Cowboys Break: First Grade?

twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number three. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break Life and Nest WBC Mortgage Studios. At the started day, we're talking draft. We're gonna get you guys ready these next few shows, get you ready for draft. It's happening later this month into the month actually, and I know Dave's been doing a lot of work on that in his his appearances on the Draft Show. Nick, I'm sure he is writing lots of great articles and Hamberg's getting a lot of stuff

ready for somost. So we got a lot of information that we were gonna digest that we're gonna give you, guys for you to digest over the next few weeks getting ready for the Cowboys Draft. Here in late April, how's everybody doing today? Great? Good? Wow, that was loud. Sorry, Yeah, I'm a little confused about something. So I'm glad we're talking draft because I do have a question. You want to throw it out there, Let's let's get it out

there in the open, right. Typically when you have a question, it takes up like twenty five minutes of the show. So yeah, let's get into it. I mean, it's just about it. And one of the names that has been one of the most popular names when it comes to the Cowboys in their first pack at twenty four is a center, Tyler under Bomb. But uh yeah, I guess I haven't really studied much about him or learned much about like can he play other positions? You know, why

is that name? Why is this center? And I know, Nick, it's kind of gearing tours the change of or let's say, an upgrade at center, but just in general, like me personally, I don't see that as the biggest necessity on the oh line. But why is the name like that a center being so popular for the Cowboys right now? Because centers not a position that's typically valued heavily in the draft. You know, Travis Frederick was drafted thirty first overall, and

people thought it was a bad pick. People tend to think you can find a good center later in the draft. So when a center comes along that has really good pedigree, like a surefire first round pick, that's kind of rare. Tyler Linderbaum dominated at Iowa. You won the Remington Trophy, which is what they give to the best center in college football. His tape is outstanding. Again, like it's it's rare to have a draft class where you're like, this center is going to go in the first round, Like

that doesn't happen very often. And I tend to agree with you. I think I think Tyler beotis kind of, in my opinion, is kind of a convenient scapegoat, like he's certainly he's not Travis Frederick. I think we've talked about this before, like they could upgrade the position. But I do agree with you that there are bigger problems, namely right now left guard. In my opinion, but I just think people see they're basically we weren't very good

at center. There's a great center in the draft. He kind of fits into the range of where the Cowboys pick, and it just makes sense. How much do you think this offensive line going from what it was when they were at their peak here a few years ago to where they are now is about the fact that they know along a half of Travis Frederick and maybe getting a dominant, more dominant center maybe makes gets them back to that area. Yeah, I hate to be a buzz kill a few years ago. I mean they were at

their peak in twenty sixteen. I mean that's feeling like ancient history at this point. Yeah, I think having it we're in another building, believe it or not. Yea, having an all pro center, yes, huge, Travis Frederick is vastly underrated. Tyrn Smith was a lot healthier back then. Ron Leary was the best left guard of the era that I've covered the team probably and all of those things tie together. Sorry, Nick,

I didn't cut you off. No, I think it's true. Yeah, I think that Frederick that's a big part of it. And then also, like you said, Tyrn Smith being injured us I think a bigger issue. But anytime you got a guy that's making the line calls there, anytime you got a guy making the line calls, I think that's going to be the biggest issue. Is the fact that like just they don't have the continuity that they had before, and I think, be honest, has got a lot of issues.

Strength is one of them. And then just just kind of understanding the game as a young player, and you know, not everybody did it as smoothly as Frederick does. Do you think that? And I know we've talked about this in previous weeks, but to Amber's point, do you think that maybe the reason why the Cowboys would consider, if they really are considering a center that high, is because they feel like if you get a more dominant center, it helps your left guard problem. And maybe Connor mcgovernment

becomes viable at that point. I don't know, maybe not, but I'm just saying maybe that's the way they're looking at is you give me a dominant center, maybe my left guard becomes a little less of a problem. I think you can apply that to either spot. Really, I mean, Zion Johnson and Kenyan Greener names you're going to hear a lot too if you haven't already. They're arguably the best guards in this class. I think one of them

could make Tyler Beotish look a lot better. But yeah, I mean making the calls and again I learned this from Brian Broadus, Like just go watch tape of Travis Frederick or any like great center and the way that they are able to cut a defense in half by holding the point of attack in the middle. It's invaluable. You don't like, you take linebackers out of the play.

You cut off a lot of backside tackles. I think they missed that tremendously and that Yeah, identifying things before the snap, Tyler Linderbaum would make this team a lot better in a hurry, I think. I know. I said I didn't think Beotish was a big problem, but I do think that would be an upgrade. Yeah, Which that's the thing about the draft too. You kind of want to be in a position where you can draft players.

I'll just make you better, not necessary. I got to feel holes, and that's why you would hope going into the draft they don't have a lot of glaring holes. Why we're just making eyeball emojis at the left guard spot right now, Like, what the hell's going on? Right? I mean, if you ever ever you remember that one center that wasn't very smart, neither that doesn't happen. The good centers are the ones that understand the game. They

understand what's happening before it even gets there. So I think that that's also invaluable too, just to have a guy that knows kind of what the defense is trying to do and they can get everybody in order. I mean, Mark Stavnoski wasn't the best center. I mean it wasn't the best player on that little lines, but he was kind of the anchor there because he kind of you know, keeps it, keeps it all going and under and gets everybody kind of in position to see what's happening next.

All right, to your point and why you were taught talking about, you know, having someone that can help the guy next to you, I mean I think would you rather have that person be in the center or would you rather have that person be the guy that's on guard playing guard in a scenario where maybe a guy like Tyrn Smith goes out at some point, then you have, you know what I mean, like who's then at left tackle at that point? And how much like you know,

who would be more? Where is the experience the most beneficial within the old line? And to me, I wouldn't say it's centered right now. Well, but here's the issue. What I think it still comes back to is and Dave, you mentioned a couple of guards. Is Linda Round better than those guards? If he's better than those guards, I don't want the Cowboys going into a draft saying, what, we really need a guard, so let's pass up a better center in order to get a lesser guard just

because we think we need a guard. I think take the better player, which is again why I don't think it's ever a good idea to go into the draft with glaring holes, because you got holes, then you got just feel the whole, and you take a lesser player sometimes than taking the better player. Okay, I was just taking they have not. So it does as Dave was saying, you got those big guys looking might not look guard like that, looks like a glaring holder. They don't. They

don't even think like that. They don't even think about this year's team. I think they're looking at it. Who's the better player in three years? Who's going to be the better player or the center or this guard or this tackle. Honestly, I mean we're forgetting the tackles, but I think I think if they're if if it's all equal, if there's a guard, a center, and a tackle that are all sitting there that are equal. I think they

take the tackle. I don't know how much that helps you this year, But they don't always look at it that way. Yeah no, and that's Karti Wood because if he doesn't win, he's probably not the coach. Yeah right, But I don't think they look at it that way. That's that's good in a vacuum, that's what they should do. But that's what makes this so weird is they haven't done They're not They have not done things they need

to do to make this team viable. Like if they would, it's small practice to go into a draft like, man, we better come out of here with one of these guards. But that's what it looks like right now. Their options are a seventh round pick and a guy that they benched when they gave him a chance last year, and they're the only swing tackle right now is a fourth round pick who didn't play a snap. And it's cool.

McCarthy mentioned Matt Farniac and Josh Ball by name when we asked him about it last week at the owner's meetings. But the great Bradsham it left a big impression on me. He once said, hope is not a strategy, and hoping that those guys look great during the season because they're out here working out doesn't make me feel any better.

I don't know about anybody else. You think they have a different opinion of McGovern than what they have shown or telling us, perhaps, But what they've shown is that they gave him a chance and then they benched him for guy that had no future being here, Right, that's point they've shown. They've not shown us they haven't trust in him, But the fact that they haven't signed anybody, maybe they're showing us that they maybe do have some

trust in him. Dead guys that are out there aren't better, right. Actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words. I mean, yeah, they gave him a shot, and it may for what Nick just said, it makes all the sense in the world to leave him in there, and they didn't. So and maybe maybe they're right, maybe the guys available aren't better. But we all really saw it with Terrence Steele when everybody thought he was terrible, they kept him in there, so we know they've done it.

I have a different and they kept doing it because they had faith. They gave him the hook. They were like, no, thank you, We'll go back to the other honor. I do kind of think that's the way they look at Beadiest a little bit. I think they look at him like Terren Steele. I think they think he's an ascending player. I think that's what they believe. But I get like, that's honestly, that's fine with me. Like I do not think Tyler is the I don't think he's this problem

that must be fixed right now. Like I said, lender Bomb's there and you feel good about it, do it. But I'm not one of these people that's like, they gotta come out of this draft with Tyler under bomb. But I'm sitting here right now thinking, like, man, it might be kind of dicey for y'all if you don't find a way to get a guard with one of your first two picks. But sometimes, though, you do have to look at the entire class, look at it and go all right, if we want to get a guard

and a center, we get linderbaumb here at center. He's better than Beyondest and he plays immediately. If we get a guard here and we want to get a center later, that we're just getting another another Farniac or be honest in the fourth or fifth round, and then we're trying to figure you know what I mean. So if they might look at it and go guard, we could probably still get a guard in the second, third, or fourth

round that could compete with McGovern. If we don't get the center here, that we're not going to get one. That's a good point. Yeah, And that's all the fine points of drafting that you don't really think about when you're just looking at it in a vacuum, like, well, you gotta make this pick here, and you gotta make this pick here. There's a bigger picture to it, and there's a story there. I mean, Bill Parcels did it

in the second round. He wanted Jason Witten, but he didn't take him because he didn't he thought they were way more tight ends available. There's not another center. He took Al Johnson, Yeah, and stayed. He ripped the door off. He was practiced about it and so but he ended up getting him in the third round and he turned anywhere, turned out to be a good player. And now he's out of mur and Al Johnson is a Johnson? Where is Al Johnson? Al Johnson is coaching Division two football.

We believe in East Central University in Oklahoma. Good stuff. He's had two years and he's been a pretty good coach there. Head coach, head coach Division two football, Al Johnson. Yeah, let it go. All right, here's what we're gonna do. Uh. I figured today what I wanted to do on the topic of draft is I want to go back and look at the last five years of drafts because I think there's a lot of you know, I think the general consensus around media types and fans is at the

Cowboys draft pretty well. But I do think when you look at it in isolation, I think there are some glaring misses, and I think sometimes fans will look at that and they'll be like, man, that just sucks, and they're not really thinking about the totality of what they did in each year. So what I did was I went back and I looked at all of the picks for the last five years. I put them in categories

by the round that they were drafted in. And I'm gonna talk to you guys, and I want to get your opinions on first like, what would you expect from a player selected in this round? And then do you think the Cowboys met it in each of these in the in the last five years. With the picks that they've made, that all makes sense. Yep, all right, bet So here's the first round. Let's talk first about Michael Parson's last year Ceedee, Lamb, Layton, Vander esh Tackle Charlton.

Those were the first round picks for the last five years. Cowboys did not have a pick in the first round the year that they got Tristan Hill in the second round. That being said, what do you expect from a first round pick? And do you think overall when you look at that class of guys, do you think that they've met that expectation. I don't have to use my opinion.

I know what teams think, and so a guy that you draft in the first round depending on again, and I got to remember too, like the way teams approach the draft is so much different than the way we talk about it. Pick twenty is not obviously, it's not the same as pick one. Pick eight's not the same as pick seventeen. Like, most teams have fifteen to twenty first round grades on players, so that matters too. So if you're a top of the first round grade pick

one through probably pick ten where Michael was drafted. You're supposed to be an immediate impact player and like a long term difference maker, just a regular old first round grade potential building block player and a first year starter. So if you look at that in that vacuum, Mike Ka checks the box CD again. Maybe people thought he was grade at higher than he wound up being taken. But where you take a guy seventeenth, first year starter,

potential building block absolutely Layton vander Esh, that's tricky. I mean that he looked like it. He absolutely looked like that, and it hasn't turned out to be the case. It's worth note to his credit that they got four years of starting ability out of him, but for where he was taken and where he was and where it wound up going, I think it's fair to call that disappointing. And then obviously Taco is just the worst miss of the Will McClay era. There's no other way to phrase it. Yeah, yeah,

I don't know about that. I mean, I mean your twenty eighth overall pick. I mean, who's worse. Well, I mean what they did the next year was just as bad, don't you think. I mean Tristan Hill yeah, I mean Cooper. Amari Cooper is what I'm talking about. They traded for Amari Cooper and then they didn't even resign him and keep him a long term Your first round pick played three years. That's a bus. That's just like Taco Charlton, and it costs you twenty million dollars to do it.

If you're gonna spend your first round pick and go get Amari Cooper, he'd better be a guy that you keep long term, not because your offensive coordinators not throwing him the ball and it doesn't work out, and he's kind of quiet and doesn't have the same ra ra attitude, so let's get rid of him. Like, I mean, that's a bus as big as anybody else as far as I'm concerned. That's your first round pick. And I look

at it very simple. If you're not going to give him a fifth year option, that shows kind of what they think. Taco wouldn't even hear Layton didn't get a fifth year option. We'll see about CD. I mean, I think i'd be hard pressed. I think he doesn't, right, I would think probably he will. He's on track for it. But that's why I look at it like and I

think seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen. The guys that were in those first round picks or traded for are they didn't get first round options, and it just backed into Layton because his price went so low they weren't playing on keeping him. But he's here. I just disagree in the sense. I mean, Amari Cooper was everything he was advertised to be. He came in and saved that season. He made their passing attack one of the most explosive in the league for the time that he was here. They liked him

enough to sign him to the extension. Remember they traded for him, not they were like, we're gonna get like eighteen games out of this guy. We don't, I mean, we don't know what his long term future is. They gave him the deal, and it's it is a purely Cowboys decision that he's not here. It's not that he wasn't good enough, right but right. That's why when I say it was a bust, he's not a bust. Yeah,

I'm talking. I'm talking to the cow You're saying the Cowboys wasted the first round was the number we heard over and over and over when they trade it for him. Twenty four that was the number. He's only twenty four, ye twenty seven, and he's playing one and they got a fifth round pick for him, So that to me does not look like a good a good move. And they're in cap hell because of some of the moves

that they made to get him. I mean, so I just don't I don't want to just gloss over that one and say, well that year, I hear you, and I just I mean, look, I think it's asinine that he's not on this team. And the fact that they were trying trying to trade for DeVante maybe not trying

to trade, they were interested in trading for DeVante Parker. Yeah, they who cost a third round pick and had like a seven million dollar cap hit, so like obviously less but you're interested in doing all that for a receiver when you just already had a guy who, by the way, his salary already looks less imposing than it used to because like three new guys have signed deals since he got traded. Stefan Diggs is a twenty four million dollar player. Now,

by the way, I think it's ridiculous. But having said all of that, and another, by the way, what have you done with the money that you say, Mmm, interesting, I still say, Taco Charlton just signed with his fifth team. He's a Saint now. Yeah, he has eleven and a half career sacks. He's never he started seven career games, like he was the worst decision objectively than Amari Cooper in my opinion, many does Gregory have like seventeen. I'll just laugh at it because I mean, he still has

eleven sacks. Ye, Like, I'm not saying he's a good player, and I have said it a thousand times. If his name was John Charlton, he would have been a fourth round pick. I just think I believe that. I don't think that matters. Doesn't Nick tell me that doesn't matter. I think, Please tell me that doesn't. I don't think. I don't know if he would have been a fourth round but I I think that just got the novelty

of a guy named Taco. Guy named Taco, let's get him, Like you really think that's the way it goes, Which is funny because I think his real name is cooler than the name Tacos Dante. Yeah, oh no either God, And sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that covers this team. No offense, we stick you stick to

the final. Nobody knew his name was Rained Dakota until he started making plays like if this fair, you know, if he would have been a backup and right, we would all know he could be like his real name's not dak Yeah, maybe I'm just a nerd for the details. Well, no, you should be in your job and your role. You need to be. We don't. Oh no, just I mean, I I just think that's objectively a worse decision because Amari Amari gave this franchise a lot in my opinion anyway.

I mean, he helped them get to two playoff appearances. What also that decision worse is the fact that they wanted a pass rusher they took him. There's been another pass rusher that's been Defensive Player of the year. That's a That's a great point too, because it's it isn't why it's not fair to be like, you know, you can't just look at any great player and be like, oh, Gavin Escobar could have been Levi on Belts, like they didn't need a running back. They never would have done that.

They were looking at pass rushers that year they brought Watt into their building. He absolutely could have been their pick, and they screwed it up, all of them. I'm not singling anybody out, and they just they all have to wear that. I do think though, it has to be pointed out. The defensive scheme that he plays in Pittsburgh, it's a very different kind of scheme than what they're running here. So it does make you wonder change it that, right, but maybe so all I'm saying is I do think

that has to be pointed out. Whether you believe it would have made a difference or not, that's a whole different conversation, but it's something that should be pointed out. The twenty sack players are scheme independent in my opinion, Like, I refuse to believe a guy that's capable of tying stray Hand's record would be limited by whatever scheme he played in. I don't care. And if he would be, then nixt right, change it, Yeah, if he doesn't fit

your scheme, you know. Also, though, to be fair, like if he if he was projected as that guy, he wouldn't have been picked thirty fifth. Yeah, so everybody thought that he was a little less defensive ends in the twenties for the Cowboys, haven't really panned out the irony. They don't pan out a lot like That's Spencer though, wasn't bad. No, he wasn't bad. Hits at end after about pick sixteen. I mean they happen, They definitely happen, but they're hard to come out they are. Yeah, anyway,

were you bust say something him? Yeah, I was gonna say that. Going back to your initial question to me, all those guys are pretty easy to say whether they were a bust or no, you know, like it was there paid good or not. You know, we talked about

Taco Charlton, Amari Cooper, Ceedee lamb U, Mica Parsons. But the one that thinking about it does get interesting, and the only reason is because you're not We're having a conversation yesterday and you brought up this point about late in Vanderesh is how bad was he or how good was he? When you really look at who was surrounding him? A guy like Jalen Smith, like could Layton actually been a lot better than what he actually was had he

had some other different kind of support around him? And I think that's where that question for him specifically gets a little interesting. If you look at if you look at it that way, and it makes me really wonder, like you guys's opinion on that. Do you think he would have turned out to be a different player than what he was or husband had he had someone different around him? What was his worst year? This last year? Oh? You think it was his worst year? And I'm asking

what do you think was his worst year? Because I mean there was a lot of injuries there in between the best year, which was his first year, and this last year, which I thought he better this year and he'd been playing the years before that, so to me, but I think a lot of that was sold. There was so many injuries and just like, I don't know if he ever really kind of got all the way back.

What point you're making. Are you saying better players around him have made him would have made him play better? Or are you saying maybe better players around him limited him from playing better? You know, because I mean last year he had his best linebacker since he's been here, was Micah Parsons next to him. Yeah, And I didn't think he had a bad year. Again, I thought he was better last year than he was the years before.

The couple of years before that, he he didn't have a great year, in my opinion, or like a good year, but he was better in the fact that you're not watching the game and saying all the time, at least for me, God, look at Laton like he's always late for this tackle or that you know, like, yes, he's had this moment last year, but it wasn't I feel like, at least compared to the year before as bad as

that one. So yes, Mica maybe elevated his game a little bit, but also previous years and what did Daylon Smith do for him? I don't. I don't think I buy that because top twenty picks shouldn't need you're you're supposed to be a foundational player should Yeah, but it

should not. Yeah, but no, I just I think injuries robbed him of some of his explosiveness and maybe even some of his confidence in the sense that, I mean, you kind of got to throw yourself around to be a good linebacker, and he got hurt significantly two years in a row doing that. And I'm not saying like not like he was going half speed or anything or

like protecting himself. I'm not trying to say that, but he just didn't look as explosive or as confident in this last season as I remember him as a younger player, and I think that's one of the interesting things about Sean Lee. Shaun Lee had his mini injuries as anybody you can probably name, and probably the reason why I kept getting injuried because he never was willing to relent and kind of take a step back and kind of slow down a little bit, or he just always going

to be like running and gunning in whatever happens. And I don't know if that's normal for a lot of guys. In Shawn Lee is in my he's he's damn near or one of one, like maybe Witten, But like you know, fans want that guy that only cares about football and we'll put the team above everything. And we always joke that it's really not a realistic way to be about human beings. That was Sean Lee. Man. He really didn't care about anything other than being ane. That was from

the get go. I remember being on the train his rookie year going from Oxnard to San Diego for a preseason game and was supposed to go do an interview. This is going to his first preseason game. He's gonna go do an interview or something, and he was like kind of just he told the PR guys like, no, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing this because I'm focused on this game and I got to prepare, you know. I'm like, you're gonna play twelve snaps baby tomorrow, you know.

But he was just like, nah, that was from the very beginning. He was just football all the way. And you wish that that would have rubbed off on more people, you know. I mean, Jalen Smith was here when he was here, and I didn't rub off on him like that. I mean, that wasn't Jayalen. That wasn't the way it was. That was. That was why that's the whole snake Lee thing with Dez. Like Sean, he came out and said it.

He was like, yeah, I mean des and I butt head sometimes about me wanting him to be more committed to the craft or the team or whatever. And I mean that's why you visit all of that. Ancient. Leadership is a very tricky word, it really is, because people say it all the time. All he's a leader. A lot of times, the loudest guy in the room is the leader and also the one that all the younger players look to. But that doesn't mean he's leading you

in the right way. And so, I mean, I think Sean Lee certainly was um and I think Whitten was too. But you know, leadership you also have to be a badass player. You know, you can't just be an average player and over there barking signals and all that when everyone's like, what are you doing? Yeah, you mess it up. You're about to be a basketball He's on my desk.

How they posted up shun Lee? That's my desk and I got I've got a bigger picture on my wall too, of a guy that was a pretty good leader too. So what does it say about me that the guy on my cubicle walls for Rolando McClain, I don't know. Its okay, all right, we're gonna take our first break when we come back. I have one more question about these first round picks. I want to talk about Ceedee Lamb and I want to ask you guys a question.

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SWBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we're talking about the draft, and we're talking specifically about previous drafts, what the Cowboys have done over the last five years. We're talking about the first round. I have one more question for you guys about the first round. Where do you see Cede Lamb's ceiling? Because I think personally he has been a good wide receiver. I don't think he's taken that next

step to being great. Certainly hasn't gotten to the point where you're talking about him among the very best wide receivers in the NFL. Do you think his ceiling is a high? I think Cede Lamb is a victim of pre draft hype because if he was just the seventeenth overall pick. I'm looking at his numbers, one hundred and fifty three catches for two thousand yards and eleven touchdowns through two years. I mean that's objectively good. Yeah, objectively. But he was widely seen as the best receiver in

this class. In the twenty twenty class, the joke for years was our joke was team forty Burger. Then there was like the whole I can't believe the league messed up and let him fall to Dallas. How did this happen? Leagues dumb? And the Cowboys are great and a guy drafted behind him is having an objectively better career. I mean, justin Jefferson looks like the guy we thought CD Lamb and Jerry Judy would be. UM, so we always compare him to him. I mean always compare him to Jefferson.

He could compare him to Jalen Rager or Rugs or Judy or because the what so Judy, ruggs Lamb Rager all went off. So the fifth receiver in the class is objectively the best. I mean, that's why we compare him, because it's just like, well, the next is CD the next best of all those him? Yes? No, And that's My thing is like CD is having an objectively good career. It's just what he is compared to what people thought he would be. Like there is a guy doing what

we thought CD would be doing. But I mean, I mean, just I'm gonna throw this out there is justin Jefferson, Like is he really a great player? He's got great stats, but I mean he's on a team that puts up a lot of yards instead and a quarterback that will throw it. But I mean it's all hollow. I mean,

do they do anything, do they win anything. I'm just wondering, like, are we sure that he's not doing a lot of those Dak fourth quarter things where they just come back and he's got all these stats, and I mean, but we only compare him to Jefferson. No one compares them to Rager or Rugs or those other guys. I mean, I think he's been pretty good. He's just been He's been really good. And we'll see what happens with a

Maori not here and now he's the number one. But I just I don't I mean, because fifteen or eighteen teams missed on Jefferson, I don't think that it should factor on Ceedee Lamb. I think about five or ten teams missed on Lamb too. Yeah. No, I feel like we're saying the same thing, Ceedie. Lamb's having an objectively good career, justin Jefferson's having a better one. Yeah, and people thought that was what Lamb would do. And you can say it's hollow. I mean, it's not like CD's.

It's not like the Cowboys accomplishments in the same time span. They lost one wild card game. I mean the Vikings. I don't have their records right in front of me, but the Vikings have been in the conversation. Yeah, I mean they've been right there. It seems like they're a comparable team to the Cowboys. And they and I'll say this, I mean he's had the same situation as CD. He had a veteran route running guy on the other side that's getting a lot of yards and stats as well.

And and and Jefferson, like Jefferson just went to a team board had a premier running back. Yeah, yeah, they're running it is. I don't do anything, that's the thing I mean. And that's just my beef with cousins. So yeah, I just think he's I think Vikings fans would agree. Yeah, but but honestly, like you gotta turn and you turned the mirror around, there are a lot of Cowboys. Fans are thinking the same thing about the Cowboys right now.

They're just not they got a lot of talent. He's not turned into the kind of talent that I mean. They got a lot of people that that male Kiper and Todd McShay said, we're talent, you know. I mean, you know they got you got guys, And I'm the same with the Cowboys. I'm saying cowboys too. You know, we think Ceedee Lambs is great talent, but a lot of teams passed on him too, like for a reason. Yeah, I guess because he was too skinny. I guess that was the reason. I don't size is part of it.

I think he he just does everything well and isn't he doesn't have a super freak trait. I mean, Rugs got drafted where he did because of how fast he was. Judy was seen as the most polished route runner. Not that Lamb can't do it or isn't a good route runner, but Judy was seen as better. And people overthink these things and you wind up fall into seventeenth when you

probably shouldn't have. But again, I think we're saying the same thing, Like, if none of that narrative existed and CD had just been one of like four good receivers instead of widely seen as this amazing talent, everyone would be very, very pleased with where he is. But because of that hype and because a guy drafted after him as having a better career, you kind of look at it and you're like, Eh, I thought we'd have seen

more from LAMB. Do you guys think what we've seen so far says that he's on track to possibly being that upbrechelt of receiver or is it just one of those things where you're like, you know, at this point, you would have expected him to be more war consistent, if that's the thing you think he's missed. I put him as my most disappointing player from last year. Huh Yeah, And we got killed for it because, oh my god, it wasn't DAK but it was it was y CD.

Because I went to Oxnard, I mean because I was there and you were there, and I thought he was going to be like the great I thought this was Randy Moss and it wasn't and he was beating. He was beating a better cornerback every day than than what he faced most of the most of the games. Um, he didn't make those highlight playmaking type plays where you know,

and this was this dropped several of them. Yeah, and this was Cooper Rush throwing him the ball a lot of times, just throwing it up, just go make a play. Made it every day. He I mean, he looked like he was about to take over the NFL. Yeah, in Knoxnard. That's what I was a little disappointed about. Like he said, he's still a Pro Bowl player, I mean alternate, but he mean he was, what, you know, top ten receiver from last year made the Pro Bowl. I thought he

I thought he had a really good year. I thought he was gonna be even better though. What's like, Okay, New England. His best game was New England made a great high point touchdown in the third or fourth quarter and then obviously won the game in overtime. But like, other than that, all of my most memorable Seed Lamb moments are from his rookie year, like the touchdown against Minnesota, the on side kick return, some of the catches down the seam, he made against New York and Cleveland. He

just he was he was good last year. I didn't think he was amazing. You talk about hollow. I felt like the Pro Bowl was a little bit hollow because he was like the second or third alternate to get it. He had really good number he did. I feel like a jerk because I'm like, oh, he's a disappointing or whatever. He just he has not lived up to the gargantuan hype. It's not to say he's a bad player. And we're gonna find out because they got rid of they got

rid of a better receiver. He's going to be the best receiver on this team unless something even crazier happens. It has to be Yeah, yes, I mean I would assume so. So it's on him now, Like they clearly think he can be the centerpiece of their receiver corps. And we're gonna find out the fourth best eighty eight right now. Well, he's in this he just obviously, and the other two guys are in the Hall of Fame.

But I'm not I'm not worried about him. He's they're gonna pick up his option, Like I'm not worried about you know, he's going to Yeah, he's going to keep improving and he'll be fine. I think, I honestly think this year he's gonna step up and become one of those premier receivers because I think we've seen flashes of that. We certainly have seen him make some plays. You mentioned that Minnesota. I think that's one of the best catches I've seen from him. Um, And I think he has

that ability to do some really remarkable things. I think for whatever reason. And by the way, it wasn't just him. Last year. You name a guy on this offense that was consistent, there wasn't one. It was an inconsistent offense. And so I think that you know, this year, if they're gonna have any if they're going to be successful, it's going to be in a large part because he's gonna step up and become that guy that in crunch time and games, they're gonna find a way to get

him the ball. He's gonna make place for him. That's how they're gonna win. I don't want to hear this a MARII Cooper crap with this with this one next time, because again we've brought this up before. Yeah, you talk about like a Mari not getting involved or not being able to find him. They didn't target CD until the second half of the playoff loss. That's a problem. It

is a gigantic problem problem. That's what it makes me wonder, like, makes me anxious to see what's going to happen exactly next year, because although I don't think that Cilli Lamb has reached his ceiling and he has a lot more to show, I believe that. I think that right now, the way that the team currently stands and what they have talent wise, they've taken a step backwards and you're not really having the right tools around players like him

for him to be able to succeed. And by that I mean obviously the old line, what's going to happen there, that's obviously going to affect the passing game and Celi Lamb. Yeah, he's made some great catches and all, yeah, but I also have a very fresh memory of drops that he's made, things that he should have caught, things that you want your number one guy to catch, and that's gonna be his role now. And also the one game that Amari Cooper didn't play and that you were counting on Ceedee lamb.

I mean, the coaching staff is going to have to figure something out to make to allow him to play better. But that one game right now doesn't give me a lot of hope because he I don't remember him really doing much of anything when Amari Cooper wasn't there to play. So it makes me wonder, Okay, what's what's he actually gonna do? And like I said, he has the talent and I know he could. It's there, we just need

to see it. I mean he played it. To be fair, he played a half against the Chiefs and got a concussion and they didn't play the next game in a short week. You know. While you were saying that, I was like, man, that that game against the Raiders, you know, I mean they were in it over time. I mean the play playing that with both their starters, you know,

but like without both starting receivers. But when that happens, like no one ever goes back and says, they just they just lost to the Raiders, who aren't very good, you know, or barely made the playoffs or whatever. But it's just like that was a challenge, you know that. I mean, obviously to play that game in a short week without your true receivers. Yeah, you know. And also I kind of think part of the problem with this offense, I think they had too many options. I think Dak

had too many options. And they went into it saying, well, we're just gonna find the open guy, just get it to him, versus a lot of teams where they're like, we got our guy, and he's good enough that even if he's covered, even if he sometimes it is double covered, he can make a play and we're gonna feed him

the rock. And I wonder if maybe that's the issue, that that maybe, but and I get that, I know they can be double aged sort because back when they were doing that with Days, we were like, stop trying to feed him the ball, just get the guy. It goes both ways. This is my beef because I mean, I I don't necessary I'm not having played in the NFL. This is something that Isaiah Standback was on this show and he said, he said, when that happens though, is

it your quarterback though? Is it your quarterback that says you just said, regardless if you're covered, we feel like we got a guy can make a play, But it is the quarterback comfortable enough to make that throw? When he's covered to go, I can still get it to my guy, as opposed to no, no, no, I'll just find Schultz boom seven yards. Well it's still it's still now it's third and five. But you know, I got that to me is about building confidence because he has

to build that confidence with that receiver. That means that he has to do that a lot during training camp and during practices they're having at the house and all. That's a reason though, there's a reason why Dak doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. I mean, seriously, is careful because he's careful with the ball, which is not a bad thing. That's a good thing. But you know, I say it all the time. When he retired, I don't think is anymore. But when he retired, Brett Farve led

the NFL and touchdowns and interceptions. Romo threw some picks too. You gotta throw it takes some chance. But but do you think do you think Lessening doesn't throw picks and takes chances? So I don't know, but do you think Lessening his options maybe having less uh, Like if he's got to choose between throwing to a Noah Brown or throwing to a CD, that might be covered. Do you think in that kind of scenario, he's like, I got a better chance of making this happen if I get

it to CD. Do you think that pushes him to maybe try to make some of those throws it otherwise he might pass on. I hate it a lot. No. I know Aaron Rodgers is a one of one. Yeah, but every other good quarterback has a multitude of weapons. I think it's on Dak to just trust that he can get guys the ball, Like look at look at all these great teams. I mean, the Rams have more than Cooper Cup. And when they lost Robert Woods, they went and got Odell. They still feed the hell lot

of Cooper Cup. That's the quarterback. The quarterback is willing to do that. And I'm a big Dak fan. It's on Dak to have more confidence because I'm by the way, I'm pointing to that hit on the head where Dak is like, if you're not open as hell, I'm not throwing you the ball. And that's great to a point, you've also got to have the confidence to say this is my guy, he's gonna go get Teams do that, they're like, go ahead, chilts us all day long, because well,

we'll be all right in the end, which is why. Honestly, when I look at them potentially drafting a receiver, the name I keep going back to is Chris Olave because he's a wonderful route runner. Run well he's got Yeah, I don't I really, I don't care about his speed. He I think he's the best route runner. If y'all want speed, why aren't we talking about Jamison Williams. No, I get it, but I'm saying A love gives you

both of them. He's a guy that can run, and he can run great routes, So I'll take that speed by training camp. Yeah, I already got that guy. A Lave can create separation with his route running, which is what DAK want. He's he going to be there at twenty four? Maybe what I heard of it, But again, I think terrible, terrible, terrible ideas they do to say, sue they've only drafted miss, aren't this guy for it? No?

I think it's a terrible idea to say will be better with less options, no chances, but not even same. DAC needs help. It's gonna be the old line. I tell you the guard or center that you can take it twenty four that starts immediately, a plug and play guy that helps DAC more than the receiver that they get. A twenty four. I promise you that one that means week one you might be out there with Noah Brown. You're okay with that. Even if you got a good

offensive line, you're okay with that. No, I'm not okay with that. Well, what are we doing? Like, there's there'll be other guys too, There'll be there'll be other guys. I mean, no, listen, I think we have hit the point where I think, I mean, watch them sign someone today. But I don't think you're gonna see a lot of moves anymore. We're about three weeks away at this point. Why go sign a veteran receiver? I don't know who's

out there, Jarvis Landry here? Yeah to me, why go do that when you could draft the guy at twenty four and then you're like, let's just cut you know? So, I think you're just kind of hitting the brakes. We'll see what happens after the draft, and then they'll be they'll be like another wave. I think you're right, guys, I think you're right. The thing like, I'm fine if they don't do anything else at receiver. That's what James

Washington is for. You have to draft another one. But you're like, okay, we have we're okay, and we can draft a guy. The thing with guard is like, they're not okay. They're not okay, and maybe they'll sign a guy after the draft. But this is just my opinion. I objectively think I think there's a very good chance that a better If there's a receiver and a guard both available at twenty four, I think the receiver will be the better player. And I hate the idea that

they'll draft the guard just because they need it. Yeah, so we're talking about it at the first end of ours segment, right, Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I don't know, but yeah, I mean it's entirely possible Burkes and do Lava could be there, or at the very least one of them. And going away from one of those guys because you didn't do anything about guard makes me want to puke. Yeah, but true. But also, remember what we talked about before is that this is a three to

four year thing and you're gonna need a guard. I mean, Zach Zach Martin is of course, no, I mean I mean it's time to start putting those resources back in that offensive line again. Well, but not only that, Nick, you mentioned this earlier in the show. You kind are also looking at like where can you get other players? And it sounds like, Dave, you know more about this than I do, But it sounds like this is a

very deep wide receiver draft. You could get good wide receivers maybe in later round, second, third, maybe even fourth round. Maybe they're not as good obviously, but certainly there are options there where you're like you said, Nick, if you don't take that center early, you might not get one. Maybe the same for guard. Who knows. I think I think you can get in the second or third round. I think one of their needs is going to be a smaller receiver, very quick and fast. Maybe a guy

that returns punts as well. I don't even know the name. I'm sure you've got some names like that, but I'm looking at a you know, five ten, five eleven, you know, slot guy, super quick and fast, he can do some things with him, returns punts. That would be because I think that guy in the third round is also a guy that helps you immediately, because there's not really a guy like that James Washington is not very tall, but he's not really a slot guy. I'm looking for it.

Maybe a slot type of quick, you know, gadget type player that can do some things for me. Larry, let me look at this draft magazine there we have. We're gonna take our final break. When we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit more and we're gonna move to the second round. And look what the Cowboys have done in the second round over the last five years. Wha come right back done. This is Dallas Cowboys dot

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what was that like? Wonderful? Yeah? I mean it's uh, Dave, Dave was he was really excited when a Stone Cold came out. Yeah, I was. I was trying to find the words to say. It's just it's one of those things that just takes you back to your childhood, you know, like if you hear a song from when you were a Stalgia. Yeah, very nostalgia. Which the fact that Stone Cold is I've been to three WrestleManias now and he's made an appearance at all of them. Like, wwe knows

what it's fans want. They're like, hit me with the nostalgia. Okay, they never promised that. I never I made them. Look I made that. I ruined everybody's night. Because my buddy is like really into wrestling, like he follows it closely. He reads the message boards, he watches and xt in the Japanese leagues, and he was like, yeah, you know the rumor there's a chance the Rock could show up, And I said it in passing to a few people

like Nick. But they brought their kids and like one of their kids to have a great night, and so like by halfway through the show, everybody was like, when's the Rock get And I was like, I didn't say it was gonna happen. You weren't the only one, though, you weren't the only one. We went We went in there thinking that there was a good chance for the rock, you know, but a little man wasn't excited that and

he wasn't happy that Rock didn't show it rock. But you know, part of it too is that's all that's who he hes. He knows it doesn't know, but now he knows. Now he knows Roman Rains, he knows some some other people. And you know, he was kind of he was kind of into it. I thought it was it was cool that they put on a great show. And there's no doubt about it. They do a great job. That know what they're doing, and it was it was fun. Yeah.

Speaking of nostalgia, Dave, you kind of you kind of took me aback when you tweeted about One Shining Moment because I was like, oh, that is all about nostalgia. How could you not like One Shining Moment? You know me, man, I'm broken inside. I just I just it's probably hurt me. Like I was like, I love One Shining I looked forward to One Shining Moment. I just think it's a corny song, yes, but that's beside the point. It's nostalgia.

It's nostalgia. It's it's just all the years of watching it after I thought you were actually referring to like a shiny moment that happened. We're talking about the you know, obviously the video they put together at the end of the Come into it now and just hit and just let me see what they're talking about. Yeah, like, you gotta have been doing this for years, and it's just a part of the experience, part of the experience of March madness. Been watching the tournaments since I was like

eight years old. My dad grew up a huge KU fan. I don't follow KU basketball anymore, but it was very cool to see them when they broke my heart in the Dome in two thousand and three when they lost the Syracuse so like I was like, oh, kind of exercising those demons. I still turned it off before the song came on, like I did too, But it doesn't do anything for me. Did YouTube the next time I did? I did too. See that's it's it's to me thing.

It's like displays of earnest emotion abhorre me, Like I can't deal with this, so I have to go somewhere else. It's really hard to do anything like, especially in the media world, to keep it going for I mean, thirty thirty two years. I believe it was nineteen ninety or ninety one when they started doing it. They've changed the song. I mean it's a different version of that song version, but it's still the ball is tipped. Yeah, I've always just loved it. It's just it's kind of just pulls

it all back together. Remind you. I remember that in the first round. I remember that in the second round. Like it's just I don't know, like as you get older, like Santa Claus Is coming to town is not for me either. It's a little too hokey. But you just talked about WWE and you were like, it's all about in the stat Yeah, Stone Cold comes out on an ATV, guzzles beer and kicks people's ass. Like that's fun, that's great,

one shining moment. You just told us so much about yourself, stone Cold in the Rock, Like those are my childhood heroes. If you need any contexts about who I am. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Okay, all right, let's move on. We're gonna talk about the second round here, and we'll probably haven't get through all of this, but we're gonna start here

on the second round. Next week, we'll pick you back up. First, tell me in the second round, what is the expectation Dave, I know you said you kind of know how teams think about this. What what do teams think of second you have something the second round picks, and what the expectation should be for those players. I think, more so than what Dave said in about the first round, I think where the guys picked in the second round is

a big difference. I mean high second round. You know you're talking about thirty eight, thirty nine, forty versus sixty. I mean I think I think that's a big difference on your expectation. I mean, first round you expect that guy to come in and play. Second round depending on the position it is different, I mean, and what you

expect him to at least contribute. Yeah, first, So the two things I'm looking at here, which is the way you look at it depending on and next totally right like second round, high, second round, low, second round, even part of the third round. First year, starter, ability, verse starter, a bil, immediate backup or role player might need time to develop. The higher you go, the more likely it is that you view them as an immediate starter or

an immediate player. And that's why the funny thing is, and I know you want to go round by round, but I think this is a just a perfect example of what we're talking about. And it's why teams guard their actual grades of players very very closely because they don't want to They don't want you to know just how little or much they thought of a guy, because that can really come back to bite you. But twenty nineteen and twenty eighteen, or perfect example, Connor Williams goes

fiftieth overall mid second round. Then the next year they don't really need a guard, but they draft Connor McGovern I believe ninetieth, yes, ninetieth overall. And remember the narrative around McGovern when they drafted him was this was a blinking red light, like we had a high second round grade on this guy. We couldn't believe he hung around

until where we were picking in the third round. So even though Connor McGovern was taker, sorry, Connor Williams was taking forty spots ahead of Connor McGovern, Connor McGovern's a more disappointing player to me because of what you had him great at, as what you thought he could be, whereas Connor Williams, and to be fair to him. I don't know what they're great on Connor was, but taking it taking at fiftieth. I've been arguing with people for

months that Connor Williams is this disappointing player. I'm like, you drafted him fiftieth overall and he started four years here, didn't work out. You were fine to let him leave, but like you got a second contract in the NFL, that's you got used out of him. Like that is not a terrible pick as far as I'm concerned. Whereas for what we know about what they thought of Connor McGovern and I'm like, y'all thought you were getting more than this when you drafted him. I mean, that's just

that's indisputable at this point. So I think it's just an interesting inside look into the way that these things play out, because again, you could draft a guy at ninety that you have a high second on, or draft a guy at fifty who you're like, oh, this is

about right, you know where this is? This lines up with where we're picking, And I think that just colors the way that you can view these careers because I think, of course, you would rather have Treyvon Diggs, who was fifty first overall, like it would be great if a top fifty pick signed a second contract here, but I don't think it's the end of the world that it doesn't work out. So you look at the guys that

they've selected over the last five years. In the second round, you got Kelvin JOSEPHO was selected at forty four, Treyvon Diggs at fifty one, Tristan Hill at fifty eight, Connor Williams at fifty, and Cheetah bay A Woozier at sixty. Let's start first with Kelvin Joseph. Do you think he's met expectations for what you needed to see from him in year one or do you think at this point he's vastly under under that I don't think we'd say over, but vastly under where you wanted him to be at

the end of year one. I mean, I think when he was drafted, even though you kind of knew some of his history, the corner that you draft at forty four, you would have liked for him to be better than Anthony Brown. He wasn't for a couple of reasons. One, he wasn't good enough, he has hurt a little bit, and Anthony Brown had a better year than maybe people thought he was gonna have. You know, he's continued to

improve too, so I think he's below the expectations. But you know, the cornerbacks that were ahead of them are better than him, and you got to give them credit for that. Yeah, I think the way you view Kelvin probably depends on how you viewed Jordan Lewis and Anthony Brown, because on one hand, it's like these guys are bums who were trying to get rid of and a top fifty picks should be able to come in and take

their job. Then on the other hand, you say, these two guys are successful draft picks who signed second contracts with their team and have started a lot of games in the NFL. Maybe neither one of them is as bad as fans like to act like they are. And it's hard for a rookie, a rookie whose thumbnail was kind of raw only. I think Kelvin Joseph only started like eight college games, hasn't played a lot of football, probably not ready to come in and be the guy

right away. But I do like what I see from him from when when he's out there, you can see the skills and I think you know, I've said it before, this these three months are crucial for him. These you know, March April May. What is he doing to take his game to the next level, because he's got the potential,

he's just got to do it. Maybe it's a cop out, but like Kelvin Joseph, I just have a pen in him where I'm like, I'm not disappointed and I'm not optimistic, just like it was a red shirt ear for all intents and purposes, Let's see what you can do this year. Yeah, well, that's a rap for us for today. We'll be back

next week. We'll talk about the rest of this second round because there are lots of questions around Treylon Diggs and how he's can, how he's perceived versus the player that he is, and and certainly from Connor Williams Tristan Hill, there's a lot of questions in this second round. We talk about it all that next week till then. For Nick Even, Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot

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