Cowboys Break: Feeling a Draft

Welcome to another edition of The Break. We are live from our homes, not the s WBC Morgan studios. Hopefully at some point in the near future we will be back, but we're all our homes. We are ready to talk with you guys about some Cowboys football. We're gonna get into the NFL Draft. It was an interesting weekend for the Cowboys. Here what these guys have to say about the Cowboys and how they did this weekend in the draft.

We're gonna dive deep into a lot of the different positions that were affected, particularly the cornerback position, where there's been a lot of change here over the last several days. And excited to be joined by my normal crew David Hellman, Amber Garcia, Nick Eatman, how are you guys doing today? And Hey, Derek, I'm great, awesome, good, good, Glad you guys survived draft weekend. It was a busy weekend. We

had a lot going on. And I'll open the show by asking each of you guys to give me just I guess answered this one question, filling this blank for me, The Cowboys draft was a blank. I'm gonna start with you, miss Garcia. Spectacular nice. No, I thought it was so great. Honestly, I had my doubts, sue how the whole process was gonna be, like, you know, I really thought it was gonna be a mess. But no, and after they drafted that first round or I know, we're gonna get into it.

But the more we got through it, the better it got, if that makes sense. You know, Like they did not disappoint me one bit, Nick, I mean, it was just there's quality. I would say they got quality in there from top to bottom. You know, right now, everybody thinks they had a great draft. But but you know, if they did their board correctly, then they did have a

great draft. I mean, obviously they have a confidence in the scouts, but um, I thought, like she said, I thought when she drafted Ceedee Lamb, it was hard to mess it up after that. Really, I don't know if you could have messed it up, and they didn't. They kept getting value picked, so they were true to their board. I thought that was really good. Hellman, it was exciting. It was so exciting. Um, I don't like, I don't want to give out draft grades. I hesitate to like

say it's amazing draft class. Right now, I think it's kind of ironic the twenty sixteen class that was so amazing people were kind of on the fence about it at the time. I mean, it's easy to forget that a lot of people hated the Jaalen Smith pick. So it makes me feel weird that everybody is convinced how good this draft class is. Because I'm just a pessimist by nature, but without having seen anybody actually play football, it's a very exciting draft class. I feel really good

about what they were able to accomplish. All Right, so we're gonna dive in. We're gonna go pick by pick. I have some questions for you guys regarding each of these players. Let's start with the first pick, Seedee Lamb. Cowboys draft him as the first round number seventeen overall. I said before the draft, I really was hoping if one of the top two wide receivers, and I didn't even put the top guy that was drafted at the wide receiver position, Henry Ruggs. I didn't even list him

in that group. But if I said, if Judy or if Lamb fell to the Cowboys, I would love for him to take him by it happened Seedee Lamb drops to them at number seventeen. So my question for you guys is, how did a guys so highly ranked according to most people's draft boards get to the Cowboys at seventeen? Great freaking question. Honestly, I don't know. I don't understand it. Because I do. I think he is the most well rounded wide receiver in this class. I'm not just saying

that because the Cowboys picked him. You know, we talked about it before we came on the air. Like Rugs was the speed guy, Judy was the route guy. Lamb has all of that, and he's dynamic with the ball in his hands to boot. If you're looking for an actual answer, I think it's probably the amount of really good tackles in this class on top of quarterbacks. Obviously you had three quarterbacks go in the top ten, and

then I'm counting it right now. I think there were, yeah, there were four offensive tackles that were drafted before the Cowboys picked. A lot of need at the position and a lot of quality there. I think that helped push receivers down the board. That would be my scientific answer. I mean, obviously, if teams just have their you know, their opinions. I think Dave said it best. I mean, the offensive tackles in the quarterbacks are premium positions as well.

You know, there may not have been a strong need for other teams at receivers. It just it just was a deep draft all the way around. So I think the Cowboys, as Jerry said a couple of days before the draft, you know, I really liked the spot we're in because they knew they were going to get a good player. And I believe when they were able to pick at seventeen, that was five or six players with first round grade still on their board, so they were

sitting good there. But they just couldn't pass up Lamb, who was rated, you know, higher than most on their board. You know, what was interesting to me, and this draft is completely different for me because I'm following a completely different way than I've done in the past, because I'm somehow more invested into this time that I understand it all better. But this time that I paid more attention to all the positions and me more about the players.

I felt like there weren't many like flashy positions that were being draft before the Cowboys. You know, like usually you see those flash flashy position like quarterback, wide receiver, um, then you know tackle. Do They usually draft a lot of linemen, I mean on the top of each draft, if they're available, they do, but it's rare to see so many with that high of a grade. To have to have four that are worth picking in the top

fifteen is usually pretty rare. Well, that that was the thing like to me when I was keeping up with it, I was just like, jeez, I'm writing so many teas on my piece of paper, you know, defensive tackles and then tackles. So to me, that was kind of just surprising.

I definitely did not expected to go down that way, and clearly neither did the Cowboys because you can tell after that during that press common friends how surprised everyone was as to this guy following to their hands at that point at the number seventeen, there was a ton of conversation among the Cowboys brass before the pick was made between Calevan Chason, who was a defensive end from LSU, and then obviously Jerry I'm sorry, Ceedee Lamb at wide receiver.

Do you think they made the right decision going with the wide receiver over the defensive end? Yes, yes, yes, yes, you're getting two. You're getting two players for one here. Because you're just watching, We're okay, we're starting to see the same place here. But I mean the punt returns and the receiver you got. You got punt returner. You got a receiver two needs for this team, and I think he steps right in and plays. I think I think the third receiver plays more than the third defensive

end or fourth or fifth. I mean, who knows if he's where he's going to rank in there. I think this was a better pick for him. I mean, I mean, Cede Lamb is ready to go. I don't want to put too much too much expectation on a rookie, but you're not drafting, Yeah, you're not drafting this guy to sit and he's gonna step right in and play. He was the sixth player on the Cowboys board. He's a

consensus top ten player in terms of overall talent. I think the world of Calevan Chason, but there's no denying the boomer Bus potential. He's a tweener, he's got great athleticism. He needs to work on his strength and size. There's absolutely no guarantee that he's going to translate to the NFL. Any player can bust, but I will be shocked if Cede Lamb busts and it's just, you know, best player available.

I don't think it was even close. And if you go back and listen to our draft show broadcast, I was stressed that they were going to go with need over best player available. I was very relieved and excited when they didn't. Obviously, a third wide receiver in today's NFL is by no means a just a luxury. It is a guy that is essentially a starter because of

how much teams are playing eleven personnel. But that all being said with a guy like Ceedee Lamb, who's as highly touted as he is, the expectation that he's probably going to be a starter. I would guess you guys correct me if I'm wrong. How do you think this affects Michael Gallop in the amount of playing time that he gets and continues in this development, because we've seen some really good things from him as well over his first couple of years in the league. I don't think

he's starting over Gallup. I think he's the third receiver. I think he's a punt returner. And you know, I think they'll they'll figure it out, but they're not going to come out and just say who's the starter. That they might just put three receivers out there, But I will say it's it's you should point out that ride receiver. I mean, offense was a bigger need than people think. I think. You know, it's easy to say, well, they were the number one ranked offense, but when the game

it's really mattered. The offense sucked at times and they didn't score a touchdown and fill it, they didn't score a touchdown in New England, they didn't score a touchdown against Buffalo until the very end and garbage time. So against the good defenses, they didn't play well at all. And so I think that there was a big need

for offense more than the stats would suggest. You know, if I had one of those ding buttons that they use on that show around the horn, I would give you a lot of dings right there, because that was a great point. It's serious, is a great point. I was having that conversation with someone after the draft and they were asking me what I thought of the pick, and I was like, as much as people think this offense is solidified, the fact is you look at a third wide receiver in the NFL, and you look at

third wide receiver for the Cowboys. They needed a third wide receiver number one. They also needed a playmaker, because you're right, there were games this year where their best playmaker, at least as the receivers are concerned, where he didn't quite show up and give you what you needed. They need another yet, and they needed another receiver, and to get one of this caliber, I think it was a definitely a need pick. This was the rare occasion where need um and uh and and quality of the pit

both coincide. Right, Yeah, that's well, you're gonna see see the lamb starting every away game instead of that's who they're gonna plug in there. When a Marty Cooper goes on the road. I was I think, you know, I would guess like ninety five percent of people are on board with this pick. But for the people that were absolutely convinced that they needed to draft a defender, Yeah, Like,

I'm with y'all. I'm shocked at the number of people who didn't see receiver as a huge need, Like they didn't have one period, like Cedric Wilson was your starting slot, which, like no disrespect to him, he's caught five passes in his career. Um, I thought I was a huge need and what a what an absurd value. I don't think it. I don't really think it affects Michael Gallop. I would assume Gallop is still gonna be your starting Z receiver.

I pulled this up just for you, Derek. They ran they ran sixty one percent of their plays with eleven personnel, and that was with Jason Garrett, who is obsessed with thirteen personnels. So I would imagine it's gonna go he does. So, I think you can see the Cowboys running eleven personnel anywhere between sixty and I don't know, sixty five sixty six percent of their snaps. There's plenty of snaps to

go around for all three of the big receivers. You know what I really like about these highlights we're seeing with with Lamb is is he just after the catch. He's so good. Um, it reminds me a little bit of Terrell Owens and that, you know, just catching the ball, get him an open field breaking tackles. This is probably the best winner against Kansas State here where you know he's just gonna make sure they scores a touchdown and

he's not gonna stop. I mean that that is a good sign of a great punt returner as well, just seeing the field and making people miss I think I think he's gonna be a dynamic player because you don't see that a lot with gallup and breaking a lot of tackles in the open field like that. Yeah, I would. I would. I told someone that if they wanted to

get an idea of how good Ceedee Lamb is. Not to say Texas had a good secondary, but go watch that Texas LA I mean that Texas Oklahoma game last year and there were times when Texas had two guys on him and he just would split them. There was one play I remember there was a touchdown. He caught the ball. There's no reason why he should not have been tackled. He was surrounded by defenders and somehow he made his way out of that and was sprinting towards

the end zone. And again, it's not to say the Texas is great, but certainly that's an indication of what he's been doing to a lot of teams in college football over the last couple of years. This was not just against Texas. He's done that to a lot of teams. I was gonna say, there's even you know, there's some critics that say he did most of it against big twelve defenses, which don't have a great rep. He's done

it against everybody they've played. He was the only he was the only member of Oklahoma's team that had a good day against LSU. I think he had one hundred and twenty yards. He's done it against basically everyone. I'm not I'm not worried about consistency with him, but he just had the most ridiculous catch I think in that LSU game. I don't it's not in this highlight package,

but it's one of the better plays I think. You know that I've seen all of last year, just going up and getting the football concentration and everything you can do it all. Talk about the wide receiver position. Beyond those top three guys, you think the Cowboys need to do more? Are you satisfied with the amount of depth they have there? You know, at this point, after you get to those three, you're looking at, you know, special

teams guys maybe in some development. I think they're in good shape because they do have some younger guys that that they like, that they you know, have held onto they want to develop. For some reason. I can't think of their names right now, so I can't Cedric Wilson, That's the only one I can think of. John By Johnson. John By Johnson's still around. Who am I missing here? Noah Brown is still hanging around? Why? That's my question? No, no, no, no,

And again, this is not a personal attack. No, listen, this is not a personal attack on Noah Brown. This is more of a situation where I personally believe Noah Brown was a Garrett pit Cat. I would be shocked if he doesn't have a good camp. I would be shocked if he sticks around beyond training camp for this team. No. I agree with that. I completely agree with that. Yeah, he was drafted by He was drafted by the last staff.

To answer your question, I've always said he's got a body type that they don't have a lot of on this receiver corps. He's a big bodied guy, which helps in blocking and also the type of you know, the type of receiver you can play. He's I hate to compare him to Dez, but he's, you know, that guy that can go box out of dB like DESI used to do. But yeah, I think, you know, if he's healthy, which honestly, I haven't talked to know h since like last December, but if he's healthy, yeah, he needs to

have a good camp. Devin Smith is another one. Obviously he's still had. In my opinion, he's the best of those guys that are left. I think, yeah, I would say, I mean Devin Smith is the best combination of talent and actual NFL production. I mean, injuries have really hampered his career, but he has had good games in the NFL, including last season. I can't knock their draft class because they got such absurd value at all their picks, but I was kind of hoping they would double up at receiver.

There were a couple of guys hanging around there on Day three, James of SMU and kJ Hill out of Ohio State. They were there late, late in the draft. I was kind of hoping that they would take one of them. But well, they got you a couple of non drafted guys. Yeah, which, you know, we'll see what they can do. I can't think of their names right now. I know they got a guy out of like Rhode Island.

I think Parker. So see, you got Ken Drake's Ken Drake Rogers from Texas A and M. And they Aaron Parker from I can't even talk, Stephen gird Guidry Mississippi State, probably Gidre something like that. But they got three guys. I don't love the depth behind the top three, but I liked the top three enough that I'm not super worried about it. Hopefully they all stay healthy. Dave, who's Tevin Jones? Who Tevin Jones? He's on the roster? Oh my dude, I don't get damn. I'm supposed to cover

this team. Six six two hey, six two two twenty five from Memphis? Is he an undrafted guy? No? He was a I think he was a guy they signed after the season he was a futures Yeah, that one that went completely under my radar. Hey, I mean Devin Smith was a futures contract last year. So every now and then, those guys they signed in January will know you something when they finally get to training camp. I would not have been able to tell you that he

was on the team. So thank you for educating me. Well, it's funny because you said they don't have a lot of guys that look like Noah Brown. They have the exact same measurables at six two two twenty five, So get on, let's go. Yeah, and then you got you got vient Tel Bryant. Not sure what his future will be, but he was one of their better special teams players last year. So yeah, I think we'll find out a lot about this what this new coaching staff values at

a lot of these positions. Because the position that we'll talk about next, and actually we're going to take a break before we get into it, but the position we're gonna talk about next, cornerback. There's been a lot of change over the last week and a half with regards to this position, and uh, and I'm and I think it's becoming very apparent to everyone that this coaching staff value is a specific characteristic or specific set of characteristics

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Sea Geek. Let's go all right, guys, Welcome back to the shows. Is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio The Break got my normal crew here, Dave helm and Amber Garcia, Nick Eatman. We're talking Cowboys football, talking about the draft. In the first segment, we talked about the wide receiver position and the drafting of Ceedee Lamb. Excuse me, now,

we're gonna talk a little bit about back position. Cowboys make their second round pick at pick fifty one, Trayvon Diggs and then Also, in the fourth round, they draft Reggie Robinson at pick number one, twenty three. My question for you guys is what are the knocks on these two players that made them available at fifty one and at one twenty three. Dave, we'll start with you. I think inconsistency probably, I mean Trayvon Diggs, like we always joke about, like the getting off the bus guy. Trayvon

Diggs is a getting off the bus guy. He's like, I mean, he's six one, two oh five whatever his way to like. He is a physically impressive dude. His technique doesn't always reflect that, you know. You know, he's gonna need to work on his mechanics and his fluidity and his ball tracking skills, but he's got the the

athleticism and the build to do it. I think that's why they were so enamored with him, Like they talk about him and Reggie Robinson both actually their ability to play press man track the ball despite having your back to the quarterback for the entire rep which is something we've seen Cowboys defensive backs have a problem with. Um. I would say like inconsistencies in their technique or probably

why they fell. Although I would I would say, I mean, Diggs probably went right where he was supposed to at the end of the day, so I think it all worked out for the best. But I think they're really impressed with their ability to play man coverage Nick. Yeah.

I mean they had a high second round grade on him, and you know he goes eighteenth in the second round, so yeah, I mean I thought it was somewhat of a steel but you know, he's he's probably has issues, you know, going up against some really great wide receivers. I mean, there are some good ones in the SEC.

We're seeing some highlights here against the Duke, but when he goes up against the SEC, you know, there's a lot of guys in the league there, so um, you know, I bet you coverage is it inconsistency, But that's gonna be the case, you know, with with a lot of these guys. But I think he's got really good size and you're seeing some tackling ability at him, not afraid to mix it up, which is good. Ever, honestly, don't ask me how these guy fell into anywhere in the draft,

because this was all like a surprise to me. It was surprising to see in a way, to see that the Cowboys did go for him on the second round because after seeing the first round pick, I was like, oh boy, they are gonna go ahead and get a little too cute in the second round and not really draft for what he's needed. So this guy, I think he did end up in the spot that he was supposed to be, and I like that he has the

ability to get the ball. You know, he has good hands, and that is one of the top qualities that I was looking at for some of these guys when it comes to the secondary guys that have good hands and can catch the ball and interceptible. So this guy had I believe three interceptions last year, and at least that's something I'm looking forward to seeing this year. I don't know much about position FLEs as far as like, is this one of the guys we'll be talking about later

on about maybe switching to safety. I don't know how he would do there, but I think it was a good pick for the Cowboys. Do you think Dix comes in and immediately becomes the starter at cornerback or one of the two starters at cornerback? I think not. I don't think so, just because of the nature of the position. I mean we just went through this three years ago. Cheeto was pick sixty, so it's a comparable pick to

number fifty one. It's a similar level of talent. Maybe Diggs has a little bit of a better draft grade, but it's close. And I mean, cheto dealt with injury problems, but he didn't step right in and take that job away. You've got three guys that have played a lot of NFL football ahead of him. I leaned toward thinking he will be like a utility guy, which I'm honestly really

excited about. You know, the word on the street is that Digs is gonna wear thirty one, and I don't want to compare their games, but like he's got you know, there's some comparables there with Byron in the sense that this guy has thirty three inch arms, which go watch the tape. It's fun to see the way that he

uses his length to bail him out. So if you want this guy to help you cover tight ends and maybe just kind of be an all around utility defensive back until he can claim the starting job, I'm not mad about that at all. It's interesting the Cowboys, Nick, did you have something on that. No, I'm just watching it's just probably a gonna be a penalty right here against Arkansas. That's probably a face mask. But for the most part, no, no, I thought, I think the Byron Jones,

this is not good right here, the Byron Jones. At least it wasn't John Stephen that threw that interception there, um Buyer jokes. Comparison is very good. I like that, and I like the fact that he's got some punt return ability as well. So maybe it doesn't go to Cede Lamb, but I think I think Lamb with the ball is a little bit better than this guy. But you know, that's a couple of times in a row we've seen. You know, he just goes straight up the

field scoring touchdowns. Anytime you're drafting a defensive back that's got some touchdowns on his highlight reels, pretty good. Look how those legs like, Look how fast he is. That's another thing that I like from him. He can move. He has so much mobility, and he can just react

quick and go for it. You know, you don't see him hesitating too much, and he's fast, you know, Derek got oh sorry, go ahead, Well, I was just gonna point out I'm probably switching gears, though, I point out that you know, they got those two guys and then they just have agreed to terms with a veteran right now in Daryl Worlie. So they're adding a lot of cornerback depth in the last three or four days. Yeah, And it seems like there's a there's a consistent thing

there too. They're they're they're big, they're they're long, um and and particularly with Diggs and with Reggie Robinson, the scouting report on them says that they're guys that play again, play well in man coverage press man coverage. Uh. And are they attack the ball? You look at Diggs, Digs a former wide receiver and uh, and they say he plays like a wide receiver type mentality when the balls in the air. So it looks like they are looking

for a specific type of cornerback UH. And so my question for you guys is what does that mean for those guys like uh, like Cheeto Woozier who's been here and Anthony Brown who's been here, and uh and maybe maybe even Jordan Lewis who's been here, who may not be that exact same type of cornerback as some of

these guys they're bringing in. It's hard not to notice that all three of these guys, the two draft picks and then Worley have an awfully similar makeup to Al Harris was, you know, the new Dbats coach, was a great man corner during his NFL career, so it's not surprising. And yeah, I mean it's hard not to think that maybe some writings on the wall, not necessarily for twenty twenty, but when you're starting to think about contract extensions and stuff like that, it's it's hard not to wonder where

the future lies for Jordan and Cheeto for sure. But those guys are up this year, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think you could see that throughout the draft. The Cowboys were drafting players that will be you know, position needs next year with some free agency. But I guarantee you every coach in the world, no matter what kind of prototype that they prefer, they're going to take the playmaker. And Jordan Lewis has proven that he can make plays. Now Cheeto needs to prove that, you know,

more than he has done. But but Jordan, I think is the best playmaker they've got in the secondary. So while he may not be you know, it's tall and long and have the length. He does make up for it with making plays, and I think every coach will appreciate that, So that will probably help him get on the field for sure. McCarthy mentioned in his press conference that some of the cornerbacks have some position flex and could play safety. Cowboys did not select a safety in

the draft. Is there a need do you think at this point to maybe move one of those cornerbacks to safety? And also, who do you think would be the best candidate to do that based upon the guys that they have on the team and the guys that they drafted. I don't Cheeto. Maybe, I mean maybe Cheeto, but this is a really big year for him going into free agency.

I don't know if I mean, he wouldn't have his hand up to say, yeah, let let me move positions, but that it may not be his choice, but I think he's the guy that has has the most experience doing it. I don't know about worldly. I don't know if he's done it. I don't know much about him right now. I'm actually I'm look I mean, Chee, Cheeto did it some in college. I'm looking to see if I can find how many games he played at safety. I don't have it on but I know, I mean,

I know he did it. That was part of his scouting reporter. So he's the name that comes to mind one again because they're bringing in all these cornerbacks that seem to fit what the new coaching staff wants too, because he's done it. But then Jerry Jones in the post draft press conference name dropped Reggie Robinson as a guy that they think can do it. I'd be willing to bet Diggs could do it too, but I don't know why you would want to do that with a

guy you just drafted him the top fifty. Me personally, I don't I don't love it because I hate it. Like when I feel really good about my depth at a position, I hate it when people try to take my depth away, Like I want all the good cornerbacks. Let me just let me have some awesome depth and not try to thin my position out. Having said that, you know, if they've agreed to terms with Daryl Worley, I think that gives you like seven decent options at cornerback.

So if he's in the mix, you could convince me to move somebody to safety, and maybe it's not as bad of an idea, but just in general, I'd rather have depth than just be moving people for the sake of it. I mean, because can you name four safeties right now on the team. I mean, you got two

starters in Haha and Xavier Woods. They signed Darry and Thompson to be there, you know, their third guy, and then you always have Donovan Wilson by no means, and I am I saying it's great, But they've got four three of whom have started and you know, played well, So yeah, it's not. It's not always forget Darry and Thompson. I don't know why. He's pretty good, Yeah he is. He's not a bad third guy at all, um, which yeah, I mean, oh sorry, go ahead, Derek, no good. I

just I don't want to move Reggie. I don't want to move Robinson like you just drafted him to help you replenish the cornerback depth chart. I mean, if he's as good as they hope he is, I would hope he's a cornerback of the future. Same thing with Diggs. You know, get him working at the position that you drafted him to play. So if I was going to move somebody would probably be Cheeto because one he's done it before and two you don't know what his long

term future with right is. Right, you would hate You're right, you would hate to have Robinson working at both, working at safety, not having great development, and then Cheeto and you know, Jordan Lewis are gone next year and they're trying to move Reddie Robinson back to corner and it's like, well, he's almost like a rookie again. So I agree with that point with Dave. You know, if this is where you think he's going to be, this is where he

should probably play. Think about how better Byron Jones could have been if they weren't moving him around to safety the first couple of years. I feel like we see this a lot where before the season starts or even training camp, we feel great about a death in a certain position, and then as you started going on, you know, as you start moving being eventually starts like thinning out and you start noticing those players that you thought could play really well and then turns out that they really

are not stepping up. An example, you could talk about Cheeto like I thought he was gonna have a great year last year and he didn't. He started you know, going backwards a little bit. So I am hesitant when they start mentioning those possibilities of moving some of these guys to safety if they wanted to. But I am giving up. I do not care about the safety position anymore because I realized. I realized that if they don't care about it, why should I care about it so much?

Why am I stressing out about this position when they are not? So next year, I am yere age next year they're gonna do it. I promise maybe next year I'll start carrying again. Next year? Is that what Jamal Adam is going to be a free agent? No? No, I'm I agree with like I'm I'm writing off that position until they've proved me wrong. That's like all through the draft process, people talking about Grant to elput In, Xavier McKinney, and I'm like, why are you doing this

to yourself? You know they're not I did it. I did that to myself. You can't. You gotta learn. You gotta learn from what they tell you, which is every year they're just like, ah, we don't care and neck. You know, well, that's that's a little unfair this year because I don't think it was a situation where they just didn't want safety. I think they followed their board, which, if you know, we all agree that. Okay, I'm not no, no, no,

I'm I honestly I think it worked out fine. And honestly, again, you know, I feel good, or at least fine about what the duo of Haha and Uh and Xavier Woods can do. And you know, you gotta give them some credit. I mean, five million dollars on a veteran safety is way more than they've done in recent memory. Uh. You know, Clinton Dix is, he's he's not he's not Jamal Adams, but he's been to a Pro Bowl in his career. This is a better safety signing than we're used to.

And I feel like, you know, they probably think they can just add another guy like him next year, whether it's resigning him or Xavier Woods or another veteran. I just think it's kind of like nose tackle. They just think that they can keep churning that without spending major resources, which I disagree with. But they've done a better job of it this year than in past years. Yeah, And to be honest with you, I don't even know if they necessarily need to move a cornerback. Like you said,

they have four safeties on the roster right now. I think everybody's kind of excited to see what Donovan Wilson can do because he showed some flashes last year during the preseason, and he's your fourth guy. So really it's more a matter of is there a cornerback that you could prepare so that in the event you get into the season and you start getting some injuries at the safety position, you can flip them over. I agree with you, guys. I think Cheeto would be the natural the natural fit there,

but you don't necessarily have to move him. You just have to get him ready so that he can take over in the event that you have some injuries and you're gonna have to do something different. All right, I think we're gonna go ahead and take another early break

here before we jump into Can I ask something real quick? Sure? Absolutely, Well, since we're talking about that, what would be y'all's thought about maybe Jordan Lewis being put in that position to where now you're trying to keep your best players on the field, and Jordan Lewis is definitely a playmaker playmaker, So if you have some of these guys that you rather have at the corner position. What are your thoughts on maybe having him at safety? You don't see a

lot of safeties at that size. He's got to be able to come up and tackle. That's just you know, you wonder about the wear and tear on his body if he has to go and make some tackles in the open field and stop the run and get you know, hit by guards and you know, tackles that are pulling. So that's just not a prototype. You see a lot at the safety position. That doesn't mean he couldn't do it at times. I just but it seems like he hasn't been the prototype to begin with anyways. You know,

he's a slot corner. I mean, that's that's where those guys fit. But but you're right, he makes plays. Um, he needs to be on the field and and you know, I think Mike Nolan is creative enough to figure out ways to do that. And it doesn't necessarily mean that he has to play safety at all all positions, but I think they're you know, we we saw against the Saints where he was shadowing Kamara. You know, he can do some different things. You have to be creative with him.

But I think he's worthy enough to do that. I don't know if it's safety all the time, but it's somewhere in that nickel package for sure. Yeah, I just I don't ever bring it up because as far as I know, he's never done that. That's not to say that he couldn't or wouldn't. He just you know, you're just trying to fit puzzle pieces together and he doesn't have that on his resume. I'm in favor of anything that gives him a chance to get on the field.

I hope that this new staff doesn't write him off because he doesn't look like what they want him to look like. Um, I think that kind of happened to him when Christoph Shard came in. You know, Nick said it earlier, like he's one of the only guys in the back seven with like proven ball skills and a proven track record of making plays. So whether it's safety, nickelback, cornerback, I don't really care. I just hope he gets a fair shake when, you know, when this team finally gets

on the field. Yeah, if I fear what that Dave is, I think he's gonna be h not to say, he won't necessarily get a fair shake. But just reading the tea leaves are the types of guys they're bringing in now. I think he's certainly is going to have to be better. I don't that that doesn't mean he's not going to get a fair shake. It just means he's got to be clearly better than the types of cornerbacks and that

they are looking at. And he's got to be clearly better from the standpoint of how they look at him future wise as well, because they may look at it and say, hey, these other guys we think out greater potential. We want to get them more opportunities because as we want to develop them a little faster because next year

we want them to be starting. So I think he's got to be This is a year when he's gonna have to play really really well, and certainly during training camp, whenever they're back on the field with the coaches, you're gonna have to play really really well in order to get their attention. Because this position that was a position that was kind of thin, has now got a lot

of bodies and it's gonna be hard. But these guys are gonna have to differentiate themselves if they want to figure out if they want to be one of the starters or one of the guys is playing in the top three. So we'll go ahead and take our final break. When we come back, we're gonna talk about Neville Gallimore, third round pick from Oklahoma, defensive tackle, and maybe even get into a little bit on Tyler Battish, who is the center level was also selected in the fourth It

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May second at Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders dot com. All right, I got a great idea, Nick, Why don't we sometime in the next few weeks on our show give Dave an opportunity thirty seconds to give us his best dance routine to audition for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. What do you think, Dave? Can I use Thunderstruck as my music? Yes? You can, absolutely. You better. You better get used to it, because I think they're going to continue the tradition for

the thirty eighth year in a row. Yeah, yeah, I'll do that for sure. For those of you that don't know though, Like Dave's got a little slack to him. Yeah, you wouldn't think. You look at him, you think maybe not. Dave's got a little he can move a little bit. He's got a little bit to it. It won't be it won't be the worst one. Hey, if you submit, it won't be the worst one they have. I dare gave that does Dave have swag? Or does Dave just not care how stupid he looks? It's maybe a little

bit of bout. I just know that you don't. You don't look like an idiot when you're trying to dance. So I think it might actually work. We might actually get some some good stuff from him. That might be the nicest thing you ever said to me. What would Broadus say to that answer, Well, you don't look like an idiot when you dance. What would Broadus say to that, you don't look like an idiot when you dance? Would he agree? I would say, mark b on your scantron

for fall better question. What would Brad Sham say about that question? All right, we're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. It's eliminated conversation. That is eliminated conversation. All right, let's talking about Galimore. Um, he was the third round pick for the Cowboys at picked eighty two. Talk to me about his greatest assets, his greatest weak desist. Tell me a little bit about it. Give me a scout a report on this Galimore guy from Oklahoma. It's big,

he's like stuff's the middle. He's not getting pushed back. You know, that's that's the kind of I mean, if you just all you have to do is look at the kind of guys they have signed this year in free agency, had defensive tackle. They're trying to get a different prototype. There he fits it. And you know, I know this that when they drafted digs, they did not they weren't true to their board because Gallimore was rated higher than that. They went with Need. It wasn't that

much higher, but it was a little bit higher. But then when they got to the third round they said, wait a second, we got it. Here's this guy sitting here. Um, he you know, and he would be a guy that if you look at Poe and McCoy, they're not long term fixes here. So I think it's just a good fit all the way around. I'll take the words right out of Will mcclay's mouth because he told us a guy like a guy that side shouldn't be able to

move that. Well. You know, he surprised a lot of people with his forty time at the combine, and Will basically said, you know, when a guy that's playing defensive tackle can move like that and get after the quarterback like that, uh, it makes your defense a lot better.

And he mentioned his his reactive athleticism as well, which, Yeah, your ability to change directions quickly, react to things quickly makes you valuable at any position on defense, let alone, you know, the one that people typically associate with big, slow guys. So I think they were really impressed by having such a twitchy athlete play in that position. And

I'll make a prediction there. This is a this is a bold prediction, but Neville Galimore will play some offense next year, but a package what about pose that same kind of guy, right, he's done it, Okay, Well, he's lost a step or two. And I think Galimore will be the guy that that does that. I bet, I bet he plays one snap of offense. I just think where we're gonna have some changes like that, We're gonna have a little fun creativity that maybe the coach before

it didn't do too much of. I'm here for it. I love that idea. Let's talk about what that pick means though for Tristan Hill. Triston Hill was a guy that the Cowboys drafted last year a second round by all accounts, didn't really live up to what the expectations would have been for him. In his first year. There were games mini games that he was actually inactive for,

so he didn't even work into the rotation. What do you think this says about what this coaching staff thinks of Tristan Hill or does it say anything about that? I'll say this, if anybody wants to talk bad about this draft, they could just use that card. All you have to pull out is the Tristan Hill card. While they picked him in the second round. So let's be careful of how we get, you know, too excited about players,

which is true. What does it mean for him? I just think he's going to be battling for playing time again. If Antoine Woods comes back and signs his tender and like he's expected to do, you know, there's four tackles with Gallimore. You know, is he going to be better than Gallimore. That's that's going to be the key. But I was really hoping he would have a full offseason in the weight room with the strength and conditioning coach

to get better and stronger. He still could be doing that, but you know, you wonder about the structure for all those young players. Yeah, I'm I'm curious what this might mean for Tristan Hill because I mean, right now, I don't want to read too much into anything because I don't think that defensive tackle depth chart is filled out.

Nick mentioned Antoine Woods. Christian Covington was a guy that I thought they might sign after the draft, but he went to Denver instead, So I think one way or another, they've still got to add a body there. I think, you know, they have Justin Hamilton, who they brought in, but really they've only got I think they've got five right now, which you'd probably like to see more, especially

for a training camp roster. So right now, I don't want to read too much into it, but if they bring in a veteran, if Woods comes back, Tristan Hill needs to have a good training camp again. I mean again, he's the last staff's pick and he was not impressive when he was there pet cat Let alone, this staff that might not think the world of him at all. So yeah, I mean, hopefully he's having a productive offseason because I think he's gonna need to perform when this

team finally starts practicing. Where do you think Gallimore fits best three technique of one technique for a guy that moves like I bet he keep played. I mean, I think he can play both three for sure, but I want him penetrating he can move. If he can move like that and get after the quarterback the way that they think he can, I want to put him in the position where he has a chance to do that.

But I do think he can play both. Yeah, I could see him being the backup to Gerald McCoy there and Poe playing the one technique, and maybe Antoine Woods is the backup there even though you know, as big as Antoine is, and look it fills out that ninety nine jersey and with this with this staff and the and there and what they like on the tackles, he's actually undersized for I think the way that they want to play. But um, you know, there's been a lot

of questions about him. He's an exclusive rights free agent. They gave him a tender, he hasn't signed it. He doesn't have much leverage. If he wants to play football, he'll probably have to sign him and play. And you know, I would imagine he's on the Cowboys if he makes the team. But um, there's there's a lot of fans that keep asking about this because he's he just hasn't signed his tender yet. Well, I also, I mean, and I don't want to, I don't wanna what's the word

speculate too much? But I mean, do they want him back? Like is it simply he hasn't signed it, or like they haven't offered him the tender to be signed. Now they they've issued the tender. They have I had to ask that question. He has, he has issued the tender. But he told the one time, long time ago, like in February, when we were actually up there at the training table. He said he wanted a long term deal. He's looking for like a three year, ten million dollar deal.

He told me that, and I'm like, okay, And Drew Rosenhouse is his agent. He's looking for a deal. I don't think the Cowboys are interested in doing that, obviously, and so I think there's a little bit of issue there. Nobody in the NFL has less leverage than in exclusive rights free agents, So right right, sorry, buddy, He'll be back to tell you. And as you guys just said, I mean, they need bodies at that position. I don't think that they're finished filling out that position. They're gonna

need that. You would think they would need him to play this year, and he doesn't really have the leverage to go anywhere else if the Cowboys won his services at the price of the exclusive right tender. So to me, it seems like it's a no brainer that he's going to be here if he wants to play football. Yeah, And I don't know what you know, what I'm missing here, But I think he's a good player. I do. I like his size. I think he plays hard, He's played

through injuries, He's tough. You know, he just kind of has this attitude that he plays with that you know d Law has trained him well. He plays in that hot boy attitude. And I think that there's a good fit for him. And if he was my third or fourth tackle, that wouldn't be bad for me. I don't have a problem bringing him back. If anything, I thought maybe the new coaches were not particularly enamored because again, I mean, they go out and signed don try Poe,

who is the opposite of Antoine Woods. I mean, I think he's a good player, but there's no way around the fact that he's an undersized nose tackle. So my thought process was that maybe they would want a bigger guy, but if they want to bring back Antoine Woods, they got one, no problem, Yeah they did. I don't have a problem with that at all. Yeah, but as Nick said, if he is your third or fourth guy at defensive tackle,

I love that. Like, maybe you don't love him as your starter, but as a depth guy, guy that's gonna rotate. I love that. I love bringing in a guy with that kind of energy to be able to come in and spell my my starter. So I really like that, and I hope that they all that he signs his tender and gets back because I think he can be a real asset to this team with the current construct

of what they have at defensive tackle. All right, let's move on to talk a little bit real quickly about Tyler Biadas, who was the fourth fourth round pick pick number one forty six for the Cowboys center out of Wisconsin, Obviously, the big comparison here is that he's out of Wisconsin. Travis Frederick retires, Uh, he is also a center out

of Wisconsin. Talk to me about just the nature of what's happening right now the center position and who the players are at this point that are in line to possibly replace Tyler Frederick, and maybe where Tyler Biadis fits into that. Travis Frederick. Yeah, I was like, that just did not sound right, Tyler Well, Travis Frederick, Tyler Biadas, Yes, go um. You know, I think that that they covered them else when they signed Joe Looney. If they no one is better than Joe Looney, then that's gonna be

your center next year. And I think he's proven that that can be pretty good, but you could always get better, you know. I mean, there's not a lot of teams that were knocking on his door that wanted him to be their starting center. So I think that if if you know, beyondest is it can come in, and you also forget Connor mcgovernor, it will should be able to compete there. So they've got options at center, and someone's

got to beat out Joe Looney. So I think that's a good bar if you can get over that, then they'll be better on offense. Yeah, I'm I'm really fast. I think, by the way, this is all going to pan out, because it seems like there's a lot of moving parts. Before they drafted Beatish, they said it was going to be between Looney and the two Connors. That means that they expected Connor Williams to at least have

some kind of role in this competition. Do they still expect that to be the case, or do they insert Tyler Beotish into the conversation and let Honor worry about that, Or conceivably, if Connor Williams can't beat out Connor McGovern at left guard, do you consider him as a possibility at swing tackle? Because if you're looking for ways to knock this draft class, they didn't really address that problem

at at offensive tackle. Again, for the value they got everywhere else, I'm not mad about it, but that's still a fact. So I'm curious to see how all this shakes out. I think it's probably a mistake to just assume Tyler Beatis is going to like plug into the starting lineup. That doesn't mean that he can't, but I hope people aren't expecting the same day one success as Travis Frederick just because they went to the same school. Is Joe Looting sufficient as your center? Do you feel

good about him? If he as your sinner? If he's not my center, that means somebody else played way better than him, in which in case like I feel great about that. But I expect Joe loooning to win the job, and I think I think they'll be just fine. But again, if somebody plays out of their minds and takes the job away from them, then that means that the competition worked the way it's supposed to. Dave Camber, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry guys that I haven't been participating so much, but my audio is all screwed up, and I keep hearing like cuts in and out. But I see that you guys are talking about the center position because I see Joe Looney up there, so um, I mean, I'm curious to see everything that happens here. I did hear Dave said and talk about a lot of moving parts happening here and then mentioning all these other guys prior to drafting the center guy us to possible players that

could go into the center position if needed. I am curious to see what they do with with Karner Williams and corner my Vern who. To be honest, last time I saw him at the facility towards the end of the year, he still seemed very I don't want to call him weak, but he didn't have the body that you would want an offensive lineman to have. You know, he to me still lacks a lot of strength, just based off looks because we haven't seen much of him since he was out all last year because of the

pectoral injury that he got. So I'm just very, very concerned about this offseason and how that's going to pan out for the class from last year, you know, as

far as putting on weight and strength. And you talked about Tristan Hill too in the in the earlier segment, So these guys that did not have a successful year last year, it makes me wonder how much this whole situation with the virus and us not being too able to go to the facility just yet, how that's gonna play a role into the development of these younger players and what they're gonna be able to do this next year.

All the more reason why I'm putting my money on Joe Looney to win the job, you know, and also don't forget that, you know, when Joe Looney was the starting center a couple of years ago. You know, he had played some in training camp because Travis was injured, but all offseason Travis was healthy. So, you know, unlike that year, this offseason, which let me just scratch that, because this offseason is not like any offseason in the history of football, so it's gonna be different. But I'm

just saying his mindset as the starter. He will go into the season as the starter and someone has to knock him off, as opposed to, Hey Joe, did you hear what happened to Travis? You're the starter now? Good luck. Yeah, I'm actually interested. I'm actually interested in one of these. Amber mentioned this with the fact that the team hasn't been there,