Cowboys Break: Fresh Faces

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It is Wednesday, August seventh, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, episode fourteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break live from ox Dard, California.

We are rolling through training camp. Actually today is the midpoint.

It is exactly halfway between the time we arrived and the time that we will leave.

So we're we're moving through this thing.

And Cowboys actually get started with their preseason this weekend. So let's start getting a little more interesting rather than just kind of being Groundhog's day around here in Oxnard.

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All right, here's we're gonna do today.

We're going to first start with some transactions at the Cowboys made and right on, que we got our guys out here making sure.

And make you're gonna park it right there.

They are making sure that these players have a good field yes to be able to practice. I had someone on Twitter asked me, you know, why are you gonna tell them to stop it?

I'm like, yeah, man, we are not the priority. Podcast is not the priority.

Having these guys on a field where we don't have a CLS getting busted every day is the priority.

So do what you need to do. We'll figure it out, all right. But here's what we're gonna talk about. Some transactions today the Cowboys made.

We'll get into some practice observations, some things you guys have seen over the last couple of practices, and then we'll talk a little bit.

About a couple different things.

I have a couple different topics, one of them being the safety position. I think as one position we have not spent a lot of time talking about. So I want to dive into that a little bit at some point in today's show.

Let's start with transactions.

Yesterday Cowboys signed three players and they move Ceedee Lamb to revert reserved did not report my assumption.

Is that was more of just a move.

You needed a roster spot, you make the move not necessarily indicative of anything going on with contract.

Is that how you guys read it?

Yeah, I see it that way.

I mean it could if they felt like a CD Lamb deal could get done by the end of the week, then maybe they don't make that kind of move. But this is starting to trend more towards a thing that I feel like happens by the end of camp. And if that's the case, and that's one extra body that they could have here at training camp, and so that's what they do. They wanted to bring in three guys on the defensive side of the ball. They were able to do that yesterday by moving Lamb, so that did

I'm sorry to get antsy, because yes, this move doesn't mean anything in the sense of like, yeah, and if he was just signed today or whatever, they'll bring him in and they're gonna make a spot for him and room from him, obviously, But at the same time, it's like, oh, okay, well, I guess it's not happening today or maybe not tomorrow, or maybe not this weekend because you do need the bodies. But it's uh, we thought it was gonna happen last week, I felt like, and it's still. People keep asking on

I don't know what I'm talking about.

It's up school, the insights.

Come on, bring but the fans one on the show, Brian, have you heard anything?

I'm with this. I was at the party last night. I'll tell you this.

When you start needing to worry is when it turns into game checks because the way the rules fall down, you know, if you look at what Lamb makes, he could lose a million dollars a game, and so all of a sudden, now you start missing games. Right now, you're in that phase where you're you know you're getting fined, but they can all rescind the fines. We talked about that a bunch, so I think they're working through things

So we'll see if that.

I don't think they're gonna get that point, but pack, you know, this thing has kind of gone on a little bit longer than I thought it would myself.

Yeah, I get the suspicion that it's not necessarily the number.

And when I say the number, the.

Average that he makes for you, I don't think that's really probably what's driving or slowing this thing down.

The fact of the matter is, when you're talking about a deal like this.

There's a lot of other factors of how you structure the deal that will affect cash flow, that will affect how the Cowboys pay it out, that will affect how it will hit the salary cap over the next several years. I suspect that that's probably more what holds this up because I think everybody sees the writing on the wall, right, you know what the numbers probably are, just because you know where he slots relative to other receivers around the NFL.

Yeah, this is a the heat to me.

When you look at Lamb and people always say, when you give a guy a contract, are you expecting what do you expect?

He's gotten better every year? Yeah?

Yes, so you when you start to look at the players around the league at wide receiver, he fits in with those guys. When you start to talk about the best receivers. He is one of those guys, and he's gotten better every single year he plays. And you're as a front officer thinking, if you give a guy a contract, you don't want it to be two years in and then all of a sudden we're eating dead money at

To me, is that type of guy. You know he is.

He is that guy that if you watch him play, he has gotten better. Now there's people out there and say, well, wait, broadus, what happened in the playoff games?

What are we doing? You know?

I mean there's a lot of things in the playoffs you can talk about this football team.

It's just not Ceedy Lamb.

But to me, if I'm looking at the front office aspect of it, I'm looking at it as like, hey, guys, I it doesn't take.

Long to call the role.

He's in a room where he's very comparable to guys playing at a very very high level.

Yeah you know what drives me nuts? Oh? Sorry, what you I was gonna say just real quick.

What drives me nuts is and again I don't work in that in that room, like I don't deal with contracts, so I understand that it can be very, very complex. But at the same time, you know this was expected. You know Dak's contract coming up, CDs MIC's coming up next, You know kind of what those numbers are gonna look like. Sure you were waiting to see what other players we're gonna get, but you get it. You have an idea.

So it's just it's it's always.

Wild when we're sitting here this far into camp, talking about contracts because you know what's coming, you know.

Yeah, And I think an interesting part too, just the entire negotiation factors are the little nuances, and those nuances change every time that another receiver gets done or the rumors starts swirling about another receiver getting done.

So let's just look at this week, for example.

Let's say they started the week with an understanding of where both sides were at the negotiation. You know, one side maybe feels optimistic or upbeat, you know, Stephen Jones has said a couple of times. And then a deal like Tyreek Hill gets done where he didn't necessarily add more money, but he got more guaranteed money than any.

Receiver in NFL history.

So you add that nuance into the entire negotiation, that adds a whole different thought over right. Yeah, and then now you're looking at this Brandon Nyuk situation, the Ceedee Lamb and his representation fall back and say, hey, let's kind of see what happens here, because there's the Steelers that are trying to make an offer for him, the Patriots, the Browns, and if he were to get traded, then

Yeah, you got a team in this Brandon Nyuk thing. And I was talking to my buddies in San Francisco about it yesterday and they're like, listen, whichever way this goes, we've got this thing covered, you know, wherever it comes back in compensation now. And you're right about Brandon Ayuk. I mean, if he ends up in New England, there's a team that needs weapons, there's a team to willing to pay. There's a team that you know again, how

It's a hard thing to do to come up with these deals.

And like I said, there's a lot of different fronts when you're talking about a deal like this.

It's not just the overall money.

There's a lot of other factors that go into how it has to be structured.

And I think that's a lot of what's going on here. All right, let's talk about the guys that they signed.

Give me a rundown on linebacker Darius Harris, defensive tackle Albert Huggins, and linebacker Nick Vigil.

Yeah, if I could, I'll start with Nick Vigil, a third round pick of the Cincinnati Bengals back in twenty sixteen. So at the time, current Cowboys defensive run game coordinator Paul Gunther was the defensive coordinator for the Bengals, and so he was his coach for two years and then later in his career, Nick Vigil had a season with Mike Zimmer up in Minnesota in twenty twenty one, so a lot of experience and knowledge of the system Nick

But nevertheless, it's another guy.

In the building that knows the system could help bring these young guys up to speed. And then Albert Huggins six foot three, three hundred and five pound defensive tackle, and O'Brien will probably talk a little bit more about his alignment. I feel like he's more fit to be a three tech, maybe to rotate in with Osa Digizua. But five seasons he's been in the NFL, five different teams that he's played for, so this will be team

Yeah, let's do this real quick, Brian, I want to take the break and come back. I'm how Brian, give us a gattery report on these three guys. I know you've watched all three. Yeah, and give us some insight as to what you think they can provide for this team when we come back.

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It is the second segment of the Break Life Marks in Arc California. This segment brought to you by blockchain dot Com. All right, so, Brian, as we were going to break, we had mentioned the three guys that the Cowboys signed.

Give us some scatter reports on these players.

Yeah, they'll start with Virgil and he's kind of been a guy that's when you watch him play, maybe a career special teams guy with you know, with his mainly that's how he's always kind of stayed on teams.

First off, I was a little bit surprised that they.

Were bringing in linebackers. I don't know how you guys feel. Watching practice, I kind of felt like that this room has shown up at linebacker a little bit. And I it to me, you know, maybe it might be like they they not get with the one out of these guys special teams wise, his bones kind of because if you look at it, Virgil and you also look at Harris, kind of guys that play a lot of special teams

So can I throw this out just a question for you.

You think maybe it's partially because they like a lot of their linebackers, a lot of them. They may say, we don't necessarily want to play them in the preseason.

Somebody like Overshowing.

You would think it's got to be a lot in the preseason, but because of the injury, they may not, and they're like, we need bodies to be able to play these games.

I'm interested to ask because it's not an area if you're bringing in defensive tackle, I understand, you know, if they were bringing secondary help, I would go why you know?

Or the linebacker help? Why?

So that's what you do today is you try and go up and ask somebody like, Okay, what what was the thought about you know, the linebackers here?

And to your point, I don't have.

A great answer for you because that's not a position I would have attacked. I would have thought, Okay, I've got some young guys here, you know, I want to see them play. But you know, I don't know. That's it was surprising to me. But when you start to talk about with with Virgil and what he's done, he plays really as an inside linebacker, and that's more than you know. You think, oh, well, is he a Mike or is he a Will Sam? More of a Sam linebacker.

Some ground when they're running to chase the football.

So i'd like to see a little bit better burst from him that way. But the strike as a tackler's good. I don't see a lot of quickness with the guy, which is again something you see out here with these linebackers. There is some guys that can run. There's some like when they read it, they go. He's a little bit of a guy that when he sees it he's gonna go.

But I think that's his strength right now.

Is his awareness to be able to play the position and get over and then make the play. But he is a really really good tackle or tackler. I think he's going to be a rotational linebacker forim here and the special team.

Stuff that I mentioned. So, and then you get to Darius Harris.

I watched him quite a bit on special teams as well, just because I was curious about him. He's got some size to him, He's got some quickness off the ball, unlike with what you have with Virgil there. I'd like to see him adjust a little bit better in space. That was something that when you watch him play, he's kind of a bigger guy, and it was like he was not unsure, but it was like the ball was here and he was having you and then oh, come back, but there was not that quick processing to it. It

You see him.

Maybe they're trying to kind of figure out a backup spot for OsO Diggizuwa out here.

You know, is it Golston?

If maybe if all of a sudden Huggins works out, you can move Golston maybe to another spot. So that might be what we're trying to do here. But he does have quickness, he'll hold the point of attack. There's some squareness to his game. And when I say squareness, he'll take on. You don't see his he's wearing number ninety four. You didn't see him get turned or moved

Of the guy.

But you see him upfield and he wins upfield. I'd like to see a little bit more better awareness of the down block, like he would engage and then he wouldn't feel the block coming.

A lot of these guys could feel that and know that and.

Work around that block, and he kind of got blocked when it was that down block.

He was kind of taking that on.

And I'm like, man, how many times are you gonna get hit in the side before you realize they're down blocking you in this game? So I think I think he'll I think he'll be a good addition to trying to figure out can he play a little one and help him?

But can he play that three and maybe be.

Behind Osa and then allow like I said, allows them to move golst into another spot.

That's good stuff. All right, Let's let's move on.

Let's get some practice notes over the last couple practices. Let's go down the line. Tell me some things that you notice, some things jumped out of em. Let's start with you.

Well, can I go on a quick rant, real fun.

Absolutely, Like I'm gonna say, Noah, like you're about my scouting reports?

No, but yeah, so every year, I you know, we get excited before the season starts and blah blah blah. But you know, being there done that. In my case, I've learned my lesson type of thing.

I'm like, no, I'm not gonna get.

Excited about nothing. Y'all better show me in the playoffs not doing.

This, you know.

So, But the Cowboys tend to have some spark that they work their magic, and I'm a victim again that I'm about to jump on the roller coaster. But there's something that is really really exciting. The other day on the other show, Ryan, you mentioned Mike Zimmer and what he's been doing with the defense. To me, the more and more I watch, the more and more excited I get because it's such a different look than what we are used to seeing with the Cowboys defense in recent years.

The way that he's.

Disguising guys, you know, plays and and just the trick aspect where you would watch other teams do things like that and we're like, why can't we ever have that?

Why can't we ever Like I'm missing I.

Can't think of the word, but just tricking the eye.

But the point is what.

He's what he's doing, what he's doing right now with all of that, it's such a different look. I think it's gonna be very very exciting for fans to see, for us to watch this season, and it's allowing guys to be positioned better to allow them to be more explosive and more creative and like get to the place where they need to be and I think the defense yesterday's practice, they had a really good day. Everything that they did, they won. In my opinion, they won the day.

Very very impressive.

Yeah, I'm gonna piggyback off that with another corner that I think is just having a phenomenal camp, and that's Jordan Lewis.

Got darn it man.

Looking at what he's been able to do over the course of these these couple of weeks. Men, he's been phenomenal. And I think that there's a couple of things that play into that. A it's different than last camp, for him in the sense that he's been healthy the whole offseason. He's been able to improve this whole offseason instead of Hey, trying to get healthy and trying to make it in time for training camp. There's a different mindset that I

He's he's all over the place.

You see the physicality that's starting to come back with Jordan Lewis, and that's what we saw at the end of the year last year. So he's just taking where he left off in twenty twenty three and moving it right into twenty twenty four.

Really loved that.

And then one other thing that I'll point out from yesterday's practice specifically is they did a session with a goal line work and they were throwing in a different array of running backs trying to get those one two yards to get into the end zone, and the defense was a stone wall. I think they got him three consecutive reps, which was really huge for that defensive unit, and you could see, like whenever they were making those stops, you could see how much confidence was being built on

I'll tell you you're absolutely right about Jordan Lewis defensive holding penalty. We had the reference here, we'll.

Take our ones where we get um and I I was trying to think who was going to get the first defensive holding penalty because these guys will I thought it was a good day over And I think you're absolute right about Jordan.

Lewis and the player personnel trailer over there, they're watching film at night and they're trying to figure out how to get.

Jalen Cropper on this team is what they're trying to do.

He's making them a wide receiver in that room. Have to think about how many receivers are we going to carry? Are we going to be able to carry six?

Do we carry five? How is this going to play out?

He continues to make play after play, and it doesn't matter what group he could run with. The ones he makes place, he runs with, the twos he makes place, he runs with, the threes, he makes plays. It just seems like every time that you hear bones fossil, it's third and four, it's fourth and three, they throw the ball to sixteen and it's a first down, or they get down in tight red zone and.

He's able to separate.

He is making it very difficult keep an eye on him, especially this weekend, if it turns into or maybe all the preseason games. Does he function on special teams because all of a sudden, if you see and you've noticed number sixteen, he's gonna have to make his team.

Being a complete guy.

I don't think he could just be catch your guy or you know, but he is making that group over there in that personnel trailer.

Have to think about keeping a spot on this roster for him.

I'll throw out a name, and it's a guy that's a name that everybody knows, and quite frankly, I just over the last two practices I've started noticing him more.

It's Zeke Elliott.

He is not a guy obviously at running back. It's hard at training training camp to really see things from running backs, even linebackers that really impress me because the primary function of both of their jobs don't happen out here. Running Backs don't break tackles out here. Linebackers don't linebackers don't tackle out here, so you're not gonna really find out a lot about them until you get into the

But he's been out here, he's been a little more.

Spry over the last couple of practices, and that that made me kind of it didn't pique my interest to make me see just you know where I think he's gonna gonna be and what he can possibly be for this team this season. He did have, as we said, we keep saying, he had a better second half of the year last year than the first half, and and could just be a situation where you really can get

Hey, Rico Dabble is backing up either now, I mean backing up in a way of like, Okay, Zeke, it's all yours. I think that Rico is trying to put and I know that they're they're working Zeke, and you're mentioned a couple of days you are seeing. I felt like in the early practices.

We really weren't seeing Zeke.

I agree, yeah, And it's I remember Todd Arch and I were talking like is he practicing? And I'm like, I don't feel like he is, But you are seeing. You're right, you are seeing a little bit more from him, uh in that regard. But I I don't think Rico Dawdell is going to just give him this job. They'll

And I think regardless of how the depth chart stacks up, Rico Dawdell's going to have more opportunities than he had last year.

Yeah, that's just based.

On his health.

Is always the question that if you know, if you if you told me this is going to sound crazy, you told me he was going to be healthy for seventeen weeks.

He's a better player right now than Ezekiel Elliott.

I agree with that.

I think the scene he is, he is a better player right now.

If you said, okay, we are going to have to run the football and and you know, and I I'm not ever against putting the things in Dak Prescott's hands because he was a you know what you saw last year. I don't want him throwing the ball forty five times a game. But I will say this though, the guy that seems to give me a little bit of like, Okay, maybe this running game can average four yards four and a half yards and carry. I kind of feel like that's Rico Daddle right now. And I but I this

I still feel like they just have three RB twos that they're just gonna throw on.

I don't disagree with you on that, but I think that I think the thing with Rico Daddle, if I didn't have this injury concern in my head, I would I would totally say he no, he can, you know, put the put the put the equipment on the wagon and let him pull the wagon.

But here's the thing, like I think, if they can get solid production out of Zeke, which is why I've been happy with what I've seen these last couple of days, they can get solid production from Zeke and what you say about Rico and what they like about Hunter Lipke, because I think he will have that will have a different role than yesterdydditional fullback, right, He'll get some carries

If you if you told me it was Rico Dabdele Hunter lipke In Turpen mixed in. I think I can find a way to run the football. Yeah, I think I can. But again, it has to be about the tight ends and it has to be the you know, how things play out because I completely trust Smith and I trust Martin Steele. You know, we got to you know, he's trying to work his way back into things. But they've got to get it. They've got to have some

All right, let's go ahead and take our final break. We will come back in just a second. We'll get into a couple more topics that we want to hit here before we end the show.

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So I did want to get some updates on some of the guys that are coming back from injury. There were there were two in particular that last season I thought, or last preseason, I thought, we're turning a lot of heads. They both had a c L injuries. They both missed the season. They're back now and.

Practicing really from the beginning of camp. They've been out there.

Let's talk a little bit about what you guys have seen from Marvin Overshown and from John Stevens.

Yeah, I'll start with h I'll start with John Stevens.

He's bigger. Have you not seen anything.

O I have seen from Overshaw? I just figured out lest you have overshown there down.

There if you want, because yeah, yeah, go ahead.

I'll take both. I'll start with John Stevens junior. He's he's definitely bigger. And that was the first thing we saw whenever he started to get on uh the chords with h with Britt Brown during mini camp and we see him out there on the field and it's like, goodness, who's that.

It's like, oh, it's John Stevens. Like he's he's just bigger.

Now.

We were able to talk to him a couple of weeks ago twelve thirteen pounds of added mass that he's added, So he's starting to factor into that tight end position a little bit more rather than you know, the receiver experience that he had from college at Louisiana Lafayette. But the thing with him, he's having the drops. He's a little bit out here at camp. That being said, you still see the route tree on display. You still see his a bill to be a receiving tight end at

And then with Demarvin Overshown, man, he's like a bat out of hell.

I mean every time that he's hitting the field, he's trying to go one percent. And it was funny because after the first day that he hit the field, Mike McCarthy was like, yeah, he maybe went a little bit too hard as GPS numbers and analytics data came back a little too high than we want. So from me, what I see from him, I see I see communication.

Yeah, real quick, when you mentioned demon Clark. I think it's all of us probably are like you think of him and you think veteran. Yeah, he's a young guy, I mean really, and he came into the NFL already injured, came back from injury much fascinating at the spot, Like he is just a young I.

Don't know if he was going to play again.

Yeah, yeah, I.

Mean he is a young guy, and I'm very excited about him just because of the things I'm seeing out here, but more importantly just thinking about the fact he's still got a long runway.

He really does.

He He had availability the other day, I believe it was on Monday, and I asked him. I was like, Okay, you had these this veteran in the room and Eric Kendricks. That's really helped bringing you along. It's a great mentor for you. But at the same time, there's so many young guys in the room that you're kind of having a mentor and help, you know, kind of teach the cowboy way in a way. I was like, do you kind of feel like the middle child in the room, And he was like, yeah.

I actually do.

That's actually yeah.

So he's the guy that I think can benefit from both areas of it. He can benefit from learning from kindricks, he can benefit from teaching these young guys.

So with overshown for me, you know when okay, he was a rookie last year. You know when if there's a guy that's a rookie that get hurt they come back, there's still the lack of experience there. They're still like, Okay, this is gonna be the one year, two year player type of deal. But with him, you can tell that he has done the work despite of him being injured and out all this time, you can tell he's been studying.

He has not missed a beat.

I thought it would take some time for him to slowly start transitioning back into the groove and all of that. But no, he looks like he was up there last year. Like he doesn't look like he just came back from an injury. He looks great. His attitude, it's amazing. I love you you guys know. I always talk about energy and by and all that. He got all the right vives and all the right attitude. So I'm super super excited to see him playing actual football in a real

I'm also trying to call back to last preseason and last training camp when it came to John Stevens Junior, and I don't feel like we really started talking about him until about this point.

That's where I'm at right now, because you're right about when you watch him run the routes, you can see that he's getting confidence and his knee, the ability to get up the field, sink, to go to the outside to break and all that for a big, tall guy. He does play with some bend. The concentration drops bother.

Me a little bit with this guy.

But I kind of felt like last year that we were talking about him. You know, like this now we're kind of like, okay, we's kind of here right now. And so you know, but these these guys that have come back from these knee injuries, it seems like it has taken them some time.

Maybe that's something we should worry about too, with Digs a little bit.

Yea, you know that it wasn't it, Oh, Steal Pollard, all these guys that came back from knee and problems, injury problems, it took them a little bit time to get going, just.

Them guys around the league.

Yeah, I just feel like we just immediately think, yeah, Diggs is gonna be an.

All, you know, and you're like, oh, he needs to practice a little bit out here today.

You know. But I with Stevens, I could see it.

I can see it, and I'm looking forward to him in these preseason games and stuff. Over I like what you guys are saying about overshown. I'm kind of waiting for him to really cut it loose.

He could be. He could be just.

As disruptive if as Michael Parson's is in a practice. You know, he could be that kind of guy. There's been some times where I was kind of like when he's on the field, I'm thinking, Okay, he's just gonna you can watch some nine on seven stuff and he'll beat some blocks and like, okay. But then you get in the team and I don't feel like I see him in the teamwork as much doing those things I do see him, So I think they're kind of trying to get him going again. Yeah, he could play six

He's just flying downhill and making every single play.

But he's he is a really really He's helped himself coming back from the injury with his physical conditioning and that's made a big difference.

I think.

Yeah, I think the big thing for him is he does have the ability, the luxury of being able to kind of ease back in right.

I think that the drafting of Leaphile. I think you're right seeing some things from him.

I think Damon Clark is having as good a camp out here as almost anybody. So I think with him and then obviously bringing in Eric Kendricks, I think you've got guys that give Overshowing a little bit more of a runway to be able to get himself ready and to ease back into this thing. They're not counting on him necessarily to jump in and immediately be the top line guy here. He's got some time, he's got some ability to be able to work and work into it.

All right, we appreciate you, guys. Jonna's so we are back on Friday.

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