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from Oxnard, California, talking a little Cowboys football with you guys. Today. It is the Groundhog Day around here. Another day of practice this afternoon. Cowboys will take the fill around three thirty pm Pacific time. They have a walk through this morning that is not available to the public, But if you're in the Oxnard area and want to come out and check out a practice, you can come out this afternoon, Tomorrow afternoon or Sunday, which say is the day of

the Blue Light Scrimmage. That'll start up around three thirty Pacific as well. How's everybody feeling this morning? What did do baby? Good day for you day great always great? Good. I see you got your Mariners thing oh yeah, sorry, Yeah, feeling a little good about your team right now? No, they're terrible representing there you go. All right, let's talk a little Cowboys football. Nick, Let's start off first getting

with some injuries. They are only I don't know, it seems like there hasn't really been much in the way of injuries around here, but there are three that are are out there right now. Direct all your angry tweets to there. Yeah, because when it happens, yeah, it when it happens, it kind of pours, right. But you got Sean Lee with a spraying knee. Go Rico gathers with

an ankle injury, lancelin Or with a knee injury. Talk me through the severity of Sean Lee's injury, because when we talked about it initially, it was kind of like, oh, it's just a percasary thing. He's out for a day, it'll be fine, and he's missed several practices. Where are we, Yeah, where are we with that? And what's the severity of the injury? It still could be honestly that it's it's hard to read these things with Sean Lee because it's

you know, a few years ago. They it's part of their plan to rest him anyway, you know, and and rightfully so with his injury history. It was I think last year where they didn't let him put pads on until like we were about to leave California, or maybe even did they wait until we got back. It was he waited a long time before they finally let him go. So it's a it's a minor mcl sprain. I know. I saw a rapport yesterday that said it's more week

to week than day to day. Jason Garrett said, it's it's not something they're super concerned about, and it's probably a little bit of all of the above, like it's not a super big deal, but it's also Sean Lee who has an injury history, who's also thirty two years old, and they don't want to push him and make it worse. So I mean, yeah, do I feel like I have the right read on that, Nick? Just? I think so. I mean, they asked Jason about the surgery, It's like,

will this be surgery? And he said no, it won't be that. So just that right there just lets me know that, Okay, it's not severe, but it's also not like he'll be out tomorrow, you know, And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he's out for the foreseeable future, maybe even until we get back from San Francisco. Will practice first Sean Lee or Byron Jones. Oh, it's good. I'm gonna say it that. I mean, no, I'm gonna

say that kind I'm gonna say Sean. But for exactly the reasons that he said, Like it's almost like they almost look for reasons to like, yeah, I mean he's he could not practice for the rest of the time we're in California, and I wouldn't, you know, I just be like, Okay, Like they just don't want him to get hurt. Probably. Yeah. So yeah, that's kind of my read on it. This uh, Lance Lnoor another guy that's injured right now, And the first thing I thought about,

and I know guy can't control injuries. Um, and so it's I feel a little weird when we talk about it from this standpoint, but I think it's something that needs to be said, is, um, this is a guy right now that's fighting for his spot. I mean, you got these young guys like John Vay Johnson and Jalen Guiden and Reggie Davis are out here and performing pretty well, those are the kind of guys that he has to be particularly concerned with when trying to make this team.

How much does that hurt him and set him back by having to miss with injury a lot? Because you know, if I had to rank all the players on this on the receiving corps and their chances of making the fifty three man roster, he would be last. Wow without the injury. Yeah yeah, I mean, and that it's worse for him because he's been here, so he has He's had time to show you a great point, and that is probably why he's last. It's not like he's the worst of the receivers. Maybe he has, maybe he isn't.

But I'm just saying his chances. He's already been here, he's done all this, he's got he can't really be on the practice squad anymore. He's got to be on the team, and I just don't see him his chances to make the team were worse than any other receiver. Am I missing a guy? I mean, I think Reggie Davis is playing better than a lot of them. Davis is having a fantastic so far. He's jumped himself up into the I mean, you just watch the one on one just the orders of one on one. He's like fourth.

That doesn't mean he's the fourth best. I just know that that's what he's doing. And you know, I think, uh, Devin Smith comes to mind. I mean, you know, Lance Lance can do a little bit more. He's got a special team's role. Devin Smith is a little more one dimensional. But I mean we're splitting hairs. I definitely think, yeah, Lance Lenora is he's down there and if you can't practice, that's definitely not good for him. But Devin Smith better

chance to make. And I said fifty three men roster, I should mean staying around because I don't think I think Devin Smith could make the practice squad. I don't think Lance Lenor will be on the practice squad. Okay, yeah, that's what I should have said. Yes, that hurt. I don't even know how long he's supposed to be out near do I I mean the way Jason Garrett build

all of these they don't strike me as particular. Literally, you know, long term found out about his injury like six minutes ago when you mentioned it, I really didn't even know it was And you know, honestly, that was the when I when I noticed that he was on the injury report, my thought was, you know, I really haven't noticed him out here, which is not a good thing. When you look at all these other young guys that you are noticing that aren't making plays, you have to say,

who's that number? Who's that again? And like his number is not the guy that's popping off the you know, off the screen if you're watching it as a guy, that's you know, that's that's performance. Last year. Last year he really was making a two years in a row. Really yeah, which is why I mean, Reggie Davis is off to an amazing start, but lance L Noor was off to an amazing start at one point too, So see it every year. Let's move on to a little bit of blanket coverage. I have a few statements here

that I'm gonna throw at you guys. You guys, fill in the blanks. The first statement, based on what we've seen and heard fullback Jamazela Wally may have an increased role in the offense. I blank that idea, Dave. I love that idea, probably because I wrote that story kind

of a feeling you were gonna go that way. But you know, well, I mean just if you're gonna have the guy on the team do something with him and I I you know, if you've watched OTA's and mini camp and out here, like it's very obvious that Kellamore likes twenty one personnel, two backs and at a tight end. Jamaz Alwali has spent a lot of time on the field. They've thrown it to him a lot, well more more so at OTAs than out here, but he has been active.

And I even I asked him. I was like, you're doing a lot more and he was like, yeah, you know, they kind of That was something we talked about when I resigned, is you know, having a bigger role, and that sounded exciting and blah blah blah blah blah. So I asked Jason Garrett about it and he was He's like, well, we've we've always had a fullback. Like, I know, you don't you don't do anything with him. I went and looked. He played one hundred and fourteen snaps last year. Really,

I mean he he seven percent of the snaps. I know, you know, he dropped a touchdown in Atlanta, but really didn't do a whole lot. So if they're actually gonna keep a fullback and do something with him, especially in an athletic guy like Jamay's. Let's go sure Amber I blank that. I yeah, I support it, I guess. I mean, right now, I feel like they have never really given you a taste of what he could be like. For me, I don't I don't know if I'm gonna like it

or not. But with them not using it, I would assume it's better for them to start utilizing the fullback position more because clearly what they've done on the offense so far in previous year hasn't necessarily been all that productive when it comes to that position specifically, So why not let's try it, mix it up, utilize him, see how you can utilize other players, and see where that takes you. One of the things Dave pointed out in his article I thought was interesting was that twenty sixteen

he had a seventy five yard touchdown. So the guy's got something. I mean, he's got some ability from the standpoint of being able to make some plays, make a big play. He's done it at least that time. Right either way, the point is seventy five yards in the NFL, that ain't like that's not just something anybody can do

it in America. The game was in Mexico City, Okay, okay, right, But I think that I think that doesn't when you think about a fullback, you don't think about a fullback going seventy five yards on a touchdown right now, So I think that that shows maybe there's a little bit more than him than your typical fullback. But I'm gonna just speak for everybody that's pissed off right now, listen, and it's they're just remembering the fact that he clapped at the ball before it came to him in Indianapolis,

and that's the that's the thing. I mean, that was one of the worst looking plays you've seen up the touchdown in indian not Atlanta. Sorry, it was easily to Atlanta, no earlier. I mean that one was that was was really bad. And so this I think he's got more skills than he showed there, I would imagine, But I hope so, yeah, you'd hope so, But yeah, I mean, I keep hearing that he would be a guy that they would put put in there for short yard situations

if they needed to. I'd go with Zeke if he's there. They gave him five million dollars. I mean, for it's a three year deal, not like five million lump sum, but still like it's a sizeable contract for And again, like if I was building a team, I probably wouldn't put a fullback on it, but I know they're going to. So if he's gonna be here, use him, and like they never have. You know, Keith Smith was a great story, but they never used him either. So yeah, if he's

gonna be here, do something with him. The promising thing is that we're seeing Kellen Moore doing different things on the offense and moving guys and placing them in different positions and all over the things. So I think that they will incorporate him more. I mean, that's just another element to add to your offense. I think somebody told me that all the people that weigh to twenty and more, he's the fastest on the team, you know, of all

those guys. I mean maybe not Zeke, but those guys, I mean none of the sailing, Yeah, but but he is a he's really fast for his size. Yeah, that's what helps him on special teams. I know, Keith Quinn loves him. All special teams. The year the year he had the seventy five yard touchdown. I think he caught fourteen passes for the Raiders, which like that. You know, yes, I'll take fourteen to twenty times manageable. It's that, MANI sense moose. Probably Anderson true. Don't call him a fullback, no,

but he played fullback play. He was on the roster fullback he was when Bill used the heck out him. Yeah, he's the best running back on that team, right, probably Okaya backup quarterback? All right, Oh wow, we're gonna get that conversation. Okay, blanket coverage statement number two. There's been some talk about turnovers, particularly I nt thrown by Dak in practice. If you had to use one word to describe Dak's throws throughout training camp, it would be nick

blank one word. Um good, right, I mean, yeah, he has interceptions, but he's got some touchdowns as well, and to his defense, not all of them were his fall right. So absolutely, And that's why I wanted to get to those questions because I was actually being posed this by somebody on Twitter, and they were saying, man, we keep hearing about this, is this something be concerned about? And so I wanted to get your opinions. Is this something

to be concerned about. It doesn't seem like it to me, but I want to get your no. Now, he's been you know, three years is enough to kind of get a good read on certain aspects of his game. He's not been a guy that's thrown many interceptions at all. It takes care of the football, and you know, this is the time where you're working some things out. Like Amber said, one of those was, you know Randall Cobb. I think playing volleyball with him, so, you know, and

setting it up in the air like that. I mean, not all his fault, but you know there's been some that you know he'd like to have back. But again, that's what they're doing. They're learning the offense, learning the reads and stuff. I think when you get to the games, I don't think it'll be an issue. Amber. I'm not concerned at all. I think I've seen more good things from him so far than bad. So I really really like his progress. It is noticeable his precision has gotten better,

him moving around, you know, just feeling more comfortable. You can tell that he's going back to regaining that confidence that we saw from him earlier on when he first got here. You know, I think he lost that last year, but then now I feel that he's taking over this team again and feeling confident and comfortable in all of the above. David. One word Dack's throwing during camp is blank, inconsistent.

I'll be the bad guy. It's fine. I mean, anybody that knows me knows that I'm I'm firmly pro Dak and I'm in favor of giving him a new contract. But he's he could be sharper, and he looked sharper and OTAs than he's looked so far. It doesn't it doesn't concern me. I saw a Todd Archer tweeted this morning. He's completed thirty six of fifty one in eleven on eleven and seven on seven. That's seventy percent. So he's fine. Not a bad percentage, but it's it's it's a fantastic percentage.

And by and large he's been good out here, he really has. But you know, it's it sounds like a Skip Bayless hot take. But if you're gonna give him thirty something million, like, there's some throws out here that concern me. None more so than yesterday during compete period, which is one on one linebacker and a running back. Tony Pollard had Jalen Smith beaten by five yards. I'm

not exaggerating. It was he destroyed him, destroyed him and Dak missed the throw and like that, come on that you can't especially against air against That's my point is, it's not it's not a real game. It's not you don't have DeMarcus Lawrence coming down on you. You just got him make an accurate throw. A good is a good percentage. It's a great percentage in the NFL for games, but without a pass for our fuck you just said. I think it needs to be a little bit higher

than that. You know, you always talk about or we always see these guys that go to UM their workouts, their pro days and stuff, and they one hundred percent you know, on air, So seventy percent on seven on seven. You do have some defensive backs batting the ball down, but it should be probably higher than that. I don't think he's been bad by any stretch, but his throws have been a little inconsistent, and you know, like at OTAs, I legitimately was like, wow, okay, Dak's let's go and

out here. I haven't seen that. Do you think maybe some of that at least two of his targets. I would, I would look at it. You know, you got Tony Pollard and you got Randall Cobb. That are new people to him, so they're kind of working out timing. I mean, he's trying to figure out how fast Tony Pollard really is, because you get out there like that when he's got a five yard league, like you say, you're trying to see just how fast is he? Like, I don't want

to underthrow him, right, he's got five yard league. Let me put it out there and you throw it and you're like, oh, yeah, that was He's probably that that fast, Like nobody's that fast. But but that's what you got to figure out out here. Then on the practice field, you don't necessarily want to You want to be ready for the game so you don't have to make that decision in the game. And Cobb has had a couple of drops. You know, we said Dak's first pick the

other day was went right through Randall Cobb's hands. So yeah, and it's not concerning. But you know, like we always ranked the best players of training camp, Dak is not playing like one of a handful of best players at

camp right now, in my opinion, have more questions. It's interesting to hear that perspective because when I started talking about Dak and I'm like, oh, he looks great to me, you know, And I think, probably not fair to judge it based on on this, but I feel that the way I see it, I'm so used to him not

being good. I've practice from previous years, you know, not seeing him do well, that now that I'm seeing him do some good things out here, it makes me feel like, oh, wow, okay, he looks way better and hopefully that makes him look even better when the lights come on in a real game, and that's totally You're absolutely right, he does play better in games. It's a classic argument that I have with Nick all the time. I great on a curve when you're a fourth round pick and you know you're young,

that's awesome. But if we're talking about paying this guy thirty two million dollars, then the standard starts to go up. And that's which which is kind of what we saw yesterday. I mean, you were talking about Taco like he really hasn't been that bad, and you're like, he's a first round pick. Like you've already lowered his expectations. So low hasn't been the word you use. He hasn't been in him barrass Smith, He I have a point about Tony Pollard. I don't know if we're gonna get to that later

on or I mentioned it now. Okay, So yesterday and the compete, they split him out wide one on one with with Jalen Smith. He goes way out there, uh, and he just runs right by him. And of course, like Dave said, you know Deck missed the play. That that sounds great that Tony Pollard was out there and the linebacker. But this the key for him is he's gonna have to run the ball right up the middle

on on someplace. They have to give him the ball in between the tackles, because if they don't do that, and they call him a gadget player, you'll never get the middle linebacker out there. So that's why Kamara does it, you know, and Kamara is pretty good, but you have to show that when Pollard's in the game, you have to be honest with how they they line up on defense.

So therefore he will have to run occasionally just to get the kind of mismatches they want all that tree with Here's because I'm skin I don't I don't know that that necessarily dictates will they'll get that out there or not, because what will happen a lot of instances is you catch the defense in man coverage. They're not necessarily gonna just flip from man coverage to his own coverage.

If you catch him in man coverage, you catch him man because if you notice in that play Tony lined up in the backfield motioned out why pass where the receivers would have been, And if you're in manage coverage and you catch him in man coverage, that's an opportunity to exploit a mismatch, right, So so I don't know that I don't know that you don't get that if he if he's running, not running between the tackles, I just think that you're right, it probably helps if he's

if he's doing a lot more because you can't really you can't identify what he's gonna do every time he's in the game, right, And that's part of it. And also when he comes in the game, you know, like he won't be in there, Zeke's in there. He comes in and all of a sudden you can miss, you can change your personnel if you want to. They've got to show that that that can be a run as well.

So if they want to go to nickel or dime packages, because they got him in there, he just every now and again, he's gonna have to prove for whatever the reason that and that'll help his play accident too, that he's he can run it up in there too. It won't be the same as Zeke or he can run and it will be about down in distance too. That's how you get Jordan Lewis when the Cowboys played the Saints.

You get Jordan Lewis being out there a lot more, or at least some I'd say, I would say a lot more, but some whenever they were in certain down and distance, because he was gonna be the guy that was gonna make sure if Kamar came out of the backfield he could cover. He's a jet sweep guy, right Tony. Yeah, absolutely, they better use him like that. I would think he's way too fast not to be. Yeah, and that's the

one thing we've seen out here. I love the way he runs, particularly when he's running between the tackle off tackle. I love the fact that he is a very decisive runner. He finds where he wants to go, and before you know what, he's upfield. He is not one of those I'm gonna try to jook you guys. He like, find this hole and he gets up field and he doesn't. It looks really effortless, but he's moving. He's moving really fast. I love that about him. Let's say our first break

when we come back. I want to get some questions. I put out a tweet last night and ask for some questions, and we got an overwhelming response, a ton of questions from you guys. So we're gonna go through some of those questions. We'll also hit a few observations before we get into questions from these guys on maybe some things they saw yesterday of practice that we're interesting. Will do that when we come right back. This Dallas

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to the break. So sorry, we got a hundred things going on out here at training camp, so but let's

jump back in. We do have a lot to talk about before we get to questions, which I appreciate all you guys sending us so many great questions last night and this morning, We're gonna get to some of those here in just a moment, but before we do that, I want this guy, these guys to talk a little bit about practice yesterday, some observations that maybe they saw during the time the Cowboys were on the field yesterday afternoon, some things that maybe stood out to them. We'll start

first with Amber. What did you see yesterday? Amber? Well, I was excited yesterday because finally the energy level went up a little bit. I think the previous two padded practice, the energy wasn't necessarily there, at least to me, and yesterday they seemed moving like the energy was there. That we're moving faster, doing more things around. One of the things I noticed, speaking of the running back position, Darius Jackson. He's a guy that doesn't necessarily excite me because of

the things that we've seen in the past. You know, we haven't seen not that he's going that many opportunities before, but I don't feel that he has taken advantage of those or capitalized on them. But now I think that he's definitely making some progress. He caught my eyes yesterday and he's able to move in there penetrate. I love using that work, not really but Oh my god, this football turns football football is like dirty okay, yeah, okay,

thank you. So he's able to get in there and and move fast, cut fast, and I like the power and the burst that he has right now, and it's exciting to see that from a guy that you know, hopefully, I don't know, we'll see what happens there at the running back position. But he's a guy that stood out to me yesterday and the things that he was doing.

Um my guy, Jalen jokes. I thought I had a couple of nice plays in the and the one on one that's one thing I was I was kind of looking at there um and also him and Dorians Armstrong, both those guys that I can see they're actually looks like they're putting them in the situations where they're going up against better competition. I saw Dorn's going up against Tyron Smith wasn't terrible. It was pretty Oh did you not see the one play beat him? Yeah? He put

him in the spin cycle? Yeah no, yeah that not just did he not? He he destroyed tyme embarrassed from the standpoint of like just is quick from this no, because he came back next Yeah, exactly. But Hey, if you're that guy and you're going up against Tyron and you win once, that's a victory. Like that is a big victory. And Tyron Smith holds himself to such a high standard. I bet he was pissed. Yeah, maybe even embarrassed.

Think about it, as a defensive end, if you average one sack of game, you're gonna probably lead the NFL, be close to it. So that would have been his sack that game. Like, that's that's big, that's huge. That was big. But you could just tell that they're starting to get those defensive ends and Jokes is in that group too, I believe, maybe not as high as Durrance, but they're starting to get those guys in there a

little bit more reps. And so it started out offensive line was really dominating that and I think the defensive line is catching up a little bit and starting to be more competitive in those drills. Dave, I'm just gonna sit over here and drive the Jordan Lewis hype train. My man Jay lou ate his wheaties. Yesterday. He's killing people out there. He beat up He beat everybody in one on ones. He had three pass breakups. Yeah, Cedric

Wilson had a completion on him down the field. Cool story, bro, you did six moves, you did come, you did a hitch, then you went out, then you went up, then you went out, then you went up, and you finally caught the ball on Jay Lou after seven seconds, which would never happen, So you can have that. He was. He's awesome. I you know, he's the best. Somebody I think it was Kavanaugh tweeted, he's the best fourth cornerback in the NFL. Like it's crazy, he's he's balling out here. I was

excited for him. Yeah, that was a great catch by uh, it was, It really was. It was. Yeah. Yeah, I know that there's so much fun to watch, but it's so biased against the dB, which is two three horn, like below the horn, they'd throw it. Yeah, but that's also why the guy that I'll point out, Wow, I'm so impressed with him yesterday, which is Mike Jackson. He had an interception, very very nice interception. But then there were other parts during team we had some pass breakups.

I mean, he was he was balling yesterday. Actually throw it out there. Anthony Brown really played really he had a great Yeah, and actually Anthony Brown. It's really been the last two days. I thought that he's had really good, really a performance out of here to say, if we're talking about cornerbacks, I think that probably the most surprising of all was the fact that Chris Westrey back came back.

We had talked about, you know this, we didn't know what the situation was, and it really looked like he was gone. Looked like he backed his bags and left, and maybe he did for a little bit, which wouldn't be the first time comes back. He's got some things in order. He had a good practice actually, and maybe it was because we thought he wasn't gonna play again, but he came back and actually showed those long arms. He's got his six four. They did a pretty nice

job out there. So I think that was his best practice since you know that we've seen from him. Maybe we were just watching him more because we're like, oh, he's back, but he did pretty good. Yeah, when we talked yesterday about you know, which position has been the better position, and we kind of I think we all kind of agree, Well, it's definitely the offensive line. I don't know. Defensive backs. I think they're having a really

really solid camp. And that's the thing. You got to put it in context because defensive backs, they're not gonna win every time, but you gotta win sometime, and they are finding their fair share of wins against this receiver group with two things going against them. Number one, they're best players not with them, and two, these drills are designed for the offense to make plays and make them look bad, and they're not. So that's really good. All right,

Let's get into some questions again. Really appreciate you guys giving us some good stuff to go through here. Amber's gonna read some of these questions. We're gonna get through a lot of them today, a lot of different topics. So let's get going what you got, don't start rambling, don't talk too much if we're gonna get them a lot. Okay, it's fair, all right. With everything going on with Zeke, well, this offense focus more on Dak's mobility and a return

of Nick's favorite thing. Oh man, once a game, I think they should do it. Um, you know, I think that that's a hard question to answer right now, because, yeah, the Zeke's not here and they're gonna do things differently without him. If they have to play without him, which I thought was interesting with some of the things that Jerry said. Um, I guess it didn't make the first two segments of our show. But um I do think that they're preparing some things to do without him. It'll

be it'll be different. I don't know about just running Dak all the time. Once they gave him thirty million a year or whatever they're gonna I don't see them running him a lot. They should, though, but they don't run him a lot. They haven't run him a lot in my opinion for the first three years. I think he runs at opportune times, which I'm okay with they should. I think you should run more like But I also what I wonder, though, I wonder if it's diminishing returns.

I think if you, I wonder if you run him more, are you going to get less of the big plays? Because what I love about Dak right now is he can go a whole game and not run it, and then you get to the fourth quarter and it's you gotta have it right now, And like the Seattle game, he has this huge run that wins the ball game for you. So he's not the fastest, you know, he's

not the guy that's gonna make everybody miss. So I don't know how much I want him running, but I want him to be opportune when there are opportunities that make sense run him well. I think a little bit more than that. I've always compared it to to Cam Newton and how that is a big part of their offense where he will run. But remember, right now, we think Dak's this big, strong young guy that can take this these hits, and I believe Cam did it as well.

But over time it definitely it does. But I think there's you look at the Jacksonville game. They're an aggressive defense, and that was the design for him to run. I think he ran eleven times having a touchdown. I mean he can be a difference maker there and that will only open things up. That's also about the game plan. You play that kind of defense and maybe you do it. You play another defense that doesn't do that, and maybe you decide, hey, this is a week we want dat

We want Dac to stay back in the pock. We don't necessarily want to run him a lot. We may find an opportune moment to run him, but it's not going to be an every week thing like against everything. Jason Garrett tries to preach to us, we do what we do well, if you do what you do, then you know, put your guys in position, I mean understanding you. Hope.

I hope. I hope they let the new offensivecording to decide do what you're gonna do, because doing what you do hasn't gotten you pass where you've been, so at some point you gotta realize you gotta do something a little different. I would think it's Darren Smith really die good or has Robert Quinn lost a step a little bit of both probably. I mean, like you know, we had a whole argument and about it in the spring. Derek thinks Robert Quinn is better than DeMarcus Lawrence and

I don't, um, yeah, I couldn't resist that. Yeah, I mean because you know, now that's the yeah, that's out there, that's that's not but that is not what I said. It doesn't matter. It's been it's been six years since Robert Quinn was the nineteen sack guy. It's been a while, so you know, he's he's not Marcus hasn't gotten to nineteenth cent. True, he's not what he was, Okay, but a lot of guys have looked bad at the hands

of Tyrn Smith exactly. I'm not, Yeah, I don't. I don't think rather than Darrence is now though killer one time so far, he's the Tyrn killer. I know. I Tyron Smith is that good? If I had to answer it scinctly, I would say that, you know, like what we would say Olivier Vernon had had a couple of good plays against them in that Dolphins game a few years ago. It's like, oh, he can handle uh Tyron. I mean Tyrn probably one ninety seven percent of those battles.

That's the point you're saying. But to my point, Quinn has done a couple of those as well. So Quinn, you know, and they're not gonna be all like Tyrn Smith. So he could make three to four five impact plays like that a game, with all and with all due respect to Robert Quinn, Like you know, it's a big name, but I wouldn't go into this season expecting him to be that that guy from twenty fourteen. You know, give me a number. What do you think as far as

sacks realistic for for Robert Quinn this year? Realistic and great? Anywhere between six and nine Okay, Like that's about where I'm yeah, And I mean if he hits double digits, then I'll see y'all in Miami for the super Bowl probably and assuming that tank's gonna be somewhere in that ten to twelve range, yeah, well yeah, if they both get to double digits, we're cooking with gas, that would be pretty fantastic. And then throwing six for Drance Damn

from the leak, I'm gonna have seventy. It's gonna be better than the twenty fifteen Broncos taco to get quiet, like because you stopped laughing, all right? Beside the Super Bowl? How should people measure Kellen Moore's first year as an OC? How are oh, sorry, go ahead? Do better in the

red zone? You know, that's where it gets tough. That's where things you can kind of do all these other things, um, you know, with the offensive line and your speed or receiver and all that, but it gets down in the red zone. That's where you really got to be able to scheme some things and figure out ways to beat that defense. And if he can do that, I think that that's one good thing of like, hey, you know what their red zone efficiency is much better this year.

You know, that's that's one. I mean, if you're not saying like big picture or super Bowl type stuff, if you can get better in the red zone. I don't want to oversimplify, but it really feels like you'd fix most of this team's ales if you would. I mean, yeah, I was gonna say, flirt with thirty points a game. I don't even need you to hit it, but twenty seven eight with this flirt with thirty points a game, if you can reliably get to twenty seven or twenty eight,

you should win a lot of games. And that twenty two they scored twenty two points per game. That's butt in the NFL. That's so bad. You just get it five or six points better. And all you have to do to hit that goal, I think is be better in the red zone. Yeah. Well, Blake jar the number one at tight end at any point during the season, not unless Jason Witten gets hurt, which he never has before, at least not enough to take him out of the lineup. I'm gonna go out on limits say yes, I just

gotta feel in that he's been looking good. He has looked really good. I think he's I think he's pretty athletic for a tight end, and personally my own personal believe just of what I've seen so far, I think he's the best tight end you got right now. That's just my opinion. Now, again, some of this, some of this we're not seeing and we won't see until we get into games with regards to how well he's blocking

and that kind of stuff. But I don't think that at the point when Jason left the game, I don't think he was as good a blocker as he once was. So I don't I'm not certain that he's gonna be when it's all setting down, I'm not sure he's going to be your best option at tight end. I actually thinks Blake's becoming your best tight end on this team, and so I think at some point this year we may see a little bit of the changing of the guard. I still believe Jason Witten's gonna be your starter every

game at tight end. I just think there could be game that we start to see where Blake's going to be more involved and he's gonna get more opportunities, maybe than Jason. I gotta watch it. I gotta watch it happen with my own eyes and I want to see him stop beating defensive backs and say in linebackers. I mean it slowed down a lot in the last you know, a couple of years, but he still gets open. He could still get open and still make some plays. He may went out here yesterday. No, no, there was an

outroute they complete. Witness there was there was an outroute that they did complete. It was about ten fifteen years yards down the field. He didn't have much separation, but the ball was right on the money. He caught it and it was on the other side of the field. Wasn't there one on one play where he definitely beat the guy, but wasn't there Yeah, Jalen. Jalen punked him

in two minute drill though. It was pretty badass, like he did his classic ate and turnaround and tried to box Jalen out and Jan was just kind of reached over his shoulder like going, no, you're not catching that yet. He's so good. They got some big coverage linebacker. I don't think he swiped because it was only second down,

but maybe after they got him off the field. But that's also why I was so pleasantly surprised when the same when he was up against Pollar and Polo just ran right past because don't forget, Jalen can run like for a linebacker, Jalen can run, and Polo just opened up on him like I mean like he took off down the field and it was just like he just separated. But think about all the middle linebackers in the NFL,

and they all were run. He's number one, don't you think, Jalen? Yeah, probably, Yeah, that's got Yeah, those Atlanta linebackers are pretty fare right. But that's kind of to my point from earlier. If if Kellen Moore's schemes can get Tony Pollard out here and the linebacker goes with them, that's that's that's a problem, and that won't happen very often. And what will happen is is there'll be some changes. Safety will come out, corner will come out, but that will change what they're

trying to do. But what you also have to remember is, Okay, let's assume a safety or corner goes out. What happens with the other responsibility that's safety or corner had before? What did he have a mark? Even that Cooper? Okay, we're saying, all right, good, perfect, They can't help themselves. All right, go ahead, watch watch this? Yeah, go all right, thank you. Um, do you guys expect to see a major trade happening before the season starts? No? No No, no,

keep going. That's our game now. Okay, we've talked about a woozy in the past. Um, has he met the expectations? Has? And it is his arrow still heading north? How is he looking so far? No? See, yes, it's pretty good. No, he hasn't met expectations. Yes, his arrow's going up and he's looking pretty good. What's the expectation? I mean, make the Pro Bowl? I mean, I don't know. You're a high second round pick. Second round picks are tricky with

the expectations. He said he's not a high second round pick. Her he was late second round pick. That's right. And I think his first year was not It was okay, and then he came in at the end. He right where I think is a reasonable expectation. I mean, he's an every game starter, you know. I'm he'd be great if he could get picks in a stadium other than MetLife in a week other than seventeen. But I mean, yeah, he looks good out here. I mean he hasn't he

hasn't looked bad, he hasn't been outstanding. He button solid. I don't know. I kind of agree with you say, I don't think. I don't think he does by any means, been under expectations for me. Like, I think he's right where I would expect him to be. He's point based on where he was drafted, and I've been a solid player for him. It would be dope if he could get better. But like, yeah, he's pretty He's about what

I expected him to be. I guess how much in Kellen Moore's movement based offense helped prepare the defense for teams like the Rams. Good question, it's a good question. You would hope a lot. Yeah, And you're seeing it a lot out here, like you really are. Just every play Mary Cooper was talking about how much he likes lining up in all the different spots. Him and Cobb have both been moving in and out of the formation. You see a lot of play action and real action

in the backfield. So yeah, I mean they looked pretty lost against the Rams in that playoff game, So if they're seeing this stuff on a regular basis, I would have to imagine it would help. Yeah, hopefully, and hopefully just the experience. Again, this is the very young team, the experience of going through that Rams game. Hopefully they learned a lot about what they will be expecting when they face teams like that because some of them and maybe the first time they've ever seen that in the NFL.

That's why it's so important to get That's why they drafted Tristan Hill. You know, Antoine Woods has got to be strong there in the middle because the linebackers can get all this, they can get the side to side, they'll be fine with the speed, but as soon as you start cheating that way, you gotta be able to not be gashed right up the middle. And I thought that's what the Rams did and even the Colts. But if the defensive tackles are better, stronger upfront, it's gonna

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got practice at three thirty. So wish we'd been having that Jaalen debate about five minutes later, so we could have asked as Layton Vanner and asked Layton about it while he runs through. It seemed like he was in real chatty mode. No, you're right, that's Garrett's like one minute guys, one minute. That would have been interesting to say, hey, day, we need you for a second. Yeah, fifty five? Good over here. All right, let's get back to some questions.

What do we have amber? All right? Is there any position that you feel we'll have a drop off from last year once the season gets started. I can probably think of a few. All right, kicker jumps out to me. Is that a drop off or is it about the same. I don't know. He might not make the team. It might be, it could be worse. I mean, as dicey as it guy. At the end of the year. Brett Maher also made like sixteen in a row from weeks two to six or something like that. He made some

big kicks. That's that was the part that that frustrated me about three game winners in the same season. I think he would hit some big kicks and I'm talking like distance, some big kicks, and then he missed once that were just kind of like, what what what it's been playing out right here? He'll bang it in from He banged in a forty five yard or to win the two minute periods it and he hit a forty eight yard or during special teams drills, and then from

thirty five not so much. And we're gonna care about what he did that you can care about you hitting her? Sorry, I gave you a polite shove. He missed from thirty five yesterday. That's terrifying to me. How about starting running back? And I'm still not a believer that that's gonna be it? Zekei boy, he's not missing miss that money yesterday? Have less yards? Nick? When has Jerry not going a deal done right? That's not what I said, And that's true.

That was an interesting statement. But I'm saying he won't have this many yards. Here's where Here's why I'll maybe we'll agree with that is you know I've already said on the show. I'm a big believer that when running backs miss training camp, good things don't happen. So maybe maybe that's what happens. He's just not as good as he would have been if he'd have been out here conditioning the whole time with his team, even if he doesn't play preseason, just the conditioning of working through with

his team, Like, maybe maybe that's the difference. I got a good one for you, and I'm not trying to hate. I'm trying to think outside the box here but linebacker. And the reason that I say that is because they're twenty three and twenty four respectively. They were fantastic last season. They're super athletic. But I always say this is like people expect it to be like Madden, where like every offseason you gain a few attribute points. Players aren't necessarily

like that. Sometimes they plateau, sometimes they did. Sometimes injuries set in. So I think Jalen and Layton will be fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had some growing pains, both of them because Jalen is still a young, developing player and Layton's only in his second season. I wouldn't be surprised if Byron Jones doesn't make the Pro Bowl. Yeah, so I could see him having a setbacks. As I mean with the linebackers, though, I would be kind of

surprised if Jalen wasn't as good, if not better. I would not be surprised with late because you see a lot of times with guys. Yeah, second year is kind of when they have that him Jalen would be. Yeah, he Jalen's past that I think Jaylen's right now. I expect Jalen started hitting his real stride as a as the best of what he's gonna be. Third, fourth years where you start to see that, and so I actually expect that Jalen's gonna have a phenomenal year. I could see.

I wouldn't be shocked if laden it's a little bit down, not a lot, but a little bit down, just because sometimes that happens. You see guys in the second year kind of have a little dip. But yeah, overall, I think they're still gonna be pretty freaking good. I'm not worried about it, but yeah, I mean we've seen that play out before with young players. Yeah, we've talked about the secondary and making some plays out here. Are you expecting them to get better? I'll turnovers this year? Please.

We had this conversation seems like every training camp, because every training camp the team is coming off a year where nobody could get the ball. Yeah, they do not, They just don't do it. You know, it's gonna help that this year, even in fourteen when they had thirty two takeaways like their leader was had four, you know or sorry, what's gonna help the pass rusher? I think Xavier Wood is gonna help. I think he's gonna I

really believe he's gonna have great years here. I think he's gonna he's gonna change what we've been saying about the safety position forever, like since we since back in the you know, early two thousands when Woody was still kind of doing this thing here. I think this year he's gonna make some game changing place for this defense. And I think they're gonna finally get that guy on their back in who can actually get the ball and turn it over and get it back for the offense

or score. I think Robert Quinn will be the guy that makes the difference with turnovers. I think he'll provide more pass rush from the other side, and I think that will lead to Xavier Woods and those guys making those plays. I'm a firm believer that pass rush is more important to that than coverage. No offense against those guys, but it just helps so much, so I hope that's true.

Xavier Woods and Leyton vander Esch tied for the team lead with two last year, and I mean it's been six years I think since somebody had more than three picks in a season, and I think when that happened, it was Sean Lee in twenty thirteen. So oh what I would give for a Cowboys dB to just ball hawk it and have like seven or eight or nine picks in a year. But isn't that kind of the indictment on the secondary for the last who knows how

many years? Because yes, there have been years when they've had a really good pass rush and they've been able to get to the quarterback, and for whatever reason, they still aren't getting interceptions. So even with that being said, I agree with you. I think it starts up front, but for whatever reason, they're still not getting their hands on the ball and turn it over. Xavier Woods seems to have the instincts to maybe change that. Credit to

Jeff Heath, the one. The best thing you can say about him is that he just knows how to be around the ball. So he had to pick earlier this. Yeah, it was vintage Jeff Heath. It was just being in the right place at the right time and making the play. You gotta make it once it's presented to you too. I'm checking where Garrett is because this is a Grett question. I don't worry about donor about he loves What would

it take for Garrett to come back next year? Win the NFC Championship, the super Bowl, because clearly wouldn't go past then Lucy a divisional round again. I personally believe if he gets to the championship game and the team is playing well, you know, I think he's I think he's safe. I think that gets you say that like it's like this very easily. No no, no, no, I didn't mean to do that, because that's not been the

easily attainable bowl around here. But the way she the way she said that, she kind of threw those two things out there, the championship game, super Bowl. I don't I don't think the Super Bowl is necessarily the standard to keep his job. I think if he gets to the championship game and they play well, they lose, I think he probably still keeps his job. But I think anything less than that, I have a hard time believing it. I don't know. It's about I mean, Jerry said this

earlier when in the in the opening press conference. It's about the field. It's about where he feels the team is exactly. It's all about how it ends, right, Jerry answered it for you. He's like, I I'll basically I'll know it when I see it, Like I'll know whether I'm happy with the job that he did. Yeah, I mean,

we can say we can put around on it. But this team goes one and four and everyone's talking about maybe making him right there, you know, and you've had some injuries, maybe the you know, a quarterback, running key players are out all of a sudden, you kind of rally and you get to ten and six and you sneak into the playoffs and then win a game on the road and losing the divisional round. Again, I don't think you're looking at it and going all right, this

is bad, you know. Or what if you go instead of ten and six, what if you go twelve and four, and you know, if you go twelve and four and losing the divisional round at home? I mean, I think there's a key difference this year though, because it's not about like Jerry Jones doesn't have to make the decision to fire him. He just has to not present him with a new contract. So it's a good point. It's a subtle difference, but I think it's a difference. Um So if they go twelve and four and lose their

first game, I have a hard time believing here. Let me ask you a a question is if you guys see a scenario. I know this is gonna be a little bit far fetched, but do you see a scenario we get to the end of this season. Boys are pretty successful, right, Let's say they get to the to the Super Bowl. Let's say they get to the championship game and Jason decides, you know, I don't really want to be here anymore.

And Jason is the one that decides to leave and go somewhere else, because that is nobody ever talks about that side of it. But that's the flip side of not signing a guy before you get to the end of his contract. Yeah, he's free to walk, and if he has another opportunity, could you guys see a scenario where he says, you know, I'm good, I want to go somewhere else in something. No, I don't know this rule you have to grant people a chance to go

interview for a head coaching position. If it's your head coach, it's the head coach. Uh. Yeah, I assume that's not the same, but I could be wrong. I don't know how the rule is. Like, I'm the head coach of the team, I could go interview with this team to be the head coach. It's because because if he's if he's if he's really successful, there may be other teams out there that are willing to pay him more money than maybe Jerry's willing to pay him. Right, So he's

got he's got free. He's a free agent at that point, right. It sucks because Jason Garrett is such an impossible guy to know. Like I never covered parcels, but I imagine you kind of learned a lot about his personality away from the cameras and think he did. Yeah, Garrett is Garrett all the time. Like we get the same guy that you get more or less, you know, I know, like he's he was different on all or nothing. We don't get that guy. So, like, I don't really have

a great grasp on what makes him tick. But I think he like he's so formed by those nineties Cowboys and being on those teams and the greatness of the Triplets and all that and the prestige of the Cowboys, and I just think that means a lot to him. But he did as a as a member of the New York Giants. That's because he, like all players make concessions. Get that. But I also think like he's from that

part of the country. I think there's there are things that there are things that to me, nobody ever talks about. But when a coach becomes a free agent, I think that's part of why coaches. If you want the coach, he gets locked up the year before that, because if he has a really good year, you could find yourself in a bidding situation with other clubs that may want his services, and he has the ability to go and

look around. That's tough because I like, he would probably love nothing better than to go to a team where they're just not really in the headlines ninety percent of the year other than winning and losing games, you know what I mean. But at the same time, I think it's important to him, like the prestige of this franchise and what it would mean if yeah, because that helps, that helps your your overall profile as a as a

public figure. Right. That would be pretty surprising to see any I mean any coach walk away from the biggest job in football, maybe even sports. I mean, it would just be very interesting to watch and see and it would be and it would be after one championship, and it would be very interesting to see just from the standpoint or how much money can he command and how much money is Jerry willing to pay if he has that really successful season, he's got to get there first.

Exactly he does. But I'm just saying it could set up a pretty interesting offseason for us next year. I just I am at like it's set every other year,

every time they're successful. Like I'm already imagining a scenario where like Zeke's and I don't think this will happen, but I'm imagining like Zeke's holdout extends into the season and their mediocre up until the bye, and then Zeke comes back and they only go nine and seven, but it's because they didn't have Zeke, and then they make the playoffs, and it's like, well, right, we got to bring him back because because this is the he has this reason why it wasn't better, because that's what we've

seen for three or four years. So I wouldn't be surprised by anything. That's just my default attitude about the Cowboys. Nothing surprising. You can't because it'll happen, right, all right, I think we have time for one last one. You know, we we've heard these players talk about the Zeke situation

and how they understand what he's going through. And you know, business is business and all that, But do you think that if this goes into the season that he will start affecting the chemistry between him and his teammates as far as him not being here and not being part of it. I do. I think you saw it in Pittsburgh. I think you last year with Levan Bell. Yeah, when

you're starting effect, now you're affecting what they do. They can say business is business, but something now if you're not winning games and you're not performing as well, and some of these guys have contracts as well, so now this business is affecting my business. Yeah, I think I think it's It would be hard not to, you know, especially when you know that. You know that, I bet you Charles Haley Well, I would say Charles Haley woodn't

commenting much at training camp. Who knows what he was doing. But I guarantee when when they went when they went and two without Emmett, the defensive end now through his helmet, through the through the wall of training and the locker room is said, we can't win with an F and rookie. You know, So now you're affecting him. So yeah, I do think that you start losing games, and you lose with close games because you can't run the football. Yeah,

I definitely think it'll be tough. I don't know if it would be as publicly obvious as it was in Pittsburgh. Like I have a hard time imagining Zeke's teammates pilfering his locker. Remember like when all like all those dudes went through Bell's locker like thanks for the cleats, bro. I can't see that. But I mean, priv they'll be pissed. I promise you that. My question don't what I don't think they are right now? I think, yeah, I don't.

I do. Well, I'll just I do. I think I think there are some that are, you know, because super Bowl, super Bowl, super Bowl. Now you got to you got this guy that's not here, and you know, I mean you can make the argument that there's other guys that are. You know, the other players on this team are actually have more reasons to hold out than him, you know. But it's just so early though. I think they're just like us, where they're like, all right, like handle your stuff.

We got a long way, so we need you anyway. But the closer it gets, Dy's not there. I agree with you, guys, and I think I think everybody starts kind of looking around, like, man, when you come in, like this is game time, so it's not necessarily something you know, they keep talking about, Oh, you can just plug him in at any time and it'll be fine, I think. But as far as everything else, you know,

it's not as easy as it sounds. When you start talking about relationships and the chemistry between the team and all that it affects and it translates onto the field, I think. I think the point is that if he gets to game one and he's not here, like yeah, if he shows up the week of game one and he gets plugged right in, I don't think anybody thinks

twice about it. If they play that week one and he's not here and they happen to lose, I think it's gonna be a lot of people that's looking around, like, dude, where's our running back? But what's the problems to Jerry? And and by the way, yeah, I think I think there are there are fingers that then start pointing to Boat, they start pointing to Zeke and it here, and they're like y'all need to figure this out. Is this ain't good. This is not good for us, Like you say, it's

affecting my business. Now, y'all need to figure this out. Nobody's bottom line is being affected by Zeke not being here other than his own. But that will change in a in a hurry. Yeah, all right, We appreciate you guys joining us. We are back to Actually, I'm sorry, we're back on Monday. We got the Blue Wight Scrimmage coming up on Sunday afternoon. It'll be three thirty pm Pacific time. That's five thirty for you guys back in the Dallas area. And then on Monday we'll be back

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