Cowboys Break: How Bad Are The Injuries?

of The Break. I'm joined by Nick Eatman Dave Hellman. We're talking some Cowboys football with you guys for the next forty five minutes, maybe an hour, depending on how these guys go. H. We got a lot of topics. But y'all just amused because there's a camera. I mean, because there's a no just video. Nick loves looking at the monitor. But also I'm I look even shorter than normal today. Yeah, that's a sair. So yeah, that's what I was mentioning. Just doesn't care, doesn't care. You should

be showing off the haircut. You got the fresh yet cut. Yeah. Put me on the little yeah the front, yeah, cleaned it up. We can barely see you though I know what I mean, people don't. This is not a face for TV, like they put me on TV because I'm here. But let's be honest. So all right, this works. I think it looks good. You got a good haircut. It looks good on you. Let's jump in. Let's talk about this game. Cowboys lose to the Arizona Cardinals nineteen to

sixteen preseason games. So wins and losses really don't matter. But what does matter is how how how the team played. And before we get to how the team's team played, I think what matters most is how healthy are you once the game is done. Let's start with Neville Gallimore. Tell me where he is, what's going on with his injury, and what do we expect me as far as time frame. Honestly, for what it looked like, it's probably a best case

scenario for Neville Gallimore. I mean, just the amount of pain that he was in and the way that you know, the length of time it took him to get off the field looked really bad. I mean, it is bad. He hyper extended his elbow, but you could have convinced me he was done for the year based on what it looked like. And it sounds more like a six eight week type of deal. I think he'll start the

season on IR if I had to guess. But he's got a chance to come back in the first half of the season, which is good news considering how bad it looked. Yeah, and that's the thing that I think if you didn't watch the game and you just saw the headline of an article we had about encouraging, you know, it's like encouraging timetable because based off of what it looked like. Now, I did see some of the comments on there, like that's not encouraging because he's out for

probably two months. But like Dave saying, it could it could have been, and it looked like it could have been worse. I mean, best case scenario maybe six weeks. If you think, you know, we're three weeks away from the season starting, probably three games would be best case scenario.

You know, four or five games is worse. But they have to make the decision on you know, do they want to put them on an IR to return, And that'll just you know, they'll they'll get to make that decision when we get closer, when we get on cut day. Real quick, just explain to people that all rules because they were they changed last year and now they're going to continue with what they had last year. Hopefully it's

a permanent change. I know it three weeks. Three yes, so you're out for three weeks, you can come back, and there's no limit on the number of guys they can do that with, which I never I never understood why you have to punish a team for a guy getting hurt. Like, if a guy's out, you know, you used to what you used to get two guys that you could bring back, and it was eight weeks. So you know, if a guy's got a month long injury, you know basically have to shut down his season, even

though you don't really need to. I just I always hated that. Well, there's a guy you know up in the North East that that bends the rules a lot, and so they they but but but a lot of coaches, a lot of teams that that's what they would do. They would end up stashing players and say that they're hurt, and he wouldn't be the only one, right, No, No, there's a lot of teams, you know, and it's like, oh, or you hurt, No, I'm okay, And then you drop a weight on his foot, and his foot's hurt and

he's out and he's on. I don't even drop it. You just gotta act like you, right. So you know they're trying to make sure and police that. But I agree that there's got to be a better middle ground, and I think we're fine. We're finding it here now. The one the one thing about that is is that you have to be on the roster week one. That's that's the one thing here. So well, not week one, day one, Day one. I'm sorry, day one, don't. Yeah,

you don't. You don't have to be there for the first game, but you do have to be on the roster for twenty four hours, which I mean, we saw it last year. It's gonna be a thing that they do again this year. They're gonna get creative with it. Um. You know, c J. Goodwin was the guy last year, could be him again, be him again. They're gonna you know, vested veterans, if you've played four seasons in the league, you don't have you're not subject to the waiver wire.

You're not subject to that stuff. So you could see a c. J. Goodwin or maybe a J Ron Curse. Garrett Gilbert Garrett Gilbert. There's abody like that that they cut. Any number of guys that you can cut and say stick by her. Yeah, sure, anybody that's been in the league four years or longer. I mean, well, no, they couldn't do it to Dak because of his contract. That's a terrible I was trying to use it as an example.

But anybody that's been in the league for four years or longer, you say, this is procedural, Go chill at home for a day, we'll call you. We gotta move some guys, and you know it's the cut. Kennedy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they cut five years, so that's what's going to happen. I would guess Neville goes to i R when the season starts, especially again, you got this log jam of young players. Obviously you would prefer him to be healthy, but this helps you make room for some of those

types of guys. Uh. You know, at Tristan Hill could be moved to PUP. Maybe I gotta figure out what's up with Chauncey Gholston. People keep asking me about him. We're into the point of camp now where I feel like, wasn't it a hamstring? Yeah, let's go what I mean, well you, I mean there are degrees of hamstring. Let's go, let's go, there are degrees of hamstring. Jordan Lewis missed ten days with one. Chauncey's me. I covered Miles Austin.

I understand. Francis Bernard is another one here, just hamstring on like the first day of camp and hasn't come close to practicing sinse. So but those are guys again. You know, Chauncey could wind up on pup to start the season. We'll have to see anyway, a lot of procedural stuff. But like I said, based on I mean, Neville was screaming on the field on front. I was like, this looks awful, and so four to eight weeks after that, I call that good news. Let's look at tight end

as well. Tight End it's starting to be a position. Is that on your list? Yeah, I'm gonna get to you know they on the run down. I'm gonna get to that right after this. But but before we get there, That's why I went there. Before we get there, though, I did want to ask you guys about the defensive tackle position because when you just look at the depth of and Dave, you kind of started getting into it.

But in my opinion, watching throughout training camp, that was only one defensive tackle position or player that I felt like was he is on the roster. He will be a guy that's going to be a regular rotation guy. There were a lot of guys doing a lot of different things, but Nevill Galliman will always working the first team.

He was always out there. What does this mean for the defensive tackle position now that he will be out presumably at least three weeks, maybe some more, it's probably you know, it helps Carlos Watkins, even though he was playing pretty well anyway, I mean him Urban. You know, we were all we were wondering how it was gonna shake out, and it's kind of shaking itself out here now temporarily temporarily now after you know, four or five weeks of the season, we'll see. But then who knows

if someone else doesn't get banged up. So I would think week one, you know, of the of a regular season, you know you're looking at an inside, You're looking at Watkins Urban, DIGI zua help me here, and I'm missing another tackle, I mean not a three technique because that's I mean, you know, you got Quentin you got Quentin Bohem, you got Justin Hamilton. But that's the interesting thing for me is and that's why I think right now, this is an incredible opportunity for Osa because they drafted him

to play three technique. That's what they want him to focus on right now, and all like everybody's versatile. You know, Watkins can do a little bit of everything, but nevill was going to start as your three technique in your four man front, and Osa is really the only guy that specializes in that right now. And so you know, I think he's probably the next man up to start. I do think, yeah, I think they're going to keep their eyes peeled. This is where your pro personnel comes

into play. You know, we ran into our old buddy, Walter Julife on Friday night. The Longtime Scout team sends scouts to every game in the league for this reason is to look and say, okay, is there is there a pass rushing defensive tackle on any of these teams that might not have a future here that we can take a look at. I know people are gonna bring up Geno Atkins. He's still available. I don't why you

raise your eyebrows. I could from the from the reports, it doesn't sound like he's like a guy you necessarily want to go out and rely on. I mean, it sounds like he is. His injury history like it doesn't promising, and I don't I don't think they're gonna do that. I think they're gonna look at Neville's situation and say, we'll have him back in October. We've got some young guys we like. If there's a guy we can claim or a guy we can do a minor trade for

when cuts come. We've seen him do stuff like that before. That's what I would expect to happen. I do think they'll try to add to it, but not in some crazy splashy way. Right. All right, let's move on, Nick, you kind of preempted it. We do need to talk about the tight end position. And actually let's go and jump into that because I want to get to Randy get Gregory. But let's start a tight end since you

brought that one up. Sean McEwan gets hurt in the game. Uh, he was a guy that I think we all agree he had had pretty much played himself onto this roster um. What does this mean now for the tight end position? I guess first tell me what his injury is and how long, what his statusus like, and then let's talk about what it means for the It's a high ankle sprain, and high ankle sprain can obviously vary. Um. I've seen him.

I've seen guys out six weeks. I've seen a guy come back and play on Thanksgiving short week, So I mean, where does he fall in there? Probably, you know, three to four weeks or so, which is which is another situation of you know, we'll see if he's an ir to return on the roster in the first day. But you know they're gonna they're they're still gonna limit Blake Jarwin, you know, I mean, he played some they're not going

to just rush him back there. And even though Dalton Schultz is banged up with an ankle injury, I don't think that's I don't think it's that serious though for Dalton Schultz. So Sprinkles, you know, the only healthy really you know, veteran tight end there. And then you've got two other guys I don't even know their names. I was excited about you Banks coming in. He had He's got deceptive athleticism, but haven't seen a ton from either

of those guys. Really may I mean, you're so far down in the depth chart at that point, I wonder which you know, you always try to glean things from what you get to see. McEwen was in a boot and had crutches on Friday night, But that doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's kind of like Dak having an MRI. It's like, well, yeah, like you have access to this stuff, doesn't cost you any money. Why not? Why do you want a two hundred and fifty pound guy putting weight

on his leg if he doesn't have to. So that doesn't necessarily mean that he's out forever. And that's going to be an interesting one because if you're three weeks from the start of the season, so you could probably get away with just carrying him on your fifty three for a week or two, but you might have to you know, maybe Jeremy Sprinkle makes the team now when he probably wouldn't have before, And now you're just carrying

four when maybe you were thinking you could carry three. Sure, And I mean McEwan was gonna make He's had a good camp as a tight end, but special teams is a big part of that too. He played a lot last year, and it's you know, it's it's funny how it's ironic the way all of these things tend to tie together. Because she wo allan Alua also hurt, probably not gonna be ready for the start of the season

to hear it from Mike McCarthy. So, now, all these big body guys that can do a lot of stuff on special teams, you're you're losing them, and so they're going to have to find a way to get creative with that. You know, Kellen Moore was asked that question and he said, there's a lot of ways to do that, you know, whether it be four tight ends with a fullback, an extra running back. He even said, an extra wide receiver or a wide receiver that can do some of

those roles. And you know, I don't think he's great at it, but Noah Brown has done it in the past, and he's kind of got that big, big body to do that that's not as forte and then he kind of gets into, you know, you get into a role that he's not as comfortable with. So but you know, I think if they needed to do some things on game day, Noah Brown could be one of the you know, feels like you're going to probably keep six receivers here. I would think, yeah, still, really we still have two

games to play in the preseason. But I I just can't see them cutting you know, any of those three backups. You know, I think it's three and then three and then after that. I don't know, but the three Malik Turner, Noah Brown and well see that's im. Sorry, I'm fascinated by that because I was talking about this before the game on Friday. Yeah, Cedric, Cedric and Noah should make the team. Like I know, the front office wants to

save money look somewhere else. I mean, like they're not that expensive, and they're versatile, and they're clearly the best players. They're clearly much better than the other guys. You know. I know people were saying Noah had a drop at the beginning of that game. I didn't think that was a drop. I mean, he could have caught it, but it was a well played ball by the dB in my opinion, like Michael Gallup dropped it. That's I Noah Brown, I don't. I don't consider that a drop anyway. I

think they're a lot better than everybody else. They've been working with Dak for three four years at this point, so if they need to play, they have that rapport with him. I just and the special teams obviously, Like that just doesn't make sense to me, but I do. The thing I wonder about is Malik Turner and Semi Fajoko, Like, how important is your draft pick? First? How valuable? I mean, Malik Turner can do a lot of stuff. I'm not convinced Semi can. But he's the he's the draft pick,

and he's he's got the very interesting intangibles. I you know, I just take my chances on the practice squad with him. Yeah. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And my bed is there's probably the vast majority of teams out there have a Semi Fioco, Like they have somebody at their camp where it's like, we think we can get him to the practice squad, We're not really sure. I think those guys tend to maybe available to you. This will be my ninth round of roster cuts, and I can't,

you know, everybody brings up Danny Amendola. Like in the time that I've covered the team, I can't think of a guy that they cut who got away from him. Yeah, not like somebody that everybody was like Noah, oh my god, him and Ammndola. People forget that Ammendola actually made it

through a whole season. He was on practice squad the entire rookie season and then the Eagles when when they made the playoffs and the Cowboys didn't, the Eagles just tried to sign him to their thinking they could make him to their practice squads and say we're still and it didn't work out, but he still went and signed with someone else. But I mean, it's not like he

was he was. He wasn't even claimed right away. Yeah, and he was a Hard Knocks feature and all that stuff like that, and that's happens, but not not much. Rondelle Carter got claimed like the Colts signed him, but that was a month end of the season. He wound up back a month later. Blake Jarwin tried to leave, but even that was like October. It convinced him to stay. It's it's a lot more rare than people think that a guy gets claimed off your initial cuts in my experience,

at least yep um. Real quick. You mentioned Molie Turner. He did also have an injury as well. What's his status. Turf toe, turf it's what they're calling it. Um, I don't have a timeline that's talked to our buddy Brian brought us about this, and I mean it's a sad reality. Like you know, injuries can differ based on how much

work you need to do to make the team. So I mean, if that's if that's maybe you know, maybe he doesn't go today, But if that's the thing that you can grind through and still be available, one of the minor the reality of being at the bottom of the feel good one of the most injury for later. But that's one of the most underrated injuries. Seriously, Oh the pain of it. Oh well just I mean, you you think that it's not a big deal. I get

you got nine more. It is a very not serious sounding injury, like maybe we need to give it him suss, like you stubbed your toe. But like in the reality when you're especially as any anybody that's trying to run and cut and do all that, like it's you realize how much you use that well, I mean, turf toe changed a whole season for the Cowboys back at ninety eight Dan Sanders. They were rolling and then Dion gets hurt with turf toe, and you know they weren't the

same after that, so that that really affects him. I've seen that injury really affect the whole team. It was it was turf toe that Patrick Mahomes had in the home stretch of last year, right, And I mean he obviously played through it, but he needed surgery when the season was over. So but you know, when you're the seventh receiver, sixth receiver on the team, which so we'll see how long he's out, but that just might be

a situation where you got to grind through it. We'll see, all right, real quick, let's talk about Tie and Seki. He also at one point left the game. I think he came back, but I just wanted to make sure he's okay. I think that might and I don't know this for sure. I haven't heard anything firm about him, but he did walk off the field and literally three days prior to the game, he had the same thing happened where he got tangled up left kind of walked it off for ten or fifteen minutes and then was

fine later. And I mean, he's like thirty six years old, and it just might be a reality of playing offensive tackle when you've got that much mileage on your knees. I don't I don't know what's going to happen at that tackle position. That is a tough one. Yeah, honestly, honestly that it to me, it's it's the offensive line because you look at the that's the backup at the tackles, the interior offensive line. Like, who knows how they're gonna We're gonna talk about that a little later in the

show too, but yeah, make your point. I have no idea. No, I'm just saying I have no idea what's going on with I don't really know what they're trying to do at center. Not really sure what's going on at swing tackle, you know. I mean, they would love if Terrence Steele could just do it, but I don't. I don't know if they think he can. Yeah, and I don't think they are one hundred percent confident. Insecky And then you got your you know, does Martin is he is he

the swing tackle there? I mean, it's just I'm starting to think he should be and I think I think it was last It was one of our last shows in Oxnard where I was like I'd rather keep Zach at guard if I can. But yeah, but if you do, if you do that at this point, yeah, if that is the option, then I don't know why Insechi would be here. Well, I do think. I think it's two

different things. I think if you're in a game and you lose a tackle, that I would like Insecchi or or Steele to be able to just step in and play the rest of that game. If you lose a tackle for an extended period of time, I don't think he even mess around. Whether you say, Zach Martin, get on out there to tackle and be ready to play this weekend at tackle and play it for the next

few weeks until we get our guy back. Yeah, I think that's the way I look at I think I would be the opposite, honest really, yeah, I think I would rather. I would rather the Zach kick out in the middle of the game. Well, here's the way reason why I look at it like that, A team isn't gonna necessarily game plan for Steel or Insecchi during the middle of a game. If they got a week and they're like, oh, that's gonna be their starting tackle, I think there's gonna be all kinds of problems because I

don't think that they are. I don't think there is good of players obviously, And I think that if you give a team a week to realize what kind of player they are and how you can get them, I think you're they're gonna get them a lot. So I again, in the game, I think you can probably manage. You

can probably get by when you got a week. Give me, give me my best guy to slide out to tackle, because I want them to have to think about the fact he's going to be out there, don't I don't think it takes that long to realize if Tyren Smith's not out there and it's Terrence Steele. Now that now, now we're gonna move this guy to this side and he's gonna rush off the edge, And like, I don't think there's needs a lot of game planning involved. It's

like we're gonna blitz on that side. Now. We weren't going to do that at all, but now we are. Because yeah, but the but the thing is that that defensive end didn't spend all week watching film of Terrence Steele to be able to beat Terren Steele. He watched the week of film of Tyren Smith. Does he need it?

He may not, but I'm saying he has. Imagine what happens when he does have a week of watching Terrence Steele to prepare to play Terrence Like it's differently saw that right, So I think that's the way I look at it. I think that's why I want one of those guys to at least be manageable to get me through the end of the game. And then I'll adapt and say, give me my best calf right to step my quarterback. Twenty nine of the thirty two teams in

the league think this. But now the depth on the offensive line is worrisome, and I the Connor Williams center experiment thing makes me real nervous. Now that was like in you know, first game, bad snaps are like, yeah, it's his first game ever. Two more bad snaps in the second game, and so it it reminds me of like my college career, like just trying to cram for a test the night before. It's like, why did you wait until July twenty third to try this? Why weren't

we doing it before? Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a break when we come back We are going to talk about the offensive line, in particularly that interior part of the offensive line, and get your opinions on what they're doing at center right now. But before we get to that, we're going to talk about the quarterback, Dak Prescott. I'm gonna find out where he is right now in his recovery and what you can expect from him over the next couple weeks heading into the season.

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All right, let's jump back into our conversation we were We wanted to talk about Dak Prescott coming out of camp. He had been injured. He mentioned there before we left camp that he was going to have a He thought he was progressing really well. He was going to have a n m R when he got back to Dallas, just to make sure everything's progressing. Well. What did they find when they did the MRI. Least surprising thing ever, is they said he was going to have it today.

And I don't know this for sure, but I know Dak decently well by this point. I just feel like he woke up Saturday and was like, why why are we waiting? What are no Like? Isn't a machine? It's a machine right over there? Right? Yeah, So this sounds like McCarthy's that way too, watching that one episode of Yeah, He's like, whatever, Yeah, let's go, let's get started on this. If this is going to if this is going to affect me and my team again, let's find out now, right,

the indication is that it won't. Um, he had the MRI. It sounds like everything's good, he's healing up. Um, there's no additional damage from these throwing sessions. So it just sounds like he's going to continue on his path. I don't think he's I don't think he's gonna get out there tonight and rip fifty balls. But he should do a little bit more. And I do like I don't.

I don't think anybody knows if he'll actually play on Saturday right now, but I bet that's the goal, is to see how he handles some work, see if he can ramp himself up in these practices this week, and try to get him, you know, six to ten snaps on Saturday night if that's feasible. Not Again, like, they don't know right now, because you got to see how he handles this. You're not going to throw him out there if it doesn't seem right. But I bet that they would like to do that. Yeah, And I mean,

obviously we don't know if he'll play this Saturday. But my suspicion is, and I'll let you guys speak for yourselves, my suspicion is, you guys feel pretty good that he will be there come Thursday, September ninth, when the Cowboys traveled to Tampa Bay. Always have yes. I feel like that's that's been the goal and that's the only I mean, I wouldn't say it's the only goal, but it's the it's the main goal. And if if they can get in a couple of snaps in preseason, fine, but you

know they'll be they'll be fine without it. Just like to reiterate my position, as long as we're doing this, somebody somebody like, you know, they had that rash of injuries, like four guys got hurt in twenty minutes on Friday night, and somebody on Twitter was like, are we sure we want Dak to play in the preseason. I was like, absolutely the hell not. No, we don't. I mean the

coaches might, and Dak might. But if if snap one against Shaquille Barrett and damackin Sue Is, if that's the first snap of his season, that's a okay with me. As long as he's ready for it. Yeah, that's one thing I learned from Hard Knocks. That's a very intense guy. He doesn't like not playing, so they're having to hold him back. For his own good. You needed to see that to know well, I mean, I know, well, he doesn't conduct himself that way in the media. That's the difference.

The difference is I knew that Dak wanted to be out there. I knew that Dak was a really, really impressive competitor. What I saw in that was that he is intense, Like he's very intense, and he doesn't take too kind to lead to people not wanting not giving him the opportunity to get on the field. And so that that the That was the part that was I think a revelation for me, because that's not who he is off the field, right, You gotta be a little bit of an a hole to be great at that.

I mean to be great at anything really, probably, but especially a quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk about the backup quarterbacks. Nick, you wrote an interesting article and Garrett Gilbert in that game, he was seven of sixteen or forty four percent completion percentage. He had eighty yards passing. His rating was fifty nine point four.

Not a great statistical day for him. But all that being said, and I know you wrote the article, tell me what the I guess the point of your article and what you're thinking right now at the backup quarterback. Well, if they're always going to keep looking for everything, and it doesn't matter if he was, if it was one fifty eight point three was the rating, they're going to always look to see if there's something better, and they're going to continue to do that, and they're going to

continue to look at the waiver wire. I don't feel like there's going to be a lot of options that are better than what they have. So I feel like he's going to be the backup. And I thought he played well in that game. I thought he was putting in some very uncomfortable situations and I thought he did a really nice job handling himself there. He didn't get a lot of help. You expect your center to get

the ball back to you. Two instances that he didn't, he still managed to kind of, you know, salvage it and make a play. And you know, Army crawled here and got up and threw it and all that. And then he steps in the pocket on another play and throws it over the middle to Michael Gallup and Gallop missed the ball. You know, he catches that ball like he should, and you know they're in a much different situation in that drive. I think he can get it down to probably the ten yard liner, So we'll see

what happens there. I thought he did a nice job there and I don't feel like there's gonna be a lot of other options there. Um, when it's time to to change it out. They're giving him the chance to win the job, and I think he's going to do that. I think you are. I think he already has. Remember he's not going to lose it to somebody that's on this team. And oh he's not. He's not going to No, I agree with you. I was laughing because I don't

even think that's close. It's not like I don't know about other guys out there, but I don't think that's even close. Cooper Rush has he's looked all right. Um. I think there's a clear difference in arm talent when he's out there, like if he if he if he's got to throw it outside the numbers, it doesn't It doesn't look great in my opinion, just in terms of getting it there with the speed and accuracy that it needs. Yeah, I don't want to throw one more thing in there.

Too like, and I wrote this that I don't care who you are in the league. I don't care if you won Super Bowls, Pro Bowls, whatever, You're not making a better throw to Cedric Wilson on the right side. You're not gonna. I mean, like that is in his arsenal. We'd know that he'd made a throw like that and

his first started to Amari Cooper and against Pittsburgh. He can do that, and so you know, he reminds me a little bit of Jason Garrett in the way, even though Garrett's he's taller and he's got a better arm. But as far as you know, good deep ball touch, will stay ready, very smart, understands what he's doing. That's kind of what you want out of a backup y. I think more than anything, he just looks comfortable, and

that's that's the best thing you can ask for. Probably, Yeah, And it was actually it was the play we talked about earlier that some were calling a drop by Noah Brown, like to get that ball off the feet, like off the carpet, maneuver around all the garbage and still get an accurate throw off. It was very impressive. It was an incompletion and I thought it was probably the most impressive play of his night. Yeah. No, he just he is leaps and bounds better than the other two guys

on this team. And you know, I keep saying his name, but there's no interest in Blake Bortles. Clearly or else something would have happened by now because he's just sitting out there. He might even be back in Green Bay soon because Jordan loves Hurt, So I don't think there's anybody available right now that they like more. And when you talk about quarterbacks like yeah, people bring up the situation in Chicago, but it's hard for me to imagine

them trading for a salary like that. Maybe if one of those guys gets released, maybe, But if I had to bet on it, I would say Garret Gilbertville. Yeah, I look at a backup quarterback, and to me, a backup quarterback just needs to if everyone else around him can pick it up. When you lose your starter, they give you a chance to win. And that's what would have to happen. You've got all these this talent on

this offense, they'd have to step up. And I think if you would have given him the two starting tackles in the game that he played last year, I think that may have ended up being a different game. I mean, I thought he played a decent game for what the situation is placed in. So yeah, I think I've seen enough to where I feel like he can be a solid backup for you. And what you have to do is, again, if if Dad goes down, everybody else is gonna have to play better in order to make sure that you

have even a chance. But I think if everybody else can play better, then I think he'll give you a chance. Maybe I don't know. I still think this is not a good backup quarterback situation, like you think again team, you know the Saints. How many teams have those, and it's only it's only five or six that ever feel

good about it. It's either if you have a first round pick that's not starting yet like the Packers or maybe the Bears forty nine ers, or if you luck into an amazing situation like the Cowboys did with Andy last year. Or you know, the Saints had Teddy Bridgewater when he was trying to resurrect his career, Like you need good fortune to have that situation. That being said, I don't think the Cowboys have it right now. I mean, Garrett Gilbert's fine, He's definitely better than what's available. Oh

it's not. I don't feel great about this situation, but given that they don't seem likely to do anything about it, I feel okay. Well, it's shortsighted too for any fan to think that, you know, something's not going to give. When you give a guy forty million dollars a year at that position, you have to give something. And that's and you're you're banking on him to be great. You're banking on him to be one of the best quarterbacks you know, in the in the league, if not the best.

That's what they're that's what they're hoping for, that's what that's what they paid him to do. So you can't really you just don't have a lot of money in resources to do anything other than that. And they're hoping to lucky. Dave said, luck into it. A guy that's been around seven years and he's got three starts, I mean, but hopefully the experience of being around in different systems will get him ready to play. All right, we're gonna take our final break. When we come back, I want

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the Break. Life and SWBC Mortgage Studios at the start. Hey, real quick, I don't know if y'all were listening. Do y'all ever listen to? Uh? Y'all ever listening? Hanging with the boys? Not really? To be honest with you, sure that's not a shot at any of our colleagues, Like I don't. Well, they were taking shots at us this morning and it got so bad where I literally walked down and got on the air. Are you serious? I can't tell if you're kids. I'm very seriously. They mad

that they weren't at training camp. Well, they just they took it personal that I was. I called him out and said, they want a better show than us, and so they they're now like they've launched this war against the Break where they're gonna just show the Break that they are the better show. I was like, well, numbers will prove it. So let's let's see where you go with it. I mean, okay, it's like practice squad chirping

at QB one. Okay, it's like when the little kid runs up to you and you just gotta hold them. Like that's like the young man during during training camp. Disbelieve Kurt would talk like that. Well, Kurt was the only one, wasn't there, He probably would have talked some sense and to him, like, y'alla once, tone this down a little bit. Kurt Kelvin Joseph form like he kind of made headlines for talking about no fly zone, airplane

mode and all that. Somebody asked Dak about it and he was like, yeah, I don't think he's gotten a chance to go against me and my guys, so you know, maybe he should do that before he runs his mouth more or less. I mean I'm paraphrasing basically, yeah, yeah, same energy. I just didn't know if you guys heard that this one well you started it, well I did, but I mean it was just, you know, it was just interesting me if they had something to say a matter of fact. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what

that all means as we get into the season. Competition brings out the best and everything. Hide lifts all boats. Got no problem with competition whatsoever. I told him they should listen in to the break more often. Maybe he'll get some pointers. All right, let's get back in. We do need to talk about the offensive line, particularly the

interior part of the offensive line. This last game, Connor Williams started at center, and I keep seeing a lot of media guys they're talking about this and they're like cowboys, keeps saying this is not a competition. This certainly looks

like a competition. And as I was watching, I was thinking to myself, Okay, so basically what they want me to believe is that the center, the starting center, who was only in his second year and didn't even start all of last year, is so good that they're like, we got to take all these stamps and give them to the backup because we got to get him ready. Rather than making sure the starter is ready. It doesn't seem to make sense to me. You guys make sense

for me. I actually can't. Well, I'll try. I don't think it's a competition, and Connor's showing you that himself. I mean, four bad snaps in maybe twenty preseason opportunity. I mean that's that ain't good. But you don't think that they should be giving those snaps. I would think start a quarterback hasn't played yet. Like, I don't care what Bodis does with Karret Gilbert. I care. I care less about well, I shouldn't say that I will make it. I care about the snap just as much as I

care about what happens after the snap. I'm going to lose my Jalen Smith bet to you in already, so I want to lose the behandah bet so very well. All right, let's make a rubber bet. Let's make a rubber match bet right now. If Dak plays against Houston, beatas will be the center. That's well, it's also coming off a game whereas you just say Connor head too. But here's the thing, and here's what makes it make even less sense. It's not a competition that they're like

Connor might be better than Tyler. It is a holy crap. Connors never played center in a game. We gotta get him out there exactly, which I mean it takes you all we were we've been talking about huh's end you don't I mean the Giants technically have his rights he retired. Oh yeah, I think that's a coincidence. You should think again, seriously, we've I mean, that's that's next level stuff. But I think from what I was told that there's a reason

why that happened. So maybe they should have signed him. Yeah, I mean they could have done. I this is you know, in a lot of instances, we don't know as much as they do. But it goes back to the Zach Martin fantasy football tackle thing. It still misses you off. It always will. Don't to quote my father, don't pee down my leg and tell me it's raining, like I'm not stupid. Um. And it's the same thing. Like all spring, we're like, there's not really another center on this team.

Kind of weird. Huh No, that's not a big deal. They get to training camp, they're like, oh, I want to say the S words so bad, but I'm not going to. Oh crap, nobody else here really does this, and and now we're just trying to piece it together as we go, and not even with the guy that played center in college when there are two on the

team that did that well. But McGovern did this for a year and Farniac's done it in spot rolls and they were like, no, Connor, Connor Williams is not a is a backup center some a player that I don't know. I wouldn't say fairly easy, but that someone that you think you might be able to get once the rosters are cut. I oh that I don't know the answer to. Here. Here's another part of it too, that everyone keeps saying, well, if he can be your backup center, it saves your

roster spot and all that game day roster spot. Well, unless they've changed it back, I thought the rules were now you have to have eight guys active anyways on the line, you have to have eight linemen. So having this guy that ain't gonna do a lot, I think that, like, you're both right, I think now looking at it, I mean, I thought Tyler bottish Um helped himself by not doing anything.

I think Connor just but I do think you cannot convince me that if Connor Williams would have gone out there, grated out well, no issues with snaps and all that. You can't tell me that they're not thinking, you know what, he may be our center and maybe McGovern needs to play left guard. I still think that they're trying to figure it all out because I think I don't care who's taking the snaps at quarterback. Be honest. Needs work. Yeah, so that's it. That's don't get me wrong, work. Don't

get me wrong. It is weird. It's very weird. But again, going back to my mediocre career as a student, it reminds me of like the night before the project is due, and I'm like, man, I could have been so much this could have been so much better if i'd started two weeks ago instead of tonight. I have absolute faith that Connor Williams could become a solid center in time. Why did they wait until July twenty fifth? Like, why why wasn't he doing this all through the spring? Why

didn't Why would? I mean, I don't understand. It's gonna piss you off. He comes back next year on another team and he's or starting center. I can say it, but it certainly will be curious, like you definitely will look at it and say what happened here? Like like miss it? Like does anyone like seeing Beasley on the top one hundred lists, Like even though that's on it? Yeah, I was on it. I mean nineties something. He had

a really good year last year. Don't better than tyrants math and that kind of No, No, I mean the orders. But um, I don't even know what I was saying about about Connor Williams. I don't, I don't know. I lost my train of thought. You said something. What were you saying about? I just don't understand why they waited until training camp to start this. Like I didn't see

Connor do this. He did do he did do quarterback school during OTAs, which is twenty minutes with the quarterbacks, but like he never played center in a team setting in the spring, and that was eight practices, which how many did they have out there? Thirteen? So I asked you do the math? After the game, I did ask them, you know, what is what's going on? Kenny? You're like, this is this? Maybe you just compete for a starting job because like, I'll do whatever they ask me to do.

But from what I've been told, this is just for emergencies, so it's gonna be a hell of an emergency. Well again that maybe that's a good sign that they feel great about where Tyler beotist is that he doesn't need those reps. Like, maybe that's what it is. Who knows, um, I don't, I can't. I'm not in the meeting rooms. But but it just seems a little weird to me that a guy that's in his second year doesn't need

more snaps in the preseason to get himself ready. I think it's maybe it's a case of priorities, right, Like Tyler does need work, but Tyler's played center for a long time, won the Rimington Trophy in college. What your expectation is that he's going to be the start and hopefully play sixteen games. I would think that's the priority.

The backup becomes the second priority. I if you feel seventy five percent sure about your starter and twenty percent sure about your backup at a job, the only other job in football where you hold the football every snap, I see the logic. I'm not it's weird. I'm not saying it's not weird, but I'm trying to but piece that together. Like, but Connor needs the work way more than Tyler, even though Tyler also needs work. But they could have done both, because what Connor needs is he

needs to snap the football back to someone. It doesn't really matter who he's playing again the fourth quarter, third quarter. But you also don't want to put your starting left guard out there in the fourth quarter of a game against scrubs that are trying to make part of the whole thing. When you're starting left guard is also your backup center. He's gonna have to because he's got to get those reps because you want the first team guy

to get the first team reps. Are we give him McGovern a pass that he's a third round pick and he really hasn't done anything and he's not factoring in as a starter, and he's he's and they're they're thinking, so this one, you don't think he's factoring as a star. Well, I mean, he isn't. He isn't starting. You know, Brandon Knight gets some work in there too at guard, and I mean they're they're trying to figure figure this whole

thing out. I mean, I just I don't know. I mean, I thought with a second round grade and the third by they drafted him in the third round. I thought at some point he would be a guy that would just kind of be starting. I will give him the credit of pointing out that he did come in and play the last six weeks of last season and was pretty good, pretty good, wasn't awful, like so he's done

more than nothing. And maybe maybe that's what they're trying to do, Like deep down, maybe they're like, you know, let's try him at center, Connor Williams at center, and McGovern will be there. So they're trying to get their better their five best guys. But I don't think I will say, I think you can do it the way that they build the McGovern pick when it happened as this blinking red light that nobody could ignore. And it hasn't lived up to that level of the hype, that's

for sure. Yeah, I think they what what they're probably or at least what the signs look like to me, is maybe they think McGovern is a better guard than Tyler Beyottish is a center. The problem is they can't get Connor to be a better center, which blows up

the whole thing. Maybe they should have started working him at center before three weeks ago, and I asked you guys this, and during the break, I wonder if I mean, I wonder how he played because it's really easy to see bats snap, bats snap, and I go, well, he was awful, because that is very problematic. But part of the he is he is he picking up the blitz?

Is he understanding things? Is he recognizing, you know, the the alignments and all that stuff, and is he does he do, you know, snap it into a nice NFL game pass? Maybe help us out with that, right, not trying to grade TV copy. If you catch my drift? Well he said, he said, I said, so what happened on the second one? The one that you know went to the ground first, and he was like, uh, it hit my cheek. They basically snapped it into his ass.

I mean that's basically what happened. And that's the play that I thought Garrett Gilbert did it. I mean he jumped on it and said all right, once touched me, he rolls and gets up and throws. If he would have made that play, I mean, if he would have thing like it's got to be to make that adjustment for like any of the offensive line spots are hard.

But then I mean getting the snap off and having it be accurate and going where it's supposed to go in that as you do it, some three hundred and twenty pound mofo is gonna crash right into your face. I mean that sounds really difficult, you know. I'll say this about McCarthy. I like the way he calls or they call games and whether it be kelling, but I

like the way he manages these preseason games. He's not trying to see the punt team go out and see if the punter can get the ball to the ten on fourth and nine and punt it like you normally would like. He's we're going for it fourth and twelve. We're going for it. We're gonna try. I mean, I'd rather see this than just manage the game. You pick up fourth and twelve. We need to pour and and I think that goes to a guy that's that's coached for twelve years. He can turn it on, turn it off.

He doesn't have to practice. This is how you do things, that's what the chart says to do and all that stuff. Now we're just gonna play. I want my guys to go out there and try to convert. I always say I think coaches make way too many decisions based on like how defensible it'll be later, you know, like am I going to get killed for doing this? Or should I just do the smart football thing that people have

done for decades. I worry about that less with McCarthy, and that's not always going to work, and that's fine, but I appreciate that he doesn't seem that worried about it. There was a play that I liked that it probably would be overlooked, I think by many, but I'm always one of my pet peeves is this when the offensive coordinator just plays at play to play and doesn't think about,

you know, two or three plays ahead. And when they scored the touchdown, it was third and six from like the nine, and they ran to draw up the middle to Knox, I think Brennan Knox, and he got a first down all the way to the one. But you're not expecting a first down. You're expecting three yards, four yards whatever. But it could open up what, you know, what they do on fourth down. I really like that call.

That showed me Kellen was thinking two plays ahead now and if you get the first even better, And they did, and they order all that stuff but that's that's what I want to see out of your offensive coordinators go down there and say, all right, what are we doing here? It's just four down and it clearly was four down territory for them, so they knew that. So, um, that was nice to see a touchdown, you know, I mean for once this season, we've spent most of the show

talking about the offense. Real quick, I want to give each you guys an opportunity to give me one defensive player from the game that stood out to you. I'll start first, Oh, Dave's got it? Israel mukuamu or you're gonna you're gonna I'll give you your bril. It's not who you were gonna take. He's played great. Yes, yeah, this is great. Go ahead, though, I want to hear what Israel? I just I'm really impressed by him. I was talking about this on Twitter, you know. I mean,

he played cornerback in college. It's the joke we always reference. He's like, you're gonna get the best corner in the draft. Oops, no you're not. That's not your position. Um, And he played some safety in college, but like it's not his primary position. He makes the move, he is physical, you know, he made a great tackle um of the you know, running back in the flat to stop him on a

third down. Um. He seems like he's got great instincts, Like he's in position he's you know, at at practice in Oxnard, like he's he's jumping in front of passes, he's reading routes. I'm sure it's not perfect, obviously, but he flashes and he's a willing tackler. Like I said, it seems like he knows where he's supposed to be. He's not quite on that Micah Parsons level, obviously, because he's not a top ten pick, but he seems like

he's he's where the ball is and that's a good thing. Um. And it's just it's fascinating to me because it's it's gonna be tricky to find a place for him to be blunt about it, because you got you know, I would assume Kasey and Hooker are both gonna make the team. Dono's gonna make the team, um um. And then well and then well you've got jarn Curse and darry and Thompson who I like. I Darien didn't play well at safety,

but that's not the point. It's the eternal battle between the special team's coach who wants and Darien Thompson is one of the two or three best special teamers on this team. Jayron Curse has a special team's reputation as well. So now it's you know, the front office probably favors the draft pick and the coaching staff probably favors these veterans who were versatile, and that's an interesting that's an

interesting conversation. But Israel mcquamu is doing everything he can to make them want to side with him, in my opinion, Yeah, I think Steve and Jones he didn't he wasn't going to pronounce his name, but he did say it to me the other day on an interview that he that he really liked what what Israel is doing out there and just loves the matchup. Um that he can do covering tight ends. Um My, I have a couple. I mean, I think Dorin's armstrong is I mean, he is a phenomenal.

He's been outstanding and we all can see that. Um. And then I lost my other guy. I think I gotta stole this point from Dave at one point during a show, But we did talk about once the pads come on, and once we start playing games, you're going to see how physical Keyan O'Neill is. We're not seeing it as much early in practice, but once you really start getting the type of play that he's used to, he's going to start to show out more. And I

think that he's doing that. I think not only did he did he force a fumble, he had a really nice stop on third down short of the game, short of the line of scrimmage. You know, he did it at the end of camp two with a pick like that. I think he's finding his role in the nickel and and I still think it would be a vanilla defense of what dan Quinn's gonna really how they're going to utilize him because he's never played him as linebacker before,

so it'll be interesting to see. I think though, he's starting to kind of come on here, and so that's a good thing. I'll throw this out there too, because we mentioned Jabril Cox, which he looks really good obviously, Like you know, he's getting the opportunity in games, he's making the most of it. He's led the team in tackles both preseason games. I care a lot less about

the plays that he makes on defense. He made it nice tackle on a kickoff return that it might not have saved a touchdown, but I think the guy got to the thirty five. He was going across midfield for sure, and Cox just knifed into his lane and brought him down. And that's that's what I care about, because he could be the biggest steal in the entire draft. He's still not. He's not getting on the field on defense unless something terrible happens. I mean, there's just too many bodies in

front of him. And when you guys talk about earlier, you're talking about those big bodies that are now out injured. Guy like him becoming very very more because he's a big body that can special teams for him. And like before I started doing this job, that is that's that's what you need to look for. Like, if I'm talking to somebody who's trying to analyze these preseason games, a guy like Jabril Cox showing that he can make plays

like that on special teams is huge. Like, I mean, he's gonna make the team regardless, but you see him doing stuff like that, now you're like, Okay, this guy can get a jersey on game day. He can do this, that and the other. So that was really enaging and his answer about it when when he was asked about, you know, playing special teams, he was like, that's that's what I need to own that part of the game. That's all that is is. You know, this doesn't sound

like a rookie. He said, special teams is a one on one battle. There's one guy that's gonna block me. If I can beat him, i can go make the play. And it's like I'm not gonna not gonna be blocked and he's You're starting to see that and that's a great mentality, especially for a guy that was at North

Dakota State. He probably wasn't playing a lot of special teams there and when he went to LSU a daddy was playing a ton But he comes here and understands that role and embraces it and really kind of relat that's how he makes the team and that Dave said, that's how you get on the field for game day. It's super encouraging too, because we, I mean, okay, he's behind Micah Layton, Jalen and Kean O'Neil, Like where are

the defensive snaps coming from? And so you know, I think a lot of people and honestly, I was kind of discouraged myself first two weeks of practice, like this guy hasn't done anything. What's going on? But what do you do with your opportunity? He gets him in these games and he's I mean, he's putting good looking tape out there in my opinion, which is that's really fun for him for a guy that you know, there's not

a lot of opportunities in practice. That's a route. We will be back on Wednesday, and make sure you come out tonight if you're in town to a Cowboys Night here at Ford Center at the Star and if not, to make sure you check it out online. We'll have streaming on all of our different platforms. Still in for Nick Eatman, Dave helm and I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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