Cowboys Break: Contract Talk; Coaches Confirmed

season thirteen, episode number one h three. Welcome to another edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the start, joined by Nick Eatman and David Hellman. Amber Garcia is not with us today. She is out vacationing on the Beautiful Eye on the island of the Dominican Republic. We'll be back with us hopefully next week, actually the week after that, because next week, Dave, we'll be out at the Combine and we'll be doing draft

shows all week. Next week, last week of the year. Yeah, So we'll be back on the air after this show. We're back on the air in two weeks to talk some more Cowboys footbast The best week of the year for you, just or just in football, not every year. I say, like, there's a lot of ways you delimit that, and I still don't think it's true in any of them. I it's usually five degrees and you get to watch people in their underwear. It's true. It's just it's maybe

he likes it. It's the whole. It's Tommy John. It's maybe, well, I'll have the Tommy John. I can't speak for the players. They'll probably be wearing something else. It's the whole, the whole kitten kaboodle. Like everybody in the league is there, and like the power brokers are there, and people are having meetings and doing stuff that's going to shape the league and all, like everybody in the media is there. So you get to see friends that you don't see

that often. Maybe you get to go out and get dreat dinner or drinks with people you don't see that often. And obviously you get to you know, talk to and look at this incoming crop of draft guys, which if you're into the draft, that's really exciting. And the Joneses are gonna tell us some stuff about what's going on

with the team. So it's just I mean sure, short of actually playing games, it's probably the most fun thing that happens on the Cowboys speed Any chance you can find me a social media person while you're out there, everybody around the leagues there, based on the way the last twenty four hours have gone, I bet you I'll get asked probably bring me twenty I'll be asked about it a couple dozen times. If I had to guess, it's maybe like the hottest job we've ever listed. It's unbelievable.

I swear everybody in our office has brought me at least one person. It's well, you just opened it up. Well when I put it out on Twitter, I got plenty of responses there break listeners tweet at Derek Eagleton. I mean, are looking for a social media coordinators. It's one of the few jobs that like everybody in the world already does or thinks they can do. Well no, no, but they coordinate their own social media. Yeah, but that's

a that's a loosely used term. It coordinates. But I'm just saying I've got Twitter, I've got Facebook, I can do this, right. That's what they think, no doubt. That's when they think. Derek puts their applications on the floor immediately. I don't do it that that abruptly, not that harshly. Okay, but all right, so let's get it. Let's get to it. We got a lot of things I want to talk about today. I want to, at some point talk a little bit about this franchise tag that the Cowboys are

expected to use on DeMarcus Lawrence. Let's talk little. We're gonna talk a little bit about what that will mean for the team and how it may affect free agency. I want to talk about one particular player that has already been tagged that and how that could or could not affect the Cowboys. I want to talk a little

bit about Combine. Actually, Dave, we're gonna give you an opportunity to give us some names for those of us who are not the draft nuts that have been listening to the Draft show every show, some names of people maybe we can follow at the combine next we can keep an eye on. But before we do that, Nick, I know, there was a little bit of a news report that we're kind of expecting to come out here

over the next couple of days. It seems like there's nothing official at this point, but it seems like there are The Cowboys have kind of in putting the pieces together that they've gotten no point where they kind of have their coaching staff ready. We would expect that in the next few days or maybe an announcement on that. What do we know at this point? I expect it somewhere today between two and five is where I when

I expect that tell people why. I mean, like, well, we have a company event that for our group to we're all going to be somewhere between two and five. And typically when that happens is a good times gets broken. So it's not really breaking news because most of the positions on the coaching staff that we've been talking about,

we've already kind of loosely reported. For the Cowboys for some reason, have decided to lump all these in together for coaching even though they're here, they're they're wearing the Blue Star, they're eating, so they're kind of already on staff. But but what we'll get all of the entire coaching moves, and some of them are guys that are moving around.

So just to kind of highlight that in case you've been keeping up with the little bits of the new hires include offensive line coach Paul Alexander has been with the Bengals for many many years. Um, Sanjay Lal is the wide receivers coach. Ye, the new receivers coach, Been Bloom is moving from UM just I guess special projects to he'll be the linebacker coach, replacing Madiberflus was in Indianapolis. Still Uh. Um Keith O'Quinn is the actually new special

teams UH coordinator, replacing Rich Bisaccia. And then um those are oh also and probably the biggest news sorry, the biggest name is Chris Richard is the UM secondary coach. And in my opinion, I think that the new Eberflus on this staff of the guy that could move his way into a coordinator's position he had in Seattle, and Seattle's defense was really good obviously, and the secondary was the best part of that. Yeah. Other other names, assistant guys,

stuff like that. Am I missing another position? Tight ends coach? Did they settle on one? Yeah? They did? They they too. I've forgotten, No, it's uh that we we've we announced it. I forgot exactly what his name was. Yeah. Um, they also are gonna hire assistant special team's coach. Are actually a defensive assistant ken a motto that that hasn't been announced yet. Oh yeah, it was Doug Yer. Forgot about that. Of all the guys that kind of an LSU for

six days for like a cup of coffee. Yeah, for all the guys that we've kind of pieced together here, just kind of following you know what's happening with individual guys. Is there any particular area where you feel like the Cowboys upgraded or downgraded? Is there any I mean, it's hard to say with a coach that they downgraded because you just don't know what he's going to bring to the table until you see the results of what he does.

But but even from the standpoint of just like upgraded, do you think there's an area you feel better about that position with whoever they brought in versus who was here last Yeah. Paul Alexander, I mean Paul Alexander to me is he's got so many years twenty five, twenty seven years with the Bengals. I think that you know, he's worked with players, developed them into all pros, into

Pro Bowls. Now he's dealing with some first round guys that have already established there can take really great players maybe to another level. He's somebody that i've think can help this team. But there's two more that I would pick. We'll see what. The obvious one is Richard, which I feel bad saying that he's like an upgrade over Mattiberflus, because I think Matti Berflus was a hell of a coach.

But I mean, you're getting a guy who was a coordinator last year for one of them, and has been involved with one of the best defenses in the league, and whose specialty is defensive backs. You just, I mean, you got to view that as as pretty exciting when you consider the resources this team is spent on defensive back in the last year or so. So, you know, and we've heard reports that Byron Jones might be moving to corner and Cheeto Woozier might be playing safety and

all that whatever. I don't I don't know, and it seems unnecessary to speculate about it right now, to be honest, But but I mean, a guy like that having an influence on all those young dbs can only be a

good thing. So, and you know, we hear the word coach a lot, which typically don't call them teachers, but there's one guy that has been dubbed that a lot, as this Sanjay Law from He's been different places as a wide receivers coach, but a really good teacher is what he keeps getting uh categorized as in this team, this wide receiver group needs to be taught I think better. I mean when it comes to to route running, when it comes to scheme one of what we're doing with

different coverages and so um. Hopefully if he can do that. And I don't know what's going to happen receivers is you know, that's a whole other show. But if des does come back, let's give him the opportunity to have a different voice in the room a little bit, because I mean no offense to Derek Duly, but but I don't those receivers were kind of doing their own thing, and I think they needed a different voice. Whether or not they got the right one, they needed a different voice.

I'll paraphrase quote I saw from from coach Alisle about is that how you pronounce it? Um? But one of the quote that I'll paraphrase it, it was basically saying that he believes in the art of route running and he believes that that's something that you have that that that is the most important characteristic of wide receivers that you have to work on. If that's the case, and if he rings that mentality here, I think it can only be good for this this wide receiving corps, which

again I don't think they're bad wide receivers. I just don't think that they have not none of them in my opinion, other than maybe Cole is really quick, extremely quick or fast enough that even without great route running, they're going to get open um. But great route running makes guys who are okay like kind of fast, makes them much faster. It makes them play much faster. I think. So if you can get that, I think I think

that helps helps your quarterback too. And knowing where the guy will will be at all times, when we know what kind of rout he's gonna run, and you know and he has a good understanding, they've got to be on the same page. I mean, something's got to change with the receiver position. Whether they're gonna be If it's not personnel, which it will be a little bit. If it's not contract um, it's gonna have to be their performance. And I think maybe you know different guy in the

room will help. So those three he said it, Richard uh Sanjay Lyle, and I think Paul I was the inner or the three that are I think maybe the biggest changes there, I would agree. I mean, this is in my opinion, I think Richard is the biggest of the three because the thing that those two units have in common, the offensive line and the wide receivers, is they're full of veteran guys, whereas with the exception of Orlando Scandric true, everybody in the secondary is, you know,

year three or younger. So I mean now, well, yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I mean that we don't know what's gonna I mean, you don't really know. I mean, if you were and if you went down the list, if you went down the list and looked at you know, if you just said, hey, give me a name of a veteran player that's been here for a while, that if you thought he wasn't going to be here next year, the most likely one not to be here next year.

I think more often than that, you probably here Orlando's name. That doesn't mean it's going to happen that he will will not be here, but I think there's at least some you know, some people believe that there's a good chance he won't be speculation every year about anybody that's got a contract. I mean, that's pretty much. I'll say this, though this isn't the first year of that, you know, the speculation, and he did come back. His contract is

not one that you have to get rid of. Act favorable getting rid of him would be more about we've let young guys are ready to play, and we want to get him on. But that being said, contracts that are favorable to keep are also favorable to trade typically. Yeah, so you you know, if if he's somebody that you would want to try, and to be honest with that.

The only reason I think it's it's even worth talking about is because the way Orlando was sounding was well, yeah, I'd be okay if I weren't here, like regardless, at least we had sounded to me. Regardless of whether he's here or not, eighty percent of the guys in that room next year are going to be twenty six or younger. I mean, so yeah, and the most veteran guy of the group is maybe changing positions right well him or well, he don't forget Jeff, Yeah, but even I mean Jeff's

not exactly old either. I mean I've just finished his fourth year, so nobody's got into a second contract in that room. Jeff Goat year yeah, Okay, Joe years yeah, and Goat years, he's like thirty, he's thirty eight years. He's had one goat here. He is the three time leader in interceptions on this team three years in a row. Okay, Well, that's a lot of about Jamis is not on the schedule and Rogers. It says a lot about Jeff Heath.

I don't hear anything in the contrary. All right, let's jump into a free agency I'm sorry, franchise tag Cowboys or the NFL has just open up the franchise tagging period, where teams may place to tag on a player of their choosing. The Cowboys are expected to place the tag on de Marcus Lawrence. My first question for you guys

is how much money is this going to cost? And I'll combine that with another question, is that and this is a point of clarification, I think fancy to understand, does that money as soon as you tag the player immediately hit the cap because it is a one year guaranteed deal, Does that immediately hit the cap? And then we'll talk about maybe how that affects the team. A couple of fun things there, which I assume the NFL

has made this information in public to the teams. It's not public to us, but I assume the teams know because it seems ridiculous that you have to put a tag on a guy not knowing what his franchise cost is. But as I don't know what the numbers are, they're not publicly available. I mean you could go you can

do the math and get a basic figured the idea. Yeah, it's I mean that you know the average salary the top five guys at the position, it would cost the Cowboys somewhere in the neighborhood of seventeen million dollars, like seventeen and a half million dollars to tag him. Yeah. That hits the cap. Yeah, and it hits the cap immediately. It's part of I mean, when you you have to be under the salary cap on March fourteenth, at the start of the new league year, that's part of it.

If you put the tag on DeMarcus, that's accounting for seventeen million dollars of your caps. So it's that big a number. Seventeen million. Do the Cowboys have to do anything as far as player movement to get seventeen million on their cap for this year without going over no at they're at something like nineteen or twenty. The problem is not getting under, which it has been in recent years.

The problem is not getting under the problem is if you tagged a Marcus and don't sign him, then the tag money is eating into what you can spend on other people a lot, which even that's not necessarily a problem. You can restructure a lot of contracts. I doubt they will like you. Just look. You look around, and it doesn't seem like a good idea to be playing with people's money. I mean, we've talked at nauseam already about maybe you want to get rid of Dez, so I

don't know why you would push his money forward. But there are other guys you could consider. Tyrn Smith is a guy, but he's had two straight years of back injuries. Do you want to mess with his money? Frederick is the one guy that really makes a lot of sense. You assume he's going to be fine, So I would imagine they'll redo his deal at some point, which I

think frees up something like seven million in space. Because you do something like that with now, maybe you don't want to because you don't know if his long term viability, But somebody like Crawford who makes it a significant amount of money. Because I'm thinking about contracts that are eating up a significant amount of money, are there ways to decrease that amount to hit your cap this year? Yeah?

The answer is almost always yeah. But I think Tyrone is in a similar boat, where like and I haven't looked at this. I should have looked at this before we went on the show. I'm sorry, but if you if you bump his money this year, then it makes it harder to cut him next year, Whereas, like the way it is right now, if you just absolutely want to get out of his deal, you could do it

pretty easily next year. So it's all a matter of us and how much do you want money right now versus how much do you want your salary cap to be healthy? In the longest, That speaks volumes to what this team is because you can't find a lot of guys that are locked up that you feel really great about. I mean, because Frederick is one of them, and that's why he's a candidate. Zach Martin didn't have a big contract yet Tyron Smith is a yes, you like what

he's doing, but injury wise kind of scares you. Tyrone Crawfords, a guy's got a lot of money. But like they've said, Dave's already talking about how next year you might cut him because you just don't know. If he has another year where you're just like, well it's pretty good, then he's making you know, he's upside down. And that's also the thing about having a young team, right, you got

a relatively young team. Your quarterback doesn't make a lot of money, your star running back doesn't make a lot of money. There are a lot of guys on this team who are playing significant roles for you that don't that haven't gotten that second contract yet. They will. But well, and I would also argue factor you have to think about, especially from Zeke standpoint. You know Zeke, Well, I say that I don't know for sure ye Zeke's not making a little bit of money, like that's true, he is.

Comparing Zeke's contract to Dax is not very fair. I mean, he's on the books for like twenty four million. Thing about the about that contract though, too, And this is just the point of note, it's not guaranteed. Right that there's nothing guaranteed about it, So, uh, you know that doesn't that certainly that certainly will allow you to maybe restructure him if you wanted to. And I don't know the rules that there are rules about the first contract

and you're restructuring a first contract or not. But um, I want to say you can can't what you get coming out of college, what you get. Teams don't do it. I mean, I'm yeah, I've not really heard of it, so that's yeah, I got to look into that. But that's not a thing that teams do, for one, and I assume it's CBA related. So it's just most of this team's like big money contracts don't look great right now. I'm like, Tyron Smith signed like the most team friendly

deal in the history of team so did Shan Lee? Right, yeah, well, and which you don't want to touch Sean's money based on you know everything you know about him. And I've said over and over again, I think Tyron's gonna be fine in the long run, but it sounds kind of scary to be pushing his money forward when he has been as banged up as he has the last two years.

So you kind of have a shortage of options when it comes to freeing up that salary cap space, which and I think that's why you've heard so many people talking about this. The big one is is Zach Martin because he in it's not the franchise tag, but he's basically set to play on a one year deal right now too because of his fifth year option he's supposed

to play. He's on a one year deal that's going to count something like nine and a half million towards the salary cap, which is why go ahead, get that Get get that extension out of the way, and it can help even though it's a big figure, it can help your cap in the long run because you would imagine his year one charge would be less than what his charges right now. So those are the two things that I look at, um signing Zach Martin and maybe

finagling with Travis Frederick's money. You could all Um Whitten's another guy, and if you just assume he's going to play forever, you could probably do something with his money. Wouldn't you assume he's yeah, exactly, So he just signed an extension last year or so, he's got four years that you can push into the future or whatever. So

I mean there's a couple options. Like I think when it's all said and done, even with putting the tag on DeMarcus Lawrence, I think they'll probably have something like six to eight million in cap room to play with. So to avoid all that is obviously getting a deal done with him. And we're gonna hold you on that one. We're gonna take our first break when we come back.

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exclusions and warranty limitations apply. So if you love for details. Back to the Break, Welcome back. It's the second segment of The Break live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're talking franchise tags and we're talking about the Marcus Lawrence what the Cowboys are gonna do with him. Dave, you got something to say just every football fans favorite topic, bookkeeping. Yeah, whoo, man, it's this time of the year where you're like, man, I would

love to have a game coming up this Sunday. Honestly, I mean I can't speak for everybody, but like, I enjoy that aspect of it. I like team building, and finagling the money and the rosters. I wish I feel like I've got a pretty good grasp on it for somebody, for a layman, so to spit. But I wish I could be more involved in it. You know. I like following it, and I don't remember. I'm pretty sure you were not here during this that one year when we had the I don't know if what you called lockout,

whatever it was, the work stopping that year. Free agency was fun because basically everything got compared to neigh were gonna say, he wasn't remembering it kind of started out that way. I thought you were talking about something else. Yeah, right, no, but but just that because everything was contracted because it's get to weight, and once players were allowed to come back, then there was like a period of what nicke a week, two weeks when guys were getting signed and so like

across the league. And I like following across the league all the movement of players. But when you put all that into a short period of time, oh man, it was a blast. I remember it as a fan, like twelve hours after it was over, like the Saints had signed Darren Sproles and all this other I was just

like crazy. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I wish And actually there was some talk at the time, like, shit, the NFL maybe consider like doing that, like making your free agency period be a finite amount of time, so there's like a two week period of three week period with all free agency has to happen. And I thought that that'd be a great, great move because it does it forces teams to, you know, either do it or don't, but everything's going to be compacted in this period of time.

I don't think you could really do that with all the different circumstances around the league and reasons why guys hang around, But it would be nice if there was a way, you know, like we always it's it's a strategy team's use, like you can kind of hold guy's hostage and like let the money bleed out before you

try to you know. I wish there was a way to make a rule against that so that teams couldn't just leverage against players and stuff like don't you look at like around the league, around sports and other leagues. It just I mean the NBA for one, and just think, man, what a mess that is now? We might you might like if you were in it, you might understand it

a lot better. But when you say that mess where you're talking about what you saying, Well, I'm just talking about just the way the contracts are where Jeremy Lynn can trigger something in his deal and he makes twelve million dollars or something like that. NBA is like another language. I mean, like trade guys for the purposes of cutting them. Like, yeah, like your trade a guy, I'm trading to get him so I can get can get rid of his contract snacks,

contracts and salary dumps and all that. It's like a whole nother I don't understand it at all. I'm sure if we were on you know, MAVs Break, I guess maybe we'd have more to talk about there and be able to figure that out. But I just can't and we'd haven't. I can't talk about Well, yeah, let's let's go and move on from that. Yeah, um good, Let's let's talk about more on the franchise tag with the

Marcus Lawrence Nick. You started talking about that before we went to break and just talking about the fact that, you know, how does this affect you then from the standpoint of does that force you to now move a little quicker if you wanted to sign to Marcus Larrence to do that a little faster to free up more money. Do you think that affects their their thought process and what they're doing with him? Well, I think it should. I mean, you know you're gonna you're gonna try to

get a deal done. I mean. And the thing that that it does is you know you're talking about they've talked about like not knowing the number and all that. I think it's probably a good thing. I think teams are glad that it's not out there because you know, they're not necessarily saying that they're gonna tag him. Obviously it's an option. But even when it's thrown out there like that, that's that's the starting point. Once you tag him and now you have to work on getting a deal.

That's the starting point. Seventeen million per season, you know, I mean, or at least is it though? I mean, I mean, because when I look at it, there is there is a price. Yeah, the starting point. Because I'm saying that, it doesn't mean it doesn't go down, right, But you you already gave me a tag. I got you, yea. So now that's factored in that becomes leverage to some

degree for right side. Oh you want to make me fourteen a year or thirteen a year, and that's fine, six years, you know, I mean, or something like that. So or I'll just take the seventeen for a year. I could always just do that and then I'll go back next year and somebody else will pay me fifteen

for a year after that. So yeah, that's what makes this and that's you know, it's out there, and that's sort of the accepted strategy is that the Cowboys are going to wait until the deadline, which is mark March sixth, to put the tag onto Marcus because they want to try to get a deal done. I just don't think that's realistic at all, really, yeah, because what's what's what

would be the hold up? What holds this this kind of deal up from getting done the fact that I assume the Cowboys don't want to make him the highest paid defensive end in football. I assume would you think that that's what he would be asking for. I think he could come close to getting it on the open market. I mean, Olivier Vernon got eighty five million dollars two years ago, and his career production was awfully similar to Lawrence's. I mean, and Lawrence has had back problems two of

the four years of his career. He broke his foot as a rookie and got suspended his third season, like there's and on top of that, and for those reasons and others, he's only had one like really really quality season. He had a pretty good year in fifteen, and then last year obviously he really blew up. So I don't know that, I don't know that the track record is there to just want to hand him this crazy amount of money. And and and Nick's right, like that's the starting point.

So I just did the math. I mean, seventeen over four seventy million and seventeen over five is eighty five. So you're talking about a significant chunk of money for a guy that I wouldn't be surprised if they're not convinced he's worth it. But that kind of deal, you're not guaranteeing the last year two years, No, but I mean you're probably talking about half of that being guaranteed. Yeah, maybe about half of Vernon Vernon got fifty two guaranteed

or something like that. And like I mean, Olivier Vernon had like twenty five Cree or Sacks when he got that deal, Like, is it fair? No, But the open markets out there and there are teams with hundreds of million dollars of cap space who would be happy to pay him. And if I'm Lawrence in his agent, I have all the leverage without all the leverage, but he's got some pretty good leverage right now to be like, I don't have to do anything for a while. I'm

not signing anything until March. What's the deadline? Sixth is the deadline to put the tag on him? He doesn't have to sign anything until July. Yeah, sixth that I wouldn't do anything until March sixth, because make them give me the tag or a deal that I can't refuse, right, you know? And because then once you give him the tag, then you well you tagged me. But even at that,

is it not a smart move for him? Even after he gets to tag, Let's assume they give him the tag on March six is it not a good idea for him to then at that point say I'm not doing a deal until I see what happens if free agency, because that helps shape his deal as well. I don't know what other defensive ends are out there, but that will help shape the market. Sure he will say, Hey, that guy over there didn't have as many sacks as I did. He got this mount right right, so that

that also can help him. I would assume he can go the other way too, if those guys are less than what he's shooting for. But I certainly think that that's that could also be a part of the thinking, right. I guess I'll play Devil's advocate for a minute too and say, you know, you know DeMarcus has said before, you know he loves the organization. He knows how they feel about him. They've been loyal to him, all that

good stuff. Maybe if they if they make him an offer that he think is fair that maybe doesn't reach up into that stratosphere, maybe he'd be willing to sign it, just because that's the type of dude he is. But that's what agents are for. And I think any any talking out, any good agent would be like, nah, man, no,

we're not doing that. And so to your point, I could be wrong, But like I don't remember very often where a franchise tag guy signs a new deal before May June July, Like you're not gonna get tagged and then sign Yeah, wall free agent media going on. Yeah, it's just not that's one of the benefits of waiting is that you do get a chance to see mats

on the front. Homeboy over here got X amount of money, So yeah, coming to the table with at least that or don't even worry about it, that type of For years, it was the Raiders. Raiders would sign guys to these deals that just totally messed up the whole market. They do. You remember that they were, you know, well, this kind of got this money. Every year, they'd mess up the draft and they mess up free agent. It's like, God,

what are y'all doing? Messed up the whole league? You know, for and the Redskins have kind of done that a little bit too. You know, Redskins sign some a lot of high profile players and they get them done, you know front, And to be honest, Cowboys at a period when they were kind of stuff as well. Yeah, I mean, anytime you overpay for anybody kind of it changes the market. So it's not just you're right, it's not just Raiders Redskins. The Cowboys have done it too. They haven't done it

as much lately. Yeah, they've kind of changed that much. But you know, one thing that the Cowboys have done is they'll look at what works around in the league. They see that, they see what New England has done at times with the two tight ends, and then they were going to do the two tight ends. And now that they've seen with these little slot receivers, and they

tried to do the same thing. And so it. Eagles won the Super Bowl and they've done a lot of it with free agency and guys in I will be surprised if the Cowboys have another free agent year where they just sit back and don't do anything, and I'll be surprised. I don't think it's just the Eagles. I think it's the Eagles. And you go back a couple of years. I mean the Giants did they remake their defense, But the Broncos they won a Super Bowl off of

revamping their defense. So through free agency, yeah, so I think I think there's been a lot of instances here in the last three to five years where teams have kind of changed their fortunes. If you have a good team, you can take your team over the hump by going out and spending a little bit in free agent. I don't think it'll be crazy year. I do think they'll they'll be more active though, I really do. I'm interested to see. I tend to want to agree with you,

but like I just where's the money gonna come? Yeah, that's the thing for me. It's gonna you know, realism, and you're right, and it's gonna have to you know. And that's maybe that's the selling point to DeMarcus. It's like, listen, if you want to be here, we want you here. You want to be here, let's play. You know, we're gonna sit here and play games all you want to.

But if you if we if you wait all the way until June or July and we get this deal done, and you shave off seventeen million to counting about five or six million this year, how does that help us? Now? You want to help us. You wanted some a badass safety or a corner or another defensive tackle. Let's do this deal. Let's it's good for all about It's gonna be good in April and May two, and it gives

us money to be players in free agency. That's I think the sale to DeMarcus of why, hey, you're gonna be here, help us and and let's sign these guys. And in going back to what Dave said, he it seems like a good guy, seems like a guy that kind of has perspective. Maybe that is something that resonates with him and makes him say if I think, now, if I think it's a fair deal, like it's not.

It wouldn't be something where I'm just taking a hometown discount to take a homecount at hometown to say, but if I think it's a fair deal and it's like, this is what I think I'm worth and maybe it's not the highest paid guy, but I think I'm worth this and I feel good about it, then maybe that does get it done. This is the same guy who celebrated Sacks last year by taking money out of a safe.

So I don't know. We'll see, but if there's if there's one thing, I don't know, if there's this, I feel a lot better about this than I did about the death situation when it happened three years ago. Because Marcus has said time and time again like he really doesn't care, and he's he's not a politician, like he's gonna tell you exactly how he feels. He has never been shy about that, and he said and nothing. He's like, my age is gonna take care of that. I know.

I'm here he at the Pro Bowl. He said, tags fine, contracts fine. I was like, you're the first player to ever say that, Like, I don't remember anybody sounding so lazy fair about getting tagged. But the fact of the matter is, if you play defensive end, if you play quarterback, if you play cornerback, taking the franchise tag, although there's the risk of not having a long term the amount of money you make changes your life and the generation,

generational well of your family. So I agree with him, Like, if you're gonna give me seventeen million for a year, and I'll bet on myself on that, then I'll take that seventeen million because that's already gonna change my life in my kid's life. But on top of it, if I have another good year, I'm back to the same point next year and can make either even more as as a franchise tag player or if I go into

free agency. And football players are a lot like sports writers in that they're probably not that good in math. Sports writers aren't good for yourself, just like I can't tell them. I can't do base. But every arithmetic but basic, even even the basic can tell you if I get seventeen checks and I'm making seventeen million, that's pretty good. That's about a million a check about Now. Wait, there's gonna be a part that's gonna be taken out of that.

I understand. Bump me out. I might get half a million. Realism, I'm half a million a week. But hey, go ahead, I see your point, you know what I mean. And I just think that when somebody told that to him, like, I'll take that million a week. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, right, yes, please, yeah, and he should. I mean he you know, he's in a he's in a win win situation. But um, but like I said, if the Cowboys go to him and say that scenario, like, you'll help us here so we

can be players, the better be players. Yeah, they better do it. Don't don't don't. Oh well I just didn't work out. Better better go and and and do that, and so hopefully it'll you know, it's gonna work out. He's gonna be here. Um, it's it's not the first guy though that you know that the Cowboys are in a tough situation. You can go back to the last ten years and find players where, for whatever the reason, you have to make a tough decision on um that

it was contract time and we haven't. You know, when Zach Martin comes up, everyone knows what Zach Martin is like. Okay, so he deserves it. But it didn't always work out with Miles Austin needed a contract and he'd done it for a year. Doug Free needed a contract, he'd done it for half a year. Tony Romo needed a con track and he's done it for ten games. It happens where you're just like, well, we have to decide here,

and it's not. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But that's also the reason why I'm of the belief that that argument right there is what makes me think that a guy like Orlando could be gone. Is because I think the Cowboys more and more thinking when we get these young guys in here, we gotta get them on the field as soon as possible, and that's our way to be able to know when it's time for that contract. We know what they are, so we know whether we

need to invest the money in them or not. And based on what they saw last year, I think they have reason to believe that, given opportunities, that maybe, just maybe those two cornerbacks that they drafted can be long term fits for them. And so from that standpoint, they may be like, we just got to get these guys on the film playing more because we need to know who they are by the time it's time to make a decision on their contracts. Yeah, and that's I mean,

that's true. But you can lose games with cornerbacks. I'm not saying that they did. But it's a tricky and it's a it's a dangerous game to play. But they played it last year. I made it last year, and they played it without any real understanding of what those cornerbacks were. They played it to a dangerous yes, exactly. So if they would do it last year, what makes you think they wouldn't. Initially they got a lot more information to work on this year. Again, they I think

those two guys played admirably for a rookie quarterback. They were they were rookies to a tea. I mean, they gave up some play some touchdowns, some pass interference, latent games, but they also played well throughout the game. You know where it's like you know they were helping you they were getting off the field, and they weren't making interceptions

really one each. But I've gotten used to not having. Yeah, but they definitely give you some some like Okay, if this is if they're going to get better than this, then you know, we have a chance to be pretty good. Assuming Cheeto stays at the corner, you know. And I know I've been on here and said that I would look at him at safety, but I know and a lot I mean, I get my Twitter. He gets kind of blown up when I do that because people don't. They're like, we finally have a good physical corner. Why

can't we just can't. I like the size at corner, Like that's the other thing. There's some big receivers in this division. Like I like the size at corner. And you know, you forget that Brandon Marshalls still sitting over there in New York. Now, I assume he's gonna still be there everyto another year. It's a big guy, all Shan Jeffreys a big guy. Like there's some big guys

you have to face in this division. I like having some size like right now that there's not a lot right Well, we'll see see if Byron Jones is playing there or not. But you know, all of a it becomes kind of a bizze at size and skill. Like I just I wasn't that impressed with him as a cornerback. I thought he was decent. I didn't think he was like moving him back to me is not, Oh, we're going to get better premium value. It's let's just see if we can find someplace for him to play. Well,

we'll just I just look at body type. Yeah, he was getting carried too many times. The tackle that Cheeto made on mars Shawn Lynch. I don't care what Marshawn did afterwards and what he said to him on the bench. He went back five yards, three yards or whatever. I mean he felt that just as much as Cheeto did. That looks like a safety type play. To me, whatever they do is fine, And hopefully they'll bring another safety in and you know, I'll be campaigning for that move

if they along with you, if they do that. But yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, all rights, Yeah you do. Everybody. I thought I thought I was the safety guy. That's been my thing since like mid season last year. Well, but I think everybody. I think everybody, all of us are in agreement. That if that were to happen, if that guy were to end up here, then I think, oh, yeah, that's what we're talking about. I wasn't that guy up here. I think we're all we're all very happy about something

like that. I'm firmly just don't even don't. Let's deal. We probably should be et come home. Let's deal. And he did say come get me, right, he said come get me, bring me home. Right, y'all are acting like fanboys right now, let's just deal in reality. While right, my god, if they could sign any LSU player, you'd be like, bring it. That's not true. I mean not Patrick Peterson at the end of his contract, at the ready to go, he wants to come to Dallas. Would

you not be geeked? If Arizona let Patrick Peterson go? I would assume it's because his play has dipped to an unbelievable degree, because like that dude's never leaving there as long as he keeps playing. At the point, you didn't even answer my question, you'd want for whatever reason he was, for whatever reason he was available, Would you not be asked? Geeks? Did I not sit on this podcast three weeks ago? And crap all over the idea

of signing Jarvis Landry. He's not Patrick Peterson through, So I'm just saying when he's got that whatever he said that, he did say that. Now if it if it was O'Dell, no, no, no, no, no, I got the real one. I got the throw the badger. Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's already blessing right now, like, oh yeah, bring him over, bring him over. It's my guy. All right, let's take our final break. We'll come back. We're don't get some questions here, and hopefully you guys

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Let's look at some of these guys that are coming out of college and they're filling the music over there, give us a scouting report for the combine that will start next week. Tell us a few names of some guys that you think are worth keeping an eye on, and I want you, at some point in that give us one guy that's become kind of your pet cat, one guy that in this process you've kind of fallen in love with, Like, hey, I really liked this player.

If the Cowboys were to land this guy, it would be a game changer at whatever point, whether that's the first round guy, whether that's the second, third, fourth round guy, at least point once you give us one of those guys. All right, okay, yeah, I can do that. All right. Well, Act, here's the reason why I was not on y'all's wavelength at all about um about Earl Thomas back there in the last segment is because I'm sitting here, I'm like, yeah,

the Cowboys needed safety. And his name's Derwin James, which right, And that's that's the funny thing about the combine is like right here on February twenty first, you know, we got the TV's in the studio of James of Florida State University. You're right, You're right, Derwin James safety at a Florida State University. Um right, I'm February twenty first, Like we really have no idea, Like there's so much

that still needs to be solidified. Which to the point that Derwin James is a name, you hear a lot for the Cowboys at nineteen, Like maybe he's in that twelve to nineteen range that it's realistic to think. But we will be at the combine next week where a lot of these guys are going to um to work out, run, jump, do all that stuff. And Derwin James is a physical freak. Uh, Like I think I don't know if he's going to put up Byron Jones numbers, but I think it'll be similar.

So physical freak physical like his his actual physical makeup or in his his athletic ability, I mean a little bit of both. Like I mean he's he's he's a safety here, I'll pull up his measurables. I mean, he's he can play strong, he can play free. Oh he's Oh my gosh, that's that can't be right. Yeah, No, he's he's six three two eleven ish give or take. He can play strong, he can play strong, he can

play free. He can. He's played outside in a pinch. Um. The Seminoles used him as like a nickel, a big nickel linebacker guy, like he can do all that type of stuff for you. I think he'd be a day one starter here, Um interceptions? Does he does he get he was hurt one year? Well, I mean just you know as he round the balls, he'd make plays like that. I mean, because you know me make the I don't think Byron Jones when he looked at all his stuff.

You know he has great numbers and he could run and jump obviously, Uh he well, he only played two games in twenty sixteen because he tores meniscus. He played twelve last year and had two eighty four tackles, five tackles for lost, two sacks or two picks, one of

those return for a touchdown. Um. I just he's got he's got sky high potential based mainly on his athleticism, which my point being is, I don't know that he'll still be a realistic candidate to be the Cowboys pick when he's done working out, Like when he's done running. Am you think he's a safety that will jump up higher than nineteen. He's already in that range right now, when he's when he's done running like a four four at his size and jumping, I'm I think he's gonna

put up some freak numbers. I'm just I don't know, let's not forget this aspect. And I don't care what teams will tell you that they don't think about it. I think they're lying Jalen Ramsey, you know, for doing what he did. I just think it's it's hard for teams not to separate the two, like we really want to pass on a guy like this, and and you know, I just think guys that come from the same school, right yeah, largest Yeah, making sure I didn't, I wouldn't

think about someone else. No, But I mean when you get guys from the same school, I just think it's just natural to be like this guy was great, this guy looks like he's going to be great, you know. I mean, I'm sure it happens. Yeah, no, and it does. Well. It's interesting because you know, safeties either go super high or they kind of fall. I mean, Earl Thomas went ten,

Eric Barry was like five, worth it, worth it. Malie Hooker should have been a top ten pick last year, but he fell all the way down to seventeen, which gives and Derwin, like I said, he tours Meniscus two seasons ago. So I'm holding out a hope that he's a guy that they could draft. But I don't know how is he good enough that if you got to you give me the number fifteen sixteen and he would fell on the board that you would consider giving something

up in order to go get it. It It sounds like you listen to the Draft show because we had that argument, and you know, Dane Brugler threw out a couple of names that you know, Roquan Smith, the linebacker out of Georgia East, and I think Calvin Ridley was the other one, the why wide receiver out of Alabama. He said he'd go up and get those guys. But if Derwin James starts slipping too, like the fifteen sixteen, I would give up like a third round pick. And if those guys

are gone or without those gushead over him? What about them? Over them? Excuse me? If if they were still on the board, you would go up and get him. Well, who's getting drafted here? I know, I'm just asking those you putting you. There's guy as far as a talent. You put him above I think Quan Smith and above um, it's the receiver I think in terms of the need on this team, because at the end of the day, I know you need an insurance policy for Sean Lee and Jalen Smith. But at the end of the day,

you right now have two starting linebackers. And I said, right now, I know, well, I agree that. I'm trying to see what you're gonna say about that other position though, wide receiver, wide receiver. This class is loaded, and there's no reason you need to just didn't get good that. There's no reason you need to spend that pick on a wide receiver. In my I if the Virginia Tech linebacker for Maine Edmonds kind of falls a little bit, he would be a guy I think I would look

at that's it's it's so hard right now. And that's the big thing about the combine is it helps solidifying no doubt. Well, he ain't better than Quan Smith. It's well, Roquan Smith looks like a big old safety. I think he doesn't play that way, but he kind of looks that.

Roquan Smith is more in the vein of your Dion Jones, like the modern small, fast linebacker, which this defense, that's what I kind of want to see is the guy that can go sideline the sideline faster than anybody, which, right, But what if he looks like Levon Kirkland doing it like this Edmond's guy? Is that the way? Is that what he is? He's like Edmonds looks an looks like ur Locker Like he's like six four two five, big old you know he could play all three spots similar

skill though, yeah, I mean he's just bigger, bigger. I don't think he's just I don't know. That's probably not as fast as remember this when when the Cowboys, because we're gonna get thrown quarterbacks in your face. Every time you look at any draft thing, it's it's about you know, Josh Allen, what about Baker Mayfield? As a Cowboy fan, you want them to just go crazy, throw, don't let the ball hit the ground at their pro day, be off the charts. That's four spots ahead of you that

have to be drafted. And maybe Lamar Jackson, if he can have a great workout, he might somebody a five guy maybe, Or there's there's two ways to look at that. Do you want all, you want a whole bunch of quarterbacks going and pushing players to you, or do you want quarterbacks lasting so that somebody at the back of the draft on a trade wants to jump up to nineteen and get their guy. Quarterbacks affect everyone. They really Dave saying it. It's right, especially with Jerry. Jerry's proven.

There's been two occasions where a guy has fallen to them in the nineteen twenty twenty one spot and they've traded out and got to pick next year. That's what I don't like though, because I feel like right now what this team has is a less specially on defense. I feel like they have a lot of good players, they don't have enough catalytic players. They don't have enough

players that change games. And to me, you start dropping down into the twenties, and I think that's where you get to that really and you, guys, you can tell me how many guys in this in this draft actually will have first round grades, usually somewhere around that seventeen nineteen range. You start getting into twenties, you're really drafting

second round talent. I think the first round of this draft is pretty weak compared to They may even be higher than nineteen, like it maybe fifteen, fourteen, thirteen, So I mean it's usually between sixteen and eighteen something like that. I would response equal another response when you said that earlier this week, but you said it was a kind of week. We were just like, oh okay, what earlier

in the week you and Brian had some good conversation. Well, you know, yeah, we got an argument on the show. He was like, you're just being lazy, blah blah blah. Go look at twenty sixteen. Go look at twenty sixteen, and all the studs came out of that draft and tell me that this one looks as good to you. I I don't know, but I go back and forth on that because I mean Travis Frederick was picked thirty one,

DeMarcus Lawrence was picked thirty four. I know the DeMarcus Lawrence they picked at the time, and the one that it's about to get paid or not the same guy. That's the point you get into the second round, your second round talent you their second round is usually because

of other things combined with their skill. That's the either haven't done it enough, whether they got an injury or something like that pushes them the second round talent, right, But what happens in the war room if one of those quarterbacks fall and and somebody says, we'll take your your pick, We'll take your draft pick for next year's one. Now. Typically Jerry loves that idea. But you've got a coach who can't go nine and seven, can't really get into the playoffs and not win a game now and not

you know, get to stay here next year. He's gonna have to go around or too deep in the playoffs. And so you know, do I want to help? Oh? Who am I helping next year? I need an these players now. So that would be in an interesting scenario if that happens and the coaches in the room going next year, my ass, we've got to win now. My pet cat of all pet cats is a wide receiver by the name of DJ Moore out of the University of Maryland. Okay, uh, he's telling me about him. What

does he do? Will He's not impressive like from a physical no no, no no no from AKA from a physical stamp. Let's say he's like five ten, two hundred pounds. But I mean, you don't play wide receiver in the NFL. Um but he played at Maryland, which is they've been a dumpster fire for most time. I saw him a close and personable glehead. But well yeah, he well he so you know exactly what I want you to tell all the listeners. He he does a little bit of everything.

Like he's a fantastic route runner, he's got fantastic hands, he can play outside even for a short productive. In college, he played at Maryland, where he had eight different quarterbacks. During his college career, Um caught one hundred and forty six balls for two thousand yards and seventeen touchdowns, average fourteen yards per catch. And again this is I mean, he was cycling through quarterbacks like nobody's business. No no passing threat whatsoever. For his junior year, he caught eighty

balls for a thousand yards and eight touchdowns. Was the Big ten receiver of the year for Maryland. Like in a conference that has Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State, you know, all these badasses, he was the receiver of the year. Um, I'm stealing a line from Dane Brugler, but Dane always compares him to Steve Smith. That's exactly what I was thinking. How could you not love that? Absolutely? I just like you know, he's a polished route runner.

He's got awesome hands. He just gets I mean, he's not gonna go up and do you know he's not gonna go up and out muscle people like dead. But he's just gonna be open all the time. Just the one thing I don't like a band. He's gonna he's gonna give you a gmbo goomb Yeah, every time he catches the ball, So I gotta makes you get those right every time he catches, like he's not he's not

just going down, you know, like he's gonna fight that. Yeah. Though, But what does worry me a little bit is it just adds to your list of sub six foot wide receivers, which you know, do you want to be? I mean, do you want size or do you think you need more? Doesn't bother Antonio Brown. No, that's a good point. I don't care about. I mean, like good point. And I'm not getting rid of Dez Bryant, so I'm not forfeiting

that say that about Antonio Brown. Um, but the guys around him, you know, like got a ton of big guy yeah, big guys around him, So you kind of wonder if you need more of a balance there. I mean, like, I really like Christian Kirk a lot, and he's another small guy who's mainly a slot guy too, So I don't know. I again, I'm a piggyback guy when it comes to the draft, like most people are. They like other people's reports on what they see. Now, these guys

on the Draft show are watching the tape. You gotta give him credit there, one of the guys that I like and I got. Dane kind of told me about it first and then I just started looking at him and running back North Carolina State Naheim Hines. Yeah, this guy. Now, second, he might be too rich for you. He might be a guy like David saying, we're just will work his you know, run his way up the charts. Where but track guy plays running back. Usually see track guy as

a receiver. This guy track just thick, but but you know runs hard by to him, he is explosive. He a guy that might get into that four three four maybe I don't know exactly. I mean, if he's a track guy, he's got to be in that in that range you think, you know, but he's I think watching what Kamara did last year, you know that type of guy can help teams. I mean, the Cowboys still want that guy. They want they wanted Lance Dumbar to work. Would you take a running back in the second day

of the draft, in the second yes? Yeah, I think in the second day, yes, the second day you talk round. Would you take a running back in the second great question? Third round? Yeah? I mean, but I don't know if hinz. You know what the problem about that is is Hines has to prove that he is a every down type of back because I think with this team, with what we've seen, you need. You need to get a guy that could say, all right, if something happens, does Zeke,

even if it's a game or two. Yeah, I would, And that's the Dumbar couldn't do that. I've heard you talk about that guy before, and I know Dane and Brian talk about him. I'm I'll just give me three war daddy running backs like you. I mean, you got Zeke rod Smith is six three. Just give me another well rounded, bigger that you're okay taking fourth. Fifth. Yeah. You don't want your Chris Thompson type guy. You don't want that. You don't want that short, little speed guy.

I would rather just have. I mean preferably he can catch the ball, but like he doesn't need to be so specialized that he's like Lance Dumbar, you know, like you can find a running back who's five eleven to ten who can catch the ball, you know, because because I think what people forget about Kamara too is that he could run the ball right up the middle and he did it. Well. Yeah, mar is not a super small guy. No, he's just compact um. He looks kind of thin to me, but I don't know, maybe that's

just the way he looks. Kamara. I'll be a real homer for a sex since I just said I wasn't. And I'm just throwing this out there as an example, but Darryl Williams, senior running back out of LSU, he was stuck behind first round picks his whole career, better than guys. I mean, I'm not saying, You're just saying he's absolutely not a good guy that didn't get He's a solid running back who didn't see a lot. I mean he didn't see as much of the field as

he would have at almost any other program. Really good player, can catch the ball, powerful guy, could do everything you need him to, could probably get him in the fourth or fifth round and bring him on. And let's not forget that guys like that. I mean, he don't have a ton of wear and tear on him. Good point, because he's already I think. I mean, because of how much this team leans on the run and because of how much you can't count on Zeke at least that's

what we've seen so far. I think running back is a sneaky concern. And I like Rod Smith, but he's only under contract for one more year. Like, get me another guy who's going to be on a four year deal who can come in here and will cost less than an Alfred Morris and has less tread on his tires than an Alfred Morris. I think that's a I mean, preferably not in the third round. But if you told me it was like just a badass, I'd be okay with it. All right, let's say we appreciate you guys

join us. We are back in two weeks. Next week you meet, you should make sure you check out the Draft Show. We'll have it running everyday next week except for Tuesday. I think it is we might be joining the show on Tuesday. We might Yeah, we might do a joint show next week, but just stay tuned for the to the website. We'll let you know when all the shows are going to happen, but definitely will be some live show shows happening at the Draft at the Combine next week. So until then, for Nick even to

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