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episode number eight. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break Life and s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We've got a little bit of time here today to talk to you guys about a lot of different things. We have the Rookie Minicamp coming up this weekend. We got some wrap up on the draft and those guys and what you guys will be looking for this weekend. If anything, we'll talk about a little bit about that. We'll also talk about schedule release that's coming up tomorrow.

Lots of interesting things coming out of that. As usual. The NFL UH that is a super Bowl for digital media groups around the NFL. Should be fun tomorrow. Stop it. Dave cares what you think about that. I didn't say anything you invited me into that, I did, uh, And then we'll see in the final segment if we have a little time to talk about a second NFL team in the city of Dallas. Maybe we'll have time for that, maybe we won't, but we'll see how that goes. How

you doing, Nike Goode? Yeah, you know, I figure if we have a little time, we might throw it out there and let y'all feast done that a little bit and see what kind of funny I thought. But we'll get to that in the third segment, maybe if we have a little bit as well as chance in hell, yeah, I know, we'll get to that. Um. So let's start first with the rookies. UM, we last week did a deep dive into each player that was drafting your thoughts

on them. This week, I think we're gonna take a little bit of a bigger picture view of the draft and as a whole, and then with the rookies coming in this weekend, some of the things that are intriguing to you about that, Let's start first. We do we do know the rookie mini campus coming up Friday Saturday. They'll be arriving on Thursday. We'll have lots of content following those guys interviewing those guys will get to see the rookies for the first time in Cowboys uniforms, so

that should be somewhat exciting for fans out there. Let's go back to the draft, though, and as you look across the entire draft, the entire lot of Cowboys picks, who was the most intriguing draft pick for you? Most intriguing draft pick two come to mind, one being Jalen Tilburt, just because I think the value is great. I think he's good enough to start right away. Obviously Tyler Smith, but I think I hate to say project, but I just feel better about what Jaalen Tilbert is right now

and got to see more from Tyler Smith. And then Damon Clark just because of the great unknown of what he can be when he's healthy and the discount that they got there. Those are the two for me. For me, I would obviously Tyler Smith. I think he you know, I don't know if he's a I think he's a project left tackle. I don't know if he's a project left guard. If he is, they shouldn't have drafted him. So I'm hoping that he's not that. But I think well, let's go, has a chance to probably be starter in

a couple of years. I think I think I could see that happening over Josh ball or do you see how do you see them? Because I heard that conversation come up yesterday and it was an intriguing one because Josh balls fourth round pick is you know, and so duke it out. That's fine. Whoever wins, that'd be great. I mean, I'm not counting on that. I mean they're both fourth round pick or no, he's a fifth round the well let's go. Um, I just I could see

that that happening. But if Josh balls better, that's a good it's a good problem that you're just really going with the word play over there. Well, let's go. I'm ball out talking right now. You sound like nick like every time y'all come up with some smarty line pun. Yeah, yeah, well I don't. I'm trying to think of a different guy other than Tyler Smith, because he really is the guy. That's more not just the guy, but the position itself.

What's going on on the O line. That's the most intriguing part for me because we're a week out from the draft already and we still haven't seen like any other signing of like a veteran guy. And I know they just drafted a first round pick to come in and help and they're expecting him to be a guy that can help in the get go right away. But it's just I can't visualize all of that really going

smoothly just yet. So I'm really intrigued as to what is actually going to happen with the tackle position and with the guard position as we start moving into rookie Mune camp then training camp and seeing how things develop, because they I still think they need a veteran guy to come in and help and they haven't signed a

guy like that. Yeah, it's it's interesting, and I think my most intriguing pick it's really the two it's the two offensive linement because I think going into the draft, and I'll speak for myself, I was really I was assuming that Dallas was looking at either the draft or some veteran to be the guys that would be your backup tackle, you know that kind of thing. And it sounds like from from really the way the Cowboys are looking at it, they're looking at their young guys as

their backups. I don't think they're necessarily going out and finding some veterans. So I'm interested to see how you know. Can you have Smith come in and play guard immediately? As you said, Nick, I agree with you. If he can't do that, then I questioned whether he was worth the first round pick. But can he come in do

that immediately? Is there an ability for well, let's go or Ball to maybe jump in there and be your swing tackle this year, or both of them battling in that situation, Ken Farnie, I give you to give you some competition at center. Like, I think there are lots of questions on the offensive line, and it seems like the approach the Cowboys are taking is that they're gonna

go with young guys. I think, you know, to Amber's point, if if they do sign a veteran at this point, I think that they would probably deem them as progress stoppers. I think you have to wait and see this office off season and training camp. Now, if you get the camp and and all of a sudden, Dorance Armstrong looks like Lawrence Taylor coming off the edge every time because you can't block him, then I would think maybe you do have to go that route it. Maybe maybe Lawrence

is just Lawrence Taylor. Yeah, Donce Taylor say, yeah, maybe that'd be good problem, that would be a good problem to have. But yeah, I'll lean the other way, Okay. And that's not a knock on Doran's that's training camp. We see that all the time. We're staying Sky's bawling out. He's amazing practice day after day. And then it turns out it was the competition what they were doing last year.

He had a great training camp camp. He did have a great season last This season was pretty good for for all, for not being a starter, for being a guy that they lean on on special teams. He had a nice year. But then we got to come up if if none of if none of their tackles can deal with him at training camp, that's a problem. Yeah. That's not a like, oh we've got a great end. It's a oh, we don't have any tackles in my opinion, right all right, Um, who was the biggest steal of

the draft? Well, I mean if I if I'm saying that, well, let's go has a chance to start in a couple of years, then I gotta say that then, especially since he's a fifth rounder, which fifth rounders haven't been too good around here at all. Yeah, yeah, at this one. Yeah, that was about Yeah, it's been a it's been a Bank of America type a round. So they gotta be they gotta be better than that. I'll say Tolbert again because they almost drafted him at fifty six and he

was still there at eighty eight. Um. I want to say Daman Clark, but I think you got to hold off until you see if he's the same player. Yeah, I think he will be. I hope he will be, but we don't know that right will be a steel. Then that would be for sure. If he if he just if it's like nothing ever happened, then that is one of the steels of the draft. Probably, But it's just too soon to say that right now. I tell you who Jerry would would say. It's like it was

Sam Williams. We're fair. We're calling him D now, right should it's D. It's actually it's spelled d E, so it's dead. But everybody says D, so I guess we just say D. I think his middle name. I think we talked about this last name. His mental name is liked Eric. I think something like that. What position is he going to be like, what a position is he going to be listed at? Why? Because it would be d D. Williams. They're call him d D. And yeah, that's exactly what's gonna happen. I can hear it in

the press box now. But yeah, I agree, I agree. I agree with Nick that Jerry would say that that's okay. Is that a fair assessment that that he should be considered a bit of a steel for the Cowboys? If he not? Until it? No, it's too soon to say that it will be. Could argue that based on talent, you could argue Kelvin Joseph could be a steel too, and it doesn't seem that way right now, and so

those those things go into consideration. Steel. I'm like, fair, No, it's too soon to like, it's too soon to be like we were right about this, like we well took this chance and he was there and where it's going to pay off. It's too soon to say that. Let's be honest, when you start talking about steals, it's probably too early to say that for anybody true how it's going to pan out. But you kind of just base it on where they got them versus what the potential is.

I guess is the best way to look at But like, like a Jalen Tolbert doesn't come with the same question marks, whereas I'm like, yeah, like if he's on the field doing his thing, I think that's really good value for where they got him. He's here to change the culture, he says, he's coming down here to help change the culture. Real quick. Going back to Sam Williams, I forget, uh whatever, man, I'm just playing along whatever man Williams. Is that okay?

Do you use the last name that? Sure, Williams. It's not a common name at all. Well, now Connor is gone, so we'll stick to this Williams. So with him, was he outside the question marks and all that? Was he like graded as a first round pick talent wise? I don't know that. I don't think. I don't think the Cowboys had a first round grade on him. I mean the Cowboys had fourteen first round grades. That's and so no, no, I don't. I doubt very many people had a first

round grade on him. But in terms of puerability, I think we talked about it last week. I mean, his tape against very good competition is very good. Yeah, it's all all feel stuff for him. Right, Yeah, I mean it's not about his ability. I don't know. I still don't know that, Like I don't if he was Captain America, I don't know that he would have been a first round pick. It's hard. It's hard to answer that question though.

All this stuff is completely different. Like one team's Cowboys are like he's our best second round grade Tyler Smith. Somebody else could have him as a third well, like every valuation, obviously you looked at a lot of players. Do you think he was a guy that would have ended up being drafted in the first round, again, understanding the premium on the defensive end position, do you think he's a first round talent that just had other issues

that made him be a second round pick. I don't feel comfortable saying he would have been a first round pick if he had a clean bill, But I think, you know, I don't think he would have lasted to fifty six. Put it that way. I think he would have been one of the first guys taken on Day two,

probably one of the first handful of guys. It sounds like the on the field knocks for him is just his versatility in the position, and that's just what Ole Miss asked him to do get up the field and beat these left tackles and get to the quarterback, which he did, and but sometimes with that, it's like where else can you play him? Can you play him three downs?

Can he is he just a rusher? Which there's value there obviously, But I think that's the question marks he had to answer on the field, is what can you do with him all the time during the game, Because I think that's the difference in Dave will know this better than me, but I think that's the difference between the rushers that get drafted high in the first round and the ones that have you know, have good and sack numbers, but they don't necessarily, you know, show that

they can be a consistent run stop or three down player. Yeah. I mean, the more you can do, the more complete your picture is, the better off you are, which he'll tell you. Like Old Miss asked him to do a lot of stuff other than line up out wide like he was. He played a lot of like four eye technique, like in closer inside the line, doing the dirty work. That was a big thing. Oh gosh, I'm drawing a

blank already. I mean, like, um, people have said that thing about guys before where oh oh, think tray Von Walker, the number one overall pick, is like, well, Georgia asked him to play strong side a lot. He's fantastic against the run, and they didn't need him to be a pure edge rusher. D Williams has. He has some of that to his game. But again, I mean twelve and

a half sacks in college. I mean, you don't see a whole lot of guys do better than that just because of the like the limited number of games you play, Like, you don't see these twenty sack totals in a college season. I mean, twelve and a half is really really good in a college season. So he clearly has that ability. So, knowing what you know about the other players they have at the position and what you think of of d Williams, what would be a good year for him this year?

And I'm not necessarily talking about in the way of sacks, but more from a standpoint of what role could the Cowboys expect him to play. Is he a guy that could be competing to be starter type or is he a guy that really, you know, you think up more as this kind of a pass rush specialist that comes in on third downs and kind of gives some extra pass rush. Um. I think for me, it starts with a good year for him is no issues off the field that that's a real that's a good start for him.

No expectations on the field necessarily, know what I mean? I think that I think it starts there, got it. I think it's for me it starts there and then and then just make a you know, be uh. I mean if he's a Chauncey Gholston type guy that can just contribute at times some special teams but also comes in on third down to get some sacks, that would

be a good year. I mean, I think taking better than Layton vendoresh now looking at yeah, I could see that be impossible him coming in and just making maybe on the field like where you notice him more than what Layton has the same role. These names are gonna bother me here, like I said this d E and other because if he's not listed as a d E, what's he going to be listed at linebacker? Sam? Let see what you're doing, Williams. Sam goes by saying but no, he's not going by Sam, but he is a Sam.

Or what number is fifty four? A successful season for him would be like being one of the four primary defensive ends. I mean DeMarcus Fowler and Drance would be the other ones. If he's one of those four pass rush situations passing situations, so be better than play somewhere between thirty five and fifty five percent of the snaps. Yeah, be awesome if he could be better. Is there going to be an odd couple odd man out here? I mean twenty five tackles a young guy. I mean, I

don't think they're giving up on him. We start thinking about I mean, you just throw throughout those four names. Golston wasn't mentioned, are Bashim wasn't mentioned there. Obviously, bash Him is a veteran. If the Cowboys side they don't need him, they could always move away. Golston's not somebody I wouldn't think that they're ready to give up on it. That's on my point. So so where does where does that all lay out? Gholston's got some good versatility to

go inside. That's I mean, DeMarcus Fowler, Williams Dance even throw in bash him yea, even I haven't said Golston yea. That gives you six And so that's fine right there. I mean, six defensive ends is pretty normal. And then consider the fact that Golston has inside flex and even to some degree, Tank does too. I wasn't even talking so much about making the team as much as who's going to get the snaps, Like you want to keep developing Golston, He's gonna need snaps to keep developing. Well,

the snaps comes down to where what else you could do? Yeah, yeah, I mean, but but if if you've got if Basham's just a little bit better than Golston is, but Golston is helping you on special teams or Durrance is helping you on special teams or whatever, then those guys play.

But you know, it always works itself out. We know that. Ye. I mean those are those are the those are the quintessential situations where like the team would probably love to get cheaper, you know, well, I mean, I'm not trying to fire Terrell Basham, but he's not making enough money, Like he's got to have a good camp Fowler like sounds weird to say, and I don't think he would be cut, but they are not tied to him. If if they get to camp and Williams is just that dude,

and Gholston takes a step. I mean, like I said, that would surprise me. But they're not tied to either of those guys financially. Yeah, they just gave you flexibility when it came to draft it. Right, that's Cowboys special. That's what they like to do. For some reason, I keep seeing him, I don't know, like to me, in my mind when I visualize the team and the defense,

I just see him fitting better. And I know he's a defensive end, like that's how they drafted him, but I see him fitting better as a linebacker like rotating somehow and helping in that part of it. Just because no, and I'm trying to put that on the side, but just watching like some of his tape and seeing the

way that he plays. I didn't even mention him, right, but that's like is he going to be and that's that's still more rips, right, Yeah, but that's and to your point about Williams, Mike is the same way, like just overhang those guys on the formation. Yeah, Like I bet d Williams will play some standing up expect like hey, good point, get out there, hang off of the end. You know, we'll have five down linemen, and one of them will be d Williams sort of standing there looking

like he's about to take off from first base. Just club your way around the tackle and get home. You don't worry about Okay, how do you envision the linebackers? Then the group? Um, hold on, Before I get to that, I want to say this one thing about Mica And you say, you guys kind of looks alike and all that. If if Mica can spread that wing a little bit and d Williams falls under that and they they are together, I like that. I think somebody needs to do that.

Somebody needs to whoever that is. And I know Mike is still young himself, and he's not too far removed from a guy that thought people thought had character issues or whatever. But he loves football. He works at getting better. If if that can be a connection a form, that would be outstanding, if that can happen. To answer your question, linebackers, Um, you know it's it's up in the air. I mean Layton Van Reesh and Micah Layton, Micah Cox and curse

Boom done good, Luke Gifford too. That's cool. He can he can play, he can join anything. Do you think Devin Harper will even like have a chance to battle for that. I think he will. We answer a mail back about this, like just spitballing, just trying to predict the future. I bet he'll make the team and it'll be mainly to play special teams and be on kick and punt team and all that stuff. I put him his third most reps among all the Ricky draft picks,

Devin Harper, third most behind Tyler Smith. And then I think it's either gonna be Tolbert or Ferguson. It's gotta be Tolbert, right to be, don't have to be. I just assume they're gonna him early on. And I think if he's as ready as you say is, then once you get him in there, I think he's gonna continue to get opportunities, and you know how that goes again. Receivers will get injured and he'll be playing. See Ferguson

playing a lot. I could see him just being a lot of two tight endsets and I see him out. I'm gonna say they could pivot away and try to play twelve personnel until Gallup comes back. Like there's no way to know how they can want to play that I will say I feel fine about how the linebacker situation work looks. As long as everybody stays healthy. It's completely fair to say you haven't given yourself a whole lot of insurance there. If that isn't the case, well great, Dave.

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talking about the rookie class. They will be in on Thursday to start the rookie manning camp practices on Friday and Saturday. Here's a question for you guys. What will the holes or what holes do you think still exist on this team after the draft that maybe the Cowboys will have to address in free agent. Address in free agency at some point and how should they address them? I mean, we spend a decent amount of time on the offensive line. I just and they've already said they're

not going to do it, so that's fine. We'll see how it goes. But I could see a scenario where you don't feel good about your swing tackle at some point this summer, maybe during training camp, maybe during roster cuts. Give Tyler Smith the benefit of the doubt. But if he and I feel fine that he'll be good or he'll be But I mean if he's not and all of a sudden, now Connor McGovern is, you know, that's not a wonderful situation to be in. But we'll give

We'll give Tyler Smith the benefit of the doubt. I feel okay about that. Um after offensive line or specifically swing tackle, I would say linebacker, like I just said in the last segment. Yeah, I mean, I'm tired of saying that I think center is a problem because they don't so well they obviously may I mean I shouldn't say obviously may. It's obvious to me that they're at

least thinking about it because they're looking at Fanniac right. Yeah, but they also signed two undrafted guys, not that that that is not a you know what I mean, a late draft pick, So it's not like he's like was brought in here to take his job. I'm just saying I think they're looking at and saying all the better options at least asking that question. Well, you know, that's

that's a fair that's a fair point. But also you could say you had nine draft picks and you didn't take any of them, and you had a chance to take you know, I think you had a chance to take the best center in the draft, whoever they think that is. They were all available to them. That maybe they think that this is a very weak draft class. You know, they probably do, But I'm just saying they didn't even you know, you're you're you're going to go off of Farniok, who hasn't played as many snaps at

center as McGovern. So you know, they didn't really thrown anybody else out there a little bit. Couldn't that also be the fact, though, that the positions that they did draft they felt like were a higher priority than say that center that you were talking about. And that takes all back to what I'm saying. They don't view that issue as much as I as I do. I just think it's still seems to be a problem. But if they're if they're going to keep trying to get him developed,

that's fine. I mean that's what they did with Terrence Steele and it worked. Is there a position that they did draft in the first two days, let's say, for example, where you felt like that position was less of an

important position for them than center. Um yeah, that that defensive end edge rusher position, because yeah what d yeah anyways, Uh yeah, I mean I would have I would have taken a center there, but um, you know, I'm not as sold and I haven't seen as much tape, so I just get maybe I'm going with the small school there, but I just I'm not as sold as t toldber going to come right in and help at receiver. I

still think they have some issues at receiver. Um, they're just banking on a South Alabama rookie to be good, or James Washington to finally kind of resurrect his career or whatever it is, the kind of banking on something or Gallop getting healthy or CD proving that he could be number one when he hasn't shown that yet. Well, he's already number one, right, proving to be a worthy number one that you can count on every game, including the playoffs, when you're getting beat by the forty nine ers,

show up. That's all I'm saying. Prove that he hasn't proven that has he known? But Cooper had neat Like, I don't know that. I don't know that Cooper was a he showed up every game, Like, seriously, he showed up enough. Yeah, I mean he's taken over enough games in his career. I get that he had some and some really great games. I don't think I don't think that every game they relied on him agreed. Okay, that's that's their m O anyway. Okay, and maybe maybe it is.

I mean, who knows whether it's them, whether it's him, whether it's the quarterback. Like, there's a lot of different factors of what that could what could be the issue there. But I don't think he was like a consistent every game he was like and they traded him for a bag of chip. So my point is is that that's still the problem. But none of the receivers you have have to me, they all have some kind of major question marks. Whether can they take it to the next level,

can they be quality? I mean, there's they all have their question marks, and so that's that's gonna be interesting. I'm very high on Jalen Tolder, but it's undeniable. They purposefully got worse at that position and they're not They're not better than they were, and they just yeah, we didn't even mention Cedric, but yeah, Cooper and Cedric together, they purposefully got worse. I mean, losing Cedric. There's only so much you can do. But they sent a Mario away.

They clearly wasn't about money at the end of the day. They feel that way, that's fine, we'll see if they're right. I don't think they are. I don't either. I would have I would have restructured a mari and not signed Gallop. That's what I would have done. And if if I would have had Jalen Tilbert in the third round, he still draft them there because you still could get James Washington. You can still do that. But I would have liked

that situation better. Bus they're going to be catching balls this weekend as opposed to you know, the chords and stuff like that. But I saw I saw Gallop the other day like out there. I mean, I think it's good. It seems like it's a you know, I don't know much about acl injuries and when they come back and all that, but you just know what the guy's able to do here at early May or mid May. You know, it seems optimistic. He seems like he's where he's supposed

to be. Yeah, So yeah, I think I agree with you guys. I think that they're probably as many question marks at the wide receiver position as an any position on this team. Although I think they've addressed it from the standpoint of a numbers game, like they got numbers at this point. It's just they all got question marks. Like you said, can everybody take the next step up? Right?

Everybody has to take the next step up And although you know, although CD is he was the number one receiver last year statistically, he didn't have to do it without Anamaria on the opposite side. That's the part that you got to think about, figure out what that looks like the game, yeah, and see what happened exactly. So that's the part that I think there's just a lot of questions at that position, and I think that they

addressed it as they see fit. And I don't have as much of a problem with the move from Amari if it is what I think it is, which is they felt like maybe they wanted a different kind of mentality at the receiver position, which that's fair if they want to go with somebody seems to be a little bit more, you know, kind of cut your throat kind of player. By all means to do that, if that's what you choose to do. But I don't think that just from a pure ability standpoint, I don't think they

got better. And I mean, clear Ma was the same guy the whole time he was here, as far I'm aware, and that it led to some really successful moments, not all the time, You're right, but to just be like this is so bad that we got to get rid of it right now, and our receiver corps will be lesser because of it. Coming off of a twelve and

five season, it's just hard to record. So well, you know what I do one day, if they could have drafted Tilbert, like Manick just said, they could have still drafted Tilbert with a mari on the team, and then maybe even you've got a long term succession plan, like this guy can sit and develop for a year, and if he only catches fifteen passes, that's not the end of the world. And then next year we can talk about the future. But now it's like, no, this guy

needs to be good right away. Could Could it be the fact that Cowboys decision makers saw what happened against San Francisco, They saw that final half quarter of the season where it felt like it felt like in a lot of situations, the Cowboys were getting beat up, and maybe they just felt like, yeah, we got some talented guys, but we don't have enough guys that that when we're getting beat up, are willing to kind of be willing to fight back. And I don't want to make it

seem like they weren't playing hard. That wasn't the issue, I don't think. I just think that just that mentality. It's the mentality of way San Francisco came in there. It's just a different kind of mentality. The Niners bullied them, and there every pick they made looks like it was aimed at addressing that fright, right, I keep going back to the New England game. You know, I think we all think that Bill Belichick's one of the greatest to

ever do it, if not the best. He told you who he thought was the best player on the team, and he tried to take him out of the game. Plus if you look at the salaries. Now, yeah, you look at the pretty nice, doesn't it. But it wasn't about money. We all we've all said that we know that money was not the driver of this. I don't think I think it. I mean, I've said it before. It it all snowballs together. I think money was in the front seat. I mean, yes, I mean, don't you

don't think I think it was a byproduct. Honestly, I think I think that they wanted a different kind of receiver. I honestly do. I don't think it was about the money, because it wouldn't like they turned around and use that money on a lot of other stuff. Like, I don't think it was about the money. Well, I mean, they could have kept him and they would have been in a in a they would not have been in a bad cap situation. Right, Um, I mean it depends on

what they had the restructure. They they'd have the restructure and then but yeah, they didn't sound like maybe he wanted to do Yeah, they didn't really want to restructure. I do think money was a factor. Clearly, they had their reasons to do what they did and make the decisions that they made. But as I'm sitting here listening to you guys, I'm just I find it so hard to think that this season, as the team looks right now,

it's gonna turn out okay for the Cowboys. Like I am having a hard time visualizing that because you talked about the wide receiver position. I just think they did take a step back overall, and they're counting on so many young guys all around the offense. And you look at the oline. We keep talking about the oline. I look at a game or I think I'm not trusting Tyren Smith to be there. I think we can all agree on that that at some point he's going to

come out of the game. What does that look like? Now? Then you got a guy like Dad Prescott that got injured two years ago, came back, Okay, he's doing great. Then he reinjured himself. What was it the shoulder? Then he went through the procedures. He's coming back. He looks healthy and everything like that. But that's still in the back of your mind, you know, being cautious of that.

Then you see how the running game was affected. Now you're trying to count on these young guys to be able to protect to help the run game the past game, then also white receivers to hope that they do what they need to do to hope that city Land and I think that city Land can definitely be that guy, but the players around him while he's trying to do that, it's just gonna be really really hard for them to be able to accomplish all of that with all those

moving pieces and make it work as well as they did last year with what they've got. And I think that clearly they've putting a lot of trust on a lot of people, but I can't see it. I really can't you know ultimately who they're putting their trust in. Dak like this is all like this is what happens when you pay a quarterback huge money like that is at some point you gotta be like man, you have to be the man, and sometimes you got to be

the man when others around you are not. So it might just be the situation that can Da be that kind of guy. We don't know. We don't know, but we've seen. We can only talk about and speak about what we've seen so far, and what we've seen is that he is the kind of guy who does need help around him. And yes, he can make great throws. We've seen the way that he's the developed as a player from when he started to where he's at now being able to throw down feel he's improved so much

in that aspect. But he needs help around him and I haven't seen We haven't, I mean unless you guys saw plays that I missed, But we haven't seen him be the guy that the team can fully rely on. He needs the protection at least, and he needs those guys that can catch the ball for him. This conversation doesn't sit right with me, because they all do and we've seen it time and time again. Patrick Mahomes was

nothing without his offensive line he had. He's got arguably the best like duo of past catchers in the league. And now we're about to find out just how I mean. I know he's amazing, but we'll see what do you look without? What do you look like without Tyreek Hill? Everybody needs help and the Tharon Rodgers might be the only exception in the NFL right now because he's had to kind of adapt to different receivers. Well do you

think the Cowboys have given Dak no no? And what rubs me the wrong way is that they got rid of a lot of it needlessly. We'll see, and I yeah, I think they're setting him up for a bad time this year at least. And that's why I go back to the fact that I just like they're they're not better for twenty twenty two, and I think deep in the recesses of their inner sanctum, I think they're okay with that. Because they play in a week division. They can still make the playoffs with They can make the

playoffs with this team. Once again, Dave set up the next second so far perfectly. We're gonna take our final break. When to come back, We're gonna talk about schedule release. We're gonna talk about some of the matchups that the Cowboys have, some interesting matchups. There was also one of the games I was released today that we do know already. When that's gonna happen, we'll talk about that. We'll come back.

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I seen what the schedule. I'm not gonna answer that question, but they're the schedule will be released for the general public on tomorrow and uh yeah, yeah, and uh and we have we'll have some weap video as we do every year. Last year, if you remember, it was the post malone video. This year, it'll be some other little surprises for you guys. And um, what what are you laughing? Because I've heard some whispers of what that could be, but I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. I'm

sure it's going to be good. It's gonna be good. I wonder. I love the you said it. You're you're like, this is the super Bowl for more digital media teams, like this is the event every year where you measure yourself against the rest of the league and everybody else is like you still only the freaking games. I don't care the schedule. Yeah, I don't know. I think playing fans have kind of gotten you no No, and and the really good ones are great, like the post video

was amazing. I'll never forget the one the Falcons did that was like Game of Thrones a few years ago. That one they controlled the Saints. I don't remember in the middle of it. There's usually like an Easter egg

in there somewhere. They are cool and I will enjoy a few of them, but at the same time, I'm like, I just get a PDF with the games, can't I'm trying to book flights, I'm trying to figure things out on the website, and you could just look at just all the Yeah, I know the videos are just for just for the fun of it, right, Like as a matter of fact, like in our video, the schedule is only up for like a few seconds of the video, Like it's a long video, but it's only up for

a few seconds. The schedule is kind of irrelevant to it, which is kind of like just to do something fun. It's like how the Super Bowl has become such a big deal for advertising agencies. Yeah, I mean, and and well, I think what makes it fun about these videos is in my opinion, I mean, you don't always bat a thousand, so like like there's some times when you're like, yeah, okay, no, let's try it next year. Yeah. And by the way,

that's one of the beautiful things about working here. I've had ownership tell me a number of times, look, whyn't you guys a swing for the fences. Sometimes that means you're gonna strike out, like it's okay, but go out going for something that's really cool and interesting and so yeah. There have been some years we thought it might do well and it just didn't do so well. There are other years that it went really crazy and people loved it. So yeah, you just you It's with any creative work, right,

best and see how it goes. I don't seen it yet. I do think this is gonna be pretty interesting because it's gonna be a little bit shocking, a little bit surprising. So we'll see as I'm looking up. Um, okay, so here's what we're gonna do. Here's the schedule. We do know today. There was a game that was announced today that we already know. November thirteenth. We will be heading to lambeau Field in Green Bay, three twenty five kick time,

expecting a blizzard. Nick Or did the Cowboys kind of escape one because anytime you know, you gotta go to Green Bay, you always are looking at that date of when that game is gonna fall, right, I mean, it's it's gonna be cold. I mean, but I definitely think that you escaped that. Um yeah, I mean that's that's good for both though. I mean, but think about it too, like to be the team that the Cowboys probably need. They're gonna need to run the football better. So you know,

you're like, oh, they escaped the cold weather. But to be the team, like I said that they want to be, I mean, they shouldn't be. Was worried about games like that, you know, I'd rather I mean, we saw Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs. They couldn't function. I don't think they scored a touchdown. I think they had a block. Maybe that was the forty Niners had to block. They might have scored one touchdown, but he wasn't the same. So I mean, I'm not saying it's really a great thing

to be. Oh lost, the weather's gonna be great. Aaron rod just can throw it around the yard. I mean, like you know, I mean for us, yeah, we don't have to pack like the you know, you know, you don't have to pack your fur coat. But average temperature on November thirteenth and Green Bay is about forty. It was thirty five for their game that weekend last year. I mean, yeah, that's a wine place in the world. That's that's actually really great weather for a football game. Yeah,

you know, you're talking low forties, maybe upper thirties. That's a pretty good game in the NFL. If there's five when you're speaking, that's way too cold for you studio. I mean, go into our studio and that happens there. All right. So you look at some of the teams that Cowboys are gonna play this year. We do know that they got home games against the MFC East. They got Chicago, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Indie, Houston, and Cincinnati. Are your last Chicago? Do you have Chicago schedule? I'm more

worried about Chicago. Why, Well, Chicago is a home game. That's a home game. Yeah, home game, so they're coming here, so we're not worried about that. Uh yeah, Well that's been the coldest I've ever been is at that game that was at on the road. Yeah, that was a cold gang all right. And then on the road they've got the NFC East again, Green Bay, Minnesota, the Rams, Jacksonville, and Tennessee. Dave, you mentioned it a little earlier. They

have the easiest schedule in if NFL. If you want to look at it from the standpoint of the win loss record of their opponents in twenty twenty one. My question for you guys, how much does that matter? It doesn't matter every every year. We do this every every year. You're trying to assign wins and losses based on what the schedule looks like in May. And nobody in their right mind saw the Bengals making a run at the super Bowl like all of us. You know, this time

last year, you're like, it should be a win. That's I mean, we're better like Burrows good, but we're better than the Bengals. Now it's like, well, crap, the super Bowl runner ups coming to town. Like, I mean, it's ridiculous to try to guess this stuff. Having said that, I do think there's a difference. I say this all the time. There's like four teams that are clearly better than everyone, and four teams that are clearly worse, and

then the rest is anybody's guests. But a few of those teams that are clearly very bad are on the Cowboys schedule, Like you shouldn't if they make the playoffs, can come. I'll eat all the crow you want. Like, you should be able to beat Houston, Detroit, Chicago, like those three teams. I hold off on Jacksonville. Really you hold off on jackson I'm not saying Jacksonville is going to like make the playoffs, but I hold off on saying Jacksonville is gonna be absolutely terrible. I mean with

the investments that they've made. Actually, I just I mean with the amount of money that they've spent. I still don't know why they gave Christian Kirk eighteen million dollars a year. But like, their offensive line looks nice. All of a sudden, they've added a badass pass rusher to go with Josh Allen. They sign a bunch of linebackers. Like, do I think they're gonna be amazing? No, But I would be shocked if they pick first in the draft. Like, I think that's a team that's capable of winning five

or six games. Yeah, but I'll even throw them in there. I mean, the Cowboys should beat the Jacks. I will say that that's four games that you should win right there, Jacksonville, Houston, Detroit, Chicago, you should win those games. And then you've got just the opposite of that. You've got some really tough games against some of those teams you said that, you know we're gonna be good, Tampa Bay, the Rams, like, it's it's kind of like the Cowboys have you know, it's

kind of feast or fami. You got some of the worst teams in the league. You got some of the best teams in the league. Not a lot of in between there. But going back to my point from the last segment, if you can sweep those four potential awful teams, a few of which will probably be fighting for the number one overall pick Houston, and then you got the division where they've dominated for most of Dak's career when

he's been healthy. Four and two in the division plus four wins against I mean, you're all of the eight already at eight like, and that's why I sit here. I'm like, yeah, maybe the Cowboys are okay with taking a slight step back, because if they just handle their business in the games they should win. They'll be a playoff team. And I'm not saying that's good enough for fans that are listening to me. But I can see the rationale there of like I can't, which I appreciate

that viewpoint because I'm tired of hearing that. I'm tired of hearing yeah they don't care. Yeah, like you look at it, Oh, it should be an easy schedule for the Cowboys. How does that help them? Really? Okay, we get to the playoffs over whatever, But then we're embarrassed because you see the reality of things when you are coming up against better teams and throughout the season we're like, Okay,

that's look good. Well what matters is the win? Yeah, sure it does matter, but how much is that really helping them? We saw it happen last year where they faced a lot of teams that weren't really that good, and the Cowboys might have looked better than what they really were, and maybe we start being hypnotized by that or like seeing this illusion of what they were creating when in reality they weren't what we thought they were

at the beginning of the year. So this whole thing of like, sure, easy schedule, whatever, they get to the playoffs and then what we're again, we're sitting here another year, No ye're repeating the same thing over and over. Yeah. I think you're absolutely saying what every fan out there total thinking right now and it has been thinking to since the end of this year, is they're not going to get full this upcoming year by what happens in the regular season, because I think that's where a lot

of people were upset. They felt like, I thought this team was one thing, and then we got to the second half of the year and we got to the playoffs and I found out they were something different. Yeah, And I think that's the hard part for fans right now. That's the juxtaposition that they're in is how much do I want to buy in and believe what I see in the season versus what I think they'll be in the postseason. That is your right as a fan, And I'm not telling you you should be excited by that.

I'm telling you what their rationale might be for like, very quietly, they're like, Okay, we take a step back this year, we clean up our cap. We can still make the playoffs, and you never know what's going to happen once we get there, and then in twenty three and twenty four we can make moves toward really improving this team. It shouldn't make you feel better about this year, and it's I think it's for us. It's a straighting

mentality if that is their mentality. But I can see the logic unless, of course, unless, of course, it is what I think it might be, that they're trying to remake the as Jalen said, the culture of this team, like they're trying to build this team in a way that maybe has either a little bit less talent but a lot more bravado and a lot more attitude, or

equal talent and more bravado and attitude. It seems it seems like a very cowboys thing to between the way that they run the ball, the way that they get after the quarterback, and the way that they're physical and kind of got some s in their neck like the Cowboys are like, Yeah, the forty nine ers got this thing figured out. We want to be like that. I can see that. Yeah, perfectly, that's me too, Like, that's that's what I think I'm seeing. Now. Again, I've not

been told that that's what I think. I'm just guessing. Yeah, And we kind of I don't remember if we talked about this on the break or not. But it'll be interesting because this year is a very very important year for someone in a high position of power, which is the head coach. And you know clearly there's no possible way that he's gonna take this lightly or whatever. He's gonna try the best that he can to make it happy years. Yeah, this is I mean, this is a

proven like, this is it I think for him. We all talked about it this past i mean this offseason, So we'll see what he can actually do with what the Cowboys have given him. So when the schedule comes out tomorrow, what do you guys typically look for? What do you look for in a schedule to kind of figure out you want the honest answer to that. Yeah, you can give me the honest answer, and then you can tell me the answer from the standpoint of the Cowboys.

I know it's personal. Yeah, I mean I look at like, Okay, I got a wedding, I'm supposed to be at. What weekend is that? Like? When when's the bye week? Who's LSU playing during the bye week? Like it's purely selfish on my end, And then after the first twenty and it's once I've got all that, let's talk about the yeah. Then I'm like, oh man, they play a lot of road games in December. Who's the team before Thanksgiving? I think that's all. I mean, Kansas City beat the hell

out of them the game before Thanksgiving last year. I think the wear and tear in that in that situation and whether or not you have to travel, uh, that type of stuff. Yeah, and when when the bye comes, Like if they get to training camp on July twenty fifth, how long are they playing football before they get a break? Stuff like that? Holidays, you know, Thanksgiving. You know they have two this year because Christmas Day is on a Sunday this year, so its possibility could be playing is

they're playing on Christmas Day too? Sorry, Mom and Dad? Which that's all My road becomes a big deal for that game, I don't think. I don't think the Cowboys are they all on Christmas Day? Not necessarily, but I'm saying it's a Sunday, so there will be a full slate of games, all right, it's only three on Sunday, the only three on Sunday and all the rest of

them one day Saturday. I'd be surprised if the Cowboys are on are on that on Sunday yeah, and because the thing is is that they're gonna make those games close, you know, geographically. So the Cowboys, well, Houston is Houston. They play Houston right yes, home, that that could be that, it could be that I could see the Houston being that game. Then you think the league cares that much

about people's travel on Christmas weekend? Go look at it. Yeah, I didn't mean that in like, I don't believe you know, just go look at the last few years on the Christmas Day. I mean, like it's Cleveland versus Green Bay. I mean it's it's probably I don't think you would go one day trips. I don't think the teams do that. I don't think they allow you to do that. But I mean it's it's quick travel, you get home quicker.

Well early games, Yes, it could be different. One game on Christmas, Rams, don't tell me it's Rams versus like the Giants, Rams Dolphins. No, Denver, Rams, Denver. I'm sorry, I'm sorry Rams Dolphins that I'm not trying to argue with you. But I remember vividly the Vikings played the Saints on Christmas a couple of years ago, and that ain't I mean, that's not a quick trip. I think it. I mean, I bet you there. Here's a go we had?

Was it Arizona? I think we had on Christmas those think about it though, those are pout as good as you can get. It was in Seattle, right, I mean Arizona, Tennessee. You know I'm only only play the Saints Kansas City in Houston so many times. If we travel might be day. Yeah, so am I writing? So if there's three games on Christmas Day, what that means there will be like twelve on Christmas Eve plus maybe a Thursday night football Yeah, which I wouldn't mind if we're Christmas Eve home or way,

I'm okay with that. Watch back by Christmas morning. I'm okay watch the watch the Cowboys be the Saturday night game on Christmas Eve, like seven thirty Christmas Eve. That does sound as kind of cowboys, very cowboys. Get it for you? Yeah you literally run? Yeah I could. I could see that. That sounds kind of fun though to be on I like, no see spoken to someone with no kids. Hey, better Christmas Eve you have in Christmas Day? Right? I mean, like to Derek's point, you'll be home, You'll

be home on Christmas morning. Problem still is like Christmas Eve for all of us that apparently, like you know, that's put together time, Like you gotta put all that stuff together and get in there. Isn't actually a man that shows up at your house and he he does it for you, Derek, you don't know who could be listening to this. I'm just saying, Okay, sure, but I'm just saying.

I'm just saying, like in my house, I get the lions here of that he doesn't help me enough, So I guess see into the drill, no deal, no, no, no doubt about it. What's a bummer for me, Like, what really depresses me is when Christmas Day is on like a Thursday, and you there, you gotta work so you can't go home, but it's just practice and press conferences. But like when there's a game on a big like I'm never bummed about We've talked, we talked about this

all the time. I'm never bummed about missing Thanksgiving because it's the game of the week, everybody's watching, it's a big event. You kind of you feel like you're part of something. So like to play a game on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day would actually be more exciting than just being like, well, I couldn't go home to see my family, but at least I get to listen to Dak's press conference. This is great. So like that, if I'm gonna do it, I might as well do it big.

It's all about perspective. Sure. Yeah, again, this is all coming from somebody with no kids and no wife. That's totally fair. Yeah, fine, but yeah, it's I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that that wherever we play, it's it's a Christmas Eve, because I don't want that Christmas Day one, definitely don't want it on the road. That's that's not what we're talking about. Stuff that really like fans don't care about

the fans, Oh they don't. They're actually probably like, man, it'd be nice to open gifts and then sit down and watch the cowboys getting Like that's what they care about the fans are I mean? And that's it's fair to I mean, we're gonna be looking at you know, are they gonna have like a triple triple road game or back to back short the walls in December? Like that's a huge one. Who what are the cold Yeah? You got cold weather cities in December? Like what does December.

Look like that's to me? Like, you know, I say this every year and um and even more so this year. I think I haven't seen the schedule yet, but you know, I always say Week two is huge, and it's a broken record. I say it all the time. What kind of team are you gonna be? Are you gonna be a team that that you know if you win with the first one, or are you going to be a team that goes one and one and you're in that eight and eight track or eight nine or whatever, or

are you gonna you're gonna stack some wins together? Or if you go oh and one, are you gonna go oh and two? I mean, I always think week two is a really big year, and uh, it seems like this year is even bigger. From what it sounds like you're implying something. Yeah, have you seen I haven't seen seen the schedule. I just I hear that that Week two has has a little ring to it or a few rings to it. Oh boy, So that's all I know. I just think a week two could be a could

be a big year, and it always is. I say it every single year, watch out for Week two. So what so, what do you got was a week to last year. I don't remember. Yes, it was, and it was the biggest it was and it was the biggest win of the year. You think about it, think about like again you start off. Oh, I guess from the standpoint a lot of things happened out of that game. Yeah, you found out that your best player on the field, it could do everything, do everything. That was a huge game. Yeah.

I was realized wrong, Yeah, I was wrong during that game. I was wrong. I was like sitting up there in the press, I think I was just like, he's so such a good player, why is he not on the field this? And the first half it wasn't working. Slater was beating him. But he went to the other side and he started rushing and it was like, okay, Like I could I could see it. But uh and they you know, Quinn smarter than me. I guess I'll give it, give him that when it comes to deef. So no,

but I thought that was a huge game. He found out Tony Pollard could do a little bit more. He found out Terrence Steele can actually block Bosa. You don't have to worry about it. There was a little a lot of good things you found out your kickers clutch. If they could just get a division game or two, I'm that I just caught that. Sorry, he always throws it.

If they could just get a division road game or two out of the way early, because remember they had to play all the division road games at the end of the year last year? Am I right in remembering that? Oh all the road games? Isn't that right? Seph Washington? Washington was late? Remember late? Wait which one was? It would seem like it was one of them that was not well, Philly was late. I'm pulling it up. Washing was late, and the Giants is always Yeah, I know

the Giants was. I don't remember at Philly. Oh yeah, they were all in. They were all they were all in. They were all in December. Washington was in December, New York was in December, and Philly was in January. Yeah, they were all at the end of the year. So if they could, if they could just get one or two of those division road games out of the way, they kind of they catch some breaks with on the weather front, like we already know they got to go

to Green Bay in November. That's a break, honestly, And then they don't play in a ton of cold weather cities other than Division teams, Like they play at Minnesota, which is a dome. They play in Nashville, which shouldn't ever be super cold. My tempting fah, seriously, it was. It was Christmas night. To go back to that Christmas Night two thousand, the Cowboys were the worst team they've ever been in all remember so bad got beat thirty one that Anthony right was our quarterback. I did not

make that. Yeah, you didn't make that. I like the odds of this not biting me in the butt. Nashville and LA are the only outdoor road trips outside of the Division. Yeah, so it can be cold there in Nashville coming off the water Bella. It is it is. They're gonna have it's open. It's open. It's technically an open air stadium. But even even if it is, it's LA.

I mean it does. We showed up for the first game, was it twenty twenty the first game, and you know, of course it was like a the air quality was low there. They didn't even know if they're going to play the game. And the whole time, I'm like, why does this even matter? Like I really thought they had a stadium but I think about as the covering. I guess that's where there's no is the covering. I thought he had a coverage. I'll never It's burned into my brain. Yeah, yeah,

that's my point. That's the only point I'm making. Like, I just think about open air as and I know what you guys are saying. I just think of as outside temperature has access to the playing field, right, seventy four degree right, it's always hilt. They also play they play outdoors in Jacksonville, which you also have to think about the opposite there in Jacksonville is too hot. It

can get pretty humid there. Yeah, absolutely, all right, I appreciate you guys do want to j While I was just mentioning, I think that Jacksonville is the only city that the cow in the NFL that the Cowboys have never won it. I think that's right. Cowboys have never won in Jacksonville. I don't think they won. They've What about Baltimore, They have won there. It might have been three of quit trying to throw the facts around them.

I'm sorry, I'm saying they've won in Jacksonville, not for a regular They didn't play a lot, haven't played lot and then we went to London when we're play Oh yeah, yeah, that's thinking they haven't beaten the Jackals, but that would be to open the year. Yeah, you think that's gonna happen open the year against Jacksonville again, and that's not gonna happen. I don't think unlikely, that's not gonna happen. All Right, We appreciate you guys. Johnas we were back tomorrow,

I'm I'm sorry. We'll be back next week. H Make sure you check out all the content we're putting up tomorrow around schedule release and then coming up on Thursday, Friday, Saturday. We got rookies in the building. We'll be getting lots of content around that until then. For Nick Eatman, Dave helm and an Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.