Cowboys Break: Biggest Challenge In 2018?

newest edition of The Break Life from Oxnard, California. I'm here with Nick Eatman and Amber Garcia and Dave Hellman, and we're gonna talk some Cowboys football here with you guys for the next hour and a lot to talk about Cowboys. Get out there and start practicing. Yesterday, not in pads yet, just a little bit of a shorts and T shirt. They'll do that again today and then tomorrow they'll crank it up a notch. They'll put on the pads and that's when camp really gets rolling. How's

everybody doing this? More good? I think we're doing well. I thought I was hosting today, Derek, you were, and then you didn't show up until five minutes before we were going on side. Wow, twenty it was twenty. I'm sorry. Yeah, so you'll be hosting. No, that'd be Monday and maybe maybe Monday Tuesday. How about that? Well, I feel like this is gonna be a perpetual kind of like, well maybe tomorrow you know. No, she's gonna be she's gonna be hot. This is gonna happen. This is gonna happen.

Maybe the first time you bail on us for some meeting. Oh yeah, yeah, that's gonna happen. For sure, it happened. That's gonna happen maybe next week every time. So there we go. All right. So, um, what I wanted to do today, there are a lot of different things I want to get into. Um. The first thing I'm gonna do and uh is I want to take some time and we're gonna do this at every show during training camp.

I want to take some time to allow each of you guys to give me one observation, uh, something you saw yesterday. It could be a player, it could be a position group, it could be a particular play, just something that you noticed yesterday that stood out to you. The whole idea is we want to give these fans an opportunity to feel like they're out here at camp and get as many different thoughts on what's happening out here. I'm as possible. So let's start with you. Nick, give

one observation from yesterday while they serve turkey legs. I mean that that that's that you have to start. How can you not start with turkey? I mean they're yelling out water, gatorade, turkey legs. You come to training camp, you can get a turkey leg. I don't know what else you can they have to eat, but definitely, all these all my years in America, I never tried a turkey leg. Ever. You're missing. You know what you need to do. You need to go. You need to go

to to the Texas Ribs, Like who cares? Okay, you have to go to State Fair of Texas and get your turkey leg there. That's the best turkey leg in the state. All right. Honestly, let's switch. Let me switch animals here. Honestly, mine is really not a t it's a goat. Jeff Heath. Jeff Heath is going to be really good this year. I don't know who's gonna play next to him. Maybe Zavier would, maybe someone else Jeff Heath though a couple of things, and I was watching

the defensive backs. I don't know if you guys saw this, but I kept hearing this somebody yelling and I didn't know exactly who it is, and it was Jeff and which is shocking because like, you never really heard him talk at all, and he doesn't really get to a high level. But but you could just see, and maybe it was just ten minutes or so, you could really see a command in that and that defensive backfield and we're talking about who's going to be the leader back there,

vocal leader. I don't know if it was just a coincidence, but I definitely saw some of that, and you could see the way he's moving. He's kind of smooth, I'll tell you, Jeff Heath. Not a lot of fans loved him before. I think they're really gonna gonna change their tune if they haven't already. Amber me. Something that I liked from yesterday was Jalen Smith and seeing his progress

since last year. One of the things that I was concerned about last year were his instincts, you know, the way he takes off and it was kind of just too rushed like not really knowing where he's going. He just takes off. Now this year, why him, he takes a little more time to think about it before taking off, and you can see how he's becoming more confident in his movements. Instead of just taking off and figuring it out, he just now, okay, let me take a second. Follow

this guy and then take off. How do you think he's running? Because that's always like last year you could see there was a person wasn't It wasn't yet the fluid motion that first move okay in his movement and also the whole lateral movement. I think he has been. It just keeps improving. Yeah, Dave, My number one impression after a practice that wasn't really a practice is a guy that didn't practice, which works. Randy Gregory, My guy looks slim and trim. My guy looks ready to go.

I took a picture of him on my Twitter account, Like he doesn't look like a guy that's been away from football for eighteen months. Like it's very obvious just looking at him. Jason Garrett said on Wednesday that he weighs two forty two. He looks like it. He looks like and you know, he's stiver, looked chunky. No, but I think like there's a difference between I mean, like if he hadn't been getting ready, I think it would show and like you can, but then he looks good.

He looks like he's ready to play football. Obviously there's a big difference between conditioning and playing football. But when they finally let him out there, I don't think it's gonna take him that long to accleman. It looks like he's been working really hard. It's like when David Irving came back during the whole mini camp. Now he was working up to the side to notice the eye is

not in condition, absolutely right. But and my thing on Gregory is, and I think this has been kind of a knock on him, is that he had a hard time gaining weight. You know, they actually wanted him to put on a few more pounds, to be not so lean, to actually you know, to not just be a guy that says, well he has to rush the pastor because he's not gonna be able to stop the run, so you know, to be an every down player. I think he needed to put on more weight. So we'll see

what you know, But freaks are freaks. I mean they can play. So yeah, well he came out yesterday m speaking slim and trim. Actually, my observation is another guy that looks pretty slim and trim to me anyway, Zeke Elliott. He looks like he yeah he does. I mean Dave and I Dave was walking with me and we saw him walking and he's just kind of walking with a shirt off, just kind of chilling. And it was like that,

that ain't the same Zeke that. That was more like the Zeke that came out of college that wore the middrifts. It was more of that than it was the Zeke that last year. People were like, man, he looks like does he seem like the type of person, the type of body that just kind of his weight fluxus maybe you know, like maybe so. And to be honest with you, I wasn't one of those people that really got caught up on last year and people said he looked a

little bit out of shape. I'm workingcerned about how he looks when he's running. And when he was out here running yesterday and he was doing drills, he looked pretty nifty, looked pretty light on his feet. So I thought, all in all, I think he's looking really good here coming into camp. Go find the Twitter fingers out there will tell you that he still looks kind of chunky, and there's no doubt about it. He's bigger than he was when he was a rookie. He doesn't he doesn't look

out of shape. No, no, no no, no, no, no, no, I'm agreeing with you. He like, yeah, he looks bigger than he did when he was a rookie because he has yoked himself up. Yes, honestly, Zeke, to me, looks like a guy who knows he's gonna be facing nine man fronts at least. But yeah, he looks like he's ready to touch the ball five hundred times because need be a lot of times. The perception of that, it

can just it's just your face. You know. He's got a big hay, he's got a beard that's kind of you know, and you look at that and you could say, well, you know, maybe he's a little bit bigger, But I mean that's never stopped anyone from from getting you know, you don't get tackled from behind because you got a big face. I don't think No, he's built like an NFL running back. Now, I think he's he looks like to me, he looks like he's in great shape for built like a linebacker. Like I mean, yeah, and I

mean it in a good way. I don't like he looks like he's ready. He knows, he knows what's coming. Is what it looks like. All right, let's talk a little bit, Dave. You mentioned Randy Gregory. I want to talk a little bit about where he is right now. Yesterday he's he's Marinell. He's over that. Oh, this is me being nick right now. Sorry, he's like he's over there in the hotel. He's probably having meetings or something, getting ready for walkthrough. Sorry, no, no, he just fell flat.

Yeah I probably would do that. What was it? Where are those animal crickets? Oh cricket? Yeah, I got it. I did not get it, all right. Um, But talking about Randy Gregory Rod Marinelli yesterday, he says that there are a lot of people around here everyone mites the dust sometimes that are rooting for Randy. Um. As we all know, obviously, there were teammates that spoke up on

his behalf to the league in order to get him back. Um. And it seems like everybody's very happy to have him back out here and everybody's really rooting for him, genuinely rooting for him, genuinely rooting for him to be successful this year. Talk to me about where he is right now, what he's doing, and when we can expect to see him on the field. Shit, there was so much rooting for him that now I'm rooting for him, And now

that's a whole flip for me. But just hearing everyone the way, like coach Mary Nelly speaking about him, Why are you shaking your head? I'm not go oh, keep going the way Mary Nelly was speaking about him, it just makes you think, Okay, obviously they know him better than we do. So the fact that he has Mary Nelly backing him up that much has to tell you something. I don't have the slightest idea when he's gonna be ready to go, honest. I mean, you know, you know,

Jason Garrett, he's gonna be day by day. I think the fact that he's out here, you know, not just like running and doing the conditioning stuff, but you know, they had him going around the hula hoop, getting low bend in the corner, something that they like pass rushers to do. The fact he's already doing some of that. Like I said, like, he doesn't look like a guy who's gonna need a ton of time to acclimate. Is he doing any position drills at this point, because obviously

working in the team, that's gonna be a while. But he's only working with the trainers he's with, you know, during practice yesterday he was with the pass rushers. He was kind of helping out, like holding the oven myths for them to slap and stuff like that. Nothing nothing real, which you know, like that that's gonna be on their schedule. It could be a week. I would be I would be surprised if it takes him too long, you know, because he looks like he's done his part in terms

of getting in shape. And so I get it. You want to be you want to be deliberate, to quote Jason Garrett, not careful, which really just means careful. But um so, I'm sure they're gonna be careful with him. But like I said, he doesn't look like he's gonna need a ton of time, So we'll see what they decide to do. Are your expectations that you'll get much out of Randy Gregory this year or is this a

long term. Look at this thing. I don't like I said this on you know, like the day we got here is like how somebody was like, what are your realistic expectations for Randy Gregory? Like, if we're talking realistic, I don't know how you put it beyond like just making the team and getting onto the field, you know. I mean, yeah, he is definitely a freak, But how are you gonna how are you gonna put ten sack expectation on a guy who hasn't played in two years?

I call that realistic, you know, Like I think a realistic expectation is that he's on the fifty three and gets a jersey on game day. I mean we'll go from there. He's got to be he can't just be a one trick pony. He can't. And because there's not a lot of third and fifteen situations, third and nine, because you get into third and seven. He put him on the field, and if he's a guy that just wants to get sacks and get numbers that I'm gonna

run right at him. I'm gonna run the ball right at him and see what happens, or let him come up the field and then just run right past him as great as Dwight Freeney and those and Mathis were for the Colts for so many years. You could run the ball on him because that's all they wanted to do is get sacks, you know. So he can't just be a guy that goes out there and looking for numbers. He's gonna have to be a guy that that can play and you know, and stop the run and do

all those kinds of things. So it'll be interesting to see just how he develops here at camp. We're gonna take phone calls throughout the show. You guys give us a fall of us a call. The numbers ninety seven two four nine seven forty four hundred. It again is nine seven two four nine seven forty four hundred. We'll take questions when you guys call us, and I want to get into Actually we're gonna before we get or

we're going to head into a break. I'll set up the next segment before we do, though, I want to talk a little bit big picture. We're heading into the second day of practices. It's the day before they're gonna start with pads starting next week. We're gonna dive a little more into position groups. But looking big picture at

this team. I want to talk a little bit about what we think are the biggest strengths of this team, which I think I'm not positive, but I think most of us will agree in what we think is the biggest strength. However, then I want to talk a little bit about what are the challenges. What are the things that this team right now faces, things that this team has challenges because you look across the NFL. I was

thinking about this this morning. You look across the NFL, and really, even in just the NFC, there are a ton of really really good teams. There are tons we think, yeah, we think there and I should put it like this, there are a lot of team on paper, have a ton of talent. You look at a team like Atlanta, it looks stacked right. And you look at teams like Green Bay that always are going to be good because

they got Aaron Rodgers. And you look at the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, and you look at the New York Giants. There are a ton of teams in NFC that look really really good on paper. So the Cowboys gonna have to do some things right. So let's take a break. When we come back, I want to talk about what we think are their biggest their greatest assets, and what the greatest challenges. All will be right back.

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four hundred. Again it is nine seven two four nine seven forty four hundred where we'll take your calls. We're gonna talk a little bit about the Cowboys greatest assets and their greatest weaknesses. But before we do, we do have one phone call. Will jump on. This is Nick and Indiana. Nick, what up? Say? Nicker Corlay and Home with Jalen Smith and Anthony Spencer. Hey, what's up? What's got good? I guess my question is about the opening

kickoff and Garrett's philosophy with his offensive find it. We want the ball, we want to score. Last year, the Cowboys got the ball fourteen times to start the game, and they scored one offensive touchdown in fourteen tries. You flip that and look at the opponent that got the second half kickoff against us. They scored a touchdown six times coming out of halftime. And my guess my argument against it is just as a player when I played,

I was amped up to start the game. The crowd was amped up, the defense was amped up, everybody was amped up. Coming out of halftime, the crowd still at the concession stands. You know, you're not as amped up, and you're kind of in the game slow, you know what's going on. I just think as an offensive mind to coach, I understand that he wants the ball, we want to score. But when you get fourteen tries that you only score one touchdown, do you think you need

to inspect an adapt against Jared offensive philosophy. And I'd just like to get your guys's opinion on that. If I'm crazy, then I'm crazy. But you're definitely not that because kind of how I feel about it. Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're kind of preaching to the choir on this. Remember I'll let you guys talk about it. When you talked about this every Monday, every Monday, which you're right, and I'll you know. In twenty sixteen they did the same thing and it worked and it was great and

I love being aggressive. It was awesome. Like read the room though, which I think that's that no serious, like that's true. That's the balance, though, was like, well, you want to show your offense you believe in them, and you be aggressive, but they never do it. So probably around mid season, maybe you should switch it up, because there were at least at least like four games where that noticeably bit them in the butt, like noticeably in

the third quarter. Like it doesn't matter if you're up by ten, if you're up by three, if it's tied, if you're down by fourteen. In every scenario, you feel more comfortable that you've got the football. You can either pad this lead, you can take control, or you can get back in the game quickly because you've got the ball. I just don't understand it all everything that Color said it was right about the crowd and all that stuff.

I mean, halftimes twelve minutes long, no one's back in their seat, and you take the ball and you go down to the score. It happens every time. I think it's just stubborn and idiotic, honestly, to keep doing it the way they did it, will I will say no sense, like I said in twenty sixteen, when there is a boatload of data to prove that this works, you can

talk me into it. But yeah, read the room like it wasn't working, and it baffled and frustrated me that they just kept just hammering that wall for no reason and it was dumb. The thing for me is, you have a young quarterback. If you have an opportunity to let that young quarterback see what the other team is doing throughout the first half and then come out of the out of the break being able to say, here's what we're seeing. What are you seeing? Okay, here's how

we're going to adjust to that. So when we come out with this first possession coming out a halftime, let's make sure we can get score. You give your your young quarterback a better opportunity. In my opinion, if you're gonna say either you do at the beginning of the game or the beginning of the second of the second half, you give him a better chance to be successful because

you at least know what they're trying to do. And I'm curious is if if Garrett was a college coach and you'll let you guys be college coaches and the game is tied, we're going to overtime. Now, okay, what would What do you want to do in overtime with those rules? In overtime and college, what do you like? You like to be on offense first or second defense first? Why? Because I want to see what I have to match right, and that's what everyone else does too, Like it's the

same type of thing. I want to see what I need to do. I mean, like, what if you're down, What if you're down twenty one points at halftime here? I mean, I think you're going to probably get the ball and try to do something a little bit different with it. So it just makes it makes no sense now, honestly, truth be told, I like to be on offense first. But I think I'm one of one percent that like

in overtime for college That is crazy to me. Yeah, it's crazy too, not really, because I'm going four downs anyways, because you gotta score touchdown. You gotta go score touchdown. So I know what I need to do. I need to score touchdown, not if you have a good defense. I mean if you had it, you had a great defense, probably wouldn't be an overtime. That's simplicit. I just that's probably the most we've ever agreed with the caller. Way

to go. That was a great call. Great call. All right, let's let's jump into our big topic for the day. As I said before we went to the break, um, I wanted to take a big picture look at this thing, and I really want to talk about it from the standpoint of what the greatest asset of the team is and then also what we think is the biggest concern. I will take a stab at the fact that I think the greatest asset of this team is the running game.

Everybody agree a stab? Yes, yeah, all right, everybody agrees. Yeah. I don't think there's any question. There's nothing that this team does better than run the ball. So I think that's pretty clear. So let's go down to the line. Though. I want to start first with Dave. Tell me what you think is the greatest challenge as we sit today for this team heading into the twenty eighteen season. Oh man, the greatest challenge facing this team is a acceptable number

of unprovens proving themselves like bait. I mean This whole season is predicated on hoping that something we haven't seen is going to work out, right. I mean, like we've we've covered the receivers, we know all about that. The tight ends go in there too, and then you know your your holes. On defense, we talked about d tackle and safety yesterday on the show, and and honestly, I mean, they looked good. They look good down the stretch. That's

totally fair. But you cannot sit here right now and tell me that your your corners are these proven commodities. Either it's you're optimistic. It's fair to say you feel good about it, but you're not being truthful if you're saying like Cheeto, Jordan and Byron or lockdown corners. You don't know that. So wait, like the majority of those guys have to prove themselves for this season to be successful. Your receivers have to prove that they can do it.

You're defending, you know, and we don't know that right now. So that's what I would say. Not to copy, but that's exactly my answer as well. Just the unknown, so many guys that we don't know what's going to happen, and the coaching staff, you know, the new changes that happen within the coaching We don't know, but that could

be something that works to their advantage. It's like one of I don't know the right word for that, where it's something that it could go either way where they could really struggle or it could work to their advantage to where now other teams don't even know what the Cowboys are doing anymore. Last year, other teams had the Cowboys pretty figured out. Now they don't. So maybe it's something that they can take advantage of it. We'll see. But I would say that's the biggest challenge, just the

whole unknown with all these young guys coming in. What is this specific question again, greatest challenge for the Cowboys entering the twenty eighteen season. You know, I think it's it's Dak being a great player. I think he's been a good player. He was a great surprise as a rookie, and he was a he really really had a phenomenal rookie season. Obviously there was a little bit of a setback or a lot of a setback, but they're asking

him to be great. They're asking him this year to be a great player, and they're taking some of the weapons away they're trying to, you know, Taylor, just to him and for him, he's gonna have to take that step. They're putting the eggs in his basket to be a great player, and I think he can be. But if he's not, then I don't know if this team's gonna be that good. I mean, I really know he's got to be great. I think I think that what happens

then if he's not great? Yeah, I mean the team as of right now has done everything they can to cater to him. Now is this a year after this year, Let's say he doesn't do great? What happens different different answers here? If they're shockingly let's go on a limb and say they're like eight and eight, nine and seven. Let's just say they've finished there and he's not that great,

it's gonna be It's not an easy choice there. If if if he's not great and the team's not good, and they're sitting at five and eleven and they're picking seventh overall, then I think you know, you can probably say, all right, they're gonna you know, they're gonna have a new coach, I'm sure, and they'll have a new quarterback and all that stuff. But if he's if they're in the middle of the pack, and it's kind of an if he on whether he's really good or not, and

we're going to be good with a different system. You know, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. I I for the most part, I agree with you. I think you know. I don't know. I don't want to speak for y'all. But like right now, if you had to guess, you'd say the Cowboys probably aren't gonna win the Super Bowl this year. Is that fair? Yeah? You don't think so? Yeah? I mean okay, I mean odds are odds are not with them as anything's possible, but odds are not. Let me let me let me

further that point. If the Cowboys are gonna win the Super Bowl, Dak Prescott needs to be great. If the Cowboys are just gonna be a pretty good team that's in the playoff hunt. I don't necessarily think that's true, because again I hate that phrase, Dak friendly. But the team is designed to help him out as much as possible. You got your running game, you got your offensive line, and I think Dak has established a pretty firm baseline

of what to expect. I mean, all things being equal, he's probably gonna be in the low three thousand yards a little bit over sixty percent. He's gonna limit the mistakes. I mean, that's what we've seen from him in sixteen games in twenty sixteen and then you know, ten games before the whole team fell apart in twenty seventeen. He's capable of consistently playing at a pretty good level, and the team wins more often than they don't when he

plays that way. To Nick's point, if they're gonna like cross that border from being a competitor in the NFC to being you know, a good slash dominant team, he's gonna have to pick that level of playoff. You know, I'm really tired of hearing people say. And I was on a show with two days ago, three days ago with Mickey. Mickey says it all the time. You just gotta get Beasley back to twenty sixteen. You gotta get Dac back to twenty sixteen. It doesn't matter anymore because

because in seventeen the coordinators figured it out. It doesn't matter. I'll argue with anyone all day long, you know, is he gonna have that sophomore slump. That's what people kept asking about Dak. Call it a slump or whatever, But they figured that out. It was a chess match and they won. They won last year. I don't care about Zeke being out six games because what about the other ten for Beasley? What about the other ten for Dak?

Like they they figured him out, and they figured Dez out, and they said, Dak to Dez, will take our chances. And it was a fifty fifty ball every time it left his arm. But go ahead another, well wouldn't. I'm sorry, And again I get it. It's excuse making to a degree, but in the games where they had Zeke, Dak played just as well as the point he was on a pro Bowl pace. But literally before his team fell apart, Tyrone was out or injured, Zeke got hurt or excuse me,

he got suspended. But go back. I mean, I remember arguing with people online, like up until early November, up until you know, right around the Chiefs game, Dak's stats compared very favorably to Carson Wentz's. They really did. You can go look at it outside the Denver game. That team, that offense played pretty well. Yeah, it played pretty well so that's but again, but for the sake of the argument.

One of the things that a lot of people tweet about in regards to die It's like, Okay, any other quarterback could have been just as good behind that kind of offense, oh line, you know, absolutely, so I mean wrong, what wrong? Because those people did not watch twenty fifteen, because in twenty fifteen, Kevin Matt Castle and it's the same. It's the same argument about the Barry Sanders Emmett Smith stuff. I always hate that one. Anyone could have run behind

that line. Not true because they didn't. They lost without Emmet and they lost in twenty fifteen without Romo and you know, and credit Dak And I liked this isn't I mean not liking him. I just think he's got to take it to another level. I think last year was a chess match. I think the defensive coordinators kind of figured it out, and I think there was other issues going on. I think Dak felt pressure that had to fill with the desk to desk that's gone now.

I think it's a little shell shock too. After that Atlanta game. I don't think he looked the same after that Atlantic game. For much of the rest of that season. But again who who would? But also when you think about how that the rest of the thing, my head's on a swivel about his He didn't have his running back,

he didn't have his left tackle. You know, there were a lot of things that fell apart on this young quarterback that to me were more of what happened to him last year than saying that somebody figured him out. I think it was just a lot of other factors that played in Well, it's it's totally fair to criticize him. It's it's what we do. We gotta fill airspace if

nothing else. I have next to no doubt in my mind that Dak Prescott's gonna look more like the guy from September to November then the guy that came after that. Like I spend very little time worrying about. I actually agree. I agree with that, I really do. I just think this year they've they've taken some of the familiar weapons away. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it's not that. Maybe it's going to open them up a little bit. The thing,

the thing, and the thing. To go back to my point, the thing that I that does concern me, y'all, tell me if you agree with this. I can easily see a future where like Michael Gallup is the next young star and people are buying up as jerseys, and Alan Hearns has nine touchdowns and people love him and everything's hunky dory. I can also very easily see a future where everybody sucks, and when the mock drafts start coming out, every single one of them is like, well, obviously it's

got to be wide receiver. The Cowboys don't have anything in that depart Like, I can see both clearly. I think they're both possible. Yeah, So that's that's what I keep going back to. I'm not worried about the quarterback. I am curious if his targets are as good as they think they are. Right now, okay, I want to throw a couple other options that you eyes of, things that I think can be big challenges for this team.

First thing I'll talk about is and these two things kind of go together, but I think that we've seen in the NFL teams have success when they are a run heavy, run first kind of teams. Typically, when that works, though, you have to have a really dominant defense that goes along with it. You look at the Seattle Seahawks of

the last several years. You look at even in the Rams last year, I think they were a run heavy team that had kind of okay wide receivers, but mind large, it was the fact that they had a great defense combined with a really great run game. Cowboys have, as we talked about, their greatest asset is a run game. Question is that defense good enough to be able to get the stops, Because here's the problem. If they can't, then it's gonna put the Cowboys offensive situations where they

have to score big and score quick. And I don't know if they have those kinds of weapons right now. They don't have that kind of or at least we haven't seen yet whether they have that kind of dominant receiving threat that's going to get open deep or be able to catch a ball short and be able to take at the distance. Do they have that kind of passing game. I think that's one of the biggest challenges

this team WI have to face. What do you guys think, Yeah, and that kind of I mean, it goes back to my point from the beginning, which is there's a lot to feel good and optimistic about. There's not a lot in the way of proving playmakers. That's been a theme for this defense for forever. I mean, you know, you got Sean Lee, Hopefully he can play fourteen or more games. Uh, DeMarcus Lawrence broke out last year, Hopefully he can maintain that with defenses focusing on him. And then you're just

kind of hoping. You're you're hoping Jalen Smith takes the next step. There's reason to think he will. You're hoping Layton vander esh plays like a first round pick, be creative, Frandy Gregory could come back and play like the guy who has top fifteen talent. But right now you're lying to yourself if you're saying you know any of that's going to happen. Right it goes back to DeMarcus Lawrence.

I mean, you know, you couldn't You couldn't see that he really hadn't shown a lot we were not talking about. I mean, yeah, nobody, somebody's gonna do it. Somebody's somebody's gonna be that guy. You just hope DeMarcus does it again. Yeah, hope you don't have somebody that just breaks out and says, oh, he's got seven interceptions. But then DeMarcus Lawrence has two sacks, and you know you're going up, up and down here.

I mean, but it's it's across the league too. I mean, there's no way that anybody that was picking last year's games thought, well, I bet you mark Ingram and Alvin Kamara, are you know are going to be this one to Pro Bowl punch and that will help Drew Brees and you know, and and and now they're gonna win eleven games. I mean, you don't ever see it. You said it, we went to break. There's a look at all these teams in the NFC. You named like five teams or whatever.

One of them is gonna pick in the top five next year, no doubt about it. That's how the NFL watching this team. You know it might be. It's gonna be a fun year if it is. All right. So, guys, there were we put this out on our our fan giving draft show. Won't be. It won't be. We've put this question out on our fan Pulse on our mobile app, and uh, can you guys guess? There were four answers

that we gave. We gave Dak being being great. We said, unproven players stepping up, the ability to score quick, and defense getting enough stops. Which do you think are saying right now is the biggest challenge for this team? Whatever it was listed first, I bet it's Dak whatever was listed first. Contrary, my friends, Dak is third. Oh wow, right now. And for you guys out there they don't know what we're talking about. Go to our mobile Apple

you can check out. If you go and click on to Cowboys Break, you'll see that there's a thing called fan Feedback fan Pulse where the questions there and you can vote. But unproven players stepping up number one, Number two, defense getting enough stops at twenty eight percent, Number three Dak being great at nineteen percent, and only nine percent with ability to score quick? Was that the last one

on the thing? No, they were all mixed up. The first one was second and the second one was fourth, so they were all okay, I mean, I expected people. You know, the quarterback gets the criticism and the credit all the time, but it's it's I mean, but he's got the jersey's at here. The fans love him. Fans, he's a fan favorite some a lot of the fans. The thing about having fifty hundred million fans is that

a lot of people belove him, man hate him. That's just say I'm gonna say, Tony Romo is like, yeah, welcome to the show, kid um. But yeah, no, I mean it's it's it's crazy, you know. I mean, you can conceivably talk me into this being like a twelve win team, and you can conceivably talk me into them being a five win team. Like, we just don't know right now. Ye all right, let's take our final break. When we come back, Amber's got a special edition of c or No for us, so we'll get to answer

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to be number one among the fans. That's what they're thinking in our fan pulse on our mobile app. Dave, why don't you take this thing away? Yeah? Well no, yeah, Derek. I just wanted to point out to you that, you know, we're here at training camp for like twenty six days. It's weirdly it's enough time to actually put your clothes into the dresser that's in your hotel room, which like you never do when you're just there for a night, but not true, you're weird. I never do that, but

I'm not surprised. I'm rifling through my underwear drawer this morning, and you know it's it's it's beautiful out here. We spend the whole day outside and I grabbed like my cotton Haynes that you bought me a few years ago that I still have and why would you still have those? Well, I was about to put it on, and I was like, this is bowl bs like this, it's the top of the laundry cycle right now. I need some Tommy John

because it's comfortable or outside it doesn't ride up. And so I was like, this is gonna be my MVP, Like forget Randy Gregory or whoever's out here practicing. Tommy John's the MVP of training camp because it's like it's not even there. You do. You put it on and you go it's not and you don't sweat through it, it doesn't ride up. It's just it's the perfect outdoor underwear.

And it's honestly perfect for a lot of other scenarios too, And I highly recommend it, like when you or about it, like when you have to go to the bathroom, Like if somebody has to be talking about to the bathroom, I'm talking about it. If you had to stop talking about it, I'm just saying it's it's convenient. You'll save you some time with the quick drop pouch. Yeah, those are just for the people that have to go, Okay, let's move. Sounds like you're in a lot of trouble there, Derek. No,

I'm going Tommy John. I'm Tommy John every day, babe, Tommy John. Every well, I can't I'm Tommy John every I can't afford to have. Tommy John is my full underwear regiment. But if Tommy John wanted to help me out and send me some more, that would be great. Where where do people go to get Tommy Well Tommy John dot com Forward Slash Cowboys. You can get twenty percent off your order, and you know you can get like the stars on it if you want to like

let people know or let some people know. Let's say, I don't know, if you want to let everybody, let certain people know your loyalties. All right, good, it's great. It's a great quality product. All right, Garcia, it is your turn. See see how well I behaved? I behave okay, Ceo, no running guys. These are all questions that fans sent out. So let's get it started. Well, Rico gathers make the roster. See no, no, that's I say. It's so, it's so, it's so tricky. I'm gonna tell you why he's gonna

make it. Why he's gonna make it is because number one, there are no proven guys there, and he's gonna do just enough in preseason and in training camp that he's gonna intrigue them to where they're like, we just can't count. Have you been watching him within the group of tight ends a little bit? Not much? You should? You should keep watching him? No, no, no, no, The point exactly,

that's exactly my mint is that he's gonna have. He's gonna have a lot of bad moments, but they're gonna be enough of those moments where it's like, Okay, we don't have anybody else at the tight end position that could do what he just did, but we gotta keep him around here. You had an older brother, Yeah, I did too. You know I still still have him, right,

that's true. That's true. I mean, I really what I meant is when you were growing up, Yeah, you're growing up, and you know, you're always he's always got that, you know. But then when they go off to college, now you maybe move into that room or whatever. He's gone. He's Monday Night football. He didn't like him. He didn't like Reco. Witten did not like Reco. He didn't like him. You'd be so loud he's back there. Okay, I'm just saying you probably she's saying he didn't. Yeah, I mean, like

I think it was. It was pretty clear that that you know that there's a lot of people that I didn't like him. I mean, so I just think that he had some things going against him, and now it should just be about football, because I don't know if it was last year. I don't I don't think it was. He did some nice things and then all of a sudden he didn't play anymore, and we didn't have any

other answer. We have no other answers. Here's my thing, though, and it's I would guess it's it's probably gonna look really pretty in the preseason when he can just run down the seam and Cooper Russell and it happened last year. It looked great. But the Cowboys use their tight ends to block so much. And like you saw it in OTAs, that is how the Cowboys use their tight ends when they had Jason Witten. We don't know how the Cowboys will use their tight end if anything, really don't. If anything,

I don't. I just think they won't use tight ends in that case. Like honestly, like we've seen him running ten personnel out here. If that's the case, just take the tight end off the field. But like, I can't imagine they're just gonna all of a sudden play Jimmy gram Ball where they just don't expect they're tight end

to do what they do bad. I'm not gonna say they are, but I will say this, if they find that there's a role for Rico gathers that is predominantly going to be a red zone threat because he is a big body, he catches the ball well, he's he's able to get space with his body. If they look at him from that standpoint, they say he does that better than anybody else we have at the tight end position. There's an opportunity for us to use him there. That's

my point they can from. I think they will find a role for him because there will be things he does out here that are different than anybody else's playing tight end can do. I had a point about earlier when we just kind of went across the table and said, you know, the running game is what they do best. True, but part of the running game has been the tight end position, and I wonder if they're going to have

somebody that they count on on that regard. I mean, I don't know if Swain is considered a great run block or I don't know if the Jarwin is either they use him. I think oli Wally is going to have a bigger role in the running game, but I'm just saying that that's a part of it. With Whitton, he could do the job. He could at least do the job and block pretty well on the edge there, So that's something they got to figure out too, which tied End can kind of help them there in the

running game. All I know is all I know is that coaches like players that aren't liabilities, and specifically this coaching staff. Like there are coaching staffs where you're like, yeah, we'll give we'll make this guy like a fifteen play package when we get down in the red zone. But like, I haven't seen that from these guys, Like that's that doesn't fit their mo Maybe it's different now because there's so many new faces on the coaching staff. I gotta see it to believe. Let me let me clarify a

little bit too with Whitten. Witten didn't let Cole Beasley quitting in two eleven, right, he had come back and talked to the team. I mean Witten that there was a guy named Scott Sicko that you guys have probably never heard of. Remember um tied End that that was a rookie free agent that quit and then he came back, and then he quit and he came back didn't know if he wanted to play, And Whitten was like, you're out of here, man, if you don't know that you

want to play football, I don't want your round. And so I think, you know, what has made Jason Witten such a great player for so long was just the work and the commitment and the drive and all that. And I think he looked at ed Rico and kind of just said that we're handing this guy an opportunity. He hadn't played in eight years. You know, that wasn't

the way he came up. So I don't really know of their relationship, you know, behind closed doors, but I know this that he didn't look at it the same way and say, all right, this guy, this guy has made it, had the same journey as all these other guys, and so you know, he kind of thought it was sort of a publicity stunt really too, just like this guy's gonna come in. But when he started catching touchdown passes, I think everybody perked up a little bit. They should have.

I just I don't I don't know that it's it's gonna be make or break. I mean, Rico already said I can't imagine him spending time on the practice squad. Here. Was this supposed to be like a quick it was, but I thought of a good conversation. He is too slow right now. I mean you watch him within everyone else, He's just just slow his movement. And for example, Jason Witten. You started seeing Jason slow down right, and it works for him. He's witting. He has all those years of experience.

Rico is not at that level. How do you go through a drill? Everyone's running up front, turning left, catching the ball. Rico was watching boom boom, boom boom. He goes to the opposite side. How does that happen? Yeah, this is how it happens because football still isn't natural to him. It's not natural. He's thinking. He's thinking so much.

He's like hips, you know, turn foot foot here, plant here, turn here, shoulders look hands up, like like it'll gets to the point where you don't even think about it. He just you do it. And he's thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, and he kind of missed that last part is left instead of right. I mean, honestly, no, it's a fair point. I'm not giving him. I'm just saying I just think this is one of those deals where it's still not natural for him all. But how long did the Cowboys

grab onto him? I think that's a that's you know better, it's it's coming to a head this step. It's got to be this. It's gonna he's either gonna be on the fifty three or another team. I'd be surprised if it's anything else. Yeah, that's change positions, move him, move him, ask us another one. Okay, will Jeff see or no? Will Jeff he lead the team in interceptions again this year? No? Nope, No, I think it'll be se Oh see, keep disrespecting my man. He's done it. I mean, he's done it three years

in a row. Like I start off the show talking about how great he is. He's done it three years in a row. Right, But I mean she said lead the team Internet, somebody's got to get the three. Let's say. Don't act like it's what's the number on one person

this year? I mean, honestly, until I see otherwise, I'm gonna assume three or less because I in my time here, they there has not been a guy finished with like a real ball hawking number for the last time a cornerback led the team and pick freaking like two thousand, it's been like Anthony Henry. Maybe honestly it was it was it was Sean Lee. My first season with five h it's easy to say no, you know, and take the field with someone else. I say, I say no, though,

and I'm gonna go with cheeky. I actually think one of these young cornerbacks is going to lead the team this year. I hope, I hope that's true because it means that they're balling out of control. But until then, Jeff Heath is the reigning champ, Like, come get my crown. I'm not just giving it to you. See, dark horse would be Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown seems to get he

gets his hands on the ball a little bit. Jaln just get more sacks than everyone else besides d Law who I'm sorry, sorry second, Oh god, I hope not no. I mean, I like, I'm driving this train, Like I think Jay he's gonna he's gonna blitz, he's gonna rush the pass, or he's gonna get some sacks. But I'm thinking like four or five. I mean, it's hard to imagine a linebacker, a true linebacker, not a rushing linebacker like a four. Do you think do you think he's

gonna get more than who's gonna get five? Who's gonna get more. Second, I would hope that one of these ends, whether I mean Tyrone had what four and a half last year? Yeah, I would hope one of these ends can get to six. I mean we're talking about how talented they all are. Gregory, I mean between between Gregory Elie Taco, it's gonna be Taco. That's that's an interesting urban Irving. I mean Irving was second last year. I played six games. He gets six sacks. He might he could.

I would not be surprised. I would It's bad for the Dallas pass for USh if Jalen Smith is second in sacks, Let's put it that way, unless it's depending on how they use defense. Depending on how they use They're not gonna put his hand in the dirt, no, But so if they're blitzing him quite a bit, then there's a chance that you can get there. I Like I said, I it's hard for me to imagine a four or three linebacker finishing with more than like five

or seas. Yeah, but like, oh, I mean I don't know, man, I you know, I hate to ascribe too much to a guy that hasn't even practiced yet, but like, I don't my guy Taco looks like he's ready to take a step. I'm with you on that. I actually think tackle is ready to take the next step. So I just somebody on this team's got to be capable of six or seven hopefully more, but at least that you think he has a legitimate shot to replace Tarrell Crawford

is starting as a starting defenseman. It's hard for me to say that just because he usually plays left side, Like, we haven't seen him on the right. Would he be good enough? Though? Where they have to say, hey, we gotta got to get him on the field more. Ask me again in two weeks. I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen him, but he hasn't been playing over there. Your your competitors for right side right now are Cony Eally, um Dorian's armstrong, and then assuming when he gets back

into the speed of things, obviously Gregory. So okay, Dan Bailey, we know about his injury last year and how that affected him. Are you guys concern about him at this point? C or No? No? No, yes, Oh my god? See why because the last time I saw him he was missing a twenty four yard field goal in Philadelphia. I mean the last time yesterday. Okay, sorry. The last time I saw him gonna kick that actually mattered, he missed one yesterday. I just, uh, yes, you have you have to.

Not everybody's atam vinitary. Not everybody kicks till they're sixty years old. Every all these kickers that are automatic, at one point they they drop off for whatever the reason. It probably started with an injury or whatever. And so I'm pulling form more than anybody. But concerned. Yeah, I just I just want to see that because it's it's not about physical anymore, but it is. And let's just see, I'm I'm concerned because it's a position that matters so

much in today's NFL. I'm not concerned yet, but I will say if we get to the preseason or the regular season and that first miss, if he misses one that is a legitimate, makeable field goal, then I will start to worry significantly because of what happened last year. Yeah, okay, that's all right. So right now I'm not concerned yet, given him benefit because he's been so good and so steady. I'm giving him a benefit of doubt and saying I'm not concerned right now. Let's see, I get that kicking

is is much more mental than physical. But I'm you know, I think about Tyrn Smith is like, you know, he's had problems two years in a row, but you give him the benefit of the doubt because he's so damn good when he's out there. I'm I give damn Bailey a mulligan. He's been so good for eight seven years. Whatever it is, I'm not gonna be worried about him until he gives me a reason to be, which I mean maybe that's a week from now. I don't know, but right now I feel fine, which leads to the

next question. Will Tyron Smith play a full season? See or no? No, no, But it won't be like it'll you know, it'll be like the Sean Lee like management type of deal, Like he won't for whatever reason, he won't play the last game, whether for good reason or bad, like they'll you know, he won't need to play. But he's gonna be healthy more than he's not, if that makes sense, he would be he wouldn't play by choice of the coaching style. Let's protect him to be relatively healthy.

He's he's saying, not sixteen games, not sixteen games, but not sixteen games, but more than fourteen or more might miss the short weekend Thanksgiving because if he had got bigger, if they're already in the playoffs, or if they're already out of the playoffs, they won't play him in week seventeen. Whatever butes won't be a major is it will not be a major. I agree with that, honestly. I will say this, I don't know the injuries. I can't say. I don't think injuries would be a major won't be

a major issue. I think there will be times when he's not practicing. He's our new he's our new Romo, and you're ready. They're having to manage him and that kind of stuff. But I don't know that. I think he's gonna miss games. I guess this is the way I Tyron Tyron Wednesday is gonna be a thing, like I bet he'll probably it's early, but I won't like if he's only practicing on Fridays all year, I won't be surprised. What we know is he's a warrior, so he's gonna If there's a chance for him to play,

he's playing. But it just they're just captaim in. It's insane, Like he had the back, he had the knee, and he had the groin, and he still played like a series. He still played a series against Seattle before he was like, I can't do it. I can't. He's amazing, he's a he's a warrior. Yeah. Shoot, well, well the Cowboys regret cutting des Bryant. No, I said that quickly and with conviction with my chest. Um see ye see and and and it's more like maybe they won't, maybe they maybe

they won't miss his production this year. But to Nick's point, like, if you were on the team today, he'd be this team's best receiver and on top of that, I mean he'd also beats quarterback's biggest distraction. And you just you guys just saying that the quarterback is gonna have to step up and be better, right, So which one do you want? I mean I get that, and I like, to a degree, I buy the company line. But I saw them play pretty well together in twenty sixteen, so

I get it. But that wasn't the case. I mean, all you see, let me take this into the future too. And the reason I'm cheating a little bit because it kind of reminds me of Jimmy Johnson in the sense that like twenty years from now, twenty years from now, he's gonna go into the Ring of Honor and like he's this great Cowboys player. He's gonna hold a lot of Cowboy records years for the for what whatever? You

get my point? Why you gotta do that? I don't know, because you would He's gonna You're right, he's gonna hold the franchise touchdown record for the foreseeable future. Jason Witten's retired, like nobody's catching him, but like for the rest of like for the like it's always gonna be there. It's like, oh yeah, like des was this great cowboy but like it ended kind of bad and you know, like that's no.

But that's every name a guy that was here. Emmett Smith got cut and when he got cut, there was acrimony. He went on did the article where he said he was he was a diamond surrounded by trash. Like that's a part of it, don't don't. Nobody thinks about it now, But that's not true. People do they They're like, remember when Emmett cried in the locker room the first time you had to play at Texas Stam. Nobody cares. They might not. It's still there. Though it's not. It's not

the storybook ending you want for one of your franchises. Great, there's not many guys to get the story but but typically Jason Witten got the story. But most guys that go into the Ring of Honor tend to get the story book more often than not. Troy Hitman did not get the story book. Michael Rban didn't get the story. But retiring, because retiring because you got hurt is different than getting cut. No, Aikman wanted to continue playing. The

cowboys were like, we're done, dude, Like, we're not. We're not going to have you back. At least they put a good face on it. He wanted to continue playing. You don't think he wanted to continue playing. No, LaVar Arrington knocked him into the Texas Stadium turf and when that was it was over for him. I think he got cut because of it was easier with the salary. Yeah, but that way. There were certainly stories, hey, that I was hearing about about the fact that he did he

did he did he roll up? Did he roll up with his people for a meeting with Jerry that lasted five minutes and then piece the hell out of there? Never to come back. No, it didn't work that way. Like it's a sour ending for a great player, that's all I'm saying. So in that regard, I think there will be some regret about the way it went down in the future, whether or not they'll miss him in twenty eighteen, I'm kind of fifty fifty. But that's what

you're that's the question. That's the question, And I honestly don't think I totally. I just wanted to take that into left field. I got another course. What they may miss. I don't think that they for what they gain. I don't think it's gonna be a real another c or no question. If Jason Witten retires earlier, a month earlier, do they still cut Das Yes, So it wasn't it. They're not worried. Everything they did clearly about the money.

It's not about the money. It wasn't the money. Like I mean, they were just like, get get off our team, please get off. But he was one of the guys probably saying that get off our team. Okay, but our team. I mean, hey, I'm you don't make a decision like that without the sign from QB one. Yeah there, And I mean, but I think there's plenty of avlidity that does his whole Garrett, because I'm not I'm not saying it from a standpoint of just like Witting, like oneted that.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying is isn't that? Because what was everyone talking about how different things are for Dack. They're like, well, he doesn't have Witten this year, he doesn't have Das. So if you knew one of them, you controlled one of them. You didn't. If you knew that right off the season, Witten was gone. I don't know if they if they do that with that, but I think it's still that even though they're you kind

of putting them together. I think they were too independent decisions, I really, and I think regardless of what happened with one, the other was still gonna be likely to happen or not. Like I think I don't think it was they were tied together. I don't think they would have made a different decision if they known Whitten was going to retire by like January thirty first, after they hired Sanjay Lawl and gave him a chance to watch the tape and

had meetings maybe February whatever. I think they made that decision. I bet you if Sanjay would have come in and be like, let me work with this guy talent I can give you know, and the story, the storyline, the storyline would have been like Deck and des like we're gonna fix their chemistry, Like that's what we would be talking about right now. But yeah, but they didn't want that, which is why I don't think Witten's tirement had any impact on bad at all. Well, Amber, we thank you

for that rousing edition of Seat on the Yea. We get we run down the list, but I'm hosting. Derek is gonna do cr No, all right, you want to host Monday Night, Monday, She's hosting Monday. All right. We're appreciate you, guys, Josas we're back on Monday. We'll have more Cowboys talking from you for you live from Oxnard, California, told in for Nick even Amber Garcia, Dave Nowman. I'm Derek Eavens and this has been The Break live on

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