Cowboys Break: Fixing the Offense?

a lot to talk about. We're gonna do a season review somewhat of that, and then we'll hit the whole free agent list and check out or find out who these guys will keep. Wow or got it? It's a lot to get to. Yeah, we're doing forty five minutes today or an hour an hour? Awesome, right, need it? Yeah? Any time. So we'll get into that in a little bit. But before I wanted just to do a quick mention late Invenderash he made it into the Pro Bowl. I'll

replace nice al wa ware you go replacing? Uh? Looking? Is that how you saying? He's there? Yes, Okay, he's injured, but he's replacing it. Any surprises as to Layton being picked, I know there were some discussion of other people having or at least I saw on Twitter, whether him or Jayalen between these two guys, So do you agree with this replacement and pick? Yeah, I'm a little surprised. I

thought the Bears. The Bears are one of the few teams that announces all their alternates, so they they had three linebackers that were altered, and so I didn't know, uh, you know, how that would work out. But um, yeah, I mean I'm sure Jaalen's probably a little upset about that.

But you know, vander Esh was better, I mean, had a better, better season, And I don't know, it's hard for us to say, like who is a Pro Bowler because he looking at it all the other guys out there, but he looked like a Pro Bowl type of player.

So that's an interesting question. I'll ask you guys, if right now you had to say who you think is a better linebacker between Jalen Smith and Layton Vanderesh based upon what you saw this year, because I think this was really the first year that we saw Jalen play at this level. He showed some signs of it other times, but I thought this year was a consistent level. Which would you say is a better linebacker Layton Vanderesh. Yeah, it's it's close though, because I mean it's easy to

say yo, Vandersh. But then you're like, why it was more? Next question. I think Layton's instincts are just especially and I know, I know, you know everything with Jalen's career he sat for a year and all that, but he just his instincts are really impressive. Like he does things that we saw Sean Lee do for a decade. You know, the number of times he split blocks and knew where the ball was going before the quarterback had even thrown it.

I mean, those are those are rare plays. I mean, we I think kind of him for granted, because we saw Sean Lee to him for so long and and Jalen's really good. I'm not trying to dog him, but um, you know, like one of the things that stood out to me when watching these two guys would be that I feel that I would see Laton being able to handle several guys at once and versus Jalen. Jalen would like run and take care of somebody, but Layton could do that with multiple guys. Yeah, I think, and Jalen

is a more physical tackler. Maybe you know, you guess and I feel that. But I mean, this is like the Warriors fans saying who's better Currier Kevin Durant, I mean Curry. It doesn't matter. I mean, I mean, actually, who knows. I mean, it doesn't matter the thing. It doesn't matter. It's like, I don't know. It kind of does matter in the sense that they're well, there's that, but I'll come they're probably gonna get to eating each other's way of the Pro Bowl for the next next

however many years that they're playing. I mean, yeah, they're gonna eat votes from each other. And no, I'm not latee Vanderesh had a way better season than Roquan Smith Floyd in Chicago. He's more of a pass rusher than like a true linebacker, so I'm not surprised. And it certainly helps that he plays for the Cowboys, and I think he had a better season than Jalen. It's deserved. They're both really good. They'll both be here for a

long time, so it's fine. I thought those two games in a row, Philadelphia on the road and then Atlanta, those are the two games that really kind of took Vanderesh to another level that the was at nineteen tackles against the Eagles with an interception and ye, really big stop late in that game. And then against Atlanta, comes back the next week, another interception that kind of turned the game around, and had to play at the goal line where he knocked out you know, knocked away a pass.

I mean those two right there when everyone started to realize a way a second, this guy you know, really good. And then howling around in the Saints game and all that and the national TV that that kind of keep in mind also Layton didn't take over as an every down starter until Week four. Think about what his numbers

would be if he started every game this season. Yeah, and by the way, if even towards the end of the season, he I mean, I should say in the postseason, in this last game particularly, he wasn't having some reps where he was I mean some series where he was all because they were trying to get Lee into the game. So you think about holistically, his numbers could have been much much higher than what they were if he were a typical you know, if you were a typical Pro

Bowl linebacker. Right, but you know, it goes back to and I understand rotations and stuff like that, but you have an All Pro and Pro Bowl linebacker. I mean they were second team All Pro and because as an alternate linebacker or whatever, that's one of the best linebackers in the league. And it's third and eight and you've got to stop the rams one more time to get the ball back and give your team a chance. Why would why would he not be out there? I mean

I don't get that. Why would Sean Lee be out there wrestling around with that tight end and trying? You know, and Jeff Heath made the worst place, that worst play of his season. I mean, he looked gloss. If you're going back and look at that point, yeah, but did you? And I don't really know what happened. I read Brian's dissection of the play, and his opinion was that that he thought he was covering somebody in man coverage and because of that, it kind of caused him to pause

for a second. And that's why he didn't just go straight toward Golf, Which the question becomes, then if if that really were the case, and he would have just shot to where golf, does Golf dump it right over his head because there's now a free receiver running down the field. So I don't really know. Again, I don't know. It's assignments. And that's always the tough part about all this is we make these analysis points based upon what we see and you don't always know what the assignment was. Um,

so who knows. Who knows whether that was really his assignment or if he just really watched that play. Well, there's there's no point of talking about it now, there's not on it. But he you know, yeah, we're watching it here in the studio, but he's just sitting there for a while, like he's not even like you can't find the ball at all. And that's surprising because he's got pretty good awareness for the most part. Yeah, broke it down on Film Room yesterday on Dallas. Cow go

check that out. Check it out. That there. Their calling card all year was as many hats to the ball as possible, and that was just that. I mean, it killed him on Saturday. So it's just crazy. He got

washed out of so many plays. And I mean not that you know, the other team gets paid to their offensive line was great, but you just the way that they have characteristically played defense, it just wasn't there at all, you know, you know, Um, going back to vander Esch making the Pro Bowl and the obviously the Cowboys coaching staff will be there right now, so I'll be there six players right now. But Zach Martin made it pretty clear that he was not going to be playing in

that game. And I wonder who else might um, you know, pull out of that game. Maybe it's Tyren Smith. I shouldn't know this right now, But do you still get the like title or under even if you don't play? Yeah, if if you are selected like they were and you choose not to play, then you are considered a Pro bowler. If Layton vander esh was injured and he was an alternate and then he declined it you do not play,

they changed that rule. I remember one time Emmett Smith was on the golf course and got a call and like, you know, hey, you're gonna be You're gonna go to the Pro Bowl this week. You know, you're like the next alternate And he was like, uh no, I'm good

and I'm not playing. But he got added as another Pro Bowl and that they they've changed that rule just because because he took the phone call, which I mean, if you're if you are one of the three guys that gets the call in November, like you were that good, then you should be a Pro Bowler, no matter what exactly. But if you're you know, if you're like the third guy down the line and they call you, no, you shouldn't be a Pro Bowl. You have to go to Orlando.

And I think that's a good rule. Signed some autographs and yeah, Aaron Rodgers is one of the quarterbacks. He's not playing in and he was replaced by Russell Wilson, who will be there. And then the other two quarterbacks are Goffin Breeze. One of them is going to the one of them won't be one of them is going and I and are you making the case that down? Sorry,

I'm making the case that he won't be. So don't get all excited because who had a better year statistically, Matt Ryan Ryan, I bet Stafford's you know, numbers are better, but I mean, I don't I think you think, I don't know. Cousins probably has better stats. It's theoretically possible. I think it's possible. And yeah, it's death selling a little short. I think there's a there's a there's a good chance that he would be the guy that gets the call. He might because I'm thinking about the rest

of the NFC. I don't know Dal's other names, like you you mentioned Ryan, but I'm like, what what? I don't know if he did. And sometimes sometimes the statistics aren't ever anything, especially for quarterbacks. Sometimes the win loss record combined with the stats is kind of what matters a little bit more so who knows. Yeah, I know that New Orleans has Michael Thomas. If they win and go to the Super Bowl, that that'll be a receiver. I don't know. Cooper is kind of interesting because he's

got numbers. If you look at his whole numbers, you know, crap, how wow? Why was about He's about to shock us with something? Just why wasn't Atlanta better this year? Because yeah, I am through for five thousand yards, thirty five touchdowns and seven picks the NFL. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna get the call. He's going he's gonna get and Drew Brees I know in the NFL that's on leavable. I mean, and passing yards aren't everything, but that's they couldn't run

the ball. Yeah, they couldn't play defense, no, I know, So here you go. That's how they were bad as they were you know, sorry, I don't think it's gonna be any more alternates. That's basically what I basically, I don't think Cooper is gonna gonna get there. I don't know the other receivers, but I'm sure there's a lot of guys, a lot of catches. And then you know, Dak would be the one and Jalen Smith. I don't think that's gonna happen. There's not gonna be another linebacker

not playing the game. That's six Pro Bowlers for ten and six team is not bad. It's not bad at all. Pretty Actually, it's really really good. In fact, they're they're probably second or third in the league. Like I'm sure they're behind the Rams in the Chiefs. That's about definitely, remember writing a story about six Pro Bowlers on a six win team. Definitely, as it happened. That's the power of the Cowboys. So all right, well let's go ahead

and change the subject a little bit. Last show, we discussed what Jason Garrett and Stephen Jones had said in regards to changes in the coaching staff. Since then, Jerry Jones has had another interview with the fan and talked about basically saying his options are open and at the end of the day, he's the one that makes the final decision, and that basically there's no rush at this moment to make those kinds of decisions. But since then, uh, Mark Colombo, he's expected to return, And I wanted to

check out your impression to this. Are you guys pleased with this? He was a guy that made a huge change once he was promoted and what he was able to do the O line. You ever heard of that phrase power of the press? That that definitely happened with with Mark Colombo. I thought the way, um he there was a story written I'll just leave it at that about his links to other coaches and maybe he was going to go to another another team and he has

a deal in a couple of days. Power of the press, I think, I mean, I think that definitely played a factor into Hey, Mark Colombo could could go here. I mean, no one really knew that if that was the case. Maybe they did some calls, but I'm just saying, let's get that thing locked up before it goes anywhere. So I think I think that was you say, there's no no rush on certain things, some guys that there is, and I that was was one that probably plays a factor.

But I think of it too in terms of, well, first of all, I thought I thought he did a great job, Like there's no doubt the offensive line played better. I think, you know, he's got relationships in this building. He played, he was a great player here. He's been here for He's been in and around this team for the last decade. Now. I think Garrett loves him. I think the front office loves him. I know players love him and would especially compared to what was here before,

love his style. And I think they want to prove themselves right that they like him, and so I think all those guys want to play really well for him. All that works. The other thing I thought about this too, is like I thought about the day Derek hired me to this job. I was unemployed. It was like a year and a half out of college. I had no money, and Derek called me and was like, well, this is what we can off And before he was even done time,

I was like, yep, okay, yeah, I'll be there. And it's like, if you remember all this stuff we offered you, like I remember, don't even how much I'm gonna get paid. I remember being like that's those are low numbers. But whatever, Yep, it's the Cowboys. Cool and let's go. And if you offered me that now that I'm way more established, oh god, no, the word negotiation did not even enter into my mind. Which is my point is you know where Mark Colombo

is in his career as a coach. He gets this job, you know, he's his first time being the old line coach. He goes, well, he loves this team, and they're like, hey, you want to be our old line coach. Yep, let's do it. I mean I can imagine offer him before somebody else has a chance and give show him his value or yeah, and he's just getting started in his career. You know, five years from now, it's probably a totally different conversation. But expensive, baby, You're like, hey, we I

mean Jerry Jones said it yesterday. He's like, I got I got a handful of guys that are out of contract. I gotta worry about them. First. They might have just looked at like this should be the easiest thing to get done. Whatever else is going to happen. We can take care of this in ten minutes, and we know we want him. That's the most important thing is we know we want him because of what he's like, what he's already done. Yeah, so I wasn't surprised. I thought

it was smart. Yeah, yeah, way to go, way to all Right, Now, we've talked for a while also about Jason Garrett and maybe him moving on from the Cowboys. Clearly at this point that is not going to happen, you should say and expect ever since the team started getting rejuvenated, since Dad got here, seek and all of that, these changes since then in three years they've made it

to the divisional round twice. Now overall, looking at the team, would you still say, as far as coaching and what needs to happen that the main problem or main change that needs to happen would be in the offensive coordinator spot. Other than that, do you feel good about what you have? Uh? Yeah, I mean you gotta remember this is a young team and I think they've done a nice job turning things around.

I mean, Garrett, you know, the thing is is that if you want to take it back to ten years, if that's you know that that's people use that as a as a reason to say, well, he's not done good. You know, he's done a good job, because just take it back to the last ten years. But I mean, if you look at this team and how they got better, I mean, somebody, somebody did a good job of coaching this team. But the offense isn't good. So the offense needs to be better and it need to be a

more balanced team somehow. And I think that with Lenahan he was here to be with another quarterback, I think that there could be other options there. That's that's my take. But I mean, Jason Garrett, I don't look at the two wins in ten years in the playoffs. That's irrelevant to me. I mean that I don't. I don't. That doesn't mean anything to me. Here's the thing I think about, and I think um in Jerry's interview yesterday, I don't think there was enough attention paid to this. One part

of his interview where they mentioned him. They said something to the effect of we just wanted to get you on the record with this, and he said, WHOA. Let me let me stop you for a second. He said, there's no such thing as on the record, because as soon as I hang up this phone, my opinion can change. He said, this time of the year, there are all sorts of options that become available to you, and based

upon those options, your opinion changes. And he says that applies to coaches, that applies to players, that applies to everything. So what I'm saying right now can change drastically based upon new opportunities that may be presented to me. I say all that to say, if you're going to talk about coaches, I think you always have to talk about If not them, then who, right, Because that's at least based upon that statement. That's at least how I think

the owner is looking at this. He's thinking based upon the options. I saw those guys that were out there that were available as head coaches, oc as, whatever. I feel like my guys are right now better than that. So my question I would pose to people who say, give me another head coach, give me another OC my question is who and are they available? And right now I don't know that I can come up with those names to say this is a better option than what you already have, So get rid of that guy and

put this guy in their place. That's a really great point. And for the record, on the record, on the record, those quotes were the centerpiece of the story I wrote about it. Yes, and yeah, that was a great job. And I don't think that's getting enough press. I'm talking about. Yeah, I've seen everywhere his quote about Jason. If Jason were on the market, there'd be five job offers. Everybody's talking

about that. Everybody missed the next part, and the next part, to me, was more important than what he said about that. That's I wish that I had. I wish that I had known you were gonna make that argument. I would have spent a little bit of time because you're right now, I don't have a list of guys. I don't and and we have enough season to this. We do have no we will believe, we do have a lot of shows.

But like this will be settled within the next two weeks, Like they're gonna you know, they're not gonna wait till you will know the full poll. You're not gonna wait till March to hire a new coach, so or offensive coordinator or not. Yeah, And I don't I don't think the head coach is going anywhere. No, but I think I do think as far as offensive coordinates is concerned, I think there could be something if he gets an option that he likes well well, Jerry makes a great point,

is like things can change. I mean, you know the Rams are gonna lose their quarterbacks coach to Cincinnati as soon as their playoff runs over, whenever that is, and you know he will hire staff and maybe somebody will be out of a job or so. I mean, he's right, and since that things can change, I thought it was smart on his part just to cover all of his basses, because basses, because nothing has to change based on that quote, either,

what were you gonna say said? Do you all believe the statement about there would be five teams after ja I think there was some hyperse hyperbole there. I don't know if I say five. I do think he could have gotten another job as well. I go back and forth because Adam Gas got high, right, if he can get hired, don't forget about I mean, and I've said this if kings before. I've never seen this in my life. I've never seen a coach get fired and hired for

the exact same reason. I mean, I really believe that Texas Tech fired him and he had been struggling, but it's like they saw what what Mahomes was doing. It was like he didn't win with this guy. I mean, hey, let's use basketball coach back in the nineties, and he didn't win with those guys. I mean, and the same thing too, by the way, But I also believe that he got hired because of what Mahomes was doing. Right, So, um, I if Kingsbury and gays can get can get jobs.

I mean, I think that's there's two molds of head and that's clearly the the hire of the year is like the young innovative guy who can bring the college concepts into the pro game and elevate the offense. That's what Cowboys fans want. And an offensive coordinator I don't I don't have a name for you who that would be. If you've got one, please tweeted at me. Um. But the other one is you know the you know, Jason

Garrett's not that guy. And I mean, which is funny because he was hired as an offensive guru a decade ago. But if you're hiring him, I would hire him to clean out the knuckleheads and you know, more abundant franchise with a bad hockey. You know that all the rumors we've heard about the Jaguars and you know, their ownership had to have a meeting with Leonard Fournette because he quit on the team in the last week of the year.

Jason Garrett would go in and clean that up. And that's boring to Cowboys fans, but somebody somewhere would value that. They got great culture here. By the way, it's whatever you say about the team and what their win loss, because that doesn't necessarily always translate to win loss. But they have a great culture in that locker room. I will I will defend Jason Garrett's resume Monday to Saturday

up against anybody. And again, I know fans don't necessarily want to hear that because it's about what happens on Sunday. But there are plenty of franchises in the NFL that would value that, so I could see it. I mean, at least a few, maybe not as many as five,

but I think at least a few teams would be interested. Ironically, of all the guys that I hired this year is as as head coaches, there's only one, in my opinion, that I was even like remotely interested in, Like, I think this guy's a really good head coach, and that's Bruce Arians. I think Bruce Arians is a vastly under head coach. You look at what he's done with the

offenses he had in Pittsburgh and with Arizona. They were significantly better while he was running those those offenses, and they got significant shouldn't say significantly worse, because I don't think Pittsburgh got significantly worse. But Pittsburgh the year after he left, their offense I don't think was as explosive as it was with him, and certainly with Arizona it took a drastic step down. I think he's the guy you talk about all those young guys, all these new concepts.

He's the guy, really, in my opinion, that has the skins on the wall to say I know how to take an offense from being here and take it up to a whole different level. So that would have that would have been the kind of higher I think you could have done. That makes you better. I don't know that all those other guys I necessarily think make you better. Yeah, let's go ahead and take a quick break. When we come back, let's try to give a quick update on

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We're not going to get into that, but go ahead, go ahead of my own means, No, we don't. We don't want to create rumors by stuff that's unsubstantial. And I think it's if you just said, well, I want this young college type of offensive coordinator or something like that, that's not the same for everybody. That's not the same for every team. But when you look at what dak strengths are, and I think that he does need to

run more. They need to utilize his athleticism more into the offense that a aspects of a college type of offense would be good here. And I thought about that when we were doing the show on Mondays. I wonder, I wonder what Dak's opinion about all of this is. Uh, you know, he's too smart to throw people under the bus publicly, but I wonder how he feels about the offense basically, and whether he's being utilized correctly and whether

he's being put in a position to succeed. I think we would all agree at you know, I think we would all agree that he had a hand in Dez's departure, you know, not that he's pulling the strings. But I just refuse to believe he wasn't consulted about the decision to release the number one receiver on the team. So how does he feel about that? Like, is he frustrated by what is going on in the offense? And I don't, I have no idea. I'm just now I thought of

the same thing. Whether he's having conversations with Jerry or Jerry go and say, okay, let's meet up real quick. Hey, I'm planning on making you my one hundred million dollar man what do you think we need that I would do that if I was going to sink that kind of money into the guy. Yeah, but I think the the only issue with that is I think what I think I know of Dak is that Dak wouldn't wouldn't say anything to disparage his head coach to the owner.

That's my opinion. Um, And so it may not be Yeah, I get that, but I don't think he would say it's strong enough to where it would influence Jerry to necessarily make a move. Right. What I would be more interested in is when Dak is with his best friend, when Dak is with family, when Dak is with his lady friend, whatever, what is he What is he saying?

Then it's not really old? And that that to me is what because I don't know if he has a girlfriend, But that to me is way more important because that's when you're more candid about what you really feel, when you go home at night after that game and you're like, man, I wish this, or man, they should have done this. That's what I want to know because that tells me a lot more about what he believes of this offense

and this coordinator and this head coach. The other day, y'all mentioned, oh, when this time comes, like everyone gets their knives out and fight for themselves. I mean, if you're fighting and like making a reasoning as to why you're not as good, you know, because it's also on that like he hasn't been great, So that also changes

the image of him. Now if he goes in there and says, Okay, yes, I feel this way, that maybe you know the right calls are being called or this, and that, then that also helps fight for his money. Jerry would have to do a really good job of asking him the right questions, very pointed questions that would give him direct answers that doesn't say your coach is wrong, but gives him the answer that he's looking for about specific moments in games, this particular moment, what did you

think of this? And get his ohoverall opinion, and that he might tell him something to the effect of, yeah, I thought we probably should have tried this, or I did notice this earlier in the game. I thought it would have been a great time to do this. Right, those kind of answers where he didn't have to throw him under the bus. But at the same time, Jerry gets what he wants right. Dack's best two throws of

the year throws, I mean the Beasley throw. I know it didn't I know the game didn't matter, but I think that's the best throw of his entire career. I think that Cooper throw this last game was a heck of a throw. Which one was that the one for the touchdown? Did not Cooper gallery the gallop throw, just the gallup co and y'all would say those two, those are the two that I was thinking because he was on the moves. On the move he's on to the left means he's got an arm that can throw. It

means he's got an arm. Um. You think they're gonna keep that in not as funny? Yeah, no, I'm talking about dak by the way, if anyone's talking about it, you know, for six years down the road or just no. I mean I said it more times than I can count. But he and and they're not carving copies. Russell Wilson's more athletic than he is, but like he he reminds me of Russell Wilson. And like Russell Wilson can hang

in the pocket and make great throws. But he's at his best when he's on the move and either improvising or using his athleticism to make play. Yeah, in casey too, and that's actually he is in the pocket. He's way better when he gets outside the pocket. Robert May's who he is. Well, yeah, I mean I don't like. I don't like to compare him to Mahomes is a prototype. He broke the prototype. Yeah, whereas it's I can catch his pass. He's definitely a receiver for a night. You've

caught his pass? Yes, check his pen tweet on his Twitter. Yeah, no, I missed that. You haven't seen him on Twitter. I don't follow you, Baylor Texas text four years ago. Can't. Where does that? I think us Russ is a more fair comparison because I get he's short. He was a third round pick. He's not you know, Mahomes is this top ten pick with the cannon arm um? Where was that going with that? Guys, just that are on the move and that he's beyond the move. That's really what

my point was is. I do think they need to get him out of the pocket a little bit more and doing that, And also we did see more passes over the middle later in the year. It seemed like with Cooper. When Cooper got on there and he said that one of the games, I guess I think it was Seattle and he was I immediately thought of Dez. I don't think he was thinking that way, but the

way he answered it was what why Cooper's goods? He was just like, you know, I got a guy in here that could run routes, he can run round and and I just thought, wow, you know, like you never had that before. Is that what you're saying? But that's just being like cynical, don't say what he was saying, but he was. He was really saying, this guy can run routes and understands the offense, and you know he's here for six a lot in that statement. Yeah, And

that's and and Dens was never that way. I mean, that's we know that route running wasn't his best thing, and the grasp of the offense, even after eight or nine years, wasn't his his you know strength, he would go up and get the football. And when those skills diminished to the point where he wasn't just out athleting people all the time, then like that word athleting out athlete, that's I remember. It always would tweet that I'm just

better than you. Like that's what des would go up and just make it I'm just better than you type of play against the Saints a Cup a few years ago, and it was just going off on. You know, I remember, Um, he's gonna get a ring Desmond, Yeah, he probably is.

I It's it's very deep in here. My my friend Robert Mays who works for The Ringer, wrote an interesting story for them this morning about, um, the Cowboys season, and I mean the theme of the story is basically, yeah, the run to ten and six was a lot of fun, but did it set the Cowboys back in terms of a lot of fans that think, yeah, no apps and and and it's I think it's a very fair article.

I would encourage anybody to go read it. Um. But he made some interesting points about Dak and DeMarcus Lawrence and Jason Garrett, Uh just kind of talk about we were what we were talking about is where do you

go from here? There were some guys on the fan, Yes I think it's been in skin and they were talking about a similar thing and their argument was, um, when when a team, when this team has had this kind of success, Um, their their contention was they tend to get a little more conservative because they say, we're so close, don't change anything, like, don't don't make the big change. You can't take a step backwards to take

two steps forward. You just stick with what you're doing because you're so close, as opposed to, hey, we're this close, let's get aggressive and really do something that we think can shake it up and take us over the top. And and their contention was they tend to be the more conservative of that, and because of that, that was their belief as to why this team hasn't been able to push above that say about but are we talking

about coaches? I think because they were talking about coaches, So yes, that's I think that's really what they need to be said, or whoever is talking about that needs to be saying, is about the coaches. Because this Jerry has shown that when he feels like his team is young and he's right there, he'll take chances personnel wise. You know, when he thought that team was young, TiO could help them, He thought Charles Hayley could help them.

He even thought in two thousand and eight, you know what, I've got such a good team that the pac Man Jones and Taint Johnson's of the world can help. He gets aggressive personnel wise, but not what they're saying about coaching. But take I mean, there's a reason why you get an extra mini camp in the off season when you have a new coach. It's because you're kind of starting backwards, and I mean you got to start over again. I don't know if that would make sense to do that,

But think about the flip side of that. They were at three and five this year and what did they do. One of the changes they made was they changed their position coach, and that doesn't happen very often in the season. I would suspect if they were five and three, they

would not have done that. And so it's like, if you can do that in moments when things are desperate, then maybe you should consider it sometimes when things are going really well, if you still see this one area that if you change this one area, if you can get more production out of this one area, yeah, maybe again, maybe you do have to take that's back. But we sound like arguing. But I think four people it would would say that they need a new offensive coordinator. Right.

I don't mean to speak for anyone. I'm saying it. I think you need an offensive order. So if that's what we're saying, yes, I agree in this instance you think this, actually absolutely, I said it after the game. When's the last time a team went to the divisional round and both coordinators would be changed? I think both coordinators will be changed. Honestly, Well, let's move on to let's move on to that. I'm not not on that. You don't That wasn't me. I'm not on that. You

don't have to. Don't hurt me, Rod, Right, you don't have to, you don't hurt me. All I'm saying is is that I would keep I mean, I have it. What would you do? Flip? Do you? Can you really do that? Where you will? You just say, Rod, you're no longer the defensive coordinator. Now you are just the defensive line coach and run game. I don't know that. That's not my first conversation. My first conversation was with Richard. I'm not to say what. Well, let's talk, I mean,

what what what works for you right now in this situation. Okay, let's assume he says I want to be the DC. I'm that helps me get closer to being a head coach Ad Jerry. Wow, if I'm Jerry, you are the DC. That's my first conversation. Okay, then I'm moving on to Rod. And what are you gonna say to Rod? He's the DC, so pick a choice, Like there are a lot of titles out there, what do you want? You also say, you said two weeks ago you do whatever it took to keep christ Rah Shard in Dallas. This is what

it took. What it took I mean, and I honestly I'm not sure that. I'm not sure if that all played out like that, and I think there probably should be a little bit more tactful way of doing. But but but I do think if all that came about, I don't know that. I think that Marinell is so caught up on himself and his own ego that he would say I wouldn't give up the DC title and and not be here just to not just to prove

a point. Yeah, let me let me backtrack on that a little bit, because that we're being you know, facetious here. I do think you need to keep Chris Richard. I want to keep him happy. And Rod Marinelli should understand that because that's kind of what they did we talked about that's what they did when Kiffin was the guy and all that, not pushing out and outstanding defensive coach out the door. I think he can work together here.

There's different titles. We see it passing game coordinators, assistant head coach. Maybe Marinelli's the assistant head coach. There's different ways to do you think that if that was to happen, that affects their relationship? You don't think so. That's a good question, But I do not think so. I'm not think that. Yeah, I don't think that. I'm not worried about it. For two, I could not be less worried

about it. One. Rod Marinelli has proven himself to be a pretty selfless guy, and like Ego ruined so many relationships among the football coaches, it doesn't seem to be there. Matt Eberflus called the plays for this defense last year like he's made it, Like he's not He's not the guy that has to get the credit like that. Clearly, that seems very clear to head coach and Joe Eberflus, Yeah, no date interview he got. I think he interviewed in

Cleveland maybe, uh, and Chris, he'll get there. He'll then he's definitely Chris Rashard has been doing it this year, like nobody's really tried to keep it a secret. Like I think Rod Marinelli just wants to coach be he wants to be in a football environment and coach defenders, specifically pass rushers, Like that's his That's like why he gets out of bed in the morning. And I think if phelip min is what he's yeah, and if he gets to do that, I don't think he really cares.

And and you know, you can, you can give somebody a title or tweak some titles. Also the other thing, you know, not trying to be mean. I think the world of him. Chris Rashard doesn't have leverage anymore. Like the jobs he was interviewing for are filled, so the Cowboys don't have to do anything. They don't have to do anything. Well well maybe, I mean if one of these jobs is an opportunity, then you might have to worry about that, right, But maybe I'm not saying that

it does. That hiring cycle is over. I mean, you're talking like it's almost February in college, like you're about to start playing spring ball. Yeah, so I mean maybe, but but I think I think, out of respect for him and appreciation of everything he's done, I think the Cowboys want to do right by him. I'm just saying the coach the head coaching jobs that he was up for have been filled so that most of his leverage has gone to no calendar offer here, Noah, I mean,

and where to be a DC. No, the Cowboys don't have to less something. Unless something falls through with the Dolphins, then that's probably done. So. But that's also the interesting part about this is you can you can say that he doesn't have the leverage, but you also don't want to create bad will with him, because right bad will then it becomes a situation where as soon as he is available to leave, it's almost impossible to keep. And that's why I think Jerry's going to take care of him.

I think it's gonna be effortless. It seems like him and him and Marinelli appear to have a really great relationship, and I just it's not something that I'm going to spend a lot of time worrying about. I mean, we talk about titles all the time, about any new GM or whatever. People say that you know, and I think everyone one knows who the acting GM on a day

to day basis is. I mean, yes, Jerry does his stuff, but Will McClay is, you know, it's kind of a right hand man with him and to him and Stephen, So they they they figure out ways to like massage titles. What's his title, Chris Richard? Uh, it's passing defensive backs coach and passing game quassa specifically cornerbacks coach because Greg okay, he's the passing game coordinator. We've seen the everyone's seen

the clip. What's the safety? Everyone has seen the clip of him going off on Sean Lee and Layton Vanderesh. What do you think he's talking about? What was killing the team? Was? It was it past defense? Right? So just by that you can kind of see who the defensive coordinator really is. I mean he was he was going off on two linebackers about the way that they're

playing the run that hadn't given up a pass. Yeah, So, I mean I think it's really clear that he's the you know, defensive coordinator and he it was calling plays at the time. In two or three weeks, Cowboys pr is gonna send out an email and christ Shard's gonna have a new title under his name, and they're not going to tell us anything about his contract terms. But well then somebody two three weeks, Yeah, when's the story

break like tomorrow? Well yes, good point, the story will break while you're in Orlando and then the email will come out of two or three weeks. That that video the showing right now, he's addressing the entire defense, like on the sideline, He's addressing the entire defense, and that would be in the That was not the Arizona I mean that was Rod. Looked Rod was on the bench, looked like he had the grease board. He was probably talking to the past Rush sixty five. I don't know, Ringo. No,

that clip was probably while a game. That was not definitely was who's the guy with the dress? I saw a team in the background. It looked like they had on red jersey, but I don't know. It wasn't Rams. That clip was clearly at and T Stadium. Any any chances there were cuss boards in there? I don't know like that. Maybe he was just saying, I love what we're doing today, guys, but we could be doing it better. Come get a hug after the game. I just I don't I don't worry about that at all. I Oh, yeah,

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need a few weeks of shows for that. Yeah, we'll do that later on in the meantime. From Ray Thomas Done. Hello, Hello guys, Hello man. All right, Um, I wouldn't mind christ By Shards the defensive coordinator, but it needs to be his system. I mean I wanted to change his offensive coordinator. Nikki're right, there's nothing wrong with fresh respective. I mean, just bringing everybody back and doing the same

isn't working. There's nothing wrong with change. I was kind of disappointed you You you talk about Jerry's radio show. He also he dismissed the rams notion that they knew it was coming, basically blamed it on footwear. Really, four quarters and you had a problem with footwear, Who's who's responsible for that? That's the coach. If if they knew to see, if they if his rams are right and

they knew what was coming, that's coaching. So now if we don't know, there's other reasons that Garrett's the head coach here now. Be to be fair, we don't know how good better he could be on a different under different climate, in a different environment on another team. So there's that. But my biggest issue was this offensive coordinator position and just saying I mean, it was kind of funny he says there's no change, just Garret did. And then here he comes the real people in charge, like Steve,

you know, like Steven say, well that's too early. I mean, something has to change. I mean just saying, oh, we just bring everybody back and doing the same. It hasn't It hasn't worked right, right me just ask you this, And it's been a while since you've called, so it's good to hear your voice again, But um, can you do if Jason Garrett has a couple of guys in mind, then they may make a change. They're they're thinking that out. And he gets a radio show and he says, what

are they gonna do at the offensive coordinator? And you're still a ways away from making that. He did not say that Scott Linehan's coming back. He's saying, right now, we don't anticipate any changes right now, we don't anticipate any changes. But what else can he say at that moment? Steven answered it differently, but I'm I don't think he said, oh, definitely, Scott's coming back. He was amazing. He said, well, right now, I don't anticipate that. He had to give himself some ounts.

You're You're right, I'm not saying that that's what was he said that was going to be the issue here. But I just kind of hope there is a change. Nothing against sky Linehan, but there's nothing wrong with fresh perspective. Your point is just you want to see a change, boss of what everybody saying. You want to see a change. That's the point, right, And you're so many people with a different system. I mean, you say you said, I don't know if Mike McCarthy would come in here as

an offensive coordinator. I don't know, but if he, if he hypothetically, if he was developing, he would take the job. He's an upgrade. I'm sorry, he's an upgrade. Whatever you want to say about this coaching style at Green Bay, he's an upgrade. He has skins on the wall. It's a different system. Or whoever you want to bring in here. Just get a bit of different set of assist the different system in here as far as you know. Because Dak, Dak's best game was a Jaguars game, rpo him to death. Teams.

He's a solid quarterback. He's never gonna be the kind of guy. Did you want to throw it about forty or fifty times? And that's basically what the RAM said. Go ahead, Dak, if you can beat this passion, go ahead and do it. The problem with the problem was we didn't. In my view, we're having been using Dak to his best, to his best potential. All right. We appreciate the call, and I agree with everything he said. I can't think of one thing he said that's every

one thing. Go ahead, because I don't I personally don't think that it's hard for me to see a scenario where Mike McCartney is a great fit. And the reason why is because if you're saying that, if you're saying that this offense or that the offense needs to be catered to Dak, guess what, that's not what Mike McCarty has been doing for the last however many years, Like he's been dealing with a quarterback that can take you apart with his arm. That's not what Dak's strength is.

So to me, if you're going to change out the offensive coordinator, I think you want to be looking for someone who is called an offense whether the skill of the quarterback are very different than the skills of the quarterback that McCarthy's been dealing with in Green Bay. That says nothing about Mike McCarthy as a coach. Oh well, great coach. I just think you got to find somebody that fits for this quarterback if you're gonna make that change.

I agree with everything y'all just said. I agree with Ray's overall point, but it's the classic case of like one man's trash being another man's treasure, because go check in with what people in Green Bay think about that offense and how much they underachieved with what I think most people would agree is the best quarterback in football. Yeah, and so I can't say he's a definite upgrade, and I certainly don't think he's the right guy to work

with a twenty five year old mobile quarterback. He's made it clear he's taking the year off, He's probably got another year on that contract, and he's getting paid for it. You know that happens a lot. You get fired and they're like, all right, you're still gonna pay unless you get the right opportunity. Right, that's the whole thing. It has to be the perfect opportunity. You might as well

just sit out right. I mentioned I mentioned that story from The Ringer this morning earlier, and I remember one of the stats from it was that, according to next Gen stats, Zeke Zeke was run right into an eight or more man box on like forty or forty one percent of his carries against the rams. They were just

charging right into a load of fix is. Yeah, and you're saying it wasn't running outside, it was running between the tackles, right, forty one percent of the time right against an eight man box, right, I mean, I think it goes goes back to what we said on Mondays. You could you could call it stubbornness or arrogance, whichever word you prefer. I think they're kind of similar there.

But yeah, I just think there's a philosophical disconnect between what these guys want to call and what might actually work. You know what I'd want to know, and I'd want to know throughout the season, particularly in games as they won, how often they did that and how often and this is gonna did with this would take a ton of research, but how often they did that in the second half and it worked in games where in the first half

it didn't. Because Yeah, the reason why I'm saying that is because when you start thinking about it from that perspective, you call plays based upon history, you call plays based upon I know, let's say, for example, that that played out like that that this season when they won games in the first half, they do it, and they would stop, stop, stop, stop stop. By the second half, that turned into a four yard run, they turned into an eight yard run,

whatever the case might be. And so in the play call is mine, he's thinking, you just gotta stay consistent with it, because that no over time it works. That is like a philosophical debate. I don't know how to answer it. Like analytics people, that's their nightmare. And then there's the old school football coaches who are like, this works, and we've seen it work for the Cowboys a million times. We've also seen situations like the Seattle game. Literally, I

mean the Seahawks one who established the run too. Pete Carroll's the only guy in the league who's as obsessed with the run as the Cowboys are. And the front super Bowl on well, good point, but they rammed their faces into a brick wall forty times in that game when Russ I mean, let's be honest, Russell Wilson was killing them when he was throwing the ball and they're just like, no, nah, that's okay because it's gonna pop eventually. And it never popped. And that's the risk you run

when you're committed to that. And it works when you're Seattle in Week three and the opposing offense is so inept that you can average to two point nine yards per carry and it doesn't matter. It's not always going

to work. Definitely not when you're playing a thirteen and three team with a great offense, and by the way a team that's took two weeks, by the way, they didn't play, so they had two weeks to really look at everything you do and to be able to say, here's how we want to think we can attack that. It beat that. I don't want to give the Cowboys a pass for all the stuff that came out of the Rams locker room about you know, there's you don't want to be predictable, and I get that, and you

can coach that better. I think I think NFL teams are really good at this though. I think that's pretty normal. Like I think it's pretty normal to like, you know, Doug Baldwin talked about it after the first Cowboys game. He's like, we've got two guys whose jobs it is to just watch the opposing sideline and figure out their signals, and usually by the second half, we've got a pretty good read on it. Like that's that's part of the game.

And by the way, you give a team two weeks to be able to look at film, they'll find probably a lot more. And that's one of the reasons why I think that when you when you talk about coaches that are innovative and know how to create different kinds of game plans. I think those coaches are even better

in the playoffs. I think that's one of the reasons why Belichick has had so much success in the postseason is because when you give them two weeks to be able to prepare for an opponent, their ability to be able to come up with a game plan that's custom

built for this particular opponent. You think about the Rams, they did everything that they typically don't do in that game, and I would suspect the reason that they did it is because as they were looking through and really taking time to dive into the Cowboys, they saw some things that say, we can exploit this, We can exploit that

running game. Maybe they went back and looked at that Indianapolis game and said, we see some things here that even though running isn't necessarily the top priority of what we do, we can we can have a lot of success there. Again, don't understand why it hasn't really been mentioned, but Suaphilo, like was he hurt? You know, like why didn't he play? Because they ran the ball better with him. I mean, they ran the ball better during the season when Suaphilo was in there healthy. Now, if he wasn't

that's one thing. But he was what he was active. I just I know he was active, but I just assume, but was the like good enough to be playing the whole game? Well, and that's the same like you could have him active as a backup in case of emergency, you know. Yeah, That's that's what I'm saying. And that's what I'm curious to see because you know, they you know, it's very convenient, and I'm sure you play your best players in the playoffs. I get it, but it's very

convenient now going into the season. You know, who would they want? They want their second round pick to be a starter. That's that's why you drafted him. But I mean, Suaphilo was was better when he was healthy. And I'm curious to see how this whole thing is gonna play out.

Yeah there, because what if Frederick does come back and and Jason made some pretty you know, there's something comments there about how he's getting better and he's starting to get his strength back a little bit, So that's good signs for Frederick Looney. There are conversations to be had about what that offensive line is going to look like next year. Looney needs to be in contention for starting position.

If if Suaphilo and h Connor and they're all going to be battling for guard, Joe Looney needs to be battling for guard in my opinion. Yeah, I don't know if he will. I know nothing. I one percent could be wrong, and I'll admit it right here if I am. But like I just we're gonna we're gonna talk about Connor Williams's viability as a tackackle before before it's all said and done. And I think you should, especially if if Frederick comes back and now you really are thinking

about Looney at guard, I think you absolutely should. Wasn't there a guard also that the Cowboys put on Iry Marcus Marcus Martin, But I believe he's up. Yeah, he's free agent ANC one more but we can't, which I

think that's that was great. But on the other topic of coaching and scouting, the opposition to Jerry Jones, he made a good point but I kind of thought it was a damning point too in that interview because he said he was like, well, in ninety three or you know, after we won one of the Super Bowls, I went to the competition committee meetings, and everybody that we played was like we knew exactly what you were doing, Like we scouted everything, we knew based on how you lined up,

You're gonna do this. You can do that. We just couldn't stop you anyway, and that's great, which proves the point is, you know teams are going to do that and it won't necessarily stop you from executing. But it's not nineteen ninety two anymore, and you're probably not going to have that much of a talent edge in today's NFL, especially when you get to the playoffs, and that is why coaching matters. There, you go, well, we're about to end our show, but just to finalize it in real quick.

I hopefully this doesn't take too long, but let's give some predictions. We're out of the run. But it doesn't mean that we're gonna stop watching football this weekend or the following weekend. So this weekend, New England versus Kansas City. Who are you pigging rooting interests? I'm rooting for Kansas City. Kansas, Nick are you picking? I'm rooting for Kansas City. It's all the same at this point, I'm rooting for Kansas. No one cares about who you're rooting for you're rooting

for Texas. Who are you going to win? And I'm just sitting Okay, here's the deal. I don't watch those teams enough to be able to give a prediction, So I'm rooting for Kansas City. Yeah, well there you go, cheeze, all right, Kansas City. Um, he's a better football team and they'll win at home. I mean, it's their year, and I think the better football teams all year have been Kansas City and in New Orleans. You think, well, it's gonna affect them. Who either one both? They both

got to play in it. No, zero degrees. Nothing would make me happier than a Saints Chiefs Super Bowl. It would. I mean, as a football fan, it would be exciting. I'm from New Orleans. I would love to see the Saints win. First. The Patriots are just like they're a dragon. I'll believe that they're gone when they're gone, because they've been in the last two. They've been in four of

the last five. Andy Reid has a bad I mean I know he won, they won last week, good for them, but he's got a bad record in the playoffs, bad record in big moments. I think the Pats will find a way to win. And honestly, this might just be my natural pessimism, but I want the Saints to win, and they played a close game with the Rams. I just I think it's going to be a Patriots Rams super Bowl. You know, the Saints to take out the Rams. Actually,

my rooting interested with the Rams. I'm really rooting fills two teams because I think a rematch at that game earlier this season, Rams Chiefs will be fun on a Super Bowl. Honestly, you can't the Saints Chiefs would be. I mean, the Saints beat the Rams at that same game, so they could play that same time. I can't, I get you, but I think it'll be a different game. I think it would be a little lower score game because I do think the Saints have a much better

defense than the Chiefs. To true, I think it'll be a much more wide open, pass happy The defenses will make some plays and like they did in that first game, there'll maybe some defensive scores. But I just think it'll be a wide open game. It'll be back and forth. I think the Saints, if they're there, I think their defense will be a lot better than I don't think you can go wrong. So there's four possible Super Bowls, right, I think they would all be great. I think radio

ratings are good. Yeah, you got you got teams in here that are all good teams, no doubt about it. Well, you have the one two in both conferences, right, and you're gonna have the MVP of the league, whoever that is. You're gonna have the Offensive Player of the year, whoever that is. And you're gonna have the defensive player of the year. I mean you have them right now, That's what I mean. Now, this is objectively, this is as good as a championship Sunday has been in a long time. Yeah,

I'm actually looking forward to watching. It can be fun even though we're not in it. One day show one day, I just saw some news come out that Cole Beasley just had another bait. Well he did, just had a new bat. Yeah, Jovi Carter Beasley, that's their third. Yeah. I didn't even realized she was again this just in this price tag just went up a little bit more because three kids. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. We'll be back next Wednesday at eleven a m.

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