Cowboys Break: Exploring McCoy?

OTAs have started this week. It started yesterday, but today is the first time that the media gets to see the whole team come together, where the rookies merge with the veterans and see how that looks. But before we get into OTAs and all that, I just wanted to clear things up, well, try to clear things up with Ezekiel Elliott and what happened with him in the incident in Las Vegas, because a lot of people are asking what's going on here, what's going to happen with him?

And wanted to get an update from you guys if there is an update. Well, we probably made ourselves look like fools two years ago trying to predict what was going to happen with Zeke in a situation like that. He was not arrested, He was not charged with anything. Stephen Jones made that pretty clear on Monday afternoon after that news surfaced the videos on Twitter. I bet you've seen it if you're listening to this doesn't look like a ton in terms of, you know, legal issues or

criminal issues. But I would I am hesitant to try to predict what the NFL is going to do with disciplinary matters at this point after everything that I've seen in my time doing this. Yeah, I mean, it didn't look that bad. He having the elbow out didn't help. That's the only thing that I saw was the elbow was out. But really, what I take from this is it does it's probably and then you're right about being hesitant on this, It's probably going to be okay for Zeke.

I don't think it helps Crawford at all because I think when you look now you're looking at videos to compare Tyrone Crawford's, you know, that video is way worse and in terms of and it draws more attention to the Cowboys that the team is like, Okay, what's going on?

So I you know, I actually talked to Tyrone over the weekend, and he he said he felt like he was okay legally, but again, you don't know NFL wise, he was, you know, probably concerned by that, you know, for missmissing a game or two or I would agree with that. So and I just don't think maybe, and I'm sure the NFL or anybody would be like, no, no, two things are the same, but I think that they are in terms of okay, this one it's Zeke, you know, and here he is again. But I don't think it's

just enough to to It doesn't look like enough. And you know, there's uh, you know what was said right right? Not no. He said something about like you know, why are you in my face or something like that, and the guy, you know, looked like a flop to me. But also it really happened like he barely touched him with a nailbow and he just fell back. I will

say this, I will. I mean that the video and doesn't necessarily tell the whole story, you know, Like I always, I hesitate to just have this ridiculously strong take just based on forty seconds of video that I saw, and I wasn't there. Um, it doesn't it doesn't look like enough based on what's there. But again it's I mean, Roger Goodell is the only guy that has to have an opinion about this to change that conversation real quick.

You know what Zeke did last year as far as coming back and play, you know, from the suspension and kind of I don't know about turning things around, but but he definitely, you know, had less incidents like that. He showed a lot of signs of maturity and he

still does. But you know, the problem that I have is is it's not so much that night, it's the next day, Like that's again I'm just, if I'm being honest, I have a problem with that of him having a camp the next day and and treating it like well, you know it should be like but he made it right,

he made it in Yeah. But if if the timeline of events is as described, he was doing stuff in Las Vegas at three am and then was here on the Star at the Star doing a camp like less than twelve hours later, right, I just you know, that's that's not a great look. But it's like you do whatever you want the night before. You know, he didn't, he didn't do anything wrong. But I agree with Nick

that it's it's not an awesome look in my opinion. Yeah, just just from you know, you think about it from you know, parents that pay their kids paying good money to get to go there. Pro Bowl running back again. You don't want to you don't want to speculate, and we're kind of getting a little close for that. But but the three am, all I know is that usually I found out at three am, I'm probably not ready to go to work. Yeah that, and so now by

twelve whatever and were again. I think everything's gonna be fine there. But you know, it's a it's a little setback. Did one of you guys go to the camp? Not that one? I didn't, So we don't really know how it turned out with him or how much how he acted his participation, you know, because if he was able to participate enough, then it doesn't really matter. I've been to work with a hangover before. I cannot. I cannot to the Ranger game last night? Was that or it's

an a Mariners game? That was? It's a Mariners game they lost? I was. It was a very tame night. I'm not hungover right now? Do you think Zeke does this more than more than we know? About too, Like I think he's used to this kind of thing, I mean, staying out, coming to work, being a running back. It's it's pretty He's twenty three years old, we know. I mean, he likes to have fun, and that's his right. I mean a lot of these guys do they you know,

they take trips all the time. I don't have a single problem with that, good goodness, gracious, especially not in the offseason. I mean, that's what you should be doing if you're twenty three and have the type of money that pro football players have. Um, and we talk about this all the time though, the whole fact that this is the situation, what we saw, it's something that people do. Young people do that and go through those scenarios instead. But it just brings small light to him. It's tough.

It's tough because you want to be like, well, you shouldn't be in those types of situations. It's like we've all been there. Yeah, I have been there a million times. I agree all of that is is right. It's just that you had a really big work day the next morning. And that's that's the thing. That's that that's my only issue with it. Again, and I you know, you get. He has to realize that everyone's got a phone, everyone's everyone's showing. You know, it's if you're gonna wear Lebron

James jerseys like that. I mean, really, who's gonna wear a jersey like that? Yeah? Who would ever do that? I don't know, it's it sucks. I mean, we had the camera on you that day too. The rules are different. The rules are different when you're Zeke Elliott, and it's you know, not necessarily fair to him. But so, what were some of the things that Stephen Jones? He really, he really didn't say a whole lot. He said, we're still gathering information, don't. I mean, he's right, which maybe

we should listen to him. He said, it's unfair to really comment on it beyond the fact that we're still learning about it. This was Monday, so I'd assume they've got a pretty clear picture by now. I'm sure Jason Garrett'll talked about it later today, Zeke may talk about it himself. We'll see the locker room's going to be open today. Not sure, it doesn't seem like a huge deal, but it definitely is kind of a hiccup in what had been a very you know, feel good offseason for him. Yeah.

Now moving on to OTAs that started yesterday. Obviously this is far away from real football and we always talk about it and it's not that exciting, but the media is out there and we get to watch some of the things that happened there. I wanted to get each of your opinion and like, what are some of the things that you're looking for today, and like what to watch for during this first practice that we'll get to see. Even though you're not above doing it, I'll do it

for you. Plug your article for yesterday. Dave wrote an article about five things to to really watch, so let me I was kind of struggling by the end of it, to be honest with you, though, Like the time I got to number five, I was like, ah, just because it's probably because you know what she just said. You know that it's not right real like you're not really going to be able to see if Connor McGovern could bloak.

I don't want Yeah, oh, I could write twenty things, but I want to try to be as honest as possible. What was what was one number one for me was just that this will be the first chance we get to see the offense under Kellen Moore and like air quotes big time because not really, but I mean it's still you know, it's stuff that he's installing and stuff

that they're gonna use under him. I don't expect to see anything, you know, juicy, but it's still get some sort of look at like what he's trying to install on what they're trying to look Yeah for me, and I think this was on your list too, Like I just want to see how we how we line up on offense, the offensive line, yeah, first and second teams. You just what are we starting with here? You know, where's Frederick? Is he right there at the center spot?

And you know no issues there? Where's McGovern, Where's Suaphila Looney those guys like that? Just just how it all shakes out to start with, and then you know it's all subject to change, especially with injuries and stuff like that. I just want to kind of see where they where they have these guys. That was my number that was my number four, I think. I mean, Frederick is expected to be limited, so you know, don't know how much you'll see of him. McGovern can play center and I

expect them to work him there. It's some a little bit in the In the next month, um Lyle Collins had a surgery that he's still coming back from, so that should be an opportunity for Cam Fleming. Yeah, I mean, I know it looks based which we you know, even though we work here, we didn't get to go to yesterday's Ota, but based on photos and stuff, it looked like he was the first string left guard. So I don't know about that. Yeah, Connor was, um, so I

don't know about that. Yeah, I know that name. They do this stuff on purpose, is like they get as many similar names as they can. Um, you know, yeah, so you know, I don't know if that'll happen, but there should be some shifting and some different stuff they can try out. That should be fun there. Um. One other one for me is again you're not going to see a lot of it, um just you know about them tackling or anything like that. But I do want to kind of see that Sean Lee you know, in

the in the sam position. You know, see what's going to happen there. If he's gonna be I mean, it sounds like he's going to be the starting strong side linebacker. Um. You can definitely tell in the offseason that he has changed his his physique a little bit. His upper body looks very noticeable that he is he's gotten bigger there um. So I'm anxious to see how how that plays out and if he can play that position. I mean, you

can get those three linebackers on the field. I know they say they don't play bass a lot, but they might play it more of Sean Lee's there. I don't even want to talk about this injury wise because I no, no, no, it's but people mention it all the time. You know, injuries and how these let's say hamstring injuries happen a lot during this time, and what he could possibly mean for a guy like Sean Lee who is trying to get back it is known his past record of injuries.

What if something like that happens during this time. See, that's why I think that it's a real interesting move. They typically the strong side linebacker plays about twenty percent of the snaps, and the way the system is now, when it's Damien Wilson or god give me some other names, that maybe oh geez, maybe Hitchens Wilbur did it for a little while. I mean it's been Damien for the last like four years and he doesn't play a whole

lot so and no Taco. So if it's so, if it's not, you know, so if he's not out there, it's it's something that they're used to playing with. Um, So it's kind of a good situation. It's almost like win win, Like if he's out there and he's healthy,

they can do some different things. If not, it's not going to be much different than what they've done in the past, which that also speaks you know, and it's exciting because they're back on the field, but it's may and they'll probably limit what a lot of those guys do for that very reason is you know, not to set them back to the point where they might not be ready for training camp. That's another thing is you know,

don't expect to see a lot of DeMarcus Lawrence. You know, you know Kent now you can do the taco drop because he's probably not going to do a lot there we go. He just had an ankle surgery. So I expect to see a lot of young guys, you know, Like I said, Connor McGovern should get a lot of work at Center if Travis Frederick is limited. So I think there should be some cool opportunities there for some rookies.

Mickey actually wrote an article about nine nine guys that were on us have surgeries that aren't going to be participate rating here. I didn't really you know, you hear one or two here and you think, and I would have thought four to five. And then you really break it down to the Cindric Wilsons and all that I said, Lyle Collins had something done. I mean a lot of these happened a while ago. But again, you know, why risk anything. Antoine Woods had a shoulder surgery. Byron Jones.

We're not going to see Byron. So there's an opportunity for some of your young corners right there. I think we'll see Woods. Antoine Woods. I would expect so because he had his surgery in January. And that's why what's interesting about that for me is it's really the same surgery as what DeMarcus Lawrence had, and so you want to see when he came back and he actually was fortunate to have it right seasons over? Is it? You know,

where's this going to play? Because you go back to that first game against the Giants and you think, I think we talked about this last week who from the defensive line. Do you are you sure is going to be there? I mean, do you know d Law will be there? Maybe you, Randy Gregory. There's no way you can even predict that. And all signs would pointed probably not, Tyrone Crawford, probably not. Maybe. So you look at the defensive end, that's three three guys there. That's I mean,

Jalen Jelks and those guys you know, Joe Jackson, Oran's Armstrong. Yeah, I mean, it's although don't every year. Don't forget Quinn though, but yeah, oh yeah, I mean Robert Quinn for sure. And I'm just saying, and this team has gotten really good at saying, okay, well these players will play Week one because we have a defensive starter that's going to be suspended. I mean, what are we at six years in a row? Now? Maybe? Yeah, I mean maybe yeah.

I mean it's circul to the Rolando mcclean's and d Law, David Irving, Gregory long list Gregory, uh Gregory, you know right, Brandon Carr, Hey, hey, don't start listing never missed games. No, it's really interesting. I mean usually when you look at I can't hear that. I just kind of a little bit. I forgot you're not wearing your head I kind of could hear a little bit. Car Clayborne and Scandrid Nice anywhere are those headphones? Well they really go to that one.

I'm waiting on Derek to come in. I was just gonna say, it's really interesting because at first your initial thought is to get kind of freaked out when you see this this type of list of injured guys and are recovering and all that stuff. But when what that does it allows to create opportunities for these other guys and allows the Cowboys to prepare this early on for when the season starts and kind of figure out who the backup guys will be and earned the spot. Yeah yeah,

and I mean it starts, it starts this month. Although you know, again what I don't Why do I always apologize for sounding like a wet blanket, like that's what I do. But I just remember last year, you know, g hot Ward looked great and he was like the starting He was a starter on the d line because Malie Collins was out out and people were real high

on him, and it clearly didn't work out. Dayton Jones was another one and didn't play a game in the regular season that was more because of injury than anything. But you know it's going to change big time between what we see without pads here in May and you know what the team actually does on roster cutday. Yeah, well, let's go ahead and take a quick break. When we come back, we'll keep disconsin OTAs and everything that's going

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get your tickets today. Back to the break. Welcome back, guys. Now, we found out not too long ago that the Buccaneers released defensive tackle Jural McCoy, and I wanted to check in with you guys if you thought that the Cowboys have any interest in bringing him back, especially after with this cause all day injuries and scenarios here. Yeah. I think it was Adam Schefter from NFL or where is

Adam Schefter? Sorry? He um listed the Cowboys as some potential teams that he would be you know, that might be has some interest there. I don't think that the Cowboys have come out and said that they're you know, I mean, Cowboys haven't said there's any interest. We'll see today. But I don't think you just talking to some people that there would be Tristan Hill. They drafted him and

they have the money for it. But I just I just don't see that as a as a guy that they would they would turn in here, because, like I said, they know they have some young guys that they liked there, and I think the focus would be on just so many other players that you did you have to sign. He's not going to get a big deal, but you know, I just I just see there would probably be teams with more money, with maybe a better fit for him. I mean, it's totally conceivable that they could get out bid.

He is a six time pro bowler. And it doesn't you know, just from being around here, it doesn't sound like there's a whole lot of interest. I don't really get it. I think this is the rare example of a guy that would be Taylor made to go after. He's thirty one years old. He's had some injury issues that should keep his price relatively low. Tristan Hill is the only defensive tackle of the significance on this team that's under contract beyond this season. And I know they

feel when they always feel good about their guys. I know they love to say that, but like, which of the guys that's on this team is definitively better than a six time pro bowler? Right now? Let me ask you this question, Dave. When you say go after are you are you willing to go go in on a multi year deal for significant money or when you say go after is it if it falls to you, you make it known to him and his agent. Hey, we're interested talking, but it's only if the deal works that

it's just a one year for relatively little money. I wouldn't want to sign him for more than two years, and I wouldn't want to pay him more than like even like ten sounds like a lot like somewhere if he wanted to sign between you know, six and nine, and it's you know, the rap woars and the chefters of the world have made it known like he wants to play for a contender. He wants to play for a team that can get to the playoffs. He's never been in the playoffs in nine years in Tampa, so

it's conceivable. And from Oklahoma City, by the way, grew up a cowhos Fane went to OU. Like I said, there's a lot of reasons why it sounds plausible that he might be willing to sign here on a fair deal. I don't think the Cowboys are interested. I don't really get the feeling that that would happen, but I would try to make it happen if I were them. Yeah, I kind of agree with you. This is a question

of will they or should they? I think Nick was pretty clear, and I think that's everything that all of us have heard is is it doesn't look like they want to. But when you talk about it from a standpoint of should they, I kind of agree with Dave that this is an opportunity if it should fall to you, if you get the money right and you can get him for a year, two years, then to me, he is better than right now. He is better as a three technique than anybody you have on your team. And

I saw a fan put this out there. I'm not sure you may know the ramifications of this, but you look at a guy like Tyrone Crawford and the amount of money that he makes, would there be some relief if you were to release him to be able to sign a guy like that that would replace at least the role defensive tackle. Now there is the issue of is Crawford more of a defense to end yeah, as it currently sits, because they got a lot of defensive

tackles on this team defensive ends. I don't know if they got enough to start to see they like having a guy like that can switch back, yeah, versatile, so Tyrone can provide that, and he's been here, and I think they have enough ends. I don't think that they have enough ins that we just talked about that they can count on for Week one, right, and that that's

the issue. But yeah, I think they have plenty of defensive ends and I don't know if they have enough tackles there, but they don't have a lot of tackles that are under contract, and which you know, in a perfect world, you would sign McCoy to a one year deal, which that doesn't really alleviate the problem of not having any guys under contract. But he's a two time All Pro. He's never had less than six sacks in a season

at defensive tackle. How many big number, how many guys, how many guys on this team can say they've had six sacks in a season. Yeah, and it's like Quinn Lawrence and but I don't think anybody else draft in Tristan Hill, and is should be the reason that you would consider it more than a reason that you wouldn't. Here's a young guy that that is you know, he's he's still he's gonna be raw, obviously, and he's gonna

learn from Marinelli and Lee Unlett. That's great, But in the trenches they're getting to learn from a guy like like Gerald McCoy. I think that would that would be even better. Is that a position where you would expect a quick impact that he could learn? You know, boy, no, no, Tristan about quick impact? Um, if he's if he is the badass they make him out to be. It's mean Malie Collins stepped in and there was a reason why

they picked him where they picked him. If this was a guy that was picked in the top ten a defensive tackle, then yes, you would expect that he would immediately step in. Defensive tackle is not a position where he couldn't immediately step in and give you immediate production. He's gonna there's a reason why the second round he's gonna produce if he can. If he and this is why I think if you signed someone like a McCoy,

he would produce. Tristan Hill would produce even more because if you ask him to play all these snaps in there and he has to play against the run time in and time out, he's gonna he's gonna have some problem. If he can come in on Nickel situations and get over that center and rush him, that's where he really is going to be effective right away. So I think the less he has to play three downs, I think that the better he can be. And you get some guys in here like that, but he might be better

than you're Antoine Woods and maybe even Malie Collins. So I'm not making more sense the more we keep talking about it. I think that's the thing. I think everybody that I've at least heard talk about it, I think it makes sense. I just don't think I think the Cowboys are at least what I think. I think they're kind of too far down the road. Is in their own opinions. They feel like they've already gotten that position solidified.

They feel like they have quality players at the defensive tackle position, and I just don't think they're necessarily looking now. That doesn't mean this couldn't get fluid. If he's sitting out on the market, come training camp and nobody's willing to pay him, and the Cowboys and say, well, this guy's just sitting out there, we can get a really

favorable deal. I know they're opportunistic, right, I just think that's some point, at some point in a span of three to four years, I mean, every every few years. It's good to sit there in fold hands every now and again and play you know, little pots here, but everyone once in a while you just want to push him in, push all the chips in in the middle, and say, look, I'm all in. I'm all in on this team on this year. I got a great young team,

this guy could fit. Got offensive line that's really good, I got great skill players. Let's go get this thing. Let me ask you this, what would be the problem with doing that. Let's assume let's assume what Dave said. Let's assume if they end up paying him, they want to do it. They're gonna be willing to pay him nine million over a year or two years or whatever. Does that affect their ability to sign some of these longer term deals that they are talking about right now,

particularly DAK where you're talking million plus back. In fact, if they sign those deals, it would be easier to get a deal like McCoy because those first couple of years aren't going to be as as I mean, you

can actually lower some of the base salaries. I don't know about the thirty I mean, I don't know about that with DAK because there's really no way to structure it mathematically, you can't do it with that, but you can certainly do it with him because he right now he's making what less than a million, right he's making two millions because he readjusted his two million. There's no way to do this thing where he's gonna average thirty million a year and the I mean, but isn't that

the point? Though? If if now all of a sudden, you're gonna go from one million to thirty million, do you have the room to be able to do that? Even if even you do, you do and Cooper's deal, I mean, you need to get Cooper's deal done. You can Looper Cooper's accounting for fourteen million. You could lower that to like you know, you could lower his cap hit to like six six and even though and they have had me pay for it right there, they have

twenty million in space right now. And for the record, like, even if they were to sign Gerald McCoy, I wouldn't advocate cutting Tyrone Crawford. I mean, he he plays an end. Keep him, he's a captain. You can worry about that next year. Next year is a much better time to release him. I think you could. I think you would save eight or nine million next year. This year, I think, if I look right, I think this year is more of a wash. You don't get anything. It's about the

same to keep him, to cut him. And by the way, I wasn't saying you cut him. I know. I saw that on Twitter and it made me think, is that a is that? Would that be a swap in this instance to where what you get back would be what you pay out? And it didn't, you know, I didn't really know the answer. I don't know if that would be a better fit for you. I mean, I really don't.

I know that sounds these six time pro bowler. I don't know if that's a better fit just because of the the versatility, right, versatility what he brings for the team and all that, which I agree with you. The thing is signing a guy like that, like I don't even think of it as going all in because I think I might be wrong. I mean, he might sign somewhere for forty million next week, and if that's the case, then I'm like, never mind, Like yeah, same same thing

with Earl Thomas. When you when you show me the price tag and it's going that high, I'm out. But assuming you could get this guy on unreasonable deal. It's little risk with high reward. And again, these contracts are gonna push you up against the caps soon. Bobby Wagner's trying to break the linebacker market. Jalen Smith sees every bit of that coming his way. You're gonna you are

eventually gonna be hard up against the cap. You are not right now, so why not try to maximize the next season or two where you can still get away with it? Well, if if my understanding is correct, you can actually roll over salary cap money. So if they're at it doesn't mean you have to just go ahead and spend it this year. That means if you don't spend it this year, you actually have it for those futures.

But see, but I mean you do you're right. But if you could get a six time pro bowler on a manageable salary on a team that looks pretty good, it sounds it sounds smart to me. I win on a one year deal. I mean, you're kind of you're kind of going in already. Yeah, I would maybe their go in player for this year. Yeah, we've already done that. We're not willing to try for Quinn And they gave a pretty decent amount of ring of Randall cop The

Rams never stopped. You know, the Rams just got Sue and Donald of course, and then you know they kept adding guys going bad guy, but I mean they just kept adding guy. It helped there were a couple of

plays away from winning a Super Bowl. Yeah, you like I said, like, even if even if they even if they extend Dak, Let's say they extend Dak and Amari this year, they will still have one to two seasons before those hits really start to affect their cap because we Amario'll lower it and Dak's big numbers won't kick

in for a year or two. So you'll have a short window where you can still add talent to this roster without really having to worry about you know, Jalen doesn't need a new deal till twenty twenty one, YadA, YadA, YadA. I'd say try to maximize this short little window you have before these huge contracts start coming home. And by the way, in twenty twenty one, I think is the year that they're going to have to have a new CBA.

So who knows what the CAP's gonna look like, how much money is gonna be guaranteed, like they'll have to they'll have to give to players. It may change everything economically, so so that there's a lot that would be a part of that. I don't think they're gonna do it, but I think they should. I feel like they would though, because looked at what they have done so far. They have given so much importance during this offseason to the whole defense. During free agency, during the draft, they used

a lot of their draft picks just on defense. So clearly they're trying to rebuild and reinforce and build on what they already had last year, which was pretty good. So I think they're they're deciding to make that final push and turn it over to hopefully an elite defense. We'll see what The longer he gets the air, the longer he goes unsigned, the better it is probably for your hopes of it happening, because it means that the price he wants probably isn't out there. And literally twelve

hours after the Bucks cut him, they signed Sue. And I believe like his deal is worth up to ten million, which means that's incentive based. So if you can sign in Dominican Sue for seven to eight then I would think McCoy is probably similar because they're same age range. I think at this point in my opinion, I think McCoy's a better player than Sue personally, but I'm not going to tend to have watched tape of them. I just know that they're both pretty good. I Sue, to

me is the class Like it's so obvious. Sue turned it on in the playoffs last year, like he just got plays when he wants to. Yeah, he went through the motions until they got to the playoffs and then was like, oh wait, I'm actually still really good, which and I may need to get a new contract. Everything I've ever heard about Gerald McCoy is that he's one

of the highest character players in the NFL. So I don't think maybe what I'm talking about that I would I would have liked to get sued here because this whole turn it on, turn it off thing. If Rod Marinelli is is the guy that everyone says he is and in the way he coaches and we see the way he coaches, he'll keep it on, he'll turn it off. But I also think also think that Rod Marinelli wants guys that showed that propensity at least the things I've

heard about him, even during the draft process. He particularly looks for guys who are high motor guys and actually shuns guys that are not motor. So my thought would be to him, Yeah, my thought would be he would probably be the one of the people to say we don't need Sue. I think Rod would shut that down immediately, yeah, which I mean because and for other reasons too. He thinks Tristan Hills that underdog type guy. He likes those guys. He does because it makes him look better if he

can coach him up. You can't coach up Sue. I mean, I mean that's the like you probably can't, especially at this point in his career. I'm not saying he can't coach him up. What I'm saying, if if he has this great year, I don't think anyone's gonna be patting Rod on the back. And that's what he wants, That's

what all coaches want. I don't know about that, because I think I think the narrative around Sue right now is he's a guy that by for the most part, did not play great throughout the season last year, played well in the playoffs, did not play great. So if Rod could get him to play with a high motor at this point in his career. I think that would be a pat on the back for us. So Gerald McCoy, same thing is that gonna be? Is that gonna fit

into the I just think did he call him? I forgot the orphans orphans that I'm not calling him that anymore. Even if they don't sign Gerald. Now, they got played, they put too much. Yeah, they got players, line, they got players. But I think I think it would make the team better. And I agree there's nobody that you would have to cut Gerald McCoy for that you just can't bear to part ways with. Like I would throw him in there and be like, you know, we're probably

gonna keep four defensive tackles. So that's two of them right there. This good luck to the rest of they. I'll find them. There's two other roster respects, No, just Nil is going to be here. Hill will be here and if he were to sign, McCoy will be here. And the other guys can figure it out. Who else did Collins? Woods? Woods and Collins probably gonna be one techniques then Colin probably you know, um Hyder figured out Coton, Covington figured out have fun. That's what I'm trying to bring.

We're trying to increase the level of competition, and you would have just done that. I agree a bit. Yeah, still don't think they'll do it. Having said all of that, we spent a whole segment in now I don't think they're gonna do it. Well, we'll see what happens here. But now switching up things a little bit, well, not really,

let's stay on defense. Jordan Lewis. It's a guy that I've we've talked about and how he has become kind of like the black sheep of the group and and just not really being asked involved just because of his

size and what christ Shart wants. I saw an interesting question from a fan about the possibility or thought of moving Jordan Lewis to the safety position and maybe trying him out there to where he can actually be on the field and do something for the Cowboys, you know, a skill set wise, I still think he's a better cover guy. You've never shown the ability to be a

like a real physical player. Not that those guys are, you know, in the safety position or lightening people up really, but I mean, I just think he's a he is a corner. I think that's a skill set all the way. M Is he a corner here? Maybe? Maybe not, but you know there's a place for him. I mean, there really is a place for him here, and they showed it last year. I mean kind of a spot duty. You know, I think there's okay to have a preference,

but I don't think. I don't know if he's the guy that's getting pushed out of the door, like I mean, you say that, but I mean I haven't really seen that yet. Yeah, And honestly, I mean he's not better than Cheeto or Bryan Jones. So he's the third quarter right, Yeah. And I think last year, in my opinion, if you look, if you want to find yourself, especially in the secondary, find yourself an MVP of that Saints game, he was it.

I mean the way that they used him on Kamara coming out of the backfield, I thought was really really smart. And having that kind of depth allows you to do that. Some teams don't have that kind of depth where they could use a corner to be able to cover a running back coming out of the backfield, but they had that depth. So I think he's valuable to this team and Now when it times comes down first contract, that's

a whole different ball game. They will figure out whether they want to keep him or not, and whether he wants to stay here or not. But the fact of the matter is, I think he still is a valuable a valuable piece in that second well from what we

saw last year. But when you start, you know, seeing the corners that were brought in by Chris Rashard basically in his preferences, and when you see that whole group, then the question begins to rise even more to where, okay, where does that leave Jordan Lewis and what do you do with him? What you said is going to be put to the test, and it'll be fascinating because we're not going to see Byron Jones until September. I won't be surprised if he misses a game. That's just me.

That's conjecture for the record, But I won't be surprised. So who's going to get those reps of training camp? Cheeto will? What do you do with Anthony Brown? What about these gigantic corners that Amber just mentioned that they brought in. Where does Jordan Lewis fit in that new pecking order? Because you would think that a three year vet who's got starting experience would be pretty high up there. But if he's not getting reps outside over the likes

of Mike Jackson, what does that say? Yeah, No, you're you're right about that. And the interesting thing too, is is, you know, you start looking at down the road and you know, we talked about corners, corners that are going to be on this roster next year. You know it's Byron Jones gonna be on the team next year. What about Anthony Brown? Anthony Brown, I have a hard time thinking he will be, So you know, Jordan would have that extra year. I just don't think there's any reason

to just kind of fade him out. Now you get to the end of the training camp and someone wants to throw a fourth round pick at you to get him. Maybe, yeah, depends on how Jackson and who else are we talking about these gigantic corner I mean, Mike Jackson, Chris West. But that's also my point on all of that is, Yeah, they brought in all these guys, but it wasn't a priority because most of those guys were either late picks

or undrafted guys. Yeah, so they're bringing in guys because of what you said, like they don't have future right now a corner A lot of the guys are gonna be up on their contracts over the next couple of years. But then you don't know what zury shard turns to mean too. Yeah, I get that, but I'll believe it when I see it. But you're gonna take an undrafted free agent cornerback and this year he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be playing over Jordan Lewis. Maybe it happens.

I don't know. Necessarily, I'm not buying necessarily. A Lumba is a nice player. He showed a little something at training camp last year. He's a practice squad guy. So I mean, I just think you just have to let's just let's let's pump the brakes a little bit on that for you know, just for the what's gonna happen this year? Maybe in the future, Well, what's gonna happen this year? It wasn't a priority. If Westy makes the team, then Chris Richard is even a better coach than I

would even give him credit for it. And the thing about it, and there's nothing against Westy, but he there's a reason why he didn't get drafted. I mean, six's four, but he doesn't have the fluid movement hips that you would look for in a corner. Why haven't they moved him to safety? If there's a reason for all that. He even says why he's not a receiver. He says he can't catch. He said it. I mean, so if he can turn him into a guy that can play

corner in this league, that that will be phenomenal. That it's really an uphill battle for him. He looks great. Oh, look at Westy, but you know he should be playing safety or another position typically, So we'll see if he can he can make it. But the guy, I think you still need to know how to catch playing that well position, you know, but if you knocked balls down, you get paid. Yeah, to answer to answer the question,

because we didn't really like Jordan. Jordan's probably like six fifteen, twenty pounds underweight for what you would want a safety to be at, Like he's like one eighty. His height isn't necessarily a problem, but I think his weight is, especially because what we keep saying they want is a box safety and Jordan like he's a tough dude. That's not what I'm saying. But I just don't know if he would hold up doing that, you know, week after week. I would be surprised if they tried to do that.

What I would I mean really like to see out of him. And maybe this is something he's working on, because if he can be the slot corner, if he can really work that in there, that's such a big position. I mean, I think, um, Christopher Shard wants a slot guy. It doesn't matter how big you are on the outside, that's one thing, but on the inside you can cover. I've that's maybe I'm disillusioned because I thought that's what

he would be. Like I thought he would be the number three corner last year and he wasn't his And you know, he was great against the Saints. It was eight snaps. His participation dropped from seventy five percent in twenty seventeen to eighteen percent, and that was probably a jump in that game versus a lot of games. Play did a lot of games this season. He didn't get on the field. I mean, the numbers are stark, and like, I don't think there's like this anti Jordan Lewis agenda,

Like he's a great dude. I think everybody likes him. Chris Rashard even said, you know, he's a good player. We've just got these guys above him. But if you can't find a use for him, it would And I don't think they're trying to push him out the door, but it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to find something for him in the future and like a trade like you know, Roster gets. I will send you to elaborate on that. Yeah, you meant another team, Yeah, if

you know somebody else's death. I mean the Cardinals sent Ben abin Wickery here two years ago. I could see, you know something similar. I think one of the issues that that's that's keeping him from playing more is on special teams. He's really not He hasn't been a good special teams player. And from what I would have been told, strength is a problem there. Strength just to go in safety's out of the fALS double team as a gunner and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, being a

safety would be tough. And you know, going back to what you said about Byron Jones this training camp, by suspicion is that means that Jordan's probably gonna be day one a camp, a starting cornerback on this team. So if that's the case, he's gonna you don't think so,

I don't know. I would be shocked. If I would be shocked, and what I mean by that as one of the top three, I would be shocked if he's not out there starting day one of training camp getting reps with the first team defense at least when they're in nickel And if that's the case. If that's the case, then I would bet you he would be the starting slot with Anthony Brown outside. So that being said, that being said, I think he's gonna have every opportunity to

be able to move the doubters wrong. So let's see what he can do. If you can get out there and show him something. Maybe Christian Shard says, you know, this guy's got a little more than I thought he had. If he doesn't, then you're right. Maybe at some point they they didn't consider the fact that, especially one of

those young guys steps up. Maybe they consider the fact they don't need him one hundred percent, right, Because if you start training camp on the first day and Mike Jackson or a Lumba, a Lumba is getting more snaps than we know the writings on the wall, like okay, he's gone, like he won't be here. Last year on training CAM, I cannot remember very well. I didn't really stand out in my opinion. Yeah, I just remember, barely remember anything. I just remember being like, okay, today, they'll

give him some reps. Today, they'll give him some reps. And like I, you know, I sympathize with fans. They were asking about it, and I was curious about it. And it's not how the dominoes fell. But I'm interested to see when they get to camp. I really believe he'll be one of the top three. If he's not. Like you said, Nicko, Man, it's not looking good for him, not for him, but it would be good for somebody else. Yeah. How you guys say the writing is on the wall, Yes, exactly,

how we see. That's not nice. It's not there yet. Sorry, started writing, were right on the wall, paint on the wall. We write on the wall here. All right, Well, we we have to go, guys, because coach Garrett. Yeah, I guess he has to get on there and do a press conference. I guess. So we'll see if he says some interesting things. Maybe he will. He will all right, Thank you guys so much for joining us. For Derrek Kingleton, Nicki Man, David Hellmet King Garrison back there a Burgarcia.

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