Cowboys Break: Can Dak Win a Title?

we have Bryan brought us with a stuffy nose. He said that he wanted to be on radio today, so he's here filling in for Dave, who took his place yesterday on his show. Yes, ma'am, so welcome to thank your old show. I appreciate that this going to be an old school break, old old school back in the day. Yeah, when it was the three of us? Were you on the show back now? No? I didn't think so it was just the three of us, right? Or do we have somebody else with us? I think I would look

a little older. What are you trying to say about it? I'm just saying, okay, all right, how are you guys doing good? Good? Good? All right, Well, a lot of things have happened since we last met. There was a Super Bowl that went down, there was a change in LC well, we got the hiring of Kellen Moore. That's basically all news right now. But let's try to figure out a way to correlate this to the Super Bowl

and what happened. A lot of people try to tie in what has been going on with Sean McVey him being a young guy kind of renewing and turning things around for the Rams and Kellen Moore. Some of the things that that you've heard from people such as Dak Prascott, Jerry Jones, they seem to speak of him very very well. They say he's a very smart guy, has some creativity in him. What are your expectations from this change and seeing what a young guy like McVeigh has been able

to do. You're taking them to the Super Bowl. But at the end of the day, we saw what happened in the score. They were playing against the Patriots, who still came out with the win. But like you mentioned earlier, Nick, when when I saw you out in the hallway, they only score how many points? Yeah, they scored three. Sean mcvay's done a great job, obviously, and he is a

great coach. And you know, there's a lot of guys in the world that look like Julian ed Edelman and Cole Beasley, but there's only a few of them that actually do those jobs. And so there's a lot of young coaches who are you know, innovative and all that, and that they're not all gonna be like Sean McVay. And maybe Kellen Moore is going to be like that. Maybe he's not. But you know, old school always doesn't

always win, but it does. And when when you're when Bill belichicks is yea, And I mean I said this before. I mean the Cowboys score and if they get to the Super Bowl, I mean, if he could shut down the Rams, he would have shut down this offense in my opinion. So you know, I mean this whole like I only scored three. Good luck within anybody scoring against that the way that he coached it. Yeah, they're a

team that this game was one in preparation. This game was won in the weeks off before you know, there's McVeigh is a big admire of Bill Belichick. A matter of fact, they text each other. You know, Bill's always kind of I had a feeling that Bill Belichick knew that he was going to play Sean McVeagh. I had a feeling that he, you know, as the season wore on, he's probably thinking, this is the one team I'm gonna have to prepare for, this is the one offense I'm

gonna have to get ready for. And what he was able to do was neutralize things that McVeigh does really well. And that's where I think that if you talk about game plans, mcveigh's game plan didn't clearly didn't match what New England had. New England had an idea of, Okay, this is how we're going to attack him. If he's going to use this communication device and talk to his quarterback fifteen seconds before to kind of we're not gonna show him this. We're not gonna show him affront. We're

gonna show him a six two front. We're gonna play a goal line front the whole day, and we're gonna see that he and they made They made Jared Golf have to win that game, throwing the football on his own, on his own. They they played outstanding coverage, They were able to get, you know, the rams the line had done a great job with protection all year long until this game. You know, they really this was a game that they really struggled, and they struggled because the coverage

and they confused the quarterback. This game again was one This game was won the week before the Super Bowl in preparation, like they were like videotape and practice or something like that something, honestly, And I want to just clarify for fans out there listening, Yeah, that's happened when the rams and pages, Yeah, that happens. That happened. Maybe not just when the rams. Maybe we need to think about it anyway from what from what I just want to clarify for fans that may not have heard what

Brian was talking about. Was essentially there was an article that came out after the Super Bowl that said that the pay Riots were aware of the fact that Sean McVay would kind of help through the headset, would kind of help his quarterback and this is illegal, would help his quarterback by telling him he'd see how the defense was lining up, and then he would give him here's what we're gonna do, and here's what you need to be paying attention to and what you need to know

about that is fifteen seconds before the play clock ends is when communication gets gets cut off. Now, what the Patriots did, supposedly was they ran into each each situation with two plays. They would show one thing before fifteen seconds and then they show something else after fifteen seconds. And that changed what And now your quarterback golf is having to adjust on the fly, which is not what he was having to do most of the season. Now

here's the interesting part about that. The interesting part about that is I read an article back during the season, this was like late December where it talked about how other teams during the month of December had started to figure that out as well. The Patriots weren't the first to do this right, and that was the reason why, at least in this article saying is why they struggled offensively in the abouth of December. Now here we go the other thing to notice, the y you one tied

us back to the Cowboys. There was one outlier in that time in December throughout the playoffs, and that was the game against the Cowboys. And notoriously, notoriously, what they say publicly here is we do what we do. We

don't worry about the opponent. Right. That would suggest to me that maybe they didn't go into the game saying we're gonna do the same thing, and it allowed the Rams that they played right into the what the Rams wanted to do as opposed to the Patriots and what they did in the Super Bowl, what they did exactly the opposite. And they were so successful. You know when Marion Elli was coaching with the Buccaneers and they were really good with that, Derek Brooks and Warren Sapp and

all that. And you can have Hall of Fame type players, you can do what you do. I mean, you can do that. I'm sure the eighty five Bears did what they did, absolutely, but the Patriots don't have those guys. But they did what what what will work? And I think that's a it's a stubbornness that we've talked about a lot offense and defense. We're just gonna run over them. Well,

Joe Looney's not going to run over you. You have to do it differently, and so hopefully you can learn that the Cowboys and other teams can learn from that. This is where the Patriots are different than everybody else's. They have a game plan each week to whoever they're playing, they figure out who they want to stop. When they played Jason Witton, you know, several years ago, they didn't

worry about Dez Bryant. They worried about Jason Witton. And that's where Belichick is so much different than a lot of other coaches. He comes in with a plan each week. They their guys not only have to be smart, but they have to be able to play on the fly. Like Derek was talking about, you have to be able to say, Okay, if you're gonna give us eleven personnel, like what the Rams are doing with the three wide receivers the whole game, Okay, we'll match you, but this

is how we're going to match it. And so by giving the different looks and being able to play a different defense every week, then you know, it's like the Rams are talking about, Hey, we knew what they were doing. They line three guys up on one side, they line an end up over here, They're going to run the twist to this side. We knew it. We knew what was going on. That's scouting. Belichick doesn't let you do that.

I guarantee you when I when we get ready to play New England next year, I will watch the Patriots, and it won't be the same defense. Whatever I say during that week, don't even listen because whoever they're playing, whoever, whoever they're playing before the Cowboys, and whoever they play after the Cowboys will have a different front. And that's coaching. And I'm sure everybody out there right now is going, why can't we do that? And that's a good question.

Why can't we do that? The interesting part about that, and Nick, you and I had this conversation earlier this week when we were talking about Brady versus Belichick. You know that whole discussion. My thought was, if you look at how they do that and the fact that how many how many coaches have left that New England system and nobody's been able to replicate this around the NFL. There's something that that man knows how to do as a coach that is just special. It is just special,

and nobody else has been able to do it. They know what he's doing because all those coaches have left and been head coaches, none of them have been able to replicate it. So if you want to talk about, you know, Brady versus Belichick, in my opinion, look at the delta between Brady and the next coach, and then Belichick and the next coach Ian Brady and the next quarterback, and Belichick and the next coach. The difference between Belichick

and the next coach is vast. It's way bigger than say, you know, you you drow the quarterback Brees or Rogers, like the delta between them and Bree and and and Brady. I don't think it's huge. I think it's huge when you talk about coach and not. That's the difference right now with what the Patriots are doing versus what every other team then. And that's also a combination. I mean, it's the continue you put that together right too, and

the continuity that they've had and all that. I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that they lost to the Lions, they lost to the Titans this year of the Patriots, both of them pretty convincingly. And you look at the coaches of those teams came from the Patriots. Both came from well the general manager of the Lions too, and the head coaches, you know obviously. Yeah, so they had that Titans. They can be anybody else, but they couldn't be anybody else. Yeah, Yeah, No, if you have

an understanding. And that's what again makes I think makes Belichick so unique, like you're talking about Derek, is his ability to say, you know what, and I think he goes all the way back to when he was with Parcels and that he had so many dynamic players on defense that he was able to morph into a lot of different fronts and a lot of different schemes in order. And that's where they look at themselves and say, hey, listen,

this guy fits our scheme. This way. He could be he could be a nickel tackle, he could be a rush in, he could be a stand up linebacker if he has to. They get players that could play a lot of different ways, and that way it allows them to have the flexibility in their schemes to beat you every week with a difference because even though the players aren't great players, versatile players versatile players, versatility is more

important than versatility and smarts is more important. Look at mccordy, the play that he made on the busted coverage down the middle of the field. That's just playing with awareness. That's not something to Bill Belichick. That's Belichick knowing that that kid right there could play for me. Because he's smart. The Broncos they play a three four right, and the Redskins play a three four right, and Cowboys play a four to three and the Patriots play what right. Yeah,

that's the point of everything. You can't really you know. And it's the same with Parcels and now gets Belichick's the same way. When Parcels was here, we was like, well, is he a defensive coach or is he offensive coach? Because he kind of sounds like an offensive coach, and I Belichick's kind of the same way, you know. I mean, yeah, he was defensive guy for the Giants, but he's kind of now and you know, an offensive coach. So the

coaches are the same as the players. They can play three four or four three and as a linebacker, you can play safety. Yeah you gave a guy two weeks to prepare for you. Yeah, I guarantee that it's really a guy like that. Well, the same thing if you look down with college football, with what's going on. The Alabama's kryptonite now is Clemson. Clemson's figured out. Okay, if we have a quarterback that can do this, this gives

them problems. And you know that's where you have to kind of you gotta win the ACC and then you got to go and win these playoff games. But I'll say this about saving two, like and Clemson really was no shot to Alabama when you gave Saban three to four weeks and in that first game, because you remember that they've beat him and it's been close those championship games.

But two years ago it was the first game. Yeah, which which you get it like a month, and Saban's really good with that, just like he was in this game against Oklahoma. But you know, maybe the one week is a little different. Saban, I think is like Belijick. You give him that long and I guarantee you the Pages will have a bye week before Dallas, guaranteeing it right now, bye week Dallas in October. Well you might catch him as long as it's in October. I'm okay.

I think there's only two because it's someone to go in December. Now get the league. The league very well can make us go play that thirsty night game to start the year. Yeah, the stuff is gonna be Kansas City on No. No, there's only it's been reported. Sorry, it's been reports. Scherene Williams came in Mother Football came in and said, no, it's Bears, Bears and Packers. One hundred years Bears, Packers. They're not going to have the

Super Bowls. You're not play going with the Bears and the Packers for to celebrate a hundred years of football. They're gonna go with Bears and Packers. Hey, one hundred years is important. I guess really doesn't. Sunday Nights Writs and Chiefs like that. We see. That's that's why I thought. Because the only two home games the Patriots Habiants playoff teams or Kansas City in Dallas. Yeah, so that's why I figured. I figured Kansas City. That's like they like

to match up those previous year playoff games. That was a game that's worth repeating. They didn't want to see that they did that. Did they do that two years ago? Kansas City went up there one? Yeah, it was two years ago. I would it's the only time a Thursday night team has ever won. I would I would repeat that one. Well, I know that boys on a Wednesday night game. Yeah, remember that, that's true. That was the famous Yeah brought us first game with this was that

first Oh yeah, I just m f the fans. It was a yd But either way, it was good. I was all over those giant fans. But but you know, somebody brought this to a tense You talking about putting up a fight Fox. Um. You know you think the Cowboys and Patriots, and then that's a scheduled game for Fox, who they don't get the Patriots a lot. Yeah, they're gonna be putting up a fight to lose that one. Yeah, So,

which I don't think you should. I think that's the kind of game that's gonna have a lot of excitement later in the season. You don't need to waste that on an opening There are other matchups you can do an opening night when you're gonna get everybody to watch anyway because it's opening night, right, But yeah, I think you say that one for a little later. You make

that a Sunday night football game. To the point we're making is is you know you don't think he gives he gives us a crap about the fourth preseason game, probably not even the third preseason game. He's going to be focused on Dallas all years, So you don't want that week one. No, Yeah, that's true. All right, let's take it back to Kellen Moore. And don't you You did a great Let's get back there, and I'll be the first one to say, you know, I've changed my

tune in this whole thing. I had a real issue with it last week before it was official, but then now I'm trying to be more open mind the bar it just because there are certain people that I mean, you deserve a chance and you never know how they may surprise you, right, And then I try to think and go back to myself, my own experiences in life, and you know, had I not been given a chance, I wouldn't be anywhere, right, And I've been able to

overcome obstacles and there's still work that needs to be done, an improvement. But at the end of the day, everyone deserves a chance, like, let's go for it. But are you guys expecting kell And to be able to make an immediate impact on this team right at the beginning or do you see this more happening as like a progression that maybe towards the middle of the season it kind of starts picking up. Okay, I want to answer your question with a question that I want these guys

to answer. Will Garrett allow him to be able to call plays as he sees fit for him to then be able to do some of the things that are outside the box and creative and all the stuff you talk about. Is he going to allow him to do that or is this going to be Hey, I know you're going to call the plays, but right now, I want to run the ball. Right now, I want to run a toss left, just like what you allow your

son and daughters to do. You know, when you give a chance to go out until ten o'clock or you know, if they come back at nine fifty eight, then the next you know, that's what you do. You give him a little bit of a leash to see what he can do. But I mean this is we all know Jason's gonna be coaching for his life here. So um yeah, you're gonna allow him to do those things in the preseason early on, but but not when it matters. No. I mean, you know, you you know, a preseason, first

couple of games, we'll see what happens. But if they need to, you know, if he needs to do what he needs to do. We saw it with the offensive line coach. I mean, I think he's gonna give him

a chance to do well. And you know, like this last year, some of the things that we're being talked about, like, oh, is he gonna start calling the place, you know, take over that role from Lenihan, And there were some talks, well, let's just let Lenihan do it and kind of keep it a little bit separate, although he's still the head coach, but kind of blame it. It's not really blame it, but you know what I'm saying to say, kind of

like let him fall on the sword. Let let Lenihan kind of fall down on his own and and you still have a way out, a little bit of a way out with this now with a year contract happening, this is one that if he needs to step up, he's going to have to make a decision here and really play for his job. Well, the front office allow him to do that, that's the question. Allow him to be the primary play caller, because it sounds like to me,

just kind of bumping into folks. Yeah, it sounds like to me that he wanted to be the play caller, and they were they were like, no, look Jason, yes, yes, yeah, that's kind of the way I yeah, and when this year this year, yes, this year, Yeah, that Jason, you know, when we're talking about things that like, you know, Okay, you're coaching for your job. I'm I'm from the school of I'm the school if I'm gonna get fired, I want to get fired doing what I need to do.

I don't need Derek to get me fired. I could. I I'm capable of getting myself fired or could or I'm capable of getting for getting a contract extension, right, you know, now you know to me to me, he he obviously said, okay, let me call plays. No, you need to continue to do what you're gonna do, and we'll we'll work that, we'll work that route. And so you know, if if he tries to jump in and do things with with with with Kellen, I wonder what

kind of pushback he's going to get from the front off. Yeah, and I think with Parcels when I keep going back to him, but he wasn't the offensive coordinator, but he kind of was. He even said so much. I mean, hey, let's make sure we get the ball to Barber here

on the out side. Yeah, that's my point, not necessarily left or right or exactly exactly calling the play, but let's let's give it to him, you know, And so I think there's ways maybe that Jason can kind of be a servant, And I don't know if that he doesn't do that, but you know, but we don't know what he does and doesn't do. But I guess that's my point is to answer your original question. I do think that if Jason allows Kellen to call the plays as he sees fit, then I think fans will see

a tangible difference in the creativity of the play calling. Now, if he doesn't, then what you're probably going to see is something that's more familiar to what Jason likes to do. Right, And then it doesn't really matter who's calling the plays

because ultimately they're being guided in a certain way. Now that's who totally different than every head coach has a right and will say, here's the overall philosophy of what we want to do from a standpoint of game planning offensively and defensively in this game, because you want the

two to be coordinated together. But if he does that and then steps away and lets him really call the game and put some of the plays in that maybe plays and aren't traditionally seen Nick's fleeflicker like that kind of stuff, then That's where I think you could maybe see the benefit of having a guy like Kellen Moore, who played in a wide open offense at Boise State, who might do some of that stuff as opposed to some of the stuff that Jason has seen and done

here with the Cowboys for twenty something. I guess, and coach, do you fall into the philosophy of you are what you surround yourself with the fact that he's been here for so long now and he's mainly been around here in this system, does that concern you? There you go, this is what he can do. This is where I think it's gonna turn. I don't think Jason Garrett's gonna lean on Kellen Moore. I think he's gonna lean on

John Kittena. That's who I think. I think I think he I think he feels like he again whispering, talking to people, bumping into people. They wanted to They wanted to bring in Kellen Moore, they wanted it makes me um John kitten At last year and then and then Scott said, no, let's let's go with Kellen. Let's go I'd feel more comfortable. This is where I think is gonna have. Yeah, you can have Kellen Moore. Okay, great, Kellen Moore, let's see you do your job. Great, let's you,

but you watch what happens here. You watch how when we all get to training camp and stuff, we'll watch and you'll see how much interaction that Jason Garrett has with John KITTENA. I think if if Kellen Moore starts to slide the three and five recovery plan will be John Kitten to take this thing over. John Kitten had got Jason Garrett's job. If you remember when they were won in seven, who was the quarterback that saved him to get this job, John Kittna. So he's gonna lean

on John KITTENA. I don't not to say that Kellen Moore won't have a chance, but if things start to get the three and five and you start to see a little bit of a switch, watch for Kellen or excuse me, John Kitten would be more involved in that. Let's go ahead and take our first break when we come back. Let's change the topic and start talking about the e sekil Alia in his future here with the

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Since there have been news or little rumors going around about Ezekiel Elliott and possibly doing it hold out this upcoming year, just thought it might be good to discuss this whole subject, although Jerry Jones he basically dismissed it and kind of said, why talk about something that is not a fact yet, or why worry about something that hasn't happened an earthquake? Right? Why worry about it an

earthquake that has not happened yet, right? So, just wanted to get your thoughts on this and do you actually see this as a possibility of actually happening with Zeke and doing that, and if so, how would this affect what the Cowboys are doing around all their other plans. Well, I don't know if it's um you know, I think these things start out probably like there might be a rumor. But I do think that the you know, agents have

you know, they want to kind of throw it out there. Hey, let's least talk contract here and maybe hold hold out could happen. But you know, he's been out in the offseason before or I don't think he's gonna miss you know, game checks or anything like that. I do think it's something the Cowboys needed to look at, and not not because of a threat of a holdout, but because, in my opinion, after three years, you want to start this clock earlier. If you're gonna resign him, I'm gonna I'm

gonna start this five year deal. And I'd rather do it now than try to do it after four or five years. I do it now. I think that's what the Rams did with Gurley. You can make the case of whether or not that's a good idea or not. He's been banged up, but I would do that. I don't care about the holdout. Jerry stood by him for a long time, you know, last year, through all that situation. I don't think it's gonna hold out. I really don't, but I think that the smart thing to do business

wise would be to make a deal. I've got mixed feelings right now on this because I think, well, I know my belief with regards to running back running backs by and Larges, don't give him a second contract. Obviously, with the Zekeel Elliott, it's a little bit different because I'm starting to wonder if he is, if he's at transcendent hype running back that really can that you're actually still gonna get production out of him throughout a second protract.

I don't know that. What I what I know is this last year, for the first time in his career, by the end of the year, I felt like they had shredded him. I felt like he was absolutely and and so that does And you talked about Gurley. As I was watching the Super Bowl, I'm thinking, you're not gonna convince me number one that there wasn't something wrong

with him. If there was, If there was nothing wrong with him, then everybody in Saint Louis, in the front office and in the coaching staff needs to be fired because they spent all that money. But my point, they spent all that money on that running back, and to say you didn't use him just because you decided not to use him, then that's on you. I don't believe that.

I think he probably still got some injuries. But it does make you wonder, then is it worth even when you have a really good running back like a Todd Gurley and in this instance Zeke, is it worth putting that money on the end. I like what Nick says, if you're gonna do it, you better start that clock early so you can get as much of that as you can. But it does make me wondering. I am on the fence on this one on whether I would

give a second contract to any running back. And in this instance, is Zeke transcendent enough and is he healthy enough for me to say I can get my money's

worth on a second contract. I'll tell you what. You look at the numbers of these running backs for average per year lebyon Bell at fourteen point five, Todd Gurley at fourteen point three, David Johnson at thirteen million dollars a year, and then it dips Devonte Freeman at eight point two, Sean McCoy at eight eight million, and then say Quon Barkley, that's a rookie deal for him, that's all guaranteed. Seven point seven, Jerk McKinnon at seven five,

Fournette at six seven. Seriously, that's what I'm saying. Jet McKinney. Yeah, Yes, that's what I'm saying. He's a good running back, but he ain't that good. But that's what I'm saying. Lamar Miller actually makes more money than Ezekiel Elliott. Okay, now you have to figure out where is ze That's what I'm saying. Where does zeke? Where does he fall in the bell girly John Johnson, Freeman, McCoy, Barkley range. You want his valuation or fifteen his valuation. He's gonna say

I should be the high. I'm just asking back what he's doing his ninety percent of the offense. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's his life. He's led the league in rushing two of the three years. You take six games away from him in the second year. I don't know if he's going to lead the league, but he's he was out there, you know, he would definitely be up there. Um, whatever I do though with that money, and I told you this yesterday. I'm making I'm frontloading that, I'm taking the guarantees,

and I'm taking his high salaries early. I'm taking him right now because if something happens in two or three years and you're looking at a David Johnson type of situation, or I had to say, Larry Johnson, if you really want to go back with the guys that were beat up a lot, and then then maybe if you have to make a change, You've you've taken a lot of the Brunne contract. You're right about that, because David Johnson's guarantee average guarantee a year is eight point two. Yeah.

I mean, so you think about that. I mean that's I'm guaranteeing his first two years. Sixty three percent of his contract is guaranteed. David Johnson's yea, So I mean, and he's he's unrestricted in twenty twenty two. I'm resigning Cooper, which is a law Zeke, but I'm their contracts to me are going to be completely different. I would I would do Cooper's deal more back ended, and I would do Zeke more front ended. And then you have Dak.

That's another time, man, you got time, you got another year. Yeah, yeah, don't. I don't think you worry about that this year. You don't, there's no need to. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask a question? If you could only and this was presented to me on Twitter today, if you could only sign three Cooper, Prescott, Lawrence or Elliott? You can you only sign three? Who do you sign? Which three? Um, you're definitely keeping your quarterback? Wait? Wait, wait, wait, we're

talking about longest overall overall in the next couple of years. Yeah, you can only sign three of those four? Who do you keep? Well, I mean you're definitely doing the quarterback. Yes, I'm definitely doing the quarterback. Do you want to go back to the days of trust Carter? Yeah? No, you were put on this earth. I'm okay. What what are the future drafts looking like? No? No, no, No, quarterbacks are getting paid. I don't care quarterbacks getting paid. In

my opinion, okay, getting paid. I would say pass rusher needs to get paid because he's not just the pass rusher. He's also a leader, sure, leader for your defense. And I think I got to pay the wide receiver, see I because the one that's hardest, the one that's easiest to replace. No, matter how good he is, is the running back that's that was That was that my answer to the question. That's exactly what I said. I said,

I think the running back. And even though Ambar, You're right, like eighty percent of the offense went through Zeke, you know, but I feel like though the other ones I have to have. I mean, we saw what happened when this team didn't have a wide receiver, yeah, and then we need what happened when this team get run the ball? Yeah? But if there were three and five running the ball.

But you go and find you go and look around the NFL and find me a lot of you find me the same number of wide receivers that are that you get in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds as you have good running backs that you find in the third, fourth and fifth rounds. It's all about replacement value, right, So even if Zeke and I know Zeke is a great running back, I'm taking nothing away from him, But my point is you can find really really great running

backs later in the draft. Point and so it's to replace him is not as difficult as having to replace a pass rush or a place a quarterback. I agree, I agree, But how much has Dak. Right, then, how much can Dak give you? Like he gone better? Can he throw the ball down as is he completing passes? Because again, you look at what the production of these offense has been and it's all zeke zix ZIXI. Yes, Dak will give you some here and there that are really good, but just overall, yeah, but I'll put it

to you like this. So if that's if you're going to use that thought process, then you're telling me that this year, if Dak would have gone down out, Cooper Rush could have done the same thing that Dak did and still got them to the playoffs. Is that what you're saying? Probably not? Okay, what's what's the well? But here's the deal. I think that Number one, I think that Dak will be a better player next year than he was this year because I think he is a

better player as he keeps going. But even at that, that doesn't mean Rod Smith has to be your guy, right. I think there are other running backs that you can get, and finding another quarterback is not the same finding another running I'm just gonna say, if you're gonna use that example, if Cooper Rush is not gonna do that, rod Smith isn't leading the league in Russia. But but but my point is to rEFInd the receivers. To find a replacement for ro for rod Smith is a lot easier than finding

a replacement Dak Prescott or a great question. But I you know Jerry is, you know has the money he has because he's never just had to settle that he's greedy. He's I'll take it all, so he's he's not gonna limit to three. But but I love the argument's sake, and I would go Cooper, Zeke and d law Uh. Those would be my three I would try to get because you like because you say, well, good luck, good luck with you, because you want to sign that good luck to you. Honestly, there's no but there is no

Tirio signed back. Easy easy, easy, absolutely, because if you give him a quarter if you give me a quarterback, if you give me a quarterback that in his first three years in the NFL has gone to the playoffs, two of those three years has been the Pro Bowl, two of those three years won the division, won the division two of those three years. I'm gonna say that's a quarterback worth developing and continuing to see where he goes,

say the runner helped you win the division. I get all that, but I still say, if that's didn't do that, then you could have thrown whatever quarterback in there. You would have been fine. And I don't think that's the case. Well, no, I agree on on signing him if you can, But the question is gonna come down to how much because you just you just read the sheet from the agent.

The agent just printed out. You know, when he goes into help, he was like, all right, we've won the division B. Yeah, and then they're gonna come back, and but it's like how how much? And that's gonna be the question there. Does he get the money? That's the max? But you know that's that's the thing about the NFL. You don't get paid what you're supposed to get paid. You get paid whatever the market dictates you're gonna get paid. And the fact that you had some quarterbacks last year

that got paid and they're not that good. Yeah, seventeen millions, yes, Kingdom eighteen. Ryan tanney Hill nineteen two. I'm thinking about the who the cousins. What was cousins deal? Oh cousins is he's at twenty eight millions? Right? So you don't think that Dak is gonna be his agent's gonna walk in there and say, hey, that guy got paid twenty eight million. Our guys, bet Derrek car just got his bonus. His contract guaranteed nineteen millions going going into the season.

I don't know if it's changed, but going into the season, three of the five highest paid quarterbacks in the league did not have a winning record. Only Matt Ryan did, and the other one was Jimmy Garrappola, who was seven and oh who's now seven and one. We'll see he's still you know. But the Car Stafford and I think Cousins, they do not have winning records. And I don't believe either one of them has won a playoff game. So

now you got that under decks, you know, belt. So I do think signing him is going to be gonna be a little bit harder, you know, because the jury is still somewhat out on what he can be as far in certain offenses. If you're gonna pay the money, I just you gotta you gotta play him the way. And let me ask you this question based on what

you currently have on this team. Um, and let's put aside whatever you think of the coaching Let's assume for a second that coaching, either this coach or another coach that would come in and be named later, that they would be give you everything you need from a coaching standpoint. Is dak press Gott good enough to win a championship? M I don't know, And I guess if you say you don't know, then you don't need I was about to say, you don't need to pay him if if

there's if there's a hint of doubt in your mind. Okay, so what's your what's your answer that question? Oh? I would have paid the quarterback. But I'm saying, do you think he's good enough to win a champions I do? I do? I do. But but if you're But if you're if I think with the right coaching, you definitely can. Are we going up against New England? Like? Yeah, if that's always the killer, right, if we cannot play them, then maybe I can win Philadelphia. I don't think. I

do think you can win. I mean, he's proven you can win. But but I don't want to be in the anti Dad. No, No, you're not. You're not. You're not. But the thing about it is, though I've lived that like you lived it, with me. You guys all lived it with me. He's better than that. I think he's he's a Romo. The question always was was Romo good enough? And he he never was. But I think, okay, that was also about other pieces. And that's my point, Like

everything has to line up like Falls. Yes, Falls won a championship, but Falls was good enough with the other pieces they had around him, with a defense, with severe like all those things matter. So I think if you get the right pieces around him, I think enough to win, good enough to win. And I don't think you can just say you can just go out and grab a quarterback and he's gonna be good enough to win a championship.

Look at like Ward. He has all the pedigree, he had a great defense, and he couldn't win a championship. That is, it's just a bad evaluation of a quarterback. Again, everybody had him. Say no, everybody, that's the problem. You run into this, that's the thing. You run into this. You look at this and you say, and I was just sitting there looking at these names. Okay, just real humor me. Here of the guys are going to get the next contract, who do you feel the most comfortable

about Mayfield, Darnald Trubisky, golf Wins. Who do you feel the best offense, because he's already done, like I've seen him play really well. Wins is the one once again Mayfield Darnald Trubisky Golf Wins. I think once Ah Trubisky Trubisky, How are you really Tampas? Tampas in the same situation with Jameis Winston right now? Yeah, I mean they're they're

looking at their quarterban. Dallas is in the same spot they're look they're The only difference is Dallas didn't have to pay their quarterback like these teams you're paying these guys that I just mentioned right now, Yeah, they had to pay these cats. I mean, Dallas didn't have to pay there. I've seen Trubisky play in January. I have not seen Wins play in January. Yeah, but seeing all this stuff, but he hasn't stayed healthy with as falling

off on everybody. I just think he needs to He just needs to learn, like he needs to play and get experienced and be because what killed him this year was the fact that he when teams took away his coach in his headset, We'll take that away from him. I would if I'm if I'm his coaches this offseason, I'm like, dude, all we're gonna do is sit around and just look at different scenarios and you're gonna have to just figure out what you would watch. That's experience.

I think he's gonna be fine. He will be a great quarterback. I really DA's biggest weakness. What's the one thing that hurts Dak Prescott more than anything? Accuracy? Think it's accuracy well and also making decisions like quick decision looking at what he has on the field, And I don't know, I don't know if quick decisions is what

I would attribute to him. I think a lot of times I don't know if it's that he's not making quick decision as much as he's waiting for things to happen, that he waits too long for him to happen than just taking what's available to him. Okay, what's his biggest strength? Strength? Strength? Now, the biggest strength, take hits. He can run. He's tough as nails and mentally, mentally and physically, and those things matter because he just has this will, Like he's resilient.

And here's another thing. Who's calling the plays in the two minute offense, that's when he's good. Yeah, and he calls him. He called him. You know, Romo did the same thing. They were really good when they're two minute offense. And so the whole about making decisions thaying I'm kind of with you there, but when it comes to two minute offense, he's making. But when they play in certain routes and this is a play you're gonna play, and

that that is in his mind. So you see him hesitate when the play isn't working out how it's supposed to and somebody's covering a guy that he's planning on throwing the ball too. Right, then that becomes a problem because he can't adjust as quickly as you would want him to do. You think you can win a Super Bowl with a quarterback that plays with guts and determination and toughness. And I know it's a different is that not Bradshaw? Yeah, it's an accurate I was. I was

with a guy that wasn't really accurate, but he was tough. Yeah, god, he was. I think it matters. I mean he lined up every snap, but we had players around him. Yeah, yeah, players around him. See that's where I think if if, if, if Dak Prescott fails, it's gonna because the front office failed him. It's not because of Dak Prescott. It's because the front office failed he going back to the to

the running back situation. And I know it's a different era now, but you know, if you've been kind of burned by something before, I don't even know if burned is the right word. But Jerry, you know, with with Emmett Smith, you know, he was he was trying to fight that. He was being stubborn about giving him that deal. Didn't want to finally gave Mary and Barber money the right, right, but I'm talking about best in the league, yea, and the guy holding out and all that, and you know,

a second contract. But you know, is that gonna get you in trouble if if you if you, if you play that way, because they didn't do that with DeMarco Murray. You know, Murray had led the league and you know, set records and all that, and they were like they were pretty stubborn about what they wanted to do. Fool's goal, Giants game, Dak no running game, fools goal, fools goal. But we saw at the Giants when you guys were at the metalands was that a fools goal? He had

no running game there, He kind of shoulder the load. Honestly, What one of those is that? Like I say, is that one of the things I'm most interested in saying this next year is with a different play caller, is he willing to give Dak some games? Because that's also a thing that can extend my that can make me

one extend ze Kellyott. Yeah, if you're not relying on him for ninety eighty percent whatever you said of your offense, and you're actually letting your quarterback actually go out there and in some games you're just gonna air it out, then I feel a little bit better about preserving the life of my running back. So I feel like I can pay him and keep that kind of production for a longer period of time. So I actually want to

see And I don't think it's fool's goal. I don't think what he was able to do in that game. Maybe it wasn't the circumstances. He wasn't playing the Patriots playoff game. Yeah, but it was an NFL game that team they wanted to win, and maybe they it was the last game. It didn't matter a lot to them. But NFL teams want to win, I think, and he played when I didn't played it. I thought a phenomenal game throwing the ball around without a running back, with

running back got his run. And I think they played that game with a sense of they wanted to win the game. Yes, but we know it didn't actually count for what they were trying to But at the end of the day, I think just playing with a little more freedom, I think he felt more freedom of like experimenting certain things and doing certain things too, or that relieved or released a little bit of the pressure off

his back. Well. And also I don't I don't think for a second that he didn't he wasn't proven something to the coaches as well. Larcus Lawrence is sitting there, he's out of the game, and and and Zeke is definitely out of the game and all that. Oh, but I'm not out of the game. Yeah, okay, you know you think. I actually think it's the opposite. I think he was like, I don't want to come out of game because I want to show all those coaches. Everybody may not think that, they may think that we need

to run the ball all the time. I want to show everybody, guess what I can do this too, Like I can throw the ball. We can win games when we're throwing the ball. Well, either way, I mean, he it was. I called it the play of the sea, the best play of the season, regardless of it mattered or not. I thought it was his best throw to Beasley. I thought it was Beasley's best play. And he could have run it probably. I don't know. If he gets fifteen would have been he would have been like thirteen.

He would have been a tough quarterback run over somebody guy, Yeah, yeah, you do it. Yeah, but uh and body else was streaking down the sideline too, like Rod Smith or somebody that he might might have hit. But you know, he found easily, which isn't always easy to do down the field, and he didn't. It's not that we laugh. He's been riding at all season. Well, I just hate it. I'm open. I'm like, I get it. I mean, I get you are open. But in the press box we see that

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just staying looney, let's stay, let's stay. End the quarterback topic. Okay, the backups something not as exciting but obviously very needed. Uh, if you still have Cooper Rush and Mike White out of these two, and there were a lot of people who were on the bendwagon for Cooper Rush. That was one of the I would do the chance Cooper Rush. Yeah, But then Mike White got here and a lot of people were, and then I was, and then I was doing that. Mike White, Yeah, White, Mike White, Yeah, you

were going for Mike White. So out of these two quarterbacks, who do you see the most capable of progressing and getting better, improving during training camp and becoming the right backup quarterback for Dike Prescott. I'm gonna go before Brian goes in because he's I know, he's going in on Mike White, and I don't I don't disagree. I think they're getting a really good teacher here in John Kitten. Now, um, and I know this might sound funny, but I mean,

have you've seen his son. His son's not really that tall. He's a you know, younger guy, but but he played college quarterback, you know. I mean he's getting taught at home. Um, I think Mike White's got more tools than Cooper rush s. White was drafted and he's got you know, he's gonna get stronger and all that, and he's gonna have a guy who's been there, done it, and and and he is a really good teacher. I think Mike White's gonna

take a I'm not gonna say Cooper has aling. I'm not gonna say that, but I just think that Mike White has a chance to be better and Kitney can help him get there. He's absolutely right. I don't need to say anything more than what he just said. Yes, he's absolutely right. That's what Brian improves. No, No, I you know what, I'm excited for Mike White this training camp. I was disappointed because I thought Mike White it's a

lot like my Dalton Schultz analogy. Dalton Schultz I thought after watching him at Stanford, I thought he would just come right in, be a blocker, catch the ball, do all those things. He was none of that. And I'm like, when what was I thinking? You know, and Mike White is a little bit of the same thing. And I saw Mike White in the preseason, I'm going he looks like a baby. He looks so young, a little baby.

I can ask this question though, and you guys, you guys obviously watch a little more of practice during preseason.

I do, Brian, you's gonna ask some film that you watch from time and time it tell me did you see because I have not seen I don't recall seeing at one moment last year during the preseason a moment from either one of those guys that made me say absolutely, because you think back to the guy the quarterbacks that had the team, yeah, the year before he was and that's the thing, like you look at you look at Romo,

Romna had those moments. Romo wasn't great, but Romnna had moments that made you say, oh gosh, wow, that got played a little bit. And and Dak obviously his training camp that would I mean, his season, that was just the whole different level. But my point is, when you're talking about those kinds of guys, those unherolded guys, I think at some point you gotta see something. And so right now, to answer your question, I know this is gonna sound like being on the fence, and maybe I

am at this point. Honestly, I honestly don't see I haven't seen anything yet that suggests to me that either one of them is going to be your next guy. That's fair. And if I'm the Cowboys this year, I have a fourth guy in my camp that is a veteran quarterback. And if I don't see one of those two guys take an appreciable step, that shows me they got something. I'm going into this year saying that Dak's gonna be my starter and I'm going to have a

veteran backup, and I'm not developing these guys necessarily. I want a veteran backup so that if he goes down, I feel good about where I am. That sounds great.

I don't think they're gonna do that. Maybe not. I'm just saying that's what I would because the veteran guy they have is not taken, is not on the salary cap, and I think that's really why John John and he doesn't want to take reps away from the young guys, and anything that that veteran's gonna be able to give him, you know, from a standpoint of teaching and helping Dak is something that but I'm not. That's not why I'm bringing him in. I'm bringing him in because I want

my quarterback. And you talk about this a lot. I want my quarterback, Dak Prescott, to be able to run the ball when he feels like he needs to run the ball. Now, when I do that, I'm exposing him to injury, which means that I'm taking the chance that if I got Mike White or whoever, that Cooper Rush, whoever there might have to play this year, and if they have to play, I would rather have it unless again, unless I see something during this preseason that suggests they're

ready for that role. I thought the Cowboys dodged a huge bullet this year by not having to do that because I don't think either one of those guys was ready to play yet. Yeah, if you look at the names of those guys, So you're talking about Colt McCoy, Drew Stanton, see, Mike Glennon. See I mean, I mean I'm talking about these are like, these are your run of the mill backup guys. You know Teddy Bridgewater six million dollars. Yeah, you know that that was gonna be

fought in the NFL next year. But yeah, but but it's like aj mccaron's of the world. Uh, Matt Shop has always been a high price guy for a backup role. Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick, I would take him. I think that a Ryan Fitzpatrick could win me a couple of games. I don't think. I don't think if based on what they were coming into

this year, I don't think you would have. None of us probably would have thought Cowboys had much chance to win games this year if either one of the two guys that were on this roster outside of Deck were forced into play. Well, you felt like that maybe they could win because of the running game, but not because the offensive line. Yeah, with all the other things they had going on. Receivers with the receiver by committee, if that went the season, I would you might not have

won it. You might not have won You mentioned the Schultz thing to me, White, Mike White and Cooper Rush is like Schultz and Jarwin or I don't need them both, you know, I don't need both of them to do that. I need one of you to step up and be better because I got other ways that I got Chill up the position. So now if they don't resign Swaying. I need both of them, and they might do that. And that's the tough thing with Swaying his injuries. You

don't do you weigh that in. So you're saying you would take one of those two guys and then you would still get the veteran and you'd have kind of those three, you'd have that mix. I think so. I agree, I think so. And see what happens at camp, and see if one of those guys does step up, if they steps up to the point where they think they're number two. They yet both of them. See that's what That's what was so disappointing, because I thought Mike White

would just clearly outplay Cooper Rush. And it wouldn't that neither one of them. I'm watching those games in the preseason. Why I love Mike White, but no, I get it. I know, But who would you say is the most accurate? Well, neither one of them were very I mean Cooper Rush was accurate his first year. Second year, the ball was all over the park. And you know, and I've seen Mike White at Western Kentucky throw the ball well that he gets here and I'm like me, it looks like

me out there throwing. I would like to believe that Mike White is more accurate. I would like to believe that just from what I've seen in college, you know, in the college ranks and stuff like that. But man, I mean that was disappointing. That to me was really really disappointing because I thought that Mike White would come in here and just clearly outplay him. Yeah, but they didn't. And it's almost like Cooper Rush got a little skittish too.

It's like he backed up, like he's like, oh wait, they drafted a guy, and then his game with the crap. And that's the disappointing part when you see someone regress rather than and progress over time. And it's yeah, we're watching some of his plays right now, but yeah, you know, he looks like to me watching this as he looks like Romo Romo College and even some cavalry. I mean, if you're not watching this, like I can go back

and watch it after the fact. But when he was at the in the red zone, this is very Romo issue. At the about the eight yard line, he rolled right and he pointed to the outside receiver to go deep, and he threw it across the middle to the other other guy. Yeah, you know that's what rom the play against with Terrence Williams with the with the in Seattle when yeah, he pointed at Jason pointed right at the safety. But here throwing over here. It looks pretty I mean,

I don't know, they all look. Romo is kind of he sets the bar to the point where like you don't ever want to say, well, Rush is not gonna be anything, and Mike White's not gonna be anything, because guarantee you we all were talking, none of us thought Romo would be yeah the guy, Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Yeah.

Now I wanted to we we don't need to get into depth because we're running out of time, but just a little bit of draft talk and some of y'all's priority based on Cowboys have different positions of need right now, so you have multiple choices, very diverse here. So I wanted to go and run the room and go through what it would be your main position of need that you would want to address, whether it's in free agency or the draft. What is your top priority right now?

Top priority? Yes, I have three of them. Well, I have three priorities, And to be honest with you, I think the way the Cowboys are constructed right now. I'm going to take the best to pay available player at either of those three with my first pick, and that fifty eight that would be backup running back, that would be defensive tackle, and that would be safety one pick one. So if I had to choose one, you're sitting there now, you have safety away because that'll be cleared up before

the draft. Yeah, I'm gonna take care of that. You can do that. Yeah, And honestly, I think I think i'd probably do that. I'd probably go defensive tackle. I think that's the one i'd probably be. I'd probably I'd probably think it's my top priority. Yeah, I've said that one as well um on an other show. We've done it, and I do think that tight end is up there though for me to really Yeah, I mean I want,

you know, not a believer in Jarwin at this point. No, why he showed you somethin at the end of the year. You're not You're not. I'm not expecting I'm not. I'm not expecting him to be Jason Witten in his prime. But I do think this offense functions and actually can function quite efficiently without having a tight end of that caliber. So I don't think of that as a high priority. I think I think you can make this offense work well with a tight end that kind of plays his role.

Now where I would upgrade as far as the tight end position is, I'd go and get myself a blocking tight end that I can if you can get that guy later in the draft. That's not a one that you have to spend a lot of capital. I would, But then you also have to remind yourself, like how important tight end is for Dak. Dak leans on the tight end position a lot, and and it hasn't worked out this year, but that's a key position for what

he's able to do on the field. But but if we're gonna go back to that New York game, do you not want to give a little credit right there to Jarwin and what maybe he can be if they were going to open up the offense a little bit more. I think we've got good backup tight ends. I think we've gone backwards with the position. I still need a guy. I got a good I got some number twos. I wouldn't mind a number one tight end, which I think

you'd have to get in maybe second round. They haven't had great luck with second round tight, you're not resigning h swim. You know. It's interesting by Derek's thought, though, if you draft a running back, you've kind of at two fifty eight, you've kind of cast a lot for what you're gonna do with Ezekiel Elliott. Haven't you know?

What you've done is you've given yourself some leverage. Now, that's what I'm saying, that you're going too that negotiation and you can be a lot stronger in your opinion. I mean, you know, I'm just saying though, like, no, no, he is. The thing about leverage is all always about options. The more options you've got, the more leverage you got, right right, what would be your position? Brain? I just see there's a I see there's an issue. By the way,

thanks appreciate that. I think there. I think that they have issues at defensive tackle, I really do. I mean, and and this is I don't you know the human log was outstanding Antoine Woods Collins is banged up. You know how healthy is he? Every year? Now it seems like and in next year the reoccurring. So yeah, next year he's done. So yeah, I think I go deef, He's not He's not a guy you resigned probably doesn't look that way. And and you also lost um, which

is probably a good thing. But David Evering's not going to be a part of this. Are you sure? Ones are very concerned all this. I know you're working out right now and getting ready for the offseason cowboy fit, But which you know? I mean that just goes to that Billy Blanks. Yea, Bill? Is that the guy Billy Blanks. I've come home like four in the morning. You know, when you're sitting down, when you're eating Jack in the box. I can't wait to see how the story come on

four o'clock in the morning. We're talking about Tybo and Billy Blanks. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. You come home at four in the morning, and then they got full contact karate on or something like that. ESPN. You're flipping around and you're eating your Jack in the box because you've had too many Miller lights. And then Billy Blanks is trying to sell you some Tybo stuff, you know, bouncing around there, and you end up buying the seven disc package. Did you know? I flip over

the next channel and buy it. The greatest of the eighties, the best Shark Tank ever was the one with Billy Blanks Junior. I guess that's the best one. I don't know even watched Shark Tank. It's pretty good show. It's the best one. Damon like walks off the set, goes and finds him in the back room and actually explains the deal or something like that. It's really good. It's like one of the best ones. Have you ever seen that one? No, I don't think so. I've seen a

lot of those episodes. It's a good one. She watches that the guy what's the painting guy? The guy with the afro? What's that guy's name that got talked? Didn't he didn't? He got voice. I'm gonna make some Willie, Hey, sire, I hate to I hate to say, we're running out of time here, but I don't wanted to kind of

care over what you just said. But um, this is our first show obviously since since last week when when Wade Wilson passed away, and we all have been we were all here with him and a couple of different stints. Unbelievable guy, and and it's really a sad situation. So I know all of our I don't speak for everybody here, but I'm sure I do and you should. Yeah, absolute for me. Yeah, he definitely. Our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. He's he's one of

the classiest guys that's ever come through here. Sticks is one of the reasons why, the main reason why you have Doc Prescott here. He was a great evaluator. Well, I worked with him for a long time in those rooms and stuff. You always answered questions, always was prepared, you know, and just a great easy going guy. It's a shame, you know, it's sixties years old. Gold work for him. Yeah, easy going, he really was. You know. He had some medical issues with diabetes and things like that,

but you know, it's just life, you know. You just you're not guaranteed tomorrow. And in his case though, it's a shame that his life ended this quickly, because he is a super, super super guy. All right. Well, I mean you did a great job hosting that kid. Yeah, kid, thanks Dad. All right, you can take you take us a compliment. You don't have to just be a jerk about it. You called my kid, I called your dad. Let's run with that. I'm not your dad. Both accurate, Okay,

I'm closer to Bennett, are you yeah? Okay, now you're offending me. Now you need to stop talking, and now we might cancel the periscope later this afternoon. You need those numbers, trust me, all right. Well, thank you so much, guys, thank you Virtunity, and thanks Brian for being here for Derek Kingle Technique and Brian brought us. And this has been Cowboys Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.