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It is Wednesday, September eighteenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, episode number thirty two. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. We're live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Start, presented by LG. LG is the world's number one O led TV brand for eleven years in counting See why at LG dot com Ford Slash o Ledevio. Welcome to the show. We've got a lot we're going to get into today. Cowboys versus Ravens is our first day.

Yes, I was gonna let you finish, but I made that face because I did want to ask you guys a question after you get done.

I have one even after you all right, you know something, we're taking over the show.

Whatever I was gonna say, it doesn't matter, Brian.

What's the question?

Does this defense have a problem with big offenses? And I mean big as far as personnel. If you play with are you built to play the what was at one time the modern passing game where everybody was throwing the ball and now you're kind of we're into that mix. Where about the Shanahan stuff, you know, and Shanahan's back in the day, I was, you know, I competed against the father you know, used Denver the way they ran the ball and stuff and played with a full back

Let me let me answer that question with a question, what was Cleveland? Because Cleveland feels to me like a big boy brand of football. Type team.

Yeah, they didn't have their back. Yeah, but that back played pretty well for yeah.

Right, and and Djoku I to me, I'm thinking I'm thinking with with Cleveland, maybe not so much with.

The fullback and all that.

Yeah, they developed, they had a lot of fullback, didn't they.

The quarterback had something to do with that too. I'm just trying to think about the teams that have kind of the teams that have given Dallas problems, the teams like a San Francisco and even maybe a little bit of a Green Bay the way they give Dallas the problems. If you play in twenty one personnel or twenty two personnel, that seems to be something. But you're right about Cleveland.

San Francisco has not won in Minnesota since nineteen ninety two.

Yeah.

Wow, Yeah, I was like, that seems weird, Like I had to go back and rewind on my team. Yeah, nineteen ninety two.

I just I just wondered that about that about cause you're BI.

You were built to play in an era where teams.

Remember there was a time, Derek, when I was working for you here at dot com where we were talking about if you ran the ball, and everybody remember how much we.

Would do shows and everything.

They're running it too much on first down, they're running it too much on second down every run play.

And then everybody that.

Was an analytics guy or gal was telling you that running the football was not the way to go because they were.

Saying, running the football, you don't score enough. Okay, you don't.

But now where are we We're to the We've built these defenses to combat the eleven personnel stuff, and now we're trying to get back to build defenses that can handle twenty one and twenty two. When I say that the two backs too tight end often I'm just for Jerry's Jerry, So yeah, always in my mind. But see That's where I wonder if Dallas Is did they try to with Mazzi Smith. You have three hundred and twenty nine defensive three h twenty nine pound defensive tackle, which.

They never did under the Rod Marinelli administration.

Yeah, you're asking defensively specifically, right, are they defensively to handle these things? I'll say this twenty twenty three absolutely not. I mean, if you look at the twenty twenty three roster, okay, then what has changed since twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. They've added a couple of big guys in the interior. We haven't loved to play from them so far. Right, you still only have four guys on your entire defense that are over two hundred and seventy pounds. You got

Yeah, and we'll play especially play.

I think that was more of the issue. Last year's injury forced them mental situation where they're still the right personnel this year. When you say built, I think they're built for it. I just think they're.

Bad at it right now. They got the bodies we just talked about. They've got big bodies.

They just aren't good at doing what they need to do in order to stop the run. And that's where I think, you know, you listen to somebody like Zimmer or you listen to what Jerry had to say. Their expectation at least is that they think they can fix it because they have the bodies. Like, the bodies are there. These are body.

Tests to talent.

Are they good enough is the question? Are they good enough to do what you need them to do in order to stop the run.

I feel like that the one way.

And I don't see them waving a magic wand and letting everything get fixed and all that, because I think they're going to have the same personnel. But you better figure out a way to keep these linebackers clean.

I don't care if you have.

To hold guys coming off the ball, or play with better angles or alignment, whatever you have to do, not to let guards and centers and tight ends and tackles come off on these linebackers, because if those guys.

Are blocked, we see what happens.

We saw that that they've you know, and some of that the Saints, we we interviewed there before the game in the pregame show, Mike Costs, their play by play guy, he was kind of talking about in the game. Coming into the Cowboy game, He's like, yay against Carolina that you know that aren't the running back there had not been was not touched, you know until like two and a half yards down the field albu Kamara was made. You know, it was two and a half yards before

The hole and first.

Yeah, and you know it's like maybe six yards he was wouldn't getting touched, but that they were, they were that was something he was kind of hanging their hat. They're like, hey, we they blocked well enough in the running game. You know that. That's we were trying to kind of figure out is was this Saints team. Is it a smoking mirrors team or is it really a legitimate team. It looks like a legitimate team running the football.

You know.

One thing I'll say, though, is I look at teams like San Francisco like maybe what we're seeing from the Saints, you might throw Green Bay in there. They don't. They don't look to me like a power running team like you would say Cleveland is Cleveland to me is a lineup and we're gonna go at yeah, and we're gonna overpower you, right. I don't look at those offenses as

With than this team you're about to play with. Ye that way. Yeah, I'll tell you this though.

I'll tell you what the watch in San Francisco with Mason that he's replacing you know, uh there McCaffrey, he's a downhill player. And then Jacob's playing for Green Bay from you know, from the Raiders. That's a different style of grade for them. Yeah, that's a different style of back for them. That is a hammer. Yeah, you know, so some of these teams have kind of figured out like, man, we're cool, we can we can move with the full back, we can move with the tight end. The movement part

Dobbins as well.

Yeah, Chargers, the Chargers, and that's the coke.

But we knew that.

Yeah, the.

Head coaches got like blocking gloves on and cleats and you know that's that's his mentality. Yeah, you know, that's the attitude that you have there.

So I just look at at at the way that the Cowboys are playing defense right now, and we all know they got to fix this part of their It is critical long year that they fixed this part of the And if you notice, I was watching Good Morning Football this morning, they were talking about right now, through two games, the league is heavily skewed right now toward running more than past.

See that's and that's the part where you asked that question.

Yeah, it's like, is the league flipping on us now, and if it is the Cowboys suited to be able to handle the change.

There was a time where we could not handle eleven personnel. Everybody, jeez, we don't have.

A third quarter.

What the hell? Don't let them do this?

You know?

And now and then college football, everybody plays so wide open, we're developing corners, and now it's like, well, okay, we're all.

The big defensive linemen.

You know, where are those guys to And now teams getting back, you know, especially the pro teams are like, you know, I damn, I knew this was going to happen. I figured it was gonna be Belichick. Everybody goes small, small, small, and Belichick was going to go big big, big big,

This defense is built like a big twelve defense. They need an SEC.

Defense, not an LSU defense.

A sorry, yeah, if you want to play Texas defense, that's I'm all for that.

Kirby Smart, you had a question, what's your question? The uh you mentioned you mentioned? I completely forgot that I have the question you had mentioned.

Uh.

Okay, we're going on to week three into Baltimore, and it feels like a little tougher to go into week three this time around. Do you feel like it's the same way across the hall. It's a little tougher to go into week three with a.

Loss like that.

Yeah, like from a mentality standpoint, from a cerebrush point.

That's the kind of loss, Derek. You were around when we had those rushers. That was every week it was a two hundred yard rusher against us, remember Charlie Garner and yep, Ricky Waters. And every week it seemed like that was hard. And you're going in and you're thinking, damn, we were not very good stopping the run. And then all of a sudden, you kicked the tape on with the Ravens and there's twenty one.

Twenty two.

Oh look there's a fullback. Oh there's three tight ends. Oh there's oh look, there's a shifty move wide receiver that catches everything. Oh wow, this quarterback really runs really well. You know, that's that's the thing you could get a little beat down. The challenge is going to be for them to of course, to play with better you know, with better scheme and and better you know, better strength power,

Yeah, I think it's just from a mentality standpoint, it's it's got to be a little bit tougher to move on, especially considering the problems that they had in week two and how much better the Ravens are at each of those problems. Yeah, they say it's gonna be a quick application in learning, well learning and application.

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what you know.

For the defensive side of the ball, especially the defense has to look at this and say, okay, we we we saw. Maybe if you go down there and you shut the Saints out the way you do, you know, playing the way that they did with the twenty one twenty two personnel, you shut them down, you feel a lot better about playing the Ravens right now. You have to think about, man, everything that they exposed, the Ravens.

Do and do it pretty well.

That's the I mean, they're oh to two, but I'm watching them play Kansas City and then watching they you know, they've had they've had a history of falling apart in the fourth, much like the Philadelphia Eagles have. You know, they've they've blown some double digit leads. A field goal kicker ain't making fifty seven yard field goals anymore too.

Ye all right, let's take our first break when we come back. We're going to dive into Baltimore offense versus Dallas defensile debt and just a second with Stallas Cowboys dot com Radio.

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Welcome back. It is the second segment of the Break live from the SWBC Mortgage studios.

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We're presented by LG. Let's go into this breakdown. Actually, before we get to the breakdown, that was a little bit of cowboys news we just heard about. You want to catch us up Nick.

Yeah, so a defensive tackle Jordan Phillips, who was acquired during training camp in a trade with the New York Giants. He has been placed on injured reserve with a wrist injury, meaning he will miss a minimum of at least four games. In his place, the Cowboys have signed Carlos Watkins, bringing back an old friend. He was on the Washington Commander's practice squad. Dallas poached him and signed him to the active roster so he could be ready to go as early as this week.

All right, Hopefully that can give him a little bit of relief.

I don't know.

I remember if you remember Corlos Carlos Watkins days here and what he was able to do here. But I don't even know if he's still that player.

But yeah, we need to we need to maybe figure that out. We got some of us have the ability to watch the tape. Others don't you know.

I got him on back. I'm good.

I was a little worried about you there for a minute, man, Yes.

There you go. I'll say it.

Nothing better than that watching that tape that way, you know, talking about the with the Ravens and stuff like that, and what's you know, what's what's ahead for you. It's it's very similar to what you saw with the Saints as far as personnel groups. You're going to see a team that plays with the full back with Patrick Ricard.

Uh.

Not to be confused with the guy in the Star Trek episode, Jocard. Yeah, not to be confused with him. Uh, but yeah, Patrick Ricard. This is a team that plays with the real full back.

Uh.

They played with the legitimate running backs too. Derrick Henry is Uh. We all know the history of Derek Henry. You don't have to, you know, we all see the body type, the ability that he has. They line him up in a pistol formation, which is directly behind the quarterback a lot of the time, and then Jackson, Lamar Jackson will take the snap and they'll just turn and hand it to him and then let him attack down hill.

And uh.

They'll also this is a team that likes to get the ball on the edge if they can, because they've got tight ends that are really good at blocking. When you look at Mark Andrews, Mark Andrews always plays detached and I mean you know, he'll be either as a wing or he'll play like in a slot. It's rare that you see him down there playing what we call the in line tight end or right there on the line.

But he's always going to be a guy there when.

They get when when they run the ball at times that will get these really tight bunch formations, and then you'll see, you know, you'll see maybe Isaiah likely the tight end, and then Mark Andrews the tight end, and then Ricard all on the same side, and you're thinking, my gosh, you're loading up to run the ball over there.

And then the next thing you.

Know is Jackson will pull the ball and he'll go around the other end. So they make it appear that they're running one direction, that they're going to load up on one side, and you're gonna be you're going to be, you know, looking at that and going, okay, well here comes the strength. Here comes They're they're setting this thing up.

With the ball in his hands.

He's like having an extra running back with with unbelievable ability to make you miss. So you're going to have to play discipline. You're gonna have to tackle well in this game.

Every game. You got to tackle well. But this guy shakes.

Loose more tackles, makes guys, breaks guys down. He makes small little plays that look like they're going to be stopped into huge plays, and so you're gonna have to be ready for that. His ability to run the football. But they're there. They're sound with their tight end room. They're very good with their running back room. They're wide receivers. I think the best wide receiver that they have on their team is Zay Flowers from Boston College.

And Zay is the one.

He wears number four, and he's going to be the guy that constantly plays in motion. They keep him on the move. They like to when they play under center. They'll hand him the ball and the Jets sweep if they if they get under center and then he runs a jet sweep and they fake it and then they flip it to Justice Hill or they'll flip it to Henry. So they've got some different combinations. But they'll Jay Flowers is a guy on the move, they'll throw them the screens.

But they really rely they.

Want Jackson throwing the stationary targets because he's more accurate throwing the ball that way their offensive line.

Real quick.

Before we go to there, I want to talk specifically about the passing game. Right now, they're ranked number one in total offense with the one hundred and thirty five yards and they're actually the interesting part about is a fourth and passing with one or ninety nine yards seventh and rushing at three hundred and thirty six yards. What's the key to the passing game? Because I going into

It's today, It's Bateman the receiver is a nice player as a two ZA Flowers. I think has been really really good in the two games I watched. Like I say, they they try and create opportunities for for Jackson not to have to make some crazy throws. I mean, it's it's it's it's Andrew's up inside, likely up inside, likely up outside.

You know, it's just some some.

Simple type of a spot, stay to a spot, stand there, and they've they've they do a good job.

They're good.

An extension of that, they are good offscript and that that has helped facilitate their games and some the areas where they are just trying to pressure Lamar Jackson, not let him go anywhere he can escape and make some things happen.

He made a throw against the Raiders. I don't know if you got to see the Raiders tape at all. He gets flushed to his right and he throws the ball all the way across the field of flowers, and so like they just lost him like it's like a it's the play breaks down and now Jackson's running. And there's times where you see him running and moving around and him having to throw off his back foot and him not get enough on the ball or get it

Let me ask you something one Flowers.

Yeah, the last three years that Flowers was at Boston College, he worked with Steve Shimko, who's now an offensive assistant with the Cowboys.

Do you think that helps in any way?

That was my question, Yeah, how to defend him?

Yeah, I mean it could be just you know, hey, I know these little nuances that he didn't do great with two years to go in college.

Does he work?

Maybe? Why do I feel like? Why do I feel like? You know that?

And maybe across the hall they're not. Maybe if our coach steps up and says, hey, I was with this guy at Boston College, anybody wants to know. But no, I I think that the thing with Flowers to me and the way they kind of they try and keep you from getting a bead on where he is is the movement with him. You know how they like to move him across the formation. Uh, they like to keep him moving so you can't double him or if you or it shows if you man, maybe you're running and

But they pull him.

They get all these guys out in space. We've seen the crack toss. We saw that, the pin and poll stuff, we saw that last week. It's all stuff that the that the Ravens do if they have a problem in past protection. And I'm gonna Nick, I'm glad you're here. It's the right tackle is Daniel?

Uh Yeah? I always always Daniel. I thought it was for you.

Okay, Well, anyway, he's the one guy at the right guard spot that he came from. He's a massive guy and he he came from the yeah, from the University of Minnesota, and Minnesota at the time during COVID Derek, they had guys that were six year players, six year starters on their offensive line and Foalole was one of these guys. He was a tackle and I remember him because how big he was. He's six' eighties, three hundred

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Final segment of the break Live from this s WBC Mortgage Studios At the Start, presented by LG. Let's talk about Derrick Henry. He is a first year with the Baltimore Ravens. He has been throughout his career menace when it comes to trying to tackle him. What is if there's anything that slows him down? What exactly is it? And does Dallas have that key ingredient? In order to nullify him or at least slow him down a bit in a game like this.

For me, if I could at least from his time with the Titans, there's a small sample size for his time with the Ravens. He had decent O lines during his time with the Titans, and you know, they were able to pay running lanes for him, but he was really able to succeed when they had passing weapons that were able to, you know, kind of distribute the the intention from opposing defenses.

And does Baltimore have that.

I think they do, and say Flowers and a healthy Mark Andrews, and especially a Lamar Jackson type weapon that they also have to account for. So for me, it's always been okay, if they are not threatened by the other weapons on the team, then they load up the box and they go after Henry and they're typically able to find some success doing that. So whenever they can apply two or three guys on him, you know, that's that's the obvious kind of solution to taking down a

Yeah. I mean I was just looking through his game logs.

He's had some days like, yeah, at a buck eighty eight against Kansas City, and you know in twenty nineteen, follow that up with a buck fifty nine against Jacksonville, followed that up with a with a buck forty nine against Indy.

Yeah, I mean.

This, this scheme that the Ravens have allows him. You would think that that tossing him the ball or you know sometimes those big backs, you know, I remember Brandon Jacobs, Yeah, with the Giants, and you wanted to get Brandon Jacob's playing sideways. You know, you wanted if you could get penetration up the field, hold the point and then make him have to bounce or play sideways, you had a really good chance of slowing down a big back like that. It's when these guys see an opening and then they

It makes it very, very difficult.

And you know the best thing I can think of with with to try is just just to crowd that line. And you know what, if Lamar Jackson's going to beat you throwing the ball this game.

So be it, so be it.

I might put every body I got in that box and dare them to beat me throwing the football. And if you're good enough doing that, then I tip my hat to you. But I am not going to let you hand the ball to that guy eighteen nineteen times in this game and get one hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty yards. I'm not going to do it. I'm going to put as many bodies in that box and I'm going to say I dare you. And on the flip side of that. If I was the Ravens, I would play dime the whole game.

I would think the exact same thing as you.

Yeah, just play dime the whole game. And like, listen, I dare you to run the ball today. I dare you to try and run the ball today. Because you won't run the ball, you will throw against my dime package. Both teams are in a in a little bit of a bind. You know, Jackson could throw, but Jackson will

Yeah, that's how I would play this.

Yeah, yeah, I mean you're gonna be asking these d beasts to be playing a lot of one on one, but hey, this season.

Yes, I you know what, I have a better chance. I would have a better chance of stopping the run and stopping them, you know.

And like I say.

Make Lamar Jackson, make him drive the ball, throwing the ball, make him Yeah, if he if he's if he keeps hitting flowers, and hits the tight end and hit you know they keep doing that, then then that's you know, hey, it's better than them running the ball down your throat because you're probably gonna get Jackson making a mistake. You know, he'll overthrow one, he'll throw one behind a guy, they'll

Yeah, I think one solution that could help you win this game. You just need to figure out how to win the time of possession battle. If you can figure that one out, because they are going to come out and run on first and second down almost every single play or almost every single drive. If you can somehow figure out how to win the time of possession battle within all of that, you might find a way to

I think it's going to be a ten minute difference at the end of this game.

We didn't talk much yesterday about Damoon Clark, but I want to get an evaluation from both of you guys, what did you see from him in this last game, and then you can even go back to game number one, what did you see from him really over those two games, and how do you evaluate where he is at this point.

I think with Damon Clark, obviously a lot of responsibilities have been taken over, his taken off of his plate coming into twenty twenty four and still trying to find his new role, I think is still the assessment that I see from the first two games. But I think there was no player on the defensive side of the ball that I could have credited great play to. I think Michael Parsons had some moments. I think Chauncey Golsten had some moments, but I want to look at Damn

That a role.

But also he needs a consistent defensive front to be able to do that. When you're being asked to do something and the people around you are not doing their jobs, it's really tough.

Yeah, he's he's a good player, he's not good enough to do everyone else's job. I think Nick's right about that when you ask him, Okay, your responsibility is this. I think he's pretty good at doing that. But don't ask him to do a lot of things. And this is where that comes in about with overshown. You know, how how do you find a way? Is that leaf Al Clark who comes off the field. My gut feeling is if they had to take a guy off the field, they would probably take Clark off the field, would be

Right now.

Let's flip that and let's do an evaluation on Kaitlin Carson rookie had two games. Now what are you seeing from him that he's doing well? And what are areas where you look at it and you say, if he doesn't fix this, other teams are going to see it and it's going to be exploited in future weeks.

I'll start with that backside thought speed. We saw that on display Rashid Shaheed or a Lave, these guys were able to get some wiggle off of them, you know, at the top of their routes and was able to kind of get away from Carson at times. Carson is an aggressive guy, and I think that's probably what Al Harris saw on film from Wake Forest and said, hey, we want this guy because we can kind of fine tune this a little bit and make a turnover machine

I'm okay with that. We haven't seen that yet.

I would be okay if he has a physicality penalty at the end of the day, if it shows that he's trying to push guys off off the route.

Man, I maybe this approach is terrible to take. I would play him as much press as I could, because he I feel like, yeah, give me the I feel like a depth they can run on him and I don't.

And when they run on him, I don't know.

I think he's his quickness is good, but I don't think it's I don't think it's the ability to like to peddle and to turn and to go. I think anything when he could play press and get hands on and then try and maybe make that receiver have to start stop, start again, that kind kind of play into a strength. You could see the separation on the end cut routes and the things like that. I mean, at depth, it just didn't seem like there was that explosiveness that

He misses the jam. He doesn't even jam, he just sinks. And now you got a free runner on those safeties. And so he's got to learn. You know, your technique is important. If they ask you to jam, you got your jam. The defense depends on you playing it the right way. But me personally, I worry about him playing from some depth.

I know he was his zone player, but until he kind of gets a good feel for it, I'd put him up, let him be physical, let him try and run with defenders or excu me receivers. If he gets a couple of defensive holding penalties, fine their five yard penalties, but learn learn along the way to on how to make those plays.

Do you think there's a more a higher likelihood though, if he's playing more press, he's going to give up more big plays at the end of the day.

If he misses with the jams. Sure, okay, sure, But to me, is.

That because of the speed, Because of the speed.

I think, to me, if depending on how much cover two you play, maybe if you're one of those safeties, if you're a hooker or you're Wilson, especially hooker, keep an eye on the rookie side of the field, you know.

Keep it digs.

Digs you can digs, you can say, Okay, he's fine, I need to think about cheating over to this guy's side a little bit until they kind of figure those things out. Beat a couple times digs did digs from depth too, running running inside, you know, and that's something you did, You really were when these guys play off. It's just it doesn't seem like anybody in the league is covering the crossing routes anymore. Oh yeah, every time I look up, somebody's hitting a big play on the

Yeah, it used to be a time when you could defend the crossing routes by having a safety down there would just break the guy in half. Yeah, you can't really do that in the same way anymore. We don't live in the days of Ronnie Lotton new or being able to just kind of break guys up. Yea, but yeah, I think my question for you guys on Kaylan do you feel like he is as I as I put it age appropriate. Do you feel like he is where he's supposed to be at this point in his career or do you think he's ahead?

Do you think he's behind.

I think he's ahead.

I mean if you're looking at a fifth round pick rookie, I mean you're getting what you You're getting more than what you could have expected out of him when you picked him an April.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I don't think he's a liability at all time.

I mean teams have thrown the ball at him and you know he's just he's got to he's got to take better angles.

I mean, these are things he's gonna line. Yeah, these are things.

I mean like when the game the game is a fast game, it is really and when when they throw a screen and you got to take an angle that could have been you know, you tackle Kamara. It's a it's a twelve yard game. It's not a fifty seven yard touchdown if you take a better angle there. There are things he's going to have to learn along the way, and you know they'll be able to point it out to him. Now he's doing these playing, Now he's playing.

That seven yards seven yard, Yeah, Kendrick's just not just missing.

Kendrick's overrunning to play. And then Carson's angle was bad too.

Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys.

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