Cowboys Break: Different Approach?

episode number ninety four. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick here in studio with me. David Amber are remote and we're gonna talk some Cowboys football here for the next hour. We're gonna talk a little bit about the offseason and what the Cowboys might want to do different this year than maybe they did last year, facing some of the similar challenges that they had last year. We'll also get into some NFC East talk. There's a

one coach that's out. One coach for the Cowboys is maybe a candidate for that position. We'll talk about that a little bit, and as usual, we'll take some picks at the end of the show, and everybody will give their picks for the NFC and AFC championship games this weekend. Before we get to some fan questions, how's everybody doing this morning? Good? Awesome, Derek, good, good, wonderful, good good. Let's go. Let's get some energy here, Let's get this.

I'm feeling really good. Ready to go. A lot to talk about it. Bill, great, let's go. Thank you, Dave, all right, thank you, all right. Let's jump right in. Let's start with a little conversation on the offseason. I was I was actually looking around on the internet yesterday and I saw this interesting quote from Damari Smith, who is the nfl PA executive director. He was on a call with agents and this was reported by Tom Pellicero.

He said that there's no rosy outlook on widespread vaccinations of players by August, and OTA's mini camps likely will be virtual again. Quote. We're planning for an off season that looks a lot like the twenty twenty offseason. My question for you guys is what would you change if you were Mike McCarthy. You're going into this offseason. There isn't necessarily an answer yet to this pandemic. There are

things that may make you a little more optimistic. But all that being said, what would you change that you didn't do last year that you would do this year, or things that you did last year that you wouldn't do this year. Let's start with you, Nick, Well, I don't know, like I think that you know last year when you think about what happened, you know, when it started, I think everybody was just figuring, well, this is gonna change, This will get better when the season starts, and then

it never did. In fact, it got worse a little bit as the season went on and they had different restrictions I think for about a two week period. So you know, I mean they've learned. It's hard for me to answer that. I mean, they may have better answer, but it's hard for me to answer that. But I think that they know the things that were working for them in ways that you can kind of get around some of the rules and some of the guidelines on

how you can get on the field. I mean, they've got to figure out a way to get on the field. The coaches have got to get on the field. And I think that's just personally. I think that you have to say that if you're d Murray Smith and you have to say it doesn't look rosy, and we're planning on an off season that looks like it. You have

to plan that way because you've been burned before. Personally, I don't think it'll be that way, but I think you don't think the off season will be I don't think no. I think they'll be on the field more. I think that they figured things out and how to do things distant, you know, distance wise and all that, So I think it's fine to plan that way. But I do think that, you know, I would imagine they'll get on the field, and I think that's the biggest thing,

is getting on the field. Yeah, I think they would be on the field as well, especially after you being able to go through a whole NFL season, and if they keep the whole testing going and just taking this and kind of measure, I would imagine that you can get everyone together and practice how you were practicing during

the regular season. Now, if that wasn't the case and they go with an off season similar to last year, I was thinking about this question, Derek, and I really don't have an answer because even last year, I mean, you would listen to Mike McCarthy, you would listen to the coaches and hear them say how great it was going, how everything was working so well, and they got a

great offseason virtual program and everything was great. So in your mind you're like, Okay, it sounds like they're good, and then once they got on the field, it was a total mess. So I really don't have an answer. I would hope that they were able to learn from their mistakes and take away some of the things that did maybe work for them, and try to apply new things. Now I am very curious to know what's going to

happen with all these new coaches. I mean, you go through a year where you had new coaches, you go through all that, then you end the season starting a year, and now you're having to make coaching changes again. So I'm curious to see how that all applies, and maybe different ways than Mike McCarthy decides to do things this year. Dave, sorry if I sound like a broken record, but I said this last week. This is I mean, they already

did the big thing. They hired dan Quinn, like I legitimately believe, and I don't mean that to sound like disrespect to dan Quinn, like he's not a good coach. He deserves to be hired regardless. But I think the big appeal of making that higher is because it helps them get through another weird offseason if that's what it comes to, if you can't get on the field that much, if the off season program is you know, if it's

virtual or if it's shortened or whatever. This is a scheme that the bedrock players of your defense already know how to run. Most of them should feel comfortable in it. And everything we know about it is that it's a little bit more simplistic than what Mike Nolan was trying to install here. And I mean, of course there's other lessons to learn, you know, I mean the offense, you know, not like they don't have to work, but obviously everybody's

a lot less worried about that than the defense. And I really think that's why dan Quinn was hired, is that should make it easier for them to handle this if if we do have to deal with another you know, pandemic offseason. Yeah, it's interesting. Jc trut Treeder, who is the NFLPA president, he went on to say, and this wasn't at the same time. He actually made the quote earlier before Demuri Smith and he said that he advocates

ending the offseason conditioning program altogether. His quote was, there's no reason for us to ever return to the previous offseason program because he feels like that they have figured out a way to be able to play good football without having the off season program as it used to be. Do you agree with that, Nichola start with you one hundred percent disagree. I think it's selfish for him to say that, and I think it's shortsighted. He's a he's

a guy that's played for years as a starter. He's a starting center, and you know what kind of I mean, yeah, those guys need conditioning and all that, but what about what about the rookies? What about those players? What tell me Reggie Robinson didn't need an offseason? I mean, he didn't need a preseason, He didn't need to get in

the weights and stuff like that. I mean, I just think, you know, I think it's and I hate that when some of these players, these the guys, the guys that speak for the NFLPA, those are the representatives, Those are the good players, those are the veteran players, those are the ones that think, oh, we don't need preseason games. Well, no, you don't. Because you're on the team. You don't have to prove it to everyone. Russell Wilson's going out saying that, well, no,

he doesn't want to get hit. I don't blame him, But there's guys that need preseason games, they need offseason, they need the strength program. There's coaches that need to be on the field to teach their stuff. I just think it's a very shortsighted thing for him to say that. I don't know, never met him. He's probably a good guy. But no, I gotta get your point, Amber, No, I absolutely agree. The only thing I would add to that is the whole injury aspect of things. It's another thing

that you have to look at. I mean, this season we saw a crap ton of injuries go on, not just with the Cowboys but all around the NFL. So again, I don't know if it's due to that, but that might be a big reason as to why we saw so many injuries, and not just young guys, veteran guys that you need them to go out there, even if they think, oh, we're veterans, we know how to handle it. Well, clearly not because I didn't go down that way. And a lot of really good players ended up getting hurt

and being out for the season. So that's another way to look at it. So I absolutely disagree with what he said. Yeah, you know what, real quick, Dave, I was, I forgot about the injury part, and I was, but it wasn't gonna say crap ton, So I'm glad I didn't mention that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but she is right. I mean, it wasn't good football, Yeah, Dave, I sympathize with the point that he's trying to make. And you know, in today's NFL, these guys work ten eleven months out

of the year. Like the vast majority the good NFL players, the ones that stick in the league for a long time, they're back at work by a Valentine's Day. You know, It's not like these guys are just twiddling their thumbs all throughout the offseason. But at the same time, I mean, I do think and not just the Cowboys. Obviously the Cowboys didn't handle it as well as a lot of other teams, But yeah, I think I think you saw the side effect of not having those practices in the spring.

I mean, it doesn't seem like a lot because it's not full contact, but like in terms of installing and getting people comfortable with what you're trying to do. I mean, you think about it, there's there's nine OTAs I believe, and then and like three or four mini camp practices, So twelve to fifteen practices. I mean that's half of training camp when you think about it, like if you take out off days and things like that, I mean, that is not an insignificant amount of work. And yeah,

I mean it's significant for rookies. It's significant for undrafted guys trying to the team, new players trying to learn the scheme, or if you have a new coaching staff. So no, I don't agree with him at all really, but I mean I do sympathize that, Yeah, some of these veteran players deserve a little bit more of a break, but you know, they are well compensated for their efforts, so it's hard to feel that bad for him, And that,

to me becomes a coaching issue. I think coaches have to realize their veteran guys may not need the same work that the younger guys do and figure out ways. And we saw this happen with Jason Garrett quite a bit he would give his veteran veterans veteran days during training camp when they didn't work with the rest of the team and some of those drills. So I think that's up to the coach to figure that part out

and figure out the balance. Every player doesn't need the same things, but you guys are right, these young guys, they need this like it is absolutely essential in their development for a lot of them to be able to make it in the league, let alone to be able to reach their full potential. Right. Yeah, and maybe maybe you know, as Dave said, I mean, you know, they do have a lot of OTAs and they have mini camps. I mean, maybe there's a there's a middle balance there.

Maybe there's two rookie mini camps instead of just one. And then you know, we're because that helps him. Those are those rookie you know mini camps. I mean, somebody has to be the quarterback for that, somebody has to be the running back. And it might just be a guy that's not going to be on the team or or you know, have a hard you know, not going to play a lot of snaps, but he's gonna get a lot of reps and so maybe maybe there's a

way to kind of mix it up. But just to say just to say we figured it out this year, I don't agree with that. Go ask fantasy owners if it got figured out. Just go look at the top ten of the of your first round fantasy draft. Half of the players didn't play. They got hurt. I mean it was it was a bad year from an injury standpoint, So I don't think it was figured out. Yeah, Dave, you actually mentioned some of the other teams around the NFL.

My question for you guys, did the Cowboys just get it wrong where others, let's given example of Cleveland who had first time head coaches or first year head coaches found a way way to do it well. Or is it just too much of a disadvantage for new coaches if you didn't have an off season. Let's start with you Amber. I mean, it's not very easy when you're not able to have an off season, especially when you're trying to get so many new elements put together and

make it work as a whole. But I can only speak from the outside and listening to some of the things that I heard from the coaches and Mike McCarthy. I mean, I feel like they maybe got a little too overly confident in what they got. I mean, I don't really know what their whole assessment on things where. I mean, we talk about a lot of these free agency guys, free agent guys that didn't end up making

the team, and they ended up getting cut. So I think, like right off the bat, I don't think that they were really all aligned, so it didn't necessarily work in their advantage to be away. But then at the same time, and I'm here contradicting myself, it's like, at the same time, we have so much technology that there should not be such a bad communication between and like you should be able to communicate better and get things more right. And

you see other teams they made it work. So why couldn't the Cowboys have done a better job right off the bat? So I don't know, that's a tough question, but I think I guess it doesn't help you. But at the same time, it shouldn't have gone that way. They shouldn't not have had such a bad season. They should have done a better job in general, Dave, I mean I said this throughout the season. Of course, of course it's trying. Of course they're tough circumstances, and they

deserve a little bit of grace for that. But I mean, look around. I mean, the Cleveland Browns are one example, But how about you know, hey, check out the NFC East. The first year coach won the division with a lot of the same problems, Like how many quarterbacks did Ron Rivera have to use up in Washington this year? Four he had, I think he had his fourth quarterback playing in the playoffs, and they gave Tom Brady everything he could handle in a playoff game. So no, I'm not

trying to hear that. The Carolina Panthers had a worse record than the Cowboys and arguably played better football. They had a they had a better point differential. They took the Kansas City Chiefs to the brink. They took the Saints to the brink this season. They played tough against the Packers like they were in games against the NFL's elite throughout the season. I don't think you can say that about the Cowboys except for maybe that game against

the Steelers. Um. So yeah, I mean, it's a crappy circumstance and I sympathize, but it's not an excuse that I'm interested in hearing at all, nick Um, I just think that was kind of funny just to hear that Washington, Washington and the Panthers as the as the examples. I mean they they weren't good either. I mean, like it was just a bad year. I mean I think I think Cleveland. I think Cleveland had I mean their guy, their guy did a nice job. But I mean they were able to do what they want to do and

that and that's the that's the biggest thing. I mean, offseason or not. I mean the Cowboys. The Cowboys season went the way it did because they weren't able to do what they want to do. And what do you mean that they didn't. I mean they want to run the football and they want they want to run the football with a with an experience offensive line, and then they've got a quarterback that can that can throw throw it around, he's got all these weapons. Now, they weren't

able to do that, and that matters. You find out right now, if Patrick Mahomes isn't gonna play, are you going to pick the chiefs of the Bills, Because well, I mean but you don't have to. I mean, if he's not playing, you're probably not picking the Chiefs. That's that's my point is that, I mean, you lose your quarterback, it affects everything. So I don't know, I don't know how you can really grade how they did or not.

They lost three. That's not a good excuse, it's a great it's not You're right, it's not a good excuse. You're right. It's not a good excuse. It's not a good excuse. You're right. It's not an excuse. It's a fact. It's not an excuse. It is a fact. They lost the best thing that they did that they did. Who who else can do? Who else can you say that about? I mean Washington? Yeah, but is a bad team that may do without their quarterback? Yeah. But here's here's my point.

And Dave, I think I think the point that that that you just made with that is, let's say, for example, they lost two of those defensive linemen. Now what is Washington because that's what Nick sings, Nicks things, they lost the best of what they did. The best of what Washington did does is on defense, particular defensive line, not their quarterback. So losing their quarterback wasn't as big of a detriment for them as it would have been for

the Cowboys, Right, That's what I mean. You're right, that's what I'm saying. I mean, and you can argue the Saints. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the Saints are. I don't know. I don't know what they do is the best, I don't, you know. I mean, they their coach is outstanding. He really is an outstanding coach. There's no doubt about it. I mean, so they're a hard team to figure out to say, well, they lost, they lost a ton of injuries. He should be Coach

of the Year in my opinion. He won't win in Sean Payton, but he should be. But I'm just saying it's not I mean, it's not an excuse. It's just that's that's the way that that it is. So then it's hard. It's hard to gauge what this team really was. They played five games this year before dad got her. They lost three teams that all went to the playoffs, two of them won games. It's hard to gauge what

this team really would have would have been. I don't know. Yeah, and quite frankly, and I was just gonna say it just I'm not gonna say pisses me off. But it just bothers me when I hear that, because when you talk about quarterback, Yes, it's unfortunate, Okay, you gotta get over it. It happens in the NFL, and it's out of your control. But then it's how you react to

that challenge. What do you do from then? And we got to see down the line that the Cowboys they could have they are, they were capable of still moving the offense and having those guys, even with the online men that they lost, they were still able to piece it together and do some things in there. I mean, you talk about Andy Dalton, you had a great quarterback as a backup. He might not be a great starter

in the NFL in general, but he was. You probably had one of the best backups quarterbacks that you could have had. So it's like that. I just I just think that the problem there is that the Cowboys weren't able to adjust to the challenges that they were faced with. And one of those things is, for example, the tackle position that we all talked about right off the bat

at the beginning of the season. So little things like that that they could have done that we didn't get to see earlier on or in the middle of the season, but we had to wait all the way until the end. So that's where where That's how I look at it. Yes, it's sucked, you don't. You lost Dak Prescott. You weren't able to run the ball successfully with Ezekielitia. But at the same time, you had tools, You had tools that you could have used to gut in better, and you didn't.

You didn't know how to use those tools. What tools? I also can't. I can't. I'm sorry, sorry, go ahead, and now I just say what tool? I mean? What were the tools? The tools? As a backup quarterback, you were in a better position than most teams terback got you you haven't. I can't. Guys, do there? Go ahead, Dave, go ahead. No, I just well, I'm with you, ag because I can't help but be tickled by the irony that and I agree. The Cowboys lost the best thing

that they do. They lost Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott hasn't been paid in two years, like he's been eligible for two offseasons and doesn't have a deal. The Cowboys paid a running back, a receiver, and a linebacker before they paid him, So did they think he was the best

thing that they do. The stats are you know, the financial you know, the allocation of funds indicates not so with Andy Dalton being supposedly one of the best backup quarterbacks in the league, all this wide receiver talent, and obviously Ezekiel Elliott, he's been called the straw that stirs the drink. I mean, I think they should have been able to win this bad division with what they had even without Dak, and they didn't. They got swept in

lopsided fashion by Washington instead. And you know, that's that's kind of the point I was going to make because I think when it comes down to it, the way I'll look at it is I think the biggest problem for this team, and it was this was even happening when Dak was here, was the fact that they just the defense was given up, as Amber says, a crap ton of points, Like they were just giving up way too many points. And I don't think that necessarily was going to I mean, it was going to be exactly

the same. It was going to continue to be the same whether Dak was here or not here. And I think that would have been more of an achilles heal to them than losing Dad. I remember back during the offseason when they signed Andy Dalton, my first thought was, this protects them from the worst thing that most teams will face any season, which is the prospect of losing

your starting quarterback. Andy Dalton is good enough with whatever else they got on this team to give them a similar result, maybe not the same result, but a similar result to what Dad can give him. He could have won this division. I think the problem for me, and I've been saying this again all season, is it was more about the tackles, in my opinion, than it was even the quarterback, because the fact that you couldn't run

the ball effectively. If you would have had Andy Dalton and you had those two tackles out there, he just give me one of those tackles. With Andy Dalton, I think the team wins this division. I think that's way more of a problem than losing in and than losing Dak Prescott. Because the defense was going to be the defense. You were gonna have to run the ball, and you were gonna need a quarterback that could just steady everything, which is way I think Andy Dalton did right. That's

one point. That's the best thing that they do is that they they have an offensive line, and they have a quarterback, and they lost their three guys. I mean, nobody's talking about drafting the tackle in the in the top ten, are they. I wouldn't be against it if he's the best guy there who I'm saying, I wouldn't we're gonna draft. I would not be against it if he had, if he was the best player available at

that position at that point in the draft. I have no problems with doing that because I quite frankly, I don't see how you can look at this team and feel like, well, tackle spots are good like I don't. I don't feel like the tackle spots are good. I feel like coming off surgery, and for particularly for Tyring, this has been year after year after year with these injuries. You give me a tackle, I'll find a way to use him for now, and I certainly will find a

way to use him for later. I would say a tackle is probably the second most popular mock pick among the mock options, behind you know, Patrick Certan probably right now. Obviously that's going to change. But yeah, all right, well here's we're gonna do. We gonna take our first break, We come back from this break, we're gonna jump into a different conversations, talk a little bit about this NFC

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I think it was early last week or maybe even the week before that Duck Peterson, the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, was fired, and I'm interested to know what was your initial reaction when you first start of his firing. This is the guy that three years ago won a Super Bowl in Philly, their first super Bowl in the Super Bowl era, and then he's three years out, he's removed as the head coach. Dave, let's start with you, what would your first reaction when you heard? I thought

it was completely insane. Not only did he win the Super Bowl. I mean, they've made it to the playoffs three of the five years that he was the coach, and one of those years was his first year. So really twenty twenty was really the first time that you could say that he fell short of what the expectations were. On top of that, you know, this ain't this ain't like a franchise that is in the super Bowl all the time. It's the first ever super Bowl in Eagles history.

You know, he's gonna be in their Ring of Honor. They built a statue of him already. So to fire him after one season, I thought it was pretty crazy. And then I mean the more I thought about it, I was like, to me, I don't have any inside information into Philly, but it just makes me think that his relationship with Carson Wentz must be absolutely awful at

this point. And Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lury decided that salvaging the court, you know, getting rid of the head coach to salvage the quarterback, is easier than trying to offload one hundred and thirty million dollar quarterback. That's the only thing I can think of that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I don't have much to say it was pretty It did surprise me, but I mean, based on some of the things that I've read and heard, it's like to the point where, I mean, just like Dave

was saying, that relationship right there with Carson wentz. From what I heard, they were to the point where they weren't even speaking to each other. So it must have been pretty bad. I don't really know the situation, but and also don't know the mentality of the GM as far as his AI on that last game of the season and then just kind of doing that move of taking out the quarterback and just kind of mailt it in. However, the American saying goes with that whole thing. So at

the end of the day, I can care less. I really don't care what the Eagles do. I do care well. We're about to talk next when they start messing with our side and picking in and trying to get people from our team. That's a big problem, which we'll talk about in a little bit, right But as far as him and all that don't care whatever, do whatever they do, don't care, Nick, Yeah, I mean, if that's the answer, I mean, I'll take that answer too. I don't care either,

But for I have to answer it. I'm surprised, you know, the guy fell on the sword for you and then you go and do that. I mean, he embarrassed himself because of this. I mean, there was some kind of miscommunication going on. Why Why wasn't this talked about earlier?

And it gets to the end of the sea, end of the game, and then then you know he coach Peterson embarrassed it himself by making that move that obviously talking about changing out the Yes, that was an organizational move so they could get a better draft pick, the draft pick that he doesn't not even a part of. I mean, do you think do you think are you saying you think Jeffrey Lurie was not being truthful when he said that he didn't tell him to do that.

I don't know. I don't know. Again, I barely know what's going on with this team. I really, I really, do you give yourself You should give yourself a little more credited, But seriously, I don't though, we don't know all that what's going on this team. So with that team, I don't know. I thought it was kind of classless. But who's surprised, you know, seriously, who's surprised about that, So hey, it is, it is what it is. It's nice statue, though, I mean it's so awkward, But I

mean he will forever be in their history. I guess that's the point. He'll forever be in their history. And as we know with all these things, like they all have a way of working himselves out long term, and the guy will still be coming back when his career is done. He'll be coming back and waving at the crowd and saying thank you so much, and they'll love him forever. Like that's just the way it goes in sports. You break up to make up, right, all right. So

here's the question. Kellen Moore and Amber you mentioned this Kellen Moore interviewed for the Philadelphia head coaching job. Amber you was interesting the tweet you put out that you know, you took a little umbrage to them messing with our guys you put it. But here's my question. How long do you think Dallas gonna be able to hold on to Kelly Moore? Because he was a guy that was rumored for the head coaching job in Boise. He's now

had an interview as a head coach in Philadelphia. What we see around the league right now is there are a lot of teams out there that are opting for the young I would call him unproven head coaches, the guys that are this is their first opportunity, but they're the young, bright minds in the game, offense or defense. He seems to fit that mole. He's had this offense I think playing pretty well in the time that he's been the offensive coordinator. How long do you think Dallas

can hold on Amber. We'll start with you, Well, we first got to see what happens here with Philly and what kind of decision they make, and Kellen Moore makes clearly he's been a popular guy. He's getting the attention of many, many people around the NFL and even college football. But it's gonna be It's It's a tough one because as if I was in Kellen Moore's position, I would who doesn't want to get head coaching jobs? So yes, that is the next step that most people would head tours.

But you know, when I heard the news, and especially yesterday, I'm like, Okay, now he's going out there. If Kellen Moore accept this job, that is like a freaking stab in the bag. That is called treason in my books, that's a betrayal. That is a stab in the bag, is stabbing the heart, and I would be absolutely disappointed, even though obviously I understand and get it that is the next step, and you would want to do that, But it does you know, you know, God, you know me.

I like to read into things a little bit more, and it makes me feel that, Okay, if you take this job, does that mean that maybe you don't feel as confident with the team that the Cowboys currently have because we keep talking about how close they can become a contender to get to a super Bowl. So if you're over here, okay, maybe we can get to a super Bowl as an OC or maybe I just go to a crappy team that wears green and it's called the Eagles and become a head coach over there. So

what option? If it goes that way, I'm gonna feel a lot worse about our position and what we currently have as a team. Because if you really think that you have a great offense and you're just to step away from getting there, why would you want to leave? I mean, you would want to make a run to get to the super Bowl, so you get to be the head coach. Huh, because you get to be the

head coach, right, isn't that the answer? Like if he if he's offered the job and he takes it, he gets there's only thirty Brian brought you always say there's only thirty two of these positions in the world. Right, They're only thirty two head football coach positions in football in the world. And if you get an opportunity to take one of them, that's better than being an offensive coordinator. Sure, there's only thirty two of those, but the head coach

is a head coach. That's the reason why he goes. Right if he go absolutely absolutely no, And I agree, I agree absolutely one. But I'm just saying, like right now for this upcoming year, and like how you feel with the Cowboys currently and the players that you may have and all that stuff. I mean, people talk about all the time about wearing that ring, and you mentioned Brian brown Is he loves wearing his little Super Bowl ring and showing it off. So it seems that people

care a lot about the ring. So I don't know these you guys can keep answering and talking about this subject, but I don't like it. I hate it. I don't think that Kellen Moore will live out his whole contract here with the Cowboys, because if it's not with the Eagles, I'm pretty sure that another position and opportunity is gonna pop up in the near future and he might go for it. All right, Nick, I mean, the average offensive coordinator salaries about a million dollars. The average NFL head

coaching salaries about six point five million dollars. Right, So if you looked at for reasons of why you would want to do that, I mean, that would be one of them right there. I don't know. I mean, what am I missing here? I'm about him? I mean I don't know. I don't see the infatuation. No, I don't. I'm sorry. I think this offense, I don't think this offense functions really well. Since I think he has done

a really good job with this offense. And as we talked about, for them to buy the end of this season, the offense could have been like really really bad, it was not. The offense was still a decent offense. And that's without two tackles and a quarterback, Like I mean that that was your point is like without those guys, Like, how are they able to do anything, and they were

actually a functioning offense. I don't. I'll go back to last year then, I just I mean, the stats were great, but when they needed to go win games, they didn't. You know, when they need I mean the two games they lost the year ago, the Eagles and the Patriots, they even score touchdown. I mean, I just, I don't know. I think there's flaws in the offense. He's a young guy. He's gonna get better, but I just, I mean, I think Jerry's gonna sleep fine if he goes to another team.

Who's behind me? Here? The boss? Okay, the boss? Okay? Sorry, like what are they? Yeah? Well, what are you staring at it? Like? Okay, Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones Joy. Yeah. I mean I'm glad Nick said that first part, because I mean, yeah, if you offered to Quinn tupple my salary and let me call the shots, I'll go wherever you want me to go. I mean, that's I mean.

And there's only thirty two with these jobs in the world, and I think, you know, I honestly was happy to hear that Kellen's taking the interview, not because I want him to leave, but because I think that that's useful experience for anybody to have, and he's probably gonna want that in his back pocket. Do I think he will leave? No?

And Amber's point is exactly why, because you know, and you know, if Kellen Moore wasn't confident in himself or wasn't a good coach, and I think that he is, he would probably be like, holy crap, this might be my only chance to do this. I better go. I better take this NFL job, even though it's not ideal. But instead, Kellen Moore is smart and he's a good coach, and he can say maybe I should stick around here for another year and let Deck and these tackles come

back and add some more talent in the draft. And we were number one in overall offense when we had everybody healthy. We can do it again. And if we get this thing crankin for sixteen games, now that people already know who I am, I'm gonna have way better options next year, especially, you know, especially. I'm not saying they will, but hopefully if the Cowboys have some playoff success to go along with that, you know, top five offense playing in the playoffs, those are the guys that

get jobs. Look around at who's getting hired and who's getting interviews right now. So I think Kellen is smart enough and patient enough to see the long term picture, which is why I can't imagine him sticking around here for more than maybe two more seasons. And of course we would be remiss if we did not note the Jason Garrett parallel, which is to say, clearly the Joneses think highly of Kellen Moore. They paid him handsomely not

to take the Boise State job. They definitely, I don't think, want him to go to Philly, And if Mike McCarthy continues to struggle, maybe they'll be the ones that want to try. Think we got you would have. You would have to be crazy not to at least mention that. I'm saying it will happen. You would have to be crazy not to at least mention it. I'm just saying, no, I think history has away of repeating itself. It absolutely is a fair point, and I think that I agree

with you. I think the Jones family really likes him. I think I think they see value in him, and I think they see that same thing. The other teams around the league are starting to kind of their intendas are going up. This guy may be that next coach that could be you know that really thinks about the game maybe a little bit different. We all know if you watch college football and you watch the NFL, you know the NFL game is vast is quickly becoming the

college game. Like you can just see by the way offenses are being run by the guys that are coming from college into the pros, by some of the guys that are getting jobs in the pros, Like, you see it coming. And so when you look at that, then you can't help but look at Kellen Moore and say, like he is a product of that. He is, and he seems to be in the opportunity he's gotten so far, he seems to be doing quite well with them. So yeah, I could definitely see something like that, But I personally

don't think it's gonna get to that. I think personally, I think the Cowboys would be lucky if they keep him from more than one more year. I think with his pieces back, I think next year their offense is gonna be right back back there among the top of the league. And if their team overall can figure out how to have some team success, that just elevates the possibilities of what he could be. And I think he's going to be one of the hottest names out there

as far as hit coaching candidates next year. And because of that, I think it's gonna be very hard for the Cowboys to hold onto him for more than more than two years, for sure, but one year I think would even be a bit of a challenge. I think he's gonna start getting a lot of a lot of looks from teams. I really don't think he's gonna even get the opportunity for this job. I mean, I don't think I think they're gonna offer it to him. I don't. I think, not this job, the film, the Villa job.

I think that they're you know, they're interviewing everybody under the sun, and I think they're there. There's probably a little cat and mouse game going on with the fact that they were interviewing the Cowboys people. That's what I believe. But I don't think he's gonna get offered this job. But you're right, I mean, you do this again and have a better year and maybe getting the playoffs. Yeah, I mean he's gonna be out there. Probably he probably

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member benefits. Membership started just twenty dollars joined today at Dallas Cowboys dot Com Slash United Welcome Back. It is the final segment of the Break Life from the SWBC Morgan Studios at the Star. We're presented by Geico and we're talking about the NFC East and the thing that stands out to me most about this division, outside of the fact that they were really, really horrible this year, is the fact that it really You could make the argument that New York Giants have a clear picture of

who their quarterback is going to be. You could also make an argument maybe they shouldn't, but there is no other team in the NFC East that has a clear picture of who their quarterback will be beyond this year. That includes Dallas obviously, because we know the contract situation going on with Dak Prescott. My question for you guys is who has the best quarterback situation right now? You got the Cowboys dealing with Dak Prescott, who if they

franchise him this year. A lot of people feel like this isn't going to be his last year because he has the opportunity then to walk after after this year. You got Daniel Jones in New York. You got Carson Wentz and Jalen Hurtz in Philly, and then you've got Alex Smith and Kyle Allen or maybe some other player that they want to go out and get in Washington. Who has the best quarterback situation at this point, Let's

start with Nick. Let me clarifying this from whose perspective, from the head coach's perspective about how his quarterback Explain to me the difference, because I would think just in general, but if you if you have a nuance, well, I'm just I'm like the best. I don't know. I would say Washington because because they're not asked a lot of them, because they don't have to go win and win a bunch of games. They have to go and manage the

game and play well. And I think they'll draft somebody. Um, So maybe I'm not answering the question right because but I think it's a good way to look. Yeah, I just look, I think you don't need a quarterback. I don't think I don't think the quarterback position is now. If they get one, they draft one or they maybe they sign one of these veterans or something like that,

and then they add them to the team. Watch out, it's even gonna be scary or it's gonna be a problem, right yeah, right, so, um, you know, and they got a short window. I mean, they got to do it in two or three years because those those first round and second round picks, I mean, those guys, you can't sign them all, so they're gonna go away. So you got to you gotta do it, like right, you already gonna lose probably one of them this year, this offseason.

And Karragan's a free agent at this point, so I'm pretty sure Karragan's going somewhere else. Yeah, uh, Dave, I'm over here. I mean, New York is in the envious position of you know, they don't have to even worry about paying Daniel Jones until next year, and they can keep him under contract for three years, so at least they have, you know, that stability. But Daniel Jones isn't good. I'm ready to say that. Yeah, he's not a good player.

Maybe maybe he'll make some sort of crazy jump. You know, people were down on Josh Allen, but Josh Allen showed more before this season than Daniel Jones has. The guy averaged six and a half yards per attempt, eleven touchdowns and ten interceptions. Like, no, you should be showing more than that by your second season starting in the league.

If you're if you're legit, it's the Cowboys, because the Cowboys have the ability to retain the rights of arguably one of the five best quarterbacks in the league and definitely one of the ten best quarterbacks in the league, and nobody else can really say that in this division. Washington. I agree with y'all, Washington is a quarterback away from being really, really scary. But I'm not sure what the path is to getting that quarterback. And that's that's the

problem with winning the division. You're way out at nineteenth in the draft order. I mean for Jalen Hurts, Yeah, it's trade for wins, I guess. I mean, I'm not convinced Kayalen Hurts is going to get you a better return on your investment. Maybe if you want to trade for trade for Matt Stafford or something. Maybe I don't know.

But the point is is that you got to do a lot of work or spend a lot of resources to get a quarterback if you're Washington, and I know Dallas does too, but again, he is a known commodity in my eyes at least, so I think it's the Cowboys. What if Andy Dalton went there? That's an interesting one. I mean, you start looking around the league at quarterbacks that will be available. I think Andy Dalton is an interesting an interesting piece for a lot of teams around

the NFL. What about the kid they had and the playoffs. I don't know how to say his name, Heinick Taylor, Heineck. Now that you gotta see more than one game before I'm me too. I'd like to see more. But he was a I think it tends to be like that sometimes when it's your first time, nobody really has film on you. I didn't be interested to see what he is if he had to do that in week you know, that's what I'd want to see. But you're right, in that game he was fine. But you just said you

were ready to trade for jail and Hurts. I mean, isn't he kind of in the same boat? But exactly in the first week it was is not. It was like, you're like, he probably played a little bit better. But I think over the course of the games that he played, I think he still showed you some good things. I thought, if I'm feeling I feel like we're talking about the Eagles way too much. But if if I'm filling, I'm getting a coach that could come in here and fix

Carson Wentz. I think he's a good quarterback. I think he's fixable. Yes, okay, just like fifty four is fixable on the defensive stop it don't even go there. That's I think that's the same though. Sorry, I know she's about to make a point there, but my point is is that defensive coordinators got to come in here and he got to figure out how you want to If you're gonna keep Jalen Smith, you got to figure out how to use them. I think Phil is going to

have to figure out how to use Carson Wentz. Amber agreed, Um. I mean mine is pretty simple. I'd like to look at the next year, not really long term. I'd like to focus in the next season, in the present, in the now. So if we're specifically talking about next year, I do think that m Dallas is gonna the Cowboys are gonna end up signing Dak Whether it's a long term or just tagging him again. I think he's gonna

stay here in Dallas for at least another year. And when you look at these quarterbacks, I do believe that Dak is the best quarterback out of the bunch. Especially. I know we got a very small sample, but from what we got this past year, I was very impressed about his uprising, the way he had improved, and the way that he was playing. So I'm excited. I'm excited

to see what he can do this upcoming year. So I think that when you look at this next season specifically, Dallas does have the best quarterback situation because I think one way or another, Doc is going to be here. Yeah. I think if if Dallas is willing to pay the

price for Dak, then they're in the best situation. However, if you're looking at it from a GM's perspective, I don't know if I feel like Dallas is in the best situation because I really feel like Dallas has lost a lot of it's whatever advantages it may have had,

whatever leverage it may have had. I think right now the leverage is clearly on Dak's side in my opinion, just because I feel like he knows that the least worst case scenario, he's gonna make what upper thirties this year, and then after that he would be a free agent, and so there really is no downside for him either way. So he's not motivated to have to do a deal.

I think the Cowboys look at this now like our option is either we're gonna pay him or we're gonna go back to the well and try to find a quarterback. And I don't I think that's a very daunting We've talked about that since the beginning of the show. We've

been talking about how important the quarterback position is. Having to go back to the well is not something I would ever have an appetite for if I were an NFL GM, even if I had the top pick in the draft, I'm not willing to go back to the well if I got a guy I think is good, because you just that's a fifty fifty proposition no matter where you select him in the draft. And so I think from that standpoint, most of the leverages is with

dak at this point. I don't know that it's an enviable position to be where Dallas is from a GM perspective. All Right, we're gonna also keep in mind, Derek, I just real quick, and I was reminded of this because John Harbaud did his exit press conference and was talking about how confident he is that the Ravens are gonna lock up Lamar Jackson for the long term. Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and Josh Allen will all be eligible for

extensions this offseason. And that's just more contracts the Cowboys front office might have to compete with. So we've got Deshawn's deal was what forty million was forty and you had obviously my homes up there in fifty Like, that's

a whole different stratosphere. But you're right. If you start getting these other guys that are coming up and they start getting forty plus, that does it changes the negotiation a bit from Dak's standpoint, I would think, And now what was just two years ago, you know, thinking of whether you should do a thirty three, thirty four, thirty five million dollar deal has now turned into forty plus. It does it changes the It drastically changes how you

look at this negotiation. If you're Dak and if you're the Cowboys, well, and they also they need to need to learn from the Deshaun Watson situation. And I don't know exactly what's going on over there, but you know, it seems to me that he doesn't like the direction of the team of how it's going, which I think is ludicrous because they just paid you forty million dollars. Of course, it's going to be tough to figure out what you're doing with everything else because they paid you

forty million. So I think dak is I think if they do sign, that's a simplification of what's happening there. Based on the things I've read, well, it sounds more like his issue is not necessarily the direction as much as it is he was told he was led to believe that he would be a part of the decision making, and he was not a part of the decision making. So that's part of the decision making making the decision No, he being consulted in, and I think that was what

he was led to believe. Now again, that's what this is all reporting, so we may not know the truth. What the reporting says is he was led to believe by ownership that he would be consultant before decisions were made, and he was not. That's no different than you and I are talking about something going on here at work, and I tell you, hey, Nick, I'm gonna get your opinion before I do it, and then I just do

it and don't tell you about it. Like that probably pissed you off, right, you do you do that too, but I don't tell you I'm gonna consult you. That's the difference. Okay. My point of well, the Cowboys, we don't have to worry about that. The Cowboys aren't going to tell Dad that he's gonna be in the wouldn't then he doesn't need to be and they don't need

to They don't need to mess with that. But I just I think they need to figure this out that if you're gonna pay a guy forty million plus, you know, there needs to be some talk about about moving forward. So don't get upset when the wide receiver, when Michael Galla leaves and you don't sign this tackle and you have to play with the rookie and all this kind of stuff. I'll come back later and be like, lay, aren't y'all signing guys? Right? We know why? You know?

And there and there's not a coincidence when you look at Brady and Rogers two of the best quarterbacks to ever play, and they're playing against each other this weekend. They ranked thirteenth and fourteenth in the average salary in the NFL. My question is where were they ranked when they first did those deals, because we're not over time. Brady did it last year, right, Rady differ and Brady's in the twilight rights not due Right, That's the thing,

and that's why they're trying to chase championships here. But guessing when Roger signed his deal, he was close to the top. He was, Yeah, he was was at the time. Yeah. Yeah, So it changes, it does, it changes, It changes quickly. But but I just think that, you know, go ahead, finish. Yeah, yeah, then I was going to change subjects. Well, it's still

in the same topic. But since we're talking about quarterbacks and we've been talking about Dak, the most popular question that I've been receiving from fans is the whole question about his contract situation. And I think that there is a big expectation or there was an expectation based on all the things that we heard from like Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones making so much emphasis on how much they want Dad to stay here and all that throughout the season.

I think fans are surprised right now as to, Okay, the season's over, Why is there no movement? Why is there no news? Why havn't we heard something? Why is there not a contract done at this point? And I know we haven't heard anything new, but wanted to post that question, that question to you guys as to maybe why why is that that we haven't actually heard any movement happening right now? Well, I'll say this, just because we haven't heard doesn't mean that there may not be.

That doesn't mean that there is, But I don't think it necessarily means there hasn't been. We don't know what conversations have even been had before the official period where you can start talking. I mean, obviously Dak's been at home for a while now recovering from his injury. You know, there obviously could have been conversations between the Cowboys and

his representatives all along, and they could. I mean, some of the things we heard last year before that deadline was that they actually were talking the day of the deadline and there were some there was some movement, just not enough movement to get it done in the period of time that they had left, So look, here's a deal. There could be there could be movement, There could be differences of opinions at this point than where they were

last year. I just don't know that we know that, and I don't know that just not hearing anything means that nothing has happened or nothing has changed. I mean, was he just trying to be cute with the tweet about holding my crutches, because I mean that's funny, I get it, But are you really is he still on crutches, because I mean we're about six he was on crutches at that was about three weeks ago. Yeah, like walking

crutches or whatever. I mean, we're six to seven months away from him trying to run around from defensive linemen. I mean, we we got to rehab and all this kind of stuff. So I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I say all that thinking maybe maybe they're trying to just see how he fully recovers before they really even started negotiating. I don't know. I don't know. I was a little surprised if he's still on crutches

at this point. I thought, you know, he joked in that video we did have on him with Zeke remember he was Zeke was mocking him and he was like, I don't need these crutches, you know, but I wouldn't think you'd still be on them. So I don't know. I'm sure he's doing fine. Everyone everyone says he's doing fine. I think that's a good point. That's what I keep saying, is, you know, they gotta make sure he's got a clean

bill of health. And the I mean, maybe it's it's an answer people don't want to hear, but there's not really any urgency right now there. I mean, they can and likely will tag him, and that doesn't mean he has to play on it. It's just a placeholder that keeps him from hitting free agency. It's in my experience, and granted, you know, the Cowboys haven't done a ton of quarterback deals in the time that I've covered the team, but this isn't a team that gets things done super

duper ahead of time. They like to do stuff on deadline. They do. Even the DeMarcus Lawrence deal happened on the deadline of you know, when he needed to have that surgery. So they can tag him in March and they don't have to do anything with him until July. I don't know if they'll take it all the way to July. I keep saying, I think you got to have this deal in place. If you're gonna do it, you got

to have it in place before the draft. But that gives you all the way until April, and you know that's three or four more months that Dak can continue to recover and you can get a look at him and see how you feel about it. So trust me, I would love to have it done just so we don't have to talk about it. But I just don't

think there's any urgency right now. Yeah, when I talked about leverage a little earlier and all the leverage being on Dak's side, this is the one area where the Cowboys do have some leverage because there is some risk here that's built in for Dak. Let's assume, and I know Dak has supreme confidence, right but the fact of the matter is, if he comes back from this injury and he's not, for whatever reason, doesn't look like the

same guy. If he has shades of what we've seen with Wentz just a little bit, then that puts doubts in other team's minds. If he were to enter free agency and the amount of money he might be able to command right now. It may not be the amount of money he's able to command next year when he would be a free agent, and that might not be the amount of money at the Cowboys were willing to

pay him in a deal right now. So there is some leverage for the Cowboys, And I think that's a part of kind of DA having to figure out, like where do I think I'm really going to be and how successful do I think I can be coming off the surgery, as you said, Nick, knowing that I'm going to go right into a season coming off of rehab, not necessarily coming off of preparing for the season. I'm coming off for rehab, and those are two completely different things. Yeah, well, Dave.

Dave pointed out the fact that he could sign right now and be the number two rated quarterback or highest paid quarterback in the league. He could sign it right now and by the time he takes his first snap he could be fifth or sixth. Absolutely, So I mean it changes facts at a right. Here's we're gonna do real quick before we end the show. I do want to get some picks. Here's the NFC and AFC championship games. Are this weekend. You've got Buffalo at Kansas City, You've

got Tampa Bay at Green Bay. Uh, Nick, how are you going on these games? Super Bowl one, Green Bay and yeah? Yeah interesting? Yeah yeah, I take the home teams. I've been terrible in these picks. By the way, if you notice last week, you're you're half and half. I mean, yeah, I've been half and half every time. I'm terrible. And he guess what picking games is about a fifty percent cool thing. That's what I do. We're all at fifty. I mean, I mean, I think, I think and a

good thing. Mahomes didn't have a concussion. It doesn't sound like he had a concussion really, so I think he comes back. I think he plays. I think they're unstoppable in their coach as kahonas the other coaches don't have to me. He is the most underrated coach in NFL history. He's been so good when you look at his resume, what he did in Philadelphia. I know he never won the Super Bowl, but what he did in Philadelphia was

well that that's that is amazing. I know they're gonna make their picks, but I mean, there's only one coach has ever hosted the playoff, I mean the MC Championship three straight years and he's done it twice. YEA wow. Um, I'm with Nake on this one too, surprisingly but yes, the Chiefs and then Tampa. Good for you, you made it this far. An applause to you, Tom Brady, You're great. Good for you. But Aaron Rodgers, let's shine some light on him. I want to see him in Green Bay

in the super Bowl and see how that does. All right, Dave, You know, I feel like usually we're really lucky because I don't think you can go wrong this weekend. Like all four teams are you know, it's a great story. All four of them are fun to watch. I think the super Bowl would be good no matter which two

teams make it. Honestly, where like that's not usually the case, Like nobody wanted to see Tennessee in the super Bowl last year, or there's nobody like you know, there's there's all yeah, there's always there's usually a team that you're like, oh, not those guys. I don't want to see those guys. But I'd be happy to see any of the four. Um, but I do. I mean, who doesn't want to see

Mahomes versus Rodgers. Who doesn't I mean that's I don't like mahomes is He's incredible, and I you know, I know people hate me for thinking this, but Aaron Rodgers has become like one of my three or four favorite

football players ever. Like the throw he made the other day, Yeah, he was in his own end zone and freaking dodged like four guys and threw that ball on a rope like they're just there's like maybe two or three guys in the world who could make that throw ever, like not just right now, but ever, and two of them are Pat Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. So who wouldn't want to see those two guys play in the super Bowl? That would be that would be awesome. So I got Yeah,

I got Chiefs Packers. If the Bills make the Super Bowl in about a week and a half, we're gonna find out that the world's gonna realize. Wait, Cole Beasley raps. Maybe Oh it wasn't, because he put out that that single like last week, a week before, like right as they were in the playoffs. Yeah, it'll be like, yeah, that same love like when you went the Cowboys. You can put it out in week two, and everybody's gonna know it's a little different when you're in Buffalo, right Yeah.

But I will say this, and Dave, I agree with you. I think any one of these four teams will be interesting. There are tons of storylines with all four of them. If they were to make the Super Bowl. I actually think there's gonna be an upset this week. I actually think Buffalo is gonna be Kansas City. Um, I think Buffalo is gonna end up in the school. They have been playing some really good football and offensively. Talk about

a quarterback that can just do some amazing things. I know Pat Mahomes obviously can, and Aaron Rodgers obviously can. But what but what USh Allen is doing? Ushall am I getting done? I get all those Allens anyway, what Josh Allen is doing right now? And if you watch the way he plays, like literally the guy will just flick it his risk and the risk and the ball

will go fifty yards down the field. He is an amazing I think young quarterback in this league and the way they're playing right now, I just had that feeling, like you know, sometimes teams get on these roles and it's just kind of part of their story like they're gonna win. I just kind of think that's gonna happen this year. And I think that you're gonna end up seeing Buffalo and Green Bay and the super Bowl. And we'll get to that pick next night. You have to

know the quarterback's name if he's gonna beat Patrick. Okay, and you didn't know yet. The allans they all get used. There's so many alans like this. It gets me confused. Anyway, No, I don't want to see a home team. I don't want to see a home team. Yeah, he's playing. The thing about it is, if it were a knee, I'd be like, yeah, he's playing. It's it's a head injuries. And with head injuries then you know, you just it just that's not up to him. So we'll see. Anyway,

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