Cowboys Break: FA Wins & Losses

of The Break. We are alive in the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick, Amber and Dave with me, and we're we get the free agency. Now. Cowboys have made some moves. They've signed five players, they've lost five plays years, they resigned a few of their own. Um, and we're going to spend the show talking about what the Cowboys have done so far in free agency and getting these guys opinions on what they think. Uh, let's start first with just the big overall um and the

big question. How do you think the Cowboys have done from the standpoint of their approach to free agency this year? Was there anything that stood out to you or was it pretty much kind of what you expect. It'll start with you, Nick, It's what I expected. It's what we all expected, honestly, and uh, you know, they they they made a splash when when they signed Dak Prescott and and and then not just Dak, but the other guys at that position. They have high profile players at a

lot of positions that they that's their strategy. They resigned their own. They don't have a lot and they've been bargain shopping. They did it last year, didn't work. I mean, they've done it several years, and then they're doing it this year. They're trying to get bargains and you know, it's it's all they really have to do because they don't have a lot of money. Amber, I guess, I mean,

I guess it's fine right now. It's just so hard to tell because you never know how these guys are really going to turn out once they get here, and even so even during training camp, we don't know until the season actually starts, So it's hard to tell right now. I am, I guess a letter curious to see what they do with these safeties that are supposed to be visiting with them. So at least that's nice to hear that they are getting some safeties in the building to

look at it, but just overall, nothing that we didn't expect. Really, we've been talking about it here since forever. This is kind of what they do. But at least they're making some moves on defense specifically, so that's a good positive, Dave. I mean, if you're talking about what stands out, it's just I mean, it might as well be a handbook at this point. They do. I mean, they signed a

veteran offensive tackle whose resume probably doesn't vow you. They made some bargain signings on the defensive line to kind of air quote sure that thing up. Um and then and yeah, and they're they're bargain hunting with name guys who, for a variety of reasons, um, you know, don't have the resume to be more expensive. Keyan O'Neill is a great player. He's missed two seasons due to injury. It's probably a big part of the reason why he was

able to be had so cheaply. If they wind up signing Malie Cooker or Demante Casey, it'll be for a similar reason. Kase. I think they're both coming off of season ending injuries. So oh and then and they resigned a couple of their key guys. You know, bringing Jordan Lewis back, I think is a good bargain signing. But again, this is, to Nick's point, probably a year seven in a row that it's looked fairly similar to this and

hasn't always worked out very well or at all. Um, there's a couple of these that I'm optimistic about, but at this point that's about it, you know, as all you can do is hope that this will turn out better than the last, and we're gonna get into them. We're going to talk specifically about each of these deals

that the Cowboys have made. There's another question I have for you guys, tho you are there deals as you look across the NFL and you see players that have been signed, are there deals that you look at and you're like, man, I really wish the Cowboys would have done that, like, you know, for the money and for the player where their deals, you were like, the Cowboys probably could have made that work, and I think it

would have been a good move for them. I'll start with you, Nick, I can't think of one, honestly, and I haven't maybe looked that closely. But I just think that that they're in a different boat. You see a lot of these one and two year deals. Obviously teams aren't or players aren't trying to get tied up locked up into knowing. I haven't seen a long term deal, Like the longest I think I've seen is maybe three three year deal. And yeah, and that's probably one that

could be voided down to two. You know, if when you get to when the salary cap starts increasing back in the next couple of years. So when you do deals like that, you have to have some cap you know, you have to have you have to have cap space to do that, because you just don't have any can't. You know, they only had seventeen or eighteen million going into this thing, So you can't do a deal like that. I haven't seen one specifically. Dave might have a better answer,

or Amber. I'd way rather have Dalvin Tomlinson for two years twenty two million dollars than like half of the guys they've signed for sure. Yeah, that's a I mean, and that's not expensing. I mean, I know they don't have a lot of money, but you can add voidable years. That's the new vogue thing to do in the NFL, or sign him and three fewer guys and make it work like they I mean, if that's all it took to get him out of New York, that was shocking

to me. And maybe that's because the salary cap is so much lower, but I would have done that deal in a heartbeat. I'm looking to see if anything else really jumps out at me. That was the one that really, I'm not gonna say it upset me, but I was like, that's all a cost to get that good of a defensive tackle, which this is. This is maybe a little bit unfair, but I've always said it's not so much the signings, but the creative ways the teams get aggressive.

If you tell me that I could have had Michael Brocker's for a future seventh round pick, bring it on and Wolf structures contract. We'll figure it out. Absolutely. Like I said, that might not be fair because they traded Brocker's to Detroit. Detroit's new GM used to work for the Rams. That's maybe a little bit of a sweetheart situation. But pick up those phones, man, call around like there's

a cap crunch. Teams have had to make difficult decisions all over the league, and if you're proactive about it, you can wind up getting guys like Michael Brocker's for a seventh round pick. So there were a few bargain deals that I would have liked to have seen them go after. For sure. Did you see anything ember that that kind of piqued your interest? Well, just in general. And I'm sure this might be different for you guys because you guys know more people around the league and everything,

But to me, it's always the same story. It's like I just always wish and I know that they signed back and all that, but I just wish that someone that I kind of knew more of would be signed through free agency because I'm always having to investigate, Okay, who's this guy, what has he done, where was he at, what's his deal? And it's always someone that I don't

really know much about. So that's it's not really fun or exciting when you are getting the name thrown your way saying, oh, we signed this guy but you never heard of really. But one guy that I will mention that this stand out to me was LP Lady, sir. What they did with him not resigning him and getting what's the guy's name from the Ram McQuaid. Yeah, that was totally surprising to me. And I get the relationship there between John Fossil and like special teams and the

Rams and blah blah. But at the same time, it's like, why LP has been here for so long. He's never done anything bad. He doesn't necessarily have a smile on his face when he walks around, but he's the guy that's fine on the field. He doesn't cause problems on the field, you know, so funny. Everybody kind of chuckled when you said that kind of gooead is it just

you know guy, he's kind of surly. It's an interesting but no, when when you talk about a guy on the field that has done his job for so many years and being here for so long, that to me was definitely surprising not to hear the Cowboys signing him at least on another one year deal. Yeah, it kind of surprised me a little bit too, But I just refused to get myself worked up over a long snapper, Like, am I crazy because E eight snaps a game? Like, yeah,

that's what you're talking about. And Jake McQuoid has been to two Pro Bowls. I know LP's been here forever. But I saw it happen and I was like, oh, it's kind of weird, but that's fossil Sky all right, onto the next one. Yeah, that's basically my That was my thought process. It's kind of like you get a new job and they let you bring your secretary. Okay, fine, I don't that's fine. Whatever you want, like, it's it's fine.

It may not a feal better um, okay, So real quick, before we move on to actually going through some of these different contracts called that anymore? Do it secretary? They don't? Did I say something? All? Now? What do they call the administrative administrative? Administrative assistance? I got caught. You know, you know it's funny. I know, but it's funny. It's like you can make that argument both ways though, you know, you can say, Okay, I'm not gonna get worked up.

It's a it's a long snapper. Okay, But go back to what she said. What's the problem why Because because he's a little surly. Now again, maybe he didn't say something. Maybe he kind of talked back and to me. I don't know, maybe he doesn't see eye to eye with fossil he's a long snapper, and he's one of the best ones. So this this guy McQuaid, he's probably gonna make more money and guess what, he has to be better than zero snaps ever, I mean, that's that's I'm

just saying. It sounds like he is though. It sounds like he's a really really good long snapper. So you know what, go back and watch every high school, college pro football game. We watched a lot of football, most of us, you know, watching a lot of football. Understanding I'm talking about Friday. How many bad snaps do you see? Well, I will tell in college you don't see you don't see him a ton. But let's go back. Let's go

back to when they were making that transition from hell astray. Yeah, that was a little bit of a rocky time, Like you had some snaps in there that just kind of weren't on point. It was and you're gonna yeah, I know. But but but when you get a good when you don't worry about it because it doesn't happen, right, bad ones don't happen. Yeah, there's there's thirty two out there, you know, thirty two jobs, and these most of them are pretty good. I'm kind of surprised that they haven't

turned it over fewer than this. You know, I kind of agree. So all I'm saying is is that if he was, if there was anything going on that was like, you know, I'm getting rid of him. I mean, you can say, well, no big deal, is a long snapper, but they could have also said, Okay, he's a long snapper, he does his job and all that. So it is curious. It's curious a little bit, I guess. My point forty

though he turned forty. My point is that if you're if it's one or the other and they're about the same as far as their abilities, and you happen to feel more comfortable with one or the other. And again that we're making a lot of suff We're assuming a lot here, but let's assume that the special team's coach Fossil just felt more comfortable with the guy that he had in with the RAMS. Then if I'm the organization and the contracts up on the other guy anyway, I mean,

is it really that big a deal? Fine, bringing in the guy you feel comfortable as long as he's good, then you know, I don't really have a problem with it one way or the other. And so that's why for me, I just kind of was like, I get your point. Ever, I was kind of a little like my eyebrowery. He's like, really, why would they just make this swatchwa But at the end of the day, I was kind of like, well, this guy seems like he's just as good, So okay, fine, not that big a deal.

If he was an undecorated, unexperienced player, I would probably be making a bigger deal of this. But he's been in the league for ten years in his own right, He's been two Pro Bowls. If that's who John Fossils doing it, I don't know, but he's I mean, he's been in the league since twenty eleven. So guys play a long time, play a ton like a long time.

Probably four thirty five probably, I would say around thirty three thirty three, okay, yeah, so he could probably play another ten years maybe, And I think one year, I think one year that Fossil was there, I think all three RAMS specialists made the Pro Bowl. I think Zerline, I believe, and then mcquad. But I've told this to Dave. I mean, it seems like it's been two years since

that happened. I mean, it's only been a week or so, but I mean, you know who wins off this Witten jc Witz, it gets to hold that record, baby games played. LP was at two fifty three chomping away on that cookie, ready to get him and not so fast, my friend, you like old league corso not so. But you know it could be interesting here too that that obviously we wouldn't know until we talked to Fossil and probably had to talk to him off the record to get this.

But are there things and we saw it this last year he's unconvinced. We know that he does some unconventional things. Are there things that from a snapping standpoint that maybe there are some nuances that he looks at and he's like, I just don't think El Pete does that in the same way this other guys. Does it recognize a certain things, you know? I mean, if you're trying to run fakes and stuff, snapping the ball to a different person might be a little different. I don't know. I don't know

a lot about the art of long snapping. But all I'm saying is I think right now we're making a lot of assumptions. I would love to talk to the special team's coach and find out what are the differences that you look at and a long snapper, because there may be some differences that we just aren't talking about them. You know, feel free to drag me, like, pull this show out of the receipts in October when he botches a snap. But I can't believe we're I'm just like,

we don't want to. I just can't. But first of all, superstitions aren't real. Second of all, I can't believe we dedicated like eight minutes to the long snapper. That's right, guy Amber did that. Another as long as we're right, as long as we're talking, I thought of another one. Anthon Harris to Philadelphia one year, five million dollars. I have done that deal, which I won't mind as much if they come away with one of these guys that's

visiting this week. I and it's draft bias for sure, But Malee Hooker was a hell of a college safety and he's shown that he can do it at a pretty high level when he's healthy. That would excite me. But Anthony Harris had six interceptions in twenty nineteen. He's played you know, he doesn't get hurt, He's he hasn't missed many games over the last three four years. One year, five million dollars. I would have done that for sure.

So of those guys, let's switch to that. Of the guys that they have in here right now, do you have a favorite? Do you have a guy that you liked him to sign? Between Hooker and Kaze or like, what which one do you do you like most? Go ahead, cause he is a has been a ballhawk. I mean he's got seven interceptions one year and three another. So you like that. Um, what you don't like is that, you know, Zeke didn't have a lot of highlights last

year Ezekiel Elliott. One of them was he trucked over because in the end zone and almost I mean I hurt him, remember the touchdown against the Falcons where I mean he took him. He just got up like last week from that he was already in Dallas. They're like, why didn't you bring me here? So now we do need to do a medical on you. But from a safety standpoint, you don't love that mar That's why that

Keyan O'Neil's here. Today's exactly. I was just kN O'Neil is here to hit Zeke Demantekauze Casey stay thirty yards behind the last. You stay back there. And I mean if if Zeke gets through to you, which one is which one's coming off the Achilles CAZy which and what is Hooker coming off of. I've looked this up a million times and I always forget he's had two back to back. He had an acl and Achilles smith but he did play play last year. He was not hurt

last year. Um. Yes, Hooker's coming off in Achilles from week two of last season. So both the safeties they have in today and that's why they're here. Like visits are not a thing in the NFL anymore unless they you know, the Cowboys want to take a look and see, you know, how you recovering, how you moving, But what's your timetables? Looking at him? You know physicals too, So um, I mean that used to scare me more. You know,

the the Achilles injury, especially for a defensive back. You know, I think Barry Church had it twenty twelve or thirteen. The Cowboys actually signed him. He was he was having a pretty good, you know, career two or three years and he gets an achilles injury and the Cowboys signed him immediately and said four or five year deal cheap probably, but they made a commitment to him, and he you know, it was it was a good player. You know, it

was a bargain. He was a bargain then. But I don't think you saw any effects of the Achilles for him. He was never a guy that could run super fast for a safety. Hope, Barry he's not well. I mean, Barry was a don't think he would argue all Mac player from Toledo four years in a row, freshman to senior. Wasn't drafted. There's because he probably I think he ran a four seven for eight, but he could play. Yeah, and you know, and I think the Akiller's injury really

didn't affect him from that standpoint. So I you know, if they come back, and yeah, I'd like either one of them would help. And I'm curious where they all fit into this, because Donan Wilson can play. He's got a spot somewhere, and so I'm curious to see, you know, O'Neill. There's been talk of a linebacker role for him. So let's assume for a second that they signed one of these two guys you could take, which every choice you liked of the two, and then you combine that with

Kean O'Neill. Do you feel like the Cowboys may have something finally at safety between the combination that gets them farther a hit than where they've been over the last several years, or do you think that still is a huge, huge area of weakness for them going into the draft. I think I will again, like, I will feel optimistic, Yeah, but these are I guarantee you if one of them signs, it'll be a one or two year deal. Prove it, see what we can get, so it won't be long

term fixed. And I will be optimistic that the safety position has the potential to be better than it hasn't a long long time, but I'm not going to bank on it. Like, I would absolutely still draft a safety in the top one hundred if it fell that way, wouldn't even think twice about it, even if he's mainly a special teamer as a rookie, I don't care. So I would feel optimistic, but like not confident. Yeah, I mean, you're not going to take one at number ten. I don't.

I don't believe there is one that you would take that. I've not heard of one I don't study it every day like Dave, but there's I mean, I don't even know if you trade down, let's say to a fifteen or sixteen, that would still be a reach to take a safety there. So I mean we at the end of the day, you never fully know. Like the biggest example I can think of is the Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell in the top five a couple of years ago.

Nobody saw that coming. Like, all these teams have different grades on these guys, but conventional wisdom says the best safety in the draft is probably TCUs Tryvan Morrig, and I would be shocked if he gets drafted before you know, if he gets drafted in the top like twenty five,

I would be pretty surprised. Yeah. So yeah, So you know, once you get out of the first round, then you're talking about second round and on and just about every position other than quarterback you would consider at that at that I mean even running back if you wanted to.

I mean, you could you consider all positions in the second round, you know, And we saw what they did with Ceedee Lamb, which, by the way, this morning, at like six thirty in the morning, I wake up or whatever time it was, and I started thinking of the Chase one Calevon, Yeah, like, what did he do last year? Nothing? He really didn't. He's a rotational guy. He had one sack, so, which is exactly on the trek trajectory of of of the Cowboys defensive end pick from a few years ago.

The time. I'm not going to pretend that I watched all of I don't think I watched the snap of Jaguars football last year. But that's what we said Jason would be all last year. Like people at like don't get it twisted. That's what we said. We were like, if you draft this guy, you're doing it as a long term project and hoping he gets better. He ain't gonna be anything more than a rotational guy as a rookie, and that's why you should draft Ceedee lamb Like, it's

very obvious which one is better. So all right, we're gonna take our first break and we come back. We're gonna dive into these players that the Cowboys did sign and also some of the guys that they lost and get some opinions on where the guys they signed may fit and how much of a loss some of those guys that they lost will be. We'll talk about that when we come back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Honey, Big News, Gary, Are you okay? Oh? I'm not Gary anymore.

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and Dave and Amber and we're talking Cowboys football. We're talking about free agency. We're about a weekend at this point, and so let's go through some of these additions that the Cowboys have made. I want you guys to talk to me. I'll throw out a name, and I want you guys to give me your thoughts on the signing and where you think they fit, because there are some interesting ones in here, particularly the first one we went to get to about where they fit and how the

Cowboys may use him. Let's start with safety Kean O'Neil. He was originally a first round pick seventeenth overall pick in twenty sixteen of the Falcons. He signed a one year, four million dollar deal, three million of that is guaranteed. What do you think of the signing and where does he fit? Well? I think that it's he's a guy that's going to probably play closer to the line of

scrimmage and then back. He's had three healthy years. He gets a hundred tackles every time in those three years, and so you know, there's been some talking he's going to play some linebacker. This scheme is going to be a little bit different. I think that he'll you know, right now, we're calling him a safety. You know, that's what everybody that's been on record to talk about it has said has said nothing different than that, because there hasn't been anyone talking about it. So we call him

a safety. But I think he could play closer to the line of scrimmage. I think, I mean, I think people get too caught up in trying to label. I think he's going to do a lot of stuff. I think I think it's probably their best signing so far. I'm not trying to pump him up as the answer to all of their defensive woes, but this is a great intersection of talented player who's still young. He's only

twenty five, he's been new a Pro Bowl. He's had some injuries, but to Nick's point, when he's been healthy, he's been productive, he's not your center fielder, he's not that guy, but he's a thumper. He's going to tackle everybody. I would play him at strong safety close to the line. Don't freak out about Donovan Wilson because he can move down Like, no, he's not gonna play will linebacker all

the time, but he can play nickel linebacker. Wouldn't be shocked if he's your linebacker in dime packages just to get speed on the field. That was what you're saying, maybe half basically, what would be three safeties with him being a linebacker. Yeah, sure, and we've seen I know it was Rod not dan Quinn, but we've seen them play three safeties back at times as well. They did that with JJ Wilcox when he was still here. Jeff Heath kind of got his break as that third safety,

so he could do that. I won't I won't be surprised at all if he played like him and Layton could play nicol linebacker in obvious passing situations because that was Jalen's biggest problem arguably last year. So yeah, absolutely, that's the thing, and that's great. You can you know, you can find three or four different roles for him, So like I said, I'm not trying to I don't know if he's Jamal Adams, but he could be that type of guy, and I think that's the type of

signing I like to see them do. For sure. I do have a doubt or more of a question for you guys in general, as I look at the whole list of free agent guys that they've signed, and I know it's very common throughout the league for players to have some type of versatility where they can switch around from place to place, you know, But a lot of these guys, like we just talked about Neil and then these other defensive players that it's whether tackle or defensive end,

like where are you at? And I get it. We don't like to label or whatever, and it depends on the scheme or and all that. But I can't help but always think about Tyrone Crawford, and I know he was a key guy because you need guys like that, But in general, I mean, is it more of a problem or a concern or like to have so many guys that have that kind of versatility, or is it better to have a guy that has a specific role assigned and focus on a specific place on the field.

Slash scheme. Do you guys see that like, I don't know, do you see the versatility as a pro or could that actually come back and bite them in the butt type of stuff like you've been talking about that for years. Yeah, in this particular case, I don't think it's a major issue because like for Tyrone Crawford, you know, yeah, oh he could play inside, he could play outside. But like in the offseason, he's got to figure out do I wait two nineties or I need to wait two sixty

five to seventy? Am I gonna play end? Am I gonna play tackle? Because and that's a big difference. But I think for Neil, I think what Dave is saying about how they're gonna play him is first and second down, maybe over here, third down, closer to the line of scrimmage. I think he's just gonna I think he understands the scheme. So I don't think I think they know exactly how they're gonna play him. We may not know, And so we look at it like is he a linebackers he safety?

I think he's you know, Darren Woodson played linebacker on Nickel Kenny Gant the Shark. He played linebacker and nickel. I mean, it's just how you want to play a fast guys down in a in a situation like that. So he's gonna play I think, the same body level that he was, and he's a veteran. He understands where he's doing. So it's a great question. But I don't think as as far as a safety who might play some linebacker, I don't think it's that big a difference

the rest of the guys. I mean, I know we're about to go through them, eat each of them, but just in general, a general idea, you think that they go into the season kind of having a role for each guy or kind of you know, because we hear it prior to the season started, like press conferences at the draft that we hear like Steven Jones be like, well, if we need him at a safety or a corner, we can switch. Here's the thing you got a factor in.

Here's what we don't know yet. Is this going to be a four to three or a hybrid four three three four? Right? If this is going to be the kind of defense where they're gonna morph based upon kind of the situation. Sometimes they have four down line and sometimes they will morph intwo or three four. If they're going to do that, they need some guys that are flexible, like like, for example, if you bring in a guy Terrell,

bash them if you bring him in. He is that type of stand up He's been that traditional stand up outside linebacker that you would think can also slide down and become a hand on the ground own defensive end. Right, But you can need those kind of guys that can do either. Randy Gregor would be another guy that's like that.

So you would need that sort of versatility if you're going to be that kind of defense and those defenses, and there are some around the league that do that, that kind of morph between different fronts based upon what the situation is in the game and based upon the opponent. So I do think that that has to be factored in. And we don't know that yet. We haven't nobody in this room has had a chance to talk to Dan Quinn,

so we don't know what his thoughts are. And even when we do talk to him, I'm not sure he's going to be as fourth. Right with that, we might not know that until we get to training camp or until we get to the season. So all I'm saying is with regards of versatility, I think we have to wait and learn more about that. And if they are going to be a hybrid defense, then they're gonna need versail. Guys. Everybody's gonna have to be versatile and be able to

move around based upon the front that they're playing. I guess that's the aspect that I keep forgetting about that. We do have a new guy, dan Quinn, and we don't know how he thinks, but I guess my mentality and judgment goes more based on what we've seen in the past and what the things that we've heard in the past. It's like, okay, but I do okay. We have not heard from dan Quinn and we have no idea what his plan is. So that's a yeah, that's

a good point. Yeah. I think Urban, Brent Urban is gonna be the Tyrone Crawford um of you know this this type this team, because I mean, he's played some defensive end, he's played some tackle, he's played in a three to four and in a four to three, so you know, And as it was, I have I have a good friend who's a big time Bears fan, and he told me good solid player, nothing flashy, but he's dependable and he'll he'll get the job to About Crawford,

they were talking about it was funny, but that's my point. He sent that to me about Urban and I said, that's funny. I could say the exact same thing about Andy Dalton, who you just signed. He was like, Yeah, the money's different, so it's not that's not what you want for your quarterback. Dependable, flashy, gonna get the job done. For the most part, nothing great, all right. I will

say this though, too, about Keyan O'Neil. If you remember back to that that team at Atlanta put on the field that went to the Super Bowl, he was that defense was pretty good that year, and he was one of the leaders of that defense. He was one of the better players on that defense. And I think that's the part that makes me a little bit optimistic of what he can be here. Now. Again, that was years ago, but at that time they had they had that defense was flying around and there were a lot of people

that thought that. Of course their offense was really really good, but a lot of people thought that they were on their way to making that defense in the mold of what they had in Seattle and things just kind of fell apart on him. A lot of that had to do with injuries, but certainly he has that kind of ability and we'll see if he can recreate that here

with the Cowboys. One of the questions I have for you guys on Keian O'Neil, are you at all concerned because he is the same type of player to some degree as Wilson And as you said, Nick, we believe that Donovan Wilson can play. Are you all concerned about now basically him having to take a step back with regards to his time on the field because the project we would project, I would think right now most of us probably project the Kiano Neil making four million dollars

this year is going to be your starter. Are you all concerned that Wilson's gonna have to take a step back and not necessarily get as mini STAPs as he would get otherwise? Ha ha. Clinton Dix was making three and a half, So great point, just saying they, I mean, and I like the Keanu at at with the Cowboys track record of adding quality free agents, should I just assume you're saying that's not even fair. I'm just saying I don't, I don't trust that this is going to work,

at least not completely. They don't. They don't deserve that benefit of the doubt in my opinion. UM, I think Kean O'Neil will make the team and start and be pretty good. So so with that being said, are you concerned about Wilson in his development? No, Like there's I think they play eleven hundred snaps a season. They're like, there's more than enough to go around. Um, I like, I hesitate to say this because there's no way to say it without sounding like a hater. Donovan Wilson looked

great last year. I'm not convinced that, like he's not so good that I'm like, well, he's like, you gotta he's gotta be on the field. You gotta like like, no, go to training camp and somebody will emerge and it'll be fine. Well that's basically how I feel about it. Most of the time. Those guys, you know, can play together. I mean, most safeties are interchangeable and you can play

them that way. These guys, neither one of them is a center fielder type, so I wouldn't think you're gonna put them on the field if it's only two safeties on the field. I wouldn't think youre going to play them together, right or am I'm missing something? What about what we just? I mean, how much time to teams spend in nickel and dime these days? So you can move Kean O'Neil down and Nickel roll and have Donovan Wilson be your strong safety like and that's kinda to

go back to your point. Ag is in my mind in the modern NFL, and this is simplistic, but like the only the only positions that are fixed on the back end are the boundary corners, like you need two guys out there covering the two main wide receivers. Everything else is just sort of nebulous, Like I mean, the Patriots are a perfect example of that, Like they never look the same. They got guys wandering all over the place.

Somebody's up, somebody's down. Yeah, So that just there's a million roles to go around, and if you can play football, you'll be on the field. You had two interceptions last year Wilson, and I believe both of them if I remember correctly, we're both. He was kind of playing in center field and kind of made a play. One of the ball bounced to him. Um, but with this, with this team and interceptions, I mean, the ball just doesn't

bounce to a lot of players, so it happens. He also made a nice play on the ball for an interception, and I guess the forty nine ers game where you know, made a play. So I think he can. I don't think he's your ball hawk for you pretty safety, but you think he could in situation he could. I think he needs to be on the field. I think he's going to continue to get better. I wouldn't worry about it.

I mean, it's just funny. It's like here we are, we're talking about you think we could have too many safeties, Like that's a great point, and again that's laughable. I have a high opinion of Donovan Wilson, so I'm like reluctant to say this, but it's kind of you know, all through last week, people were like, what do you mean we're not adding new talent? This defense was awful,

the worst ever. They're so bad, and then Donovan Wilson comes up in conversation, it's like, well, he's amazing, Like you know, like you can't you can't mess with Donovan Wilson's playing time. And I just I think he's a promising young player, but I'm just I'm not as ready to annoint him as some people are. All right, let's jump to offensive tackle, tie and Secky. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. Is that Secky correct? All right? So he was an undrafted player back in twenty twelve with

the Indianapolis Colts. Cowboys signed him to a one year, one point seven five million dollars deal five hundred thousand dollars that guaranteed he will be the guy that is projected. I think we all project him to be your swing tackle because Cam Irving has now left the building. What do you think of the signing? Where does he fit and is it good enough as your swing tackle in a situation because this is the key where both your starting tackles are coming off season ending injuries last year.

I hope they don't think so. I mean, that's that's my answer. I guess. I mean, that's it's fine. That's what they do every year. And for the most part, these guys haven't been great, but they haven't been terrible. Cam Fleming handled it okay at times. Irving when he got a chance later in the season, he was okay, but especially like one year deal for a thirty five year old player who I think Rob Rob pointed this out that he's got two more starts in his career

than Terrence Steele made last year. So yeah, it wasn't really an upgrade. All yeah, that's what we're talking. And I will say, I love this guy's story. It's awesome. Undrafted player in two thousand and nine, kicked around the Arena League for like four years, had a cup of coffee in the NFL, got sent back to the Arena League, went to this Canadian Football League, and then finally played well enough to stick around in Washington for a few years.

And this is his third free agent deal, So like, so much respect for the grind, like to I mean, and he's turned it into like a viable career. But if a good offensive tackle comes up on the board next month during the draft and the you know, first, second, third, fourth, whatever round and they're like, I think we're good because we got tie, Like, no, come on, man, that's not good team building. Yeah, he he was in a good situation in Washington because you know, their guys were hurt

all the time. You know, it seems like every time the Cowboys were going to face them, it was like, well, they're their lines beat up and they got to play this guy. He can't even pronounce his name. He has to play right tackle. I mean, he didn't play a lot of starts, but he's played a lot of games because Washington always had injuries on the offensive line, So you know that. I think I agree with Dave. I mean, he's just he's he'd be a good guy to have.

I'm not saying he's a training camp body, because that's that's a lot of money for that. But yeah, that's how I see it. When I heard about tackle, I'm like, oh, yeah, tackle, we need one. And then I started reading about him and I'm like, oh, oh okay, this just sounds more like a body too high. He's in there. Here's the thing that I've said for fifteen years about this team that needs to be better at and all teams need to be good from the top to the bottom. You

need to be good from one to fifty three. One to ten. Cowboys are just as good as anybody, almost, but one to fifty three when there's injuries, you gotta have some depth. You can't get there without making moves like this. That's just that's that's part of it. It's the moves like Insecchi and Urban and bash them. I think might be a little bit more than that. But you know, I mean, like, if they signed a guy today I forgot his name, they're bringing in the other

safety to throw. I mean, he's not you know, that's like your Kennedy type guy that they tried to get last year. You have to fill the roster with players they you know they can play, and they're not all going to be projected Pro bowlers. And I will say this too. I I just sort of talked down on Tye and Secky, but and I think I think they'll draft a guy, maybe not with the tenth overall pick, but I bet they'll draft a tackle next month somewhere. And so if you take a draft pick, ty Terrence

Steele has made fourteen starts. You can talk trash about them all you want, but that's valuable. Brandon Knights made twenty. That's four pretty decent options behind one of the best duos in football if they're healthy. So all of that told, I feel really good about the position overall. I just don't know if tie and Secki himself is the answer to that problem. So with that being said, would you guys, are you guys on board with the route that the Cowboys seem to be taking or do you think they

should have gone the route of paying cam Irving? Basically? What he got he got a two year deal for ten million dollars guarantee he would not know. Okay, absolutely not. They got a I think they're in line for like a sixth round com pick and cam Irving played like five games last year. I heard lot I no offense to the Carolina Panthers, but that one kind of made my eyebrows perk up a little bit. It Honestly, I've

I've always wondered this. You know, the coaching staff here made the conscious choice, because this was before he was hurt. They made the conscious choice that they liked, that they seemed to like the other young tackles over yeah, cam Irving, and that to me spoke volumes. And so when I saw this deal, it made me think either they grossly

misevaluated him or the Panthers are grossly misevaluating him. But somebody grossly misevaluated this guy, right, There's just only so many capable offensive tackles in the NFL right now, like that's you gotta do it. It's it's like quarterbacks, Like I bet the Panthers were like, I can't believe we're doing this, but it's better than whatever's already here. Who got side first? And Sechi or or cam Irving was like one of the first things that happened on one day. Yeah,

so they could have gotten Inseci maybe, Yeah. Good. I wonder if he's gonna be their start. I wonder if he's penciled as a start. The difference is is that Cam Irving. First of all, you can pronounce his name. Second of all, he was a first round pick. Third, he's not thirty five years old. I mean like he's this guy's been around. It wouldn't surprise me if if he doesn't make the team for the Cowboys. Yeah, that

wan'ts surprise. I wouldn't shock me. But with what Dave said, drafting a guy and and heck they might even get another you know, Terrence Steele in the undrafted free agent you get you can start putting these guys together, and it all start with the two starters. If they're looking good and feeling good, then you're like maybe, I mean, maybe he's not he's not gonna make it. He's not making a lot of money, so yeah, it's a career backup. It might be cheaper to keep it. I don't know.

I don't think there's a single guy they sign that they're married to for the money. So we're just going with the puns. You're on the marriage ry. Sorry, all right, We're gonna take our final break. We come back. We're gonna talk a couple of other guys Cowboys signed, Carlos Watkins, Brent Urban Terrell, bash them, talk about where they fit and how great these signings are for the Cowboys. Doton, We'll come back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio

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free agency. I want to package these three guys together because they seem like they all kind of came in pretty quick together. I know they all came in to sign together, but Carlos Watkins was a defensive tackle, fourth round pick of the of the Houston Techans back Texans back in twenty seventeen. Cowboys signed him to a one year, one point seven five million dollar deal four hundred thousand guaranteed. Brent Urban defensive end. He was a third round pick

of the Baltimore Ravens back in twenty fourteen. Has played with Tennessee in Chicago since then. He also assigned to a one year deal one point seven five million, although all of his one point seven five is guaranteed. And then you had defensive end to Roll Basham, who was a third round pick of the Jets back in twenty seventeen Colts he was traded to the Jet or now he was released and claimed by the Jets. I'm sorry, got it. Sorry, And then he was signed to a

two year deal six point five million. Obviously, his money's very different than the other two. Talk to me about what the Cowboys may have been getting with these three players and maybe how they all fit into this defense that obviously we've all talked about needs a ton of help, I think. I mean, to Nick's point from the last segment, Urban is intriguing, I think, and I you know, take this with a grain of salt, but pro football Focus graded him as one of the five highest graded run

defenders in the league. So this is, yeah, bring it all. This is a guy who's here with p when we're talking about Carlos Watkins. Oh, I know, I know. Is that a foreshadowing? With all due respect to Carlos Watkins. That's that's a that's a body amber like I mean, I don't know. That's nothing that I've read or seen or heard leads me to believe that anybody should be like, super duper excited about that. He could probably crack the rotation. I think he was last in the of defense in

the entire league for run stoppers or something like that. Yeah, which, well he can relate to that, yeah, little Yeah, they can actually, And that's that's why they signed Urban. Maybe not so much Watkins, but trying to beef up the worst run defense in the NFL. Good thing. You already got some defensive tackles. This is yeah, yeah, they I think this is this is peak Cowboys is to just throw contracts at a problem spot to say, all right,

we now have five defensive tackles. Tristan Hill, Neville Gallimore, Antoine Woods, these two new guys. If we can't find one in the draft. We're not screwed, but we don't have to be married to any of these guys. Like I said, Urban, at least statistically, you see things there that you're like, Okay, Like, you know, this isn't this is an Endomican sue. But this guy could come in and do some dirty work and be a real benefit.

I don't know so much about Watkins. Basham is interesting just because he was a Cowboys target in twenty seventeen. There were two schools of thought. They went after their pass rusher in the first round and then dealt with the defensive with the secondary later. They could have gone the other way, and I think Basham would have been one of their picks on Day two if that had been the case. So maybe they draft Kevin King with the twenty eighth overall pick or whatever, and then they

could have drafted ash them later on. They obviously didn't go that way, but so the interest was there. This was a top one hundred draft pick, a guy that they liked a lot. He's had moments, but I would say for a guy drafted in the top one hundred, I'd say, you know, the first four years of his career probably you would call that a disappointment. But get him in here and see what he can do. And at the very worst, he's a rotational guy. What was

the question? I mean, I just all that again. It just we're just trying to figure out what you think of the of the signings, how they fit in. I think I think those three guys, I feel like they've all have some three four background, you know, So which is an interesting note, right, you know, because and that's the thing, you know, we're just trying to figure out, like for for graphics on social media, is the offensive end? Is he a linebacker? What do we call an urban?

What are we calling these guys? And those are good questions because in that scheme they were this for everything we've been told it's still a four three scheme here, but it might not be, I you know, it might it might be a little bit more in the hybrid roles. So I think that they've got some position like guys, and and like you said earlier in the show, that's important if you if your scheme is going to be if flexible. If that's the case, then certainly these players

have to be right. And we won't know that for a while. Probably won't know that till training camp of the season. Yeah, it is. It is interesting. I'm I'm pretty sure the Colts were running a four three when they drafted Basham, but the Jets are three four all the way. And so he was a stand up linebacker. So he's got that in his toolkit. I guess, um, I think I can pull that up. I think he had his most sacks last year for the Jets. Yeah, I believe, which I mean it was like, yeah, I was,

I mean three and a half. Not saying he had twelve sacks or anything like that, but he so he was successful in that scheme at least to a degree. How does it work again, when it comes to these types of contract I know that ideally, if free agent guys, you want to make sure you they're good enough for you to keep at least for that season. But just in general, let's say that we're too draft a guy he's looking pretty good, and then this other free agent guy is not looking that good and it's just kind

of taking up space. Example. Yes, how does it work as far as like money wise, they do you lose a lot of money or like does that affect you? Derek's point it depends on the guarantees. What did you say was Watkins's guarantees Watkins four hundred thousand, which sure they're good. That's pennies about the NFL money like they can drop that anytime candidate. Hey, I at things, Yeah maybe maybe, um, I don't know specifically. I saw Todd

Archer broke down Kiano's contract. There's not a lot here that would like prohibit them from getting rid of any of these guys if they needed to. And then you made the point with with hah the mount that they had the Garls guaranteed for him. You don't want to, like, you don't want to do that. That's a that's a goof. If you give a guy two or three million guarantee and wind up cutting him before he plays a game for you, that's not good. But you can still do it.

And that's also among many reasons why they're probably not going to use every dime of cap space is you know, you gotta sign your draft class, You got to have money to sign guys later in the season, and also maybe eat a little bit of money if you need to get rid of some people. And I think it's worth noting that you know these guys from the Falcons. Dan Quinn was the head coach and you know, ran

their defense for the most part. And Joe Wit their secondary coach, who's now the secondary coach for the Cowboys. You know, yes, you have ties to these players. Haha. Was drafted by Mike McCarthy and Green Bay. He had ties. They brought him in. He also cut him and I don't think anybody in the league picked him up. I

didn't hear about it. He spent he spent a little bit of time on Buffalo's practice squad, but I don't think he actually played last Okay, So I mean, you know, I think we all we always make a big point of that. Well, he knows him there, so they're probably going to resign them. Well, yeah, what if they hated each other? What if he was like, I hate this guy, I'm never going to play for you know what I mean?

Just because you have ties doesn't necessarily mean So obviously he was good ties with Atlanta, but I mean not to the point where you can't cut him if it's not working out. Keyan O'Neill has three million of his contract guaranteed, which I would be surprised. I would be surprised, but I don't if they just absolutely feel like they have to. I think they could. Um, it was a while ago at this point, but they remember Jasper Brinkley.

He was like two and a half three million guaranteed and they cut him at the end of Camp two. So it's doable. Not ideal, but doable. I'll say this. He's also a different caliber player in mind. I want to be clear. I think Kean O'Neill is going to be good just covering every angle. You know, the Cowboys will will say this. Those guys that are the athletic trainers over there, jimmuer Bert Brown, those guys, they think that the second year after your injury is a really

big year. That's when you're gonna jump you come just talking specifically LEGI reconstructive surgeries like that for achilles or definitely for acls. You know that first year you're getting back, getting your legs back in you, but the second year is when you're kind of back to normal normal. And if if that is the case with Kean, you know, I think it's I think that's probably one of the reasons why they're like, hey, he had it, he came back last year. Let's see what he what he does.

If that was half of him last year, right, I feel very happy with what I think if he's going to be better than that this year, I feel very happy with that side. And you got to look at other guys too, Connor Williams. I know we're it's a different side of the ball. But I'm just saying, that's another guy that that last year he got back from injury. This year, contract year, big big thing, he said. They actually said the other day he he's goals the Pro Bowl. Okay,

I mean a team goal. First, let's get back to where we need to be. But but individually, you know, he think you can get there. Send him. Who are the five? Good question, Tyrant? No, who will be the final five by the time we're at the end of the season. That's who. I don't like that question, all right, Um, so let's real quick before we end this show. I did want to talk a little bit about a couple of the guys that the Cowboys lost, and particularly Cheeto

A Woozia. He signed with the Cincinnati Bengals. He got a three year, twenty two million dollars deal. Seven point five million of that is guaranteed. How much of a loss is that for Dallas right now? Right now, it's fairly substantial, But I don't think it will be by the time this team is done being put together. I just I feel very confident that they're going to spend a big pick on a cornerback. If it's not Patrick's Urtan, it'll be pick forty four whatever, Like they'll draft a

guy who's capable first two rounds, day one starter. That's maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think. And so eventually I think they'll be fine. But right now, yeah, like if they had to play with what they have right now, I wouldn't feel great about it. Yep, I agree. And I thought, you know, Cheeto was a solid player. You know, I don't think you know, I've heard people say that he was a bust. I don't think he's bust. I think you can be in the middle, you know.

I think a second round player that played he gets one interception a year, you know, with that money that he gets, you know that he got there. I mean Cincinnati fans will probably you know, they probably won't love it because he won't get a lot of interceptions unless the scheme changes. For him, you know, but he wasn't really that type of guy, but he was. He was solid, he got good speed. You know, you have seen some

guys thrive after they leave the Cowboys ever, know. I mean, I think Brandon Carr had like three picks in the first six weeks of his first season in Baltimore. Yeah, just like, Oh god, Cheeto's gonna have like four picks at Halloween. Uh kill me? Uh No? I agree, though, like it was good. I mean, you're an average player, I think, and I think for a second round pick, if you get the number starts the Cowboys got out of him, you don't feel like you wasted that pick.

You may have wanted more, but you like you wasted that pick. It's fair to feel it's fair to have wanted more from the from a guy drafted sixtieth overall. But I can't call that disappointing or a bust. He got, yeah, four seasons worth of starts. He made a few plays, and he goes like it works out for everybody, Like the Cowboys didn't waste their pick. He got paid good for everybody. They'll get a comp pick for him. There's no reason to feel bad about anything that happened there.

That's that comp pick was in play. That's why he never thought ever he was gonna come back, because you know, during the middle of the season he had a hamstring injury that took I don't know, nine weeks to come back from. And I think there were people in the building that were like, what's going on here? What's he want one of them? Huh? You want one of them? Well, I was, you know about hamstrings, you were not one

of them. And I actually was one of them. I was asking about it a little bit, like why isn't he coming back? You of all people be like, I get him minds a calf and I still have not the same thing. Still, I think difference in recovery time between us, difference in athletic ability, yeah, a little bit, a little bit, speed, a little bit. Anyways, I think that everybody knew right there. I think everybody knew right

there that he was he wasn't coming back. Yeah, so um, and he knew it, and and the Cowboys there was talk about releasing him during the season. Yeah, when it was like, Okay, what's going on here? I called it the hamstring from of death. I mean, like, what's what's happening. Um, he came back to get you know, and he he didn't want to put bad tape out there of him, So he's not in the contract in the contract here, so but that compic was always sitting there like, we're

not gonna cut him. Why would we cut this guy? And then he goes signed somewhere else and we don't get the comp pick for him. So yeah, but at least they signed Jordan Lewis, and I'm excited about that because he's a guy and I think we all kind of thought that might happen that Cheeto leaves and then they might be able to kind of retain Jordan Lewis. So that's exciting because he is a guy out of

those two. Although we've seen a lot more from Cheeto as far as playing time, the time that Jordan Lewis has played, I mean, he has shown ability and he's a guy that does not a freaking give up. He has that kind of competitiveness in him. So in the way that that we're using him last year towards the end of the year, that was exciting to see. So that's at least something to look forward. And one of the things that's interesting about that is, you look at

Jordan's deal. Jordan got a three year deal, same as Cheeto. He got a thirteen point five million dollar deal, which is less than the twenty two million that Cheeto got, but the guaranteed money was right there about the same. Cheeto got seven point five Jordan got seven point seven five million guaranteed. So to me, it kind of signaled

that the Cowboys thought of them as comparable players. It was just I think they opted that Jordan may have been a better fit, and certainly a better fit when you talk about what he can do in the slot, that's where it makes sense for them. I am. I'm curious about this because I think we would all agree Jordan didn't get a lot of opportunity. I know. I mean he started a lot last year, mainly because Cheeto was heard and Anthony Brown had injury problems. I wonder

for him to be willing to re up. Was there a conversation like we see you doing this, like we're gonna maybe we'll give you more of an opportunity to play outside you can do this, that and the other, or or they're like, yeah, we're just gonna bury you

on the depth chart again. When we draft Patrick's ertan and like, if that's the case, but if he's a nickel guy, Nickel they played nickel most of the time, so well, Anthony Brown plays in the slot too, Like I just I wonder about that, Like if they draft a cornerback highly, and I think they will, then there's

an odd man out. Well let's follow the money. You look at the money, and I think it means Anthony Brown's probably gon to be your guy that's going to be sitting more than he's going to be out there playing, is the way I look at it. I'll always look at the money when you come to those kind of situations. He's on a similar contract to Jordan Is. Yeah, he's signed three years fifteen mill. Last office is guaranteed to remember that though, and he's a year into it too,

Like I hear you, you got to remember this. And someone told me this the other day. No defensive backs coach or defensive coordinator for the Cowboys has ever liked Jordan Lewis at the start. You know, it's like, well let's let's see how he goes. He's unkind doesn't fit what we're looking for. So, yes, Anthony Brown was signed and all that stuff, But that was a different staff, that was a different you know, the the defensive backs coach. This staff as invested in him and they said, we

like what we see, we're bringing him back. So I think if that is a tiebreaker between him and Anthony Brown for playing time, I think they're looking at it like you know, if they if it was the other way around, they probably say, let's don't pay him. We got Anthony Brown, will draft a couple. I personally think he's a better play than Anthony Brown. That's my opinion. I'm through these back Like some people were kind of like whining about the money, like it's not that much

money by NFL cornerback standards. It's not a deal that you can't get away from, like you know, like next year if you want to, like you don't have He doesn't have to finish this deal if you don't want him to. He's a versatile guy. I think he's got the right mindset. I'm happy he's Yeah, and they and they love him, I mean they do. I mean he he nobody works out more than him, no one, no

one is trying to get better. I mean, he just needed his he just needed somebody to have some confidence in him and say you know, and say, hey, he's putting in all this work and we believe in you. I think he had he can have a pretty good year. Yeah, me too, Me too. All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We'll be back next week and on Wednesday again, we'll get into a little more free agency talk and we'll actually start moving the ship a little bit, maybe

to some some talk on the draft. We got about a month, about a month left before the draft left as of next week, could be about a month. So we'll start kind of spending a little bit of time talking about draft and uh and start getting you guys ready for that. Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia, I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.