebron stomp or what that was. No, I'm serious, because Lebron was there. Who wasn't. Yeah, there was a ton of people there that the celebrity types that was I mean Conn Gregor, but that's Los Ange, I know, I know, like every NBA play ian Post Malone was there. Of course. Yeah, it was kind of weird that they put you know, the Chargers, you know, welcome Jamie Fox. It's like, you know,

he does our stuff, Jamie Fox does whatever. Both thanks. But you know, it's easy to talk about Jaylen because he played and how did he do? And then Parsons is doing this, and then I mean, let's quietly they Manish had a nice game too, I mean seven tackles, two for loss, had a sack. I mean it worked out to do it this way, to put Parsons here to rush. He got better as the game went on. And those guys were able to to to you know,

man up there in the middle. I haven't seen Keano Neil do a whole lots and team he actually had a play because I tweeted about it when he did, and I was like, these linebackers are actually playing really well. And I'm not talking at that point, I wasn't talking about Parsons. I was talking about the other three and they all were making just these different plays that were just kind of catching your attention. And Neil had done something I forgot what it was. We'd done something that

was a I thought was a an outstanding play. But yeah, I think all three of the linebackers I think did a really fine job yesterday. And again that's one of the areas where they have depth. So now you're able to fill in a little bit with what you're missing on the defensive line and use some of that depth at linebacker and as we will talk about a little bit later, maybe even at safety. Considering the circumstances they were up against, and they didn't they didn't play wonderful,

and I think it's worth pointing out. I mean, it goes both ways. Because the Jron Curse interception that got wiped out. Was that was bs? That was terrible call. That was just run of the mill contact. I should have stood. But at the same time, the Chargers had two touchdowns wiped out and one of them looked like last year where and that was what I was afraid of.

Herbert got away from the rush and extended it and he's like, oh, eighty one's just standing down there on the five yard line like that type of stuff makes you nervous, but it gets wiped out by a flag, so nobody really worries about it. After the game, all of that considered, you know, they got picks, they made great play like, they made plays in space, and they did not let Herbert's ability to extend plays killed him. I mean he heard him a couple of times. Geez,

Louise I almost said something else. The throw that Herbert made across the hash and went and it went above Diggs's hand one of the most amazing throws I've ever seen. And it's easy to hate on Diggs for not making the play or not being in better position. Herbert might be the only quarterback in the NFL who can make that throw. Honestly, it was I mean, he's a free and so again all of that in consideration, didn't have a pass rush to speak of, not like you would prefer.

They held up pretty well seventeen points and picked him off and made life difficult for him. We're gonna go and take our final break. When we come back, I do want to talk a little bit about the safety position. We saw some some players step up there and we gotta obviously give a little love Treyvon Diggs as when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Hi, I'm Clint Tullison with you United aggin Turf. Before you can park yourself in front of the game, park yourself

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It happens, all right. So here's what we're gonna win. The final segment, we're talking about the things that happened in this game. We've talked about the defense. I didn't get to the secondary, though, and I think the secondary was an area where we saw. For myself, I saw confirmation of things I thought during training camp, which are really Number one, I think Trayvon Diggs is the truth.

I think he is going to be a very good cornerback for this team, the kind of cornerback you can put on the best receiver from the other team and he's not gonna get beat up and he's gonna make some plays. And that interception he made I thought was phenomenal. But the second part of that is I think they've got a ton of depth at depth at safety, more

than they've had in a very very long time. What do you guys think about the secondary industrially, Well, I mean, Diggs has got one goal at this point individually, and that's to make the Pro Bowl. I mean, he's that's the that's the track that he's on here. He gets interceptions, he's got two now and and you know, two games.

But more than anything, he's traveling with with great players and Kenan Allen is a great player, absolutely, and I thought that that was just an outstanding you know matchup there um and and you know, give CD Lamb credit because they worked Treyvon Diggs, and I mean it was he got all this kind of attention to training camp and so you know he's he's gonna get. What we said it all the time is that this is preparing him for the for the season. So I thought Digs

did an outstanding job. And they make plays on the ball, A great catch because he was a great catch, great play by curse. I mean that was an outstanding play. Okay, penalty fine, but to find the ball and get it, so they're making plays, that's what I like about it. I owe I might owe Treyvon Diggs an apology. It's not like I didn't. I didn't think he wasn't good. But we talked about it all the time where I

was like, I've been here before. You know, Byron Jones looked like an All Pro safety in twenty seventeen, and you just you watch the same thing over and over and over again, and you're in this bubble of confirmation and things get twisted. So I just I was in my head. I was like let's see how Digs does once the season starts, like is he as good as he looks? Or is this another banana and the tailpipe? Clearly I was incorrect. I mean he's a stud and

he looks fantastic. Obama players can be tricky, yeah, if they're not first round picks. The first round picks are typically in the pass rushers and all those guys are great. But if you're not a first round pick at Alabama, especially a secondary guy, you're thinking, was he really that good? Or is he just playing with all these other great

players and great pass rushers and all that. Because you go back and look, I mean across the league, the Alabama players taking rounds two through seven, they're not as great at all. I mean it's a huge drop off, and I'm of course it is from the first round, but I'm saying they don't even fall through the cracks, you know. So he is actually performing like like like a first round pick, like a first round pick, which so and the other thing. So, yeah, Trayvon awesome, which

I looked. I just look, Kenan Allen had a hundred yards did not feel like it, did not feel like it at all, which I mean that's a testament to I think how hard it is to hold that offense down and he got and how how hard it is to hold him He got an enormous chunk of that on that one super extended play. You know, he caught the ball down by like the five yard line. He had a forty two yard long and I'm I'm I'm not sold that this secondary is some incredible unit. I know,

I know they're not. They're not, but I'm super encouraged and excited. And Nick just said it. They have ball skills like Diggs's. Both of Diggs's picks have been no, no Cowboys dB in the last decades. Making that play even I said that last night to Todd Archer, we were on the same plane. I was like, both of Diggs's picks, that's not happening. He was like, well, Diggs's first pick was just it was just a tipped screen pass.

And I was like, yeah, And guys that were here five years ago would have done this thing for a couple of seconds, let it hit the ground, and then they're pounding on the ground and doing push ups, and right oh hand Diggs makes the play. Jay Ron Kurt again, I don't want to throw out any I don't want to throw anybody under the bus. But there are safeties that have been here in past years where the ball would pop up in the air and again, yeah, they kind of bat at it and it hits the ground.

Now when that happens, it's Dorn's armstrong. Yeah, like the ball and hit him because everybody's like baits of playing, you know, but okay, if you're safety, that's one thing defensive in I think he gets a pass Demante Casey's he had the most straightforward play and that one might have been even more difficult because Herbert throws a fricking laser to a guy on another level, so it's even closer.

You know, he he saw it, he had a quarter of a second to react to that, and he goes up and snags it like a receiver and very impressive and then in the end zone, by the way, that's what made it such a great term. And then just the alert you know, thinking of like, oh, let's get down. He even said, man, you know, I thought may I could get out and make a play and then he was like, no, that's pot and that that helped them, you know, And so that's that's two and that's two games. Now,

six takeaways in two games. I don't know if you keep this momentum up, but if they can make plays like this, that translates, right. If you have the wherewithal to react like that and make the play, it gives me confidence that you can do it on a reliable basis, maybe not six every two weeks, but reliably getting them instead of we're so used to the Cowboys defense going through stretches where it's like, well it's been a month

since they've had a takeaway. I don't think that'll happen if these guys can can play with ball skills like that, So that's really encouraging um. And yeah, by the way, I talked about this with Todd last night too. They had that. Remember they had the rash of takeaways in December last year brand Brandon Allen, Nick Mullins and Jalen Hurts. They got six takeaways against Brady and Herbert ye the goat and one of the most exciting young quarterbacks in

the league. So if they can do it against those guys, they should be able to do it against a lot of guys. Comes Darnold, Here, comes Daniel bring Daniel Jones in here, come on, I mean you got mat with with New England. I mean you've got four games in a row now where I mean, this is the stretch we talked about it. When the schedule comes out, everybody probably put a split here, you know, and then it's

like this is where you've got to hit it right here. Yeah, I mean you you've got to win these four games if you really want to be that kind of team. Now, yes, they can lose a game and they'll be fine and all that, but I mean, because two of them are division home games, got to win that and I think they can beat New England. I'm not trying to get ahead. I'm just saying this is a stretch where you know you can go one and one. They could be five and one. And I'm not trying to be that guy

that they're being gay. Well but but but we've seen it. And I said, and I wrote this last night, moral victories. This is why we talk about moral victories because it helped their morale. It builds confidence, built confidence. They figured out how to win even when they didn't. They said,

we can rely on all these people. We can our defense can make plays, our kicker can make a kick at the end of the game, we can go into a road place and we can win and we can beat you know, they didn't, but it led him to this. I think they they won this game. It all started in Tampa and let's not forget this. And this is what my column was last night. You can't get a

crazier week than the Cowboys had last week. On the field, I mean I practice, I mean there was more injuries in practice than in the movie The Program where they're like hitting each other Oklahoma drill, I mean leon Lett gets hurt. I mean go to the hospital. I mean demonte Kazi and oz Iris Mitchell, they run into each other. Mitchell now six weeks and he got hurt, and you

know he came back. I mean you know it's I mean, Gregory's out and all Marcus Lawrence gets hurt in practice too, Like all these things happened, and they were able to come here and get that win. And I'm sitting here thinking how much time we have left here because we do need to talk about the final like that that's next time as soon as y'all whatever, ye Derek is, Derek's a very like checkbox guy. Like, I'm very organized when it comes to this show, I enough to be.

I probably would have started with the final jove no, And actually we saved that to the last war because I knew I wanted to dive into this. So so talking me through that that last sequence, what happened there? Obviously there are a ton of people out there that are like, he completely missed me talking about McCarthy completely mismanaged that last I guess it would have been thirty three seconds or so. What actually happened and what do you believe was the issue or was it just a

circumstance that that just kind of got him there? I take out the word completely, and then I'm good with that. Okay, I think he mismanaged it, completely mismanaged it, Yeah, because they got a field goal and he trusted the guy to make it. But but I think that was mismanaged because you should have got another play there. Um. But

I can speak from experience. I was standing not too far from there, and I saw that the light that the that the he was looking explain you explained what McCarthy said at first, So people kind of know that. But go ahead, Okay, So it's second down and they run the ball to to Pollard with about thirty three seconds to go, and now it's third and three and they're looking him and Kellamore are looking straight ahead at a video board that's been there all game that has

the clock and it has the down and distance. And it went out straight, went out like black went black. It wasn't like a charger's you know, third ound because all that which they used to do that and then they the NFL's stopped that on those boards. But now they're looking around and you know, they haven't found that second clocket, you know, because Dak is looking at a clock. He's got it. So then they I think they panicked

a little bit. Also, Tony Pollard came off the field and he wasn't supposed to, so that messed up their play because they had two plays call. So now they're just kind of in scramble mode. And then they get to that seventeen seconds is when they said is the threshold for you know, running a play and then it's

no timeout, but they didn't have one. I personally when all that happened, to call a time out with about twenty eight seconds, I'm talking to my last take, my last time out and you know I'm gonna try to get a first down, I'm probably gonna throw it. Yeah, that's the tough part because if you only got one time out then now, and on that next play, it either needs to be an incompletion or it needs to be a play that can get you out of bounds.

The likelihood that you're gonna be able to get up there and be able to get your your your kicking unit on the field like that, that's gonna be run and get a first down. You get up there and get up there, spike it. But if you don't get a first down right now, you're rushing everyone up there to kick a fifty four yard Yeah, you're rushing to train change units. So that might have been a bit tough.

I'm just I'm I'm and I get the clock thing, which, although I was joking with you before the show, I mean, there's a clock in the end zone. Dak's been looking at it all day, and that's what Dak said. He was like, I just thought they trusted zirline, Like I knew what I knew exactly what was going on. I'm looking at the clock under the goal post, and I'm

well aware of everything. I just thought they were fine with the field goal, and I'm just like, whoa, everybody knows that that clock's down there, can't you just like look to your left and see what it says? Well, that's easy to say. I will say that. I will say this though, if you also are dealing with last Paula coming out, Phil, where's my clock got? You know there's a lot going on. I mean that that there's

a criminal level of disorganization. I mean, regardless of the clock, and that that's the thing that bothers me is, Yeah, you you have two plays called in that situation, you should be a play ahead of the of the down. And whether it's coaching miscommunication or is it just purely on Tony, I don't know, but whoever, you can't do that in the NFL. Tony's got to know. The coaches have to know they ran. He ran the ball with thirty three seconds left on the clock and it wasn't

even it was just a straight run. Everybody in the building knew the clock was going to run when it was over, and like nobody on the Cowboys seemed like they knew what to do in that situation. And I get all of these variables that were in the way, but just I mean Dak called the play. Somebody, somebody

do something. You know. It's weird about that is when I asked a couple of players after the game, Pollard included maybe also Zack Martin, they said, you know, we practiced this that that four minute sequence more than anything, and I was like, yeah, really that was the part where I'm like, yeah, coach has to I know that there were other things involved, but there's some culpability with the coach in those situations because if they practiced that

a lot, then maybe they should have practiced a little bit more because it was still this at least from from Tony stampoint. Tony didn't know where he was supposed to be. I was. I was so proud of the way that they played it to we talked about this. I was like, they the kick needs to be the last thing that happens in this game, and they played they slow played it so well, like they ran eleven fricking plays. I think they only ran they started with I think they had three fifty eight when they took

the ball. They only ran like two or three plays up until the two minute warning. They were deliberately trying to just bleed the clock out. They throw the Jason Witton out route to Cedric Wilson. It's exactly what it was. Made me laugh and I was like, this is amazing. They're they're doing it. They're doing what a smart team should be doing. And then the bottom just dropped out. It worked out. So I mean, obviously we would have done a half hour on this if it hadn't worked out.

But it just it shouldn't It shouldn't be that sloppy in the NFL. It just shouldn't be. And I get that the clock went out, but figure it out. What

do you guys think of it? I didn't love the play call that preceded it with the end a round to Pollard, and the reason why was because I think if you're going to run that play, then you tell Pollard, look, the important thing here is get to the outside, because if we're gonna do this, we want to give you the ability to be able to run out of bounds, because if they would have been able to get him out of bounds in that situation, you're in a better

situation from the standpoint of the clock and managing the clock from there. I just I just I would have rather a pass play in that kind of situation rather than that, because he gets tackled in the middle of the field, and I think that's what puts you in the position in the first place. That sounds good about getting to the outside, but sometimes these players to get outside, you have to give up a little bit to get there, And the worst thing that could have happened is give

up more yards. You know you gotta did you question? Like he cut back in and I think it was Dave that like somebody was sitting inside me was like, I think we both at the same time, We're like, why do you cut back in? Like he had more real estate and he could outrun those guys in the outside. I need to watch this. I woke up two hours ago, plus I need to rewatch the game. But it reminded me.

Let's let's be clear. You went to bed three hours ago, yea, yeah, yeah, Actually I woke up an hour and a half, right, right, I mean, you took the red eye last night, so it's not like you know, you've had like an hour or sleep maybe, um, but it in the moment, it reminded me of the option play from week one. I felt like whoever was blocking on the boundary kind of lost contain and that's it's a double edged sword. I love Kellen's aggression because if if they had gotten a

block on the outside, I think you're right. I think Tony could turn that guy on the corner and probably get fifteen yards and all of a sudden, this is a very manageable field goal, and Kellen Moore looks like a genius. But you don't get the block, and even if they don't have the mess with the clock, you're still on the edge of field goal. Ringe Um, I think. I mean, that's that's just football is. It could have been the most amazing play call, but you don't get

one block, and so it doesn't look that great in retrospect. Yeah, it was. It was just I think the whole sequence was a little bit baffling for me, but it worked out for me. And you're right, that could have gone really wrong, and that'd be what we're talking about today. Now, they wouldn't lose a game on that, They would go

to overtime. But that's that's kind of part of the problem here, is that I think that there are a lot of people look at this and saying this is the first time there have been situations where you questioned the decisions coming from the coaches and is this going to be an ongoing train where against a better team

you may not have the benefit of a win. It goes back to the thing of I haven't I haven't seen what Mike McCarthy provides on game day yet, you know, just in terms of like that's his specialty and that's what he did, and that I mean, we said the same thing about Jason Garrett for years, like I'm not sure what he brings to game day that makes him better than the other team's coach. And this is the latest example they got away with it, but it's not inspired.

And two weeks in a row that they've also been bailed out right before halftime where they've made decisions that they could have cost them some points. I mean, I don't know why you're rushing the punt there, trying to shoot. We didn't even get to that. Yeah, And actually I was going to talk about that tomorrow because I want to do a little bit of a bit deeper dive into just special teams and how it's being coordinated. This

goes back to last year. This has been a situation where there have been some questionable calls and who's really making these calls and allowing them to happen. Some point, hit coach, if the special team's coordinator is a little more aggressive than you want, at some point you got to step in and be like, all right, slow this down a bit. And that doesn't seem to be happening.

So it reminds me of onside kicks. And I know they change the rule a little bit to make it easier to recover an onside kick, but like the way they've changed the rules to make the game more safe have made onside kicks like incredibly hard to recover. And it's the same thing with blocking a punt, like they're gonna throw the flag if you if the punter gets breathed on. They just are And it's like, um, it's like the old catch rule, like did Dez catch it?

Of course, but the minute that they saw that, it looked like he didn't have possession. There's just there's landmarks that referees look for because the game moves so fast, margeting right, yeah, which and it leads to a lot of bad calls. I get that the Cowboys didn't technically do anything wrong. They their guy got I think it was Kamara got pulled into the punter. I understand that. Guess what all the ref seas is the punter's foot go above his head and he's like, flag you hit

the punter? Sorry about it. And my point is you might not like it, but what is the risk versus the reward? The risk is like at least fifty percent that you're gonna draw a flag, and the reward is like a two percent chance that you blocked the punt. Like how often do you see block punts in the NFL? Out One thing to note I did here this this morning.

Did happen in Week one between Pittsburgh and Buffalo. But well, the charges have I want to say that they said the Chargers have been they have had the most punts blocked all last year of any team in the NFL. So you may go into that game thinking there are opportunities here. Again not saying that was the right situation for them to go for that, but that could have been something that factored into their decision, and I'm sure it was, and I'm sure John will say that when

he talks to the media later today. Yeah, I don't know. Risk verse reward just doesn't doesn't seem like it clicks for me. All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna get a little bigger picture look at this team and around the NFC East. Will also talk about the coordinators. I want to talk about what they're doing right now. We've been seeing a lot of good things from the offensive and defensive coordinators

for sure. We'll talk about that tomorrow too. Then for Nick even to Dave helm and I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.