Cowboys Break: Hall Pass

latest edition of The Break. We're life and that s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star got my crew here with me, and actually, I'm feeling really good. I don't know how many of you guys have seen it, but I just saw news report that there was some really

great news coming out of Cincinnati. Tomar Hamlin's or the people that are treating DeMar Hamlin put out some information that that was released by the Buffalo Bills, by the Buffalo Bills saying that he is actually making remarkable progress, was able to actually open side last night, was able to respond to h you know, you know, requests or clinch the hands of family members that were there. H just you know, different things that that give them positive signs.

They said they think that it's neurological. He is neurologically intact, which is something I think everyone was kind of worried about because he was down for so long. But man, all that just makes me feel really good that this thing might be progressing in the right way, and U and we as an NFL community, we may have dodged a bullet of some of a serious injury to a player, and so I'm feeling really good about that. But today we're gonna talk a little bit about a couple of

different topics. We got to get you guys ready for Cowboys versus Commanders. It's coming up this weekend final game of the regular season. Before we get to that, though, topic that's near and dear to Nick's heart, the Hall of Fame. Last night we find out some finalists uh for the Hall of Fame, and the Cowboys have three

uh former players who are on that list. I'm gonna start first start because I just wanna I know Nick has some some some real love for one person in particular, but I want to give you guys, Oh yeah, we all do, we absolutely, we all do. We want to give you guys a chance to talk about the Cowboys guys who are who are on that list Darren Woodson, DeMarcus Ware and Chuck Howley and uh and and maybe they're they're the rational So to why you think that they should be on that list and maybe should be

in the Hall of Fame. Well, I'll start with uh, Darren Woodson since nobody else has a poster of him in their office. But you just got moved this morning, moved back over. Yeah, I mean had I had to wait for him to be a Hall of Fame finalists before that happened. Now I think that he uh, he could have He could have played in any era that that you played that you wanted to line him up, and he would have been a really really great player. U he was. He could be linebacker, he could be

a corner, he could be you know, he was a safety. Yeah, he's a nickel safety that could have covered the slot. It's just rare. I mean to be a guy that that big, that fast, and that's smart. Uh, he could do everything and so you know, and then you throw that that that's why he should be a Hall of Famer. Why we're excited about it is because all of those things on the field. He's a much better person. Yea, And everyone that's been in contact with him one time

wouldn't know that. And so I'm so happy for him. I don't know if he'll get in this time, but it gets you a little closer to the door. Yeah. The thing that um and I actually have seen all three of these guys play as a kid. I got to see Chuck Hawley play and still the only MVP and a Super Bowl from a losing team, if you and yeah, and but here's a guy that played with Leroy Jordan. Uh, you know they're both in the Ring

of Honor. You talk about a guy a model of consistency throughout his career, played in a fourteen game schedule, and then if you look at his numbers, it's fourteen games every year. I mean throughout his whole career. He suffered a knee injury. Yeah, he suffered, Yeah, suffered a knee injury very early in his career, and then from

that point on just played throughout. And you talk about when you watched him play, Uh, there was that we We've always marveled at the linebackers and the ones that we know here, like the guys like the Sean Lees and people like that that have that ability to see the play develop and get to the play and finish

the play. You never saw Chuck Halley missing tackles. And that's the thing about I always remember he played on some really good defenses, uh, you know, with the Cowboys in the early seventies and stuff like that, and you know, and through some championship games and stuff too, through football history against the Packers and things like that. Very very deserving of I would be I'll be interested to see

if if the Seniors Committee can get him through. Rick Goslin, who lives here cover the team the Cowboys forever, is a guy that has taken upon himself to champion these Dallas Cowboys that seemed to be forgotten before nineteen eighty nine. You know, the guys, the Bob Hayes, the Rayfield Rights, guys like that. He's taken it upon himself to try and get these players pushed over the goal line. And

so hopefully he can get that done. But man, you talk about a guy with Chuck Hallie though around the ball, intercepts, fumbles, you name it. He was able to do that. You know what's funny to me is that where in Woodson they're called like modern day finalists, but it's still not my modern day like when I got into the NFL. That was like way past when I initially started following

the NFL and all that. But I've gotten to know them and the way they played because of some of the documentaries that we've done here with the Cowboys, and it's amazing like that type of play watching them play. I mean I was here when I guess towards the end when the Marcus kind of he retired and all that, but I still didn't know much of his history. But watching them play back then, it's sorry, it's so fun,

like it's such a different type of game. Even Woodson the play the way that he played that we don't really get to see those type of players anymore nowadays, so going back, and that sucks that I kind of missed that area era in time period where football was very different than what it is now. I mean, more aggressive and all that and more like a hardcore, exhausting and it's just a different game. But I would imagine

much more exciting for the watchers and the viewers. So anyways, just going by you, it's it's impressive and Woodson, like Nicksa. You talk to him and he's such such an amazing guy, and not just what he did as a player himself, but what he was able to do for other people as well and other teammates. It's just impressive and I'm very happy for him, and then as a group too. Yeah. The thing about it is the last draft I was

involved with with the Cowboys was the where one. And you don't know, well, we all know, I mean from stories and stuff, the documentaries and things that you guys have done through the years, what a you know that was that was an ordeal to get that done. I mean that on Merriman was that Jean Merriman and Bill Parcels and we all know Bill Parcels. He's a very headstrong guy, and you know, and he really took it personal.

And Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, you know, the scouts that pushed that one through, you know, to get where here. He was everything that everybody ever talked about in that room about him, you know, and here he went to a very small school man. He's like a small school guys, you don't know, the Buffalo Bills forever made a history of taking small school guys and going to the Super Bowl, you know, on Andre Reid's and guys like that, and so you know when you brought, when you brought where

are in you knew? And so the thing and the thing about Woodson, I was in the league for thirteen years as a scout, and I was with very fortunate to be with some other Hall of famers, the Reggie Whites, you know, Brett Farrevs. Guys like that, great players. It's the best football player I've ever been with, best football player I've ever been on a team with. You know, of all these great Hall of Fame players, and I never could understand why. I never couldn't understand why is

this guy not a Hall of Famer? Because Nick described him perfectly. There's nothing this guy could do. He would get a he would get a turnover, and then they would score, and then he would be on the kickoff team. He never came off the field never, it didn't matter. I mean, he's covering kicks, he's covering, he's doing everything. He's playing line back, he's playing safety's covering your slot. I mean, when you just sat down and watched him play,

there was nothing this guy couldn't do. And I just remember him coming at Arizona State too. Dave Campo tells great stories about him and how Dave you know, and convinced Jimmy and all that. But man, what a what a what a football player? Best I've ever been around. And the interesting part about about what he is not only just could he do everything on the football field off the football field. Like he left the football he

left football he went into broadcasting. Still to this day, I tell him all the time that's his gift, like he is. He was so good on ESPN and the outside. He didn't want to do that, Yeah, and went into commercial real estate and now killing that. Like it's just like anything he touches, it just seems like he has a knack for figuring it out and doing it exceptionally well.

And the thing about it is is his story when he got a chance that we got a chance to do a documentary Rob Phillips, sam Or was a part of why Well, you can go check it out on our on our website. Path to Safety is what it was called, I believe um. And the thing is, when he was in college at Arizona State, he missed his first year. He was labeled and this is what they labeled him back then was a PROP forty eight, which

basically said, you're not smart enough to play right now. Yeah, you're good enough as a football player that we want to keep you and work with you, but you can't be a part of the team right now. He said, it's the most embarrassing he's ever been in his life because he you know, they labeled the kids, yeah, you know, fair or unfair, and mostly unfair, and that motivated him and that drove him to the point where when he got on that football field and the classroom, he was

completely different. Now look at him, he owns his own business like a goosebumps just talking about him because he really is. He's an amazing person and player. You talk about that Prop forty eighth stuff. Those kids were that stigma. And I never saw one that didn't graduate. Every single Prop forty eight that I was ever with graduated. It was never an academic problem, never. So I mean that just shows you that. And fair or unfair it was

at the time, you know it is. But those kids they realized they had to carry that, and they worked so hard and they wanted to make sure that they grabbed me and a lot of them carry that and say it was a prop forty eight and you kind of felt like, Okay, you felt bad for him, You really really did, because there's such good football players. Maybe they struggle a little bit, Maybe you were dealing with dyslexia or something like that. You couldn't maybe they weren't

being taught. Well, no, that's a fact. No, no, it happens. A lot of things happened along the way. But if you if you, if you had a kid and you said, hey, I want you to be like I told Bennet Bross and Bennett knows Darren once I said, be like him, Bennett, be like that guy. That's the guy you need to try. Don't don't look at anybody else. Look at that guy

over there. That's who you want to be like, right, the most loyal person, Oh, no question, because he had a friend, as documented you know that we did in the documentary. He had a friend that was going down the wrong path and did did go down the wrong path. And but he never let Darren come with because he knew you're gonna make it. Yeah, don't come to this party. No, no, no no, no, you can't come here because you're not you got a football career, and this guy went to

prison for twenty years, twenty five years. Never saw him play in the college or pros. But Darren called him every singles Tuesday, called him, took his even took his own son up to visit him, never turned his back on his friend. We interviewed him for the story to a get real emotional, but I mean that's just you know, even when you were telling him, hey, hey hey, you don't need to mess with this guy. You're in the NFL,

he's like his family. Yeah. Well, that's the thing I've learned to really appreciate sports is because a lot of the time, so this is not just Darren Woodson. This happens to so many players in the league. The environment that they grow up in where it's just there's not many options and there's really no financial stability there. It's a bad environment. And we know, like you become, you

tend to become what you surround yourself with. And sometimes where you're nobody else has done it in your family, it's hard to get through that, like get past that and just rely on something that it's let's say sports. So many of these guys kind of get out of that and become a different person because of sports and their ability, So that's like a different side of things.

Just it's impressive, even the people that don't get to make it into a Hall of Fame finalist, but just in general, and we know, we've worked with other people that have come from a different background and we're in sports and are now people that really work for like trying to help others and help the community in different

ways and try to impact younger people. So it's just it's always amazing to me to see kind of the background of some of these people and players and see how hard it was and look how were and how they've become nowadays. Yeah, my hope is that all three of these men getting because I think they're all three deserving And it's really especially I'm excited for Woody as a person just because I know him as a person. I know him to be a good person, so I

want to see a great thing happened for him. But even for DeMarcus, it's interesting and it's it's exciting for me because now we're getting that era of players like I literally was here. I remember the day I first saw him walk in the building as a wiry kid that was kind of skinny, like he's gonna be on the defensive line, and then watched his career every single play and and all of the ups, the downs, the

scary times, we had, the situation with the neck. Yeah, they're all these moments, and so it's kind of cool to now see that all come full circle and him get this opportunity to possibly be in the Hall of Fame. That's what I was just gonna say, full circle. Going back to Woody, Arizona is where he's from. He's from, you know, that's where he grew up. And I believe that's where the super Bowl is, right where the announcement is.

So he's going back to Arizona, you know, like here, this is where it all started, and you get announced the obviously the Hall of Fames in Canton, Ohio, but the announcement, yeah, you know. And again I don't think it's going to happen for him this year. I don't. I don't think to get him there. And then you know, Zach Thomas, another former cowboy kind of kind of he'd

been in like four years. I would say, to believe this, he's gotten to this round for I mean, Tory Holt, I mean, these guys, it just takes a little bit of time to kind of get here, but you know, once you get in the door here, then you kind of stay in the bill happen. The best thing for I mean, for a lot of guys form like where

and Derek just hit the nail on the head. There was a time where voters hadn't seen a lot of these guys playing, and now you're sitting there and that's why you're glad for the Senior Committee where you have guys like Rick Goslin and them on that are able to say, well, listen, Claude Humphrey for the Atlanta Falcons used to rush the passer just as well as Deacon Jones did with the Los Angeles Rams, you know, I mean, they're you're now starting to see voters like, oh, I

remember this guy, I remember this guy, and now it's you know, it used to be like well, I'll just take your word for it, you know, and then you don't get a vote when it's like you're not sure, you know. And it is a stout list, I mean, it really really is. A style is going to be a tough thing to make it this year because there are a number of guys. I look at this list and I'm like, man, they need to be in the

Hall of Fame. Well Wood. He also played in an era too, with Ed Reid and Troy Paulamalo and people like John Lynch. You know there were I mean, let me tell you what I mean, Leroy Butler, I was with both. I was gonna say, okay, Darren Woodson, Darren Woodson's a better player than Leroy Butler if you told me right now, and trust me, you know my history with the Green Bay Packers, Darren Woodson is a better player than Leroy Butler and all facets of the game.

And Roy Butler is a good player, he was a corner, got converted and all that, but you look at the body of work. Darren Woodson was a far better player, and Leroy Butler got in and I you know, to this day, I've said it before in radio. I mean, people, who do you? I love Leroy Butler, but Darren Woodson is a better football player and deserves to be in the Hall of thing. Tell one more story about him,

just kind of shows a character that he has. Back in two thousand and two thousand and one, I mean, you know, the team wasn't playing well obviously, and there was one guy that was the star obviously, Yeah Smith, I mean he was. He was still the guy. By the way, Well, I think I know which one you talk well, I mean, and and this team was you know, we're awful. No, no, we're awful. You know, as Brian says, you love to throw this back into space. No, absolutely know.

He's not wrong. The thing about it is, though, too, I felt terrible because I knew how great of a player Darren Woodson was to have to put up every week with this crap. In the locker room all the media was going on, There'd be four or five players that would sit there and they would just love to play dominoes. They would play dominoes. And Emmett was part of it, im Robert Thomas, there's others I can't think. Yeah,

but Darren called him out, called out. Emmett said, you know what, we need to stop playing damn dominoes and and get in the playbook, get in there, you know. And I'm just you know, em Emmett took offense to that, and I mean it got into the media as a story and Emma tried to, you know, kind of brush it off or whatever. But you know, Darren, Darren was like, hey, we got enough of this guy. I don't care who you are, Like, we got to get better. And that's

true leadership. Yeah, when you're willing, when you're willing to say what needs to be said to whomever it needs to be said to, Right, that's really well. I'll tell you the game. Remember the Tarrell Owens Star game where he got George t took a run at him. Darren Woodson got kicked out of that game too, okay for something that happened earlier in the game. I remember going down from the press box and going into the locker room to go tell wood he had you know, I

appreciate everything you've done, just to basically apologize again. So I'm down there with Woody. He I'm sitting there watching the game, sitting in the locker stall. He goes and showers, tea comes in and Tigue's like like oh, and like wood he goes, what the hell did you do? He goes, I took a run at Owen's I got kicked out too, And he goes, It's about damn time somebody got mad around here. You know, it's about time you know. I mean, that's just the type of guy that Darren Woodson was.

The great stories about him with breaking his arm in Baltimore. It just tape it up and let's you know, Britt Brown walking him in full uniform over They don't have an X ray machine. That didn't stadium in Baltimore. That's come a long way since then, I guess. But but now you're in a situation where he's like, just tape it, we're gonna play. He's absolutely the example of that guy

that on the field he is one guy. Off the field, he's exactletely different guy, right because on the field he was intense, he was in super intense and could play the game and played it really aggressively. He's the only player still I wrote this in the story, he's the only player that has played for five coaches in the in Cowboy's history. Really, yeah, he's the only one that's played for five. And he said that it was one year with Parcels, and he said he wished there was

a lot more with Parcels. I could see that too, Yeah, I could see that because that that's the kind of coach you would think a personality like Darren's would really really love right. Well, one one day at training camp and oh three first year we were down in San Antonio, parcels. This is probably scripted. He took the he didn't like

what was going on in practice. He took the entire coaching staff and they just walked on and walked off, and the practice was still going on right thirty minutes or so, and it was almost like what happens and Darren the practice ran in the practice and then huddled him up at the end and said, we're not talking to the media. We don't know what's going on where

everybody just asking the locker room and all that. But you know, and I think I think Bill did that on purpose to kind of see when Bill got here, he had a conversation with Woody and basically told him like, if you just if you go scorch earth on us, that's fine. Yeah, you know, we're you know, we deserved this, you know. So he he knew that that's that's a that's a great great man, great player. So and so and so is all three of the day press conference?

Are they really all yeah? So we'll be yeah, well we'll have that aired on our website, mobile app, everything. One more thing about this. Chuck Calley, Yeah, you know, you know he had twenty five interceptions in his career really as a linebacker. Yeah, six of them one year. Wow. He um, that's twenty five. That's a career for But but I'm gonna I'm gonna say this about the process. Chuck halle Is could go into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's not gonna know that. Yeah he's still alive. Yeah,

but he's was he got dementia. I mean it's bad. I mean he doesn't and and it's the story was told Mickey, Mickey Spagnola his talk to the Sun. His son might be here for the press conference today and they told him he's get dad. He made it to the Hall of Fame. He was like, that's that's nice. He you know, that's what he hasn't made a play in forty something fifty the years. Yeah, the process has got to change. Let these guys experience that the joy of being in the Hall of Fame and get this

thing spread up a little bit if possible. I don't know how. I know it's easier said than done. But the sad part is is that he's a Hall of Famer. He's going to be a Hall of Famer and he's never really going to get the experiences. How do you fix that? And I don't want to get I know

we got we got only so much time. But the question becomes like do you make it to where you just put in a lot of guys because that's the issue is that you only have so many people you want to have gold in a particular year and that's what makes it so special. Yes, how do you do stuff? You know, the guy shouldn't be in like Bob Grucy

and I need to be in the different room. Yeah, you know, you want to be in not the Hall of Good Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine, but I need I need to be in a different room than these guys. And he's not wrong. I mean like he's on a different level and they have actually done that. I mean it's kind of like, you know, it's like when you graduate, everyone's graduating and then these people that have like the gold tassels didn't have those. But that's kind of stuck.

I had the hat right. Yeah, it was like first ballot, but that's what they do for you know, well you're not a first ballot. That's why d Work got screwed last year. They didn't want to make him my first ballot. You know. One of the one of the my favorite pictures I have in my phone. We were at the Hall of Fame years ago and we were touring with the team and Marcus asked me to take a picture of him in front of Deacon jones bust and still got it on my on my on my phone, took

a picture of him there. And now there's a chance that he will be have his bust right in there with those guys, which he just pretty Jones's bust because they do it by years. Ye. So yeah, I have to travel down. His bust will have to travel down. It'll be a little farther away. He'll have to make a little trip down there to get it. I'm still cool. That's my favorite part of it, of the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

that's the best part. Walking through, yes and kind of looking and then they were all like a critic, You're like looked like him, like, oh that definitely looks like and read or you know, or something body like They're like, they did a good one here. But for me, it is like going back through my childhood because I go back to those years, and like guys that were getting in in the nineties. That means they were playing when I was a kid. You know, you look at those

guys very very differently. So like like Jerry Jones a Hall of Fame party, you see all these guys walking around these yellow jackets, and you're running into guys that you watched playing when you were a kid. It's it's pretty cool that it was a pretty awesome. Let me just like, you got someone like me that's wucking around. I'm like, well, that guy most to be important. Okay, I don't know him, but he's got a yellow he

got helmet throwing up in the bathroom. And I don't say that there was There was about four hundred Hall of famers there with their gold jackets, which means there was four hundred and one gold jackets. But uh, that's funny. Yeah, you're right about that jacket. It was his own gold jacket. All Right, we're gonna take our first break week. We're gonna come back into the break. In the break, we'll jump into this Washington Deep vice versus the Cowboys offense

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Mortgage Studios at the Star. This one more thing about woods our helmet whichever one present you buy blockchain dot com. I'm hopeful that at some point here, especially if if he if he gets in love, we can We'll see if maybe we can pull Woodie over here and get him on the show one day and yeah, talk to him about some stuff. Well, we'll see if we can arrange it. He's always a great interview he is, and you can ask him questions about the Cowboys. You know.

I think Nick has his number twenty eight. Oh no, if you If you don't, I'll give it to you. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't say this, but but I will. I'll say it. Yeah. No, I'm not. I'm not gonna say that that we are friends because we're not. Like I don't he probably No, No, No, you're friends. I don't know. I don't want to. I don't know you're friend texted him last night. Yeah, I just said congratulations, so you know, well deserved. Typical Darren. He wrote back

and said, thanks, appreciate it. How you've been You've been all right? I mean, like, how many text us do you think he's getting at the time, you know, And that's just that's just him. You know, we didn't. He's one of those guys that has that rare ability that when you're talking to him, you feel like you're important

to him, you know what I mean. There's not everybody in the world that's like that, but he's one of those rare people that when you whenever you're talking to him, you feel like he's connected with you at that moment. It's never like yeah, yeah, I'm moving on to something else, you know. And that's just like that. I'm gonna take that back. We are friends, your friends. We're friends your friends,

your friends. Yeah, I mean I just because you don't want to say that, like, oh, I'm just say as a friend because to me, like one of the proudest moments I ever had. When he was working at ESPN, he likes to bounce ideas off yeah, and he would say, hey, listen, this is what I'm seeing about this football team. And here's a guy that's potentially going to go in the Hall of Fame and he's asking me questions about his team. And I'm thinking, like, man, you're Darren Woodson, Well do

you don't need my opinion? He and but it's what made him great on the air. Absolutely, He's like he's like he'd called me up and he'd say, hey, Brian, I'm seeing this about this football team. What do you seeing? And we would we would have like an hour conversation. He goes, okay, man, I gotta go to set and I and I was like, all right, man. And then like two days later, hey, well we were thinking about talking about this and we he and I would just shoot the bull about this team. And I was I

was honored. I was honored that this guy even wanted my football opinion something. He's he's done that before with me and never mind me like the one time though even even more than that, I did a radio show. He's like, you do an interview? Can you come on you know, NFL radio on Saturday? You know what? Serious? You know? I don't see. I was like, whatever it is,

it's a lot, it's gonna be. It's gonna be Chris and and Dan I'm like, I'm like whatever, d Yeah, I remember, like I don't know, okay, cool and I'm Chris Nick even him. And then and then Dan has a question. It was like Dan Nick Dan Reeves, yeah, head coat, Like I was like what. He was like, what are you see? And I was just like this is I don't feel right about this, like Hall of Fame coach or you should be your super Bowl coach. I was just like Dan Reeves, well, Dann, what I see.

I didn't feel good about that at all. His son's one of the best though, too, Jod we talk about your friend that we got time for some Joe d Star, No, we don't. We gotta get back in. He was awesome. We get that another time, you know, the king of the sayings, oh god, yeah, the best. Yeah, Joe as the Ragman, Joe as the Ragman. It's his own name. He just uses it as his own name. But but yeah, we're on the field and La and I don't. I don't typically go on the field, but he was over there.

I was just like, well, I'm just walking on the field here. I hope I don't get hit by a punt. You know, it's like pretty not the sideline, this is literally on the field. Oh yeah, this is on the field. He's got his guys. I just went over there and he was warming up the punter time because I was with you. Yeah, I think I grabbed Chris to go with me. Look more official, like he was go out filming something. Oh I don't want to go those. I just come on, you go with me? Yeah, yeah, because

he's got the mast. Yeah, like, come on, that's right. I forgot you. Just gotta know, Nick, you just walk on like you're supposed to be on there. That's my that's got on a sport coat and you look like you're supposed to be there, and nobody will stop you getting an officials pass. Just go, it works, Bryan, just hey, how are you doing good? Good to see Yeah, A seven are supposed to be here. Let's go. Come on, let's keep keep moving. All right, let's pip this say

not talked about the way that game. Let's talk about let's talk about the Washington defense. First of all, one thing I need to note, I went and looked at the injury report yesterday. They're banged up. I'm not sure Washington will want to play their guys this week. Yeah, there would you look, I know, and I want to see what it looks like today. But when you look at the list of guys that did not play, did not practice yesterday, and look at it from standpoint of

guys that are starters for them. You've got Jonathan Allen, You've got Montes Swett, You've got Jamon Jamon Davis, You've got Cornelius Lucas, You've got Andrew Norwell, You've got Brian Robinson. It's a long list of guys that did not practice. We'll see what happens today, right, but as of yesterday a lot of their guys were sitting out of practice with injuries. Yeah, their defense is the one I think

that's kind of nicked up right now. Jonathan Allen and then Kareem Curl and then Benjamin Saint Juice are the ones you kind of need to worry about in this game. It's still you watched them play against the Browns last week, and they got after the Browns. They made these guys. I mean it is a good front. I mean it's a good front seven. You mentioned jam And Davis, you know, with him, David Mayo, those guys. They get after it, they really really do. Then they got Chase Young back,

that's the thing. And Chase Young is back rushing the passers. So yeah, so well you know we'll see and but you know, sweat Payne Alan would be a huge loss for them in my opinion because he he really controls the middle of that defense, and especially if you're kind of having to deal with moving guys around, uh you know, if you get you know, if if Tyler Smith has

to play inside at Tyler Smith's a strong guy. But these two defensive tackles are really strong, and they're act The thing when you watch the Commanders play, they they're up the field. I mean they're and and one, and teams were hit them on plays where it's like the quick hitters like that, you know, where all of a sudden you see him upfield and then it's like when

you when you break that first group. Now they have a big play, but you gotta get it past that first group of guys because they're gonna be really disruptive in this game. They're gonna go for tackles for loss. You know, defenses, that's what they do. But these guys, I mean, they're so big, and they and the way that they get up the field and get around blocks and now they're they're penetrating and they don't let you

start running the ball. But the teams that have had success, like I say that the Browns did a good job of the perimeter runs. They were able to kind of control the edges, whether that was against Sweat or against Chase Young, they were able to kind of secure that edge and get the ball to the outside there to where they were able. It wasn't so easy running inside.

Everything to the outside was a lot better shape for and I think the Cowboys in this game, I don't think you know, the game plan against the Titans appeared to be more inside runs this scene needs. And maybe with Tony Pollard it will be different too. It'd be more of the perimeter runs. I think that's how you find a way. They're a good tackling defense. I think Kendall Fuller at at corner is a good player. Saint Juice is hurting them, Like I said, the other corner.

They're using this Danny Johnson number thirty six. He's a guy who's been with him for a few years. But it's not the same Saint used as a guy that can cover. I mean when you talk about him and Fuller, you can match up and they could kind of take guys and and handle it. It doesn't matter. It's not like, oh, you have to travel you you know, you have to stay. Both these guys, I mean either side, whatever, whatever side

you put Lamb on, they can cover. Now that's but with Danny Johnson in there, that's the guy I would tack. I wouldn't tack Kendall Fuller on the other side. I would attack Danny Johnson if he was in there. If that was me, I still got the Holcomb the linebacker. No, they do not. Who's who's he with play? I only played last year. I don't. I haven't seen him. I think he would see if he's on the injured reserve, But I don't think that he is. I just remember

that was a guy that Cowboys really light. Yeah, I'm sorry, he's on IR week twelve. Yeah, I did not see him, Yeah Holcomb. Yeah. But with all these guys injured, like, what's really the need or necessity for them to play them at this point? I think there's I think that to me the way that I would look at it as a pride factor to finish out, they have a

chance to be eight eight and one, you know. And and that's remember Jason Garrett back in the day, like trying to get to you know, get one game above five hundred was so he played some games where they they were trying to get above five hundred because for so many years it was at stigmas like he he's a five hundred coach. So he played a game against I think it was the Commanders, So he played everybody in the game just to get above five hundred. They might be trying to they don't want to have a

losing record. Yeah, and lets also be clear, I mean, there's nothing to say that this head coach is safe, that these players are safe. So they're about to change ownership to get yet to get a win in a game like this in a city where they despise the Cowboys. Those that aren't Cowboys fans, we share a ton of Cowboys fans there that that matters. And you know, anytime you're talking about rivalry type games, getting a win, some times an a rivalry type game can make a whole

season feel a little bit better. Yeah, And going into an offseason, I would suspect that a lot of people in Washington the surrounding areas who are fans of the Commanders, it'll make them feel a little bit better for whatever the outcome of the season is, if they can get that win this weekend, well, if they keep Dallas from winning, potentially winning the Division two sot. But I do feel like though, and they're playing, they're playing a rookie quarterback.

They're trying to figure out something, you know, and maybe that's the momentum they need. Maybe the rookie quarterback goes out and play as well, and it's like, Okay, we don't need Carson Wentz, we don't need you know, we don't need Taylor Heineke. We'll go with this kid. We'll draft others, you know, we'll make this team. Said I hope I said this. I think this is a really I think this team should be in the playoffs. They're not. The Giants are in the playoffs. I think this team

is better than the Giants team. So I just do. I was thinking just now that if if I'm Washington, I don't know what they're they're gonna be picking eight seventeen eight team something like that. I would trade number one pick and maybe even next year's number one for the best quarterback that are like, if there was a

Russell Wilson situation. I know that that didn't work out well, but somebody like that, I would I would look into that because I think that's what they were missing quarterback, a veteran quarterback, and maybe maybe a team you trade to a team that doesn't really think that they want to trade their quarterback until you throw them a first round pick at them and you're like, well maybe or two first round picks. See, I get your and I agree with the premise of that. I don't know if

I would go that particular. I would rather say, let me give those get those first round picks and see if I can move up in the draft to where I could possibly draft that guy. Because for them, I would look at and say, I want a young quarterback because this year. What would scare me is what happened with Russell. What would scare me is what happened with

Matt Ryan. Like they those teams went out and said we just need a quarterback now, and they went and got these veteran guys that they were like, we think we can bring them in and it just didn't work. And by the way, that doesn't mean it doesn't work for everybody, just means I would be a little bit shy that day after watching those two players they might be depending on. And we do our platform here with the Draft Show and stuff like that, we'll be talking

about these guys a bunch. But maybe they're in a position where they can get a guy like Will Levis from Kentucky. Maybe, you know, I mean, it's gonna be young Stroud Levis. I mean, where where are the quarterbacks going to fall? And the one thing about it is you mentioned this. There's so many quarterbacks on the market too. I mean will the will the Raiders have a fire cell on cars. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You think

you'd fit there? He'd be good there. I think he probably needs one of those fresh start type of things. But does he give you is it going to be more of the same because he's added as to this point. It's the reason why the Raiders will probably let him go is because he's had a disappointing career to this point. Right, He's got him to the playoffs a couple of different times. You know, if you look at but yeah, I mean

to me, he's He's always in that group. Remember when people compare, whether you like it or not, that always put him in that group with Dak Prescott, you know that what quarterback is he eight nine, ten. You know, they always kind of lump Derek Carr into that into that mix. So they're going to be some quarterbacks potentially

on the market that you can go sign. But like I say, maybe they're in a position if they're picking sixteen or seventeen where all of a sudden, Will Levis comes down to them and they just draft a quarterback that's tough, sturdy. You know, I think ownership is going to have a lot to say what happens here, because this could be a completely different front office and ownership group and direction once they once the spring meetings and stuff start. Yeah, let's take our final break when we

come back. I want to talk a little bit real quick before we end this show about the cornerback position and how much now that we've seen Bland and we've seen right and they've started to look a little bit better, how much of a difference now is there between what was there before and what they have now going into the playoffs. We'll talk about that when we come back Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. The season is finally here. For months, we've been gearing up to win. Now it's

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with the Break today and it was well deserved. I think we should have done that. But real quick, I did want to talk on some Holley stories if you wanted to, like Chuck Alley stories. Yeah, I didn't have any. The only thing I know about I was ten years old when he finished, by the way, but I remember playing. You know, we can talk modern modern, actual date, modern date? How modern? Can you go a minute and a half.

I'm sorry, Derek, I mean it's fine. As a matter of fact, I'm just not gonna save this topic because we got like literally thirty five seconds left. Uh, when you walked on the tennis courts and Oxnard. My first year was it twenty fifteen? Okay, so the year before Dack and yeah got here. Yeah, because I went through the period where we were just going through quarterbacks and you know, killing Moore Castle Random Weedon loved him, great guy. Yeah, so modern error for you has a whole different feel

to it, much different, really modern, right. Yeah, Yeah, he's got a while before those guys get in the Hall of Fame. It's gonna be a minute. Um be dust all right, that's gonna be a rap. We will we will save this conversation on the cornerbacks until tomorrow. We'll talk about that tomorrow. We'll also get you guys ready to tell you what we thinks are gonna happen this weekend. Cowboys versus Commanders still in for Nick Keatman. Brian brought

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