Cowboys Break: Favorite Pick?

of The Break. We are presented by Geico. We're in the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick David Amber with me. We're talking Cowboys Draft. We're gonna break down everything that we saw happen last week. He enter in the NFL Draft. Cowboys had lots of selections. We're going to tell you how they were going to fit into this team. Before we do that, though, we need

to catch up on a little news. I want to start first with Layton vander Esh Cowboys decided Monday that they were not going to that they were going to decline to take his fifth year option. My question for you, guys is what are the advantages and disadvantages of the

Cowboys making this decision. Let's start with you, Nick. Well, the advantages are that they don't have to set the floor of his contract negotiations at nine million per season, because that's sort of what happens when you do like the Let's say like when Dak and d Law they got the franchise tag and then even though they wanted to do a long term deal, it's like, all right, well this is you know, franchise tag for twenty million or for d Law. So this is where it needs

to start. And so I think if you're doing negotiations, if you did that, I believe that you'd have to kind of started at nine million. So you don't have to do I don't think it means that they're not going to keep him on the team or they're going to try to make him, but they don't have to be guaranteed nine million I think for next year. Yeah, it just I mean the advantage is that they're not on the hook. And in addition to what Nick just said,

they're not on the hook to pay that. I mean, if you GIF, you if you guarantee the option, you're paying that in twenty twenty two, no matter what happens. So I mean if he and you know, God forbid knock on wood, but if he tores acl week two of this season, that, I mean, that's still something that

you got to deal with. So it it gives you financial flexibility and the freedom to make that decision in the future, as opposed to committing long term, which typically when you guarantee the option, it's almost like ceremonial because you're like, we will have a long term deal worked out before you even start on that fifth year option.

Buy and large so just gives you flexibility. Does that also mean that they are okay with the idea of not having him, because when you do this, that means that he will become he has the ability to become a free agency If he doesn't want a free agent, if he doesn't want to accept whatever deal you put in front of him, he can walk. And does that signal that the Cowboys are like, well, we're kind of okay with that if it gets to that point. I

think that it was evident in the draft. I mean, I think I think that because of the draft, I think they became okay with that more so than they were, you know, earlier in the week. I mean, they didn't know how the draft was going to go, but you know, they got a couple of guys that probably changed their opinion Abody and they said it has no no weight on that. But I don't know. I don't believe that. I mean, I don't think you can you can draft those two guys and say, well, it didn't affect the

decision of Layton Vanderscher. I think it did. I absolutely think it did. And I mean Layton and Jalen. I think, you know, getting obviously Michael Parsons and then Jabril Cox, who most people agree fell a little bit is more talented than his draft slot suggests. I think it gives them the flexibility to make decisions on both of those guys. And I love that. I love not being painted into a corner at any position on the depth chart. And

I think that's exactly what they achieved. And you think that was the right decision Cowboys decide not deciding not to take the fifth year option. Absolutely, I mean, how can you with someone that has been hurt as much as he has. I think that you shouldn't take that kind of rushed chance. Even though they're saying that they're still interested in the long term deal, which is kind of what you have to say. I mean, you don't want to let the player know that you're kind of

done with them and don't care about them anymore. But I just I think they thought it very well and it was a smart move not to do it, especially after the deal that you had made with Jayleen Smith and the way he performed last year, and we talked about him all the time. But I don't know if I don't really don't know how the Cowboys truly feel about signing or extending Jaylen Smith contract and seeing the way that he's been performing since. So I think they

thought it through very well and it was a good decision. Yeah, I think there will be a lot of things that will be decisions the Cowboys will have to make it the linebacker position over the next couple of years, because at this point, I don't think that after this year, I don't think Jalen's contract is one they couldn't get rid of if they chose to do that, obviously, LV

would be a free agent at that point. They've got two young guys they just drafted that are on rookie deal, so you're not paying a ton of money relatively speaking, for those guys. So Cowboys have a lot of decisions to make a linebacker, and we'll see how that plays out for them. Let's talk about the draft. Let's dive in a little bit more to that, and I first

want to start just kind of big picture. I want each you guys are gonna go round the table, and I want you to tell me your biggest like from the draft, the thing you like the most of the Cowboys did during the draft. Let's start first with you, Dave. The thing that I liked the most is probably they ensured themselves in this linebacker conversation. And you know, I'm not shy or reluctant to say Michael Parsons is not who I would have drafted, even after trading back. That's okay,

He's a hell of a talented player. Again, you know, I've said this a few times. I wonder, and they certainly don't regret drafting Mica, but if they had known that they could have gotten Jabril Cox later, I wonder if it would have affected what they did. And obviously there's no way to know that, but it's interesting. But two great players, two guys who bolstered the depth chart right away. And again I love the flexibility. You're not married to Layton Vanders, You're not married to Jalen Smith.

There's a lot of fun stuff you can do with both of those guys. Cox's big attribute as his ability and coverage, which is something this team hasn't had from a linebacker recently. And Parsons, I mean, what can't you do with him? I mean he can rush the passer, he can blitz, he's athletic enough to drop in coverage. So I just you know, linebacker is a strength again, which it hasn't been in a couple of years. So

I definitely liked that a lot. I mean, the Parsons pick is I don't have a problem with it, but adding Jabril Cox on top of that, I thought was was really great. I'll costume one thing. We think it's a strength because we also thought, well two years ago, I gotta get on the teen. Well that the things I know I'm saying. After we finished twenty and eighteen, we thought the linebacker corps was as good as as any other position on the team, and we found out

later not so much. So that's something first to keep an eye on. Amber Well, to me, it was defense, the fact that most of it was defense. I was very pleased. Although most of these guys I had no idea who they were to be honest, Like, after the first pick, I'm like, okay, who is this guy? No idea, but get to learn about them a little bit more. Um, what same for you? Names that I feel like I've never heard, not heard of one of the players after the first round. You didn't hear about Cox, not not

until little couple of days before. Not in though the process. No, No, I should have you picked off Arkansas in the middle of the game and almost scored. I wasn't watching that about to say you should have known? Not right, Yellen, I'm sure so I didn't hearing the name. You're probably

throwing stuff. You didn't miss my remote thrower. Sorry ahead. Anyways, Despite all that, I think that, um, the fact that with eleven guys and most of them being defensive players, you have a higher chance of hitting some right, you know, getting some players that will turn out okay, because we the previous weeks, you know, we went through the past drafts and we looked at these talents and how they

turned out over the years. I think that with the amount of players on the defensive side, of the ball. Now you have a bigger chance or higher chance for you to get a couple that will turn out all right. So I'm feeling good. Don't know many of them, but I'm hoping that a couple of them will turn out all right and will actually help this defense. Biggest light nick um, biggest like the I like the fact that when you look at the themes. Okay, there's four themes

that I could come up with. Number one, a lot of defense. Defense was the theme of it. Number two, big players, I mean, big quarterbacks, big run stoppers, big linebacker, um, you know, big safety, just bigger players. Receivers, huge too, I mean, so just size. A third theme is that, um, you better know how to pronounce these guys because they're

not easy, you know. And the fourth one, not looking forward to that part, yeah, is um, you know, they they got some they got some issues, some of them got some got some history to them, you know, and a lot of them have some have confidence walking in the door. I don't know how many comparisons we saved. Well, I'm going to be the best of this, and I'm gonna be the best or I'm a better Richard Sherman, You're like, wow, So confidence is not something that's that's

really lacking here. So there's a lot of themes. I like them all, but I like the fact that they size was a big issue here and they look like they addressed it. Okay, so let's flip it. Biggest dislike Dave, I just kind of what Nick just touched on. I said this over the weekend, and I still think it. I think this is the draft with the most boomer bust potential that I have ever covered. I think two or three years from now, we could look back and say,

holy crap, this was amazing. Look at you know, they found like two Pro bowlers and four really quality starters contributors. I think we could also look back in two or three years and be like, yep, that's why they suck, because this draft class did not I mean, they all washed out and like there's there's especially with the big picks. There's a lot of concern um Mike, like the character issues with Mica. From everything I've heard, they don't they

don't concern me that much. I actually me and Kelsey Charles interviewed his defensive coordinator at Penn State yesterday and was very encouraged by what I hear heard, So that'll be on the site later this week. Um, but like he's he's so raw, he's he's he has he hasn't turned twenty two yet, he hasn't played in a year. He's only played linebacker for two years, by the way, So there's the potential that he's only scratching the surface. There's also the potential that this is going to be

a heck of an adjustment for him. Like it's hard to say Kelvin Joseph again, you know, everything I've heard is that he's he's not like a bad guy like you hear a character concerns. I don't get the impression that he's a bad person. And I've you know, I've talked to people at ls A difference. Yeah, absolutely, I've talked to people at LSU about this. Like I heard rave reviews about like his work, ethic and his character.

But you talk about like how focused are you can, like can you handle being a professional football player and dedicating what you need to dedicate to being good at football? Because he's got a rap career. He was suspended from LSU's bowl game a couple of years ago, So there's there's history that suggests that keeping him on the straight and narrow could be a bit of a challenge. And then obviously Josh Ball being a big one as well. Sorry all of them, We're gonna go through all the

picks he has. Think I think I think he's talking about the three that have the issues with that being the weakness of for him of this draft. Okay, yeah, I mean, and so Josh Ball being the last one, which those are some really serious allegations eleven to for an allegations of domestic violence. That's not what you want to hear. So if all of these guys are ready to go and ready to embrace professionalism and all that stuff, it could be really great. If they're not, then it

could lead to some problems. I will say. It seems like they drafted some really high character guys as well. I encourage anybody that hasn't done it to go read about um Osa Diggi Zooa's openness with mental health and what he's gone through with his family. Really fascinating. John cy Golston high character guy. His coaches at IOWA loved him, and Jabril Cox as well. So done rambling now, but it's there's concerns there that we're not used to seeing.

You know, they drafted Randy Gregory, They've done this at times, but to take three big swings in one draft, it'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Camper. I mean to pig it back on that, because dislike for me of this draft overall, just basically what I said to begin with, the fact that these were guys that I didn't know much about, and maybe that's on me. To hear people like Nick say anything either, it makes

me feel better, you know. But aside from that, once you start knowing about these guys and you hear the things that they've just mentioned, and you're like, Okay, I'm not one to judge, and I don't know much about them just yet. I don't know enough to form an opinion. But the fact that all of that is out there, it's like, Okay, do we seriously always need to get someone that has some kind of like baggage with them? And we don't know again, how that's all gonna pan out.

But after last year and seeing and I wasn't in the locker room, but I feel like the past two years kind of the dynamic and everyone kind of clicking together and just no drama and everything just kind of seems to be working out, and it appears to be working out. As far as the people within that locker room, it makes me wonder. I'm like, are we gonna go through one of those years again where you have someone

that doesn't quite fit in? For example, tackle Charlton that you know, he didn't have all that stuff um on his back. But as far as like fitting in within the group, that does concern me. It does concern me whether someone will get um suspended during the season. We don't need any of that happening again, especially on the defensive side of the ball, which seems to be always the area where a player gets suspended. But other than that,

are they going to fit in? Are they going to fit in with the group and everybody else in there? So that's my biggest uh. I would say, dislike as of right now, all right, didn't like the second round pick, So that's I just I don't think that's a we'll see. I don't think it's a good pick. Um you need the corner to come in and play. And I understand that they took the best talented guy that they had, but um, you know if you're just talking about a dislike.

I mean, I was really hoping the Raiders did not take Mariga in there right before, because I think that broke the tie. It was. It was a fifty fifty right there, and I think, and maybe maybe we're gonna take the cornerback anyways, But he just doesn't seem like he's committed, fully committed, fully committed to playing football. That is what it seems like. I could be wrong. They do their homework, They do their homework way more than

we do, so um, but I don't know. I don't I don't love the pick because I think you're counting on him so much and there's two SEC teams that couldn't count on him. So you answered the second part of my next question. I want you to to answer the first your favorite pick and then your least favorite pick. Obviously was Kelty Kentucky, Kentucky, you got your big boy, Yeah, And I think I think, I really think sixth rounds, you can say, well, how much is he going to contribute?

First of all six rounders on this team the last few years, there's always one that seems to make us to stick. But I think that he's gonna have a role because who else looks like him, who else can do what he does, and they had a higher grade on him, So you know, I don't know. I mean, there's not many six round picks that the defensive coordinator actually talks about him in the press conference of where they're gonna play. So I I like the Bohanna pick.

I'm you know, And if I'm wrong about Joseph, that that's great. I mean, I just think they need to count on him so much and he's gonna have to mature and maybe, you know, maybe he will, maybe being here and the Cowboys can kind of help with that, so we'll see. But I mean, that's if you're just gonna say which one, and I would say that that one. That's why my favorite one was Bohanna. All right, I promise it has nothing to do with where I went

to school. But I just think you're bro. No, it really doesn't, you know, But LETNNA tell you why it does. The reason why it does because you've watched him so much, so you know what you love about it, right, that's the irony. I mean, I watched him all last year, but that was the only year he was there. Like this isn't a guy that I've followed since he was eighteen. I just think he he's a hell of a football player. He's a high character guy. He literally we talked about

him on this show. We did, and I love his stories. He literally was like North Dakota State's not hard enough for me. I want to go to the SEC and he bawled out. He was the only good thing about LSU's team last year. And I again, I don't know this for sure, but I wonder because I think I bet they started talking about him. No, I know they did in the third round, like pick seventy five. They were like he was in the conversation from then on, and I wonder if they had known that they could

have gotten him on Day two for sure. Maybe they draft Rushans later. I don't know that. Maybe they still draft Michael Parsons, and that's fine, but it's interesting to think about. He can cover and that's what you need in a linebacker in the modern NFL. Again, like not worried about his focus or his commitment or any of that stuff. And they got him at pick one fifteen. So that's a great value, just awesome value. This, Like I don't know I'm not here to judge the guy.

He wasn't charged with the crime, but the Josh Ball stuff like he just you don't want to have to think about stuff like that perfectly, Like you don't want to have to say this, what's what's this guy doing when he goes home? I don't know? And again again was not charged with the crime. Not my place, but it just kind of makes you feel icky a little bit when you hear stuff like that. I really do. And we'll throw in, you know, the draft nerds, the

Nishan Right one. It's funny because I feel like people are going to judge this draft more on Nishan Right than Michael Parsons, because like everybody is like, well, Michael Parsons is the most talented defender in this class, like you got you gotta draft him, and if it doesn't work out, that's just the draft. But Nishan Right, the Cowboys are much higher on this guy than seemingly everybody else.

And that doesn't mean they're wrong, but it is going to make that really interesting as we see how his career unfolds. And it does also make an interesting point of where could you have gotten him? If everybody else but that's hard this year, unlike every other year. Usually your scouts are out and they're running into other scouts as they're on the road, so they're kind of getting an idea of what teams stink of players they didn't

have that this year. Will talked about that on Saturday Night Will McClay and I love it because he's right. And it's the same thing like if you go back and listen to our draft coverage, you know, Day Brugler does more work on the draft than anybody. I respect him implicitly. He had I think he had a six seventh round grade on right. But the minute an NFL team drafts a guy in the third round, you start thinking, like, shoot, like did I miss something? Did they miss something? And

all of a sudden, you're second guessing yourself. Again respect a lot of other people that do this for a living as well. But then they go home and watch rite and they're like, oh yeah, like I can sort of see it like maybe like a fourth round, and like, all of a sudden, the fact that a team was willing to draft him ninety nine. It just it affects

your opinion. It just does. And so I'll be fascinated to see, you know, not having that think that that group think where you know, scouts go out on the road and they watch the workout and the guy from the Cardinals is like, this guy as a baller, and all of a sudden you're like, yeah, like, I guess he is. So it's gonna be fascinating. Are the Cowboys a lot smarter than everybody else? Or did they get this way wrong? It's gonna be fascinating. Yep, I got

a point to that too, but I'll finish here. Yeah, favorite and least favorite. Favorite would have to be Parsons one because it's the one I know the most about. But two because after Horn and certain were gone, I mean, the one position that I really wanted the Cowboys to draft was linebacker aside from cornerback. So I was glad that they did address that position. And I said it last week on the show that that would be a high it is a very high necessity right now for

the team. So that would be my most like pick because especially because of the position, and the least one, I guess Joseph second, just because as soon as he was picked, I mean, here comes Nick to the whole room and starts telling his whole background and everything that happened. I just was listening to the draft show, and I was like, it was before day laid it all out on the draft Dave. Dave actually knew this was happening

way before the draft started. Yeah, you mean you were plugged in on this one, and he knew this was gonna be the guy. So we're like, let's look into it. And then just hearing more stuff and you're like, so you walked in there as soon as they made the pick, and then he starts telling, oh, man, you know I've heard about this guy. And then he goes on and tells the whole story of everything that he's dealing with. And then you're like, okay, you know it puts an opinion. Yeah,

it puts everybody in the room. It's like, oh really, oh wow, okay, so you start forming an opinion based on that. So instantly I was like, Oh, you gotta be kidding me. We got a guy that has an old ad with him football, rap, football, rap. You know, he's not the first, not the first professional athlete to have a RAP career and and be able to do the job. Well no, no, no, not not at all. It's just yeah, he I mean, let's don't get into it. I mean, like I think the priorities though that that

would be one that you would question. And then there was a little moment there, I guess when he maybe in between schools, when you weren't sure what he wanted. And he's probably he's not the first twenty one, twenty two year old in the world that didn't know what he wanted to do with his life. That that happens all the time. So I mean, I hope I'm I'm

wrong here. I mean, you know, last year was a weird year to also gauge anybody of what's going on, but I wanted to make another point of what he was saying about, like Nashan right now, guys like that, you know, I always I always throw out the Anthony Hitchens story. It's one of my favorite stories because I just remember he was a six or seventh round pick. Rod Marinelli just really loved what he could do for this defense. And I think when you're looking at the

mcshay's and mel Kipers didn't even Dane Brugler. They they do these scouting reports for players for any scheme, for any team. They just grade them that way. And I think the Cowboys obviously, like any team with the great I'm based off of what their team is. What that you know. I mean there was a cornerback from Washington that kind of fell I don't know where he got drafted, corner Molden. Oh oh, like he was the next pick

off the board. Yeah, but like they I mean, I mean from what I heard that they didn't know what to do with them. Um, dan Quinn was like, where I play this guy? So he didn't fit in his scheme and where the Nashan right? Maybe you know, some teams may not even had him rated that high. So I'm just saying you have to be specific to what

you're looking for. And sometimes these draft experts, they're they're doing it across the board so that they may think he's a little great for them because they're not running this defense, they're not running this type of scheme. So it's it's a little bit it's a little bit different and tricky when you're talking about guys in the mid

rounds of what the preference would be. Yeah. I think you make a great point because as we all know, like teams draft traits, they draft things, they see in players that that makes them think they can work with the system they have. And it's very clear here they want big, long, lengthy corners. And so for them, they look at his skill set and they say, hey, there's another guy that may have some of the skill sets, but this guy has a lot more links, a lot

more size will take him right. And so I think that that has to be considered when you're trying to evaluate how the Cowboys did. Have you seen the flea flicker? I mean, nobody runs a flee flicker in college or pro football without it getting sent to me somehow on Twitter. Like everything that happens always I'm alerted by well Tyler or fahicco Simi Tyler. Oh that's the last guy. Simio scores a touchdown on a on a flee flicker. There's our guy, Sean Wright in the background chasing the play.

So and I was like, you know, what can you do? But it, like I said, they're they're not right, they're not wrong. But it's the biggest it's the biggest discrepancy because you know, some people will tell you OsO diggi zooa. Maybe they overdrafted him by ten to twelve spots, that's nothing. You know, same thing with Chauncey Golson. It's like, you know, on our show during the draft, it was like, probably not who I would have taken, but it's that that range makes sense, and I can see his role in

this defense. Nashan Wright was just so far out of left field for everybody, Like I have yet to find an analyst who was not surprised by that, which again doesn't make anybody right or wrong. It's just the biggest discrepancy that I can remember in a long time. You know, like the Rivals dot Com and that they do like the like rankings for high school players. I've seen interviews where they, you know that they're like, well we had this basketball player as a two star, three star player,

Well he just got he just committed to Duke. Well you know what, actually, when you look at it, he's more of a four feet you know what I mean, Like, once you see that from the back end, you're like, well, like you said, they probably looked at it again and and you know, you guys have to look at what four or five games, maybe two or three games to say I mean, yeah, well I don't want to I think Dane Dane does a lot more than that, but

that's Dane's career. That's all he does. I mean, I know brought us would look at three to four games. I mean, and what I mean, you're trying to look at four hundred guys. No. And that's another thing Will said Saturday is like, you know, with with this weird, with this year being so weird, we leaned on eighteen tape, nineteen tape, twenty tape if they had it, And yeah, I'm I'll be the first. I don't pretend to be a draft expert. I try to watch two games if

I can find the time. Like I don't kind of see, I don't have time to watch your entire season because it's not my job to do that. I looked at a lot of highlights like stuff on YouTube, but they don't put bad stuff in there, you know. But one thing about Gholston I thought was interesting though we talked about traits. He's a defensive end. Every one of his sacks that they showed he's rushing from defensive tackle position, like on third, so they probably have a spot for him.

They're thinking, all right, you're gonna play end, but on third and long you might be the tackle we use inside, so, um, you know there's there's different roles for these guys. Chauncey told us, sorry, he told us on Friday night he was a Senior Bowl guy. Him, Osa and Jibrilcox were

all Senior Bowl guys. He got to Mobile and the defensive line depth chart was just loaded and there weren't that many defensive tackles and he went straight to the I don't know if he was with the Panthers or who, but he went straight to the coaching staff and was like, I'd like to play defensive tackle. It's there's more opportunity for me to get reps and get noticed and do that and like just move me if you want to move me, and like that's for all my concerns about

some character issues. I think they drafted a lot of like the quote unquote right kind of guys as well. Oh yeah, I think if you don't if you don't see I think O, DIGGI, Zoa and Gholston. I'm like, yeah, that you're you're probably going to be a utility guy. Welcome to the show. Yeah. I will say this though, when you talk about the cornerback position and looking at traits you just have to go back and look at dan Quinn's defense in Seattle. They had Brandon Browner, who

was an undrafted guy that was six to four. You had Richard Sherman who was six three and draft in the fifth round. Again, not guys that come out of college anybody thought were going to be great cornerbacks. But they combined with two really good safeties to become maybe one of the best secondaries maybe in my lifetime. So that all being said, again, this is the kind of defense he runs. Maybe he looks at it and says, they may not be what everybody else values, but I

value them in my defense, and that's what matters. Where's the Earl Thomas? I know I'm looking for that. We haven't gotten to that yet. We'll maybe talk about that a little later. All r let's say our first break when we come back. Well, I'm gonna ask these guys about the first round. Specifically, I want to know if the Cowboys made the right decision selecting Slate. I mean,

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live from the s TOBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, were presented by Geico. We're talking about the NFL Draft first round. The Cowboys were presented with an interesting prospect. They had gotten to pick seven, and at that point they still had four guys left on the board with two picks to go before they would pick. They had four guys left on the board that had been linked to them. They had Horn, they had Certain, they had

Michael Parsons, and then they had Rashaan Slater. Obviously, both those cornerbacks get selected at eight and nine, which was a bit of a shock to me. I was expecting at least one of those cornerbacks to be available to them, but they both get snatched up. Cowboys are left with a decision on and I don't even know if it was a decision for them, And certainly was a decision as we were all looking at it, but I don't know if it was a decision for them. But they

are left with choosing between Slater and Parsons. They go with Parsons. Do you guys think that was the right decision? Let's start with you Amber Me personally, I think so, And I think again, we don't know exactly what they think exactly, But I have to go back to the position and look at what positions each of those guys were in right now. They keep saying how they feel

about Lyle Collins and Tyren Smith. They keep talking about feeling good about them, them practicing on the field and looking good, and they seem to be getting healthy and expected to be back fully for the season. So maybe they're what's the word I'm looking for, not scared, but their concerned concern. Maybe their level of concern is not as high as ours who are looking from the outside and don't know as much information as these doctors do.

But I would have to just say because of that, the fact that they do have two starters expected to be back, and then you look at linebacker position, you don't quite know. I mean, you could technically kind of say the same about like invendor Ish, but maybe that's because that's why you've drafted a linebacker because of that, maybe because of Layton not necessarily being as healthy as

you would want him to be. And then you got Jalen Smith, who you're still trying to figure out exactly what you're gonna do with them with him, and then the depth at the position itself. So to me personally, that's how I saw it as far as position itself and the guys that you already have in your roster versus talent wise. Okay, Nick, I definitely think that they made the right choice. The worst defense in the history

of your franchise. You have the tenth pick, you got moved it to the twelfth pick, and you still have the chance to draft the highest rated defensive player on the board. I just think they owe it to themselves to do that. They they've been messing with the offense for years. Offense is looking really good, but you have a chance. You need to fix the defense. You didn't do anything in free agency to really fix it. And here's the best defensive player that you have rated. I

don't know where he ranks. Was Slater or they didn't really mention that, I don't think, but you know, I think, you know, like she said, there's so many question marks at linebacker. This is a position that of need right now, it's a long term need. And you know you're asking Slater to move to guard to play right now and then eventually play tackle. I'm sure you could do it. I'm sure you'd be great, but I just think you had to fix your defense. It was so terrible and

you get a dynamic player. It's it's harsh for me to say that I think they made the wrong decision. I really I don't. At the end of the day, I don't have a ton of beef with making Micah Parsons the pick. But it just it's an interesting example of, like, there's so much more that goes into this than like, here's how our board stacks up, and we're just gonna take the guy on top of it. Because I believe

them that Micah Parsons was their highest grade. I absolutely think they would have drafted one of the cornerbacks if they had been there. Yeah, so you already know that they're willing to bypass grade for Need and so we I don't know Rashaan Slater's grade. I think it's very reasonable to think he had a comparable, if not better one. Micah Parsons, I believe, started thirteen college games before opting out. Rashaan Slater started thirty seven. It's played all over the line.

He got on people's radars because you can go watch the tape of him bullying Chase Young, who just one defensive player of the year or excuse me, rookie of the year, not player, and looks like he's gonna be one of the best pass rushers you're gonna have to face twice here. So like, the guy can do it, and he's probably good enough to play guard. I think he's probably better than Connor Williams if he got here today. So, like I said, boom Er Bust, I think Rashon Slater

would would have been an absurdly safe pick. Micah Parsons has a very very high upside at a in a situation that they need more and I don't I hesitate to use the word reach, but I think they delicately, you know, they leaned toward need, and they did it throughout the draft the week before the draft, Nick and I came on here and said, it's never ten defensive picks to one offense have picked. Nobody does that. It's

gonna balance out, And it really didn't deny. They spend eight of eleven on defense, and that to me says they were leaning toward their need. And you know, they would probably never say this publicly, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're sitting in that room saying, even if only three of these guys hit of the eight defenders, that's you know, we're reworking a third of our defense and we need that. And I don't really I don't blame them for it because the offense, the offense should

should be what gets them to the playoffs. The defense needs to be respectable. So if that's what they did, I don't have a problem with it. But I have more confidence right now that Rashaan Slater will repay that pick than Michael Parsons. And again that's not to say Michael Parsons will be a bad player, but I that's just how I feel. I think Slater was a safer pick. Parsons has high upside. It's something they need a little

bit more. That's all. Yeah, I agree with you on that, and I think the thing for me is, again, I don't I wouldn't as you say, I wouldn't necessarily say they made the wrong pick, because I think both these guys are talented players that you could see bright futures for both both of them. My personal preference is, when you're taking a first round selection, get the guy that has the greatest upside and also, in my opinion, the greatest floor. Like I want to be as safe with

this first round pick as possible. I want a great player, but I want a great player that I feel very certain at the least is going to be really good because he's in the first round, and especially if you're up that high, you're not gonna be up that high very often. So if you tell me at twelve, I'm gonna be able to get a tackle that I feel like immediately comes in and is a better guard for me.

So imagine that for that offensive line this year. If you actually get back Lyall Collins and Tyron Smith both healthy, and you still got Travis I mean, I'm sorry, you still got um um um the guard Martin Jack Martin on the line, and you still got him, and then you plug in Slater at the other guard. I really don't care who you put at center. That is back to when the Cowboys had a dominant offensive line a few years ago. Like that's the kind of offensive line

that you now have again. And I feel very confident if those guys are healthy, that your offense is gonna be really, really, really good. And I don't think this defense is one player away, so I don't think that linebacker necessarily changes things. I go back to your point Dave earlier about if you still manage to somehow be able to get Cocks later, then you still address that position.

But now your offensive line is secured, not only for now, but whenever that tackle, whenever Tyron Smith decides to retire, but he's not gonna play forever. Whenever he decides to retire, You not got Slater or just waiting there in the wings, just popping right out there to left tackle, and you're ready to roll for the next ten years. Right. So to me, I just look at it like you had more. You had more value now and in the future, and it's by far I think a much safer pick. I

think Parksons can be great. He might end up being all time great linebacker. Who knows, but I think there is more. There's also a chance that he busts. More of a chance that he bust than a chance that Slater busts, in my opinion. Going back to the boom or bus thing, I mean, if if Calvin Joseph had no you know, character flags, whatever you want to call him, he's the first round pick. There were people talking about him as a first round pick anyway, as a pure

football player. A lot of people think he's better right now than Trayvon Diggs was coming out. But I think him and him and Parsons, the ceiling is sky high. I think the floor is real low too, And that's what makes it interesting. And that's also the thing about second third round picks. Typically they are guys at half skills that could make them a first round pick. There's something about the medical or something that makes them not

be a first picks. Don't act like there's not guys on this team like that, you know, the drafted Jordan Lewis the same way third round pick that he was in the middle of dealing with stuff that they had to go and make phone calls about and figure out what his situation was after they drafted him, they still had to go back to court, he still had to get charges or dropped or whatever it was. But they were confident in there. So you know, this team was

doing their homework. They did their homework, Dave. You know they did their homework, Joseph, No, that's honestly they did. And that's a really good point is like we sat here after that draft and talked about Jordan. You know that that those allegations and all that stuff got dropped, and like, you know, nobody has a bad word to say about Jordan Lewis as a person like four years later. So I mean it is fair to give these things

the benefit of the doubt. It that's nobody. Nobody's been charged with a crime that I'm aware of, Like Kelvin Joseph likes to rap and partaken which way again, it's fine, It's fine if you're you want to be a rapper, Yeah, in your side time, Like on the side, right, it can't become your main thing when you're getting paid football. It rubs me the wrong way. Like you know, a lot of you know, not caring about football gets lumped in with like doing literal crimes sometimes and that's not right.

So do you have some Nick, I probably shouldn't go I'm good. You know. Some of the funny thing is, and this is something from working with Nick for so long. He has this little tremble that happens when his lip when he wants to say something but he knows he shouldn't say it. And that's what I'll When he said that, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna move on because I'm not gonna keep pressing because he probably shouldn't say it. All right, So we're gonna take it. We're gonna take our final break.

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just twenty dollars. You can join now, get your exclusive fan pack and member benefits. Visit Dallas Cowboys dot com Slash United for details. Welcome back. It is the final segment of the Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We are presented by Geico Nick. I want you to kick us. Catch us up real quickly on some news that happened this morning. There were several players that have now been officially waived. Who are they?

Antoine Woods, it's been waved, Adam Redmond, Saveon Smith, Walter Palmore, Ladarius Hamilton, came on Hall. If you're saying, who on some of those guys? Some of those guys, um COmON? Hall was added. I think after the season. Darius Hamilton was here from last year, um like as a rookie free agent. Pal Moore was I believe added in the middle of the season when the seventy five guys were in and out of the practice squad and all that stuff.

I mentioned their pocisition along with their name. Palmore is a defensive tackle. Does it matter now? I mean, what does he do? Guys in the back on the line. I take this personally. I pride myself on you know, I pride myself on knowing the roster, knowing the names, knowing the faces. It's something that I've always taken pride in. And last year, I'm I'm in a bad spot because, like we didn't have access to the team, the roster restrictions were different. Guys were moving back and forth more

than they ever have. Like we got this list earlier today and I was like, Okay, I know Antoine like the rest of them. Kimon Halls, a defensive back North Texas, was never gonna make the team. Ladarius Hamilton, linebacker North Texas, never gonna make it. Walter Palmore, defensive tackle, he was. He was just kind of a practice bad guy. Saveeon submid defensive back that Roethlisberger picked on at the end of the Pittsburgh game that they won the game on.

Adam Redman, center guard that they've moved back, you know, not good enough to ever make our team or roster, not bad enough to be out of the league. They just kind of back and forth. He'll probably go to the Giants and then Antoine Woods defensive tackle, two point one million dollar restrictive tender and they decided to let him go. Yeah, And which is really weird because when you asked, I asked, Sean Legal who's going to be

some of the leaders. And I mean, he named some of the guys, but he ain't named Antoine Woods as a leader. And you know, well, I think I think it's really clear. Somebody mentioned it earlier in the show. I think it was you that the thing you loved about this draft is they were obviously looking for size. That's something that Antoine's not. Like, he's not a big defensive tackle. He's a little bit shorter because he's a

big dude. He is. But you think, relatively speaking, like these guys that are coming in, like just Draft sixty seven, he's a small tackle and he's not agile enough to be your three technique. He's not good. And I guess for this particular defense, right And that's by the way, Antoine Wood's gonna get picked up by somebody. He's gonna play football in the NFL next season. I would doubt, very seriously if he doesn't. And he'll be a contributor. And I think he'll be a contributor like he was

with Dallas. He was never a great player here, but he was a contributing player here. So I think that's going to continue for him. He just may not be a fit for this defense. Yeah, I was surprised. Sorry, no, go ahead, I was just gonna say that I was surprised the fact that when they did pick him up, just because how vocal he's been on social media as far as like, you know, I deserve this or that.

When he starts comparing himself to other rookie or younger guys that are getting more or close to what he's making and things like that in comparison, and you clearly know that that did bother him, and he felt like he was more deserving and of everything, of money, and that's fair. You gotta fight for your paycheck and everything. But after hearing that, I never thought they would pick him up in the first place. Just because of that, I started sensing maybe there was some kind of discontent,

and there clearly there was discontent. But yeah, that's why maybe I'm not as surprised us. You know, maybe that we're doing that to get ready for the draft in case they didn't get somewhere exactly what they were doing. Yeah, I was going to just throw this to you, Dave. I mean, they issued at two point one million dollars tender for him. They didn't have to do that. For

restricted free agent. They did, and he signed it and then after the draft, So what you think them has bes part of what they got in the draft, whether it be Bohannah, Yeah, well it's I think it's a combination. They drafted two pure defensive tackles and then a third guy who can play defensive tackle. So do the numbers. And then to your point, Stephen Jones is talking to anybody who will listen about how they want to get cheaper.

He's he said, he you know, it might be a stretch, but it's he hopes all eleven draft picks can make the roster, because that's eleven guys making pennies compared to even even what Antoine was making, which that is a precarious place to be in the NFL. Is like when you reach the stage where you're making more money but you're not good enough or valuable enough that you're stuck on the team. Like for everybody that wants to whine

about Jayalen Smith, he's here, his his salaries. Guaranteed, it would kill them financially to get rid of him this year. If we're talking about right now, right now, we're talking about right now about Antoine Woods as soon as they release him, they get all that money back. There's nothing guaranteed, and like, if you're in that position, like, and I'm not trying to come for anybody's job, but Cedric Wilson signed the same tender. They drafted a receiver. They brought

in four undrafted guys, Noah Brown. I think he signed for like a mill there. It ain't nothing guaranteed with those deals. And you better come to training camp ready because that's the type of guy they're looking to get rid of. They're not looking to get rid of Jalen Smith. They can't. They're looking to say, who here's making one to five million that we can get rid of or trade or cut or whatever that a rookie can come in and replace that production better be at Dax House.

Hell yeah, and which every day. That is a wonderful point. I mean, Cedric is one of das guys, So I mean there is that to consider. But I think negotiation, they're they're what I think, I think they're eight million under the cap technically, but they signed eleven, they drafted eleven guys, so they're right, they're right up against it.

And I you know, I'm not asking you to care about the cowboys financial situation, but that's stuff that they've got, and the TV money is going to kick in eventually, but not right now. So if they can do anything to buy themselves some space, they're gonna do it. So, you know, I don't to be honest, I was a little surprised that they released Antoine so soon, like I

thought it might happen after training camp or whenever. Well, they did have to get below ninety and they get the other guys they cut were you know, Antoine has started thirty two games for this team, so I'm a little surprised by that too. But but again, you can if you can find two million dollars in space and you think you can get away with it, I'm not surprised.

I'm not shocked. Let's be clear. This also could have been a thing where where maybe Antoine one at this maybe Antoine his reps talk to the Cowboys and say, hey, this is a very deep group. We'd love the opportunity

to be able to be free agent. Remember he was restricted, so he didn't have the ability really to go out there and kind of look to see where it's the best fit for him, and Cowboys may have been like, you know, in the likelihood have been making this team, it's probably small we'll get We'll do him a salo. Let him go out there and try to see what

he can find. Right, who knows that fighting And that might have been a conversation because if you remember, he signed the exclusive rights free agent tag last year, which gives you even fewer you know, you have even fewer options under that tag, and he sort of held out, like he didn't sign it until like right before training camp, whereas this year he signed it. You know, immediately he was like, yeah, I'm on board. So maybe that was a conversation of like, sign the tag, we'll see what

happens after the draft. And yeah, they might have known like if we get some defensive tackles people, we'll let you talk. You know, who knows. All I'm saying is I don't think we should assume sure that that Antoine was upset with this, like this could have been something that maybe may have been more helpful. Yeah, you know what I mean, he knows how to deal with these kind of situations and maybe you know, there'll be other options for him. But I think it was more about

the scheme, you know, for him. Okay, so there's we're gonna do. Let's go down the list. I'm gonna show talk. I'm gonna name the player that got drafted, and obviously there are players at that position. I want you to, guys, to tell me who what veteran you think should be going to training camp with a renewed sense of focused knowing that their job may be in jeopardy. Let's start

with linebackers. You got Michael Parsons being drafted. You got guys Jalen Smith, Laton Vander esh Keyan O'Neill who was a newcomer, Luke Gifford, Francis Bernard, Michael Parsons Andrew bill Cox being the two draft picks. Who is who are the veterans that need to be concerned Luke Gifford and Francis Bernard. That's I would be. I guess anything's possible. Crazy how you call them veterans, I know, but it's just crazy. It's hard to imagine too much happening at

the top of that depth chart. I mean, they could, they could cut Kean O'Neill. They didn't give him that much money, but he's dan Quinn's a one year deal. Yes, it's one year, I think only three million and guarantees. It's like it's a very similar deal to what Haha got last year, so they could. But he's you know, he's dan Quinn's guy, unless he's absolutely terrible, and unless I look at Brill Cox, is that kind of guy? Yeah, jabro Cox just balls out in training camp and Keyan

O'Neill is not quite what they wanted or expect. I think that could be a one that's really questionable. It's right, that's fair, But I guess I'm putting a lot of emphasis on the dan Quinn connection. Again, dan Quinn was super reluctant to label anybody in this defense the other night when he talked to us, but he was like, oh, yeah, Keian is going to play linebacker, He's going to do this that, And they like, that's his dude. So it

would surprise me, but we should mention him. I wouldn't mentioned for me, I wouldn't mentioned Kano, but just because he's valuable because of the fact that he has the ability to play those two different positions in the secondary or linebacker, in two areas that the Cowboys clearly have struggled with in the past. Year, So you never know what kind of injuries are going to happen throughout the season. You never know how any of these younger guys are

going to develop into. So that's why I wouldn't say necessarily Kan O'Neil not to make the team or anything like. You know, he's someone that I know or think that he's gonna definitely have a role somewhere on the defense. Now, as far as these other guys, unfortunately, I'm gonna have to agree with Dave and go with look, Geff and Frances Bernard just because no, you know what, screw that, No, screw it, I'm gonna go with Jalen. I'm just gonna go ahead, Jalen and Layton. That's the I think that's

the answer here. Yeah, because these two guys, I'm sorry to cut you off with these two guys that they were drafted turned both of those players, Jayalen and Layton into contract years. This is a contract year for both of them now, So I think I think, you know it's I would put it on them and I would say this, I agree with you. I don't think it

necessarily means they'd be out the door this year. I do think it could mean they're out the door next year, all right, whatever happens right now, then absolutely that's why those guys are here. Yeah, Micah Parsons and Jabril Cox are here because the linebackers have underwhelmed. I just again, we love to act like it's a pure meritocracy. I don't understand how you can cut Jalen Smith in twenty twenty one. No, you don't cut him. But there's a

bench that plenty of space. And I keep saying it, I what No, I mean, I mean, I'm gonna say it. I think, Okay, with Layton, the bad thing is you don't know injury wise, so he might be out. Not because he's performing bad and he struggled into he struggled, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt because of the injuries that he's been dealing with, because

we know many of these guys still play through injuries. Um, but Jalen, I mean, if he goes back into that whole thing where he's all over the defense and not really knowing all, here comes the running back and he got away and the running game of the opponent. They rushed who knows how many yards, So at that point if any of these guys do any show me any kind of spark, I'm saying, hey, take a break, go sit down over there, take a water break, and let's put these guys in and let's see how they do.

I do I well, well, Freakin said age, because I hope that they've got the guts to sit Jalen and or Layton. If Parsons and or Cox is that much better, Like if Parsons is what we think he can be, and he's just he can cover sideline to sideline in the blink of an eye and get after the you know, get downfield and sat like, if he can do everything we think he can, he should be on the field

the most of any of the three. I will say this that this is something that I think, at least I had the impression when Jason Garrett was here he was partial two vets, Like I think he got his vets and he loved his vets and he didn't want to get rid of he didn't want part ways with the vets. I don't know if I know yet what Mike McCarthy is. I do think he took way too long, and maybe it wasn't his call, but I think as

a team. They took way too long last year with some of those vets they brought in to make the decision to either sit them down or get rid of them because they weren't playing well. It was clear they weren't playing well, and they step kept putting them out there. Maybe they feel like they didn't have a lot of

other options. I don't know, But I don't know if that was because McCarthy was making that decision and he was tied to his vets and he trusted vets more than he would a young guy, or he's a situation where he didn't think he had a lot of options.

I think this will be an interesting off season in summer for us to figure out how he feels about veterans, because you know, we did see during training camp they did you know, they let his boy go, and so that that was his guy from Green Bay that they let walk right out of the door, and so I look at it. I want to find out a little bit more about how he feels about vets, because I think we pretty much know what Jason felt. I want

to see how McCarthy feels about veterans. All those guys, all of the Vets were guys that Jason Garrett brought in. Other like, these two draft classes are the only ones Mike McCarthy was responsible for bringing here. Yeah, so that's that's a good point. All right, Let's go ahead and move on to the next position. We're not gonna get through much of this, so we we'll save some of this for next week. But let's talk about the cornerback position.

Kelvin Joseph selected in the second round out of Kentucky. You've got Treyvon Diggs, Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, Reggie Robinson, Kelvin Joseph, and Nahan right, obviously being the two drafted players. Who do you think should be the players that should be really worried at this point going into training camp. I don't know. I mean, I guess, you know, Reggie Robinson to make the team. You know, Anthony Brown, I

mean better, he better play well. I mean, I'm sure they could probably part ways with that contract if they wanted to. Um, you know, I mean you could throw him in that mix. Um, let's not forget And is Kennedy in there? He is? Technically, I haven't he's on the list. I've been meaning to ask if he's definitely coming back. I mean his contract told so he's still here. But I mean I haven't never met the guy, never talked to him. I almost forgot about him. I saw

his name, forget about it. And then then when you just said, I was like, oh, they did bring him last year, and they had a role in my depresional team. Yeah, they did have a role in my good wins, which is, in my opinion, the best betchal teams player they've had in a long time. Honestly, he's the best sense and maybe even be better than Jeff he special teams, I agree, which he makes plays is the point. Yeah, obviously Heath's name is being mentioned. He's a guy that probably has

been cut or by the Raiders. I don't think the Cowboys have interested in that right now. What we'll need to go backwards, like keep going forward, Just keep moving forward. Three guys only three guys picked off my homes last year. I don't care. Keep moving forward, like I know, well, yeah, I'm moving forward. But I'm just saying, if he's a backup safety that can play special teams like he should, that's what he should have been all along, not a starter.

He should have been a backup player to play special teams. That's what he's really good at. That's what he But guys, you know, guys want to make millions, I guess, or the guy that want to be a starter. But I mean, you know, you see it in the NBA too, you see guys that are starters. But really, when they get back to that role player, that's what they're better suited for.

And that's what I think Jeffy's better to do. But I don't believe the Cowboys are going to go that route, all right, Dave, I mean, Reggie Robinson and Maurice Kennedy's probably the best answer. I do specifically wonder about Anthony Brown because I mean, we know he can play inside and outside, but Jordan's really mainly only ever been a nickelback. And it's hard to imagine dan Quinn drafted a bunch of you know, they drafted Grout if you're familiar with

Marvel and so it's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine they're going to put a five ten corner on the boundary if dan Quinn likes all these super big, super long corners. So Anthony Brown stands out to me as a guy like, you know, maybe he loses a starting job if Kelvin joseph Is lives up to the hype. But at the same time, I just looked it up, like you could, you could cut or trade Anthony Brown

or Jordan Lewis and get away with it. But I think they're probably more valuable to you on the team than off because, like you know, George, I think Jordan Jordan would hit you for like here, I got it right here. Jordan would hit you for four million, and you don't save any money by doing it. Anthony Brown would hit you for five million and you save one million. So like, if you're just desperate to get them off your team, you could, but I think you'd rather just

have healthy cornerbacks. So like the money, I mean, what we're hearing from Steven is like they want to do this because they get these deals. Wouldn't save you money the way that like Antoine Woods, It's like, if you're desperate to not have him here, you could do that,

but I don't see that. So I think that you're just having four or five quality cornerbacks is a good problem to have, and that yeah, Reggie Robinson and Maurice Kennedy are probably maybe looking over at Dson without even getting a shot last year on the field of cruel It's a cold world out here, man on the street, cold world, all right, Amber, Like, I don't care more

than all of us combined. I mean, I know, I'm just saying, you know, he didn't get a chance to get in the game, so he does have Yeah, him might be a safety honestly, And I do think, and I had this written down here, does is he a guy that maybe they's because I and I don't want to go too far into that conversation, but I think if you look at anything that the Cowboys didn't really address much in free agency or the draft, it's safety.

There's still possibly some opportunity there for some player who could step up into that world. Go ahead, Amber, I'm gonna have to agree with what they said. When he comes to Anthony Brown though, even though he's a guy that last year, you know, we've been talking about him and just seeing the way he struggled on the field, it's just hard for me to imagine right now someone else kind of taking over that right now because of the amount of time. You know, there's a curve, a

learning curve that needs to happen there. So just the fact that he is a veteran and has the game. I'm not gonna say, oh, he's gonna be the best player or the best cornerback or anything. But because of his experience, I think that's still valuable. So it's just gonna come down to Kennedy and these guys that haven't really done much, and unfortunately you have to say bye to some of them. All Right, that's a rap. We're going to be back next week and we'll get into

some of these other positions. We have more we got to go through. We'll talk about defensive tackle, defensive end, offensive line. There's more to get to there, maybe wide receiver, and we'll talk about some positions maybe like the safety position that the Cowboys have not addressed enough in free agency or the draft, and what the Cowboys should do there. We'll do all that when we come back next week. Till then, For Nick Eatman, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia,

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