Cowboys Break: Big Three?

latest edition of The Break. We are live for the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star and we've got an hour of Cowboys talk with you guys a day today. We're gonna actually zero in on three guys I would say, I guess we probably would all agree. They're probably the three most high profile players, definitely on the office and

it's maybe on the whole team. We're gonna talk about Dak, We're gonna talk about Zeke, and we're gonna talk about Ceedee Lamb and kind of dive in a little bit on those three players and where they were last year going into this year, and what the expectation should be for them this year. Right now, the Cowboys are in their second week of OTAs. They have another week next week, and then they'll have their mini camp before they send everybody away for a little bit of break and relaxation

before training. Sounds good, but I mean training camp is now next month. I know it's coming. It's coming. I just submitted our list the other day. You all are on it. Did we get rejected? Well, you know, not yet, no one else, not yet. But we'll see if anybody comes back and says anything about it. But you're all on the list. So get ready start packing amber. You're heading the training camp. I'm packing for two or three vacations before that, are you Yes, you want to say

where you're going. You don't want to tell people out there. You're not gonna tell us either, like nobody's gonna know. Just gonna hang like a gone fishing sign at my cube. Starting on June seventeenth, we're we're vacation in the same time. That's when I'm talking about vacation. I always like it when I take vacation to other people are out too. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about it. I did another three or four vacations. I got two, so you might want to plan a few, Nick, Yeah, right, can

you got a right? Can? If Dave's taken three and some of them are weekends, whatever, Yeah, it works, all right, let's jump in. I want to talk a lot. I want to start this conversation first with Dak. Last week he met with the media for a little bit of time, and one of the things that jumped out to me he was talking about being focused on his footwork and consistency, saying he's fully healthy, as it was not the case

last year. And I want to start the conversation there. Um, just in a general sense, if you look at how Dak performed last season, what do you think is the area where you most want to see him improve going into twenty twenty two. Uh, let's start start off better. I mean, we had too many slow starts in games. In games, Um, sometimes they were able to come back from that and rally and take care of business. Sometimes they weren't, and they find themselves digging a hole there.

I mean, I think that whether that's Kellen Moore and him, you know, whatever that is, but I think that that he needs to figure out ways to kind of come out hot be better early, and that would help Zeke be better and then that'll help the running game and all that if you can kind of establish that. But that would be one area that may not be a specific But I just think starting off early on games is something they can improve on. I laughed because, like,

I don't have a great answer for that. In a vacuum, I don't think Dak Prescott needs to improve very much. He was in the short list of MVP consideration. Like I say this all like I feel like a crazy person way that, like that has just been swept to

the side, and I get it. He fell off. The whole team fell off, And that's why it's a hard thing to answer, because I'm like, well, I want I want the offensive line in the Running Game to produce better, and that'll probably make Dack's life a whole lot easier. Like I've seen the peak of the way Dak Prescott can play, and I think you're nitpicking if you're sitting there saying that there's just a ton of improvement he can do. I mean, sure, like his deep ball accuracy

could be a little bit better. I suppose his anticipation could be better. That's true for probably every cornerback in the world, except maybe Patrick Mahomes. That's what makes last season so mystifying is they just they had it and they lost it, And I don't I don't think there's a tidy answer to that, and it's certainly not all on Dax. So I'll challenge a little bit farther. Do you said he thought the whole team fell off? He said he fell off a little bit in the second half.

That being said, what were those areas where you felt like he fell off? Like, where did you think or was it just a situation where you think the team fell off that wasn't necessarily about dat well for starters, I mean, you know, for starters. Yeah, Like what was he completely healthy? He says he was. I don't know if I buy that, And that's just you know, that's that's his thing, you know, Like I can't sit here and speculate based on how his calf and his shoulder felt.

If he says he was healthy and he was very adamant throughout the second half of the season that he was. So that's how I'm going to choose to judge him. But I think that was part of it. The other thing too, again, like it sounds like a bad thing to say, like oh, you need a good running game to be good, Like, no, that's just football, really, And I think they lost the ability to impose their will in the run game. And I think defense has played them in such a manner where they knew they didn't

need to fear that and they challenged Dak. I think a big way Dak Prescott could probably improve his game is learning to be a little bit more patient. Yeah, he struggled with that at times. He's like, screw this, Like how much longer am I going to have to take the check down? I want to go for the gust though, and it bit him a lot last year. So yeah, that's that's probably that's something he could probably

stand to work on. Camber Well, the one thing that I can think of is just like his whole game, basically his whole game, because I think that he's gonna be asked to do so much more this year. I don't think that the offense is better than what they wear last year. Talent wise, on the field, there's a lot of question marks, a lot of doubts. There are a lot of things that we need to wait and see how it actually looks rather than me expect how

it's gonna look right now. Right now, I feel that, you know, whether that's tight end, wide receiver, the running game, the O line specifically, there's a little a lot of work and improvement that needs to be overall. And I think that based on what I've seen from Dak in his whole career, he's the type of player and you always say this, They've like, well, that's every quarterback basically that they do need help around them, and that is true.

But at the same time, Dak, I don't know. I think he needs a little more help than normal than average, just he needs a lot of components to be working the right way for him to succeed or be the most successful he can be in the game. And although he's improved in the passing game, some of those deep throws, he's gonna have to put it all together, the accuracy, thinking quickly on his feet. I would like to see

more footwork this year. Last year, I feel that he kind of took a step back, obviously given the whole injury thing. But I think that he's going to have to put it all in this year for sure, because the team is just gonna need it overall, and they're gonna require more of him speak good. I wanted to to actually say Dave's point. I disagree one hundred percent with what Dave said. I think it needs to be

less patient. I think he was too patient last year because I think that's what teams want him to do. They want him to say, I'm going to throw it to the open guy. The open guys shults six yards down the field, he gets eight, Like that's what they want. He's got to. I think he's got to actually. I mean that's why he doesn't have a lot of interceptions, because I don't think he takes as many chances as

he probably should. If you want to get a Marie Cooper the ball, or now you want to get Ceedee lad the ball, I mean they were trying to make sure that they didn't get the ball. Now everyone says, well, Aaron Rodgers gets his guy to the ball, Stafford gets his guy at the ball. Because they got the arm to do it, They're gonna do it. They're gonna throw it in their tight window that may not be as open as Dak wants it to be. So they'll throw it over here to Jarwin or Schultz or dump it off.

These guys have forty fifty catches, but it's hollow. Are we sure that that's not a function more of the offensive coordinator though, because if the offensive coordinator is setting

up the offense in a way. Yeah, I'm just saying I want to point out because I think that they're could be a situation where the offensive coordinator is setting it up such that the quarterback gets the ball to the open guy, and that means that the open guy, if he's six yards down the field, now the offensive coordinator's gonna have to do a little bit more work and figure out how to scheme open the guy you want to be open, rather than just saying whatever they

give us is what we'll take exactly. And you're right that if that's Kellen, then that's on Kellen. But but I just think that that they kind of play into the defensive hands a little bit. They're like, all right, well we'll give you Cedric Wilson, We'll give you these guys and then we'll tackle them and and we'll get off the field. Yeah, and there's a balance there. I mean, you don't want you don't want this renegade guy throwing and getting picks all the time. So that's that's the

thing of it. I mean, this is his seventh year, and I mean even Romo set it back. Romo said he figured things out in twenty thirteen. That's when he really figured things out. It's like his six or seventh year and literally right there towards the end, you know. And so quarterbacks are always figuring things out, and maybe that's what Dad can do better, you know, year too. How much do you guys think his injury from twenty

twenty was still an issue for him last year? And maybe not maybe not even justin how he played, but also in what he was what he would try or what the team would even allow him to try. Coming off of that injury, he didn't seem like he ran as much. So I but they said that going in that he was gonna he said, he was gonna be smarter about it. If maybe that's being smarter about it. I think I went yesterday and I looked at the numbers. It was roughly about about one less run per game

on average. About now. Of course, in two twenty you only had a sample size of five and a half games, right right, So or four and a half games will be four and a half games. So so it was. It was a very small sample size that season, but on average it was about one less run per game. Yeah, I mean in terms of raw numbers, I don't think it made much of a difference. He ran forty eight times last year. The big thing for me is, I've

said this more time and I can count. I just think you gotta you gotta show a willingness to be creative with the way that you use a quarterback with that skill set, particularly in the red zone. My man rushed for eighteen touchdowns his first three years in the league. He's got seven cents um and and and to be I mean he got he got fed a couple times last year, Like he scored two or three touchdowns that they didn't give him. And now I'm not even saying like,

ohments so controversial. No, he got screwed. Yeah, like they took two touchdowns away from him. Patriots and Eagles. I think so different if he scores right there, Yeah, that game is completely different. I agree, because you got Mac Jones the whole game now trying to like come back. He's gonna keep throwing picks. There are those some picks like that. That was a really big momentum but they still overcame in. But I still think I think there's

there's more that can be done there. And it's easy to say like read option, but bootlegs um, you know, just just moving the pocket allowing him to like extend the play towards the sideline, and which I was going to bring this up too. I believe his one rushing touchdown last year was against Atlanta and he even said like he grown manned the guy at the goal line, and he was like I kind of had to remind

people that I'm big, like I can do that. And then meanwhile, like everybody's you know, Jerry and everybody else is like wringing their hands about it, like don't do that anymore. It's like, no, we're we're playing football here, playing football here at the end of the day. Like yeah, I mean, you don't have to scheme up ten carries a game for this guy, but that needs to be an element of what he does and it always has been. I think a lot of that too, was it was

maybe thirty five to seven or thirty. Yeah, they did have a big lead. They did have a big lead, like maybe be a little more judicial, but and then again at the same time. It's like, I mean, you can't take the training wheels off these guys all the time, and not only like that's the and I get like the older you get, the more you have to be conscientious of it. But like Dak Prescott carried the ball a thousand times in the SEC with little to no mishap.

You know, I'm not I'm not going to reinvent the way I think about him as a player because of a freak injury. Yeah, because it was a very fluke injury. Let's let's be honest. It wasn't like, you know, one of the things where he lowered his shoulder and took on a guy and broke a collar bone. It wasn't that. It was a situation where literally somebody just kind of he felt awkward, somebody feel the wrong way and it breaks his ankle. I that's not something that you necessarily

replicate on us on the next run. Right. There's an element of being smart about it, and then there's an element of like scared money, don't make money, and this is the NFL. You know, I'm trying to remember and I can't remember, Like, what did it looked like in the first half of the season. Versus the second half when they started kind of losing their power. Was there a difference between him like carrying the ball or something, or like the way he specifically was playing, Well, they

stopped the run. The running game went down well, and you know, it's even crazy, I'm sorry, that was it. That was that was a big part and that that affected everybody. But the running game numbers were really yeah, and I don't expect Michaelack to be running the volt when the actual running back. But there were one dimensional team, yeah,

towards the end of the year. But I think part of that if you go back and look at the numbers, really the big change is that teams, looking at the Denver game and on, teams blitzed a lot less than

they were doing earlier in the season. And and if you even look at the second half of the season, when teams did blitz typically it was the division teams and the Cowboys handled it really well, right, they handled There was only one game where it was a game where they got blitzed, like it was one of the top five games. I want to say that they got blitz where they lost, and that was the Arizona game. Like, really, after Denver teams just realized the same thing that Denver did.

I think Denver blitz like eight to ten times. Teams just started realizing, keep everybody back blitz every once in a while, you're gonna force this team to have to basically beat you with them, but will let you run. You got to beat us with the past. And that's where the Cowboys just couldn't figure it out and to go back to And I mean, I do think he needs to be more patient because that like this is this is the long game, and you're seeing this all

over the NFL. Mahomes struggled with it. Last year. Teams played justin Herbert this way. Those two guys have cannons. That can mean Dak just doesn't have that arm strength. He just doesn't. I'm very few people on Earth due. But you see these teams drop back and playing too high all the time and daring you to get impatient. And so you're trying to force things into windows against six and seven man coverage. And the Cowboys great equalizer is that when things are going well, they can just

maul you with the run. And if you don't get out of that look and contribute more guys to the box, then you're screwed and they're going to run for one hundred and ninety yards and there's nothing you can do about it. And they lost that ability in the second half of the season. The line fell apart. Guys got hurt. Zeke fell apart. It is easy to forget. And I'm not trying to let him off the hook completely. He makes a ton of money and hasn't lived up to

the contract. But like Zeke was rolling through the six weeks at the season. When did that injury. I think he hurt the PCL against Carolina, if I believe, if I remember correctly, four or five. Yeah, but I mean they were averaging like one hundred and ninety yards per game. Looked good, Like just watching in the eyes he looked by the way that was. You know, that's a very small sample size. And one of those games was against Tampa when they gave up on the run in the

second quarter. So that's how dominant they were. And I get it. Some of those defenses were bad. Philly's defensive front is not bad, you know. Hargrave, Cox, cran and Graham, those guys like they mauled those guys. Um. I mean, welcome to the party pal so U. But yeah, so I mean, like I said, I think you run the

risk of oversimplifying it. But I think for them to be at their best, they need to be able to run the ball more consistently than and I think that it all builds off of that, because it's easy to play too high when you're not worried about them at rushing for more than you know, three and a half yards per carry. Yeah, back to the point of what you were saying, asking about what happened differently in the second half. This was interesting to me. I was looking

at some numbers from last year. Did you guys know in the first six games of the season, Cowboys receivers had four drops across six games, average of about bless thing up a drop a game second. I mean, in the final ten games of the season they had twenty four drops, an average of about two point four drops

per game. Makes me start wondering if in a lot of ways we gave Dak a hard time, we gave the running game a hard time, and if more attention should have been paid to the fact that your receivers were failing you in situations where they were just dropping the ball. Are we sure that's not an average. That's not the way it is around the whole league. I don't know. I'm just saying, you look at there's a stark difference between when they were rolling in the first

part and when they took the downturns. Another difference in every football season from the start of the season to the end. And that's what the weather it looks like. And I just wonder if that is a normal thing. Did they have any poor weather games last year? I was just any I mean Kansas City, I mean, you know, I mean New York. I mean, you're just playing in conditions that I know. New York was a tough one. New York was was tough to throw the ball around.

I just think that might be a normal stat of like you don't you don't see that happen a lot, and then as the year goes on, it's harder to catch, you know. And who's also, what's a drop? You know what I mean, We've we've found that out with when to was here, you know, it hit t O's pinky behind him, and then that was a drop because people, you know, categorize that as a drop. I'm just saying, I think that might be a normal thing of a little bit more drops later in the season than early.

I don't know, just as a general thought, I think, I mean, for the hype that was placed on them, the receiver cord did not live up to its billing even a little bit. Yeah, which, and yeah, I'm sitting here saying, like, oh, I'm it's kind of nitpicky to try to say Dak needs to improve in this, that and the other way. It's gonna be harder for him like that. I mean, I think, ag, you and I differ on quote unquote what it means when you say a quarterback needs help. I think all of them need help.

And I hear what you're saying. But like again, I bring up Mahomes all the time for good reasons because for most of his career he's been surrounded by elite level talent. And I'm not even just talking about Kelsey and Tyreek Hill. I mean, their offensive lines have been wonderful for most of them, they weren't and we saw well, I mean the Super Bowl is a great example. But yeah, I mean, but even you know, the year he won the MVP, he's got like Mitchell Schwartz at right tackle.

I mean they've had wonderful offensive lines for the vast majority of his career. Anyway, there's less talent here now than there was last year for Dak. I mean, I think that's inarguable, and I think you have to just this is just reading between the lines. But is Dak okay with that? You know? I mean think about I mean, the Cowboys said, here are five phone numbers to call these wide receivers. They've never done that or not that

we've ever heard. We value your opinion, and you call these guys and talk to them, and let's see, he said last week. It's the first time anybody's ever asked them to do that. Okay, but four of the draft. But they're valuing his opinion. They want to know his opinion, and so it seems if his opinion was I gotta have nineteen on this team. And I'm not saying he's the reason that he kicked him off the team or

anything like that. I'm just saying, if they're valuing his opinion, and all of a sudden, they letting this guy go, and it's a head scratcher, and everyone around the league's like, why do they do this? They didn't get anything for It then makes me think that maybe you know, Dak is at least on board with it or okay with it, unless it's one of those things like we're doing this deal with it because you know how that goes with

the Jones family. It's like there are certain things like what do you think and there's other things up this is what we're doing. Yeah, and that might have been it. But two, I think you're one hundred percent right. But I think everything you just said would apply the same way if you took out nineteen and said eighty eight five years ago, Like was Dak Prescott spurring the charge to get rid of dez No? But did Dak probably see which way that was going and was privy to that? Absolutely?

I also don't think Dack necessarily had the influence in the building. But I'm just saying, like organizational change like that, like typically doesn't just come out of nowhere. That's all I'm saying. And it sounds great in the spring, and then in the fall when you've got to create separation, it's another story, That's all I'm saying. So he may be in that hotel like man I should have spoken, We're just I've been here I've been here too many times.

I've been here too many times in May listening to like, well, this is what we think he can do, and this is why we're excited about it. And then you get out there against James Bradberry and Dante Jackson I'm thinking about specifically. I don't even know if Bradberry was there, but the twenty eighteen opener against Carolina. They only lost that game sixteen to eight, but I just remember feeling hopeless. I was like, they can't do they are not going

to move this ball downfield. They can't do anything, like nobody's open, they got nothing, and Kawan Short is just eating Dak for lunch like a like, and there's a rude awakening. And six weeks later, Amari was on the team. That's all I'm saying. Can't you just see being at the AT and T Stadium for a game, playing newon game and they're six second quarter, they haven't scored, and then somebody's were like, Amara just scored a second toime. Yes,

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is not welcome back to the break. I do have a question, well, will we wait to Whenever you ask a question, I know we're going to spend like twenty five minutes arguing, So I can't wait. Well, this one's because as we see it sit here and we discussed the offense, and we discussed Dak Prescott and his level, playing level and all that. I keep thinking, I'm like, Okay, where did it go wrong? Like what happened last year?

And I feel like at the beginning of the season they were collectively good, second half they were collectively bad. So it's like I'm I'm just I'm trying. And that goes into like coaching as well, like Kellen Moore what he was doing in the in the game, so jet like really happened and and too like is there anything that's like because you know in years you could say, oh, you have Zeke running the ball. He was the one

carrying the team. But like, I really don't see anybody last year in that second half where that was the good the only good thing from the offense. I think the minute that they put the red stripe on that helmet, that changed everything. And that was the Denver game. I hate that. I know your kid never but I know there are a bunch of people that are like, yeah, the stripe, don't ever bring the stripe back. I thought

the stripe looked great. It was, and I don't think people want to see because they saw what happened when they well Denver, Denver. Really, you know, whether you want to say there's a lot of colors involved there. Was it red because of the stripe, was it orange because what the stadium looked like and what those jerseys? Or was it blue the blueprint that everyone talked about that really changed everything? And I write articles here on the ear is it like yeah, I really though always didn't

have enough green. I think you can point to damn near everything a g that's it makes it frustrating to try to figure out. I mean, go go down the list, start, I mean offensive line. Tyrn Smith gets hurt. Another thing, Lyle Collins. Nobody seem can seem to agree whether he needs to be in or out of the starting lineup. And there's one day we'll get to the bottom of

that whole drama, like over some limonds with somebody. But and then I think about this too, like even go back to when they were winning New England comes to mind. They could not stop committing holding penalties in that game, and it was like it almost made you excited because you were like, oh my god, Like they keep getting out of these first and twenties, like they keep converting anyway, They're so damn good, and they stopped doing that in the second half. I think a big part of that

is guys getting hurt. Well. And then think about, you know, the second half of the season, like starting with Denver, what else happens Amari gets covid CD gets a concussion in Kansas City, I know there was something else. Somebody else goes missing, Blake Jarwin winds up getting hurt to the point that it derails his career. That's an understated injury. Zeke has a partially torn PCL DAK. At the very least, if he wasn't hurt, he was in his head about

avoiding injury. I'm just gonna say that for him, I just he just didn't seem like he was playing with the same amount of moxie as usual. So another thing that happened too is, you know, and when Gregory got hurt, Gregory, you know, hurt his calf, and I think for the last few but for those few games, I mean, d Law hadn't could come back yet, so they played. I mean, they probably should have beaten the Raiders by by seventeen points. They didn't have a receiver, they didn't have a pass rush.

And in Kansas City too, I mean the way that defense played considering you know, they had chances there and didn't score a touchdown up there, but didn't have any receivers. I'm reluctant to even bring up the um the Chiefs game because, like I mean, most of these losses down the second half of the season were games that they lost because the offense couldn't do anything like the defense. More. Nineteen points from the Chiefs at Arrowhead All should be day.

I think they forced they did force two takeaways in that game. They sacked Mahomes two or three times. Defense played really well. Really the Raiders game is the only loss that you can squarely peg on the defense. I suppose Tampa too. I'm very forgiving about that Tampa Bay game though, just I mean opening night against that team, like what I mean, where they did everything they that

you would have expected them to. Sometimes you just tip your cap and say, somebody loses, like I don't even I'm not sitting here, like if they could only done this, It's like no. But she's one of those you knew, like when the field goal went through and it was like a minute thirty and you're like, yeah, I think yeah. I was like I was packing my bag to go down and Derek, you know, Derek loves to play that. He's like, what do we think, Davy, what's gonna happen next?

And I was like, they're gonna give up the field goal and lose. Derek, Like, I hate to be a bummer, but I just wanted you to play a long It's Tom Brady. It's not maybe you'd give me something interesting, but no, it was the same thing that we all knew what was going to happen. All right, let's talk about And I don't know where you were going with before I was still trying to figure out what happening. Sorry, I'm so sorry. Well, no, we're trying to figure out

what's gonna happen with the wide receiver. A great. Yeah, Well I want to talk about that's another interesting part. Well, we heard this quote that came last week. Clarence Till the Fort Art Star Telegram talked to Jerry, and Jerry basically told him that he thinks that CD, or at least I'm gonna say. The paraphrase of what Clarence wrote was that CD will be an upgrade over a MARI. And the quoted part was this was relative to his

production in the huddle and off the field. Now, you guys are Jerry whispers, you kind of know how Jerry talks. Tell me, what do you think he was getting at? Because he specified those three things, what do you think he could have been getting at? First from a standpoint of production, second from the standpoint of in the huddle, and third from the standpoint of off the field. I don't think we can go ahead. I don't think I don't.

I think we've I think We've done all we can do to lay this out, Like I'm trying to try to lead a horse to water, right, like there was dissatisfaction with a Mari Cooper that had nothing to do with his like abilities as a football player, Like haven't we made that pretty clear over the last four months, Like in whether that's in terms of like the buy in again, Like I don't have to extrapolate anything. Jerry let you know on the radio how aggravated he was

about not being vaccinated. He I mean, he called him out like a damn thunderbolt. Like that's one of those things where you're listening to it and you're like, whoa he said, I not me? Or are we not me? Whatever he said. It's like, damn, he just took a shot at his star receiver right here on the radio.

And then and then you hear other things we've talked about it on here, like pulling yourself out of the Jets game on the third play, or not being on the field on the crucial fourth down at the end of the de Facto Division title game in twenty nineteen. Like that stuff. It's fun talk radio fodder. It makes an impression in the front office as well, And like that's those are things that I've heard directly from people

that's not me guessing. So yeah, and I'm fine. I mean, and also we were factoring in offseason, Jerry, I mean, he's he's always optimistic. He's going to be optimistic on this, and I'm fine it. Maybe CD Lamb as a number one receiver can be better than Amari Cooper is a number one. That's very possible. What I don't think is going to happen is who's going to be better than CD as the number two. The question has never been about Amari verse CD. It's always cool you got a

pretty good number one. What all? What's going on with the rest of this. Pip Pippen did a nice job of replacing Jordan that year at ninety four, but no one, there was not another Pippin Now, that was the problem. And I'm you know, I mean, I'm just saying that he did the best he could to kind of be the guy he was Jordan, But no, he wasn't. But I'm just saying CD could be better than than Amar. But the problem is that they have two of them,

you know. And now Jerry also threw that quote in there about Amari should when he should take half the field with them when he goes as a number one receiver. Yeah, there's another like shot across the bowl, Like I think that was No, that was when a Mari was still on the team. Yeah, that was like after the playoff loss wayoff game, which there's some everything that we say about like Dak does this or Mari does this or

first half starts. It all kind of comes back to Kellen Moore, like Kellen Moore's gotta be gotta be better too, He's got to be Yeah, And I mean they all do you know you just said it. I mean a lot of the defensive you know issues weren't really there as much. Some of it they were, but I mean

the offense was the underlying problem here. It does. It irks It irks me the way that this gets framed into like a CD versa Mari thing, when it's really more about, Okay, you've got a pretty damn good number two. We'll see when he's available. And also, again, this isn't Madden, where the prerequisite eight months go by and you're one hundred percent might play. Yeah, I'm so well. I mean he might even be ready to play. He might not be the same Michael Gallop right away. Guys say that

all the time. So how good can he be and how quickly then you got a rookie, a third round rookie, not Cede Lamb, a guy you took in the third round. Like we all hope for the best for that, but it's no guarantee. It's it's always has been about what the rest of the depth chart looks like. I got no worries about Ceedee Lamb. It's everybody else. Yeah, I think that finding a solid group is pretty hard. Like I'm still traumatized from the time of when they were playing,

like what did they call it, by committee or receiver receiver? Yeah, it adjourned that committee in week seven and traded for somebody else. Yeah, it were coming back from visiting Washington, d C. They have the monuments and everything. Yeah, it was a big mess. But once they got to what they had last year and you saw the way that Tad was just it could be anybody, Cedric Wilson, even Noah Brown. At times it was just clicking. It was

working until it wasn't. But that's the thing like right now, and I know it's just OTA's first week was last week, But to see two of your guys hurt, not being able to practice, I mean, crap, I'm already you know, fast forward into the season, I'm like, okay, what the heck does this look like? When it was already a concern overall, and then you get two guys that are injured.

And again these aren't major injuries or anything, but it's still something to keep an eye on, and every practice for new guys, especially rookies and even new guys as veterans coming in here, I mean, all of the time is very very valuable, exactly right. I Mean that's that's the thing, Like, yeah, it may not be major injuries, but this is the time where they need to build

that chemistry, especially you know with receivers and quarterbacks. So yeah, I mean those that that's why somebody's gonna step into this. And it was Cedric Wilson last year, you know, and it could be you know, Semi Phijoko. I mean, like we all we could always laugh and chuckle and like, he's not gonna do He didn't even catch a pass last year. Same with Cedric Wilson. He didn't do anything to make us think he's going to be a seven million dollar receiver going in free agency. Okay, And I

don't want to put words in your mouth. I know what you mean, and somebody will step up and take I mean somebody has to catch the ball, like somebody will take those receptions. But Cedric Wilson's road being a seven million dollar player was very long. I just to give you an idea, like when you think about how

long it takes to get to that point. Missed his rookie year with the shoulder injury, came back in twenty nineteen and was mainly like a return man who maybe got onto the field every now and then twenty twenty really had one great game, which was Seattle when was somebody hurt. I don't remember why he got onto the field so much or maybe, but I think he finished with four hundred yards that year, and like one hundred

and fifty of him came against Seattle. Year four, after he's worked that hard and been around for that long, he is ready to still be the number three. I mean, like just to give you you don't just get any point. Yeah, it wasn't. If it was not for an injury by Gallop, then he's not. So you're right. It sounds fun to say, like, well, yeah, like this sixth round pick will step up and plug right in and hopefully somebody can. But that is a

lot of blood, sweat and tears. Like that's why guys like Cedric Wilson are my favorite players, because that dude worked his ass off to carve out even at the end of the day, not a small role, but a specific role, you know what I mean? Said than done. Yeah my point to that. And this was a mail back question maybe even this morning. They kind of run together, but like, which which which undrafted player do you see starting? And you're like, if you could see it based off

of right now, they would have. It would have been something they did in college and if you could see it, then they would have been drafted. I I never thought Tony Romo was going to be the franchise quarterback. He did, he did? He did? You know it might have been because he struggled in our flag football playoff game and I'm like, this guy's not gonna be for ever. For every guy that Chris Chris was there, we had that

we should have won that game. For every guy that gets to the mountaintop and says like I always knew there's another there's a dozen guys every year who carried themselves that way and are gone by October. True. But yeah, so I never saw this. Cedric Wilson, I never I never thought that was going to happen, you know, never sol Terrence Steel taken over as a starting tackle. So it's hard to see any of those guys. So maybe it is a Phoco, Maybe it is a TJ. Vasher,

Maybe it is Ontario Drummond, who's an undrafted guy. Might be on our website right now. Yeah, Frankly, I think all of this, all of what we will think of this wide receiver group when it comes down to it at the end of the year, in my opinion, will be about the offensive coordinator. If they continue the same way they've played, which is we're gonna just run it out there, We're gonna try to find the open guy. We're gonna have our quarterback get the ball to the

open guy, I think they're gonna be unsuccessful. I think if the offensive coordinator schemes up opportunities and finds as many unique ways to utilize their best asset when it's when you're talking about their receiving corps, which is ceedee Lamb, I think they can be successful because there are a lot of teams you look at San Francisco and Deebo. There are other good receivers on that team, but make no mistake of that whole thing started and ended with

Deebo Samuel doing what he does. And I think there are several teams around the league like that. When you have that kind of talent and the difference between that guy and the next guy, it's as big as I think it is. Especially while Michael Gallup is out, then I think you better find ways to get the ball in his laying hands and let him make I think you take you take San Francisco off the table because they don't have a player. Nobody has a player like Debo.

And I think you take Green Bay off the table with Davanta Adams because nobody has a I don't think people have quarterbacks like Rogers. Even my homes is not like him. As far as just getting it done with one guy. I look at Arizona. Did did Hopkins get the ball a lot? Did did they figure out? Because you know Kyler Murray and dak A two years ago? Okay, that's that's comparable to me, a guy. You know, um, they were figuring out ways to get Michael Thomas the ball.

I was gonna say, can you say the Saints of the same way with Michael Thomas was healthy, they were very dominant to to him, right, So yeah, I think it's possible. I mean I don't I don't like that comparison necessarily with Rogers. People say that all the time. It's like nobody's Rodgers, you know. And I don't think anyone right now is really debot But but there are other options, I mean, other comparisons there. I just I'm really march Case isn't another one. They get him the ball.

They got good receivers there too, the ball better than everybody else though, right loaded skill group though, but he's he's much better than this. I mean, they get him the ball. So I don't think we're really arguing, But like it helps Higgins and your number two is a top forty pick, your number three is one of the better slots in the league. And don't forget the top five or six running back that's in the backfield commanding that attention as well. So I think you need a

little bit of everything. And that's what I was about to say, is that's all well and good. Kellamore can definitely improve Ceedee Lamb needs to be a focal point.

I'm gonna be rooting like hell for Michael Gallup to crush this rehab because that is the quickest solve of all is if he's running routes in August and you're like, damn well, like he's way ahead of schedule and we don't know the answer to that right now, and I'm not trying to put undue pressure on the guy, but man, that would go a long way toward making me feel better about things. All right, we're gonna take our final break, comeback.

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to continue talking about seed Lamb. My question for you guys is where do you think is his greatest area for improvement. Where can he this year really really take a step in getting better as a receiver over what he's been to this point in his career. I think it's probably lazy to say, but every thing. Be the man. I think he's got to, you know, be the dude. Like that's that's what he hasn't had to do that before. Coach, What about I need to improve on to be the man.

Just be the man. I hope to coach get a better edge. I just to start playing like Olive Black. I'm the man. I'm the man. That's it. That's it. I'm the man. Just be the man. I just have snapshot memories of CD's goofs. For lack of a better word, I mean week one, Dak's pick in Week one was on him. That's a drop. I have a vivid memory. I think it was fourth down right outside the red

zone at the beginning of the Saints game. They schemed him open, and maybe some of it was on Dak, but he and Dak miscommunicated and the ball, I mean he might score if the ball if if they had been on the same page about what was happening. Um. Just stuff like that where it's like, you know, I think your your hands are are not as consistent as they could be. Your route running is probably not as consistent as it could be. And that's It's not to

say he's like a bad player. He made the Pro Bowl, but if you're going to be the number one receiver, you need to get better at all that stuff. And they, like what we were just saying in the second segment, you got to feature the guy too, like especially now, like if you've got CDN Amari, fine, but this guy is clearly a step above the rest of your receiving options.

You can't like go into a game like, well, well, we'll get him the ball when opportunity presents itself, Like you need a little more of a game plan on how to make sure this guy is making an impact. He's going to probably face a lot of the you know, really good corners, and I think you know, obviously quickness feet is good, but probably the really good corners are the ones that know how to get their hands on

you and and and stop you at the line. So just looking at CD, I mean, no one's no one's ever saying he should be playing tight end, you know, convert him to tight end. He's obviously lighting the ass and he's lean, that's what he is. He needs to make sure he gets off the ball. He's gonna face the best corners, They're gonna get their hands on it. They're gonna be physical. He's got to be physical back.

So we're finding a lot of things here on that note, Like what did you guys think of that a little? I don't even know how. I call it an experiment, but they tried a few times last year to line him up in the backfield, give him the ball, doing the Debo esque type things. I always thought it was a mismatch, will not mismatch. I thought he was put him in a situation where it's a little out of place. You guys agree with that, or you think you want to see more of it. I want to be clear.

I don't want him carrying the ball to the degree that Debo did. No, But like, see, but what you remember, and I know what you remember is when he did it against Washington and got his ass lit up. Yes I do. But what you've probably forgotten is when he did it against San Francisco in twenty twenty and scored from eighteen yards out. Like you're right, You're right. I

didn't think about it. He's got good vision, he's fast, Like, I'm down with it, as long as you're judicious about when you do it and getting tackled as part of football. It's the same thing as Dak Like, I'm fine with him doing it. I think he's got the potential to make big plays that way, just you know, but there's no need for him to top out at more than

like fifteen to twenty carries us sets. Yeah, but you know, there's a reason why the running backs aren't six two and sixty three, and if they are, they look like Derek Henry, which you know, good luck with that. But that's a lot of target to hit. And that's kind of what happened. I'll play he does kind of run high and all that. Now he had to run against the Chargers, I believe, around kind of close to the red zone goal line where it was like a draw and you know, it just kind of that was when

that that hat first half kill. I was just hitting them with everything and he had a draw there. It was about fifteen yards first down and right behind Terrence Steele. It was just like, what's going on here? This is great, you know, but so in Spurts, but then again he was. Now he's the number one guy. It's the same as the punt return. Do we expect him to be the punt returner? And he's got different duties now as the number one receiver and that's what they need, you know.

And I just don't think he's special at running it and special as a punt return. So if you're not going to be special, then I think you stick to being special number one receiver and we find someone else to do that stuff. All right, let's talk about the running back position. I want to talk about Zeke Elliott. It was in San Francisco. It was Philly that he did that again. Sorry, okay, he had the on site

recovery against I can't remember either one of them. I just remember the run, Like I don't remember who they were playing. I just remember the run, and I was like, Okay, it's kind of kind of good. I like that. Give me some more of that. All right, let's talk about Zeke Elliott at his best, assuming he's healthy. What do you think is the best case scenario for him this season and what the Cowboys should be expecting from him this season at his best, at his best twelve hundred

yards and ten touchdowns. Pretty good, man. Yeah, what do he had last year? He had a thousands yards eight touchdowns something like that. I mean it was a thousand yards. I'm not sure that's still a thousand and three. I mean it was like, oh yeah, he just Scott, he like fell over the line. A thousand and two and ten and ten Okay, but again, I'll bet you four of those came in the first like four weeks of the season. Yeah, twelve and twelve. Then that's best case, gage.

I mean his average his average yards per tempt were four point two. Great. Yeah, not worse obviously, but you probably expect a little more from every year. Yeah, you expect that a little bit more from him based on his history. Well, I see a lot of people saying, you know, how he's running out of juice and all that.

But I still have faith in him, Like I'm still I still think he can give you what you need, you know, in order for you to have a successful balanced offense where the running game is working and where the passing game is working. He's the guy that It's just the oline was not helping him at all last year,

and that's a big problem. They need to fix the O line, and I truly believe that if the old line is improved from what it was last year and can manage and handle their own game, Zeke will be able to get the job done, the job that you need to get done. I don't think he his game is far from being completely over. And I know that like quote unquote, like the life expectancy of a running back, it's pretty short. But I still think that he can

give you a pretty good season this year. Do you buy into the PFF stuff, you know, the you know their grades and all that kind of stuff. I mean sometimes sometimes, I mean they had him as the number one blocking running back in the NFL. I don't doubt that. Yeah, I mean we've seen not just not just saying you know, he's pretty good at it, I mean he's he's the best at it, which which you have to factor that in when you're like, why is Tony poll done on

the field? And I think it's a simple approach to just say, if you want to if you want to pass block, put Zeke in, and if you want to run to the outside, put Tony in. It doesn't work like that. Those plays changed like that, So um, there's a reason why. There's a reason why Derek. There a reason why Zeke's on the field all the time. Yeah, there is. Because he's a good blocker, which like people

people want to write that off so bad. They're like, I don't care, Like we need the more explosive player, and I get Look, I want Tony Poller to touch the ball more. I think it's insane that he doesn't. But I mean, I wish we could go back and chart. Maybe I should. That would be a time consuming project, but like, how many throws has Dak gotten off because of what Zeke does in that department? You ever heard

of christ episode of Training Camp? Dave got it. We're gonna got it over to you, and you're gonna tell us he's I mean, he's great at and I mean the fun thing, like, we know exactly what Zeke's output looks like if everything's clicking the way it's supposed to. We've seen it. We've seen it plenty of times. Yeah, twelve hundred yards and ten touchdowns. But he's twenty seven. He will be twenty seven by the time we get to ox and Ard. That's so funny that that he's

carried that's old. I mean, you know, he's been planned since he was running back. I know, but it is, it is, and he's he's been He's almost he'll hit two thousand career touch this season if he stays healthy. It's a lot of my life. You mentioned in the blocking game and how he blocks and all that, Like, I think that that isn't a like a part of his game that people tend to forget. And I have

so many plays like that. I vividly can remember where he just goes in and he's not afraid to block whatsoever. He goes in and sometimes he gets he just bounces back, but he gives it his all and it's enough, and it's like he really helps in that way, even though it doesn't show in stats. Twice a game last season, it was like, yeah, that was really cool, but make sure you go back and look at the fact that it only happened because Zeke laid out in front of

that guy he blocked. One of the most amazing plays he's ever made was when he took out two forty nine ers at once. I don't know if he did it on purpose, but he did it. Yeah, he got one guy with his upper body and like tripped the other guy. I don't remember what happened with the past, but Dak would have been mauled if he hadn't done it. Here's something that just off topic a little bit, but about in baseball. You know, they do a pitch count and they're like, everyone keeps up, Okay, this is his

eighty third pitch. Well, he's thrown over the first seven times. He's He's opens up every inning with a couple of fastballs, so you can say he's pitched eighty three times. But you know, it's the same with the running backs. I mean, he's got this many touches. You're not counting the seven collisions he had with their middle linebacker. You know, so that that goes through Like you said, Ambership, he is

like he's not, I mean afraid of anything. I mean, he has always played with that fearless, you know, mentality. So the fact that this is his seventh year and we're still thinking he can be a you know if the thousand yard twelve hundred yard runner, I mean I think I think it's it's been pretty good. I mean he's had he's had a good career, but his contract calls for him to be a great player right now.

And I don't know if he can be great, but twelve and twelve would be pretty great for a running back. It would be, but it comes with a lot of concern. I mean it, So you're counting on the dirt ability of a guy entering his seventh season who's been a work workhorse all seven seasons. Even the year he got suspended, he had two hundred and fifty carries. And how confident are we that the offensive line will be quote unquote fixed?

So what do you think is the bigger issue? Do you think it's that there's been somewhat of a decline maybe in certain skills for Zeke, or do you think the bigger issue is the offensive line? If he gets holes, he can be up there with the very best running backs in the league. I thought he looked as good as he had since his rookie year through the first five weeks of last season. And it's not to say better than he was as a rookie, but as good

like he had. He looked more explosive, he looked more decisive. I mean, and I know, sorry, Nick, I know you can't do this, but like you, if you calculate his first six week numbers for the whole season, You're talking about thirteen to fifteen hundred yards like that's how he was playing. So I put it more on the offensive line too, because also when you look at look at twenty fifteen, that was the year before he got there,

that offensive line was pretty good. I mean, Zach Martin, Tyrn Smith, Travis Frederick, they were really good offensive line. You're talking about Darren McFadden at the end of his career, Alfred Morris at the end of his career. Still if the blocking is there, we saw those guys have some good games. I mean eleven hundred yards rushing for Darren McFadden at the very end of his career. So when

that line is there, those guys can still block. I mean, I think that's the bigger issue is that they took a bigger drop than Zeke did. That's how I see it too, where he's no longer the player that can like how he was at first, where he could create holes. If there wasn't one, he could just bust through there and make it happen. He's no longer that type of player. The way I see it, he's the type of player that does need the help from his teammates and the

old line. So that's the biggest difference in my eyes at least, that he went from being the guy that could make it all happen all on its own and get even straight yards having like five man on top of him to being the guy that, Okay, now I do need a little help, like help me out. We're a team here. I was going to disagree with you a little bit, but then ever thought of Week one

against the Bucks. Does rookie Zeke Truck that guy at the goal line when Jarwin misses his block and it's just him and some journeyman corner or that you've never heard of, like Zeke Truck's him and he didn't and I And that's that's just one example. But you're right, he does. He doesn't finish the runs like he would like he did before. But east, you know, he still need the holes. But you're right, he needs a little bit of help. There. They all that's the theme of everything. Yeah,

help help the guys. Yeah, Like basically their team has to be better, is I guess what I'm hearing from all these three guys were talking about they need everybody around them to also, they need they need some jay Ron curses. That's what they need. They need three of those these. I didn't think he was going to be that good. They do. They know they need curse to

be That's I'm not I think you're right. What's scary is like the track record of those guys not being Jayron Cursh's way longer than the track record of like, holy crap, the best player on our defense is the guy we signed for pennies like that, just the guy the guys that have to do it, or Tyler Beotis has to take that leap that Terren Steele did. James Washington has to be the guy that you know that he was maybe that his second year in his career

and he's going to get opportunities. And then maybe somebody on defense, you know, just another guy like that. Maybe it's maybe Layton comes back and has a really good year, or maybe one of those eleven pass rush. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the list of the list of people that we need to show us more than what we've seen to this

point is awfully alarming in my opinion. Honestly, I think he comes down to the offensive, like you mentioned Beyotish, but I think just as much like what we're talking about, was Tyler Smith gonna do? Can he be better than Connor Williams? If he could be especially in the Running Game. If he could be better than Connor Williams in the Running Game, your Running Game should be back on track, except you need Tyron Smith to stay health and guy.

That to me is the big question mark that I don't think right now there's an answer for because I feel very I feel really comfortable saying I think Tyler Smith's gonna better than the Running Game than Connell Williams. I don't know what's gonna happen at left tackle because I would bet money that he's not gonna play seventeen games.

And if that's going to be the case, who's the guy, who's the guy that's gonna be out there at left tackle, who's gonna be protecting here, who's gonna be protecting your quarterback? Who's gonna be the guy that's gonna be able to

make things work like that? That's the part to me that I just don't know that there's a great answer for it, and I'm that's where I think most of their success offensively is going to come down to those two spots and what happens at those two spots, Tyansecky go get him, call him in August and say hey, we need you after all. I don't that's I don't know how bad is that. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, but it's you know, the best jokes are born out of

some kernel of truth. Honestly, I'm betting on well, let's go. I'm just hoping and praying that got him play. I'm hoping that's always the whole size. Well, then you see him. I mean, I don't know if you guys talked about it last week, but it's like he's literally one of the biggest guys on there. Okay, cool, but you know the big guys. Sometimes it just looked kind of like sloppy and like, yeah, so he I mean, I practiced last week. That's one of the things that I noticed.

He's just a little wobbly. I don't know who was on the schedule top Heavy, and I don't know who was on the schedule for North Dakota. Yeah, but I there's no tank. Lawrence is probably on the other side of the line. And I mean, but he's gonna he's gonna face some of that a lot of that. See what the Buccaneers did yesterday, Yeah I did, and that that was I thought of you immediately, Dave, because you always those are the kinds of moves You're like, it's

just it's a share m Hicks. Hicks one of the better, one of the better, big body Dca. He doesn't stay healthy all the time. But when he's healthy, him and Vita like, that's that. Good luck with that. I don't know how you're gonna handle those two in the middle of that defense. Well you don't. You don't mess with them. You times like they did and week one when the Cowboys playing, when you suspect both of them are going to be healthy, that's gonna be a that's gonna be tough.

I mean, you know, every every player got got a little and they have they got some ego to him. We haven't seen a lot out of that out of Zach Martin other than one time this last year he was like, I'm I'm a right guard. That's what I am. Yeah, and I have no desire. I just wonder, I just wonder if if when in the game plan is we're not even gonna mess with these guys in the middle, if he's just like, dude, let me block the guy. Okay.

I mean, I know and Doma consumed he stomped his way around for ten year, twelve years, But I can block him, you know. I mean, I know he did it once, but I say that that's well, Okay, he was He's been a really good play really good. He wrecked that playoff games next to Aaron Donald. He was the one that was given problems. But I just think that I've said it before. I think I think they would have had a different game plan if Zach was in there. I don't think they go away from the middle.

Speaking of what he did in that playoff game, would would that be the kind of move like, would you have the same kind of reaction that you had about Hicks? Would you have that same kind of reaction if the Cowboys were to go out and get in Dominican sue, he's still sitting I think he's still sitting out there as a free agent, isn't he? Yeah, I signed. I would be very excited if the Cowboys signed a great

player at an affordable price. What's not to love about that? Yes, I maybe thinking now, but I thought I thought I saw that he was still a free agent. He's still he's still which and I'm I mean Keem Hicks just took his spot in the Bucks lineup, So how about I mean we we've heard whispers about heard whispers about the name Anthony Barr, Like there are still things they could do that would make me happy. Yes, if a Chiem Hicks was on this team, I'd be like it

was a pretty good call. Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah you still it's June first, by the way, so that Lyle money just hit the bank account, right, We're rich. Go do something with it, somebody. It's not too late. You got time to upgrade this roster before the game starts, all right, to worry about the future, not this season. There's only so much pie. I've been told that beforegging ahead.

Dak is supposed to me Dak is counting forty million a year, and he has not counted close to forty million a year no yet, So it's some pert he's coming more than what you're saying is true. But that doesn't mean and Dama kinsou wouldn't want to play a year here for six million dollars or I don't know how much it would cost to get him, But there there's ways they could improve this team if they really wanted to. That's all I'm saying it. Then appreciate you guys.

Joann Us will be back next week or these guys will be back next week. I will not be here, but you three will be better in that bak. Early, No, I got to go out and talk to the NFL. Oh right right right, our NFL meetings. So all yeah, the door, I'm gonna walk right up. We'll have a seat and have some talks. So I'll be gone. You guys will be here. We'll talk about the OTAs, and then the final week of our shows will happen the week following that, when mini camps are happening. We'll have

a lot to content that week. There will be interviews, players, coaches, all that kind of stuff. So make sure you check us out the next couple of weeks for Nickipman, Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagelton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.