Cowboys Break: Free Agency Recap

combination before. But I'm happy to be here. Nick eat Men, David Hellman, Jesse Holly joins the shot. What first time for the Break? This is the first time you and I have ever worked together, really ever on anything. Well, not exactly, Man, I did a story with you after you were going to cover. Yeah, that's different. That's different. That's that's that's us both doing work. I just wrote a story about you, like like two days ago. It's a small story. Yeah, it's for the a book that

we're working on, the sixtieth anniversary book. So yeah, I figured you would be a nice little sidebar. And in the eleven season, all right, kill Pegras going on here. Huh understatement you know what, Well, depends on your definition of happening. But yeah, go ahead, Yeah, you know what, I totally forgotten about one name, big name that's been linked to the Cowboys. I'm trying to like throw all the names that are in and out all that before we get going. I just want to say this. You

guys can chime in on your thoughts on this. My opinion. Obviously you know this. There's a lot of stuff going on in the world. We know that, we know that from the outside, and bigger stuff than football. So yes, that being said, we're not being toned deaf to anything that's going on. But you know, this is hopefully maybe gives people a little bit of a break. That's what the show's called. Gives him a break from some of the news that they read. And it can be kind

of you get tired head doing that. So we know that there's bigger stuff going on, but we're, you know, gonna take this time here and talk about Cowboys, talk about football, and hopefully things get back to reality. It's been a really weird week because you know, the league decided to go forward free agency, and probably for the better because there's no guarantee that this is going to

remarkably improve in the next few weeks. So it's been a really nice distraction to think about, Oh man, Okay, this guy's going like Tom Brady's going to Tampa, Like what's that going to look like? But then like as soon as I start thinking about that, I'm like, well, like can he get his physical Like when are the OTA's Like when are we actually going to get to see Tom Brady wear a buccaneer uniform. It's just really weird, But it has been nice to have this stuff to

talk about and think about, for sure. Jesse. Just now, you were kind of asking what was the biggest thing that you thought, you know, in free agency around the league? And I think we said Tom Brady, you asked the question, you really didn't give the answer. What was What was your answer? I guess Cowboys related or just anything NFL um, I mean, of course, And the question was outside of the DeAndre Hopkins steal steal understatement? Yeah, yeah, um for that.

You know, I would say the Miami Dolphins to me, and I know that's kind of like far, but the Miami Dolphins has I don't know who they bank with I don't know who's signed the check over there, but they have opened up the vault and have just been signing guys left and right, giving out big money. Um, a lot of the guys have Patriot ties. Brian Flores has a Patriot tie, but they have they have shockingly opened up the check book and been signing guys right.

And you can do that when you spend two years offloading all your good players. I mean that's you know, they were the team that was tanking at the start of last season, and they you know, they shipped Robert Quinna Dallas for pennies they got rid of I mean, now you know, they got Byron Jones, they got Kyle van Noy. They're starting to add these players. But before a month ago, I you know, I struggle to tell you they even shipped Kenyan Drake out of town. I

struggled to tell you who was on that roster. So at least in that regard, it makes sense that they had eighty million dollars to give to Byron Jones. You know, you mentioned Hopkins. I thought. The funniest thing that I've seen on social media is when someone said that the buccaneer that Chris Godwin, who wears number twelve for the Bucks, is going to get more for giving up number twelve to Brady than Bill O'Brien got forget given nice. Yeah, but that's a serious question though, Like that is a

serious question the number. What is he going to give up for that number? Like, where's your what? I mean? He has a logo that says TV twelve. Right, that's just logo. They'll make it work. And you're in Tampa, So TV twelve in Tampa Bay. Oh yeah, I'll give you. Can I give a quick number story, it's very quickly. During my time at UNC, I played basketball as well, and my number was twenty four. UM. And so one day during like the spring summertime, I'm sitting in a

bowl Jangles having lunched by myself. I get a call from an assistant coach, uh CB McGrath calls me and he goes, hey, just just out of curiosity, is there any other number that you like the size twenty four. I'm just like, now, man, we're twenty four in basketball in high school, Like, that's my digs, that's my number. He's like, think about it and I'll call you back in thirty minutes, I go whatever. I finished eating my chicken, and he called it back and says, so, have you

thought about it? I'm like, CB, no, I haven't thought about it. He's like. I'm like. He's like, so, we don't want to give you a new number. We kind of want you to kind of pick your own number. I'm like, what are you talking about? Giving you the illusion of choice here. At that time, we had just signed the number one recruiting the country, Marvin Williams, and he won it number twenty four. So they were like, yeah, we basically promised Marvin that he'll we're number twenty four.

And because you're like the seventh eighth guy off the bench and he's the number one recruiting the country, what number would you like? Yeah? And I was like zero. They was like cool, thank you, hung up, and so I wore number zero for that that next year. You know, in college, they can count do what they want, Like Chris Godwin will probably get like a charitable donation out of it, and maybe Tom will buy him a Rolex

or something. But he's getting twelve. Yeah, my number starts at one hundred grand though, Like that's when I bought the floors at one hundred. I mean I think Tom can afford it. Oh yeah, yeah, all right, let's get to Cowboy News. Let's start where things have done here in the last few days. Kai for Bath, Anthony Brown, those guys are expected to sign with the Cowboys. Of course everything's a little bit different and dotted one greeted terms.

Maybe some of them have come in and signed it, but Brown for Bath, Joe Looney looks like he's headed there, headed back here as well. Maurice Kennedy, Sace Kennedy, Kennedy cornerback from the Ravens and Jets. Maybe spent some time with the Jets. Um, don't forget the one hundred million

dollar guy. What Mari Rope, I'm actually starting backwards. So I was like, you know, like I was kind of thinking that maybe you covered it some in the show you did yesterday, just saying I'm just saying written down, I was going in with my recent stuff. I feel like everyone listening is, you know, they're keeping up with this. So let's talk about the recent stuff first. Go backwards. Yes, we'll hit to the big hitters. Uh in a second, Um, you like the for Bath move for Bath, I guess

is it's not the only thing they do. Yeah, Like, as long as it's not just yeah, Kai's oar guy. He was great. He was great for a month last year Union ten ten kicks I think, I mean he was great, No disrespect to him. He didn't miss a single extra point or a field goal, right, I count twenty Now he used to be just field goal, No,

for sure. I mean after the struggles everything with the way the rules are down, especially with him, I mean, he's missed some Happy to have him back, but you know, I don't like the idea of it's just his job him and what's not just him? But was it Tristan this guy you know? Or yeah I have another kicker. Yeah, he'll be probably going to camp, but still somebody. I

want there to be at least two kickers. Yeah, and like not like a guy that saves Kai's leg on off days, but like a guy that's competing to be the Cowboys kicker. It's a little bit crazy that we've come to a point in NFL football now where we have discussions about kickers because they've been so sporadic, Like this wouldn't have been a discussion ten years ago, Like we would be like oh, we would have even mentioned

the kicker. Yeah, like he wouldn't have been. He wouldn't have been in any other mentions of signs, he wouldn't have been. He wouldn't have like he might have a small sentence if you were lifting all the signs. But now because of one where the NFL is at and how kicking has become so crucioe and so crazy at times, and then when there's team has been the last year or so with the inconsistency of kicking, now we have to have this conversation about is this guy going to

be good enough for the long haul? How many times did the Cowboys blow out a team? It means few, isn't it. Yeah, Well, last year it felt like they were either blowing people out in wins or losing. The last five or six years, though, they don't blow out of teams down and they don't get blown out. But that was the philosophy of Jason Garrett. Though. But Jason Garrett always wanted to be as long as I'm within a puncher's chance at eight and eight type of guy

at the end of the game. That was always this philosophy. He was never looking to blow anyone out. He was always saying no, And so that's why kick comes important and you know when, and it's not just at the end of the games. I mean, think about it, if you got if a team gets the ball with a minute thirty to go before halftime, you kind of think with their two minute offense, they're gonna get down at

least getting positioned in kake a field goal. So field goals always matter at the end of the half, end of the game. So you know, I think it's it's it's good to have four bath back, but I agree with you, like, let's let's see what else, because all it takes for him is one missed extra point in the season opener, and then you're already thinking, okay, not to jump the gun on your talking points, like I

already did. But like, that's kind of how I feel about everything they've done so far, all right, I'm like, I like that as long as it's not the only thing they're gonna do. Let's go down the list. Then, um, let's Anthony Brown. I mean, obviously that won't be the

only thing, but I love it. You need four corners, right right, so they've got three for sure, that three with starting Slash major playing experience Brown Cheeto and and I mean, and you know when Brown resigned or agreed last night, like a lot of people were dogging him. He's that. I mean he's been I swear to god. There's people that just like there's this cornerback out there that's never been beaten for like, oh, he just gives up play. I'm like, well, yeah, like that's what happens.

Like teams throw the ball forty times a game. But I love is. I had someone say I would rather have kept a lumba and let this guy go, And I was like, seen him race. I know this isn't like fifth grade, but have you seen the guy's race? Because if you would have seen if they would race Anthony Brown and Donovan a lumba, would Anthony Brown would be able to turn around at the end and kind of like wave to I mean, it's probably the difference of four three and a four six four seven guy

that was a lumbus problem. He just couldn't run. It's absolutely that's that's ridiculous. Like Anthony Brown, He's honestly for me, like if he's your third corner, then your secondary he's probably pretty damn good, like four year starter. He's played slot, he's played outside. I think, I mean he's he's adequate, if not outright good. And what the new changes that this cowboy's defense will be making. Al Harris is one of those guys who wants to get up and press

you like he's the new dB coach. So you're gonna need to have that recovery speed. You're gonna need to be able to, you know, child got the line of scrimmage and then be able to run and track guys out, hopefully this year turning to look for the ball. Yeah, hopefully hopefully. But that's going to be a methodology of how Al Harris and that you know, Mike Nolan, they teach that up in your face pressed the line of scrimmage. So that speed that you're talking about is going to

be necessary. And a guy like a Lumbo wouldn't fit into the screen of what they want to do because once you get beat from the line, you have no recovery speed. Which I can hear the rebuttal coming at me right now, and I get it. I said, if ab is your third best corner, you're feeling pretty good even to easily make the argument he's currently the best corner on this team, and that's a little troubling. Yeah, it's not like I don't feel good about the cornerback

group on this team. I don't. I don't feel great about it. I do like the decision to bring Anthony Brown back. I would love for them to go get another free agent or draft a guy highly, or maybe even both. But I think it's a nice step in the right direction. You know, we always talk about free agency being able to cover, you know, the basis on these positions. So you go into the draft and you don't need a guy, you don't have to have that position.

I think if they don't do anything else at corner, I still feel like you've got to get a cornerback in the first two rounds. That's that's kind of where I'm at. Is no disrespect to Jordan Lewis or Cheeto, but I don't look at those three and I'm just like, well, if we don't do anything else to this position, we're fine. Like, I don't know how you could feel that way. Yeah,

they're free agents. Two of them are free agents next year, and yeah, I mean, if you're looking at the big picture, then you're just setting yourself up to be in deep trouble next year. So I really I wanted them to take a look at Desmond Truffont, but it looks like he's off to Detroit. So I think the market is

you know, it's crazy how that happens. It's technically the second day of official free agency, and the markets kind of would you have traded a third and a fifth for like Philly did for Darius Lay, I would have traded a third and a fifth, But when you then you add paying him fifty million over three years, I don't hate that deal, but I you know, I'm not sitting here thinking the Cowboys blew it by not doing

that either. Now, now they've got a guy, know, they've got a guy that he actually did a really nice job. If I remember against Amari Cooper of course, into in two career matchups, he's done really well against Coop. Are they both on the road, Yeah, well I don't know about one of them. But they played the Lions in Detroit last year and Cooper actually had a really amazing catch on him if it was going around Twitter last night,

the sideline catch. But that was it. Though he had three catches for thirty eight yards play, did a pretty good job. Yeah, all right, let's keep moving here. Um, Joe Looney looks like that's going to happen. That's you know, that's a That's another good solid move there, because remember on game day, he can play three positions. He's your backup center, he's your backup guard. Everybody on our social media team, I'm sure loves to have Joe Looney back.

He does. They ask him to do everything, and he does. He's great. Well, I mean, but he's a good We love him for his personality, but I think that matters in the locker room too. I think he's a widely beloved guy. I mean like he he's a backup and sort of has this elevated presence because of how much his teammates love him and respect him. Played really well for Frederick a couple of years ago. Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that. Your deep snaps will be

good next year. Fine with that. I'm totally fine with that. LPs is going to be doing this for ten more years. I feel like, and what do you say, nobody's nobody's winning life better? Nobody million years ago, the best years ago other than backup quarterback it's the next best position in football. But I will say this, and people just think the snapping that's what you have to do most

of the time. But if he if he was a liability to run down on a punt, I mean, you still have to run down forty yards and and you know, you'd like to think other guys will make that tackle, especially if the punt's high enough and all that. But he's still able to go and do that, and he keeps his body good and all that. But don't discredit

that's snapping like that is. So when you watch a guy come off the edge for a field goal block and there are I mean millimeters from blocking it, yeah, it's simply because the snap got that back there and it wasn't high, and it wasn't left or right. I mean it got to the point so that the catcher can get it and get it down and get it kicked.

It doesn't even have to slept. That is so important when you're talking about And then also for special teams, because I played with LP, when you come up for a punt, LP will sometimes help you get into the right call right because a personal pacton might come up and call the wrong call. And he'll go hey, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, fifty three fifty three You're like, oh, okay, yeah, that's better. So he'll he'll adjust you sometimes at the line of

scrimmage to get you in the right call. What is it, he's like thirty eight something. I mean, if his snaps don't drop off, like he can just keep resigning one year deals and for ten more years. I don't care. So he's played two hundred and thirty seven games. If he plays sixteen more, that's what two fifty three. Yeah, and Jason Witten's at two fifty five. And I'm just going to segue into the fact that I think Jason Witten has done it two fifty five for the Cowboys. Yeah,

there's been reports that he's going to the Raiders. So we'll see how. It's a weird it's a weak. I mean, it's it's a weird week for everyone because and you've seen teams kind of poking fun at it on Twitter. Is like, the NFL's not letting teams announce these signings, so there's a lot of room for there. They're letting teams announce the signings. They're not letting teams announce agreed to terms. Ah, yeah, you're well, yeah, if you do actually get physical and sign right, you can announce it.

But because of COVID nineteen, a lot of guys aren't getting their physicals therefore are not signing. So it's a strange week. And I do understand that, yeah, they agreed to terms with this guy or this guy, and then all of a sudden you're like, well, I guess we can't call him, and when in reality it's really not done yet. But one of those guys will just skip it around here. One of those guys that that it's it's kind of interesting on what will happen with with

him is Gerald McCoy, defensive tackle. Six time Pro Bowler, played for mostly for the Bucks, also with Carolina last year. And you know, he's a guy that I think penning a physical that that's a guy that the Cowboys will sign if they, you know, can get him in here. Do we like to move there? MALIEK. Collins younger moves on McCoy, more established, older guy, but a different type of player, different fit now will he'd be playing inside or outside because he played a lot of um outside

rushing off the edge for Carolina last year. I would have imagine, and he did, but I would imagine he will primarily be their three technique with some versatility to move outside. That's what I that's that's the position that I thought he was playing. I really didn't know he played some of them. He did, like they moved him out a little bit Beacon, but I would he's their three technique. I'm with this general McCoy. I'm like David, I'm okay with the signing, but this can't be all

that they do. I think I think this one is a couple of years late for me, um because I've been one of him a couple of years ago. Yeah, and he's finally gotten here, he said. He seems to be extat. It's crazy. He has a son that's going to Oklahoma next year, step son. I mean, it's not as crazy as it could be. Okay, but I was like when I saw that, was like, wait, he has a son going to Oklahoma. But I'm okay with this. I think this is a piece that will that will

help on the inside. Yeah, I don't know what the deal is with Tyrone Crawford. Is he gonna, you know, forgotten man? I think he's back. I do now. They might have to restructure his deal a little bit, supposed to make eight million I think next year. But I do think he's back now. The question with him, which has been the question forever, is what position does he play? Does he play in? Does he play inside? I mean,

how are they going to use him? But from what I have been told about what the what they wanted tackle, it's not Rod Marinelli's defensive tackles anymore. Obviously. They want bigger guys that more clog up the middle and not as much of you know, moving the pocket up rushmen that get up the field. Not that McCoy can't do that, but I do think you'll see some kind of big defensive tackle and that's not Crawford so and I think that's important because what we have at linebacker, you know,

bringing back Sean Lee. We pray that that Laton's neck kind of comes together. Those necks are always tricky, and then we pray that we get a resurgence from Jaylen Smith. Those guys are better when they don't have to deal with fat guys. So you get fat guys to clog up the other fat guys and let those other guys be athletes, Sean Lee is going to be able to diagnose whatever the play is. I am confident of the

knowledge of Sean Lee. Now his body may not react the way you want it or as fast react as you used to, he'll be able to know where the play is going. Layton, if he can be healthy, has the capability of of running down anywhere sideline of sutheline.

And we all know what Jayleen can be athletically. But when they have to deal with fat guys, when they have to deal with other three hundred pound guys that they have to shed and get off, that is where they begin to struggle through the course of a game.

So if you got some bigger guys in front of them that allow them to just be free flowing, tackling machines, now you've created something for those guys to go and be athletes, to go out there and just do what they normally do instead of having to deal with shedding guys because they just can't. Like they're they're they're not your traditional linebackers. They're more of your run fast linebackers. So we have to deal with those fat dudes through the course of the game. That wears them down. What

is your defensive tackle position looking like right now? That's so I really like the McCoy's signing. It's funny to me, you know. And and obviously you know Rod Marinelli's not here. Maybe that's part of it. They didn't want him. He got one year for ten million last year with Carolina. They weren't interested there. He signs here for a reported he agrees here or whatever, we'll see. It's it's a

weird week. But the deal that is supposedly in place is three for twenty with bonuses, it comes out to like six a year. So it's I mean, it's always going to be about cost with these guys. It seems like um, but I think he's still got gas in the tank. He played well in Carolina. The thing again, like Jesse said, it can't be all they're gonna do. I mean, mathematically, it can't be all they're gonna do because they literally have Gerald McCoy and Tristan Hill. And

that's I was sitting here yesterday. I'm like, these nose tackles are dwindling because Lynvall, Joseph is gone, a Sean Robinson is gone. I think there's a couple other guys that have gotten snatched off the market too, to where I'm like, I would love for you to invest in both of these positions, and I'm I'm curious to see what that entails next. Has is still out there, still available steps if you want to, if you want to

see me do some fist pumpings, make that happen. All right, we're working backwards here when this is These are the moves that have happened recently, not the biggest moves they've done. This week, we're gonna go to break come back. We're gonna talk about the big three, Darwin, Dag Cooper, maybe not in that order. Your new apartment's big, such a great deal, Yeah, that's okay, just okay. Right about the subway, well, I bet you don't even notice it after that's my neighbor.

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reality TV show from Jesse Holly. Of course he won fourth and long? What blow was that? Long time ago? Yeah, two thousand and ten. Rossom though nine nine years now, two thousand and nine got you into the Cowboys on two thousand and ten. I still my favorite story. It's not everyone will say the forty nine ers running seventy

seven yards. My favorite one is the Vikings game. And I know they played it on here or the last week about but the best part about that whole thing was that it was a punt that just landed right to you. You turn and scored, But that got you onto the practice squad that year. And that play was fourth and long. It was, and they punted and it went right to you, and you said, I'll just take this to the house. Go do it. Man. We need

we needed to make a play. We were losing that game, and I see that was the fourth preseason game, and in your mind, we needed to make a play. And most of the other player's mind is I'm running out of sunflower seeds. You know, like this this game, you know, get my pads off, right, But not for everyone. And we have seen fourth preseason game can matter to a certain That's what I don't want them to eliminate preseason, Like, don't treat preseason like it's nothing, because it means something

to do. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything to Dak and to Zeke and tomorrow, but guys like me, it means something. So every opportunity that we get because you don't get him in practice. Yeah, you guys know that you had training camp. Like if you're in training camp and you get two reps, you've had a good day. You know what I'm saying. The starters get all the reps. Guess what, I know. The Cowboys get five preseason games this year, we hope. Come on now, I'm just signing talking Cowboys.

Let's not do that here, all right, All right, let's go to what they did earlier in the week. Um start, let's go with a Mark Cooper. I mean five years, one hundred million dollars. That's the that's the deal that is signed. That deal is signed, by the way, what do you think about that? Do you think the Redskins came in the last minute and kind of pushed up

the price somewhat? I feel like the price was probably always there, right, that's yeah, twenty and I don't know that's the way these things type of work, kind of work. I mean, Julio is at twenty two. I mean, you know, Mari doesn't have as great of a case for that, so he doesn't set the market. But how long ago did O'Dell sign his eighteen million dollars deal? Two years? Two years ago? So I mean that that's just so I don't know that I necessarily buy that the Redskins

like drove the price up. I think that was probably always the price, just when you account for the ever expanding market, you know, when you when you make that trade the way they did. And I just remember thinking, if they lose a Maar Cooper, all the stuff that they said about Cooper being twenty four years old and all that like that means you have to sign him because you're drafting, you're using your first round pick for him,

so he has to be here. So I thought it was going to be a huge fail if he wasn't. I still think that's a little high for what we saw last year. I don't think that he showed last year that he was the second best receiver in the NFL. I guess you could make the case Julio didn't say didn't show he was the first, but he has over the course of his career. But there's some concerns. I think with Amari Cooper, they're still there and you wonder how him getting twenty million a year. You wonder how

if it all changes anything. I think a little bit of the concern And they know more because and I mean they, as Stephen and Jerry Jones, know more about was there a rocky relationship between Amari and Sanjay and Amari and Jason. You know that the talks about that last year and how that are played into whatever the performance was on the field and now that you have a fresh start. And I think with Mike mccarthury, he looks at it and and you go, we need a guy.

If we're going to be successful at what we do offensively,

we need a guy like this. We need we're going to be in three and four wide receiver sets, and it kills what we want to do schematically offensively if we don't have a dominant number one, you know, if we don't have a dominant number one that can set the tone of what we want to do offensively, then it kind of really kills what we can do everywhere else and how we can continue to grow Michael Gallup and how we can continue to grow Blake draw one and whoever they are other pieces they bring in to

play in the slot, it kills all those other pieces if you don't have a guy outside that's going to command the defense's attention and the number one corner and the safety being you know, moving over to that side.

So I think when you add all that into the play, and then if I'm an agent, I'm going back and I'm saying you saw what Dak was when you didn't have him, right, like, as much as you want to say what it was last year between the home and the waste splits about how those and the targets, maybe in the play of that but you have to say to yourself, I'm an agent, I'm going and I'm saying, Okay, mister Jones, you remember what life was like before he

got here. And if you want to start all over again with the devil that you don't know but all means, don't pay us and we'll go somewhere else. But if you want to keep this thing here and deal with the devil that you do know and build with the new offense that you are going to half with Mike McCarthy, then here's our number. Five year deals make me uncomfortable just as a general rule, especially, I mean, you know, we all remember getting two point one years out of

Dez's five year deal. Like you never know what's going to happen. A lot of these guys never see the end of them, So it makes me uncomfortable. But one thing I read, and you know, shout out to Todd Archer.

He's the king of breaking down contracts. He you know, he laid this out in a really encouraging way for the Cowboys, which is that they have a get out clause after two years with this deal because the vast majority of the guarantees are in the first two years, so if you have to part way is in year three or year four, that's not going to kill you. And I feel perfectly fine with that. And for that matter,

Amar's a young guy. I can imagine him finishing this deal like that's not crazy, just because he's twenty six right now. So that's fine. And the other thing is I understand the concerns, you know, with you know, the way the season ended. You know, people are put off by his demeanor. Sometimes I try to look at it the other way and say, this guy's steady eddie, Like if that's how Amari Cooper handled himself in a contract year, then I don't think getting this crazy payout is going

to change too much about his demeanor. And I value that just you know, it's it's nice to know. I think you know exactly what you're gonna get at all times from Amari Cooper, which is not something you could ever say about Dez and I can see you. I mean, I get it because you know, he played two snaps against the Jets and he didn't go back in on fourth down against the Eagles. I just mean in terms of like his demeanor, like he's the same guy all the time, and that can be frustrating, but he is not.

I don't think he's an unpredictable guy. I don't know that gives me some peace of mind. Well, I think last year was weird, you know, just because he there were games where he just didn't play well at all, and they were typically on the road. Yeah, I don't know if this if that's enough of a sample size to say he's only good at home and only good on the road. But I know last year, you know,

maybe it's an indoors thing. You know, maybe it's you know, when weather's is tough and it's tough to pass and he you know, harder for him to get open. But you know, there were some games last year, I mean New Orleans was another one. He had a couple of really tough penalties that went against them, and those I think they were questionable offensive past interference calls, but either way,

you know it affected that game. So you know, he had some moments where when he's on, they're really good, but when when he's not, you know, the team struggles. But that's probably the case for most number one receivers. I will take the full pack of what we've seen from him over twenty five games plus him as a person over trying to find that somewhere else. The crazy part about it, though, even when you talk about the home away splits like he was still a thousand yard receiver.

Like that's a crazy part about it. He was still missing games, not finishing games, and whatever you want to say about whether it's injury was he was there all season long. It was still a thous yard receiver. And I think you know with him and you will you can attest to this more than anybody in this room, of course, is that when he was looking at other other things around the league, other situations, other potential you know, teams, he could go to. What better number two receiver is

there that he could play next too? Because if Michael Gallup continues to play the way he is, it's gonna be hard for teams to just say, well we just got him one on one because he's winning those battles, so Cooper could. He's a smart guy, you know, he can see all right now, this guy is over here doing what he does. It's gonna be hard to get double you know, double team meet every play. I actually I pissed Keenan Allen off earlier this week because I

was interested. I went and looked. I was like, you know, Cooper's back in the fold. The Cowboys have one of six pairs of thousand yard receivers in the league. There's only I thought there were only six teams that had him. Forgot about the charters. Keenan Allen and Mike Williams both had a thousand yards last year too, And Keenan found my tweet and what he took up. He took exception to it. But it's fine, Okay, there's still only seven teams in the league that have it, so you know,

that's cool. Hold on, hold on, let's let's like dig into this a little bit. Now. He did somebody retweet it. I'm sure somebody probably snitch tagged me or something, you know how people like to do on Twitter, like, oh, Keenan, they're disrespecting you on t It was an honest mistake. I'm sorry, Keenan Allen. I snitch tag Yeah, that's people do it all the time on Twitter page to me, I'll blocked you all the bag. Yeah, well, people have done that with me on this show, for with Dak

they do it sometimes all the time. It's it's gross, but well, I mean I didn't do it on purpose. It was an honest mistake. But so it's it's the Chargers the Cowboys. I don't know why I'm trying to do this. I'm not gonna remember all Buffalo now because they have Stefon Diggs. Tampa Bay obviously is the big one. Oh Buffalo, like Buffalo has Diggs and John Brown, would Beasley get I don't know, but it was it was

John Brown and now Stefon Diggs. I don't remember. It's a pretty good three, you know, that's a pretty good trio receivers. Oh yeah, and cowboys talking about trios, Cowboys obviously had one with Cobb. Now Randall Cobb's gone. But you know when when you look at one thing and Dave, you and I have talked on the phone more this week than we have ever probably, yes, and you despise talking on the phone. So it's been we gotta do

what you gotta do. You gotta adapt on the fly, and yeah, these times, but you know we we talked about this before. Yes, when if you were just just say before the whole thing, like they're gonna lose Quinn, They're gonna lose cop, They're gonna lose Colins, They're gonna lose Heath. You know who else have they lost? Ar Witten? You know, you know you look at all those but you're like, all right, which deal would you have done? You wouldn't have you wouldn't have done three years twenty

seven for Cobb. I meant, I meant to bring that up with Gerald McCoy too, is I haven't seen the terms on MALIEK. Collins and I want to before I like make a judgment on that. I wonder how much he got. But yeah, no, I said this yesterday on the Draft Show. I really thought they were going to make a run at Cobb All the writing was on the wall that they'd love to have him back. I would have been fine with that, And then I saw what Bill O'Brien gave him, and I was like, no,

we're good. No disrespect to Randall Cobb at all, but twenty seven million, with twenty of it guaranteed for a turning. I believe thirty year old receiver who like he was, he was good last year and some drops couldn't quite get on the same page with that at all times, had hamstring problems coming into his prove it year with the Cowboys. I just I like, I think very highly of Randall Coble, but that deal really surprised me. And let me just do a quick PSA and there, there's

just so happened. There's any NFL player that listened to this show, or guys aspiring to be NFL players, or parents of players who want to be NFL players. Be nice to your position and offensive defensive coordinators. Look around the league, guys that are getting signed big money, Malique. All these guys they're going to play for former coaches, guys who guys who are going Guys who are one place and coaches get fired or move or make changes.

They always want to bring a guy or two with them that knows their system that can be their voice in the locker room. But if you are nasty and evil to those people, they're not going to look you up when they go other places. So just look around the league. See all these guys are getting signed, and go why why does he get signed there? Oh he was Tim over there last year. Oh oh this guy with that coach. It happens all across the league. So understand,

because so smart. What you're saying is is um Mike McCarthy and Randall Cobb maybe didn't get along so well. I think the deal was just too good to dad, I think I love you, but no, you're talking about give me another five million dollars. They're about to give me twenty guarantee. I gotta go. I can't no state income taxes. I have to imagine that Randall Cobb was pretty surprised. Yeah, maybe he wasn't. I mean, players believe

in themselves. Players always believe in themselves. But from one year five to three years thirty is it's an amazing turner. And you know, like he call him was like he said, wait what God bless Bill O'Brien. I don't know what he's doing. Sign it. Let's go, like seriously, like I will drive to Houston. I don't need a plane. More power to you man. Which obviously, yeah, Cowboys need a

slot receiver. But that's a situation for him to be in because not only is he getting a lot of money, but he's now I'm not saying he's the guy replacing DeAndre Hopkins, but you know, somebody's got to catch the ball over there. And you know, couldn't you imagine I mean, the Cowboys getting rid of. I mean, Zeke is the closest thing they have to saying the best player at

his position maybe Zach Martin, Zack Martin, tyring Zeke. If you lost one of those guys and then replaced them with just a you know, I mean, Des wasn't Das when the Cowboys cut him, but they tried to replace their best receiver with Alan Horns and a bunch of guys. Remember remember the guy that they brought into that he looks he looked like he was forty five years old. Thompson. Good run. But I mean I remember when he signed his thing. He signed the contract, we put it out

there and everybody was like, Who's who's this guy? Is his Dad's one of the more blatantly failed experiments in recent Cowboys. What happened is no Brown? What is No Brown doing? He's still kicking her still, He's still he spent the year on I R and he's been around the facility. He's still here? Is he? What is that project is that? I don't know? Like that was a you know, that was one of those pet cats from I was. I've I've been riding the Noah Brown train,

but like with a new coaching staff. I think that's a come to training camp and see what you can do type of situation. Will he ever be with the Giants if he's released by the Cowboys, you can't rule it out. All right, Um, this is probably a record. We're gonna go another breakcare but forty minutes plus. We really haven't talked about that franchise guy yet. But will the one that everybody in the world's tired of arguing about. Yeah, that's true. All right, we'll go to break We'll talk

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I got Jesse Holly, David Hellman. I'm Nick Keepman here. This is the first time we've worked together. It's just pretty good, your little tar Heel. So you were talked a little bit about that. You said basketball, you played basketball, but obviously football too. How many basketball games did you play in though? I mean, would you played like a whole season? Yeah, I was like the seventh guy off the bench. He was on a natty team national championship. Yeah,

a SEC regular season champions and Mary champions. Marvin Williams played pretty well the number twenty four. But we don't get to the a SEC championship game. Not to make light of a worldwide catastrophe, but kind of bailed the tar Heels out of having their worst season ever too. Man, can't be enough that they don't have, right, Yeah, there you go. We'll say they weren't gonna win the tournament and go and go in there we had already lost, well we had lost in Syracuse and a SEC champion. Yeah,

they were were to tournament. They weren't going, but like, just nobody's thinking about it now now. So dude tweeted out like they were withdrawing their team from THENCE to day be town him and I tweet I was like, I think UNC should do the same thing. So, yeah, we've took one on the chin this year. It's okay. Once every twenty five years is fine. You're still You're still on the National Championship high. Well might it might

be the only sport that happens in twenty twenty. I'm on the National Championship high Arkansas won it twenty six years ago. I still I watched the highlights on that all the time. It's awesome, all right, dak he I mean,

franchise tag. Everyone knew this would happen. But do you think that that it's hurt this team when you look at free agency to like that it got to this point that thirty three million dollars they still have to sign them if they could have gotten this still done, do we see some of these other players maybe that have left that are still here. Do we believe that having Dak under contract would change their philosophy because like, even with Dak on the tag, it's and that I'm

not here to tell you Byron Jones isn't good. That's a separate conversation. But like the Cowboys didn't value him at sixteen and a half million dollars. If they did, they could have gotten that deal done. That's the thing, is like, even with Dak on the tag, they have this money anyway. Yeah, And the same thing. I think, you know, they probably liked Robert Quinn at like nine to twelve million. I don't know whatever the number is, but I think the Bears blew that out of the water.

So like, I don't think these guys would be here even if Dak was under contract. I do think it's pretty silly that we still don't have a resolution of this whole thing when we've known it was heading this way since January of last year. Yeah. But do I think it would significantly alter their strategy about free agency? Not really, No, I don't think so. I'm with you. I don't think so either. But looking forward, whenever, the idea of football getting back to normal business with OTAs

and all that kind of stuff. I think this may ultimately hurt this team because who's to say that Dak's going to show up to be a part of these activities. And I know that the offense is still kind of the same with Kellen Moore. Maybe the language of it changes, but there's still a level of continue that needs to be had during the off season. Right now, guys aren't working out together. Guys aren't here working out. There aren't

probably anywhere working out. So you have a guy who may miss an extended period of time with a new coach coming in trying to get all the systems in the language and the verbiage and his thought philosophy on how we're going to do things where the ball is going to go, all that kind of stuff, and he's not being here. Those things to me matter more than what it would have been as far as if he was signing. What we've done in free agency, maybe you

spend more out you know, just human nature. When you got a little bit more extra money in your pocket. You know, when you get that bonus, you know things that you might have gotten before. You see, like you know what, you know, I'll pay the extra twenty dollars for that shirt because I got a bonus. It's Friday, feel good, you know, so, But I think future wise, this may hurt this football team, and it puts it puts Mike McCarthy kind of almost behind the a ball

trying to get his offense installed. It isn't that kind of what the DAK and his agent are hoping for that they can kind of, hey, you know, kind of push the envelope a little bit and say, yeah, we know this is a strain, so pony up. I mean, this is what we're asking for. And if he does, that's why people will hold out in the first place. And if you just hold out, you know, if Tom Brady were to ever hold out in the seventeenth year of his career, it's like, all right, he knows the

system back to the back of his hand. But if Dak does it this year, he knows that it's going to be a problem. So maybe that forces a cowboy's hand, which I know were I know the point of this is we're trying to escape the realities of the world. But I think this whole thing with the pandemic really throws an interesting wrench into this whole thing, because yeah, i'd be right there with you. I'm like team reports for the offseason on April six Dac needs to be here.

You know, the salary cap is gonna balloon, and the Cowboys need to do what they need to do, like he needs to be here for the whole offseason if they expect to be successful offseason programs and definitely suspended right now, there's no you know, April sixth is not currently the report date, and we don't know when OTAs and mini camp are going to happen. I don't think anything meaningful has happened with training camp yet. But but

doesn't that make it even more imperative. Well, I mean because if we don't know whenever they do give the go, that's a great point. Whatever they do is say, okay, go right. You know everyone's gonna be scrambling, Hey we're here the next couple of days. Let's get here, and that's gonna be like yeah, I honestly I'm not going to be That is an amazing point, and I my

brain hadn't gotten that far yet. But you're right, it'll probably be a lot like the lockout from twenty eleven, where something, you know, something clicks and ten days later, let's go. But I'll tell you this, Even during that lockout, because I was a part of that lockout, the Cowboys, Tony Romo, Jason Whitt and guys like that, we worked out every day even though we couldn't be here. We worked out in South Lake almost three or four times a week. So while we couldn't be here doing stuff,

we were still together. We were still putting in the work. Guys were still showing up, conditioning, getting stuff in. Defensive guys were there. DeMarcus Ware was there. All those guys were there putting in the work. Who was the coach of that of putting that stuff together? Yeah, on the field, organizing is what we're gonna do next, that kind of stuff, I would say offensively. It was a lot of John Kittna and Tony Romo at that time. Yeah. Yeah, Witton

was out there too. He was out there. Well, yeah, Waitten was out there, wasn't he. Nick is applying something I'm not. I'm like, I'm all right, I'm really not. Remembers that your tone of voice made me think you were about to be a point, Like, yeah, I remember, it serves me correctly. They wouldn't apply anything. You know, we were we were all. Roy Williams was out there, Patrick Crayton was out there. Guys like that, Sam Hurt, like all the guys that were that were this significant guys. Well,

this is a really good point. Is like it almost might be more important because you don't know when all of this stuff is going to click into place. And also, Brady James was running for the defense. If Dak was under contract, he would probably be doing something similar. You know, he takes his guys to Orlando every summer and he gets these guys together. I don't know if he's gonna be doing as much of that until he has a contract.

We'll see. But but into your to what you were saying, you couple him are having a contract, and we're in this global pandemic with this, you know, social distancing and

not being around one another. So guys might be saying because we don't know if some people may have you know, people who are in their family who have compromise immune system, who may have young children and they're like, listen, dude, I want to be there, but you know, my girl has no spleen, or my mom who lives with me doesn't have this whatever, or I have young newborn children.

I really can't risk hanging out with you guys for a week at a time and then coming home and possibly because let's beyond as we're being totally honest, if they just let's just say, Dax says, come on, guys, we're going to Orlando. You think guys are going on the football field and then going to quarantine into their hotel rooms. No no, no, no, no, no no, no no, it's not gonna happen that way. They're gonna go out

right whatever's open. They're gonna try to find some way to have some sort of fun, whether it's a beach or something. They're gonna and a cowboy. So you know that also means, hey, I make a phone call. I know the bar shut down, but the cowboys in town. Can we come in and have dinner? Can we? That's a realistic thing. It puts a really interesting wrench into

like everything that happens in an offseason. I do, and I wonder, though, like how much of this is going to be about economics versus like principle, because that's the thing I keep going back to as well, is well, the new CBA that just got passed by thirty two votes or whatever it was. You know, everybody keeps telling me that the salary cap is about the skyrocket, like, you know, could go up by like forty percent in

the next two years. It's hard to know for sure, but it's going it's you know, it's usually a ten percent in price. They're projecting way higher leaps. So if you got to throw DAK a little extra money, does

it really matter? That might And that's another point to Amari Cooper, is like that deal will be a bargain in no time, right, And almost anything you could sign DAK too would probably be a bargain in no time espect like if the salary cap shoots up and Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson come up for new contracts, which they already are, and those guys, you know we're talking about forty maybe those guys are signing for like forty five, especially Mahomes, and all of a sudden, it's like, well,

I can't believe we paid DAK thirty eight million a year, but then eighteen months from now it looks silly. So that's something that I keep thinking about, is they can probably afford to do whatever they need to do. It's just are they willing to lose the negotias frustrating party, Dak. I'm saying, are we serious here? Like I've outplayed any expectation that you had for me. Remember four or five

years ago, he was behind Kellen Moore. He had to have Tony go down and Kelly Moore break an ankle for him to get an opportunity to even get some reps in practice, and you got You haven't until this year. You just paid me two million dollars this year for one year, like you got a jew got a severe

discount for the last four seasons. I don't even know why I'm even having to deal with a franchise tag and possibly not showing up because the discount that you are talking about, you got it for the last four years because you didn't think I was going to be what I actually turned out to be and saved your tails. I saved your tails because you had no plan. There was no plan in place after Tony Romo went down. There was no plan in place after Keller Moore went down.

I actually came in and while I may not have given you the Super Bowl steps that you wanted, I kept this thing from really sinking and going way left and gave you something to sell to the people going forward. Well, what wonder is is what was on the table last year in the in the off season. What could he have signed for thirty one, thirty two? I feel like

those numbers were out there. Yeah. What I wonder is, let's say there was a thirty two and he didn't take it now and he played for two, So theoretically he lost thirty theoretically. I know that they do the contracts a little differently, but you know, he was gonna make he could make thirty two and he made two. Is he gonna Is he gonna get that back? Is he gonna get that back? Thirty millions by this bigger deal? Are you gonna get that bad? I mean, think about it.

What if he gets thirty seven, You've still got to get you know, a six year deal to get you know,

five million more to make up the thirty. I just think I think he made a mistake by Yeah, but if you if you do thirty last year on the front end, and you pro rate that through the course of a contract, he's not having to make up that thirty because he would have been if he signed last year right for thirty and then two years from now, guys are getting forty and he's still only getting thirty something. He could theoretically be missing that on the back, he's

missing the end. Get on this one right, will make up for whatever you I soon did. He missed that front part of it. You know, I know what you're saying, but I just feel like if you would have done, if you I'm always about starting the clock, and that's why I was with Zeke. Start the clock, get get be twenty twenty eight or twenty nine. When you're able to get another one. That's what I'm saying, start the clock, get a deal, get another one when all this is going,

and I still think the difference. Let's say he's making thirty eight in five years, maybe he's not the starter, maybe he is, Maybe he only makes thirty or whatever. I don't think that's gonna be as much of a drop as it was from going from two to thirty. It's I don't know. I'm already getting myself tired here. I definitely I at least somewhat follow your line of logic.

And again, I think a big part of this comes down to principle too, where it's a you know, maybe on das part, but also his representation, like it's a pride thing, like we want to set a deal that's gonna make us look badass. And the cowboys, to your point, are like, well, we'll pay you, We'll pay you thirty four. But like let's be real, like have you accomplished what thirty eight entails? And like I feel like that is

the difference of opinion. Yeah, and I don't know who wins that argument, but the math on two to thirty two. Don't ask me to do math. But if if four is like two hundred percent, right, so we're talking like, I mean fifteen hundred percent from two to you know something like that. That what my point is is that if you would have taken that, then you start the clock when you get a new deal, whether you go up or down, it's not going to be fifteen hundred

percent of a difference, right, That's all I'm saying. But it was it was in everybody's best interest to get this thing done the week after Carson Wentz signed his and it could have signed him two years ago for like twenty something. Well they could not too year because he wasn't eligible until half until January. But it's I mean, you know, I don't think any one party is purely to blame. I think it's always you know, some of

it's on the team, some of it's on the player. Money, money, money, and we've got I just want him to sort it out. We've got two minutes left to talk about one of the first ones that they did, and this is a contract that you know, it's not what have you done, it's what do we think you're going to do? And that's Blake Jarwin. Uh wow, damn. Now, I actually so happy. I'm so happy. Why I'm so happy. I think I

am a fan of Blake Jarwin. I think given the opportunity he's going to and I'm not saying they'll be the next Antonio Gates, but I think he has the ability to give this team a legit middle of the field seem threat. I do. I think I think he had that ability. And that's just what I'm seeing from a small sample size. I'm glad that they finally turn the page away from Jason Witten. Nothing against Jason Witten.

He's a future Hall of Famer. I just got stopped trying to stop that that that that dog is dead. I mean I'm sorry. That's I'm sorry that that has been for a while and and we we we there's nothing to do with the charterned person of Jason Whitten. I love him as a man. I think he's a great due. But at some point time you had to turn the page and they kept like it was like, thank you. The phrasing caught me off guard. But I agree with your overall point, and I in a small

sample size, I looked this up. When he signed thirty seven percent of the snaps, you know through I think he had three hundred and sixty yards plays down the seam. He made the only offensive play of the entire Saints game down the seam. We Week one against the Giants touchdown. Had a great yak play against the Giants in New Jersey, you know, caught it on like the thirty yard line and somehow managed to score as a tight end. That's

pretty impressive. Yeah, I just his athletic. He want to see coops and you want to see uh Michael Gauss numbers go up. Yeah, start having a guy that can legitimately hold that safety down the middle, and then you can start pushing the ball down the field on the side and also maybe and not to say Blake Jarwin can't block. He can, but like, don't try to pretend

that he's prime. Jason Whitten either, like get him off the line is a dead And that's that's one thing that that if you want to say, well can he block, can he do that like Jason Witten did? Got to remember this offense I think is going to be different with what the tight ends actually and Jason wouldn't suck the last two or three years blocking. Sorry, no he wasn't. No, I said prime. Right, I'm just saying yeah, and those those tight end blocking days, right, this is this is

not what that offense is going to be. And if you look at what McCarthy's offenses were, those the fullback blocks a lot more. I don't know if Jama's OLDI Walt is the answer there. They did sign him, but I think if there are old school type fullbacks, maybe some in the draft, I don't know if there's any, Like the offenses don't really have that that much um, but I could see that kind of fit for the Cowboys as well, because to get the wham the nose

type blocking at the line. I think you'll see that from the fullback, and your tight ends will be spread out a little bit more. So That's why it's that's why Jarwin would fit more in this office, and that's why Witten doesn't. Yeah, you know, I'm not Yeah, I'm not saying he's Travis Kelsey, but I'm I'm very optimistic about what Blake Jarwin can be. If he's getting seventy percent of the snaps, it can be a five six hundred yard four or five touchdown a year. Dude, still

drafting one tight end? Uh? Not early? Like, I mean, I don't love this tight end class anyway, but if there was a guy there round, I wouldn't even want to do round three day day three day three. Seven hundred yards for Jarwin, easy, easy, That's not easy. That's after like a thousand for Cooper. Over time, there's a lot of yards to go around. I mean for Cooper.

You gotta remember, yeah, Dak is getting I mean I took the step last year he had how many yards he had He was ninety yards from being a four thousand yard passer. Correct, five thousand yard pass Yeah? All right. You gotta remember though that. Now, take every snap that Jason went and played in, every catch that he had that was a five yard catch and it was a five yard game. And now take those same catches and equate him to Blake jar and it is at least a five yard catch and a nine or ten or

twelve yard game. I don't want to Dak throwing for five thousand yards. If he those for five thousand yards, you're gonna lose. That's that's the name of the game now now, but it's the name of the it's the name of a of a if an average to bad team. Jameis Winston had more than that, and he didn't have a job right now, Like I think that if you're throwing the ball all the game, all the time, that means you're not winning. I mean, Drakeman never had those

because Emmett had those yards, so I don't. I mean, yeah, but that was also a personnel of twenty one, and well, I get if they're you know, if they're not. If if Dak can actually have the lead and you know, and they could run the ball a little bit more. I don't think he needs to throw for five thousand yards. I think forty two three and that's cool, but let's less could be more in that sense, I still I still take how many tuchses to wait and have to hear?

Sixty sounds about right, So I take those sixty and I want to multiply whatever the number was by a percentage. I just think, I just think the yak with Blake John like his ability to separate and to actually catch it and run it after he gets I'm just saying it's gonna be hard with Ceedee Lamb in the slot in addition to call up and who sing it with Roles going to death? Isn't it? Oh? Stop? All right? We could end on that. All right. It's been fun.

It's been a fun hour and some change there. We'll see you guys next Wednesday, and I think we'll be back in order here and with our full crew, and Derek and Ambers should be back with us. But for this, want you want me back next week? Well, I think you're gonna be back. You're gonna be hanging. Come back whenever you want hanging with your boys over there, all right? For Jesse, Holly, David Helman, I'm nicky man. Thanks to everybody in the back for making this wouldn't work. We'll

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