Cowboys Break: Better or Worse?

on Derek. He will well, he's supposed to come over here in a little bit. So well, when you're a vice president, you know, stuff happens. You got into the intro quickly and not a whole lot a rigamar roll. I like it. I'm ready for it. Episode Nope, no, so too. Okay. Used to be Greg's airline, but it isn't anymore and it won't be. Well, wait, way to go, that's true. Let's move on. We're in here. Let's go. We're in here. Well, a lot has happened since the

last time we did the show. We have Steven Jones, who has talked. We have Jerry Jones. Also, Mike McCarthy spoke to the media. So a lot of things have happened, owner's meeting, Dave, you just came back from the trip, So a lot of different subjects, but I wanted to start off with real quick because I am fed up with the subject and I'm ready to move on. No, it's nothing major, Okay, Brandy Gregory, Amari Cooper. This is

the first time we kind of hear comments from them. Yeah, so just wanted to ask you, guys, is there anything else that we should talk about in regards to that whole situation or are we finally ready to kind of move on from that at least until the season starts. Okay, I'm glad you said that, because that's I think that's what it is. Is these the lines have been drawn between the two sides of this argument, and yeah, talking to everybody in the Cowboys front office, I mean that's

the line. The spin if you, if you're a more pessimist excited person, the spin is that the Cowboys took the savings from those two players and invested it in a bunch of other guys. And I think the counter to that is, yeah, but who are they as good as the guys that you lost? And there to your point, it's almost not worth arguing about until we start playing games and we'll have we'll have some some bodies of

work to compare it to. I can't wait. I can't wait to see how Randy and Amari do with their new teams and to see how that stacks up with what the Cowboys do. Yeah, let me ask you this, Nick, going back to what Dave just said and about you know, the price and what you got for and all that the players, the amount of players that you got. Jerry Jones guy criticized a lot on social media by a

lot of people by saying a comment like that. You were one who kind of mentioned it, and you got on Twitter and you got criticized two about kind of the two options. You know, this was the player that you were gonna get versus well, now you got all these other players. Yeah, and I didn't get criticized by everybody. There's a lot of people that that thought that was that was a good plan. I mean basically what I said is they took this money from Randy and they

basically got four guys. They got four guys that that that they signed for cheaper. In this particular case, I liked that one better. I liked it better because I thought, I think Dorin's Armstrong and Fowler. I'd rather have those two guys than to have Randy, because I don't think Randy is as dynamic as everyone says. And I'd rather have the two guys. You're gonna get a little bit more production out of it, plus Layton plus James Washington, two players that are there were high draft picks that

you hope maybe can turn it around. So I take those four over one. Not in every case, but in this case. Yes. And that's how the Cowboys for an Office feels too. And that yeah. Jerry's direct quote was we got three top players with the savings, and the response on social media was like, looking for these players, which three are we talking about here? Yeah? Darn curse from last year. I mean, that's that's another thing I can't remember. Everyone was like, Hi, Derek, Hi, Sorry, how

are you? I'm good? Good, let's good to included here. We're talking about Amari Cooper and Randy Gregory. The comments that were made, We're kind of ready to move on from that subject, but wanted to see if there is anything else that you maybe want to comment on. Get off your chest before we put a pause on that.

I'm kind of torn on this one because on the one hand, I get the idea that Randy, although Randy was a promising player, and I've said this on this show before, you look at his numbers in his production year over year, and the fact that he hasn't completed a single season in his career, like, there are lots of things that make you say it still was a projection. You still were hoping at some point that Randy would become a premier pass rusher in this league. He has

not done that yet. But at the same time, I hear the comments about the what we got three players, four players, whatever, I don't know, it seems a little hollow to me, just because the way I look at it is, I think everybody here I'm talking about everybody in this building wanted to sign Randy. It wasn't like they were making the decision We're gonna pass on Randy to go get these three or four guys. They wanted Randy. It just didn't work out. So the consolation prize was

you get these three or four guys. So from that standpoint, I think that's right. I just don't think that's how it's being said right now, and I take a little bit of like, I take a little different opinion on that. That was just the consolation. You can get three or four guys. But I think everybody wanted Randy, as everybody's admitted. Okay, But here's the thing, and I say this every year I say about building your team, I thought, I think the Patriots do it very well about the one to

fifty three having good depth all across the board. If you keep Randy and if you keep Amari Cooper, okay, what does the rest of your roster look like? Like, like, are you and are you okay with that? It's not a James Washington, It's not a Dante Fowler, Dorn's Armstrong, it's not it's Bradley and I like, who's not I don't even know if he's in the league. Got a place for the Jets? Okay? Okay? Uh close? Um. So I'm just saying, so if you do all that, like

who who are the guys so they're getting? Are you fine with that? If you? Well, my question is, are we sure that if you got Randy, you couldn't get Don's Armstrong or you couldn't get James Washington or you couldn't get Drance No, Fowler and Washington could be here, friend, okay here. So so if you got Fowler and you had Randy Gregory and you had d Law and you had James Washington, is that is that? I think that's pretty good. Who's blocking on the offensive line? I mean, like,

well we still got that problem right now. That hasn't changed, I'm saying. So, I mean, it's a whole scope. It's like it's a you're getting these two guys and you're keeping them. But I mean, are you want to be I'm sorry, I'll say it. You want to be Washington forever? You just want to be these get these top front line guys, and then you have Arena league players at

the bottom. I mean, but that's what I'm saying. I don't I don't think that that's necessarily how it has to work because as we just said, Gott but Dan, let's not act like Darran's Armstrong is some like that's not the difference maker here. Like if you're getting if you're getting Dante Fowler and you're getting Randy Gregory, I think that is better than getting Dante Fowler. Fowler and and um and Doran's Armstrong. I don't think you're getting I don't think you're gonna get that. I don't think

you'd get both guys. You wouldn't try to get both guys. And Fowler's deals worth like three million dollars. That's that's the point, is that how many how many like skinny pass rushers do you need? I mean, how many how many guys do you do you need? Like that? You're not going to get another Dante Fowler. I mean, Randy Gregory got you seventeen tackles last year. Okay, so how's but let's say let's say we back away from that. Let's say that Let's say you've got let's say you

got don Let's say you get Randy Gregory. Let's say they got Randy Gregory, and let's say that their third guy was going to be Gholston, Like, do you not think Gholston can be Doran's armstrong? Yeah? Okay, So so your defensive defensive ends now they look pretty good? Right? Okay, So okay, what are you arguing? I understand, like, guess what I'm mark. You get Randy Gregory and you get

Amari Cooper, Then what else. Yeah, I think what what I'm arguing is, it sounds like what you're saying is if if you got Randy Gregory, then you can't get all these other pieces. You're basically stuck with Bradley and I And I don't think that's necessarily the case. What they do? I think you could. I think you they still had money. I mean, they got rid of Amark Cooper,

but they still had money. Okay, so they still could have had Layton vander Esh, they still could have had James Washington, like, they still could have done a lot of the things they've already done if they would have signed Randy Gregory. Right, No, allright, I mean okay, but well I mean argue with then. I mean, they still have cap space right now. So what do you think they're doing? Then? I have no clue. I don't honestly, like I think they got all this money. They just

kept it because they want to know. I think, I mean, they know they are there. They want the long term health of their cap to be good. But that doesn't help me in twenty twenty two. Doesn't make the team anybody? And aren't they still getting ten million in June from from le Yeah? So that'll take care of your draft picks. Right. So, all I'm saying is, and we've seen this throughout the league, the people you want to keep, right, you can keep Like,

there's a way to do it. There's there was even talk out there, which I don't know if this is true or not, but there was talk out there that there was a possibility they could have redone Amari's deal and maybe Amari would have been open to it, and they could have done it in a way to where it would have been a lot less of a hit on their cap, still saving them a ton of money. Right, So,

all I'm saying is there was a way to do it. Yeah, they could definitely have kept them, right, they didn't want to. They didn't want to keep it. That's at the point. They didn't want to it. So it's not it's not about the cap, I don't think, And it's not about the money. I think they can make the money work. I think Yeah. I think it's more about who do they want to not want And that's a whole different conversation. Well,

I really thought this was gonna be something. Yeah, You're like, oh, we're gonna touch on this briefly and move on to something else quickly. But one thing we know is what they do have currently. That's what it is. We can talk about different scenarios, but this is the reality of what they currently have. So I wanted to ask you guys about what are some other priorities on the team position wise? Stephen Jerry. They've talked about the old line.

We know what's there. They need guard, they need to tackle. We also heard about the kicker. You know, they want to add a veteran guy that could come in. They did want to assign Greg Serlin back, but he ended up going with the Jets. So what they look like right now? What is another position that you guys think of as a priority in high need, Whether it's mainly I'll say mainly free agency right now before we head into the draft. I mean in free agency, they need

a kicker. They're not shy about saying that. They I think they need to do something about their offensive line again, just to cover themselves. I don't think they'll bring in another receiver, but I think this team desperately needs one, and like and like I said, I would be I don't know. I think i'd be surprised to see them bring in a vetter and I don't know if there's anybody left that is really worth the money, but they

need one in the top one hundred. I mean, Stephen Jones said yesterday they're optimistic about Michael Gallop, but they have to prepare for the very real possibility that he misses as much as like two or three games first month of the season. Basically, what does that leave you with if he's not available right now? It would be Semi Fihoko and guys that were on the practice squad last year as guys that would have to play like meaningful snaps for you. So, yeah, they got to do

something about that offensive line for sure. I mean, you gotta get oh line, you gotta get a you know, it sounds like even a tackle is in play here, like a swing tackle type guy should be. Yeah, because he's gonna have to start for you a few games. And you know that. So offensive tackle, U center, guard, I mean, you know, once again, they're they're they're probably them at center is not the same that I would have at center. I mean I'd have a bigger problem

at that position than they do. Well, you're saying you would you would evaluate that as a bigger problem than they do. I have evaluated that as a bigger problem, and we talked about it a lot, and you know, they want to see this out and I'll and I'll say this, I would have been shocked if you would have told me a year ago that Terrence Steele would end up playing enough to pretty much not lie all columns out of a job. I would be like, no way.

So I disagree with that decision, though, I mean like solve, No, I don't disagree with with the decision. So I'm saying I was wrong about that. They stuck with them, They've developed them, and they think the same thing's going to happen, to be honest, and you know what if that's the case. I mean, I'm just I'm not saying when you look at how the priority on other positions like guard or even swing tackle, I think that's where the issue comes.

It's like who do you put first? Like you you're not giving that much attention to center when you have all these other positions that are a lot higher as far as need. I'll keep saying it like I'm not

trying to convince anybody that Tyler is Travis Frederick. But it's not this five alarm fire that I think a lot of people think it is to me because if they upgrade the left guard, if Tyler Beotist is playing between two badasses instead of him and Connor Williams forming a weak link of substantial size, I think I think it could be fine. Again, probably not an all pro, but like I if right now, especially shockingly, they haven't

done anything. They have not brought in a veteran who can play right now, And so you're saying, what would I rather come out of the draft with a badass left guard or a better center? I need the guard. I don't want to start Connor McGovern again. We did that. I don't know, thank you. So you'd rather just have center with a first round guard probably then a first round center and then whatever you're stuck with a guard? Yes, yeah,

And I get. I mean that gets into a fun draft conversation because I think Tyler Lindenball, the center out of Iowa, is a better player than a guard that you would get in the first round. But they don't have anything. And that's why I think they're crazy if they go into this draft without signing a guard, and they're honestly, they're running out of options. I mean, we joked last week. It feels like a month ago already. But Will Hernandez is off the market now, Ethan Posuk

is off the market now. Eric Flowers is still there. But like the name, the list of names is dwindling in terms of are you though, like, Okay, I hate that this is coming out of my mouth, but Eric Flowers has started a lot of football games, Like I would at least like to have somebody in here who

it's like, well, he's played NFL football. Eric Flowers, to me, is very similar to those other guys that have played over the years that you drafted high because you like them and you have to you have to make them a tackle. But in reality, Leonard Davis was a guard and he was a bust in Arizona. But he was a guard and he was an all pro. Robert Gallery from the Raiders, same thing. He goes to guard. You

draft them because they're big and they're strong. In their second round, I mean, first round, you gotta gotta gotta be a tackle. But in reality, Eric Flowers was a was a better guard. Honestly, I think both of you guys are saying similar things. Basically, you're saying, I can't have two week links, like I can't have center and guard be weak. So give me one, give if you can, if you can up from the chiefs. Was like, M, I'm gonna rush, yeah, right, if you can give me

one of them. If you can fix one of them, then the other one becomes negligible. And I've got maybe not negligible, but less of a problem. And I've got more faith than Tyler to continue to improve and be a quality starting center than I have faith in what we saw out of the left guard positions. YEA. To be honest with you, the only area I had a real problem with Tyler beiottish was when he was facing the really good, big, strong defensive tackles that were lining

up right over him and basically just overpowering him. We saw it in Week one when he played v toa VA like that was just he's not gonna win those kinds of matchups. And I don't know if these are anything he's gonna do over time. Maybe he figured out how to play with more leverage, whatever that might be, But how many of those guys are in the league.

You don't face those every week, So I do think that for a guy like Tyler Beidis, you probably can, for lack of a better way to put it, hide him a little bit more if you have a really good guard. And so I would probably enter the draft thinking the best guard or center I got available to me is probably the guy I'm gonna take, and either one,

I'm willing to do that. If I can, then you know, kind of make do at the other position, which I was sorry, But if the best position on offensive line is a tackle, you're gonna take that, They're gonna do it because, by the way, like you said, he's gonna have to play some right now, and he's gonna be playing a lot. I can get to you, and I'm gonna go back twenty years or so, twenty five with flows l Adams, or I'll go back a few years

with Lyle Collins. If I can get the tackle that can play guard for me right now, then I want that guy because then eventually he can slide out the tackle. But if he's good enough to play guard right now and then eventually the tackle, that's what I want. Who's that guy, Dave? In this draft? Probably Trevor Penning at least among the like elite guys the problem. I don't know how long he lasts. I don't know if he gets to you at twenty four. Um, Northern Iowa. Yeah, Um.

I mean the other guys are our tackles. Well, I mean obviously they can do whatever. It won't matter because they won't be there. You're probably I mean an A and M guy that they say plays Yeah, no, he plays four or the five. He doesn't play center. Yes, I mean if he should be on your short list of draft prospects to consider again, he's good, he's no, he is a good player. He is a good player, and you should be happy to draft him. But he

I don't. He's not Zach, that's all. I mean. I don't know if he's that rookie pro bowler, but I think going to last sooner. If he was Zach, he would be at won. Zach went sixteenth. I mean, guards not a valued position, and I get it, but twenty

four you're probably not gonna get the same quality sixteen. Right, No, never, right, I don't want to talking about sixteens where it's kind of the whatever, it's kind of that's the cutoff of what first round case typically are right around that that are Yeah, they're sixteen to eighteen first round grades, but somebody's gonna be dead ass wrong. Justin Jefferson was picked twenty four, but we know they're except I'm just saying no. But I mean Travis Frederick was picked thirty one. You

can fin I mean this stuff fluctuates all over. There are teams that won't take a guard or center. They just won't do it. So therefore that's why you get good value there. Now, I was asking Rob Phillips, who's you know, obviously big Texas A and M fan, and he went there, yes, and he just didn't do all this, And I was like, what was happening at their pro day? I mean, like did they do it like on a pastor?

I mean, like I don't know, Like Kenyan Green did not have a good pro day, Spiller didn't run the well, whadenmier ran Like like me, like you know, I mean, like it just didn't go. But but those are good football players. Yeah, Like I don't care if Kenyan Green ran five two, he's not going off for a pass. He's a guard. Yeah, yeah, I do care that wider Meyer ran ran though those aren't the same. No, That's what I'm saying maybe he should just run it with

shoes on. I'm like, I don't know what happened. He's a good football players. Spiller too, man if Tony, if you're getting the second round spillers there. I keep hearing people talk about the tight end as you know, a possibility. I just don't see that as big of a problem as some people do. You what do you guys rate that as far as we talk about offensive line, talk about receiver. Where does tight end rate for you? Guys? In net? Who's your end next year? I'm pretty big need.

I don't know yet. There we go, Okay, maybe I'll draft him next year. That's what I got one this year, a position where you know it takes two to three years for a guy to be a viable Pauson wouldn't caught thirty five passes his rookie year, didn't start all the games. He was pretty good. Dalton Schultz had nine career catches going into his third season. I get it,

you're signing up for that on purpose. Now I'm saying, in the in the landscape of and this was the question in the landscape with the other problems, where does it fall? It does not meet the threshold of what I what I thought I need on the offensive line or at wide receiver. Yeah, but that's not what I said. I mean, I know what I'm saying. That was my question. There's a hierarchy of needs. I think they need to draft a tight end in this class, preferably not with

one those picks. There isn't a tight end that's worth it, but fourth round, right where Dalton Schultz was drafted. One. Let's go. One of the big differences between what they do and what the fans do and what some media do and we do it here is that we're looking at how it's gonna look week one this year, and they are thinking, we've got to figure this out because Schultz is gonna be gone next year or Zeke's gonna be gone. You know, they're they're already doing that, so

they have to draft that way. When we kind of look at it from a depth chart standpoint like this plugs in here here, I'll worry about next year next year and they don't do Are we sure they're not going to do a long term bual Schultz? No, we're not sure about that, but they're not sure that they are. I mean, what did Steven's answer yesterday when you were there. I wouldn't bank on it. I mean not saying that they won't. I just I don't. It's not like Dak

where you're like it's getting done. Don't stress out about priority for them. We'll see what happens. I don't. It depends on what he's willing to settle for what the money looks like. He needs to take his game up a little more too. He's got good stats. I mean, the owners are going to take him because he's getting drafted and I mean he's getting I'm sorry, he's getting catches and he's getting you know, touchdowns, and but but he's got to get above that nine point, you know,

nine yard average. He's got to be a little bit more of dynamic cats the ball, getting up the field and do some things. He does it some, but but I think he needs to be more that guy, not Travis Kelsey, but be a poor man's Travis Kelsey. I want to go back to what I said about Green real quick, because I don't want anybody to misinterpret me. He is a good player, and drafting him at twenty

four would be good. H The reason I gritted my teeth is because I think there's a high likelihood that a better player will be there, and you that's no a better football player. Jamison Williams or Traylan Burkes could be sitting there at the question. Derek Stingley could be sitting there. Shoot, with all the smoke we're hearing right now, Kyle Hamilton, who people say is one of the best safety prospects of the last decade, could slip. Why would help?

Because his measurables don't match up with what you want from a guy that you're taking where people think he's going to be taking. His film's fantastic. Give me that, I could give me that guy, I don't care. Point. The point is there are like eight prospects and and and by the way, none of the guys at the top of this draft compared to like last year. I mean,

you know that this ain't that. But there's like eight prospects that everyone feels pretty confident are gonna go at the top of the draft, and they're mostly tackles and edge rushers, offensive defensive tackles, offensive offense. And then after that it's a freaking free for all. Like it's all beauty in the eye of the Beholder. Derek, Yeah, Derek's I don't think it'll happen, Derek. That's very uncommon, Like

I don't remember. I don't remember a draft like this where there aren't court First of all, there aren't any quarterbacks to like anchor the top of the draft. Uh. And then yeah, like everybody's got a different opinion about everything. Um, And it's funny because the top ten is like as unsexy as it's ever been. But then eleven through forty is like, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good.

And so and that's why, like it's borderline alarming that they haven't signed a guard because I'm like, don't do this, Like, don't don't pencil yourself into drafting Kenyan Green because you have to when George Karloftis could fall to you at twenty four and now that's a that's a guy that could start it right end on the defensive side of the ball day one. And we don't have to argue about Randy Gregory and Dante Fowler. So yeah, that's it's just something to think about. Yeah, we do need to

take a break, Yes we do. Sorry you're the boss, but we do. Yeah, But even though we were talking about the draft, when we come back, I do want to take it back to free agency. Some of the free agent guys are still out there. Mike McCarthy made a comment about the Cowboys kind of waiting it out and seeing what's going to happen. But time's take in and time is running out before the draft gets here. So we'll see when we come back after the break who else is still available out there and who the

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I've done this forty seven times. Let's do it one more time here before WrestleMania actually gets here to at and T Stadium April second, April third, Saturday and Sunday of this week WrestleMania comes to AT and T Stadium. You can get your tickets on SeatGeek dot com, official ticketing provider of AT and T Stadium. And I'm glad I did that because this is not your day to say welcome back. Sorry, it's a habit. It's okay, It's okay, welcome back guys. So blah blah blah too talked about

it already. It's episode two. It is episode two that's really easy for you, which means number two is also going to be a number that probably a lot of players will want to get if they haven't already it's two. Does two elicit that from players? Like? Does anybody want to? I think so? I mean, yeah, I've heard school Helvin Joseph told me at Media Day last year, I want that deuce. Okay, he was talking about Jersey number. Yeah, I was talking about Jersey. Otherwise I didn't go get it.

Whatever he wants it, right, Yeah, Two's cool. I just you know, I think of like one and seven too cool. Looks cool. I like to. I think it looks good on Jersey. Yeah. I think that was my number when I hurt myself playing the flag football. Number two. I got a Brooks. All right, well, let's talk about free agency. What's left the free agency and some of the guys that are still available. McCarthy's comment didn't sit well with me, to be honest, but um, we don't have to comment

on that. It's ok. You should stop him the next time he's walking through our area and be like we talk Wait which one? What did he say that made you mad? No? No, no, not mad. It's just annoyed, just hearing when you know, oh they're being patient and they're way oh yeah, that type of thing. Yeah, type of mentality. Um, but uh, well, I guess we'll see

how he does play out for them. But as far as some of the guys that are still available, I wanted to ask you, guys, are there any names that you are still thinking as a possibility for the Cowboys or maybe uh someone that he might that you guys personally would like them to bring, and also comment on what happened with the whole Bobby Wagner's situation and why it's kind of Stephen Jones kind of closed down the

door on that. Basically, well, you see, Bobby Wagner's really really good at football and commands a salary as such, and I think that's I thought it was kind of funny the way Steven worded it. He was like, you know, I just didn't work out with us, and I was like, he signed somewhere already. Literally, I like, I like, you know, you're sitting there, You're holding your recorder kind of looking at your phone, and like I'm simultaneously like googling, like

did Bobby Wagner sign? And I miss it? Yeah, like I did. And I was like, I was like I looked it out and I'm like, Nope, he sure hasn't. Steven just knows he ain't bringing his price down to whether the Cowboys are willing to pay right. Um, that's all. That's it. But we all knew this. I mean when he became available, first thing we all do is probably

like could it be? And then we all thought to ourselves, Yeah, that's not the kind of fru You know what though, Okay, I don't want to give anybody false hope about Bobby Wagner. I don't think that's happening. But that ties back into the Mike McCarthy thing about being patient, and he brought out he brought up Andy Dalton as an example of like this stuff evolves, Like even now, the market is still going to evolve. Andy Dalton signed in Dallas after the draft once he had seen like who still needs

a quarterback? Because that changed during the draft. Other stuff will change, like they might wait to do some of this. Honestly, I gotta be honest. The wide receiver market is a little more intriguing than I thought it was. Like, there are still some interesting names out there. Um, I mean Jarvis Landry again, not a guy that's not a guy that's probably gonna sign here, but would love him too. Yeah, Jarvis Landry. Um, I'm not I promise I'm not just

naming LSU guys. But Odell is still out there as well. Well, he's coming up that does not do anything, doesn't do a anything for the Cowboys because they already have an acluy um. But is this the look as we're talking about that name pops up. Yeah, don't think that's gonna happen. But is this the right kind of approach to have at this point and after last season? And also could this be something that you do see some of those names kind of their prices start dropping and the Cowboys

do grab them. That's the thing I always say of like like, no, I don't I don't necessarily agree with it especially and so what I was gonna say is like the garden tackle market looks even it looks pretty die or not to not to be a naysayer, but like Eric Flowers, Eric Flowers and Trey Turner are probably the most interesting names. And then everybody else is somebody that you associate with not being very good. Uh, Billy Price, Quentin Spain, who was part of the Bengals line that

tried to get Joe Burrow killed. Um, if Dwayne Brown's Dwayne Brown is still out there. There are yeah, I mean there are a few. Um No, I can't say I love it because, like, I mean, you're right, they're literally just like, well, if you're still out there, you can sit out there and maybe maybe you'll readjust your

expectations the longer you go unemployed. Like that's that's what's happening here in my opinion, and I've always said that, Like, I don't think they need to be spending the silly money on the first two days of free agency, but there's more they could be doing. And going back to the to what we were talking about at the top of the show, they still have money and they're gonna get more. Yeah, Like they can handle the draft class with the money they get from Lyle in two months.

There's more they could have done with it. And in a couple of cases it looks like almost too little, too late at this point, which sucks. I think if we, I mean actually broke down on a sheet of paper of like the money that they're saving with all the guys that they got, I mean, I don't think they I mean I don't mean to bring this back up, but I don't think they could have done all of that,

and that's just the approach that they took. Yeah, I mean you add it all up, all the guys, Curse and everybody just you know, and it's hard to It's hard for us to do it because the way it's structured. We can keep saying fourteen million for Randy, but it wasn't going to be fourteen million the first year that that wasn't how they had it structured. So I mean,

that's not you can't even say that. You can't even say that they stayed fourteen this year because that he probably was going to count like seven or eight and then it just balloons out. So it's hard to do that. But um, you know the issue that I have. You look at some of the names that are out there, you know, big name like you know, Tyrn Matthew. I don't think they'll do that at safety or Jadavian Clowney

or Stefana Gilmore. But it's like they've got players that they don't they don't want those guys to be progress stoppers as well. I don't think Bobby Wagner is going to stop anyone's progress, So that's one I could see it. But like they probably look at a guy like Patrick Peterson or Gilmore to say, all right, he comes in here and then does what, like what just Kelvin Joseph play this ghost to not play if we get a v you know. And that's the funny. That's we said

that last week. I don't I haven't spent a minute thinking about free agent DBS. I haven't even thought about it because I mean, they brought back, brought back two important ones, and I think their corner depth chart is in great shape. Regardless of what some people think about Anthony Brown. Um, it's the other ones I don't. I don't know what Will Hernandez signed for, and I don't even know if Will Hernandez is good, but he's still I mean, he was the thirty fourth overall pick in

the same draft as Connor Williams. They liked him coming out, and he started sixty games in the NFL. Uh. That's the type of guy that I would have liked to have seen them bring in. That's the type of guy they get. That is the type of guy they get. That's what That's why I like, really, I'm zero I'm zeroed in on the offensive line and I'm just like this, you're not done here and you're kind of acting like

you are. Ye. Well, but I'd be honestly, I'd be shocked if they don't add some free agent offensive line before the draft, Actually be shocked they'll do that. I would be surprised too. But that goes back to my point, like it's getting the pickens are getting slim, and to bring it back again, this could also be a situation where after the draft some things change. Maybe somebody drafts to tackle in the first round and cut a guy that's hanging out on the back end. I mean, you

got to keep all that stuff in mind. Yeah, But also if they do add to someone from the old line, it makes me wonder. I'm like, Okay, are you at that point adding a body to add a body to kind of back yourself up before getting into draft, or are you actually adding a body that has good experience that will actually be able to contribute on the field. I think the longer you wait, the more prevalent that

question becomes. Like the slimmer the Pickens get among the free agents, you're like not to throw guys that have been here under the bus, but like the cam Flimmings and the cam Irvings, of the world where you're just like, yeah, it means a body you've played. But it's what you said, Eric Flowers. He's had a lot of experience, So bring him in. Let's just see what I think. I may you know, I don't know. Maybe I'm just defending here. I think Eric flowers resume is, especially since he moved

to guard, like I'm pulling him up right now. I mean, so bad as a tackler is so bad. He's started smart. That is just kind of getting that out of your mind that he's not a tackle anymore. He's started a hundred games in the league and he's primarily been he was a guard for the last like three years, and he's started every game. He's been healthy for three straight years. Not saying he's good and not saying he's good, but he started. That is an improvement over the options that

they have here behind their top guys. And in the case of the left guard, that's the thing that's that is way better than what they have at left guard

right now. Ye. And that's also but that's the point that I think needs to be made, is that's the kind of signing I think they're going to make, is somebody that's a veteran, may not be the greatest player, but he gives him insurance in the event that can't draft the guy that they want at the time that they want to draft him, he may not be there, or they don't want to be pigeonhole because something falls to them where they like, this other guy's just a

much better player out of position we really don't need, but we want to take advantage of it. That's why they'll make that kind I just need I need them to be in a situation where they say, yeah, it would be nice to draft Green, but Jamison Williams is We've got a whole half round grade better on him, and Flowers can do it for a year, and we'll revisit this in the spring. And that's the remote. That's how they do do it. Cowboys have four fifth round picks.

I would love if they in they don't have a seventh rounder, so draft draft somebody in the fifth and draft another one in the fifth to kind of make up for your seventh that you don't have. But I don't want them drafting four guys in the fifth round. I think that is a round where you can trade your pick and get some kind of player in return. And that's what I think could happen. You get offensive line, you get a line, you get a guard that's like in, we already took a guard and he's in tract year.

He's probably not going to come back next year. And you might actually get a pretty good player, pretty decent player. I mean you think about shoot Austin, Amari Cooper fetched a fifth. We could get some great players with that. Good here you go. He's also a twenty million dollars time you got Tavon Austin. I mean, I mean he he was good at certain things. You know, Um, he was a good part the spin the spin on that

the he's good at some things. He was good. He wasn't great, but he was a speedy punt returner and he made some plays. Yeah, No, I would like I would I was alarming at times, was alarming. I would love. I would love to see them do that type of stuff more even easy, every easy, everybody. It's not bring too much to this. He was a scary put return he really absolutely was. Yeah, and I still wish on that was at Minnesota game where he called fair catch

and they said he shouldn't have called it. I don't know if there's a game in the time that I've covered this team that pisses me off more than that games. Yeah, yeah, Dak was just dealing and they would not let him win the game. They just were terrified of letting the quarterback win the game. They ran it and yeah. Yeah, anyway, well, let's go back to the draft and talk about some we've been talking about the O line. We've talked well, they talked also about the past rusher situation. That's the

priority and all that. But looking at what happened last in last year's draft, I believe it was eight out of their eleven picks that they win with defense of defensive player and they really back that whole area that side of the ball very well. Now is this the year that maybe they could possibly do the same with all the picks that they have bought on the other side of the ball and really reinforce the offense. Maybe. I mean, you guys just been talking about it there.

You know, you want to get a tight end, you want to get a wide receiver, you want to get offensive line help. They could turn us into just an offensive draft and go heavy offense. Right, No, I love that idea. Just because no, because I still think I mean, linebackers not deep and corner corner looks good now, but like Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis may not be here for you know, too much longer, safety, the press pressure. I mean, I think it's more of a split year.

I think this is this is like, I mean, take good players and at the end of the day, it'll probably be a five four split or maybe six three, but it'd be kind of split. They blew me, wasn't it nine two? It was semi yeah, semi ball And no, no, it was eight to three. You're right it, yeah, Farniac, it was eight to three year. But they blew me away when they did that, because that's just not the

way draft classes usually work. Like what are the odds that a defender is your highest grade every time you come up on the clock, or an or an offensive player for that matter. So I leaned toward thinking no, but I do, I do think an emphasis needs to be placed. Yeah, I if you've even and if you draft seven guys, you know, if you get rid of a couple of those late picks, two offensive linemen, probably a good idea a receiver, a tight end. I mean

that's four right there. Yeah, maybe a day. I think this team would be very smart to draft a running back on day three. M So yeah, I yeah, I bet you there will be more offensive players drafted than defensive. But I do still think they'll even it out. Not Jerome bettest big, but I need I need a big running back. I mean a bigger guy. Rashad White, what team Arizona State? Okay, I like him a thing. Just give me a runner that can he's big guy. No, I mean I'm not. I'm not talking about a slow

guy here. I don't No. No, when I think you run, I mean they can run the ball like I don't care if he's big little, I don't care. Yeah, well can he play football well? And I think I think he can. Yeah. Because the reason why I say that is I think, you know, Tony Pollard could come back next year, and then I think you want kind of a complimentary type guy to him, and so that's that's

what I'm looking for. I mean, don't have to get both Scarborough in here, but like somebody that's, you know, relatively big, that that's not a scatback type player, more of a more of a three down runner that you're sure you're gonna get Pollar back. No, I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure about anything with running back. Zeke might be here for the next ten years. I don't know. But that's also why I think I just

get me a running back that can play like. I don't try to match up because I don't know what's going to happen necessarily, you know, as you start moving down these next couple of years that you're running, just want the three down running back that that start not And I don't want another Tony Pollard type right now. I'm not saying they're not valuable. I'm saying I don't need to figuring out how to get Tony Pollard to the ball is it was a chore in itself. So

I just another guy that can run the ball. He's gonna be your preseason hero. He's gonna get three hundred rushing yards in the preseason. He's gonna look great. That's the guy I want. Do you think Tony Pollers a three down back? Yeah? I do too. What's three downs, second, third, and fourth? Special teams? No, I don't, not really, I don't think so. I don't think I wouldn't want Tone Pollard to take the type of workload that Zeke takes, but probably in this day and age, nobody should, right

I think most don't. Most don't, most teams don't. Tony could probably stand to improve on his pass pro but also just run him out on a route and if you think you're going to get decked there he is. You know, h yeah, I think he could do it for sure. He's not. Again, we don't need to have this debate right now. But like Zeke brings value in that regard, just is it enough to offset the explosiveness that you're not getting. Was Darren Sproles a three down back?

I don't think he ever was, but man, he killed the Cowboys at times and he was so valuable in his own way, and so so I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying he's I don't think he should be a three down back, but I think they can figure out ways to get him the ball more and be a little bit more dynamic running back. It is not a problem for me right now. And you know, running back that comes in here is gonna be good if you don't fix this old line

right now. So they better focus on that first and then we'll see what falls down the line in those later rounds. We're gonna take our final break when we come back. I do want to talk about the new rule that the NFL approved the owner's meetings, which is the overtime rule in the playoffs. So we'll discuss that after the break. Hi, I'm Clint Tillison with and I'm Jay Novachek, and we're both With Turf, the official tractor

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The zero you deserve is finally here, Back to the break. Whether you're watching from home or cheering from the stands Esler Lenses will let you see every exciting playbook, an appointment at your local Esseler Experts and find the perfect Eseler lens for you. See more, do more Esler. Well, well, okay, welcome back to the break. Um wanted to get here. You guys's opinion on this new rule that the they approved, which is, you know, it would only happen in playoffs.

And I thought that Stephen Jones quote was actually pretty interesting because I never actually thought of this stad but he basically said that every team and the team that wins the toss is ten and two in the playoffs as far as wins, So pretty interesting data. Ten and two with seven of the ten wins coming on the first possession of the game since twenty Yeah, so yeah, pretty compelling information right there. Yeah. So I've heard different

kinds of opinions. People that hate this rule and don't think it's very good, some others that are kind of okay with it. So what are y'all thought on it. I don't mind the rule. I don't. Here's why I don't like. I don't like one game changing it. And I feel like that's sort of what happened because then in the FC Championship game the week later, it didn't really affect it. My biggest issue is that I just

hate rules for playoffs but not regular season. I've seen the Cowboys in twenty eleven, twelve, and thirteen play week seventeen with the game on the line, the season on the line, when did vision or you go home? That game sounds like a playoff game to me, And then you're telling me that it's different because of you know, now, the overtime is different because it's not a playoff game. If I don't win this game, I'm going fishing tomorrow, So it's matters. I mean, I don't just don't understand.

It's all about TV ratings and are not ratings. It's TV time slots and making sure that games don't overlap and go too far. But I don't know. I mean, that's that's not new though. I mean, hockey changes the overtime rule in the playoffs. If you wouldn't know, if you're tied after overtime. In hockey, you go to a shootout and the winner gets more points than the loot like I think the loser winds up getting a point for getting to a shootout, and the winner gets an

extra point. And then in overtime or in the playoffs, you just play overtime until somebody wins. I mean, that's a terrible example. Why because they play eighty two hockey games. If you haven't figured it out in the regular season, then you're not good enough to go in the playoffs. But in sixteen or seventeen games. I think the regular season matters more in the NFL than any other sport. So that's why I think that I wouldn't change the rule. So I think NFL games in December are like almost

like playoff games, and they shouldn't. You shouldn't change the rule for I don't. I don't. I don't care about it. I don't. I just you have the whole game, yeah, and then you still have a chance to stop the guy. And I mean for the for that, I don't think the rule needed to be changed. I mean the way that it's the way that the league is so passed happy. It's it's nice to give the other team a chance. I mean, yeah, like Pat Mahomes is going to go

down and score, Josh Allen probably would have to. Um, I disagree, though, Like I love that the league saw a concrete example and was like, this might be broken, maybe we should fix it. How long did we have to wait for them to change the des rule after the Dez game? Where like I was thinking about that yesterday talking to Stephen the Bills Chiefs game happens, and then like two months later, everybody's like, this has to

be fixed. Well, this has been a conversation for a few it has, but I just like it felt like for like, for for a while after the Cowboy Packer game, everybody was like shut up cow Boys, Like we get it, you're upset about the catch rule. Nobody cares, And then it finally got changed. After that, I thought it was nice to see the league like identify a problem and do something about it. Um, I don't know, I don't care, Like how often has this How often has it come

up where this? I guess it's ten times since twenty ten, so like every other postseason. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I'm kind of weak. You day. I never really I wasn't as upset as everybody else in the rule. Like I thought, you know, you get yeah, I get it, And I thought the current rule does give you a chance to make sure that, like you can't lose on a field goal, So if you let him go all the way down the field and score a touchdown, you had a chance to stop him. You didn't, and you

lost the game. Like I just wasn't. I wasn't as as as crazy about this one as everybody else. They didn't need it to be changed, but I'm not. I'm not mad about more drama like that. That game. That game is as much fun as I've had watching football in a long time. And if you had told me Josh Allen would have gotten the ball back, I'm okay with that. I'd love to watch him try to tie that game. So that's fine, especially how this postseason win

last year. I mean a lot of crazy games, but they all came down to like those like like last quarter, those last few minutes where you'd actually got intense and you're like, oh, what's gonna happen? And after playing three whole quarters of nonsense, basically terrible football, I guess What I'm saying too, is like, and I don't know this yet, but does the strategy change? You know? Do you do you want the ball second? Now? I think you do, yeah, because you know what, you may know what you need

to do. It's kind of like college, right. And also if you stop them, you know you're getting the ball, so might as well stop them, and maybe you punt and you get the ball at midfield and all you need at that point is a field goal. So yeah, that's that's what my point is. I don't think football strategy should change in week eighteen of the season and then the next week it changes. It completely changes, because

now you're in the playoffs and you're not. Even though I've been, you know, it was a winner, go home mentality. And saying with baseball, which I don't really watch that too, I mean, why why is there two extra umpires in the outfield just for the playoff games? If it's neat and then do it, then do it. That's kind of what I'm thinking. So you wouldn't you would take the ball second? Now? I would take the ball second, just

like college. Yeah, you can't lose on an offensive score. Yeah, I would take take the wind if it's a if it's a need, yeah, I mean if I mean, if that's if that's a factor. Sure, wind, I mean I thought it was a factor again in New England. I thought New England won the toss and the Cowboys played that game the way the wind was, I was like, this works out good. I remember telling Dave and Rob that.

I was like, this is actually a good thing, because you know, it was Mac Jones gonna get another miracle type play and score touchdown. Probably not, They're gonna punt into the wind. Cowboys are gonna get it and go get a field goal or touchdown. And so that was a case where yeah, weather, weather always is a factor

up there. It seems like my hopes for this season were so high at that game and just like as good as I've ever felt about a Cowboy and what But then it was like nothing, this is this is great, Like nothing is wrong with the world, even it's raining on this and this is this is great, that this Cowboys team is really good. Why is that glimping? Okay, it's kind of grimacing there. That look good. Yeah he'll be fine, that was the thing. Oh, he'll be fine.

They'd be fine. They're good and and you know he was healthy after that. But it did it changed? Well, everything changed, Like I still don't know how did that affect it? Did the chemistry go away because he was out for a week. Actually, I don't think that I felt better about the team than next week when they beat the Vikings with Cooper rush, I was like, Okay, now this team we're rolling out they can't if they can win with Cooper rushing the inn, they yeah, they're ready.

That's to bring it, which we're running out of time. But that's this is these are the things I think about where I'm just like that they wound up being disappointing. Yeah, and they're not better than they were then now and they probably won't be. I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say they probably won't be. And that's a tough pill to swallow. Well, to wrap up the show and wrap up some of the things are summer right, some of the things that we talked about, which as

far as like needs and all that. If the Cowboys had to play a game tonight and you had a choice to rain for reinforce three positions, only three, why would those three position positions be I could just get better than what we've got right now? How draft pick? I mean, like, can I call Randy, like, hey, can you do us a solid one week for one night? Easy question. This is a really easy question, guys. We've already said it. It's center, it's guard's wide receiver, like

those you're right now, those are positions you need help with. Left, guard, wide receiver, defensive end more than center. Yeah, Like, if this is the hypothetical, I'm don't like these defensive ends. Like you don't think that that he just think that's comparable. I think I don't. I think Randy is like I think to be given being given a little bit too much credit here center him, I have a problem with center as much. And that that's really what it comes

down to. See, that's not here I been. If it was the fourth position, you might say center might but that's okay. I mean, that's that's what it comes down to. Like I noticed that when we were talking earlier. It's just and and you know, and I said it, if he gets if he can continue to get better, I just not I'm not seeing as much but guard. For me, it'd be guards, center, and um a linebacker. You guys, if we were playing a game at night, you guys

feel like wide receiver's fun, I said, receiver. Okay, I'm sorry, Nick, I terrified of this receiver corpus. It's especially for playing to night. Yeah, like receivers number one one can can gallop stiff arm with crutches. Who stiff arm? Then, yes, that's how my last boy scout pull out. While Washington you got Seze Lamb, you got Noel Brown. Okay, receiver, yeah, receiver, guard, center, Okay, figure it out, figured it out, you can do it.

And that's that's that's part of this thing. It really is. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, they thought he figured it out last year, and they're gonna let him figure and I trust him to figure it out, like what he did with his defense, what you did with his defense goal. Oh that's actually going yeah, Actually, let's take the center, Let's take the center out and let's go with the guard. Let's go with the kicker, and let's go with the

wide receiver. We're we're having we're joking right now, and it's it's not even April yet, so I get it. But there's they are putting a lot of pressure on their personnel. Department. The way that this is, well, it hasn't worked, and it's at some point it starts being unfair in my opinion, where you're like, man, you guys do such a great job. Do it again. Man, you guys did a great job. Again. You guys, do it

again again. We don't want to pay. Yeah, I just when you say hasn't worked, are you saying, like the fans say they haven't had another trophy? You know they Okay, you're right, I'm just asking like, what what do you mean hasn't they have? Well, I'm actually I'll take the words right out of Will mcclay's mouth. It's like it's not good enough because we're not accomplishing our goals. Yeah, I mean, and they are again even more like I like, you can't you can't put everything on the super Bowl

because there's so much randomness that goes into that. But like, barring a minor miracle, I don't think they're gonna be a better team than they were last year. And that's what it's about. And I know you got to worry about like the next three years, the next four years. I think it's still reasonable to expect them to be trying to take a step forward in twenty twenty two, and I don't feel like they're doing that. I could be wrong, that's my opinion. Yeah, mainly because they lost

Amari and Randy. I just replaced that level. And it's it's you can take the names out of it, Like the production and talent that they've lost is more than what they've added in. And I don't think I don't think nine draft picks is enough to replenish that right away. You know, the last two drafts have been about as much as you could ask for, and you got like one immediate impact player per class win both of those. And and that goes back to my point, like, yeah,

you found CD, you found Mica. Everybody's human. This thing is really really hard, Like they're you're gonna slip at some point. Probably they drafted Taco, they'll probably do it again. And that's not a knock on Will and his guys. That's just the reality of the draft. And so it's

just it puts a lot of pressure on him. You tend to realize so much on like, oh, well McClay, he's so great at his job, but Taco to Taco, Charlton and the other players that you know, you're you're not always gonna get them really really hard to consistently get them right. Being great at that job probably means you hit fifty percent in time, Like this is not a high percentage type thing to be great at at drafting players like you. Nobody drafts one hundred percent. Like

nobody's gonna hit on every draft pick. So that's that's that's the nature of just that job in general. Like you to miss, there's absolutely you gonna miss. It's just

a part of it. And that's like I said, by and by and large, I think their strategy is right in general, but he can't count so much on that in my opinion, and they refuse to agree with me about I think though honestly, like like if this was a football game, I think we're in the We're still in the first quarter of how this gang is going to go, because I think we sit here in Oxnard, if we're all there, and hopefully we all are and

in Oxnard in a week looking good. Yeah, like like a week into Oxnard, I'd like to I'd like to see, like is this team you think it's it's better because of all the stuff that's happened draftwise, they got more free agency guys to sign, cut trade whatever. Now we'll look at we've seen it for about a week. Now, what do we really think Because this team won games without d Law and Randy, they won games. They figured out on defense without Amari, We'll see. I mean that

that's that's a question. Seed's gonna have to take that that leap. He's got to be that guy. And if he is is and then some of the other guys can help, then then they might have a chance there. I'm not ready to say that they've taken a step backet because I just still think we're way too early in the game. But looking at it now, they haven't

replaced it yet, so you have to say that. And that's another reference that did upset me from Mike McCarthy was like, we haven't gotten to the fourth quarter just yet. In free agent. I'm like, oh my god, Well, it doesn't always work out for y'all in the fourth quarter. But whoa, you're not wrong. It doesn't. They struggle so much first, second, and third that whatever happened in the fourth quarters doesn't. Wow, that's a hell of an analogy, right, Yeah,

So there's two ways to look at it. Yeah all right, well Derek, I'll let you do the honors. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you later. Bless wow wow, Okay, I'll take it. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club h