Cowboys Break: Dez Drama Returns

happening today. Joint h have David Hellman, of course, one of the best. Nick Hman, he's all right, and Derek over there. Yes, we thought we were going to have a Saturday off from shows, but we are here. Yesterday was a very um explosive. That's a good word. Day. We necessarily didn't necessarily focus on pract this or what was going on out here in the field, although the real practice starts today where they throw on the paths and we get to see some real football, or close

to as much as real is gonna get. But mister Desk Bryant just went off yesterday and I'm gonna kinda tell the story. We're gonna take a step by step and correct me if I'm wrong, because like it's a little bit, it's a hell of a story to try to I mean, concisely, I will say this. I thought Dave had the greatest tweet of Camp so far, and it just kind of set the tone of exactly what we were talking about earlier, about the passion. Who's gonna bring the passion? Yeah? Oh it's dead? Oh yeah? Yeah?

And wit and really if you earlier in the day, yes, well threw that out there early. The irony a lot like a lot of getting ahead of ourselves, like just just keep it. Okay, We're gonna recap it a little bit and we can comment on it as we go through it. And again, if I tell the story wrong, correct me. I don't want to do the same as this radio station. So point so let me know, let

me know. It all seemed from Stephen Jones doing a quick interview on Series XM NFL Radio and he was asked about, you know, the passing game and all that stuff, and Stephen Jones basically said, here's the quote, He's got to trust the system, speaking of dak which at times last year there was pressure with death in his ears and to some degree, Jason in his ear, those great players want the ball. So basically, you know, you have great players putting pressure on a young quarterback quarterback and

it affects the game. Now, this radio station basically took that and the way they tweeted it out was leaving Jason Witten's name out, pointing everything towards us Briant and the part about great players also leaving that part out, just saying Ellips ellips e lips wanting the ball, des Bryant wanting the ball. So now Death sees that, and we already know Death ted him and they made sure he saw that. Thirsty the thirsty scoundrels mad it does, is a vocal player, and he just kind of went off.

It was that little thing that just needed to be left. And I think maybe everything started obviously from miss worded thing where saw it this way, But at the same time, then that helped open up some issues that maybe we thought about it but never really heard it from anyone any player actually coming out and speaking about it. We've heard Das talk about Garrett's guys, which colude one of you please explain who those are and why that came

about the whole Garrett right, guys. Well, well, it's the thing that stems back to April, like literally what Within two weeks of Dez being released, he did an interview I believe it was with Jane Slater of NFL Network, UM, just where he basically intimated that the Garrett guys on the team played a role in his ouster. I mean, you know, I think you can probably tie those together

just thinking about him. He mentioned that they had season their chests, so that I mean exactly Jason, Shaun Lee, Travis Frederick was a former captain at one point, even Dak Prescott to a degree. But I mean, you know the guys that you probably think about when you think about Jason Garrett's off to repeated, right kind of guy's mantra h. Dez was a little bit more diplomatic about it in the spring, but yesterday he just decided to put it all out there. He mentioned Travis and Sean

by name. He actually called Shaun Lee a snake, which you know, I'm familiar with that if it's Taylor Swift we're talking about, but I didn't know that that applied

to football players too. Um. I mean, it was like it was just scorched earth and so, uh, I was talking about this yesterday, like this has been kind of a sniping campaign for a few months now, Like the Cowboys have intimated some things about Dez, not openly, and Dez has intimated some things about the Cowboys, and it just boiled over into outright hostility yesterday starting with Dez

for sure. But that's kind of what he was getting at, is that he is of the belief that players on the team contributed to him being released, and between what were you going to say? I mean, I was just gonna I mean the tweet from Serious Radio that that that's irrelevant to be at this point. I mean, they they did that, they sparked, it doesn't matter. It's I mean, it doesn't matter who through the first punch or whatever,

the fact of what happened afterwards. And he was saying, you know, all of these things that that he believes to be true. I mean that that's what the real issue is. Yeah, I mean it was it was unfortunate that it started that way, and it wasn't it shouldn't have probably even happened. But the real truth came out from from his standpoint, and I don't know, I just I just feel like you know, and it wasn't just

just Sean Lee. And it was also the play calling he talked about that, which I thought is the most ironic part of it all because from everything that I've ever heard since des Brian got here to the fact that his eight years is that he was hard to work with as a as a as a wide receiver because he couldn't always line up where they wanted him to be, so for him to say yeah, yeah and they couldn't, and he was basically saying the offense was

very vanilla, and from everything I've ever heard for eight years, it was that way, and he was one of the reasons why. So it was that was really ironic that he was calling out people for not, you know, being more imaginative, and he's kind of the reason why there. Yeah, I will say this though, Nick, I know I get your point when you say it's kind of irrelevant how

they got there. The reason I think that still is somewhat relevant is because to me, it's still kind of illustrates some of the challenges that you run into when you have a guy like Dez. Yes, Dez got baited and he got baited by bad information, right, but the fact of the matter is that that's a part of his personality too. He's not the kind of person that's going to be in a situation where something comes up and before and he's going to take time to really

digest what's happening before he responds. He's a volatile guy and he's going to jump right on it. And that's what he did yesterday. He jumped right on. He felt attacked and he attacked back. And I get it. I understand because he's probably this probably isn't the first time he's probably felt attacked by things that people in this organization have said since the time that he left. But the fact of the matter is it still does illustrate character traits in him that could be problematic for a

team that's thinking about right. All I'm saying is is that, like it's the biggest thing, is what I think what he said about Sean Lee, you know, and it just reminded me of when you're talking about the Auburn Hills an Alice at the Palace, you know, like, what do you remember that we'll run our test went into the stand of fought someone, but right, but something twelve things happened beforehand that no one really talks about at this point.

That doesn't matter is what happened here. That's what That's what I'm saying. You're you're absolutely I mean, and I agree with both of you. I get your point. I agree with Derek that me selfishly, it's relevant because it makes our jobs harder. Yeah, like more fun this, I've more fun, definitely, don't get me wrong. What's fun Yesterday was sun Selfishly, I kind of live for days like yesterday, but also like, as a journalist, it's annoying. This is

my personal opinion. I'll own it. You can't convince me that that was done on accident. Like, if you go, it's a deleted tweet, shocker, if you go look at the original tweet and the full context that Amber gave us in the full quote that you can't tell me that was an accident. The way they worded it, the fact that they tagged Dez Bryant, they were looking for something to pick up traction anyway, they doctored the quote

like they doctored the quote. I refused to believe it was an accident based on looking at him side by side. So for me, people already hate me as it is it's just one more reason for people to not want me around not you know, like I've got my phone all the time, and that's that's how you wind up getting looked at as like the media, sensational media by

fans and by players. I hate that crap because I'm like, I'm out here trying to do my job the right way and other people's mess ups contribute to people not liking me, which I mean that goes with the territory, but so just unfortunate all the way around, because I mean, if they'd done it the right way, I highly doubt as would have ever said anything, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But to nixt point, the toothpaste is out of the tube at this point, and there's not

a whole lot you can do about it. Now. I will say this about what does it mean? What does it mean for here? I actually, now that I think about it, I think that some of the questions we were asking yesterday about the leadership and who's going to step up, now things are happening where you're starting to see it. You're starting to see some definition of that. I mean, it's we knew Sean Lee was going to be the leader you know, of this team. But but

he he did it, he acted like it. He comes off the practice field yesterday, I have kent who's gonna play the Audio's gonna play it perfectly. I was just saying, if there was any question about who's gonna be our the leaders around here, Sean Lee took the ball and he ran with it. Oh yeah yeah. And did also call Shan Lee a backstabber just because of the fact that he sat right across from him and never actually said anything about, you know, any issues regarding to you know,

death having a problem. I don't know, but Stephen Jones came out and I think he spoke very well. He didn't say anything negative about death and kind of retiate it. How do you say the fact that, um, this is a great player and good players won the ball? Basically nothing negative. Then Travis Frederick responded back to that, saying he considers and a friend and it's sad that well when you see players or teammates turn on each other

and all that. Then Sean Lee came back with a very intense quote and statement, who I thought was very impressive and unexpected. I inspect him to say that way, but he looked right into the camera instead the following. You know, first thing, to say that I can get anybody off the team and having input on the roster is absurd. Second thing, I love Daz and I want

the best for him. Um, you know, to be honest, we did but hit because I wanted Das to be more accountable to this team and this teammates, and to be honest with you, a lot of the team felt that way. Um, I think he needs to look at himself and hold himself accountable. Thank you, thank you. There you have it. And funny how the words thank you

can found like thank you. But it's just like what that said about you know, he we've talked about the anthem stuff and he said, you know, and I believe what I believe, and that's you know, and that's that, you know, just just a little way to end it is kind of like it's just a little bit more emphatic thank you. Yeah. Reminds me of Less Miles saying have a great day way back in the day. He

didn't really mean have a great day anyway. Um. I think anybody listening to this show probably follows the Cowboys closely enough that they can put this together. But I can't say enough about what it means that Sean Lee said something like that. Um, I was telling y'all just before we went on the air, like he's I didn't think he was gonna talk. First of all, because he's a he's a he's a he's like Dez, he's a

passionate guy. I figured he would be so hot, he would just be like, get get the cameras out of my face. I'm not talking right now. But he came right of it was like, this is what I gotta say. So I run over there and I put my recorder in the crowd, and like, in the back of my mind, I'm like, Okay, here comes a bland statement from Sean Lee. Because Sean Lee is smart enough to be deliberately bland, and that was not what we got at all. I mean, he short circuited my brain because and I don't mean

this as any disrespect to Shawn Lee. I think the world of him, But he talks on Friday during the regular season. He's he's the go to Friday player, and fifty percent of the time I skip his press sessions because I just know no good quotes are going to come out of it. I'm just like, Sean is too smart and too deliberate to give me something that I need, So I'm just gonna go somewhere else. And that was

the opposite. And like I said, I can't say enough about what that means coming from him, Like Dez Bryant's the type of guy who says something like that, and see that's Sean Lee and and but it was it was so cool because it needed to be said. And like you said, I mean, if there's any doubt about who's the later on this team, because because now I mean and and Derek, I'm sure can attest to this.

When when you're the boss of a group and you kind of get attacked, you know, all your people are kind of looking at you a little bit like how's he going to react? You got one way to handle this or another. And before Jason Witten could have handled it certain way, or you know, maybe it's somebody else, but now it's Sean Lee. And so Sean's got to set the tone to all these other eighty nine players behind him and says, you know what, I'm this, this

is not gonna happen. You're not gonna be able to allow to say that, you know, and he said it in a great way. Hey, I love this and and and it'll when it blows over then everybody will still be cool about it. But but as for right now, yeah, we had problems. I thought it was great. I thought

it was it was great. Set the tone too for me Again, you know, I think if you listen to this show regularly, and if you follow the Cowboys really closely the way that I think most of our listeners do, I feel like this was kind of there for you to pick up on, you know, like if you really just between that. Like I said, this isn't the first time this has been addressed. It's been addressed a lot

more vaguely, but the clues are kind of there. I mean, like, like I've said, you know, people have hinted at like, well maybe it'll be better without voices in Dak's ear and and Dez has made his comments about Garrett guys, and so it was there to pick up on. And so now I think it just kind of spells it out a little bit more clearly that this was clearly a thing. And I agree with Sean that no, no players got the got the power to make personnel moves.

I loved Travis. What did Travis says, like, you know, you're being hard pressed if you're gonna have to search long and hard to find a fifth year player who's in charge of personnel decisions. But at the same time, these are weighty voices in the Cowboys organization. And and they again like, no, did they make that call? No, but there was certainly input. You're crazy if you don't

think that there's input coming from your veteran players. You're crazy if you don't think that there's input coming from your starting quarterback about making a decision like that. And that's not to say, you know, there was like this conspiracy to kick Daz off the team, but you know,

I brought this up yesterday talking with Rob Phillips. You know, um, at dinner we're talking about a guy who like in his eighth year, missed an MRI because he was worried about like what the like, he literally disappeared from the facility for two days because he was worried about what is MR. I might say, like, it's just you know, basically, what I'm trying to say is it's charming and Dez being Dez when you're catching sixteen touchdowns and winning for

thirteen games. It's a lot more of a pain to deal with in the vigors and the ups and downs of a mediocre season. And I think, you know, I think it probably wor thin across the organization a lot of because you have a wide receiver position that that was,

in my opinion, out of control. I mean, when when Dez is the leader, and he's the leader because he was the best player in that group for so many years, but when the leaders doing certain things, I mean, why would Terrence Williams do anything other than whether he's seeing right here? You know, I'm not going to call des

t o, but but we've said it before. When when when the greatest, you know player in a certain position is maybe undermining the overall message of what the team is, then it's hard for these what happens to Cole Beasley? What happens to Terrence Williams? We're in the you know position groups here Do I follow here? Or do I follow over here? And it's, like we've always said, it halts leadership a little bit. And like with Sean Lee,

I mean I think I know his character. He we all know how responsible he is, how dedicated to the game. He is how passionate and just so into the game, Like I seriously could not see Shanlee doing anything else but football. He's so concentrated about it and discipline. Now you get a guy like Dos who obviously passionate about it as well, but not necessarily caring as much as far as the responsibility of like showing on time, you know,

being there at certain times and doing certain things. And when you get to people like that at the same time, obviously you're gonna have a problem and it's not gonna work out as far as leadership. And we know when and how he was as well, just kind of staying out of trouble and all that. So my point is hearing shans lee answer was just so transparent and true to his care character, and it just gives you a real perspective of how it was backstage of the things

we were imagining. But the one thing I think you have to note about that is there still is some inaccuracy here on what really happened from that standpoint, because Dez basically made it appear as though, Hey, if he had a problem with me, he never came to me to talk to me about it. But at the same time, Sean says, yeah, we butt heads a lot because I wanted more of Dez. I wanted him to be more accountable to his teammates, and he wasn't. So there's obviously

they don't even see the same. They don't see their relationship and what happened I guess over the years the same, what happened last year as the same, because one thinks that they didn't have a lot of conversations, the other them feels like they had a lot of conversations, and but it heads quite a bit because they weren't seeing

things eyed eye, which I can totally. I can just see that disconnect clearly in my brain of like, you know, yeah, I have a hard time believing Sean Lee was afraid to tell anybody exactly how he felt, you know what I mean. But with Dez, maybe budding heads for five minutes doesn't register as like, you know what I mean, like him, It is just kind of like, yeah, I saw Sean. Yeah, we had a little bit like I

was late, okay, cool, we talked about whatever. Yeah, I just I don't know, I can see that clearly in my head. And like I said, personalities, I think it would be a mistake to think of like this. You know, the captains of the Dallas Cowboys did not walk into Jerry and Steven's office and say, we gotta get rid

of Dez. I don't buy that. I think it's I mean, it's it's collective conversations over the course of years, over the course of months of like you know, taught you know, like, well, what do you guys think, Like how does this affect the locker room dynamic? Like that, and you give your honest feedback and you make your decision from there. I one percent don't think that the decision makers of the organization decided to cut Dez strictly based on what their

players told them. That would be a terrible way to run a team. But it's, you know, to quote Jerry and Garrett, actually is it's all part of a puzzle. You know. Player input goes into the salary cap it goes into lining production, all that type of stuff, and you make your best decision from there. They parted ways with him, and that's pretty much where we stand now. And now you know, you have to make the determination

does he really want to play football? I mean, does I mean he's you can say that you do, but but you know you're on the radar for for another job. They're they're trying to figure out if they want, you know, Cleveland wants to figure out if they want to bring him in or not. And you go and do all that. Yeah,

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four zero zero. Let me throw in something real quick for you guys out there to one interact with the show live. We actually have it on our app. Now. If you go in there and you check out Cowboys Break, you'll see we have our fan pulse up. The question we have up is duty you believe more Sean Lee or does Bryant? I want to see I'm actually interested to see how fans are falling on this, because I saw a lot of stuff on Twitter yesterday. Some people were really hard like, hey, this is Dez is right,

Like what he's saying is accurate. Other people were like, I kind of think Sean's more accurate on this thing. So I want to hear kind of what fans think about that. I said this last night, and I mean, I believe it, like the truth is in the middle, like those people. Probably people can be a little bit right, Yeah, Dez can be right to be a little bit miffed if his teammates were talking behind his back. And Sean is one hundred percent right to truthfully say that Dez

is not the most accountable guy in the world. We've known that for forever. So there's nothing groundbreaking, no outside of what he said about the offense. So are we gonna be able to know who won? Yes? Right now, Sean Lee's up. But but yeah, yes, for now, we have Mike from Arizona on the phone. Hey, how are you guys doing? Hey, Hi, Hey, thanks for working on a Saturday. I'm hoping it right now in this heat and you're having you guys in my ear birds at least gets an now out for that man. So I

appreciate you guys working on a Saturday. Awesome, thank you, thank you so So, I guess the problem of the Earl Thomas situation is we're going to the wrong people. We should go for Sean Lee. Talk to shaw Lee to pick up m Earl Thomas because he's the one making all the personnel moves. You know what I'm saying, And it's it's such, it's such for for days and where he's at, you know, as fans, you know, to see that, and then the inner works we want to

see stuff stay in house. But somebody like Days, that's just passionate. It's gonna let that out. It's it's just sad the perception of here and hey, I love this too, but it's so go cowboys stays. Guys, all right, thank you for put Sean Lee in a room with John Schneider and we'll get Earl Thomas for a sixth round pick. Actually,

but then, you know, we laugh about that. But you know, people they say that, but it's really hard for anybody to kind of say we need this or we need that, because when it doesn't work out, then you're like, what's up, Xavier?

How are you doing? Man? Good luck? All right? You know it's hard for and I'm not saying that Sean does that, but it's hard for even Steven to go and say we're interested in any of that or really throw it out there, because when it doesn't go down, it's like when someone tries to interview for another job and they don't get it, and then they come back and I'm happy to be here, you know, like really which get linked in? I wasn't sure when I wanted to say this, but it's a perfect segue with what

Mike said. I want to be careful. Certainly, you can be critical of them. I don't want to do the easy thing that it's easy to do when a player leaves and just demonized Dez. I don't feel that way. Like my opinion of Dez Bryant is the same today as it always was, like that, I mean, that's Dez, That's the whole package of Dez. That's what he's always been.

It's awesome when he's catching sixteen touchdowns and the Cowboys are winning the division and and I completely to my soul believe Sean Lee and Travis Frederick when they say he's one of the best teammates I've ever had. Uh, he can be like he's he's such a supportive guy, like he loves those guys, like there's a a giving guy. And again, absolutely like loyal. I see him very loyal. He is not a bad person. He is an extremely flawed person. Um and again he's playing that for him.

I mean, that's a that's an interesting statement. I want you to explain. He's his own worst enemy. He always has been. I mean, you know, he he didn't play his final season of college football because of mistakes that he made. Yeah, he fell in the draft partially probably because of this. He's never been able to get out of his own way. His passion, his intensity takes over logic and common sense. A lot of times we've seen it. We saw it happen in Detroit in twenty thirteen. We

saw it happen with the missed MRI. Like there's six dozen other instances that I can't remember right now at the top of my head. It's just who he is. And yeah, it can be a distraction, it can be it can I'm sure it can take a toll on people in the locker room. Just constantly having that around. Clearly it did, or else he'd still be here, I think. But he's also the guy that went to Walmart and

bought PlayStations for people at midnight. He's also the guy, like I said, like he's extremely loyal, he's extremely loving and all that. Like, well, it's never black and white. That's what I always try to say. He's he's the same guy that he was. He reached a breaking point with the situation that clearly upset him and then it doesn't take a degree in rocket science to know that

it probably did, and so it's unfortunate. But I think it would be lazy and easy just to say like, oh, he's the worst, when I just don't think that's the case. Let's take another call Danny in Hawaii, Aloha, Hi, guys. We had this little comment on the des thing um, you know, like how David Helmet said was saying, you know, like it's you know, you gotta loved this passion all the time, you know how how much he loves the

game and stuff like that. But at the same time too is like you know, missing meetings, being late for meetings. You know, that's what Sean Lee is talking about. Being more accountable. You know, I did agree that it was frustrating sometimes the play calling. But that's the thing if you if you're in the meetings, you can voice your opinion, you know, get to play called, you know, like voice your frustrations that way and stuff like that. And we're

real quick. Um, I hope I want to see Blia Collins more and more because if if he's you know, he faced some big time pass rushers last year and first time out there, and you know, I want to see how much more better he gets with a full off season, another full off season at right tackle. Thank you so much, Allah, thank you, thank you. Nick. I'm gonna ask you a question. And you know, speaking we keep talking about this Brian and the way he was

during the season and in the locker room and all that. Now, when you get attacked on social media, and someone with the popularity that he has and you get all those tweets attacking you, it affects you. Whether you want it or not, it does affect you. And it doesn't matter who you are, it will affect you, right, And I'm sorry no. Jason Witton ironically wrote out a column yesterday and talked about how social media affects this whole dynamic. Can you expand on that? I I mean, no, I'm

not gonna spending on that. I don't really like the column. I didn't think it was it was a good column. Um, so because it's it's it's not saying anything. It's not I mean, I mean, I understand he's throwing certain guys out there, but you're not really saying anything. So you're like, you know, I get accused all the time of like kind of beating around the bush, and let me say it. If you're gonna say it, say it. And so I don't.

I mean, I think I think ESPN wanted him to write a column and he kind of did, and he danced around stuff and you can kind of say, well, maybe he's talking about this guy or this guy, but but not really. I mean, it was ironic that it all happened on kind of one day like that about basically saying, hey, this guy, you know, you need to stay off Twitter, and then the guy can't can't stay off Twitter. So, um, you know, Dez could never be a defensive end because he would jump offsides all the time.

I mean, he you can just you can just bait him and then he jumps off sides and that's what he did yesterday and he kind of took it to another level. So but but he's everything. I was gonna say this earlier. He is absolutely everything that the Scouting Report in two thousand and ten and said that he would be. He's everything he's I mean, he was gonna he's gonna be late for meetings, he's gonna be the most passionate player. He's gonna be the most talented player.

He's gonna he's gonna catch all these touchdowns. He's gonna have some off the field issues, he's gonna be all of these things. And the thing is is that you put up with all of it when he's doing all these things. But when his skills start to diminish a little bit and all of those things still happen, and then he's frustrated too because he's not the same guy that he was and he knows that. And now he's getting called out by Josh Norman because these guys are like, oh,

I got big bad days, Like ain't that good? Not anymore? He's not like he was. And then I think then it's and then he got a real problem because now do you still put up with it because he's not necessarily the same. So I agree with everything that you said, David. It's just that he just gets to a point where it's like, now you know, now you're dealing with this and the production is not really matching it. You'll put

up with it if you're getting sixteen fittingly. This goes back to the conversations we had right here on these tennis courts last summer with Zeke, which is the off beaten into the ground phrase, right kind of guy? What is right kind of guy? Line? One good football player? Like, if you're a great football player, you're the right kind of guy. And if you're not a great football player, then you need to be accountable and go to meet

and don't get in trouble. If you're catching again for the third time on the show, if you're catching sixteen touchdowns, you can miss meetings and do all that type of stuff. It's when you're not doing that anymore that the rest of that comes into play. If you're not great and you're not accountable and you're not all that stuff, it wears thin out there. And that's I mean, you saw it happen and we spend the whole well part of the off season speaking about you know, oh, where's gun?

Does Brian gonna end up? What? You know, what team is he gonna go to? And we've heard reports about the Browns trying to acquire him. I don't know how much I would be interested to see where it goes

from here with him. I mean, man, I'm not gonna rule that he could still get signed after all of this, but he based I mean, in case anyone forgot, he gave the whole league a crash course in what he brings to the table, like the whole thing, you know, Because here's the thing I think that that can scare teams at this point is every team, I don't care who they are, every single team, throughout the course of a training camp and a regular season and postseason, if

you're there, is going to have moments in that season, in that year when things will happen in the locker room that don't necessarily get reported that aren't good for team chemistry if they get reported right. They need to be able to and I'm talking about the executives of an organization, they need to be able to trust that all the people have access to that locker room are at least smart enough and have enough discretion to know

not to say those things in public. What does show the league yesterday is hey, if things are going good, I'll keep the secrets. If they're not, and if I feel scorned, then maybe I won't. And maybe the thing things that we kind of talked about in our locker room or that players talked about amongst themselves now will become public because I will make them public. That's where I think this whole thing can become a problem for Dez.

You've got the Browns talking about they're sniffing around. I wonder if now that makes them, that gives them pause. You certainly think about teams that he's mentioned that he wants to go to, like let's say the Giants. I'm sure they're looking at it like if they were even contemplating the possibility. I'm sure they look at him like we got enough of those kind of players on our team. Do we want another one that could possibly add even

more drama to the mix. I just think all in des didn't do himself in he favors and that's just the nature of people. Like whenever we as people take those opportunities to go off as people say, it's never gonna come back good to you. It makes you feel good in a moment, but it's never gonna come back good. But I think what's being lost there is is we're talking about all the off the field stuff like that. But for Dez Brian to be I mean, to be good, he needs to be paired up with the right people,

the right quarterback, the right system. I think he was crazy for not taking any kind of deal to go to Baltimore. I thought that was a perfect setup for him because that he could still be one of the top receivers, if not the number one. You're dealing with a quarterback. You can say what you want about Joe Flacco, but he's been around the league, he's won a Super Bowl, and yeah, he throws it deep deep balls. I mean, you know, no, he's not the best in the league,

but it's certainly not the worst. And he knows the system and he could be in there for long. Now. You're gonna go to Cleveland when they've got a quarterback now that they really want to replace, and they're gonna wait for Baker to replace them, and who knows when that'll be in first game, second game, whatever, you know, the first sign of trouble, they're gonna be like Baker.

You know, it's why they drafted him. And so why go into a system where now you got to learn it on the run like that, and you're dealing with a group with those those wide receivers. You know that they've they've kind of been in the headlines for other reasons as well. So I say they got I mean, they got enough to worry about with their receivers. And you know who wants it, you know who you know who wants it more than anybody hbo Oh yeah, hard knocks.

There's no doubt about There's no doubt about it. Now, at the end of the day, if a team loses their wide receiver during let's say whatever weight three, who's gonna get a call? Brian? Well, absolutely if you're still

out there, all bets are off once tendons start getting torn. Yeah, I think, yeah, I agree with that, But that's also to me, that's also the problem for Dez is you just finished talking about at the beginning of the show that Dez in his career here has not been the most reliable when it comes to really being able to grasp and understand his role on every single play and being able to move him around as a result of that. Right, So you now take him into a team where he's

got a brand new system to learn. He hasn't been there during during offseason training, he hasn't been there during training camp, and now he's expected to pick up an offense and be able to function in it in a short period of time. I think that's not doing Deaz again. That's not doing Dez doing favors with him being successful for again for a one year deal, which is what he's pushing for to then be able to hopefully get him a better deal next Ryan. Right, let's take our

final call Jos Joseph from California. Hello, Hey, what's up man? How are you guys doing great? First off, I've been as j Bryan fan. I followed him since it's current Oklahoma State in two thousand and seven, two thousand and nine and just out of college. He was a beast. He never worked on his route running and that was clear as day a few years back when Generals Jenkins was shutting him down when they played against the Rams, and then his body started breaking down. But he just

always wanted to fly. His physical attributes instead of taking the time in the office. He's even with the romo. If the ball wasn't a perfectly like a perfect route, she was always off like he dropped the ball. He's a guy that has to go get the ball instead of the ball being placed perfectly to him, and I

think that's what mass him. I've seen the series All and Nothing three or four times, and the one thing that stands out is when doing the wide receiver meeting and they're talking about the Denver game an the entire time, he glows up on the wide receiver coach when they're talking about the best bbs. But he's saying, you can take out Talib and take out the other dude of Brandon Rogue, I think it was. And he just couldn't

get shut down. He's all talk now and it hurts to see such a great guy go down like that. But he used to work on his attribute as well as his rout running. All right, thanks for the calls, And that's the thing I mean he was And I tweeted this several times during games, and it would be every time my Deaz would do it, and you know you had a phrase for it. When he would make this some unbelievable player. You basically said Dez being Deaz or doing Dez things. And I would always say, I'm

just better than you. I'm just better, Like in that Saints game a few years ago when he just kept catching these long touchdowns and he's like, I'm just better than you. He really, I didn't haven't tweeted that in a while, you know, just because those skills, I mean, he just doesn't have it anymore. He didn't have to do great chrisp route running because he can just out athlete somebody else. But he wasn't better than to keep to leave and Chris Harris on the other side, those

guys were better. There's a lot of corners now that are better. But here's the interesting part. He still thinks that, and that's the problem. And that was what when I first saw that, that whole segment on All or Nothing, I was like, to me, that's the microcosm of why he's no longer with the Cowboys, because in that room, when the coach is trying to say, hey, receiver group, these guys are really really good and they can embarrass

you if you don't play your best game. What he did was basically short circuit that whole thing and say, huh, we're good too. And what happened that week? They got embarrassed, like we have not seen this team get embarrassed like that in the Jason Garrett era, Jason Garrett era in my opinion, like they just got completely destroyed and there was no competition, like from the beginning of the game to the end of the game, they just weren't competitive.

And so all that being helped too. And so with all that being said, I think that is kind of the that to me just kind of sums up why DES's stay here was just it just couldn't continue because he's now affecting everybody else that room with his bravido that he just can't I don't think he could back it up the same way he wants could. I got a pretty big kick out of Derek Dooley. It's like, what do you want? What would you like me to say this? How would you like me to present this information?

Trying very hard to find a way. Oh man. I think that also has to do with it the whole coaching part of it as well, because if you don't have a teacher, let's say, coach that you respect to a level, or if you, as a coach allowed certain things to happen, then that player is gonna end up moving you around, doing with you whatever you want, and you're gonna you're just not gonna do what they say. I used to this has nothing to do but to

apply to this. I had a personal trainer and the guy was massive and all that, but then he became a talker and then I'm like, okay, I stopped listening to him, Like, you know, like I just did whatever I wanted and it wasn't effective anymore. So you need someone that can put you down and make you do what you need to do, and someone who you respect as well. Yeah, So you are you saying that you don't think And this is a question for all you guys.

Do you think that by the end of last year, Derek Dooley no longer control that room from the standpoint that what he said what he said had more weight than what Dez said in that room. I don't think of it as like, well, I mean like Dez leading some kind of mutiny in the receiver room. No, I'm not saying that either, but I mean it's pretty just from watching that stuff, it's pretty obvious that at the

it sounded like white noise, you know what. It's just it's not getting through, like not that they're just like man, screw dully, like not like that, but just kind of like, yeah, okay, we got this meeting. Cool, you're talking cool, there's some tape all right? We done like that type of thing, you know what I mean. And it affects the other guys in the room trying to listen to what Duley's saying. So it's just it's very distracting from from what we saw him there. Do you think do you think that

Dez and Duley ever hung out after work? I have no idea. I can't speak to that question. Do you think that they didn't? I don't know. Maybe they were at the club, I don't know. Do you think that Beasley and Terrence and Daz all, Yes, they all hung out. We know that got we got to see We got to see some pretty cool stuff on that show. But I have reliable information from people out there like we didn't see the half of it, you know. Oh no, yeah, like there's way more didn't make it into the show.

That would have been fun to watch, right and stuff. That's the way that's very telling again of the reason why it does isn't here. I'm glad that this happened yesterday when there really hasn't been any practices or anything going on, because if it would have happened like following a day where there's a lot a lot of stuff going on, I kind of feel bad about doing this show. And we're not really talking about what's going on here, but there really isn't now today it's about to crank

out yea perfectly time. It's a Lucky White hit thing from last year right right before you get going. It's it's kind of let the hat. The news that's off the field kind of happened, and you deal with that, and then let's get to the real football. So let's take our final break, and when we come back, we're gonna talk some football and just kind of review what we're gonna watch today and some of the things that

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that stood out to you? One of them I wanted to touch actually on Byron Jones and we talked about during the whole offseason how him moving to corner and that whole switch, how that was going to translate onto the field. So far, while you've seen at this point, have you liked the position move? No, I haven't seen anything. Honestly, I'm I have not seeing him do really anything that makes me one way or another. I think we'll find

out stuff today. It's gonna be kind of tricky with him in the cornerbacks because the wide receiver positions one that's got so many question marks as well. So we're gonna have to see in preseason games because if these guys just dominate those three corners, just dominate, then everyone's gonna say receivers suck. You know, and if the receivers, if these receivers go out and do well, they're like man the corners. So that's kind of the nature of practice.

And these two positions with so many question marks going against each other, it's gonna be kind of weird to see how it kind of shakes out. Yeah. I don't want to overreact either way. But I mean, you know, we're in the business of entertainment. You want to entertain the listeners. But like, these two unpadded practices were boring a f like they just were honestly even you know, news like the Falcons I really did. I don't think

they made it to the playoffs. I mean, like, actually, whatever, if I had to pick the Super Bowl champion right now, I'd probably pick the Falcons. Yeah. I was like that their roster yourselves, like, they get that loaded, but nine you mightn't know. They look good. Yeah, they got two running backs, four receivers. On the quarter we made we made a new high. That there anymore? Where they let him go after a six that game? Where is he? I don't remember. Is he on the schedule? Number one?

An I don't remember. Maybe Kansas City, I don't remember. I'll tell you what, I'll take my chances if he's on the schedule. On the schedule, I just hope he's not on the preseason. Yes, yes, right, yeah, as long as he's not having to face Jazz. I feel pretty good about that. We made a new We made a new hire back in the spring, our new social media coordinator, Dana Burns. The Beast is what I'm going to start making a lot of great content. Burns all are following

the social channels. But so she's over with me on the sideline yesterday during practice kind of She's like, so, is this what it's always like? Like? Is this practice? And like basically, I mean she was trying to be nice and diplomatic, and I was like, oh, Dana, no, like this is a walkthrough. Like even even the stuff that was full team like it's jog paced, no coverage, no hitting, obvious. I was just like, this is crapped, Like this is very boring and real practices are about

to start and it's gonna get way better. And she basically was like, oh thank god. She's like I thought we were gonna be watching this for the next month. And I was like no, no, no, no no, no, all what you have to throw out is that she comes from college, like she was covering North Carolina, and in college, college practices are like they're they're hitting. Yeah, they're going at it. It's a lot different than the NFL. But

but yeah, it's gonna be a lot better than. One of the things we can talk about a little bit is where certain guys lined up. And one of the combinations I noticed was Cole Beasley and table In Austin both lined up down the field and not in the slot. And Tabor and Austin, I mean, he's freaking fast and he's size. I mean at times he would get lost. I'm like, where is he? Oh? There, he is touched them.

That's exactly what That's what the defense is. That's what they want, you know, those two little guys running around. And thankfully he looks like a wide receiver. There's no question of where he is and what he's gonna do. He's not gonna be right. Could now define him as he's a wide receiver. He was going to get touches behind the line of skirmish. I don't know why that works. I'm sure the NFL probably weighed in on this and said, all right, you're listing him as a wide receiver. What

number is he moving to? Thirty four, thirty seven? What number? No, he's staying at ten. Well, then he's a receiver. Okay, sorry, thank you. I will say though, and you're absolutely right, he's been going down the field a lot more than I would have thought. He's also, I mean, they've been given him reverses and jet sweeps and Scotland hands already taught. Like, I'm so torn because I know what Tavon Austin's career has been like to this point. I know, I mean,

Sean McVay is a hell of an offensive coach. It looks like he couldn't really find but he was last year. Let's about my point being, it is fair to say he has not been this dynamic, all inclusive back to this point in his career. It's also fair to say I'm pretty excited about what this could all mean for him if he stays healthy and he gets the touches

that it looks like they're trying to give him. I really between returner, you know, reverses and jet sweeps and things like that, and then touches in the passing game, like it doesn't sound like a stretch for me to think that he could get ten to fifteen touches per game and really make a difference. No, I don't think he's going to be a pro bowler, but you add up all the yards that come with those types of touches. I'm excited, and I, you know, famous last words. We'll

see what it looks like. Maybe I'll feel stupid in December, but I'm excited about what he might be able to do. He can make such an impact in Deonte Thompson can be the same way. He can make such an impact without even touching the ball, without even really the ball getting thrown to him. Because I promise you if you line him up and he just runs right past the corner and right past the safety and they're like whoa, what was that? Okay, and then it was just a

four yard run to Zeke. But the next time that he lines up there, you're starting to think about it a little bit, and you can have an impact without even you know, not only if he lines up in the slot and sprints across the formation right before the snap. If there's nine guys in the box, maybe it's still going to Zeke, but somebody's gonna have to second guess what's going on. We made fun of the Lucky Whitehead jet sweep like it was a joke, but it worked,

like he averaged nine yards for carry on. Those runs did work. And just think but Lucky never, except for one play against me, never went vertical. If you got to show that threat, you can, and that was really a trick play because he lined up in the backfield. But tell him the dancer, he would always dance around and not really go anywhere. Yeah, I mean, he was just an east west guy all the time. If you can mix in some north south, I mean, now you're all over the place, I think. I mean the only

time is only time. Time will tell if it's gonna work. But it has the potential to be really nice. I mean, and again we're not not talking Pro Bowl numbers, but like three hundred rushing yards, three to five hundred receiving yards. I mean when you when you consider that he's probably your fourth option or whatever, I mean, that's big. That could be really big. Yeah, And I also like it

down in the red zone. I think the way this team is built, if you've got Zeke that you you can pound having him coming around and teams just having to respect the fact that if he lines up, let's say he just lines up in the slot and he just comes around in the red zone, Now you have to that linebacker has to at least give credence to the fact that he could get the ball and he could be sprinting around the outside. That opens up some

other opportunities up the middle. So I just think all those and then you got Dak obviously that can run as well. So between those three, running the ball in the red zone now creates this whole different set of parameters. Well, you talk about Rico, throw it up to Rico. I'll get a big fellow. I think Rico me that time. Okay, another thing I noticed real quick. You know how we we heard and saw Dak during the offseason practicing with some of the wide receivers throwing the ball. I think

that really has been it was worth it. It's been noticeable as far as the things I've been watching compared to the other years. We see that not being a great passer during practice and now, in correct me if I'm wrong. I mean his passes look pretty good and he's throwing it where he needs to go, and we see some of those uh down the field passes very well, so people asking Dak's improvement, I think we'll find out. We'll find out a lot today, in the next couple

the next couple of days. I'm not ready to speak definitively on that because I am right now. I am. I have no doubt if if I had to right now pick a player and not a player that's already been great like Tying obviously, if I had to pick a player that had a subpar year last year, that I feel totally confident in the fact that he is going to be really, really good this year, it would be Dak. And the reason why I say that is

because I'm looking at the history of this player. You think about how he played at Mississippi State, and I think even though his numbers and we've heard his college coach and other people that evaluated him say this, his numbers may not have been as good the later he got in his career, but he was a better player. He was a better quarterback since he deal with the Cowboys. I don't think personally, I don't think last year was necessarily about him playing as poorly as a lot of

people think. I think there was some moments. He was probably not as good as he should have been, but I do think that there were some areas where I felt like he was a little bit better than he was the year before. I think this year, he's coming into the year with the expectation, Look, I'm going out I'm running the offense. Where the offense says the ball should go is where I'm gonna get it. I'm going to deliver it on time, and I'm gonna expect the

guy to make the catch. I think he's gonna be really, really good. I completely agree with you, but I think those are two different conversations. I think Dack's gonna bounce back in a big way. I won't be surprised if he's in the Pro Bowl. But that's gonna be playing his game right, leaving the offense, getting Zeke the ball, being a leader, minimizing the mistakes. That's all great. That's

what made him great year one. I'm not ready to believe that he's gonna come out here and just be put it on a rope, like, just be the most. You know, Drew Brees completing seventy two percent of his passes, I don't know that that's his game I haven't said that was well, that was his game in year one. As far as accuracy, like he was hitting a large clip. He was a sixty three percent passer, which is good. It's good. Yeah, I mean I'm a little higher than that.

It couldn't have been any higher than sixty three or sixty four. I would look at that. We can talk about that, but again, Drew Brees literally completed seventy two percent of his pass like the ball goes wherever he wants it to. And I don't think that's Dak's game yet. That's also yeah, but that was also Drew Brees that we're also talking about Drew Brees. Now I'm not talking about Drew Brees. The point is, yeah, but I gotta see it to believe that he has made that step.

I think he's a good quarterback. I don't know that he's the guy that the ball goes wherever he wants it to. Maybe he will be. I gotta see it. But I guess that's the point that I'm making about what he's been so far, how he improves the kind of player he is to where I think he will. He will be the kind of guy that will progressively get better and better and better. I keep licking in his career. To Russell Wilson, I think it's not the time yet where they're ready to throw it all on him.

He still has the running game. That's the best thing that they do is right, So continue to do that. But I think he's gonna have moments this year when we're gonna see that progression and it's gonna keep going that way so that they got your five pound. Maybe they do the super Bowl and give him a boatload of money and then get rid of all the talent around him and say and then you go do it by yourself. Right, Well, we're gonna start that evaluation today,

today's practice, and where you gonna finish this show. But before we go, Derek Bubble was the final answer on that pole. Final answer on the pole. We had Sean Lee with sixty nine percent of the vote. People believe him more in this instance than Dez Bryant at thirty one percent. Doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, to be fair, I agree by like fans are gonna side with the guy that's on the team. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Their loyalty is to the cloth, it is not to

the player. Every side has the truth to it, so anyways, thank you so much for tuning in Cowboys Break. This was Derek Yigleton, Niki Man, David Hellman, Amburgarciaya, See you guys next time on Dallas Cowboys dot on radio or whatever it is, because this has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club