Cowboys Break: Earl vs. Tate in Free Agency?

edition of The Break. We're live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios after Star. We've got our normal crew, except Dave Hellman is not here today, so we've got sitting in again this week, Brian broad Us. Thanks for joining us. Brian, appreciate that. Guys, thank you. We got a lot to talk about today. We're gonna talk most of the show about free agency, and thanks to Brian, we have this nifty little sheet here of all of these unrestricted free agent that the Cowboys have for this year. I sent

that to you. No, I think he stole that from my desk. I sent that if PR put it out, yeah, but whatever, correction, it's a great direction Thanks Nick Free. It was a team effort. Thanks for doing this a big point. I had nothing to do with it. If Brian would have done, it would have been laminated. Yeah, you're right about that, Love. I blow out our budget

on lamination with no question about that. We are actually putting a line item in for lamination because um but no, this this sheet actually lays out all the unrestricted free agents for the Cowboys for actually for the next several years. This show, we're going to focus on unrestricted free agents for this year for the Cowboys, and we're gonna go

through that list. And I want you guys to tell me whether you think it's a priority guy, whether you think it's a guy that you would signed at the right price, or if it's a guy you just say, hey, let's just move on. We can find better, all right. But before we get to that, I do want to

talk a little bit about Travis Frederick. He talking last night to a couple of media members and talk about the fact that he's hey, obviously right now, is recovering uh from Gimbari syndrome, which kept him out of all of twenty eighteen, and it sounds like his plans are that he's gonna return this offseason. Sounds like he can. He expects that he'll be able to take part to some degree whenever they start up the offseason workouts, and that certainly points to the fact that he would be

back this season. My big question for you guys to get this conversation flowing, is how much of how much of a of a difference did we see this year with Joe Luoney playing center than what you would have expected with a guy like Travis Frederick, Because I know a lot of us think Joe play had a pretty good year. But how much of a difference was there? Well, I mean I think that it was. It was not as much of a drop off as we thought, but it was a drop off that they gave up more

sacks than they've ever given up. And maybe franchise history, it's not all Luney wasn't I don't think the link, but I think the combination of everything, you know, he just kind of is that glue guy, kind of keeps it all together, makes the calls. I think he makes Zach Martin better, he makes definitely makes the left guard better. And so just not having that experience of a first year starter and Joe Looney. He did admirable job, but just there's no way you can compete with the best

center in the football. I just think when you're so good sometimes, especially in those kinds of positions, you tend to not notice them and the fact that if you're not doing anything wrong then you don't notice, but they are doing something really good. And to me, that was kind of Travis Frederick. I never honestly paid that much attention to the way he played. He never gave me a reason to be looking at him and be cautious

of the way he played. Now with Looney, this is the first time that I actually started paying attention at the positions at that position, because that was obviously a change that was noticeable on the field. It wasn't anything to the point where it just went down the drain. He was able to maintain it, and that's kind of why one your backup guy to do. And he did an amazing job. Obviously, we have to see and I don't know, I know what the syndrome is and all

of that. I don't know to the extent of what that all implies as far as just his future health and how much that affects you long term hopefully, and by what he says, there seems to be a lot of hope in that he can come back and play at a good level, and let's hope. So I don't know as far as strength, how that's going to affect him. You know, it's interesting you bring that up. Excuse me. I remember hearing an interview last year when this first

diagnosis first came down. Mark Schlereth, who played in the NFL for a very long time as an offensive lineman for the Denver Broncos, was talking about the fact that he dealt with that during his career, and he talked about it from the standpoint of saying at the time he was like, there's no way he's playing this year. He said, I just can't foresee a scenario where he plays this year, which poured out to be true. He said, Now, the thing about my particular one, first of all, you

have to know about it's different for everybody. It's kind of depending on what stage they find it in and how quickly your body recovers, like, there are a lot of different variables. But he said in his situation he was able to play after a year. However, he wasn't himself for two years. It took the year after he came back. He wasn't quite there yet because he had to regain all his strength and he had to get

back to the point. For him to get back to the point where he was before the syndrome he was at, it was actually two years after that. Now that that's not to say that that's necessarily the case for Travis Frederick, because again he did say that it varies for everyone. But I do think we all ought to be a little cautious as we talk about this. You really don't know even if he comes back, you don't know exactly

where he's gonna be. And he even to mention that yesterday of where he's gonna be, he won't know all of that until he kind of gets out there and start doing something. The scary thing, I was just gonna say real quick, the scary thing to me when I look at that situation is the whole fact that you don't know how he can get injured during the process

of it. Let's say he goes on the field and then just not really being and I know the trainers and the coaches are not really going to put him out there if they don't feel that he's ready to go, but there's always that you just have to be very cautious and have a lot of precaution with this whole thing, which absolutely broke my heart last year just seeing the

whole process of it. You see a guy that's big and tough and great on the field, and then you see how he just starts sloping down and the way that he changes, even the way he was walking, you know, limping around, and it's really sad. And the amount of muscle that he lost, like muscle, um, what do you call that, muscle masks or whatever. It was really sad to see. And I hope that this offseason he's able to you know, get back to where he needs to be.

They missed him in the red zone, yeah, oh, they missed They missed him when they got down inside the five yard line and all of a sudden you had to cut a defense in half. You know. You missed him in the running game on some of those days where they needed to run the football a little bit better than they did, and all of a sudden they couldn't get Looney to the second level. Nothing wrong with

Joe Looney. Joe Looney was like my kind of my dark horse MVP, because this thing could have been an absolute disaster for the Cowboys at center, and it wasn't because Joe Looney was able to hold it together. They missed the communication, They missed the ability though to say to cut a defense in half, and they missed him on the goal line for his ability to snatch wide techniques when they were trying to run the ball to

the edge. You know, some of those times that maybe they would run a little bit different player had a different idea if they had a center that they knew could grab a three technique, you know, and cut that off and make sure and give them that gap. Those are the things that you missed with Travis Frederick playing for your football team. And a lot of that though, is, like I said, you could talk about play calling. The

guy lost his job because of play calling. I think a lot of it had to do with execution, and an execution was also meaning that those five guys running sometimes those tight ends didn't exactly do everything that they needed to do, and not having Travis Frederick and there hurt him for that. You know. One of the things he said last night I think is really interesting. He said, you know, we can do all the nerve tests we want, but without a baseline, we don't know where normal is.

Everybody's normal is a little bit different. So now it's just about working in the weight room, trying to increase my strength, and work with the team in the offseason as far as conditioning wise, get myself ready to try and meet at some point and the rest of the team come comes back in March. And April said that last night at the Jason Witten Um College Man of the Year where that they do here in the Frisco Um, which I actually don't even know who won. I mean,

I got named Dixon from Wisconsin. Yeah, is a good player. I haven't seen him play him film yet. I've seen him, have not studied him yet. Senior, Yeah, I would imagine y senior. Yeah, it's hard to top last year's yeah winner there with Skeem Griffin. Yea yeah, but uh but but he had a has an amazing story as well. I want to look into that. But Frederick was here, you know, is here supporting that, and he's been a

great teammate all along through through this process. It's got to be really difficult, but I thought that was interesting about you know, my normal might be different than then then maybe Mark Shlaris normal or whatever. So all those

things are different, and that's the thing. It all. It all varies, and so I think the interesting point here will just be I think as he comes back, and certainly as we start watching him throughout training camp, I think everyone has to keep an eye on the fact that he even though he's back, he may not be the same guy. He may he may not, but you have to kind of just kind of allow that process to take place and see how long it takes him

to get back to that point. If you talk to the people in the organization, though, they're comfortable with Joe Looney now, but they're also comfortable with Redmond, the other the backup center as well, the backup center and guards. So they feel like though that they could take their time with Travis and nobody knows his body better than what Travis Frederick. The whole time, he's been very uh not say out spoken, but he's been very as far as telling the trainers and the doctors, hey, this is

what I feel, this is what I can do. This is you know, this is a guy that we'll do everything he can to get back on the field. But he's not going to get back on the field until he's absolutely ready to get back on the field. He's not going to put his team in harm's way just going out there and being a seventy percent player. Yeah, all right, let's move on. Let's talk a little bit about these free agents. As I mentioned earlier in the show,

we're going to go through this list. There's actually a pretty decent number of unrestricted free agents the Cowboys have this year. Only a few of them top name guys, but a lot of role players, a lot of guys that have roles on this team. So we're gonna go through this list. I'm gonna throw out a name, and then we'll go around the table. I want you to tell me whether you think this is a priority to sign, whether it is a guy you sign at the right price, or if it's a guy that you just say, let's

move on. All right, Let's start first with the fullback, Jama's Olawale. Amber you go first. I mean, I don't, I honestly don't know what to say with about him. He's just one of those guys that UM okay with him, but then I'm just as okay without him. So he's not someone that I would like, desperately need to get him back. I would assume for a good price, it's

fine bring him back. I don't know, well, I mean, it depends what they're gonna try to do with, you know, because this team, it's a copycat league, and everyone saw what the Patriots again did with their fullback and all that, and then they don't have a full back like that here. In fact, they don't have a fullbackack can catch that in the goal line apparently. Um, but he led the team in special teams tackle, so you better replace that with somebody else. If you're not gonna, you know, use

him at that position. They're gonna keep one fullback, so you know, on the surface, it's easy to have that attitude and be like because he didn't do much on offense, but he is. He didn't lead him on special teams. He can actually run faster than he than he than guys that word number forty nine typically can run, So he's got some value. There's the tricky thing though, when you start talking about what they can do in offense versus what they are able to do on special teams.

I mean, the hope is to find a guy that can do both can be good at both sides. But usually that's the biggest like debate when it comes to certain guys like that. He falls into Rod Smith. To me, the two guys you talk about one and two on special teams, tackles and all. That's all great, you know, finding dandy, but you know, when I'm gonna ask you

to play some play. One of the reasons why you just continually hammered ezekiel o it and there's because you didn't have a very good option at the back of I don't know what happened to Rod Smith this year. He went from being a guy that I had a lot of a promise and hope and all that. But I think Ola Walley was the same thing. I think they lost a better player. I think Oakland got the better player and Keith Smith. Because Keith Smith, I think will go in there. He's a glass eater. He'll go

in there and did guys out. He'll give you a little what he has to do. A full back, he'll catch the football just as well as olda Wally will I and I just think on special teams, yeah, fine, if you want to call yeah, if you want to call it, a wash. You call it a wash, but I think they I think they downgraded with Ola Wally and if they're, if they're, and we don't know what kind of scheme that we're going to get from Kellen Moore and also from John Kittna, and we talk about

the copycatch stuff. But you know, it's a team that wants to play with a fullback. We'll see if they want to continue to play with a fullback. But me personally, I move on from that one. Yeah, yeah, I move on from from that type of fullback. But I think when this is a team that needs some red zone you know, like some um you know, increased play in the red zone, and why not let's give that a shot because they do all these tight ends and stuff

like that. But why not see about a fullback? And you know, I've been saying it for years, even if he's not a real fullback, somebody like a big defensive tackle type, just somebody with some some beef that can, like can move the pile a little bit. That would be interesting. You got some names on that that you would that you would like to see Antwine Woods, I

want to see Antwoine woulds be the middle fullback? He's a he's a sneaky good athlete, especially for his size, and I think he can he can knock someone out of the way. I really getting running down hill. It's not a bat and I actually wonder it seemed like, and you guys can correct me from wrong. You guys were around Amber was not. But back in the eighties nineties seemed like there were more teams that were willing

to do that. Obviously refrigerator Perry, but it seemed like that was more of a thing that teams were maybe willing to do back then than what we've seen recently in the NFL. Is that the way you see it or I don't remember much in the eighties and Parcels actually would do it a little bit. I mean, he had a guy named Jay Ratler before Jay was even even playing. He played him at tight end. Some, he played Marcus Spears some on the He would do that

a little bit when he when he needed to. Mike Vrabel, Yeah, you know they have a guy that Watt. Yeah, that athletic guy. J. J. Watts got more touchdown receptions than a lot of receivers in this league. And the Bears this year did it with four at one point, they had four defensive players on one play. Yeah, it was unbelievable. On one offensive one offensive play they had four guys and their Khalil Mack was one of them. Yeah, they do a lot of you know, but you gotta be

able to practice. You gotta be able to spend that time to do it. This also, it's into the point of where you have to ask a discussion or it has to be asked, if does Ezekiel Eliot feel comfortable with a guy He's so used to playing without a fullback. He's used to how he reads and how quickly he reads. And if you get a guy like Ola Wally or any fullback that doesn't is not very decisive and where he needs to be and where he needs to fit, it messes up. You're running back to where he hits

the hole. So someone needs to ask Ezekiel. I'll let the question, Okay, do you feel comfortable or would you rather it just let's hand you the ball with no lead blocker and then you find the gap, which he's been able to do throughout his career. Well, that's why you have training camp for you. Try it out, check it out, see how it works, and then we all talk about it and then they don't do it all right, right, like, oh, this is working great? Yes, then what the heart training camp?

All right, let's move on, Brian, you did talk about the next guy, Rod Smith? Already? Nick Amber talking to me about ros Smith? Is he a prior already got for you right price or you just move on? He's not a priority guy at all. I don't even think he's a right price. And there's nothing against him at all. I think everybody likes him. He's a fun guy, and I'm sure he's probably helping the in the you know,

development of Jalen Smith being here and all that. I think Jalen's gonna be fine, um, but but I think rod Smith might be better in a different offense. And it's harder to say that when we don't know exactly what kind of offense there's gonna be. But we all know when when Zeke comes off the field, it's like okay, because it just it just goes backwards. It doesn't it doesn't just keep it keep it rolling. So you need a better backup running back. Rod Smith was at one

time when they were running him in the preseason. You talk about training camp in preseasons and stuff. There was hope. There was some hope where and then you watch even the Giants game last year, you're thinking, Okay, this guy's turned the corner and he's gonna you can use him more. He's gonna be tougher, he's gonna he didn't run with toughness this year. He really didn't. He didn't run like with the violence that he normally and he normally plays with.

And I don't know if there was a problem. I don't think there was an injury problem again ambars, right, I don't think they're gonna put hurt players out there they're on the field. But I do know there was something not right with Rod Smith because he wasn't clearly the player that we all thought he would be when

he first came here. Yeah, I was really excited going into last year, the fact that he was a backup and some of the things that I was able to see that we were able to watch last year two years ago, right, Yeah, when Sike wasn't here and he was given the opportunity, and then throughout the season, I thought, well maybe, and I know you have to take advantage of the opportunities you're given and whatever, even if you play one snap, like make the most out of it.

But at the same time, there was a period what I started wondering, I'm like, maybe they're just not giving him a little bit like more to kind of get going, get the leg running, warm up and all that stuff. But at the end of the day, you need a guy that can make it happen, even if it's one play or two plays. And unfortunately that didn't play out that way this year, like Brian said, not sure what

happened because we had hope. Yeah, Rams are a great example of how you can take advantage of a second running back, right, I think, and I think they're also an example of why you need a second running back is because if you if they keep running, I think,

if they keep running Zeke at the clip that they ran. Yeah, yeah, either either you're gonna have to or I mean, you're gonna either want to get him more help or you're gonna have to get him more help because you're gonna beat him so bad that he's gonna have to be out. It's not just the Rams, it's also the Patriots too, you know. But what I like about what the Rams and Patriots do with the running back is that when

the guy comes in the game, nothing really changes. They can still do the same thing with White as they can do with Sony Michelle and even in Rex Birkhead. They can do the same things with Anderson that now it's not gonna be as dynamic as Girling, but he, I mean, he's still it's effective. And with rod Smith it's not the same. You can't play the same type of way with ze because he's not a different type

of back. Now, I'm not saying you can go find another Zeke, but you can find another guy that's a little bit shorter, squattier, you know, got that strong, strong leg, strong power. Um rod Smith, he doesn't really look like there's a reason why he doesn't really look like a running back. Those aren't what typical running backs look like. And there's only a few Adrian Peterson's that are six three six four that can play the posit. The Straff

will offer you that opportunity. Yeah, and that's why, Yeah, you go find a guy. Absolutely all right, we're gonna take our first break, We're gonna come back. We've got a whole list of guys who are going to get into including Tavon Austin and COLEBIZI. We talked about that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. If you're like me and you love, I mean, if you have a thing, then cutting the chord is scary. But then I found out I could switch to DirecTV

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the Break Black from SWVC Mortgage Studio. At the Star, we'll talking free agency, talking about all the Cowboys free agents that they have that'll be up this year. The date is March thirteenth, when the calendar year flips, and at that point they will have from to make yeah, four weeks from today, and may have a lot of decisions to make about these players. We've talked about jamaz Old, Wally rod Smith. Now let's talk about the wide receivers,

Tavon Austin, Cole Bezelin. I figure we can talk about these as a package, because I don't think you guys can correct me if you disagree. But I don't think Cowboys signed both of them. I think the Cowboys will sign one or neither. So I want you to talk about them kind of as a package. Which of them is priority of either which of them would be at the right price, and which of them would or which or both would you move on from. Let's start with you, Brian.

You know what I've I've kind of gone back and forth on this in my head because I'm starting to look at these kids in the college draft and realize there's options there as well for you to go if you want to. If you don't want to pay Cole Beasley six seven million dollars a year, you can surely go and get a an option that you know for the next you know, maybe three or four years. That's

a lot cheaper. Similar type of players, guys that are high volume catchers, uh, you know, are comfortable running inside routes. I think there's obviously some options now if you look at too potentially you know what's going on with Golden Tate. You know, I think if you if you start to say, okay, now the market has Golden Tate, Beasley, uh the kid down in uh down in Tampa as well involved, you know,

Humphreys is his name. If you get four or five of those on the market and then get college options and stuff, we'll see where Cole Beasley falls. Yeah, but but, but, but but it's seven million dollars a year. I'm out. I'm out because I know I have options. I've got other things that I and you know, this this team. Yeah, Cole Beasley has been a nice player for this team. But maybe Cole Beasley has worn out his welcome here, you know, and it's time to move on from that.

You know, I understand how competitive he is, how he wants the football. I get all that. But there's other options out there too, And the fact that I know that I have other options makes me want to content wants me to move on from that. So you mentioned that seven million dollar number. Can you give me a number that you would feel comfortable with. Well, you know what, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'll pay him what

he currently makes. He's thirty years old, you know, currently his average per years about three point four, So you're willing to pay him maybe three point five. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to sit there and pay him six million dollars a year. I'm just not gonna do that's probably not gonna do it most and no to me, I love you, and I also loved you know, I loved Anthony Hitchins too, you know, as a big

fan of Anthy Hitchins. But all of a sudden, when you start saying I have to pay that, okay, I'll move on you. Look, I think your linebackers got better with with Anthi Hitchins walking out the door. Wow, that's hard not doing right. That's a good statement right there. But they also invested a first round pick. Absolutely, and obviously they can't do that, but they invested a first round pick in and Marii Cooper, and so they did invest a first round pick. I think Brian's right on

the fact that I'm not paying him. I'm not paying him for what he's done, because if you have to pay these guys, and that's what Jerry got in trouble for back in the mid nineties. You know, he's loyal to his players, and he paid them contracts for what they have done and not for what they they are projected to be. And at thirty years old and a guy that's been banged up and he's heard, you know, every year just a little bit. He makes some plays, he gets he gets taken out of games. It's not

worth six or seven million a year. I don't, I don't care. I don't. He's not that that proven to me. Um, seventy five catches. Yeah, that that was a that was a great year. But you're like the third or fourth option, you know, and I just I wouldn't pay that much. I would I would say, will pay you three to four million. Um, So go go see what's out there, just like Terrence Williams did a few years ago, and

comes back. You come back. That's actually a great point when you talk about the option, like third or fourth option. Can a team? Can any team afford to pay a third or fourth option six seven million dollars? Yeah, that's especially when you got so many guys within the next two years that will be up that are high price guys that you would have to pay big money if you're going to retain their services. It does make you wonder is it worth paying that fourth third goes to Cincinnati.

Do you think he's gonna have a blowout? Yere Cincinnati listis, I don't know, I'm just Cincinnati. He'll have the year he's been had. Okay, what if he what if he goes to Miami, he'll probably have what what if he goes to New England, He's probably gonna have a really good I mean, that's that's that's what. But you know, the guy, there's only probably three or four of those kind of teams where you're like, I can have a really good year if he goes there, because the quarterback

will use him the right way. Guy makes a New England makes about six and a half million dollars a year. Edelman, Yeah, and they get that kind of production about him. You know a couple of years ago Edelman and a Mendola. Yeah, we're both doing that. Not teams can can play like that, and um so yeah, he could go to New England and a a Mendola is a great example because look at what Avendola was doing when he was with the with New England and what has he done since. Yeah, it's

it's a yeah, it's a big difference. And so, yeah, if he goes to one of those teams, which if if he wants to play and really get maximum, you know, whatever it is with aximum playing out of whatever situation, He's probably going to be looking at those kinds of situations and seeing if they are willing to bring him in for the count of money he want. He needs to go with a really good, established, accurate quarterback. Good

sounds like the same conversation we're having. Established and accurate. Yeah, I don't think that guy right here is that's we would call Dak that he was not established. I mean, he's he's he's on his way. He's not accuracy, he's not his best thing. He needs to go to a quarterback that that probably would be a little bit more accurate. Let me correct myself. That's he makes four point six million a year. Edelman. Edelman, Oh gosh, that's a steel. Yeah,

that's what I'm saying. That's a steel. That's a bay at disney World or wherever he you know, he's been sitting at and he's gonna get a hold out. He needs to. He needs to make more than that. That is. Yeah, that's a steel like that. But that's if you look, if you look at the Patriots, that's if you look at how their salary structure is, it's Brady Stefan, Gilmour, Devin mccordy, Rod Grinkowski, high Tower, Marcus Cannon. I mean,

I think have I named an offensive player? I mean I've named Brady and Grinkowski, yeah, you know, and I've named an offensive tackle. You know, That's what I'm saying. Julian Elman, he comes down, he said, you know his numbers right at you know, uh, four point six, And I would suspect if he went to another team you would see a similar similar thing, is what you saw with Edelman, same thing. Rooks Burke had three million dollars.

But well, I think you move on from Cole regardless of the money, whatever it is, doesn't matter a million year. Here's here's why the money doesn't matter to me at this point. Cool. He's a great guy, and he's always had a great attitude, very very happy, playful guy, good guy to be around. But last year there was a big noticeable difference in his attitude and the way he was feeling being here and everything that was happening at the wide receiver position. And what's happening in what happened

in the offense. So you don't really want to have a guy that is not content, and I really doubt that they're gonna be that is not content, And I doubt that the Cowboys would really bend to satisfy his needs and what he wants. Are you sure they have not? Because are you sure that whatever you were sensing from

him wasn't because of the offensive coordinator? And now with that offensive coordinator gone, maybe he is satisfied with the result, because it did sound like to me, at least it sound like some of the if you want to read behind the lines of what people were saying, I think

the receivers buying large supported this move. That's a good point. Yeah, I wasn't thinking of that change of offensive coordinator, So you would have to check and see what they're thinking and maybe if that fits with them then then yeah. But if it was to stay how it was as far as how they were using him, then it's just someone that you're not happy, then don't be here, you know.

So you go somewhere where you feel happy and you feel that you can make a difference and that the people that you're with are going to appreciate you and take care of you and use you how you want to be used. Okay, so let's flip to the other guy and see if maybe y'll give him a little more love than Cole tay Von Austin. Is he a guy as a priority? You think he's a guy at the right price. You think he's a guy you just move on from. How about a one year veteran minimum deal?

All right? That? Because I need I'm gonna need a punt returner. Yep, I mean I saw a little bit of there. I'm I'm gonna saying, listen, man, I paid you last year. You played eleven percent of the Snaps, ten percent of the snaps. I gave you money last year. Do me a favor here? No, seriously, no, I gave I gave you seven million dollar ye, No, where I gave you seven million dollars last year, my friend. Yeah, you know, think about that, you know, and you're saying, listen,

you did. You played ten percent of the Snaps. If you want to go out and pick up your life and go somewhere else and try somewhere else, good. But this is where I'm at right now. You know, this is where I think that Stephen Jones comes into play. I think Stephen Jones doesn't give an f I really don't. I think he's like, you know what a shrewd business. Yeah,

And this is what's gonna happen with Earl Thomas. I think if they really go after Earl Thomas, it's gonna be it's gonna be one guy recruiting his rear off Chris Roshard and the other guys saying I can only give you this much, how much? How badly do you want to play here? Do you want to play here? Okay, this is what we can do. If you don't want to play here. You know, I'm gonna look at this draft, which I've done the last five years now, or I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go find a human log

out there. You know, I'm gonna go find my pro department, find me another guy, is what I'm gonna do. Yeah, And that right there, you can go back and you could say, how does the full back affect the safety position? Well, affects it? If you go sign Earl Thomas. If you sign Earl Thomas, then all of a sudden, who's not starting, Probably Jeff Heath, Jeff Heath doesn't start, then Jeff Heath is now your core special teams player, which is probably his best role anyway back. Now now like that, Yeah,

now you're Rod Smith and you're Ola Wally. You take a little bit. I mean, so it's a domino effect in that regard my opinion on Tavon Austin, I'm letting him go. I don't think he's gonna help this team. I don't think he helped the Rams. I think the Rams you saw Sean McVay was like could do and then he wanted him out of the picture. Um, I agree that whole You've played eleven percent of the snaps, but you're asking him to be rational and that that's

something I haven't really seen. We've seen some other things behind the scenes a little bit that are just kind of head scratching, and you're you know, well, I'm just true. It's not so much the dancing. You know, there were other alarms that went off that you know, um, at different times that I've never seen before, and so I just, you know, I just I think it's time to move on there. Yeah, I think so real quick, Brian brought

up the name. I just want to get your opinions, Golden Tap, would you would you go out and try to go after a free agent like that, knowing that again, if he's coming in here, he certainly isn't jumping over Mary Cooper. And what you've seen from Gallop suggests a Gallop is a nice young opportunity, I mean, a nice young receiver that you want to be able to grow. He would be the third receiver. You probably have to pay him, probably more money than either one of those two.

You look at a guy like Golden Tap. Absolutely, I don't how much you willing to pay him. Like if you say you're willing to pay three and a half to Cole, okay, willing? Okay, if you told me, I'd pay him more than Cole. You know why, because he could play on the outside. Cole Beasley can't play on the outside. Cole Beasley can barely you know, he barely plays When you ask him to do anything on the outside. He is a non factor. He's a non factor in the red zone. He's a fourth down in five the

game on the line. Who did they throw the ball to in Philadelphia to get to that game to New Orleans? Get through it to frigging Golden Tate. That's what they threw it to. And people say, oh, he drops the ball, Yeah, he tromps the ball. This guy could play inside outside. He is a mean, nasty m effort. I am telling you that's what you give me one of those guys I really doesn't either. That's see, give me give me guys that. It means something too. I'll pay him more

than cole Bees. You know why because Amber just told me, now there's something different about cole Is there something different about his attitude? Now? I want a guy that loves football. I think Golden Tate loves football. And the problem is now that the Lions traded him. You are the Lions traded him because they couldn't get a contract. He thought they were gonna have a contract done. But let's all go back to what he did to us in Week three or four, whatever week that was, where you know,

twelve targets, twelve catches. Let's remember that of a guy playing inside and outside. Okay, sign me up. I mean the thing about that, and with all the guys that they've got to resign, I believe with in free agency they could do one of those deals. One of those deals where you're gonna be making more than eight million, seven to eight million, and it would have be golden tate. I don't think it's an either. I don't think you do that and you can go get your safety. That's

what I'm saying. Yeah, you have to make. This is a decision. Is your free agent signing. If you did outside of your own guys, yeah, outside of it, if you did either one of those, I applaud which you've done this offseason. You signed Lawrence long term, you go get a safety, or you go get that wide receiver that now now you're you're you're you're cooking the right way. Yeah, yeah, either one, either one. You look like you got something on your mind. You mean, yeah, what you mean, Sop

playing out there? Agree with that. But obviously my am my priority and what I would want it is Earl and the safety guy. A wide receiver. Yes, And I just think that I'm just tired of the wide receiver position. I am just fed up with it. I'm tired of hearing about it too many changes. Let's just let let's figure out this is it and this is what we're gonna do. And I know this is what you do during the off season. Did you not like a trade to make No, yes, I did. That was a good

trade with the receivers before the trade. I think what what's annoying or frustrating for me was to see that whole mess happening during the season. And it's tough to say this because it's kind of what needs to happen in order for you to really figure out what's going on. But the fact that they just didn't we're in like half figure out, Yeah, when they started the season, It's like, that's why you took It took an awful start to

figure out. You have preseason like, okay, you should have a better feel of your wide receiver group by the time the seasons start up. With the front office of the receivers, I don't know. It's a mixture to make sure. I'm just tired of talking about the wide receiver positions. They got a Marii Cooper, like you mentioned Michael Gallup. He he showed a lot of potential there. There's a room to grow there and he seems promising. Now let's just like fully solidify this and keep improving on Dak,

keep working Dack out. I have junkin that he should be able to do that and take care of that. But I just want to lock this out down, lock it down, and kind of move on from that aspect of things and just okay, we're done with it. I just jumped on the table for Golden Take. Jump on the table for the safety. Jump on the table, and tell me why they should get this. Okay, Well, why shouldn't you? Yeah, that's the question there. Why shouldn't you?

I mean the defense. You saw a great amount of change this past year of growth and how they were able to take it to another level. Now, I think that what really really would just take it right where they need to be is to have a guy like Earl Thomas playing the way that he played, And of course we got to see how he is after the injury. But even then, go ahead, go you guys. Just set Golden Take comes in here and is probably the third

receiver at least from a slot. Now you can play on the outside on a running team with the best running back in the league in my opinion, and a running team that needs to get a better backup. Um. But then you'd have a slot guy that could help. He'd help on the outside. He'd be good Earl Thomas comes in. He would be your best safety you've had since Darren Woodson. So and a guy that gives you something that this team lacks in the secondary, which is takeaways.

And he's proven to do that. He proved it twice in the in the in the game. Um and so, I it's a great it's a great debate. But I think you you you're really fixing more of a problem over here than you would be at the at the receiver if you didn't do the Cooper thing last year. Yeah, that changes everything. Well, if you did do the Cooper thing, you're you're in the ab sweepstakes, don't you think, Yeah,

you're you're up. Yeah, you're talking about moving a pick, yeah, absolutely, or drafted and you know, and the way it looks right now, there's not a first round receiver on that board. So this is a great movie all the way around this there's not there. It's not just Brian broad Us saying this, it's guys all around the league saying, I don't know if there's a first round receiver on this board? Wow?

You know and that and that right there, So that that's that's where you know you you Yeah, good for Pittsburgh, you're gonna get out pretty high pick. But the problem Pittsburgh running into is they're not training for people. Aren't training for a twenty four year old receiver, training for a thirty year old, thirty thirty one year old receiver. That right, thirty thirty one year old receiver that can be at times a malcontent. Very true, yep, very true.

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Can I ask you guys real quick question. I know you're gonna talk about a defensive end. I talk about defensive tackle. Yeah, the kids Simmons at Michigan, at Mississippi State towards ACL yesterday, he's like a top ten pick at fifty eight. Are you guys gonna jump on board and talk about drafting maybe a top ten pick, because we've that's what they do in the second round. Like

that's everybody's okay on this man. That's you know, if if you're telling me he legitimately is a top fifteen pick, he is, there's no question, then yeah, bring bringing him on. So and I will sit and wait for him to get healthy, and then I will have myself at Jalen Smith two point zero. He's not going to play at all in twenty nineteen. I don't care. Okay, you have a good football team. You have a good football team that's already young. I don't care always thinking about the

future health. I got an Antoine Woods, you had the idea for another year, So I'm okay with that. Wait wait, wait, wait wait, we got it. We got a distainer here. I think when you got a good deal like that, that you can steal some good talent. Obviously you've seen it worked out down the line, and yeah, that's good. But what I say, yeah, hate is the idea of

always thinking about the future that far ahead. When you have like let's think about now, let's figure out this year and figure out how to win this year, and shake your head all you want but save the head coach Amberson, to save the head coach program. But that is that is this program, make no mistake about it. He is he wants nothing to do this gas. When we that, we get to see the fans talk about it on Twitter and stuff, and me, obviously havn't been a fan since I was born or type of thing,

like I wasn't born here, bless you. But but when you look at people like that that they've been with this team for so many years, and then you start thinking, oh, yeah, this is for the future. Like we're at the point that I feel that the fans are so saturated with the whole situation. It needs to happen and needs to happen, and let's just focus about now that all makes sense and that's great, But then you don't have Jalen Smith if you're not gonna do right. Then you don't have

DeMarcus Lawrence if you're not gonna do that. There are a ton of guys that the Cowboys are selected in the second round. There's a reason why they're in the second round. Lee is another one. So yeah, I think you can say that, but some of the best players that have been on this team in the last five to ten years are guys that they select in the second round because they had here concerns and they were like, we will accept that, and we will we know we

will benefit on the other end. Yes, that's that's a good argument. And but at the same time, you gotta think the other players that are your great talent, they're worrying out too. Yeah, years are passing by, they're not getting any younger. You know, she's she's not wrong. I get it. I think she. I think she us three here are thinking about yeah, a future, future, future. She's

honestly lined up with what the fans thinking about. The fan is tired of talking about twenty five years without a Super Bowl, yep, or even sniffing a conference championship. But let me ask you this. If you if you, let's assume for a second, you get Earl Thomas or you get the receiver, right, you get one of those two guys. Yeah, let's say you resigned tank Um, do you feel like next year defensive tackle position and I'm assuming you would still maybe get another defensive tackle a

little free agency something that you hope. Do you think that you would be prohibited from getting to a Super Bowl running Malie Collins and Antoine Woods out there next year knowing that you got this guy sitting what happened to you the MS, what happened to you in the Rams game? So you're not playing him next year? No, I am. But the thing is he's a guy that husband injured reoccurring injury, the same one, and it's something that David Irving you cannot rely on. Well, you've moved

That's what I'm saying. Though we were, we werena moving on from him. No, No, we were putting our eggs in our basket for that guy. Yeah, yeah, okay, But I just wanted to make so it sounds like you guys are all bored for bringing it in anbar about the fan. I'm looking at the second round picks. There's no second round pick that's come in here that's helped this team like immediately that they don't help, even to Marcus Lawrence, did you come help immediately? And so Gregory didn't,

Jalen didn't. Jason Garrett didn't want to hear that, right, He doesn't want to hear him right, right. I mean he's getting nothing out of the draft. Probably Jason Gooen in the room please, we're gonna conduct this draft without you. But yeah, well it may or may not affect I heard there's some real good catfish the serving line. All right, let's move on Jeff Swain. Is he a priority guy? Right price guy? Or move on from him? Great price? Okay, moving on, you're moving on? Yeah, I am bad enough.

You know what I'm trying to I think I can continually upgrade the position. Again, I have the advantage of you guys right now because I've seen some tight ends in this draft. Yeah, and I feel like that if you look at a couple of them, if you know Sternberger not a from Georgia, those two guys, by the way, Draft show eleven am tomorrow check us out to it. But but but there's tight ends in this draft where I think that if you paired one of those guys

with Blake Jarwin and then also with Dalton Schultz. Now we're now we're humming along here. Now we're you know. I mean I think Jeff Swain, I think he did. He came in here and trust me, he's the only guy that was that got Dame Bruger got stumped by didn't have a report and he's played far beyond his expectations of here and even watch Texas. Yeah, I didn't have it. I didn't. We will. Yeah, I mean they didn't use him much in a way where you would

notice him at Texas. And he probably might, like Nick say, might get a one year deal to come back and be all that. You know, if that's fine, But I'm I'm trying to I'm gonna go try and draft me a guy to kind of build with the other two tight ends. I got all right, we got only a few more minutes. Let's let's move to shut up this camp. No, no, no no, it's okay, Cam Fleming Amber. Which way would

you go on him? Ah? Yeah, yeah, one year deal, one year deal, one year deal, another Yeah, you're yeah, that's like another one of those guys, just like Swain too. It's just like I'm fine with having them back a good price or whatever. But obviously looking forward, looking into the draft, and see you just add more people, create some competition. Let's see what happens. She's right about the draft. There's some tackles in the draft in the middle of

the board. Yeah, I bring him back. I bring him back because I want to get him an off season with Mark Colombo different, you know, mindset than they had last year. And it's easy to say, ask someone else, but I'd like to see who that person is. So and we know how important to swing tackle questions left tackle? You know how important that swing tackle is. I think that's something that you probably want to consider very heavily.

If you're not gonna have him back, you better have a really really good option other one or coach Connor Williams up real well. Right, he was drafted, Kevin, he was signed before Connor Williams. He's not gonna make you not draft the player. Like when they saw Connor, they were like, oh what about swimming? Okay, you know, and that same thing will happen here for a third or fourth round tackle that they like. They'll just because whatever they signed him to won't be like committed to keep

one year be good? Yeah? All right? Uh, Marcus Smart, we didn't see him play this year. He was injured in training camp. Let him go walk away, all right? Uh? David Irving, any takers, no none? Go Amber okay, let me no no, no, let me say something real good. And I talked to you because she's concerned about MALIEK. Collins and she's not wrong. Yes, and he's a he's a he's a really good defensive tackle. Remember that I've

been ready to move on. But in today at four o'clock, that's what happened at her Like someone got me thinking, I'm like, okay, how about do you see this being a similar situation or scenario even though different stories, different things, But as to what happened to Randy Gregory to where a lot of us were kind of ready to move on from him and say no, he's done. And when I hear it comment like that, it makes you think, okay, you do want to jump on that boat like you're

done with him. But at the same time you get to think of those situations and always keep an open mind. See, I think this is one of those areas for me that's kind of great. I would not have a problem with having him back. I would need to see a total commitment on his part this offseason that shows me not not one of your words. I would have to see see a total commitment from him this offseason that

suggested to me that he wanted to be here. So if I were doing something in him, it would be a one term, one year deal with a ton of incentives and he's gonna have to earn every single time by showing up, by playing, by playing, well, that's how he would make his money. And if he's willing to do that kind of deal, then his talent makes me say I would keep him around for another year just to see watch because there could have been a lot of things going on there. There was the personal life

kind of stuff going on around him. We didn't know the whole details of that, and so maybe there was some of that that really can be debilitating. I don't know. I don't I really don't know, So I would I would want at least try it that way and see if I could. You sound like the front office the coaches are saying, audios. I know, yeah, I know, yeah, I know, because you're not the one that has to go in the room and talk the rest of those guys when they're seeing this guy not show up. You

handle that, Okay, you handle that? What's the problem? Why aren't you handling that? Right? Yeah? All right, Dayton Jones. I got to move on, all right, DeMarcus Lawrence. And obviously we could stop down on this one for a little while, but I think it's pretty as those other ones were pretty cut and dry. I think this one is pretty cutting dry as well. Right, what Dayton Jones.

I'll say this though, that they like him and if you're not gonna have Irving back, and you know they they actually there's a place for him because he's an athletic player. He's a former first round pick, athletic player at tackle, can get up the field. With Woods coming back from injury, I don't think that they just you know, they would love to get some cheap deal for him and maybe bring him back. Maybe it's a one year deal as well as you get throwing Koran Read with

that too. He's also an undrestricted. See now now I'm moving on from Karan Read and those guys. If you tell me Jones is coming back, I will take Jones over Karan Read. That's just because because you already know what you what I've seen Karan replay, Thank you very much for which not a bad player, yea, he was okay at times, But you think you can get more production out of Dayton Jones absolutely absolute healthy. Yeah. Um, let's move on to a couple of linebackers here. Justin

March Lillard, I just feel like, you know, Hello, Chris Cummington. Yeah, Bryan Broad, it's nice to meet you. You've draft go out there to play. Well, you're gonna draft another one. You're Joe Thomas, Chris Covington. You've got two quality starting linebackers. Let's keep going. We'll add one down the road. Let me let me do one that's a little tougher, maybe Damien Wilson. Do you do with him? With with me? I say, go test the market? Yeah, see what's out there.

If you give this deal, congratulations, I just think I just don't think you're it. Did something great? Yeah, you know, he's been here four years and and and again. His most famous moments aren't aren't really positive. I just don't you didn't he didn't play like Hitchens, same round, same conference that drafted from. Didn't play like Hitchens. Hi, Chris, Chris Covi did not you again? Yeah, exactly? Let him walk? Now?

Are you at all concerned about the depth there at that position, because we don't Sean Lee obviously isn't an unrestricted free agent, but you would assume something's gonna be done with him from this. You know what I'm gonna do, reducing his money if he's willing to do that. That's the idea. I think Sean Lee would. I think Lee would work with you. I think Sean Lee's willing to work. I don't think Sean Lee's done playing football. But I'll tell you what though, it was a little bit red

flaggish to me. He wasn't as good when he came back with injury from injury. He wasn't the same type as Shaun Lee. If you're telling me I could cut his salary in half and have him come back, I think over there they would love to have Sean leeback, but I can't have him back at seven million dollars a year, right easy. And so you don't feel like if you got Sean Leeback, you don't find you're you're at all exposed by letting these two guys walk. Now, I go with Joe Thomas, and I'm trusting my pro

guys are gonna find me another Joe Thomas. Yeah yeah, all right, good final one, LP Latissore. I'm bringing him back, bringing him back now. I do think he wants a two year deal. He's not gonna do another one year deal. But you know what do that? Yeah? I mean, I mean I understand what happened in Washington. That was a weird thing. Not his fault at all. Yeah, I mean he's he's about as consistent as you can get what he might be the best at his job of anybody

on this team. If you just say you're what's your job, He's got the job. Yeah, but have a bad snap, Yeah, have a bad snap before we can really say that. And also he will get down there and make it. I mean, he's gonna make a play. But he's not a liability, Nope, running down there. And that's that's part of the long snapping ability. All good things start with the snap, the snap, the hold, the kick. If one of those things gets jacked up, it's usually a disaster, right.

You know, you can usually survive the bad hold, you can't survive the bad snap. This guy, this guy forever. You don't even have to talk about him. Yeah, personality wise, you don't want to talk about him. But but still, but still, you know, he's the type of guy that when he comes on the field, you know there's something consistent. You don't you're not thinking it's gonna be oh my gosh, it's gonna be bowling class today. You know, he's not

gonna bowl it back there. Yeah, you know, Chris Jones is a damn good holder too, and the reason why you can kind of have a kicker chance. You know, I didn't think there was a kicking contest summer. I gotta pay better attention to practice. I'm sorry about watching that. Yeah, no doubt about that. Yeah, but anyway, don't take that for granted. I bring him back. If it's a two year deal, go ahead. Yeah, it's worth it to me not to have those problems. Okay, Now all that being said,

to wrap up, he's like a good backup quarterback. To wrap up this conversation, we're gonna take DeMarcus Lawrence out of this mix. Tell me the one guy on this list that would be the most important signing this offseason for the Cowboys. That one right there, LP hit me handles to me, and that just goes to show that you don't need a lot of those guys. You'd be okay, yeah if yeah, Well, that's the one guy there that you can absolutely rely on, like and and no, he's

a constant guy. There's no question about his ability to do what he needs to do. But I'll say this, though they had a backup the guys that have come in that that are backup snappers at training camp have done good, good things. One of them was in the Pro Bowl. Casey Crider was in the Pro Bowl. Another one Scott Daley, who here a couple of years exactly in that new league right now. I think for San Antonio's team, so you know, they would find another snapper,

they'd find a good one. You know, you just keep finding them. But um, but it's just scary. It's a scary world when you when you dip your toe in that pool and then someone pushes you in, you can't swim that. That's hard. I mean, I I just think that the whole operation is because of LP laudasor you know, and the minute they start bowlering back there, then the minute we need to say that was a bad idea. Yeah, I will say for me, Cam Fleming is that guy.

And again it's because when I look at the importance of the role on this that role on this team, we've seen what can happen when that role isn't isn't somebody that can actually play. And I don't think he's great. I think he's the perfect backup tackle though. I think he's got some wartz. But if you put him in there, you feel pretty good that you're not going to have one of those days that the Cowboys had in twenty seventeen. In it, right, you're not gonna have that kind of day.

You can hole, you can steady the ship, even if you you lose your all. I'll say this about tight end. When last year, when when Hitchens going into free agency, linebacker was kind of an issue. There when Hitchen's left linebacker was a huge priority. Now you gotta go get a guy if they don't resign Swain, which I don't think they should or make a big deal that, but it even reinforces even more that tight end is a

huge priority in the draft. You've got to go get You know what's funny, Nick, they played games without him, they play they won games without him, you know, and when he went down and all of a sudden they're winning, so that in your heart you're going yeah, yeahs So you gotta you gotta get somebody for depth purposes and they like to run three tight end. Right. If you think the Rico experiment is kind of over, I think

I think we should. I think the head coach would probably walk in there and tell you, yeah, we're going to play who we want to play, and yeah, yeah, I think it's about time to kind of move. This would be interesting how they structure this team now with a head coach. It's kind of a lame duck head coach because do you do you listen to him? In this head coaches has done a good job as an evaluator. I'm not gonna lie there. I mean, if you want

to a lot of things I blame him for. I am not gonna blame him for his evaluation skills now, because here this team is not a talent poor roster. Oh yeah, it's not talent poor and a lot of it has to do and he talks about he talks about collective decisions and all that. That's true. Trust me, I've lived it with a head coach carries a big stick. Dave Campo just didn't want to hit us over the head with a big stick, you know, Parcells, he wanted to hit us over the head with a big stick.

I think Jason Garrett's the same way, and I think it'd be really interesting to see with his job on the line, Like, Okay, can we take Simmons at fifty eight and Oh great, How happy is he gonna look? Am I gonna take a bunch of see that ye into the war room? Yeah? And Jason's just sitting everbody's high fo he's that look he gave when Randy Gargery

was drafted. You know, the last thing he said, you know, Randy Gregory said to him was you don't have to worry about me, coach and Randy we had to worry about you know. I don't think we're gonna I don't think yeah, I don't think we're seeing any of those. All right, guys, we appreciate you join us. We're back. Actually, we won't be on the show next week. We will not be having shows next week. I am a PI picking up this team and we are gonna go on a little retreat for some R and R. But we

will be back the week after that. We'll be back on the air. We'll combine the week. We'll see what happens. We'll do something. Debby shows, Debby Shows. If you see us in the City of Angels, by us a drink. Yeah, especially Brian as though he's not already gonna be overserved. All right, were you guys join us? We'll see you in a couple of weeks. So then for Nick even Brian brought us Amber Garcia. I'm Derekypen. This has been The Breaks live on one Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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