Cowboys Break: Change of Pace

We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star and do we have a lot to talk about today. We've got to talk about all this coaching change. It's been something that fans and even us at times have talked about really for probably a year, maybe a year and a half, maybe even two years, I don't know. But Cowboys do finally make a change. They move on from Jason Garrett and they make the decision to hire

Mike McCarthy. I want to go back with you guys to Saturday and Sunday when we started hearing the news about Garrett, first of all, and then Sunday obviously no Monday, when the news breaks about Mike McCarthy, and tell me what your thoughts were as far as this higher for the Cowboys. We'll start with you, Nick oh Man, about freaking time really wasn't the thought because it didn't started

the weekend. It started the week before, and you know you're hearing reports and all that, and it's frustrating just because you know you're waiting on official news and so you know, for it to finally happen with Garrett. My thoughts were, I wonder what changed, you know, did something happen in this interview process, because it looked like it might go all the way until January fourteenth. That's kind

of maybe what Jerry was trying to do. It was hard to figure out what was happening here, but something must have forced his hand. Maybe it was a great interview with a great a guy that he decided to hire. I guess, like looking back on it now and we haven't had a chance to talk to anybody, we will today, but like me reading between the lines, I guess my main impression was like they were thinking about keeping that guy.

They were like they were thinking about going forward with Jason Garrett if they couldn't find something better, And I mean they feel like they did, like again me reading between the lines, Jason Garrett's contract didn't run out till January fourteenth. They did this week long thing where they were nobody knew what they were doing, and then they hired the one coach with a more extensive resume than

Jason Garrett. And to me, that reads as Jerry Jones being like, I don't really want to do this, so if we're going to do it, then I need to be absolutely sure that this is a more experienced, more successful version of what I already have. I don't want to teach another coach how to do this. I don't want to learning curve. I don't want any of that stuff. I want a guy that can step right in. And Mike McCarthy fits that. Bill. I don't know how successful

he'll successful he'll be, but he fits that. Bill Camber, Well, you know, a while back I asked the question as to why is it that Jerry Jones is so attached to Jason Garrett, and you guys basically answered it. You know that he was the guy that he brought up, and after ten years you're expecting him to kind of explode at one point and be productive. So you can tell that it wasn't an easy decision, and I was kind of I keep going back and fourth time, I okay,

is Garrett gonna convince Jerry? Like, is he gonna bring him back? And after you're hearing them meeting more than three times. I don't know what the total number was of meetings that they had, but a lot of meetings. As far as McCarthy, I really don't know what to feel about him. I know he has the experiences and all of that. Hopefully I get a better feel when I see him in person. I see pictures of him and I'm like, Okay, look, he doesn't seem like an

aggressive guy, and I want someone aggressive. Is he aggressive? Yeah, that's why I hear. I hear it could be aggressive with his team. But well no, honestly, you don't know. You don't know what a coach he is from one stop to the next. I don't know if it makes him aggressive. But the great stats look at it, that smile, Look at him smiling. The great statistician himself. Bobby Belt said on Twitter last night that Mike McCarthy won more challenges during his time in Green Bay than Jason Garrett

has thrown. Oh well, he won more challenges than Jason Garrett even challenged. Yeah, so, like I said, I don't know if that makes him aggressive, but any of them stand out more than yeah. Yeah, one in particular is pretty important. Yeah. Well, clearly a change was needed, and regardless of who the new coach was gonna be, I think it was time for the count was to make a change at the position. But again, the only time we'll tell us to what McCarthy can do with this

offense and this whole team. But that's of right now. I don't know how to feel. Should I be excited? I don't know. We Oh no, no, go ahead, No, you haven't had a chance to weigh in here. The only thing I was gonna say is actually I agree

with what you said. I actually think and this is something I started to you know, around here in the office, we all were having our discussions about what we thought was going on, because again, that was about as closed of a situation as I've ever seen at the Cowboys.

Usually you make the right phone call to somebody in the building, you can get an idea of what's happening that was not happening last week, Like it was very very quiet, and it suggested to me that whatever was happening was being kept between Jerry Stephen and Jason Garrett. And at the time my thought was, well, of course

they're gonna make a move, They're gonna move on. But the more it lingered more, I really started to think that Jerry might have been having that conversation and really contemplating like should I make this move or should I not end? And I think you're absolutely right, Dave. I think you get to a guy like Mike McCarthy and you just start looking down this guy's resume. You're talking about a coach who's already taken a team to the

Super Bowl. I think nine of his four thirteen years, nine of his thirteen years at Green Bay, they were in the playoffs, had four division title game appearances, obviously winning the Super Bowl. Like, there's nobody else right now that was currently available as far as head coaches are concerned, that had the resume of Mike McCarthy. So if if Jerry is wanting to go out and find somebody who has the resume that says he can get it done,

that's really the only guy out there. And when they had the interview, it sounds like they were from the very beginning beginning. It was kind of this match made in Heaven where they really hit it off, and I think that's why they pulled the trigger. I said this on We did a you know, a joint show on Monday to kind of react to it. I said it there so I won't do the whole spiel again, but it reminds me of drafting Zach Martin over Johnny Manzel.

I mean, Lincoln Riley could have been this Sean McVeigh League landscape transforming higher, or it could have been just an utter disaster and two years from now, everybody's like, Wow, that was really stupid. Mike McCarthy, I think Amber's reaction is probably how a lot of people feel like. I don't think people are just rioting in the streets in anger, and I don't think people are throwing parties either. They're

just kind of like, Okay, this could work. And I don't know if he'll get the Cowboys to a super Bowl, but I don't think they'll look back in three years and feel like they did something stupid either. Just a steady solid higher well question, Sorry, I was just going to ask a quick question, why if he has so much experience and this extensive resume. Why was he not working last year? Well, that's the nature of him. You

get fired, and obviously the luster comes off, right. He'd had the career that he had there, but then he had his final season there. He got fired during the season, and so obviously there's not a lot of teams necessarily that's always ready to just jump right in there with a guy because Aaron Rodgers, I think, didn't want them

to be the coach. Yeah, and I think there were there were, at least from the reports I've read in Green Bay, there were people that thought that his thing got stale there, like is play calling got stale, supposedly, and his offense got stale. Only won one Super Bowl. Well, you know that's always as your arguments. That's what I'm saying is that everybody's expectations are at a different level. Jason couldn't get past the divisional game. Mike McCarthy couldn't

get back to the Super Bowl. Again, some coaches, Marvin Lewis, let's say, couldn't win a playoff game. Some coaches couldn't get to the playoffs. So everybody's got there. But once you set those expectations and you know. I see it a lot in college too. You programs that aren't very good all of a sudden they go to bowl games every year, but then they can't go past eight and four or nine and three. You if you start getting

evaluated by the expectations that you have created. So he created those expectations to be at that level and he couldn't get there. So but to her question, and let me go back to what Dave said, too well, I said this on the show the other day. The Johnny Manzel Jack Martin is a very good example because I believe Jerry was the only one in the room that wanted Johnny Manziel and everyone was trying to listen, can't

do this, he's not ready. And this guy's a solid player, better than Sally has been a seven to six time All Pro. I think in this case, I think I don't know. One of the reasons why you don't hearing a lot of what was going on not there is because I think Jerry was probably one of the only people that wanted to do that. And then when you start getting into ownership and changes and up at the top and a difference of opinion, that's where that's where you know, you hit like a stalemate because a lot

of times they're they're on the same level. But I think in this case, again, Jerry was probably the only one that really was thinking. So when you said I think they wanted to keep him, I don't know if it was they may yeah, yeah, which I think causes issues with how they operate around there. And so this was one of those cases where they maybe you know, disagreed and that's what caused some you know, a delay in all this. Yeah, um, let's go to I want

to ask you guys a question. If you if you assume that that McCarthy is at least a solid higher based on what you know of him, what do you think is the best thing he brings this team or what is the thing that you expect would be better under him than and it's been under Jason Garrett. I'll start. I guess I think that you know, just first of all, fans won't be able to say this guy, I don't believe this guy could get us to the super Bowl. So you can't really say that because he's not he

can get it there. Now you can you can turn it to dak if you want. If if if they fans want to say that. I don't know if Dak you know, they already do say that, but I think that you know the experience of winning, you know, these games in the playoffs, what it takes to be just a little bit better when you have these close games, you know, down there a feel for when do you challenge, when do you not? That's all part of game management and and so you know, I think that that'll just

to his experience there. And I know we're gonna talk a little bit about why he didn't coach last year. I think I think there's a lot to that that's really intriguing for me of why he didn't coach and what he was doing last Yeah, I want to get it to that. I don't know if that was why he didn't coach, but I think he made good use of the time and I think it's why personally, I think it's why he got the job. Here is what he was doing through that. We'll talk about that in

just a second. Maybe not better than you can't say this is better than Jason Garrett, but again, I think a big selling point is that this is a guy who's done everything that he needs to do already in turn like he's got skins on the wall. He has run an NFL program and done so successfully. He is

a veteran, He's been in a Super Bowl. He's not going to have or shouldn't have a hard time commanding the respect of the locker room, especially if the staff that he is reportedly putting together is really If that comes to fruition, I mean you're talking like hundreds of years of NFL experience on this staff. I don't think even a team is experienced and talented as this should

have a hard time responding to that. Again, Jason Garrett did all of that too, but with a less experienced coach, I think you run the risk of people being like, who the hell's this guy? So what if you want in the Big twelve? Well, I don't think that's an issue here. Better than Jason, I have a feeling we're going to have a better idea what he does on game day. I mean, this is a guy that's been a play caller for the vast majority of his NFL career.

Say what you want about how it ended with Rogers, but he was definitely instrumental in his young and developing career. Again, a lot I mean it's so hard to know where to split the credit on that. Like, Rogers probably would have been great with any coach, I think, I think, I am. You can't say that for sure, but I think. But even at the same time, this is a young offensive mind and coach who's good at calling plays and putting game plans together, who helped Rodgers develop into one

of the best quarterbacks in the league. That's really encouraging for a team that's got a twenty six year old quarterback. I think again, I mean, from calling plays to designing the game plan. I think, like I said, I think we're gonna have a much clearer idea of what he's doing during a given game than Jason Garrett. Yeah, I will say this, and I've been having this this debate on Twitter with people about the development of Aaron Rodgers. He spent two years with Aaron Rodgers as his head

coach before Aaron Rodgers became a starter. To me, I look at that and say, I don't know how much credit he gets, but you gotta get some. You're talking about a quarterback that twenty three teams decided we're not going to take a shot at him, and that says to me that there were some things that teams felt like needed to be worked out in him, whatever it was, they felt like he wasn't necessarily a surefire. Don't because those guys don't last still the twenty fourth pick in

the NFL draft. I don't care what you think of their arrogance or whatever else. They don't last still the twenty fourth pick in the draft. If people don't think they have something that has to be worked out in them, you're not wrong. But don't forget that the narrative going into that draft was that Rogers or Smith could go number one, like people were talking about him as a

number one overall pick. So I don't Yeah, that's a great mystery, but I don't know that he was seen as as big of a project as a lot of

quarterbacks that have come out. Maybe not, but there would have been somebody around fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty who would have, even if they weren't there, would have traded up if they felt like this is a no misby link about all the guys who have been picked up as quarterbacks where teams jumped up a couple of spots because they were like this guy's just too We are so good to be waiting around at this point.

We are agreeing with each other. But you can't. You can't take all the credit away from Mike McCarthy, even if I do think Rogers would have been great anywhere. Yeah, and that's that may be the truth. I just look at this and I say, you have a quarterback that right now is good, really good at times. Right if you have a guy that actually can get him from good to great, and maybe Aaron Rodgers would have been good but maybe not great if he hadn't had McCarthy.

All I'm saying is the fact that he was a part of the development of a quarterback that became a great quarterback. I want to see what he can do with this quarterback and see if he can get him

to that next level. I would love to know if Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers will exchange messages about this higher and what Rogers would say privately interesting Even if I had a chance to ask him, he wouldn't tell me what he would tell Dak privately, But that would be fascinating, right because you'll tell him the good and the bad. Because I guess what with all of us, there's good and there's sure, right Ambery are you are?

Do you think that in this type of situation, just having a new voice makes a difference for this team? I think so. I mean you can tell even with the players and how they were feeling as far as having Jason Garrett around, I think the mood was starting to switch towards the end of the season. Now I'm really curious to see how this is going to work out with Kellen Moore. I know he's he is a smart guy, and he's starting out in his career, he's

young and this and that. But I just because I don't really know how much liberty he had with Jason Garrett as far as him planning all the plays for the offense, I don't really know what Kellen Moore can actually do because I'm not sure how much of that was his own doing versus how much input Jason Garrett

had in the whole game. So I don't know. I'm not sure how I quite feel with Kellen Moore and the reports of him coming back as the offensive coordinator, And I just I don't know if I wanted a whole clean sweep, like let's clean it all out and bringing a whole new staff, or let's keep him another year and kind of see how he goes. Let's do this, Nick, I'm gonna runt to break real fast. When we come back, I want to talk about it, and I want to

get your opinion on Kellen Moore. I also want to talk about some of these other coaches, because I do think there is a pretty big sweet that's coming here, at least from the reports that we're starting here. We'll talk about that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. I'm Jay Novachik, former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys back in the day. I was a guy who always got the tough yards and

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we gonna win? Chere? Just okaying is not okay, whether it's cheerleaders or your wireless network. At and T is America's best wireless network. Best network based on GWS one score, September twenty nineteen. Back to The Break Welcome Back. It is the second segment of The Break Life in this WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, talking about the coaching changes. We've talked about the head coach. Let's talk about Kelvin Moore. It sounds like, based on reports that there is a

strong likelihood that he will be retained as the offensive coordinator. Nick, you were about to make a point before the break, would you have? Well, I don't think nobody cares who the general manager is. They just care who picks the players. Nobody cares who coordinates the offense. They want to know who calls the place. So that's really what this is going to come down to is, Yeah, he might be the play caller. I don't know if he'll call the plays.

And if Mike McCarthy calls the plays, then you know, obviously, because people want to know who who do? Who do? I get mad at on third and one when they threw it deep, you know, And so that that's what's what will be. And I think McCarthy will call the plays. But if you got a chance, and I think you know that interview has been floating around with Peter King, get a chance to see it where he talked about that whoever's going to install the game plan will be

the one that calls the place. But I do think is that where he mentioned Kellen Moore and the ironically he used to Kellen Moore play to illustrate stuff that he wants to do in his next stop in the NFL. So maybe he will call it. I mean, I don't know yet, but I just know that he's done in the past. He got pulled from him in twenty fifteen and they sucked. They sucked. He took it back, so you know, it's I don't know, that's tough. It's hard for me to imagine a you know, I mean, McCarthy's

been in the NFL since the nineties. It's hard for me to imagine him giving up play calling duties. But it's hard for me to imagine Kellen Moore taking what I would view as a demotion, I mean, not being an offensive coordinator who doesn't call the plays. Obviously that exists, but you know it's it's established guys like Sean Payton who do that. So I'm curious to get the answer to that, if they'll give it to us. Is who's actually going to be in charge of that it does

sound like Kellen's going to stay. I like it. You know, last year was a net positive for me. Like there were ups and downs and growing pains, but the offense was not the problem for this team for the vast majority of the season. He's an intriguing and exciting young coach. The one thing I will say is, does it create kind of a Jason Garrett situation where Mike McCarthy has to worry that the Wonder Ken is like over his shoulder, you know, ready to do something bigger and better if

they struggle. I mean, that's what happened to Wade Phillips. Right, So let me ask this and I'm gonna lay out this my scenario of what I think on this, and then you guys can tear it apart, all right. I think that last year one of the problems that Cowboys had was inexperience in the coaching ranks, particularly. I will point to several different position coaches, and the offensive coordinator was a part of that. I think that the offensive coordinator, Kelly Moore, I think he was good at his job.

I think the games where the Cowboys often struggled and in moments in games where Cowboys often struggled. I think were a result of his lack of experience, and I don't think, my personal opinion, nobody's told me this. I don't think the head coach last year was necessarily helping him in those situations. Hey, my experience tells me maybe we should try this. Hey let's do this, maybe we

should go to this. And so I think because of that, what you saw was an inexperienced guy having to learn the ropes basically without somebody giving him advice sound advice during the game that might help him out of tough situations. My expectation for this is if they bring Kellen Moore back and let's say Kelly Kelly Moore is going to call the plays. What I like about that is this head coach has a vested interest in him succeeding, which means that maybe he steps in and says, hey, at

this point. We saw this with Bill Parcels. He used to do this. He talked about just because I'm not calling the plays doesn't mean I don't influence plays. Right, So if there's a situation in a game where hey, Kelln, I know you might be thinking something here, but I really think this is a point in the game where we need to run the ball. I really think this is a play. I see this, this opportunity over here with with what one of the receivers doing down Phil,

Let's take a shot here, right. He's still calling the plays, but there's somebody that's giving him advice as he's calling the plays that might help him learn and be better as he goes along because he doesn't know what he doesn't know as an inexperienced guy. What do you guys think of that? I don't think I mean that we know that if Garrett was doing that or not doing that.

But I think that McCarthy's gonna have, you know, just a good handle of the offense um, and you know that's gonna be where they've got to be on the same page with Kellen Moore. He's got you know, once you get to that point where you think, hey, he knows what I'm what I'm thinking here, he he gets it, and that'll just be a feel thing. I mean, that's why you know, we might hate four preseason games, but

they won't. They'll love the four preseason games or five, um, if they go to the Hall of Fame game, which I'm just throwing out I don't know that, and I don't want to scare anybody, but I don't think. I don't know if that's happening, But I'm just saying if they have five, they'll probably love it. What you don't want to go you don't want to go to Canton? No, sorry, I've been there. They typically only do that when the

Cowboys person is up for enshrinement. Only one of the most famous coaches might be getting Jimmy Johnson see A Finalists, Yeah, okay, cool, he could get in there. I don't think the Cowboys will be in that game, but I'm just saying I think these the preseason games I think will be important from that standpoint. Let's go to I think the preseason games will be important for that because what will happen is is they'll get a chance to see It doesn't

matter if you're playing Bengals or or whatever. You'll get a chance to do that. Sometimes you got to talk to whoever's listening. Yeah, Amber was listening. Now I was world, But you did make You're like, I don't know if if that's happened to Jason. What gives me that opinion is we saw towards the end of the year that Jason was very adamant at certain questions like well and when he said like, oh, I don't want to be in his ear during I'm like, you should be in

his ear. You should be having this kind of communication during game day, especially when it's not working out. Yea. So hopefully the communication between this two and just a different kind of respect. You know, when you're trying to gain somebody's respect that you haven't worked with before, you tend up to try harder. You know, when you're meeting someone for the first time and trying to kind of impress each other in a way, you know what, you know,

So hopefully the change is good. I'm amused by the wild extremes that we've seen from this team over the last few years. Like going back, like twenty fifteen, they led to Marco Murray go and it was like any back can run behind this line. They course corrected real quick by spending a top five pick on a running back twenty seven or eighteen whatever. It was like, Oh, we don't need a wide receiver. We're gonna be Ba,

let me Dak friendly. We're gonna handle this thing that went out the window real quick, and they sent a first round pick for Amari Cooper. Last year, it was like, we need some new blood in here, we need fresh ideas and young coaches, and now it looks like they're about to hire just I mean, you're not allowed on this staff unless you've had thirty years of NFL experience.

I mean, you know, John Fassell is the rumor, and Jim tom Sula and Mike Nolan, like we're talking guys that have been coaching the league since the eighties, Like Jerry's like enough of this learning on the job crap. We want guys that have been through the battles. So I just think it's you know, they kind of veer from one extreme to the other based on the last result, which is interesting to watch. Let's walk through some of

these names. Before I do that, I want to let you guys know we will be taking calls here later in this segment and also through the remainder of the show. So if you get guys get want to call us, tell us what you think of the new coaching hire, new coaching staff. Reportedly, you can call us eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven again eight eight eight eight five five, two, two, nine seven, and we'll take your calls that way. So let's walk through

these right now. Reportedly, Mike Nolan's going to be the defensive coordinator. He would be replacing kind of this hybrid between Rod Marinelli Chris Richard. Do you think that's an upgrade? Do you think that's about the same or are you just like, hey, we just have to wait and see on this one. Nolan. I mean, you'd like to think it's going to be an upgrade. I mean, it'll be

hard to tell. I mean, I do like what he's done in the past with you know, with those teams that he's had forty nine ers and you know, the Saints had had a good year with their linebackers. But you know what I'm intrigued about is he's run some three four right, so he's also runs, He's running He's done both. Yeah, you know, I don't know if you know if this team right now is ready for that

for that transition, but you could. It'll be interesting to see in the draft if they kind of go that route and and and maybe try to eventually get to a three four defense. I think that would surprise me because, like I mean, I you know, even in spite of an eight and eighth season, Like, I think this team is built to win now, and I think that's a at least a little bit of a transition. I mean, we talked about it on Monday, is like, they don't

have three four ends. They don't really have any edge rushers. What do they not? Though I don't think so they have. I think I think I think a lot of the guys that they use in the middle, Um Covington being one of them free agent. I get that. I'm well, most of these guys are free agent. So we're talking about basically from a standpoint, you got to replace those

guys anyway. So if you want to get a guy that he thinks better fit, great, But if you brought back the same guy, I think Covin too could play three four end. I think I actually think that Mallie Collins play three four I think they still have the same problem, which is the problem they've had for a long time. They don't have that big space eating guy in the middle. But guess what you'd have to get

him anyway? I think would probably be that guy. Maybe is he The question would be would he be able to hold up in that in that kind of role. I don't held up Jay Ratliffe was a different kind of dude. True Ron's whole thing. What would you do with d Law? I actually think d Law would be a better stand up outside linebacker. I'll tell you this. I saw. I saw the transformation that Greg Ellis made when he went from being a four three defensive end for all of his career to being a stand up

outside lineback. He was a way better pass rusher on the outside as an outside linebacker into three four than he ever was as a four three defensive end. I think that it gets and you see it all the time when teams make that transition or players get the opportunity to make that transition. If they have the right body type, which DeMarcus Lawrence does, they become just unable to block in a lot of instances because of how they're able to get far on the outside and make

that get up feel like. I think it would be a great move for didn't mean to take us down this road. My point. I don't see it happening right away,

at least I don't. I think they'll stick with what they're built to do and for the time being, but Anyway, the fun thing about a guy like Mike Nolan is that when you've been in the league that long, you've coached a lot of good defense and you've had some really bad defenses, like you can point to like, oh my god, this is so terrible, or oh my god, he's so good because he's been I mean, I think his first NFL job was in nineteen eighty seven, just before I was born, so he's done a little bit

of everything. I mean, if I'm looking for something to feel optimistic about, it's that he's got a lot of experience coaching linebackers, and the Cowboys defense will probably be as good as their two young linebackers are. Like that's that they're like they're gonna go the way of Jalen Smith and Laton vander Esh the Saints linebackers were really I mean, de Mario Davis has been a revelation for them. You would think Mike Nolan's had a hand in that,

so that it's encouraging. If he can get the most out of Layton and Jalen, I think that could be really good for them. But I don't I don't know that it's like a clear cut, just massive upgrade, right, So let's think about as Rod Marinelli is not like Chop Liver. He's a good coach, so I don't know that they necessarily upgrade. The question is if a new voice and maybe new schemes, maybe trying some different things

may make get the best out of these players. Where Rod was very said in his ways of what he wanted to do, maybe they just need to change up what they're gonna do. If he can get the most out of the linebackers and coach them into getting more takeaways, I'm in if that's all I ask. All right, let's talk about John fossil Special Teams. He's reportedly going to be the new Special teams coach. He would be replacing Keith Olquinn, which obviously they've had lots of issues this year.

What do you guys think now that I mean it speaks a lot to how bad the Special teams were. That like people are jumping for joy over a Special Teams coordinator higher, but I think they probably should because we with this story together last night, Nick that he you know, he's reportedly going to be the higher Yeah, he hasn't. His units haven't been worse than like twelfth in the league in his time in LA or he's done some uh you know, top ten perennially. Sorry, go ahead.

I was just gonna say, if Chris Jones is back, I mean, he better get his arm ready. Yeah. Hey, honestly, this guy will fake punt. Now, we saw it. Does it all the time? The Rams game that they played, he didn't they throw a fake punt against the Cowboys. Remember it was the play where they threw it and caught it and they called it a fumble, but then they came back and said it was a catch. That was a fake punt from the Rams um. So I'm just saying you with him, somebody on Twitter have to

be leary of that. He They will do a fake punt like almost once every three games, we'll get a punter that can throw. I forgot about this, but he actually going back when the Rams were in Saint Louis, he did a fake where they had the whole punt team, oh man, fake the ball to the right side like it was Tavon Austin. It was Avon Austin fake feel that because the coverage team doesn't actually look where the ball's going. Have you seen this play? He it was

the coolest thing. It was like six years ago. It's on Twitter, you can go find it. But Tavon Austin misdirected the whole coverage team all the way. Step and Bailey caught it on the right side. But the way they ran the coverage tricked the holes and they thought it was all in and Stem and Bailey just ran in a straight line. Oh yeah, untouched, which and that I mean that fakes are fakes are one thing. Like

I don't care about that though. I care about the fact that they've been top ten in all coverage metrics for like a decade. Uh, their their specialist trios in the Pro Bowl every year, Hecker zerline, even their long snappers made it to the Pro Bowl. Like, it doesn't sound like special teams are gonna be a problem if if this guy's the coordinator, and that's exciting. Once again, just give me experience, is the way I look at it.

I just wanted some experience. The thing about special teams, coach, and we've talked about this before, you've got to be aggressive when you're in the room talking about players. You've got to be able to get players. You've got to be able to stand on the table and say, this guy that just got cut by the Patriots or whoever, or by the jet this guy is who we need

as our linebacker. And part of that is having the respect of the people in the room to where they will listen and take those actions into him that right, you know, right, mia culpa Like I you know, I guess I learned something about football over the years, because when rich Bisaccio was here, I used to always be like, how many how many special teamers do you need? Like, well, why don't they go after players that can contribute on often?

You know, James Hannah, Kyle Wilber, Jeff Heath. For a time, like Keith Smith, I was like, this guy must have so much sway that all these guys that don't help the offense or the defense are on the team. But you know what, their special teams were really good more often than not. Yep, yep. And that's also about just having having the respect of everybody in room enough to where when you say that, they're like, we might not want to, but we need to give him the special

teams player, right, And that's about experience. His experience will probably help with that of all of I'm I'm excited that Kellen is coming back. If he is coming back. But of all of the news that I've heard, I think, uh, Fassil being the special team's coordinator is the most noteworthy to me because that's how bad the special teams were for this team last year. All right, let's talk about this. He related to he's Jim's son, and Jim former the

former coach of the former Giants coach. You're probably the Rod Marinelli's son in law is the defensive coordinator. It's the former Giants coach. That's yeah, that's his son's the son. Yeah, fossil. He keep saying, fast, fassil, fossil, I don't potato to whatever. Yeah, something like that. I just yeah, they do, they do. All right, Okay, let's talk about it would have been funnier,

but let's just stop. Let's let's just move on. Jim tom Sula defensive line again, Rod Marinelli's responsibility before What do you guys think there? That is another I'm I'm intrigued, slash excited by that he's coached. He kind of reminds me of ed Orgeron honestly, is like, he's no, I'm serious, I'm so serious. Like he is not you know, he doesn't wow you, and like he's not impressive. You're like, this guy's a coach. Like he looks you know, it's

got taken him to dinner with sponsor. He looks like that. He looks like the plumber. But he's coached a lot of good d line in his day, Like he knows, he knows more about it than anybody else could hope to And and he's had results. He's coached a lot of great players. Uh. And I mean everybody's loving on ed Orgeron right now because he's gonna play for the national title. But before this season he was hired, there was a lot of people like yeah, and and I

think Tom Seula is kind of similar. He had his shot as a head coach and it didn't work out very well. But yeah, he seems really like like like rough and yeah, scruffy. He just doesn't seem like he's gonna wear a hot boys change. He just wants to like hang out with pass rushers. Are you sure about that though? He? I think he just wants to like talk about hand placement technique and and old muscle cars. I feel like those are probably his only interests. Yeah,

just football. That's like, yeah, And I love coaches like that. There's a mess. They're the ones that get the most out of their players, you know. When I'm excited about today. And I don't know if he's gonna go into detail on players and all that, but I'll remember two thousand and three when Lozelle Adams was at this point in his career has been a five year lineman and he was not He was a second round pick, but he was not anyone that was you know, he had anyone excited.

They called him a bust. He had fall start penalties, and he was going to be a free agent, and everyone just said he's gone. And Parcels comes in in this first press conference and he says, well, one of the first things we need to do is we need to go get locked up. Flozell Adams is one of the best left tackles in football. And everybody's like what he's like, Oh, this guy is unbelievable. You just gotta

get you know. And he made five straight Pro Bowls and he's one of the best players in Cowboys history. So who's mccarthur gonna say. I wonder, yeah, I wonder about that. With tom Sewell, I wonder if he comes in and you know, did it and Byron Jones and then says, you know, Millie Collins, I mean what we're doing here? Was he signed yet or something? He just needs to be doing something different. That's that's what the coaches. He said, I got some for him. I know how

to use. And there's a lot of players out there, and that's why they have holdovers. That's why Kellen's here, That's why leon Lett might beer. That's why you have holdovers because you don't just come in and say this guy's good. You know, I keep saying, but let's say Rico gathers with here, he'd be like, look at him, we're gonna get him played. And then that's when another coach has been here was like, well let's talk, let me talk about that. Yeah, let's talk. But but that's

why these that's not the only reason Kellen's here. Is not the only reason you'll have holdovers, but it's one of the reasons. Is you want to just kind of get a good feel for what happened last year. What did y'all you know, what we're all doing before we go to break. I do want to jump on a call. We got a call from Portugal, John out of John What up? Oh Hello, how are you guys doing great? Yay? I was actually gonna talk about Jim fosswell, so, um, no,

never mind. No, But basically, if you have to win two out of the three phases, did Dallas actually win the special teams phase in any game last year? No? No, exactly, And so you know, yeah, their offense one a phase one week, and their defense want to phase one week. But there their special teams never want to phase. Wow, So you know, win Special Teams player of the Week one week. I don't know true for kicking sixty two

yards or whatever. But the whole thing is that now they got a chance of winning Special teams every week. So that gives them one phase and now the other two teams. You know, you're never gonna win all three phases except for you know when you win fifty right, Yeah, and that's not often in the NFL. So you know, now they have a shot at two out of the three phases. I think it's a huge higher. I think

it's a great point. Again, it gets to the heart of what I thought was the biggest challenge for this coaching staff, not necessarily the team overall, but just for the coaching staff. Last year was that they just didn't have the amount of experience that I wanted them to have as a staff. And I think this year, like you were saying, you look the number of years these guys have been doing it. I mean it is a mints. They have a lot of experience, and they have a

lot of experience doing really great work. I just like that, Jason. Sorry, Nick, Jason Garrett knows too much about football to like not think special teams is important. But it's hard not to get that impression from the way last year went. Even like it's almost like he liked Brett Maher so much because it took the pressure off him to decide what to do. He's like, well, I mean he can kick sixty two yards, so we can do that instead of

like having to make a tougher decision. You know. He's like, well, this guy can hit from sixty two. It makes my job easier. Just send him out there, which, like I said, like he knows too much about football for that to be the case, But that's how it seemed, and it's exciting to think that they could have that element of special teams where it's like a game within a game. Like you, it's they call it hidden yardage. You can

win games that way. If he can. If he can do that and really teach these guys, then that's that's going to be a very valuable commodity to have. But what I worry about is when you talk about the talent on this team, is a team like this structured well enough to be good on special teams? Because you think about it, they're about to have the highest paid, one of the highest paid quarterbacks in NFL, and receivers

as well. They have one of the highest paid running backs, left tackle, left or right guard, center, defensive end, inside linebacker, maybe cornerback. They're very, very, very top heavy. We know that. That's why everyone calls them talented, because they do have all these talented players. But when you have your top heavy, it means it's got to balance out somehow, and it balances out at the bottom of the roster and the bottom of the roster of the guys that will be

playing special teams. So if you don't have this great teacher that can teach these guys every year, then that's going to be a problem. And I think that the way this team is structured, there's a hole there. And look at the look at the Patriots. The Patriots are great on special teams, but they don't have top end players other than the quarterback. And he's not even paying that that well, they don't have those top end players

like that, so they're they're structured differently. I will say, though. The Rams are pretty top heavy. Yeah they aren't. Mean the Rams are paying Donald, they're paying golf, they're paying girly. Why isn't he coming back? They were I don't know this Peters and talib On. I mean, he might be out of contrast. Maybe I don't tell them. I don't And honestly, were they that good on special teams last year? I don't have divers in front. I just know the I mean he was there from twenty twelve and the

resume over time, Yeah, was consistently good. He's got you know, people know that he's he's a guy that's very aggressive. And we talked about those fake punts and stuff like that, like they will do some some different out of the box thinking stuff and that's what I like it. Just like Cowys were just too conservative when he came to that there was a lot of hesitation just when you watch them playing on Special Teams. It was like the the want as if the want wasn't there, like the

desire to actually go out and make the play. It was more like kind of scare like hesitation a lot of the times. But when you when you apply the whole creativity aspect of things, it allows you to create more opportunities for your players to be able to do something rather than stand there and figure out, oh, oh crap, where do I go? What do I do? Now? You know that's nice and I want to see more creativity, but more importantly for this Special Teams, I just want

to get the basic things right. There were so many times last year that guys didn't stand in the right lane, glides didn't block the right guy, Guys didn't make the right decision when it was on whether you fair catch or whether you should return it. Like. It's those kinds of situations where I need them to be coached up better and the players take accountability for doing the right

things when they're supposed to do the right things. And I think if you can get the blocking and tackling no pun intended done well for that Special Teams I think that goes a long way. And then if you add some creativity, great, But they got to get more consistent with doing the base sick things a special teams needs to do. All right, we're gonna take our final break.

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call right now from Tim and wait for us. Tim, what up? Hey, what's up? Fails? How are you doing? Hey? Good are you? I'm doing well. I'm a long time Cowboys fans for the seventies and I've seen us win with Tom Landry. I've seen us win with Jimmy Johnson. It's just almost twenty years. Everyone knows, no secret. We haven't won anything, and we'll just on the edge, you know.

I'm just sort of up telling them what I heard David Hellman say early about the team not knowing what they want to do or they fried everything from going with no running back to anybody came behind the line or two wide receivers, but is a by committee and then they're trying this new coaching scheme, and I'll tell you I was gonna be one of those fans to bail ship. I wanted to jump off. It's like, look, I just got man Cave and my base man. I was ready to have my Cowboys stuff, and I'm like,

what are we doing? No championship? So all I have to say is that I want to say what Dovetail or what David Hemmon was saying. He was like, they're trying everything, and I wonder we all know that um uh Jerry Jones is running everything and was upset with him for not having us a championship. But I have to backtrack on that and say, man, look this cat has done everything possible. He wants to win. He has done everything possible to try to bring us a championship.

And I just love what he's doing with this new coaching staff and allowing ummister McCarthy to come in and do his own thing to get his coaching staff together. So he's talking me off the lad secondly, and I let you. Secondly, I just want to her to just hit this part too. We always talk about the triplets and this, and we payed a lot of money for DeMarco and Romo and now we got our offense paying out of money. When are we going to bring back Doomsday?

I mean, not just one guy. I mean the key to me to them Super Bowls has been the defense. You guys know we had the number one defense in ninety two, not one made of Pro Bowl. So when are we going? When is that going to be the focus? And put some guys it's not getting burned, you know, whatever it is. But thanks for your time. Hey, look, I'm like, go go go score Cowboys. Appreciate the time, fellas. Thank all you do. I listen you all the time. It's probably my second time calling in, so keep doing

the keep the good work. Thank you, appreciate it. Sam, thanks a lot for the call. Let's dive into that. One of the things that he said that I thought was really interesting, he said, letting Mike McCarthy pull together his staff. It certainly seems like in this instance, Mike McCarthy is having a very large say, if not completely, designing his staff as he chooses it to be, which is one of the things I've always thought the head coach should be allowed to do, and it hasn't always

worked out like that. What do you guys think about that dynamic. I think that it happens way more than you think. I mean here, I mean everyone goes back to the fact that Jason Garrett was hired before the head coach. I mean, that's what Jerry Jones thought was going to be a you know, a good young coach, and you know, he was a good young coach. It just got to the point where he wasn't as great

and they needed him to be great. Fans like tim they need that and rightfully, so that's what they expect. But I don't I think for the most part, Jason Garrett got to hire who he wanted to hire. I mean, it was just a timing situation. And then here's a guy and then he brought him in. And do we know that Mike McCarthy got to hire Kellen Moore. I mean it might have been part of the deal. Kellen

Moore's on staff. Yeah he made that comment, but that might have been Jerry's he's here, we'll see what happened. Or maybe it's the flip of that, maybe as a part of the interview process. Maybe it's just kind of understood, well, if you're going to take the job here, some stuff that comes with the job. Oh I love that guy. Great, let's go. You know, so you just never know how

that goes. I just think that the fact that there are all these other guys that we mentioned today, who are these longtime guys who in some instances have relations that you can tie back to McCarthy, it seems as though at least he has a heavy input into what's what's being done whatever, whatever, whether it's Kellen Moore or somebody else, like whatever was in place, it wasn't enough that McCarthy said no, and he could have. I mean, and like this, I don't I don't know. I don't

think Dallas Cowboys are great. I'm not sure like Mike McCarthy's impressed by like I can't turn down the Cowboys, like he coached the Green Bay Packers for fourteen years, you know, Like, I don't think he's impressed by like the magnitude of this flagship franchise. I think he wants to win, obviously, and he wants a head coaching job. But if Jerry Jones had put these crazy stipulations on the higher he'd been like, okay, I'll okay, I'll coach Carolina.

I don't care, like I'll just I'll get a job. I'm not worried about it. So I think that it must not have been this drastic deal, Like, yeah, he's like, I love Kellen Moore, been watching them all year, I don't care if he's on the staff, and so I mean, yeah, I don't think it's it's that big of a deal. Um. Really, my main impression from listening to him is I really I don't have a grudge with Jason Garrett, but that

call is like why it needed to happen. Like me selfishly, I'm just like, finally we can we can cover the team and give feedback and input on the team and the response won't be sarcastic, Like I think people are just ready for something new. They're ready to believe that things can change, and that wasn't going to happen if Jason Garrett had come back. So it's it's nice to hear people sound enthusiastic about the future instead of sarcastic.

I mean a lot of it is, and we all have our own, like our own teams that we root for outside of the Cowboys for our own personal reasons, right, And the one thing that you never want to be You never want to find yourself in a situation where you really have no comeback to your friends who are giving you, who are talking to you about your team giving you the business. Yeah, you don't want to be in it. And that's what I think a lot of Cowboys fans were getting to is they had no more comebacks.

Like it was like we we literally I have no hope right now. You know, if fans want to have hope, they want to be able to every year when you go to training camp. Fans want to have hope. This year is going to be our year. And I think Cowboys fans are getting the point where they just didn't have any hope, and that's the part we have to work.

I know we kind of argued about that down the final stretch of the season, Like I really do believe if Jason Garrett had come back in twenty twenty, we would have lost a decent number of fans, maybe not forever, but until until he was gone at least tuned out and saying I'm just like yeah, like maybe they watched on Sunday, but like they're not going to listen to this show five days a week or you know, interact

with us all that type. I really think it would have affected the team or the you know, the fan base whatever. All right, let's take a call from Tom in Pennsylvania. Tom, what up? Yeah, Hi, guys, good show. Seems like overall this year our health is pretty good on the team. And I was just wondering when they changed coaches, does he bring in his own strength and conditioning coaches and are in trainers or does it they remain the ones who had last year. All Right, that's

a really good question. I mean, you know, it's it's tough to to know that answer. I will say from the athletic trainers, they have been here since um, you know, back in the days of Jimmy and even some of them were um with Landry I believe as interns. So they've been around a while and they haven't changed those guys. Um, strength coaches can be a little bit different, but for the most part, some of those guys have have stayed

on to different staffs. I know with Parcels, he tried to make a change with the with the coach that was here, but then he ended up keeping them. So, um, there hasn't been a lot of turnover there. But but I think if he if he's got a guy that he really really likes, yeah he I mean, he could definitely do that. And I mean, I say it's a good question because like that stuff is a affected by every coaching hire, and you know, those aren't guys that

are making gaudy salaries either. So it's something to keep in mind. And I don't get the impression that there's gonna be wide sweeping changes, but I think I mean, a couple people here and there could come and go. I mean, Mike Wois, it comes to mind. He's I mean he's been coaching the NFL for how many years? Yeah? Ever, and I mean at some point you would think he's going to retire. Maybe that could be something that happens

because of this. I'm not sure, But I don't get the impression that there's going to be like these sweeping staff changes. So it is something to watch though. Yeah. I think one thing to note too is and and this Jerry has told set this publicly many times and we've seen it. We saw a play out last week. Jerry is a loyal guy. So when it comes down to it, you talk about those guys that have been there for a very, very long time. Yeah, some of

that matters. It matters because Jerry is a loyal guy, and Jerry feels like if you're loyal to him, he'll be loyal to you. And so for some of those guys, I suspect that, you know, there may be some changes that that the new head coach can make, but I think there's some guys that are probably gonna come with the dinner, you know, think about this. Bill Parcels came in in two thousand and three and he made a huge change to the UM training room. Okay, he didn't.

He didn't change a player. He just turned the air conditioner down to fifty nine degrees and it literally he was like, get out of the training room. No food in here. This isn't a place where you come and hide from the media. You sit, sit down here. If you hurt, get your ankle tape, get some treatment, do whatever you need to do. It's gonna be freezing cold in here. You don't want to be in here. You want to get out of here. I don't want people

to hurt in here running around. That was a huge change. Didn't change one guy. So you can make a big change without making some of those That makes me feel bad for the training staff in the snuggies on, but I didn't know that. I bet it accomplished the purpose. I meant, guys were not hanging out in the training room anymore. Yeah, all right, let's take a call from Robin las Vegas. Rob, what up? Hey guys? Hey Robin.

I think this is a really good high I think it's everything we needed in the sense of, you know, a guy coming in with respect and a ring matters. Because it's been about fourteen years or so, I don't I can't remember how many years the way Phillips never really won anything as a head coach, and obviously Jason Garrett never did, so I just think him coming in and plus the team that seemed like always stood it all way to get to the next step was Green Bay.

So these players look at it like, Wow, this guy, you know, he's always eating us. And I know Aaron Rodgers was a huge part of that, but you got to give this guy credit for that. I think we don't always agree on Jason Garrett. I don't think Jason Garrett was horrible. I think he was good. But the one thing we kind of agree on is he wasn't

a very good game day coach. He was just so many times where we look like white white he hunting now when he would go for it then and I and I just think McCarthy will be better on the during the game. I just think you'll just be a better game day coach. And I just think he brings a little tougher I don't know, attitude, And I'm not saying he's a screamer or anything like that. I just think what I watched that interview with Peter King was

really interesting. I never really paid attention to Mike McCarthy, but the more I'm watching it, the one thing I came to this guy's hungry. This guy wants to prove everybody that you know what you're firing me if that thirteen years is going to be a mistake. And and I could see this, this guy's hungry, I mean to do what he did the McCarthy papers or whatever. That's

when the guys would would do that. So I think it's a really good higher And I like the fact that he's gonna call the plays all right, oh alva, oh yeah. One of the things he talked about, I

did want to talk about it real quick. As the analytics part obviously that you know, it's been well documented that he kind of put a team together of some coaches and they would meet as a staff, and they would kind of treat it like they were another To go to the point you ask about what he's been doing for last year, and I think it's more impressive than even the twelve or thirteen years in Green Bay.

And the reason why is we talk so much about Jason Garrett and just coaching staff with a little bit of arrogance of we do it our way, we do it this way, this is the way we do it, and a lot of coaches are that way. It's not just Jason Garrett. You gotta get set in your ways to be able if this really happened like this, and I think it did, to be able to step back and say, all right, let's do some things different. Let's let's take a different approach here, let's let's look at

different ways to do things. And you know, this guy's won a Super Bowl, but he's still taking the time, like the caller said to say, I'm going to see if there's a different way to do it. I'm gonna get another shot. When I get another shot, I'm gonna be even more prepared than I was before. I think that is very impressive. And so we've talked about what's Garrett gonna do. Is he gonna take us do the same thing. I don't know. You gotta be in a way not so set and do what we do and

say I need to do what works. And I think that's something. You know, it's still early here, but I think if if he's willing to do that, it goes a lot. It's hard to change people that are older and set in their ways. I mean, I'm stubborn to we do what we do. So for him to make a change, if that really happened, I think it's impressive. I do too, But I want to I want to

actually see what that means. I mean, and even even in the even you know, the interviews and basically felt like a pr campaign honestly, and good on him, I mean, that's that's awesome, But what does that actually mean? Does it mean you're going to be more aggressive on fourth down and go for two? Does it mean you've got people given you probability input like John Harbaugh? Does it mean you know, does it mean more play action? Does it mean passing on early down. It's like, what exactly

does that mean? Or are you just throw out the word analytics because you know it's popular with the football community right now. I think it's well more, way more thought out than that. I think I do to you when you listen to what he was saying in the article, he basically set up a whole his idea of what

the entire team would look like. I want to say it was like six guys that would be a part of a video team, eight guys that would be a part of an analytics team, and their whole job together as one group, would be to understand how analytics play into football and make sure that the coaching staff and the players are put into position where they take advantage of all of those numbers and all that data to

give them the best opportunity to win. That may be game stuff, that may be training stuff that maybe whatever it might be, they want their whole job. That's a fourteen person staff. Their whole job would be to figure out how data works in football and make sure that the Cowboys would be at the front end of using all that data to make the best decisions. My thought was always not you guys know from around the office

it's probably to go. When I first saw the article and I sent it to you guys and ill that at that point, I was like, if they're gonna make a coaching change, just the guy. I want the reason why. It's not so much necessarily that he was doing the stuff run analytics or whatever. My thought was just you take any professional that's already good at what he does,

which his resume says he's already a good coach. You give him a year and you say, go away from your profession and go figure out how to be better than what you were before. They're gonna come back a ton. I think better if you give me a year to go and just sit in isolation and figure out how I can be a better how I can do media better. I'm gonna come back with way more ideas, way smarter, way better to handle the job than I was when

I left. And that to me was why I said this is a great higher and I figured he was going to be a guy that was gonna be highly sought after. I think he got more interviews than anybody that was on out there searching this offseason, and I think it's why he blew the Cowboys away from the moment he got there and first started talking, I think he blew him away. And it's very hard not to draw the pair of well of Andy Reid spending a year learning college spread concepts, going to Kansas City and

they've basically been in the playoffs every year since. He hasn't had in seven seasons. He's only had one season of less than ten wins. That's a May Reid. And by the way, Andrey was a good coach while he was in Philly. His voice got it got stale there and it was time to move on. And he got to Kansas City and he is he's been killing it. It's I mean, you know, the priest homes, Oh my god, why can't I think of the guy's name, the freaking

Willie Rofe geez, Oh my god. Like those Chiefs of the mid two thousands, they were great, but it's like they were a laughing stock for a chunk there like that. Mike McCarthy's one loss in twenty eleven was to a terrible Chiefs team, And it's I mean, but you don't think of him that they morenially they are. They have the success that the Cowboys covet so dearly where at I mean for seven years, you know they're going to be in the mix. And I mean even before Mahomes

got there, they've been in the mix. So that's Rob. I hadn't even gotten that far. Rob said on our

joint show on Monday. He was like, success for McCarthy would be being in the conversation every year for three, four or five, six, seven years, And that's like such a novel concept to the Cowboys over the last twenty years, that would be of course, of course, well but okaytion Cowboys have been in the conversation and make the playoffs, of course, But I mean but that honestly, yes, they need to get to a conference title game, they need

to win a super Bowl. But what makes it so frustrating, what made the Garrett air is so frustrating, is that you never built on a good year ever, ever, ever, And that like even if they even if they don't get to a super Bowl in the first three years of McCarthy's tenure, if they're in the mix every single year,

it would be an improvement on what they've had. I don't want to pile one on Garrett on just on that that's been the way it is for the last twenty hasn't had back to back success in right, it's been twenty in a while, and that's why I think gets just almost as important as winning a Super Bowl as just being a consistently nine, ten, eleven, twelve win franchise. All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We're back next Wednesday. We'll have more talk for you, guys. I'm

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