Cowboys Break: Breaking Down The Beatdown

episode number twenty nine. Welcome to the latest edition of the Break Clock from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and it's a happy Tuesday here at the Start. Cowboys get a big win last night, division win. They win forty one to twenty one over the hated Philadelphia Eagles, and uh, we just in there. Yeah, you know fans.

Fans are part of that. Fans hate the Eagles, like so it's it's good, it's perfect and uh and it was a game that that I think we all I don't think there are really a lot of surprises from that game because I think all of us picked them last week and I think we all picked them to win handily and they did. I don't know if we picked them win that handily, but we certainly thought this would be a lot side of game because I think

the Cowboys are just a better team. But let's start where we usually start the day after a game, and I'd like for you guys to give me, uh, just kind of your big picture takeaway from that game. Let's start with you, Dave, LF, M F and G. How about that. That's my big takeaway. That's how I feel. Uh, we're going in this morning. That was right, That was I said this. I said this on the radio a little bit ago. It wasn't It wasn't as clean as it could have been. It wasn't a perfect game. There

are no perfect games. But that Mike McCarthy's going to frame that in his office as like, this is the way that I want this team to win games. It was every It was all the hallmarks of what this team is capable of, in my opinion. An explosive offense with an absurd amount of ways to beat you, a ground game that can absolutely punish you and wear you down, a passing game that has six legitimate options that can hurt you. And that's without Michael Gallup even being healthy

enough to be part of it. A quarterback who is my god, Dak Prescott, is just in such command of this offense. The confidence it just like radiates off the field and all of that gives you a lead and allows your defense to be opportunistic and make plays and do things like pick off Jalen Hurts for a touchdown. It's a formula that we've seen work here time and time again, but maybe even more explosively because of the amount of talent that they have on offense, and was

just a thorough beat down. It was fun, nick Um. I mean, I thought, you know, you said there weren't a lot of surprises. I was surprised in the way that this offensive line um flipped the script, and not always in a in a great way, but they ran. They ran the ball down their throat. They really couldn't pass block very well, but they could run it and they got into the red zone and ran it in.

I thought that was impressive. I mean, usually this offensive line, the way it's been built, it's been a little bit more I wouldn't say finesse line, but they were a little more athletic and don't have as much problems with the passing. But they kind of did last night, but they were able to just kind of run it, and that set the tone for the entire game. That one driver they had a first and twenty they overcame. They had a first at nineteen, overcame that and still scored

a touchdown. I mean, I just thought, like Dave said, I thought, Dak is just masterful. I mean, his stat line is amazing. I mean that that's that's it. That's what you want right there. It's not a three hundred yard game to thirty six because they're winning and they're winning and they could run it and the running backs have one hundred and fifty yards and he's tell us three touchdowns. It takes whatever. Not worried if Cooper's stats

are big, not worried about seeding. Lamp just gonna take what they give him, yep, and not just take it aggressively, take it what they give him. And I'd love that about this team right now, because if you want to take away the wide receivers, then guess what. The tight ends will kill you if you want to. By the way, if you want to look at this team, even from the standpoint of let's say, for example, God forbid, running back goes down, You got another one. Tight end goes down,

You got another one. You've already lost the receiver. You got others right there are When you look at this team the way it's constructed offensively, it's not just will aggressively take what you give us. We also got backup, and we got backups on backups. So it's like they have a They have built an offense that really outside of the quarterback, and that's the big gap. Outside of the quarterback. They can sustain a lot of different hits and still be able to find a way to move

the ball. And that's what you love the most, what I love the most about this team. This offense is in amiba or water. You know, it takes the it puts on the shape of the vessel that it's in. It's way too deep for how a little sleep I got last name, I don't know. The frustly said b water and the Cowboys are water. I mean, like that's my point. They can kill you. They'll run for two hundred yards if you want them to, or they'll murder. I mean, Dak can throw for four hundred if you

I mean, we've seen him do it. And don't come at me. That like, oh, that's not a winning strategy that game, they had the lead with the minute to play. I mean, it's not like they were coming back in garbage time. Like people like to criticize DAK for. They can win whatever way you want to present. And it's

fun to think teams are gonna switch up. They're gonna see this and they're gonna they're gonna switch up and try to find new ways to combat this, and Kellen Moore is gonna say, cool, well we're this this week.

Have fun and it's just it's fun to watch. Speaking of Kellen Moore, man every time every game that he calls this year, I've walked away from the game being like, man, he is as as Bucky always says, he's in his bag, like he's coming up with the right calls at the right time, and some of them, by the way, don't work. There were moments last night, the end around down in

in in goal to ghost situation. There are a lot of people can question that I don't because I look at that and I'm like, hey, I like his creativity. Not everything he's gonna call it's gonna work, but I like the fact that he's just trying different things, and he has a method to what he's doing and I think most of the time it's working. It's a joy to watch through three weeks. Yeah, I mean, you're right that down there. They they kind of they messed that

up a little bit. Um. What I don't understand is that you know they love having McGovern in there as as a big fullback. Um, Chris, he wasn't in there on those on that play on that fourth and fourth and one, and but you wanted him to just destroy the quarterbacks back. So I don't know that's that's a little weird, but hey whatever. Yeah, yeah, he said just run him at that. I'm like, no, don't run him at deck. Just hit back in the back and through

he worked for Reggie Bush. Yeah, it's true. Score young quarterback that hadn't had some hadn't had a big injury. I'm like, don't hurt my quarterback. Why can't we get this guy cam over the goal line? Well, they did have it have an angle. They did have an angle that was high if you remember the high, but it wasn't and it was it wasn't right on it. If it would have been right on, then you could actually see it. No, this is this ball would have been

still been covered. Like that's the problem with that whole thing. You couldn't see whether they couldn't really see. Y'all are on the right track, but you're not going far enough in twenty twenty one. Why don't why don't both noses of the football have a chip in it? Look and you can say, let's consult the eagle eye, just like Tennis has been doing since I was like five. Yeah, they're like, oh, yeah, it went like yep, there it is little graphics like a red light. I'm not absolutely

with you. I'm absolutely as a matter of fact, you want to talk about technology. Between that and just having a sideline where they just track with a laser where the ball is and where it needs to go for the first down, there is no question of whether you crossed the plane for a first down our goal line, Like all this stuff is very easily doable. Technology is

the most profitable American sports league. And they're like, these two pudgy dudes with chains are gonna mark the progress of the ball just to emphasize, as they typically all, Yeah, to emphasize that they're not at the top of their game when no offense to those guys. I could stand to spend more time in the gym too, But that's just it's ridiculous. They're like, well, that guy's butt got in the way, so I guess we don't know if

DA's like, are you kidding me? Stops. It is always weird to me, Like it never matters until the end of the game, but it is weird. Like when the guy just goes down and the guy comes running from the sideline and just gets the ball and cleans it off and then puts it down. I'm like, this isn't right. The one that gets me is the punt that goes out of bounds and the guy's back here and he's just running, like you have no freaking clue where that ball When they're just gonna run to you get tired

and you say twenty eight yard line unbelievable. I mean, did not wind up mattering, but I that's that is as incensed as I have ever been, probably since the des catch. I just really yeah, yeah, because okay, it was ridiculous and talk about I mean, all the things that happened last night. Yeah, d just decides to show up at that rib. Mike McCarthy, that's probably the best part of it. I wish we had video of that. That would have been so great. I wasn't I actually

wasn't there. I was in the overflow room talking to Parsons and Zach, but Rob was there. Yeah. DA's just as if, yeah, as if that wasn't fun enough, Dad's Bryant sticks his head in and he's just like, hey. During Mike's prescott, Mike, I caught that ball in Green Bay. You know that's also He's wandering around the tunnels, just dapping everybody up, just like a family reunion. And he's wearing an eighty eight jersey and I was like, does you're not really wearing your own jersey, are you? Nope?

It was the Ceedee Lamb jersey. Just showing love for the young guy. Ah, I love that guy. Yeah. Was he was awesome, Like he was so excited and he could not wait. He was waiting like like a little kid on Christmas. He could not wait for Jerry Jones to come out of the locker rooms. We could talk to Jerry, and you know, of course Jerry was in that mood. We're just you know, so excited and everybody

and you know what I thought was cool too. I know we're going on to Tanni, but I thought it was it was neat he was down there, and you know, we remember Dez's career in different ways, a lot of different things happening. But when you see the practice squad guys, the Jaquan Hardis and guys that are running off the field and all that, and they see and that, they do a triple take like that's right, and it's like heydes and then they just stopped because it's this is

our generation. They're like, can I get a picture? He took more pictures with guys that he doesn't that never played with and all that. He's days, you know, and players love him and fans love him and stuff like that. So I thought that was cool, you know, the cherry on top of a very nice Sunday. Yeah, I mean it was good. It was It was a lot of Cowboys royalty, obviously because of what was happening at halftime, but that that was the part that made me a

little nervous. If there was ever anything that made me nervous about that game, Nick, you and I've experienced this a lot games where they're doing celebrations, they don't always end up to work out too well for the Cowboys, and so I was a little bit like, man, I every time of celebration, I'm a little bit anxious, but it mant it by even by halftime once they get to that one time, well it was bad though. It was really bad. No, I'm talking about Baltimore. They're closing

the stadium game. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, some time about Watchington. That was horrible. That was a horrible night as they were closing Texas Stadium. But no, I mean, I mean it just it was just like, even by halftime, you already got the sense, oh, Dallas is going to run away with this game. Of course, Dave, you and I were kind of going back and forth like are they really maybe they will. It's twenty seven. We weren't going back and forth. You just you ride the emotion of

whatever's happening in a game. And I'm just like, haven't you been doing this for twenty years? Like don't you just just pull back, just pull back and take the whole whole thing in. And what I told you was the two teams I wrote route the most for Dallas and the Longhorns. They have put me through a lot. I get it a lot, and so I got PTSD. I don't trust anything anything that creeps up, it looks a little funny. I'm like, well, WHOA, what's going on here? Derek?

Just to give y'all some content. Like before halftime, Derek was like, man, you should start writing your story. You can get out of here early tonight. And then like one play went against the Cowboys and Derek's like, oh my god, it's happening again. I was like, dude, how do you live like this? Like just don't know. So anyway, it's bad. All right, let's jump into the game. I wanted to go through some of the storylines that we talked about going into the game and see how they

turned out for the Cowboys. One of the things we talked about last week was Philadelphia. Philadelphia was eighteenth and rushing defense. They were allowing one hundred and twenty yards per game. It's signaled that again Dallas, coming off a game with they had one hundred and ninety eight yards on the ground against the Chargers, that this may be a game where they would rely on the run again

as a team. They had one hundred and sixty yards rushing on forty one carry Zeke was seventeen for ninety five yards a five point six average, followed that up with eleven for sixty with a five point five average. What were your thoughts on the Dallas rushing attack last night. I'll be honest, I was impressed. I thought they'd be able to run the ball, but I thought they were dominant. I mean, the stat sheet says they only ran for three point nine to carry, but Lamb's end around and

some dack scrambles are thrown in. I mean, if you take the two running the running backs were averaging almost six yards a carry. I thought that was really impressive. I know Philly doesn't have great linebackers, but Hargrave Cox, you know, they that speaks for itself, and they just took it to him. I mean they ran the ball twenty five times in the first half. And I wrote about this last night. It was it was vintage Zeke in the sense of just beating somebody down until they

don't want it anymore. In the fourth quarter, I thought that's exactly what was happening, yep. I mean I thought he ran as well as we've seen in a while and just got some some tough yards and finished off some runs and five yards, I mean as long as was a thirteen yard. There was a couple in there that he just that one I remember down by the goal line where he just basically was like, well, I'm just gonna run at you and just run you over. And he's getting another three four, and he really pushed

the pile his way. And that's something I've been critical on with this offensive line, is you're gonna have to push their way back in. And I really I thought that having first and night, first and ten. You know how I am by first and goal at the ten and a nine, I mean it's like a death sentence. Well, first and goal from the nineteen, I mean, just zerline, just get out there, I mean, you know, and they get six yards the Cooper, a ten yard run by Zeke, and then on third and three just run it in.

I thought that was as impressive because that that really changed the game. Instead of it being seventeen seven, it's twenty to seven because they missed the extra point. You know, kickers have to mess up things. But it is funny though, how it's that you talk about riding the wave. I mean, he missed an extra point and it's like what's wrong with this guy? I mean the guy that drilled the

fifty six yards to beat the Chargers. Or It's funny though, because back and forth, I can't get out of the habit, even knowing that Zerlines had his struggles, Like they score the touchdown and I immediately I'm like, Okay, what was that scoring drive? What did they do? Who did this? Who did that? And you're putting it in context and

you look up and you're like, god, they missed? What the And for so many years with Dan Bailey you could get away with that, and so I have to like train myself like, Nope, you gotta watch the extra point too. Yeah, you don't know what's gonna happen. I was gonna save this. But since we're already talking about it, do you get a little bit concerned? Though? I know you say, yeah, he drilled that fifty six yard to win that game for you last week. Not a lot

of kickers in the league can do that. But the number of missus d he's head and you're talking about some extra points on top of that. You started to me, at least I start to get a little bit concerned about consistency because you want to be able to just count on your kickers in certain situations is something we used to talk about all the time when they were having more, you know, kind of turnover at the kicker position.

You prefer the guy that can make really big kicks, really long kicks, or do you prefer the guy that forty and in extra points even forty five in in he's money, He's gonna make it every single time. And I kind of just like the consistency that does bother me a little bit. What about y'all? Yeah, it should, no,

I mean, nobody should feel great about it. And I just think the reality is there's only kind of like with quarterbacks, Like how many teams in the league just have a kicker where they're like, we feel great about this all the time every time. It's just cowboys were spoiled to have it with Dan for as long as they did, and they don't have it right now. I don't. I don't have an answer to it yet. I'm not ready to fire him. Yeah yeah, and I'm a better

options I personally. What I just need you to be able to hit from forty to fifty, honestly, because that's when you're getting down close in the red zone or near the red zone and the drive stalls, and that's not an easy field goal, but one that you should make. That's what I care about. Points you should care about. I mean, I care about all of them at the

end of the day. But if you can reliably hit those mid range kicks, I think that that's more likely to win you and lose you games, understanding that you don't want to miss. This is not Brett Maher situation where the guy, you know, he's hitting sixty yards and you don't know if he could kick anything else. Um. But yeah, I mean, is that that's not the second miss it's the first miscester point. But the one in Tampa was I think shorter than that. Um No, then

he missed it. Yeah, he has one two and he's missed three basically inside of thirty five yards. Um, that's that's concerned. That's concerning in three games. It is, Um, there's not. I mean the guys out there on the street are on the street because they've missed some too. So it's all about you know, who's the guy they brought in two years ago? I mean Kai four Bath. They brought in Kai four Bath. I think he was

twenty and twenty I mean extra points, field goals. But he that was a good stretch because he's had bad stretches. That leads you to the streets, and that's that's what happened. So I mean, I I trust him more than I don't. But yeah, it's you know, it's it's shaky. We're just we're gonna circle it and keep an eye on it. And I don't know what else you can do about

it other than say it's concerning. Probably not so concerning that you need to make a roster move, but hopefully it doesn't bite you in a worse way if you're gonna, yeah, let's have that happened in twenty point. When I mean not not nail biters. I mean you're gonna bring you know, Hira lahu or whatever. I'm sorry, I don't know that. I mean, like, do you think that would make anyone feel good? And the tough thing about kickers is it's I don't even know if it's and I don't know this.

You guys may know this. I don't know that. It's a situation where okay, okay, kicker, we're gonna work on this and we're gonna get you more reliable, Like at this stage of his career, he knows what he's supposed to do. He does it every single day. It's just for whatever reason, got a little bit too much of it this way, or I got too high on my whatever it was, Like, I don't know that that you

can work that out. It's only a mental thing at this point of your kicker having to find that mental consistency, and so I don't even know how you make him better. It's very similar to Zeke's fumbling issues last year. Like you think Ezekiel Elliott doesn't know the proper way to carry a football, like ass happens. I mean, you gotta fix it, but I don't. There's not some cure all of like like Greg's airline knows how to kick an extra point, you just gotta do it, like I don't.

I don't know what else to say. And that's the part that's worth something to me. I guess is that I don't know how they fix this other than Greg just getting it together right, and that's you can do. You're relying a lot on him getting it together. And by the way, if you're gonna have designs on doing the things that we think Dallas has the capabilities of doing. They're gonna be playing some really good games, and those

extra points are gonna matter. Those field goals that are thirty something yards that you just count on, they're gonna matter. So I think they gotta they gotta figure out a way to get him to a point where he's able to do that more consistently. All Right, it's like our first break when we come back. I did have a couple more questions about the running game, and particularly the split split on carries. We saw Zeke get a lot

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Welcome back. It is the second segment of the break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the Star, We're talking about the Cowboys big win over Philadelphia forty one to twenty one. Cowboys moved to the lead of the NFC East in this early part of the season. Three games in they are two and one, the other Philadelphia and Washington are both one and two, and Giants

pulling up the rear a O and three. It's over and quite frankly, I'm not even sure that the Giants haven't played the best of those three teams if you look at all their games, But they're sitting at oh and three. The other two teams are at one in too, and so you know, I don't know about that. The Giants look like trash. Bossington certainly doesn't look great, So I don't know. I mean, I just that this division, I think is obviously right there for the Cowboys to

take it. I don't see really anybody posing much of a threat from what we've seen so far, but well, we'll see. And injuries are still a part of games. That's always the part of the wild card with the NFL, right, Yeah, And that's what's kind of interesting about this team is that you know, you're you're hoping, you know, this team stays healthy, but they're not really when you think about it. I mean, you got DeMarcus Lawrence, your best pass rusher

and best defensive end. That's out. Michael Gallup's out. I mean, Leo Collins is out right now. And you know, I just I don't know the other than d law because I think you could definitely, you know, have him help. But I mean, I'm not saying that Cedric Wilson is just as good. But like in a pick your poison type offense, there's gonna be games where Michael Gallop goes to for seventeen and has you don't need the Gallot to be successful. As the point, you can be successful

without Michael Gallop. I mean I think you could. I don't want to put this to the test, but you could probably be successful without any one of those three. As long as you have two of the three, I think you're okay. Actually, I will take it one step further, And what I'm going to say from now on on our show is I don't even want to say. If they stay healthy, if Dak stays healthy, yes, they can do pretty much what they're doing right now. They have they have depth in the right places, and he is

the trigger man that makes everything go. The defense feeds off this offense. The offense feeds off Dad. So if Dak is there, I think the sky's the limit for this team. And also, to Nick's point, as much as last year sucked, how much did it help to get some seasoning for those guys who need I mean, is Terrence Steele look as good as he looks without just getting thrown into the flat fire last year? Guys along the defensive front. I know Dorn's Armstrong didn't play in

this game, but he seems like he's taken a step forward. Uh. Cedric Wilson got opportunities last year for similar reasons. Uh, I think the best. We don't have any other choice. But yeah, are we twenty five minutes into the show without bringing up Trayvon? Well, We're gonna get to that because I got a whole segment we gotta do on the defense, and I think it is one of the most fascinating turnarounds that I've witnessed with the Cowboys in a one year span with young players. Dalton Schultz being

another one. I mean he is he is a badassah And like like a year ago, at this time, we were like this guy worth a crap. We were like, is he gonna make it out of training camp, like, yeah, he's he that might be the most even maybe more impressive than Terrence Steele. Uh. And we said all through training camp, I was like, it's gonna be a committee. They're gonna do this and do that. And Blake Jarwin

still has a role to play. I mean, he's had a couple nice catches in every game this year, but it's clearly Schultz's show right now, and it should be based on what he's doing. And you got a decision to make. I mean, I understand. I'm just saying that you have to talk about he's a free agent. I mean, gallup, I mean, do you want to really let him go at this point? Let's let's I know, but you I know,

I know, I I know. I'm I'm just laughing because that's the nature of football is you've got to start thinking about this stuff. And I'm sure they are still, like I'm sure Stephen and Will are thinking about it. They have to. They may just be like, hey, let's get this thing done in the in the bye week er. And then of course his agents smarts like we don't think no, We'll wait. Yeah, so you know, and and I'm just saying the free agents that that they have

they have some free agents. It's it is early to think about it, but I mean with with Connor Williams and Randy Gregory and man Michael Gallup and Cedric Wilson and Dalton Schultz. I mean, and don't forget this is the other part to that. I think both of your coordinators might be out the door when you come to it offseason. So right now, what I've already decided my mind, you better enjoy this year and you better get the

most you can get out of it. Because the turnaround that Quinn has gotten from this defense and what we already talked about, what Kelly Moore is doing every week, Like if that continues throughout this year, the likelihood that those guys get opportunities to go on and be head coaches again, or at least for Quinn again, it's pretty strong.

I'm not everything y'all just said is right, but I just hate that we're doing no. But that's the part of being nervous, like, oh my god, You've got to take advantage of this opportunity because you may not have this opportunity once you get past this year. This may be one of those years where everything has come together at this moment. You better get the most you can get out of it because everything may change next year.

All right, let's talk a little bit more. I did have one more question for you guys on the running backs. We look at the split and we've been talking a lot about this over the first two weeks, But this game, Zeke had twenty touches, Pollard had twelve. It was clear to me anyway, even from the beginning of the game, before the game began, when Zeke Grant runs out there as your offensive captain, that I think they were trying

to make a statement. Zeke's still very very very important what we do, and I expected that they were going to ride him, and they absolutely did. Is this more of kind of what we probably can't expect throughout the year that Zeke still is going to get the bulk of the carries. There will be games when Pollard's being used a little bit more because of what he offers for that particular game, but Zeke is still your main guy. Well, and I think this is part of the reason I

thought last week was so weird. It was the same thing. I know, Pollard had more carries and had one hundred yards he's still I think he got thirty eight or thirty five percent of the snaps last week, and Zeke got like sixty five. It was seventy thirty last night. It just so happened. Zeke looked more like the work horse who took all these probably got more of the ball carries. Right, even though he was out there less snap, the share of the of the snaps was the same

as it was last week. And Yeah, I think that's what we can expect. It's always going to fluctuate. It could go anywhere from twenty five percent to forty percent, but I think Zeke is going to hover between sixty and seventy five depending on the game. And I think that's right. I think they're playing this exactly the right way. I mean, one hundred percent agree with all that. I think that. Um, I just I like the way Zeke is running the ball right now. I mean he looks

like a guy that is focused on the fumbles. I mean, he's definitely cleaning that up. He's also looked like a guy that that when he you know, he looked leaner this year and he's running that way. I mean, he's you can just kind of tell there's a little bit more burst. And and I love what's tappening with Pollard because at the end of the year, we've seen Zeke I mean, gets a lot of carries and he kind of wears him down. Right now, I think these two

guys together will will help each other. And I mean, if Corey Clement can get three carries at the end of the game, I mean, and and Cooper rush handon in the ball, I mean, that's that's a good sign to the d of the game. Um, let's let's move to the defensive side of the ball. I want to start first, we're talking about Philadelphia strategy. I found this shocking when I looked at the post game statistics, uh Dallas Hell. Philadelphia to sixty four yards rushing on twelve carries.

That was a five point three average. But they only had two rushing opportunities for their primary back Sanders, and one of those was a twenty four yard run. Were you as shocked as I was that they didn't get their running back more involved in that game and at least try it more, even if even if it didn't work. It seemed like they were having a hard time getting a rhythm and he had one really big run. Are

you surprised that they didn't use him more? Yeah, I'm surprised that anybody wouldn't try to attack this team on the ground after what we saw last year. And clearly they're playing much better. But has anybody really and truly tested them that way? I mean, Tampa through the ball fifty times. It was all Herbert last week. Nobody's really committed to that, and the only the only thing I can come up with is just that. And I can picture a coach saying this, because I've heard Jason Garrett

do it like a million times. It's just the game sort of got away from them. I mean they could the Eagles. I mean they could not establish any kind of rhythm. I'm looking at three plays, three plays, three plays, four plays, five plays. That was their first half, and they're down thirteen points and so and now all of a sudden, you gotta change the way you play espect and then what the third player the second half, they

go down twenty because of the pick six. So I can picture a coach saying like, oh, the game kind of got away from us, but I think you got to try it a little bit harder. I mean, not that the Cowboys are complaining. Yeah, yeah, I mean I know that's not what they want to do and run the ball, but I mean Sanders can you know he can be effective. I mean, he was a good He's

been a good back your last couple of years. Yeah, I mean with with with the inexperience that they have up there, I mean with Osa and you know, well they were down so many guys because of Ay in the middle of their defensive line. I mean, there's not many things. I mean, I'm not saying you should make a living testing Michael Parsons, but I do want to see what it's like. I mean, I think teams should try to run at him and see he's not he doesn't have the the build of a normal defensive end.

He's aggressive, he likes to get up the field. You can use that against him sometimes. And I'm just kind of curious out now that it's been two full games of it, why teams aren't running it a little bit more at him? And maybe that will come maybe, you know, maybe it's talk about the time Dlogue gets back in there and he's back the linebacker and then run at him. Yeah, but yeah, man, Yeah, it's weird to me. I don't.

I don't have a great animal for him. He played a nice game and that was a tackle he guy for a loss where they ran right at him. I thought it was I want to say it was. That was a big play. Yeah, it was the second or third down. It was it was like it was a first it was a second down because it was second and two or second one. They just got nine yards to to um Ben Sanders. Somebody got nine yards and

then and then um he made a nice play. I thought that was that was one of my five changing plays because I mean I thought that that led to a punt um and that was one like you're not full and me on it. Yeah, But I mean he made a handful of like small kind of hidden plays. The deflection I think it was on the second down in the third quarter led to a punt chase down Jalen Hurts when he scrambled. I mean it was only like a three yard game. It could have gone for

a lot more. I thought, Yeah, but this, I mean, let's talk about I mean that the spy was for the most part, was Jalen. I mean, he was the spy in the game. And you know, Jalen Hurt Jalen on Jalen and Jalen hurts did not really hurt them. That sounds weird, but with because Jalen's with him, he played well. He played well, and I think our bars obviously lower and we're not expecting a lot from him or not really sure, especially when it comes to running

sideline to sideline. I think dan Quinn has got him playing better football. I really do. I think this is a this is a good set up for him. There are you can see flashes of the old Jalen and you know, we got four hours asleep. I haven't had a chance to watch the game back, but you can go. There are plays last night where you can see him ruggling to get off of his block or even doing that weird thing Jalen does where he seems like he's

running out of his out of the lane. Yeah, but he is playing pretty well in the role that Quinn is designing for him. And honestly, again without having seen it again, it seemed like Jalen was doing whatever kind of spying they were doing. Like it wasn't Mica. Obviously, Jalen had that responsibility. Every time I heards got out of the pocket. There was one guy running him down and like more often than not, it didn't go poorly. I mean, watching watching him gear up to get out

to the numbers is an adventure. I don't know how else to say it, but but it didn't burn them, I guess is the point. I mean, the answer is in the numbers. In the last two games, Jalen hurts at sixty two yards on the ground against Atlanta, he had eighty two against San Francisco. He had thirty five

last night. So whatever they did seemed to work. And a lot of the times, like I said, when you found him outside the pocket, it was Jalen Smith who was who was chasing him and running him down and keeping him from getting very classic hats to the football too. There was the one sack where he was like, are we giving quarters of a sack out right now? Because like Jalen was in there, everybody Osa was in the hour. Yeah, so I thought for sure we'd seen some swiping going

on after that. Yeah, he got up. I don't know if I don't know if he's kind of just given up on the swipe, but he kind of got up and he wanted to celebrate and he did something different. He didn't swipe, But I haven't really seen the swipe this year, and he's had some much swipeable moments. He's had at least two or three. You know, he's playing I thought. I think he's one of those guys that's playing surprisingly okay. And what that means is based upon

what I thought of him coming into the year. I'm not disappointed in his play right now, not at all, especially when you ask him when you think about what's happened here. Yeah, I mean, I mean because of the injuries and everything that's happened to defensive end, Mica has been taken away from the linebacker spot and he's had to play more, especially in the nickel Kean O'Neil's out

and basically Parsons was out too. In Layton, vander Esche played the nickel down in a game where you know that they like to run and throw in the quarterbacks mobile and all that, and it did not hurt him, So you gotta go hats off to them as well. And you know, we get a chance to talk to him after the game, you know, and the last two weeks he's come over to us and Chris, our producer, he's right there and you can just kind of tell Jaalen, I don't know if he's different. I think he's been

somewhat humbled with he here's the criticism. He knows. I think he's trying to really just put his head down and work and and and you know, you gotta give him. You gotta give him credit for I think he's played. He's played pretty well, and give dan Quinn credit for, you know, getting him in a position to do that. You look at at Mike we were talking about Michael Parks. Did you look at his stat line from last night? He had four tackles, half a sack, one tackle for

a loss, and five quarterback pressures. The quarterback pressures, I think is what's so fascinating to me. Um looking at Mica at this point, enough of I think I've seen enough. But do you I just think at this point you would continue to play him at defensive end for as long as because he the vast chartist snaps last night, we're at defensive end. Do you keep him at defensive end now full time until the point where at least

until Tank is back. That needs to be part of what he does, That needs to be a significant part of his role every week. But the fun thing is, and he said this last night he was asked about it, Yeah, I think he played thirty three of his snaps at end and he played thirty seven steps. But he's not charging up the field every time like he dropped a few times. He can get out into the flat. He can do some of that stuff. So it's it's more it's he's not just making a bee line for the quarterback.

But that's how they played the DeFi defensive end in the scheme. No, I absolutely, but he's well suited for that, I guess, is my point. If you want me to be honest, when Tank does some of that stuff, I'm like, restaurants just go forward. But with Mica, I'm like, yeah, absolutely, you can have some fun with this. You can confuse some quarterbacks. You can get a pick that way a guy with his athleticism and wait at disguise things that'll come.

So that absolutely needs to be a huge part of his role, but you can kind of tinker with it. I still love the idea of him having the versatility to do more than just get up field, but he clearly needs to be doing a lot of this, at least until to Marcus Lawrence is healthy again. All right. What we're gonna do is gonna take this final break. When we come back, I want to talk about the other two young guys on this defense, Trayvon Diggs and

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com slash Miller Lighthouse. Your tailgate just got jealous. Final segment of the Breakway are front for the the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We're talking about the Cowboys win. They beat the Philadelphia Eagles forty one to twenty one. Let's talk about those defensive players. Trayvon Diggs last night, man, I don't even know what you really say about this guy. He's had three interceptions in three games. First time a Cowboy player has done that to start

a season since Everson Walls. That goes back away. In addition to that, you got a guy like Osa Odiggi Zoo had four tackles, one and a half sacks, one tackle for a loss. You look at those two guys combined with Michael Parsons, and you look at this defense and you say, you know, you add in a Dan Quinn and all of a sudden, this defense is playing

really really good football. And there what's really making them, I think, really good is the fact they're turning the ball over like they're taking the ball away from teams. And really, you listen to Mike McCarthy says, they've been doing this since last year. I'm impressive as this coop into you so far incredibly And I actually I thought about this last night. I can hear myself at some point in the offseason because you talk about you gotta go from worse to middle of the pack in one year,

and how realistic is that really? And you're like, well, I guess if they I guess if just everything hits I guess if these bargain bin free agents are actually good, and I guess if they hit on a bunch of draft picks, maybe they can turn this thing around quickly. And lo and behold, like, what what's happening right now? Micah Parsons is a dude OsO DIGGI zoo as a dude underrated, Jeron Curse and Demante Casey. Throw Malie Cooker in there too. I tweeted this last night. They gave

those guys a million dollars in guarantees combine. They were I mean, no money, nothing, and that's in the spring. I looked at it and I was like, Okay, well, they're kind of showing you how much faith they have in these guys based on what they were willing to pay them, and they're all playing like studs. Throw in Treyvon Diggs, who we kind of had an inkling. He looked great in training camp. He was their best dB

last year. And it just low and behold, like it never happens like this where it all comes together in one year, But that's what's happening right now. Yeah, you know, and I don't want to take anything away from the defense, but I really believe that this starts with the offense. The offense has helped this defense become better. And it's because, unlike last year, the offense is getting off to fast starts. They're scoring early. Their score I mean not even even

in the Tampa game they didn't they moved the ball. Well, they didn't score that game, but then the second drive they did, they stayed in it. They were right in that mix. Of course, the last two games they've scored. I think that's really helping the defense. But I don't want to I don't want to take him away what they're doing. And then this is three games in a row they've got to turnover inside the two yard line, either in the end zone or the two yards that's

protecting the goal line. I mean, they had that fumble of Tampa, the interception against the Chargers last weekday interception which led to a touchdown. Yeah. The other way, it sucks for Anthony Brown that he finally makes a big play and gets people off his back a little bit and it leads to, you know, the best play of Philly's night probably Yeah. I mean, if he was a little chunkier, he probably would have been in the end zone.

But then against hard to play, Yeah, just cheak here. Yeah, if he had an ass nice who were you talking about? What you said Leary was Ron Leary? I just no, there, and I think you're absolutely right. I mean, there it is. Here we go having an offense that can dictate the pace and the flow of the game. And I mean the Eagles were on their heels from the moment this game started, and I think that does matter. But I also think this defense just has some swag to it.

And yeah, obviously Micah did kazy curse. I mean, curse is over there, mixing it up with the whole Eagles sidelines like waving by at him, which I love me too. M Trayvon Digs. He's he's fun man, and I mean the pick is one thing, but he just he contested every ball that went his way. And that's why I hate the tawning penalty because he knocks that ball down and just like flex is on the guy like yeah, yeah, yeah, there we go. It's just it's fun. It's fun to

see guys play without much confidence. Let's talk about can I can I get it like two minutes here, which might guy, I'm sorry to dell it, But if we're talking about swag, I mean, you know, it's not just with the players. I loved what we were able to do. I mean, Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys, America's team, and we get people to take shots at us all the time every week. I like, how we you know what, we fought back and they didn't say anything about that damn T shirt

all week long. And then as soon as that game's over, our social media team we were ready. I mean, and everybody, everybody's been talking about it. Well played and all that's been a lot of you know, it was classy, was done very well. Kudos to you, you, Shannon, that whole social team, because you know we're the Cowboys. We don't even taking that every every time I thought, I thought they did a great job, and yes we play Philly again, deal with it. It was it was actually and I

don't I don't take any credfit. It was the social team. It was Audrey west Kind, it was enough on it. It was Presley Arians and we And that's the thing when they brought it to me, initially, my first thought was,

oh my god, we haven't done this. This is not something we typically do because our brand is not it doesn't necessarily work with our brand like, that's not been our brand because, like you said, every team takes shots at us all the time, and it happens on social media so much, and we just kind of just let it go because you know, that's kind of the brand. But we were like, you know, this is entertainment. Let's have some fun. And the great part about it was

the people I talked to within the organization. Everybody was kind of on the same page, like, you know what, let's go have some fun. This is entertainment. Let's go have some fun. What it should and uh, and let's just see what happens that. And it worked out that crew works really hard. They worked hard. They worked long after and you know we all do, but they really do there to come up with it, you got to come up with stuff all the time. So I thought

that that was well played. I just wanted to give them some shout out the way that the way that they scratching, like they go, oh, I sound like Jason Garrett, Oh no, do it? They scratching, claw and fight. But the problem is, did it too. I'll tell you anything. They can be. They could be the best in the world at their jobs. But if the team sucks, it ain't.

There's nothing they can do about it. So they are at the mercy of how good the team is and for you know, to fight through how awful last year was and like everything they do is just getting met with derision. I hope you can appreciate as cool as you thought the shirt graphic was. That means everything to a social team who was just like, yes, a win, like a win on the field, but a win for us. We get to do something fun and kind of revel

in it. It's just great and real quick before you get to your point, we all lived through that in twenty sixteen. It was a year win that there was We got to do so much cool stuff because the team was young, they were fresh, they were winning, and they were doing it in a flashy way. So it allowed us to take everything we did to a whole different level. And we're doing Finish this fight videos and we're doing Zeke eaton videos, breakfast club and sting and

it's it's going crazy. Like that's the beauty of this business. When you get a great season. When you think about college teams that they have great you know, video department stuff like that, colle the best teams, Yeah, you know, but there is one out there in Colorado State or something like that that doesn't do well, but they have great It's hard to do it when you're when you're winning. But you said that about I sound like Jason Garrett. I think I wrote something. I was like, he's just

getting better right in front of our own eyes. I was like, it's not too big, it's not too big. You can't see the steam coming out of his ears

real quick. How impressive is this defensive performance when you consider all the guys that they don't have right now, when you think about the fact they're without Tank, they're without Joseph Gallimore, Neil Watkins, Gallop and not There are a ton of guys right now that they are not that they don't have because of injury, because of COVID, and they're still being able to put together some really great games, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

How much better will they be once they're at full strength? But way better, I mean you should be, especially with Gallimore. I think that's a big one right there. Um, maybe Tristan Hills Galisa. I like that defensive combination there in the middle. I love it. I get I'll take this because I haven't. I haven't been a downer today, have I No, But I'll tell I mean, I just I kind of ride the fence a little bit. They've been great. I don't talked about the half time yet. I just

they they've been solid and it has been impressive. What they don't have, the way they're making do um. I'm just I'm I don't know. I'm not ready to crown them yet. I think that just fine. I don't think highly of that Philly team. They should have won that game comfortably. And then the chunk players are there. I mean, Herbert did it. Some of it got waved off by flags, but the chunk players were there. Week two. The week one the Eagles hit them for You can kind of

expect that. But it's been a common theme across all three weeks. I have a much easier time tolerating it at Tampa and at LA as opposed to home against a not that special Philadelphia offense. Again, not trying to take too much shine off of them, but like cover a tight end maybe, I mean tight end crossing routes killed them last night. So there were just a few.

And when I say chunk, I mean a chunk play can be fifteen yards, but they had some thirty five, twenty five, probably even a forty yard gain in there. So I just know it's not Doomsday two point zero. That's all I'm trying to say yet. But you know, I also think of that, and I think part of

that from in my mind at least. I don't know if this is accurate, but in my mind I look at I say that is to me, maybe I can put that on the fact that when you have a coordinator who kind of knows how he wants to do things, and if you're getting by the way, they haven't had so many chunk plays that it's really hurt them. They've given up a few. So what that says to me is maybe there were just sometimes when the call was just the call that doesn't work against what they're doing offensively,

and then you get a chunk play. I'm willing to give them that because they've been way better on most plays, and especially when they get in the red zone they tend to stiffen up. So I'm kind of and I gotta give them a little bit of a pass on that. I think people lose sight of the fact too, that you're gonna give those up. It's the NFL. I mean, you're you're gonna give up three hundred, three hundred and fifty yards. I mean the yards have to come from somewhere.

So I get that, and I will say it might it might not matter how quote unquote good they are if they keep playing this opportunistically, like, give up as many chunk plays as you want. If you get me two takeaways a week every week, which that's when you're not turning to the ball over right, I mean that's a big ask. But defend the goal line, which as Nick pointed out, they've been great at, and forced takeaways.

I mean the rest will sort itself out. Ye, all right, we got to get to the topic we've been talking about a lot of great happened last night. We do because I think it's fair because, to be honest with you, in the game last night, this moment was probably the moment that most fans had the largest problem with. Most

Cowboys fans had the biggest problem with. You're getting to the end of the half, and basically most fans wanted to see Mike McCarthy use one or two of his timeouts there at the end of that game or the end of that half to give the offense and opportunity to be able to see if maybe they could get down the field. I personally thought it was a mistake not to do it. And again, I think when it comes to this kind of stuff, it's all a matter

of preference. You're up twenty seven, so I get where the coach is like, hey, you know it's it's it's one of the things I felt good about where we were. Didn't fuck we needed to press it. Okay, fine, I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's a personal preference. I look at and say that they probably should have done it. What were your thoughts on what they did? They're heading into the end of the half. Well, I you know, I like to talk all the time up

in the press box. I'm trying to coach, and you know, act like I know anything. That one just I'll tell you I didn't. It didn't stand out to me. I didn't. I wasn't senting there saying time out, time out. I didn't have a problem with it, certainly, not as much as other people do. I looked at it more kind of the same way. I'm kind of content with this

one thing. I didn't like was. They were running it great, they were moving the ball, very balanced, and that setting you're gonna get penned back probably inside your own ten. The center can't, the center's having problems, the left guards having problems. If there anything that could go wrong here, and I just didn't think it needed to do it. So I saw his point, and I'll just say this. Coaches, they're gonna look at it. They're gonna view it, and

they say, you know what, I'm okay with this. They're lucky to have seven points. We gave them seven. We keep doing what we're doing in the second half, we're gonna blow this team out. So I'm not gonna give them anything cheap here. I'm fine, let's get out out of here. And I for this case, I'm okay with it, but I know that not everybody agrees, actually honestly, and I'm stubborn to a fault. But you made that point to me right before we came downstairs, and I'm I've

like been marinating on it this whole time. I'm like, I can I can see the logic here that I mean, it should have been a moral It was a caveat to it, but well it should have been a more lopsided score. I mean, yeah, they like they dominated that first half. They should have scored on the sneak bs by the refs. Just terrible luck by Anthony Brown's I mean, it could have been twenty seven seven going into half.

It's entirely possible. Mike McCarthy looked at him. He was like, yeah, we're murdering these guys, and schre didn't even reflect how bad were murdering them. And so I get that at the same time, but I can't. I just I want to play aggressive and dictate the game all the time, and I can't one hundred percent reconcile. If you look at it, if they use the timeouts or at least one of them, you're probably get and dacked the ball back with a little over a minute to play. And

the way he's been playing, you gotta change. I mean we said this last week, he's probably gonna get points if you give him the ball. All things can say. It's a good I want I'm not betting against him to get you points. And so the opportunity to go kind of steal a possession there, especially knowing you don't get the ball coming out a halftime it's just too attempting for me to pass up the one thing I'll say, And Nick I mentioned this to you before we went

on the air. I think what's not being talked about here. Everybody's thinking they should have taken the time out when they got to fourth and five to stop the clock around a minute. I actually think where they should have done something different is to play before that they would have had they would have been able to stop the clock around one forty maybe one forty five at third and twenty four. Because your concern was, Hey, if I give him that time out when it's fourth and five,

do they decide to go for it? Am I giving them an opportunity for them to kind of reset, think about what they want to do, and maybe decide they want to go for it third and twenty four. You're not worried about that. Third and twenty four says to me. This is probably insurmountable for them. Let me saved some time because most likely I'm getting the ball back here, and if I got if you stop stop it at one forty or one forty five, I feel really good,

even if they pin you back at the tin. I feel really good that my quarterback has the ability to get me down at least into field goal range with one forty one thirty somewhere like that to be able to get a field goal before the hat. Okay, and you're and you're right, I've kind of done the math. You call the time out, and third after second down you call the time out. Again, Let's just say they

did everything that they did. They punt it. They punt it from you know, midfield, so you're probably getting in I don't know they got around the tin, right, Okay, they got the same field about minute ten, probably more than than I'm guessing, more like about minute twenty five. Minute okay, minute twenty five at your own ten. Knowing what's happened, all you need is a field goal. What is your play calls? There? Though, because because I'm not I do it. I do it the same way that

you've seen all these successful quarterbacks do it. At the end of the game or the end of the I'm taking what you'll give me on the outside, So i may do a five yard out to a tight end, and then I'm just getting little chunks here and there until I can ease myself down or I get this one shot where I can get us down. And that's what typically happens. You dink and dunk a few times, you get them to bite just a little bit, and then you can pop one that gets you down into field.

Go wrong. And by the way, listening to this, coach your kickers, Yeah right, yeah, fifty sixty yard or eight yarder, like you can't get eighty yarder? Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying, so get me down to the whatever do they believe in? Be honest, because he do they believe in? And I'm just saying, you're you got first and ten on your own eight yard line and you're back there and you've got this game and control what can go wrong.

And that's all I'm saying is. And to go back to my point, I'm not saying you carry this this book and this is how I coach football every game, because there's gonna be other games that you're He's got a front row seat, looks at it and goes, we're gonna score. We're gonna score in the second half. We're gonna score. We have to put it on. But in this game, it's like, if we don't f this thing up,

we're gonna blow him out. Look, I get that because ultimately he probably looks at it like, unless we give them cheap touchdowns, they're not going to drive the field on it, right, Like, they're not going to do that. That's not something that's not something that they are capable of doing the way we're playing right now. So I get that. I'm just thinking it's more of a philosophy.

And I think when you have a team like this that is as good as they are offensively, I think they can make up for if you should have a bad moment. I think they can make up for that. And so for me, I'm like, I want to be aggressive every single week. Yeah, as offensive And by the way, that's been the m since he's got here, they've been aggressive. So why in this moment did they all of a sudden say, let's not be aggressive, just give me some consistency.

Well to next point, maybe he felt that strongly about how favorable they have the second half looked for them. I lean toward agreeing with you, like, that's my every instinct is to just be aggressive, especially when you have a quarterback like this. But I can at least see the logic of like, if you just look at everything that happened in the first half feel pretty comfortable that if you just don't do anything stupid, yeah, probably gonna

win the game. But you know the part of game management is it's like it's the game within the game, and every week you have to be able to adapt. And so I hope he doesn't. And I'm not sitting here saying don't don't be aggressive, because there's you know, unless you're you know, fossil and let you know, let's you ask the fans if they want to be aggressive.

But you know, but there have been moments. Now I guess and this is the part probably that makes me more like, I don't know if they did the right. Thing is this isn't the first time that we've questioned game management. We've questioned it a lot last year. We've questioned it in pretty much every game this year. The half has been not pretty much no this and that's

more so than what happened here. The theme is what bothers yea three for three into the half in Tampa, into the game in La into the half here at home. And the even more remarkable than that is that none of the three decisions have bit them in the ass. Yet really you're looking at for if you think about the end of the half and against the Chargers, I mean, I know it was Fossil that wanted to but yeah, I mean either just where he could have called it off and said no, no, no, give us the football.

None of it has bit them yet and it will it's going to. And so that's what bothers me more so than whether or not this was the right call is I'm just like you are showing a very consistent theme of, in my opinion, not handling the end of these halfs very well. And eventually it will catch up to you. You know. The funny of those four things we talked about it, two of them have been overly aggressive sixty yard or just kicking. He can't make anything, but he'll hit He'll hit this one, and then the

other one. You know, we'll just go block the point and which we haven't done in six years or whatever, but let's just do it. And then the other two we're like, ah, you know what, Chargers, he's gonna make this fifty six yard or we don't get any more yards. We don't the end of the half. Here, we're good twenty seven. So it's like it's four things and two of them have been really aggressive when I've been not aggressive, and like you said, it hasn't been them yet, but yeah,

you wonder it. You're gonna ask them games where you're gonna have some really tough opponents and those kind of things will matter this week. I mean, this team, they're three and oh they're three and oh tell me those three I know Jets in Houston. I'm missing sing the Saint Yeah, which is a very quality human. Yeah yeah. But now, of course they had Christian McCaffrey, which we're

gonna talk about that tomorrow. Without Christian McCaffrey, how much has that changed this team because that's what they did all last year and it didn't work out well for them. But we'll talk about that tomorrow. Actually, we'll get into the whole offense chart I'm sorry, the Carolina Panther offense versus Cowboys defense, while Bucky coming and join us as well. Until then, for Nick Eatman, Dave helm and I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot

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