Cowboys Break: Free Agency Preview

episode number one oh four. Welcome to another edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. Happy to be back in studio with all of our crew here. It seems like it's in the offseason. See sick, way too much time between our shows. And actually we'll have a little bit of a disconnect again next week. I'll be out next week and then maybe back for a week and then out for like two or three weeks after that. So we'll figure out something

to keep us keep us going here. How's everybody doing this morning? Great? Thanks for asking, We're doing well. You didn't say you say it more brand. How are you doing guys, Hey, thank you Amber, You did that well. How are you this morning? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good trying to practice my English again. It's been a while. I saw that. Was that a dig at us or was that a dig at your Spanish? I don't know. I mean it was to find out that I was on

the show again. So those that don't know, I think Amber was taking a shot because she wasn't on the show last week. But yeah, we're okay. Yeah, well she's been on vacation though. How that go? It was great? Yeah, great time. Uh, glad to be back my land where people speak my language. So that was good. But I'm glad to be back on my other land. Good, my other homeland. Good, good Land sounds so official land. And then this is the homeland U States. Yeah, got it good? Great?

From when I go through homeline security, you know we're doing anyways from Cowboys Cowboys, we got a lot to talk about. There is um free agency starts next week next Wednesday, I think it is free agency will begin. Cowboys will have some free agents that they will have to decide on what they're gonna do with those guys, as will all teams around the league. And then but before we get to that, and I want to go through our list of free agents that the Cowboys will

have to make decisions on. But before we get to that, I do want to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence, who this last Just in the last couple of days, the Cowboys have made it official. They have put the franchise tag on him. So let's start first we kind of the basics of that. How much it with this deal? How much is DeMarcus Lawrence guaranteed? And what's left for the Cowboys from the standpoint of the mouth, they have under

the cap at this point, twelve dollars. Twelve dollars, that's how much they have right now in the cap, maybe like ten to fifty depend I'm just kidding. It's down there. It's not a lot. It's not a lot. Man. They can move things around. I mean, it just sounds dramatic.

I've been but like I've been trying to get to the bottom of that, because depending on where you look, there's about nine different answers, like right, That's why that range from like one hundred and fifty thousand or and I saw I think the highest one I saw was like one point five million. There's some as well as

twelve thousand dollars. There's some that have them even as high as seven million when you include rollover from last year's because the Cowboys spent the least of anybody in the league against the salary cap last years, and you can roll some of that money over. So again, I mean, and that all factors in, they're working with not a lot of money, however you want to look at it. I think it's more than twelve thousand dollars, but it's

not a lot. But I'll be totally honest with you, I don't I don't know any projection that I one hundred percent trust that is one hundred percent accurate. But with the tag, the tag this year set the cost seventeen and a half million dollars, it's fully guaranteed, which I think this is worth pointing out. DeMarcus has signed his tender, which you don't have to do. I mean,

if you remember, Dez famously did not sign it. He held out all the way till the July deadline, threatened many times not to play unless he got his five year deal, which he did I think three hours before the deadline passed. So DeMarcus is cool with this. He's you know, he's going to play on the one year

deal if they can get something done before the season starts. Great, But it's from hearing his quotes that he's given in them to a couple other reporters out there, it sounds like he's ready to do a prove it deal and try to really break the bank next year, which at

his position is a very doable thing. If he can have another year like he had last year his double digit sacks again next year, he'll be in position where he can command a staggering amount of money, because that's one of those positions where it's not you know, defensive ends are never really tagged to wins and losses. No one cares about wins and losses. You have one stat

that's really it. You have one stat. No one cares about tackles and tackles for loss and where your defense was ranked, you could be one of the worst teams. But if you get seventeen sacks like Dwight Freeney kind of made a career out of that, and think about that, that means one play a game. How many snaps are there defensively in again sixty seventy you get one sack per game and you're gonna be among the league leaders. So you're right and it's not, and I don't want

to diminish it's hard. I think to get the quarterback and bring him down, that's hard. But the fact of the matter is if you can do that once a game, you will set yourself up. He's setting it. He would set himself up for a really nice contract. Now here's the question. Even after this year, the Cowboys could come back enfranchise him again next year? Correct, I could. It will be expensive, but they certainly could do it right, It would be very expensive to do that, Yeah, but

yeah they could. I think the vibe in the building too is let's let's let them do it again. I think they're more afraid of you think they're okay with that too, I really do. I think the seventeen million is where he's going to play on them. Yeah, they could trying to get another deal. But oh, to be clear,

I agree with you, and that's you know. Stephen said this at the combine last week before this happened, that yeah, it looks dire in terms of the cap when you're carrying that kind of charge, But they're fine and they're comfortable with where they are. They believe that they can get done what they want to get done without having to do anything. And somebody asked me this morning. You know, people keep saying, like cap casualties, they don't have to be any like that. I mean, they could. You know,

the Dez thing is famous. You know, it's well documented. People have talked about Orlando Scandrick. But this isn't like past years where they've got to make decisions to get under the cap. Like even with this charge, they're they're fine, Oh well, he doesn't get hurt. That's one of the things that I think about. And you know, good for him that he got this deal signed, But he's at that point where I don't think many people can fully just bet on him one hundred percent his health just

we'll see what happens. I mean, he could have made a great deal now with the just a year thing, the franchise tag, or it would have been better for him to try to get the multi annual contract. And you know, I wonder how far apart they were, you know, or are, I mean, like, what is he It's all comes down to guaranteed money probably, so I'm curious to

see if they're probably pretty far. I mean, what did the guy from the Giants, Olivier Vernon had a similar career to DeMarcus prior to leaving for New York and has the same agent. The franchise tag on a d end when he came out in sixteen was fifteen and a half and he got seventeen a year, and do you know his fifty million guaranteed? So five year? I

think four, but don't quote me. I'm not sure. But if he were allowed to hit the market, DeMarcus could command nineteen million a year, you know, sixty sixty million guarantee. I mean, it's stupid, like people, players who affect the passing game are worth the stupid amount of money on

the open market. So it makes a lot of sense why they couldn't come to a deal because DeMarcus knows that, as it does his agent, and so why would you agree to anything less than that if you think there's thirty one other teams that would be willing to pay it. So that's kind of you know, they said that they were going to work really hard to get a long term deal done during these two weeks, and I never bought that for half a second. Yeah, well, let me

ask you this question. I do think that one of the challenges at this point is that you can talk about the Cowboys going into free agency, and I think most of us agree based on history, it doesn't suggest

that the Cowboys would be heavy players in free agency. However, they do have a list of their own free agents and they have traditionally look to bring back some of those guys at least And if you look at some of the lower projections that are out there, of the amount of money the Cowboys have now against the cap because of the seventeen million dollar hit, do you think that the Cowboys need to make some moves in order to free up at least money to get some of

the free agency. And we're gonna go through all those free agents that are their own free agents and whether we think the Cowboys will have them back, But do you think there's moves that they have to make right now in order to put themselves a position at least resign their own guys. Yeah, And that's why you never it's not like a scoreboard of what's the score when you're talking about the cap, because number one, there's nine different answers and nine different ways to look at it.

And then also they can do what they want to do, like they may not be able to sign three or four top free agents. They could sign people they want to, it's just how much do they want to push into next year and front row front load these contracts. But so yeah, I think that they have to do a couple of things to get you know. But see, they're

probably already projecting those things. They've already projected. David Irving's what they're gonna, you know, put in for him, and so therefore they're like, that's why they don't have a lot of because they've already put that money in. So I don't think it's really a tough situation for them, right And I mean, you know, the one that gets talked about a lot is you can restructure Travis Frederick's

deal to free up seven million in room. Like, if I had to guess, they've probably already done that in their head at least, you know, like they're gonna officially trigger that clause in his contract and we'll write a story about it. But in their mind, it's already done. They've known they were going to do that for a while. And then you could mess with Tyrant's money if you want to, with his injury history over the last two years, I'm not sure that's a great idea. You could probably

mess with Jason Witten's money he signed. I mean, that's a pretty team friendly extension he signed. You you would imagine he probably won't play to the end of that contract. Maybe that's Bryant's money. You could very much, you could very much mess with Dez Bryant's money. We'll see, I mean, but not in the same way probably, I you know, I feel like we've covered that pretty extensively. I mean I said on this show in many other places that I didn't think anything was going to wind up happening.

But reading tea leaves and having some conversations over the last you know, a couple of weeks, it sure sounds like they're gonna try to get something done. We'll see, you know. So does that mean a release or a pay cut or I mean, I don't know, but it's something to keep an eye on. There's going to be a discussion, there's going to something's gonna happen, obviously, you know, Jerry said, And in the big headline over the weekend for Jerry was that yeah, I want him back. Yes

that okay, that's fine, but at what price? And I'm sure the next question to Jerry. I wasn't on the bus, but I'm sure the next question was about the money. I'll yeah, you want him back, right, but not at this price? And he didn't really go there. Well, funny the funny thing, you know, Jerry, he made it sound very He was like, well, what are y'all even talking about? Like, but he's like, he's like, we're gonna meet, We're gonna discuss, We're gonna discuss a lot of things, blah blah blah.

And you know, I think it was Todd Archer made the point that was like, well, if you still think he's a number one receiver who's worthy of his production, why are you meeting with him? Yeah, you're not. You're not meeting with your guys who are earning the contracting. Yeah. Yeah,

that was one of the things. I think. I came in your off these other day and I was like, you're not You're not meeting with Travis Frederick about how much money he's getting, right, Because that was one of the questions I was asked to Garrett and he was like, well, you know, he's kind of noncommittal on it. And I was like, if somebody ask you right now, or somebody asked Garrett right now, is he gonna be back next year?

He would say absolutely yes. So yeah, I think I think when you listen to all the things that have been said, particularly by Stephen, Jason and Jerry, I think it's very clear that they're going to have a discussion. What that discussion will entell, what they will ask of him, what he will ask back of them. We all don't know.

I don't know if they even know, like I think, but we do know there will be a discussion, and at some point this organization is going to have to make the decision as to whether whatever amount of money is going to be on the books for him is worth it or not, and if they're going to move forward in that way, and Daz will have to make a decision is he okay with whatever amount of money

that's going to be? The interesting thing is, you know, it seems like we're so used to this stuff playing out like over a long period of time, you know, I mean, it took forever to finally get a resolution to the Tony Romo saka, but I kind of feel like this one is going to be faster, I don't.

I mean, I don't know if it's going to happen tomorrow, but like I don't, you know, because if they're not, if Dez isn't on this team moving forward, they gotta have a contingency plan they I mean, you know, I don't think you're just gonna look at the draft as how you're gonna Replacedz. However, I will say this, their contingency plan could be one that's very easily put in place in April. Yeah, because I do believe let's assume for a second that that Dez is not on this

team for whatever reason. If he's not on this team, I could see a scenario where they go into the draft, they get a wide receiver with their first or second pick, and then they go back and sign a guy like a Bryce Butler, and they feel like that's enough of a bridge until that guy comes along is ready to be there their number one. It's not forget the free agency is six weeks before that. I mean, I think

I think it's the other way around. Whoever sitting there in free agency after the draft, I don't know if I want that guy, well, but you know how I feel too, and I think that might be how they feel you don't think you think Bryce's gonna get like, no, but six weeks? I mean, and I get that, but I could see a scenario where Bryce is still sitting out there in free agency, say at that point, say

six weeks. It's probably four weeks, because when you get to like April fifteenth, that's where they kind of stop with all that. But I could say scenari where he's still sitting out there, And again, the reason why he'd be valuable to the gal Cowboys may be different than why he might be valuable to other teams. He knows his system, he's been system. When did that getting if they cuts? When would he get cut? Like soon? Right?

That's like, hey, I was asked to happen soon? I mean, because you would be counting with that money based on the other decisions you make exactly. But here's anything to happen makes me think that this doesn't happen quickly? Is you've heard we've heard consistently from Jason, Jerry and and uh and Stephen that there has not been a discussion this point. If there's something happened quickly or soon, Stephen

as should have been a discussion. I would think at this point it's a long could be you think it's literally just like, okay, what would be the point of how a conversation later on though, and not soon enough, because the point, in my understanding, would be to count with that money to figure out why or where you're going to spend it on or who you're going to spend it on free agency, And no, there was an art class and he's not going to be available, So

I absolutely, I mean, if you're if you are making that decision, it's so that you can use those savings to upgrade your football team, and that's not going to do you any good. In a month and a half. Stephen said that conversation was going to happen sooner rather than later a week ago, and on Saturday, Jerry said it was going to happen in the immediate future. I think, you know, do you think whatever's gonna happen is gonna

happen quickly? And whatever the resolution of this situation is, I think it'll be decided by the end of the month. And if he's not on the team. If he's not on the team, the first thing I do is resigned Bryce Butler. That's the first thing I do. I agree with that because I don't want to be Now, he doesn't affect what I do in the draft, but I don't want to be pigeonholed into saying, oh my odd,

you didn't get a receiver when everyone knows this. So the Ridley's gone at twelve, people jump to get Kirk whatever. And then you're sitting there going, do I have to take yeah, Courtland Sutton here or whatever, just because I have to, which I'm not saying is a bad thing, but I mean, you don't want to be forced into it. So I'm getting a guy that knows, that knows the offense, and you know he's got some upside still. Yeah, all right,

let's let's go in and and take our first break. When we come back, I do want to talk about the free agency that the Cowboys that are Cowboys players who will be free agents, that the Cowboys will have to make some decisions, and we'll go through that list. I want you guys to tell me how you think they play last year, what you foresee their role could be with the Cowboys, and then whether you think the Cowboys will or will not resign them, will do that? Women

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for details. Back to the break Welcome Back. This is the second segment of the Break Light from the SWDC Raget Studios Episode Dart. Thanks for joining us. Amber, We're going to get into some free agency talk and actually sometime in the third segment, hopefully we'll have a whole time. I want to get a few thoughts from Dave Hellman, who's coming fresh fresh off the Combine, fresh frash shout for the the Combine. We're all getting back used to this

whole radio thing. Yeah, speak for yourself. We're doing two draft shows a week. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're into and Indie. Yeah. For me, I'm trying to get back into this. Me and Amber are trying to work our ways back, work our way back in. So we'll in the final segment we will try to get some some updates on and what you saw out there at the Combine, conversations you may have had, and just catch us up on where

we are there. But let's talk about free agency. There are twelve guys I have on this list of free agents, and again what I want to do is I want to go through the list and I want you guys to tell me, first, how do you think the player played last year? Secondly, what do you think is role could be if he were to come back, start or back up contributor or whatever, and then whether you think the Cowboys will resign him, and you expect that they're going to resign him. Okay, so let's start first with

the restricted guys. Let's start with Brian Price, defensive tackle one technique, who I thought actually was a pleasant surprise last year in the time he played before he got injured. I thought he did a good job. He There's not a lot of people on this team like him. You know, he obviously is one of the few one techniques that

that plays that he fits the ridiculous orphan title. And uh, you know, I think for that reason, if he gets healthy with the knee injury which happened in early November, I think that he will be in the mix to compete for a job. I forgot how severe was that injury? Racl That wasn't pretty sure, I've been more than that. It happened in Atlanta on November twelfth, ended his season, So I mean it wasn't it did? Yeah? I saw it where he got I thought he got November six,

he's he signed. I mean he had a surgery November six. Oh well, then maybe maybe it was the week before that. Maybe I don't know it happened. Yeah, he was out for the rest of the year. I thought it happened against Atlanta. Maybe maybe everything, I mean, nothing really bad happened in Atlanta. Yeah, how could you remember anything other than like, he's he's restricted, but he's undrafted, exclusive rights,

exclusive right, right, Yeah, he's exclusive rights. He's back if they want him, and you feel like they want him, Yeah, I think so. I think you know, he's just he's a one technique he's yeah, okay, great, let's move on to a David Irving. He has a restricted Tell me about how he played last year. Yes, when he was played well, when he played, when he was on the field, he was pretty damn good. But that's a part of it.

Was eight games that were really good. Absolutely. That's a part of this is that I don't know that that you really can trust that he's always going to be available, and with a concussion, he still got on the field and played. Well. That's not good. No, I know, he was well and he was suspended for the first month, right, and the last month. Yeah, he had lingering effects from a concussion that he didn't report. So great, dude, trustworthy, maybe not so much so it's a long term deal.

Is that Is this a guy that you would invest a long term deal in or do you kind of gender and just kind of have him for another un see where it goes. We had a really heated conversation about that on one of our drafts from Indie because I just have a hard time reconciling, Like, you spend so much time looking for pass rushers, it's so important,

you've been so bad at it. And you found a defensive tackle who's capable of getting seven in eight games and you don't get the sense that he's that big of a priority in terms of keeping around for the long But is that because you're only going to get eight games year? Well? And yeah, I mean there's a

lot of reasons that you might feel that way. And on top of that, I mean, if you're going to try to make DeMarcus Lawrence a cowboy for life or whatever, I mean, there's only so much money to go around. They they're well aware that there's a very good chance they'll have to pay Dak. You got to worry about Zeke. You got other young talented players that they're going to have to pay at some point. So you know, at some point, it's a lot like you know, DeMarco Murray.

It's not that they didn't like him or any other free agent they've let go. It's not that they don't like him, it's that money only goes so far. You Know, what I love with him is that on the line, like let's say you don't have him back, and now you're left with DeMarcus Lawrence obviously the main guy on the line. Right Therefore, whoever else comes in, they're not

going to outshine DeMarcus Lorens. And by having David Irving, to me, from what I've seen, it plays such a great balance there because even if you're focusing on d Law, you still have David Irving that you cannot just let him fly by because he's going to get the job done as well. So it's such a great balance and great chemistry between the two that I think it's awesome to have him there. And you can't just put it

all on d Law. He's a tough mismatch because of his size and especially when you've got if you exactly right, I mean, when you have a running back that needs to look over here or tied end to chip over here, he's tough for one guy in the middle to stop. Now the tenders are out, I think it's just easy that he will be a second round tender two point nine one million. That's what they'd have to pay for him. If somebody else signed him to a deal, that Cowboys

have the chance to match it. If not, they will receive a second round pick that will probably a teams off to not messing with it. You could also do a first round tender four point one Well, I think the I think they would take the second round pick and say see you later. The first I think that's say I don't think would scare teams off. The first round tender I think would scare teams off. But I think the logic that I come around to is that

the second round tender just might be low enough. And you saw this play out with um C J Anderson with Denver in Miami lasts. I think it was last year um Denver put the tender on him, Miami offered him a deal, and then Denver beat it out to keep him. So I mean, so I think the second round maybe makes him just appealing enough that somebody offers him a contract, And if they did, I think the Cowboys would be more than happy to take that second

round pick. Yep. And then and you're okay with it, You're okay with lending that caliber player it second round pick. I'm not. I'm not going to go as far as to say I'm okay with it. It's a tough pill to swallow. Pass rushers are hard to find, but especially interior pass rushers. If they're determined that they're not going to give him a long term deal, they might as well get something for it. I'm sure that's their logic. But it's like one of those things where either option

is still a good option, you know. Yeah, so, yeah, they take the second rounder preferably, preferably it's like, you know, a Cleveland or somebody was high second. It'll be no that I do I think so, I don't think that. I think it's the top of the second. You wouldn't give your second for David Irving unless it's like you might New England or Philly or something way down down there. You might, I don't. I mean, it's a defensive tackle

that's capable of getting seven sacks. Those guys don't grow on trees, which is precisely the reason why, in my opinion, the second round tender may not be worth it. Like if if you're going to get back, if you're okay with that, you're gonna get back a second round pick. Name the last time you've had a second round pick that's an interior defensive line I could generate the pass rush. Certainly they you're not going to replace that production with

a second round pick, are you. They certainly don't have the eight games or the four at the end of replace can you replace the seven saxes at a interior

defensive line position. Let's run down the list of their last ten second round picks for as it was the last time the Cowboys had a good pass rush year exactly, and that included David Irving in the time that he was on the field, which I agree, if you're willing to really play the long games, what I would love is if they put the tender on him and nobody's interested, then you're only so you're paying him two point nine million.

Then when he hits unrestricted free agency, you can let him go and you probably get, if not a third then at least a fourth round compensatory pick for him

in twenty twenty. I mean, that's the long game. But I think they're better next year if he's on this team, and I just look at I think there's I would guess if you're if I would think like you were talking about a free eight with the franchise tag, I would think a team would have to start at whatever that amount is for the second round tender was two point whatever a million. I think there will be teams that will be willing to do him, do a deal with him that's a three or four year deal that

averages three four million a year. I think there will be too, and especially if they backloaded to where they're not really tied to the final year, final two years, whatever it is. I think there'll be teams out there that are willing to do that. And I think so. I think if you do a second round tender on him, I could very easily see a scenario where he no longer is with this team, and I think that's a

big blow to the Cowboys. I agree, I will. I mean the flip side of that coin, if you trust them to draft, well, this is a deep defensive tackle class. I mean, they could get a good defensive tackle in the second round with the pick they get for him, But I'd rather have him on the team than not. The big thing about that, though, is you got a lot of positions where you could use a second round ship on those positions. So it just adds to that list.

But I'm just saying, it just adds to that list of guys you now have to fill in the draft, you know, And I think that list is sizeable. I think, all right, let's move on. Let's talk about Keith Smith, fullback for the Cowboys. How do you play last year? What were your thoughts on him? I love that guy, and and you know, his roles and fullbacks probably overstated a little bit. He was on the field as a

fullback twelve percent of the time. It's not I mean, he's good when he's out there, but it's just not like it's this huge component. But he's a special teams guy. He's great on special teams. He does his job in the offense. He's got probably the most underrated hands on the team. Maybe, I mean, he only gets like two opportunities per year, but I'm just always impressed at how well he catches for a converted linebacker. Um. I think he's a good locker room guy. He's got a lot

of attitude, he's got some dog to him. He's a queue. So um, yeah, And there was a don't do it, Nick, don't do it. And i've seen you paunched a training camp. There was there was a report last week and he's he's restricted. He was undrafted. They're not going to put a tender on an undrafted guy. It doesn't make sense. Um, but there's a report that they want him back and they're going to try to get a deal done with him.

Your deal should not be hard. I mean a lot like before you you know, you forget Jeff Heath wasn't a starter when he signed that deal. It was very similar. It's not like there's this huge demand for his services. So that happens a lot. They'll buy basically, they're buying next year's free agent year for them. They'll basically buy it. So it's a two year. I would imagine he'll get like a two or three year deal. And because of the tender, even though the lowest tenders one point nine

and you're not gonna do that for a fullback. So I think he'll get like, he'll probably get like a two year deal worth about you know, two million, maybe one eight something like that. I'm not Yeah, a little bit of money in his pocket and put him very team friendly deal he's I mean yeah, I would be surprised if they don't try to keep him around at a and the money's not big enough that it's even

really a big deal. I would actually love to see them use him a little bit more, especially your yardage. I think there's an opportunity for him not only carrying the ball, but leaking out of the backfield and catching the ball some too. So I hope they resigned him. I hope they use him a little bit more in the offense. I think they need a little more diversity and he could provide that. Do we need to speed this up? Yeah, we need to faster. So sorry, free guys,

sorry undrafted free agents. Let's move on to Byron Bell. You take it left tackle. I mean, I gotta believe there's a veteran tackle that you could get for the same or maybe a little bit more who might be better. But if that's whatever, I'd eb You don't feel bad about them bringing him back. You don't feel great about the letting him go. I mean you'll feel bad about them letting him go. I feel bad if their plan is to just let him be the swing tackle without

any competition. You know, but either fine about same thing. I just I mean, he's he's under contract. He I know, that's that's his competition, right, Draft a guy or spend a little bit more money to get a better caliber player. That's pretty much how I feel. All right, let's move on to Jonathan Cooper. How do you play last year? Give me as a Scotter report. I played pretty well when he when he uh, when he finally got in there and and got you know, was was the solidified starter.

I thought he did a pretty good job. I had a tough injury there at the last game of the season, and I think that's gonna hurt any kind of leverage he might have. So I think therefore, I think he comes back. I think the Cowboys resign him and bring him back. Probably a pretty decent deal for the Cowboys and maybe the potential to have a guy that that starts. But I don't think he is the set starter again. I think he'd have to earn him once again. So who do you think's gonna be the set starter? I

don't know if he's on the team. Okay, veteran draft what I would imagine if I had to guess, you resign him, nice deal, draft the guy middle rounds. Hope that he can play a little center as well. You get some versatility there or maybe tackle as well. Guardia, I expecting him to come. If he's a middle round guy, he's not coming in next year and starting right over a guy that played pretty well as a starter. This you wouldn't think. But you never know. You never know. Okay,

you let them compete. I would let them compet a training camp, you know, just see what the other guy has got. If he's better, you earned your spot. Yeah, there we go. All right, let's go to Alfred Morse. Take that love love him, I mean everyone loves Alfred and but I just depends how much money it is. I would say that cow. We still needed running back. I don't know if they would just choose the option to draft one later later in the draft, but I

wouldn't mind him having back, having him back. Although we started seeing, you know, them not really using him that much, so maybe that's a sign that they're done with him. I think it's pretty clear, and I'll let you guys talk about I think it's pretty clear that they prefer to see Rod Smith as their second running back. You guys agree with that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they never are interested in using him after after they drafted Zeke Elliott. I mean he was. That's we always talk about it.

You do things in the free agency to prepare you for if you don't address the problem in the draft. But they did, and he so kind of became redundant. I love him to death as a person. I don't think he'll be back here, and honestly, I think there's probably backfields in the NFL where he could still go and a larger role. Op. Yeah, I don't know that

he's dying to resign here either. So in that role that you said about drafting a running back, I mean that's a perfect position where you can draft a running back in the sixth round and say, be the third back behind Rod Smith, maybe the second. You never know. I mean we've seen absolute teams and absolutely loaded running back class. I would and they have seven picks on Day three. I'd be shocked if a running back isn't one of the seven. Can I have a pick there? Sure?

I'll take Hines, Okay, Nakim Hines or nine North Carolina Klas State fastest running back at the combine. Right, what was the time? I think it's four three three something like that. You'd beat it at the forty I beat that. No, you can't. All right, let's move on Kyle Wilbur. Kyle Wilber linebacker. I always like, how many special teams aces do you need? No? I'm serious? And is that the only role that he feels here? Though? Eight a second ace? No? How many times do I have to do this with you?

Kyle Wilbur is a great special teams player. He's a guaranteed special teams play per season he does I mean he does play. Yeah, perst season is not an ace. You're talking special teams like the leading special teams tackler in the league maybe has ten in a year. I mean it from last year. I can't remember that. Uh he forced the fumble again? Oh, twenty seven teens. He's a good special teams player and a versatile guy who can do everything for you. That's the part that probably

could get him back here. But see versatility, they love that. Don't they ever play defense? Go look at this. His snaps on defense decreased every year after he signed his extension, not only when they got more talent in here, but when they realize, like, I'm not sure this guy is really what we want in terms of being on the field on defense. I mean, the vast majority of his work this past season came on special teams. But but let's let's not forget and then this is a big part.

A lot of times on special teams, that's the stuff you don't see. You know, you get a guy here, he knows, Oh, this guy's coming in here, blocked there, because all it takes is a guy, y'all. You bring some guy in. They did it a few years ago. They brought a guy in from the from the Seahawks, and he came in, I got a punt blocked and they lost the game, you know, because he didn't understand that stuff. So sometimes on special teams and stuff we don't see. But James Hanna has a special team, a

good special teams player. Jeff Heath is a good special teams player. Keith Smith is a good special teams player. Von Frasier's great on like, how many of these guys R Woods is going to be pretty think so too many these guys can you afford to give money to, especially when you're talking about an unrestricted free agent sixth year. I also think it's worth pointing out that his special

team's coach who loves him is now in Oakland. Um, So, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, I guess, but I I don't think he's a big big priority for them to bring back. Okay, um, lp Latticer back special team, bring him back. But any thing about what you said about Oakland, I guarantee that Besot is over there looking at that. But I think lp Um, he's still got a few more years left. But I know that he's already thinking of things after football, and some of those

things involved involved this area. I just would be shocked if he's not back, and I think the Cowboys would pay. He'll be walking around eating his cookie, eating his cookie. He does. He does like to snack, all right, Bryce Butler. Isn't that when the contingent right, you just kind of hold that that's your glass break in case of emergency.

Ask me, yeah, ask me in two weeks. I mean, when we know what's going to happen with dads, Ask me about Bryce and their whole thing is if that's their contingency plan, I'd better figure it out, because I mean, I gotta imagine that he's going to get at least

an offer somewhere. You know, I don't know if I don't think he'll be in that first wave though, And no thing about this thing about free agency is you know, you kind of have your first wave of free agents, and those are gonna be the guys at day one, day two, day three. Those will be those guys, and then the rest of them start kicking in. They could be you know, three weeks after that, four weeks after that, whatever.

So if the timetable on Dez is what you guys think it will be, then there's plenty of time to wait on Bryce, and he should still. I don't think he's gonna be in that first way, So I think he'll still be available for you to do a deal with him if that time comes. And he's made it clear the only way he wants to come back is if Dez were not a part of me. That's what he said. Those are the words that he put out there. He signed his deal here a lot. He was the

first signing they made. He signed within like two hours of the market opening, right, So I don't know, he never thought what was gonna happen. He never thought Terence was gonna be back and didn't think they would draft two receivers. Yep. I I leaned toward thinking no, but yeah, I wouldn't shot nothing that wouldn't shock me either, in the same way, I don't would be a team friend. I don't. I don't know. But if he if Dez isn't back, I think I would try to sign him.

All right, I think he wants to come back. Let's take our final break and we come back. I want to hit Anthony Hitchins to talk a little bit about him, because he's the one guy out here that I think is going to have probably the most generate, the most interest on the free agent market. And I want to know if you think the Cowboys even have a shot of trying to resign a guy like Anthony Agents. We'll do that when we come right back. This is Dallas

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The Break live from the s WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, I'm enjoying this show. I'm having fun. Goods you guys enjoying it? Yes, I love talking about football, you know what. No, I was just thinking kind of like, I don't no, I'm not feeling no. I was just thinking. I'm like, I was thinking about Noah Brown and how he played last year and thinking the similarity that he has with Dez. How sometimes you got them both confused. I know I did, like all the time. Yeah, that's

an interesting thought. I don't know, do you do you think there's any chance whatsoever that Noah Brown is ready to step in and be a much bigger contributor year. Here's the thing, and I get this from fans all the time when we talk about safety. You know, Jerry Jerry confirmed for us basically what we already knew, which is that they're going to give Byron a look at cornerback, and so you talk about, you know, that's a need you gotta fill this. You get the same thing with

wide receiver. And I get comments from people all the time it's like, well, you don't believe in Xavier Woods and Cavan Frasier, and you can say the same thing about Noah Browns, like why all this talk about replacing Dez when you got Noah Brown on the roster, why don't you give Xavier Woods a shot. And I don't mean that as a shot at any of those guys. I think they're all great players that could develop into you know, starting caliber players. But you can't. You can't

approach a season on that mindset. You can't bank on a seventh round pick becoming a starter. You gotta spend resources. I mean, that's just if you if you go into a season you know with you're like, well, if the best case scenario plays out, will be pretty good, you're probably gonna get Well, he's not even a guy that when you talk about wide receivers for the Cowboys that that name, that name doesn't really cross my mind right

talking about wide receivers. But then he did come into my mind break I might wait, he absolutely and could develop into a really good player. I think he's awesome.

He had a great training camp. The fact the matter is, if the Cowboys take a wide receiver earlier parts of the draft, as many expect they would, and let's say, for example, Des is still on this team, there's a scenario where maybe Noah isn't on this team, Like oh no, no, no, you don't think no, because you got that eighty three over there, that's just got it one more year before you can cut tides there, So how many would you carry on this team? I've got into that kind of situation.

I just think you can't make a decision. I mean, if Noah Brown is good and then you draft someone, I just think that they have the bad contract. Here was the one they did with Terrence. Everybody all saw that, and that that's what they got to have to figure out. They have to got one more year to kind of go through that where I think you can realistically cut him. But let's say that that he's gone. Let's say what des is gone, and maybe we'll see more out of Terrence.

But I don't know. I'm not I'm not expecting that. Also. Sorry, I'm just saying you got to remember, like these you draft someone, you gotta remember a couple of years ahead. And I don't know if if if Terrence Williams has another season like he had last year, I don't think

he would be back. If they keep Dez and draft a receiver, they're probably bringing Bryce Butler back, right, and so that would still just leave you with six, which is the same number you But at some point, don't you expect that that last guy on the roster at wide receiver is going to have to do more than just be the last guy on the roster right. Well that but I'm Noah Brown. I mean he blocked, he he played some special teams like he's not just like

a wasted use of a game. Jersey So started playing more. Yeah, I don't that doesn't bother me right now, All right, let's take Let's go ahead and get back to free agency. Before we do that, though, Nick had a message for all you loyal listeners out there. Well, I had a question for Dave too. You know, if you are a free agent, Yeah, would you rather be restricted or unrestricted? Unrestricted?

See that when it comes out underwear? So many more benefits of unrestrict right, you can you can go different different ways. How does that apply? So, Tommy John, no adjustment needed? Shop exclusive Cowboys Underwear at Tommy john dot com. Forward slash Cowboys. Where did Dave go? What's going on in the struggle bus over? I happened. I hit the lever on my chair and I didn't realize how far down it went? Are you standing? I wish? Just why do they stand up? My shoes got caught in the

chair too. It's a little. It was a debacle. I'm glad that was all on that. That was worse than than this joke that I had. So that's good at offset that. Glad that was all on camera forever. Yeah, well the camera wasn't on you, but as soon as we said it would right to you on an ice. Fine,

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I want to talk a Anthony Hitchins because he is the guy, if you look at this list that will probably generate the most interest in free agency this year across the NFL. Not that he's gonna be, like you know, priority one for a lot of teams, but he will be a guy that I think there will be some

teams that will express some interest. What are your thoughts on number one, how he played, and then number two, whether you think it's even possible that the Cowboys could bring him back understanding the cap ramifications of what they've already done and what they're expected to do over the next few weeks. I think he's a baller. I think he had his best season. He missed like the first month of the season because of the injury to his

knee in the preseason, still played like a total badass. Played, can play, Mike, can play, Will could play Sam if you needed him too, But why would you? Because he can do the other two. He might be the toughest player on the team. He gets hurt. I remember standing there in Oakland. He got hurt in the end zone right before the heath play. Never would have thought that he's gonna play the next week and he but he does. I mean he fights through it him. He's he's witting,

like on the defensive side. When it comes to that. People will always talk about him getting hurt. But he doesn't miss a lot of games. He really doesn't. He came back. Can't he tell you that too? What made I come into him? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you know, well? And then and then what happened. He missed the next four games, so maybe he shouldn't have been well. I mean, he broke up, he broke a bone in his knee, and yeah, he was backed by like October tenth or

whatever the Green Bay game was. I mean, he's not an all pro, but he's he's he's just he's really good. He's a glue guy, great locker room guy, not like you know, good team character guy. Um, he's that guy that it's like he got two phones and you're like talking to his agent here and then you're talking about Jaylen Smith's rehab over here, Like hold on, how are

we looking over here? Because if we're looking really good, and then he's gonna have a chance to really be much better than I I think it's just probably too much to try to pay him here because you kind of went for it with Jalen Smith, and I think we're gonna see where Jalen's going to be a good player. But I mean, and then the wild car obviously is Sean Lee and his health. But I think I think

you gotta go get it. And you might have said this last time we talk, get another hitchens, Yeah, draft another guy, And they tried with I was gonna say, that's not as easy as they tried with Damien Wilson. Wait, well, I think Barry Church is a great corollary for Hitchens. I think it's the same. You know, he's a glue guy, good character guy, very good starter for your team. Not probably not ever going to be a pro bowler. He's not gonna be in headlines about free agency. You know.

I read a free agency preview where like he wasn't even on the short list of linebacker, which I thought was kind of insulting. But I think, you know, I think a team would give him twenty to thirty millions. I mean, Barry got twenty six in Jacksonville. He wasn't even I think he was the fourth biggest signing they made last year. But he was obviously a key part of that defense that got them to the conference title game.

I see something similar for him, Like he's not going to break the bank, but it'll probably be more than the Cowboys gonna afford with the structure of everything else they have to do. But he might be one of those guys that it, like you said, if he's not in that first wave of stuff, he might be a guy that that now the Cowboys start and they call him back and say, all right, and it's been a week. Um, I love. I feel like I have to point this out.

I mean I spent all last spring just saying by the Terrence like, no way, no how, and sure enough they signed back. So anything's possible. But if I had to bet on it, I think he'll get a better offer from somebody else. And I actually talked to Stephen another example of thirty one is better than one, just in general, unless you're playing golf the field most part, thirty one teams yes, seem to thank you, right. And you look at the amount of money that's out there

in free agents. I mean that's there caps there. There's a team that has one hundred million dollars in cap space, So there are teams that have a plenty of money to spend Browns. I think it's Cleveland. Yeah, I think there's one hundred different but I think there's another one has like eighty nine. Like, there's teams that have a bi a month, gonna be good billion dollars in cap space. Yeah, there's a lot of room out there for teams. So

that's what makes it really hard for the Cowboys. Is that not Not only he's a good player, but there are a lot of teams with a lot of money that are trying to fill holes that will do it with free agency. We talked to Stephen about that in India, and I mean they need two linebackers because Wilbur and Hitchins are both free agents. Whether they bring them back, whether they sign another guy and draft another guy, I think linebackers another spot where it's a pretty good bet

they'll find a way to draft one. Do they talk at all about about Damien Wilson and kind of where he is at this point? Are they relying on him, do they want to do they want to see more opportunities for him. Do they feel like if they let Hitchens go he fills that role or is it just one of situations where they kind of like he is what he is, will roll out the contract, We'll finish

out the contract and that's it. I do not think his name came up, So do with that what you will, although depending on how things shake out, I think, you know, he's probably your primary candidate to play Sam or at least one of them, and then he can make a push if they want him too. But I don't think we really talked about it. Okay, I think nineteen could

be possible for you know, linebacker. Well, there's really only two in the first round, and that I guess one of him could fall if these quarterbacks jump up there with the two pens On Smith in Edmonds, but I don't Tremaine Edmunds is there Boys State, He's he's boys the state. It was six names is coming up there, Layton, Layton, vander Esh that's only three. Whatever he's climbing, he's climbing up the arguy will mess it up. He's claiming up

the prospect board. I don't know. He looks like Sean Lee Tomy like with watching him, watching him, No big guy, he's he's just good size. I heard him compared to Urlocker. I don't know if he's tall and like that. I don't know if I mean well, I didn't like the comparison. I haven't seen Layton and Van Durash returned punts like

Erlacker did in college. He was the point east. I resolved me and Brian both Dane Brugler convinced this that we need to watch him again because I didn't love him when I watched him, I was like, Okay, you're pretty good. I guess I don't know, but can I get your thoughts? I don't know where this is on your list, but since we're talking these guys, can I would just get your thoughts on Shaquine Griffin? What do

you need my thoughts for? Like, he put it all out there for everybody, right, But would you but would you draft him knowing that he could play in the NFL? Yes? Where would you draft him? Fourth round pick one sixteen? And where does he play for this team? I would he would be a special team's monster, and then you put him out there in certain situations like pass rush situations. I'd put him on the field in that um three down linemen whatever you know, money forty four or whatever.

Let him be just a designated pass rusher. Basically, he's fast as hell and he gets to the quarterback. He's unbelieved when when I when I think about him, and I think about, Okay, every play, here comes a guard that's pulling, and you know this, here's big sixty six for the Packers and he's got to shed this block. You think he could get get by that? I mean with what he's overcome in his life to be able to to to bench press twenty reps like that. I

mean like he's overcome this his whole life. So nothing that is put on in front of him in a football field's ever really going to to be something that he can't overcome, you know what I mean? To me, he seems like a winner, like he can he can figure it. I mean out I guarrant if they haven't already, well I don't. I don't know if they met with him at the combine. I have no idea if they're going to try to bring him here, but they will fall in love with his personality. He's that, he's well,

he's that in here. No, yeah, well I don't want I don't know who he met with or you know one the Jason wittne War Yeah he was right from Yeah, Um, he's he's got an infectious personality. He'd be an amazing locker room guy. You kind of lose me when you start talking about like the third round, because I want a starter. I want a full time starter in the third round. I don't I'm not willing to make that jump.

And so but we'll pick one sixteen have him be on all your special teams, be a great locker room guy, probably would be a captain at some point in his career, and then he can come in and do stuff like rush the passer and disrupt plays. Absolutely. The closest example that we've really seen the NFL is JPP. He lost his hand or part of his hand in that fireworks accident, and you listen to the people talk about his play

in New York. He's not the same player. He's still a good player, not the same player, And that's the only thing that makes me a little bit concerned. And again, you're right. What this kid has overcome suggests that he has the ability to overcome a lot more than the average person. I just don't know, because I've never played linebacker in the NFL. How valuable is that hand, Like, are there certain things that without that hand you're not gonna be able? You just can't. Not seen players play

with a club yet. And that's but again, that's equivalent. You're right. JPP was pick eleven and he's a franchise caliber pass rusher. That's I'm not drafting not equivalent. Hold on, real quick, it's not equivalent because when you play with that you wrap it up and now you're like, oh, this is weird since he was five, never done it before. And also here's another thing. Is it a twin or

just an older brother twin twin? Okay, so when you have a twin brother, especially one that that has more capabilities, he's been he's been battling his whole They even asked him after the forty what we were thinking. It was that faster than my brother. I mean, like, this guy's been doing this his whole life, so he understands. It's like Jim Abbott when he was pitching that guy, I understand, you know, knew how to put the glove here, and because that's just what you do, is what you do,

he knows how to do it. He'll he'll get more turnovers than Honestly, I think Jalen's case would have worried me more than him. Yeah, good point. I wouldn't, but I wouldn't draft him to play sixty defensive snaps a game. That's I'm I'm looking at him on day three. I've heard people say they'd draft him in the third round, and that seems early to me because I want a guy that's drafted in the third round to play every snap.

I don't think I would draft him to do that, but I think he could be a hell of an addition as a role player for any team. And I don't think I don't I think anybody's gonna be afraid of drafting him. I think everybody's gonna have an idea of what they could do with him. Since Nick took us there, give me a couple names of some other guys that did out to you at the Combine that you think are worthy of Cowboys fans keeping an eye on. So, I mean, good players did good things at the Combine

that also would be available to the Cowboys. Put me on the spot, Um, I think one way or another, I think a good receiver will be there for them somewhere, Like it's just too good of a receiver class, and Calvin Ridley, he didn't blow people away with his measurable help. Get Yeah, absolutely, I'm you know it'll be dicey, but I think he'll be in that range. And if he doesn't get to nineteen, then he could at least fall to a spot where you feel comfortable trading up for him.

If you would, You would you think he's good enough that you would give up picks in order to move up to get him. No, because there's so many other I mean, my guy DJ Moore, he's probably he moved himself into the first round conversation. He measured in way taller, the way taller than people thought he would with three inches tall, way faster. Um, can I change it? Can I change the question? Does is released? Yeah? You didn't really love what you got in free agency? I mean, okay,

you got Bryce and you got what it is. You got a guy from there. There's gotta be a body. There's gotta be a guy that I'm saying, but yeah, that's Bryce. We've all agreed. Another guy. You got a guy for you who I don't I can't think of one. I don't even know who's available. But you just got someone that's whatever. So now Ridley is that fifteen sixteen?

Still wouldn't do it, Still wouldn't trade on Okay, Okay, I mean that does a lot about what you think of Ridley, right, I just I mean Dane, he's he describes him as a great number. He'll be an awesome number two receiver in the NFL. He might be the best number two in the league. You trade up for that I'm not is there a number one? If he's a top rated receiver, then is there a number one receiver in this class? Now you can project now. I know that there will be people that we don't see today.

I'm just stealing words out of Dane's mouth. But like, Okay, Courtland Sutton is a guy that could develop into a one receiver. He's also probably the rawest of all of the make helping Cowboys right now right now, which the dudes that you're looking at are like ready made number twos who could come in here right away. I mean Dj Moore, Calvin Ridley, Michael Gallup is another one that

people like a lot um. What I love about Dj Moore that that I think fits this team so well is just the sheer number of quarterbacks he's had to play with and he's been productive with all of them. And when you're talking about a young quarterback that the Cowboys have, that just gives me a little more. That makes me think that he's the kind of receiver that's gonna get open present himself. Well, it's just quarterback will be able to make easy throws to get it to

him and then he'll make play. I'm at SMU quarterback that was in the in the league. No, he's not. That's what gets That's what gets me about Courtland Suttland, a Sutton, He's he's playing now. I'm just saying that just the number, the number that Dj Moore's had to play with and been productive with those guys like that, just to me, that blows my mind when you think about sheer number of quarterbacks. You don't have to sell me on Dj Moore. I just worry. I'm so but

I like him so much. I think he moved himself into the first round at the Combine and I absolutely would you, but I don't think the Cowboys would draft him at nineteen. So it almost feels futile to talk about. But do you think that this is a situation where the Cowboys would be if let's say he's moved himself in the first round but it's late first round, does that present an opportunity maybe where you drop back because you feel like eating a lot of guys we like.

If we got back to twenty three, we might still be able to trading down the board. Trading down the board would be my absolute ideal scenario because whether it's DJ Moore whether it's Will Hernandez, the guard from Utah, whether it's Isaiah Winnut he's huge, whether it's one of the tight ends. What there's a variety of guys that should be there between twenty and thirty two that I would feel just fine taking, especially if you can add another pick to that. The problem is who's who's so

desperate to get up? We're talking about how bad your options. That's where you hope those one of those quarterbacks is still sitting there and somebody wants to get up. Damn him, right, you hope? But I mean, you know I always won him. The Saints are a team that like love that people love to put Lamar Jackson. Maybe that's an option. Maybe they feel like he'll keep falling. I mean, how many teams between the Cowboys and the Saints need a quarterback?

The Bills come to mind, a lot of people think the Bills might trade up into the tens or whatever, like the Chiefs did last year. So it's I don't I've never been more clueless about what the first round in the draft looks like it's gonna be. Like I

think it's gonna be. Really I said this way back, you know, a few months ago that the biggest move of the offseason, the biggest decision is Deaz because that everything we're talking about is different whether or not he's on the team, right, absolutely, all right, we appreciate you join us back next week. These guys will take you through free agency. That I'll be the beginning of free agency. Lets you know what's going on there until then for

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