Cowboys Break: Better or Worse?

It's State thirteen Training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by American Airlines. Were outre in Oxnard, California. Man, we were around in the corner and getting close to the end of camp. Cowboys will actually be taking the field this week for a game. Just so everyone knows what the schedule looks like. We have our show today and then tomorrow there will not be shows. We will It will be a travel day for the Cowboys. They'll be heading out to Cleveland and then to Canton for the Hall

of Fame game on Thursday. On Friday, there will be a joint podcast. We will have our writers on. Dave and Nick I soon will be a part of that. But they'll talk to you a little bit about what happens in this game. On Thursday, Saturday, we've got a live broadcast of Cowboys practice. It'll be a joint practice with the Rams, and we'll have a live broadcast across all of our channels. On Sunday, we'll jump back in.

We'll have a podcast on Sunday, We'll have a podcast on Monday, podcast on Tuesday, and podcast on Wednesday, and then we will end training camp and we will head back to our confines in Frisco, Texas. So a lot well, yeah, no, I mean, like as far as the shows are concerned, the team will travel to Arizona, but we will start back our coverage after that the following week in Frisco, Texas.

How much did you learn in that thing? I got lost, to be honest with you, day at a time, many man Jason Garrett taught me that I thought, Nick, I thought you were going to send out that email to the team to let them know what the schedule was. Why am I letting everybody in the air knowing Dave doesn't even know. No, Dave doesn't know I send it out. I just didn't send it to you. Oh yeah, they look on days spaces like that happened really? Okay, yeah, yeah,

sure that happened. He's everybody, all our producers, all of our producers over the sand. I never got will It was like he didn't send an email. Just play along, all right, Let's jump into this thing. Man. It's eight practice now, it's okay. We can make sure that's sure that Now everybody on the team can listen to the break and they can get the schedule for the next week. We have eight practices done out here. We got four more to go before the Cowboys in training camp. Let's

start first school. We always start. I want some observations from you guys. What did you see in the last practice? Each of you give me an observation. Let's start with you, Dave. After that, that was a long off day. I feel like like, I mean, that's a nice off day. I gotta remind myself what happened on Sunday? Was it Sunday? Yeah? That would have been Sunday? Okay, I mean, ja, do we have to spend a lot of time on ceedee lamb, good god? Yeah. You can just say CD had a

great catch. You can do it every day. He could. I think it was. It was within the last week that I was like, yeah, you know, he's he's a great player and he's fun, but like he's you know, eighty eight he lays does he is he doing death stuff out here? Every Yeah he is. I did. I wasn't sure that that was the thing a week ago maybe, but he does it every damn day. Man. He does something fun every time we go out there. So I'm sure if you're listening to this, you've probably seen the

catch that he had the other day. It was super fun. Um what else jumps out? Oh, Cyrus Mitchell caught like eighteen passes the other day. That was like he was just the guy, you know, like, yeah, they must have liked a match up they saw with him because he he was out there doing his thing. Um was it? I think it was Durance Armstrong also had a really nice day the other day, Um, which he's had a lot a few nice Yeah, very quietly putting like you know,

people people loved You're You're boring by year four? Is it already? You're it's your three or four for Dorance? This is fourth year for him. People are bored, like you know, people are trying to fire him. Because he's a fourth year guy and he doesn't have a lot of career sacks, but he's making this team. Oh yeah, he's definitely making the team. And you know we've had some people kind of you know, scouts, coaches that tell us he's having a really really good camp. Um, we

ranked him. You know, we did our top fifteen. Um play yeah you have it. No I don't have it. Well, here's what tell you? What do you give me? The top five? In the top five is great. This is what I love about it is. You know, we were talking about and we talked about with a couple of scouts and they were like, wow, you know you got CD, you got Gregory Digs Shoults. And I'm like that's good. That's our top four. So we're not we're not too Yeah,

we got something figured out. Um. They threw Dorin's Armstrong in that group of top five. We had him ten, I believe on our list. Um, you know other players that we had in there for us, if I had to remember, were like Kazi, Um he was in there. Who else am I Layden, Vanderesh, Parson, Parsons is I think was gamp is having a great camp? And you know we we kind of we also look at it with expectations too. I mean, Malik Turner, it might be

seven or eight. We wouldn't have put him in our top eighty of players we thought would make the team. Definitely not right. He would be in the bottom ten, no chance. But they signed him for a reason, you know. But but he's he's played well. He's taken advantage of the fact that that Cooper's out and also Gallup's been out. He's got some good reps there. Uh, he's had a really really good camp. That's one that was kind of a surprising one. Um Devil Gallimore was in there. Also

did Gazoo was in there. Uh, in that like that eight nine range. They've they've they've done something. They showed some good things. We had iron like eleven Tyrant hasn't practiced much, but when he's practiced, he's been pretty good. Put him on the list. Yeah, he's on the list. He's out here. I'm just surprised by that. And he's out here. Other any other receivers come to mind. I don't really think so good and receivers corners are the ones that you know, we always him. McEwan got in

there at fourteen. Yeah, yeah, he's had he's had a pretty nice training camp. He's surprising too. You know, you just only expect him to get in in that mix, I think, And going back to Sunday, I think that was maybe the most entertaining practice of the entire training camp, honestly, and when when something's entertaining, that means both sides are making plays. Um they did a red zone period offense versus defense. Defense whipped their ass. They won seven to three.

Kean O'Neill had a nice interception, Treyvon Diggs broke up a couple of balls. But it's probably Garrett Gilbert's best day of practice too. I don't remember. While he did throw an interception in the seven on seven, but in team drills he didn't throw any picks. As you know. Sean McEwan kind of draft jog my memory. He had a couple of nice catches on Sunday. Everybody just seemed a little bit more comfortable and it was It was a very entertaining practice because Saturday and Thursday of last

week were kind of rough, but Sunday was good. Sunday was fun. Only two guys I didn't mention on the list, I would say it was Maurice Kennedy and yeah, we had him like a twelve. And then also Connor Williams has done a nice job. And they're putting Connor in different different spots, trying him at center. He's not he's not all the way there yet as your backup center, but I think he's learning and it It kind of annoys me when I hear people say, you know, he's

doing a pretty good job. He's still new to him. He's gonna pick it up, but he's gonna get it. So if you would have done this a year and a half ago, we sort of talked about it. Well they had bigger problems a year ago, right, but he should he could have gotten center snaps. You know. Here, it's like and this has been talked about. I mean I even think Chris Bean came up to me last year and said, you know, Connor Williams could be playing. I mean, I think it's been discussed. Yeah, that's never

been never played him out there. That kind of frustrates me. Mike McCarthy said, play in the college all American left tackle at right tackles Fantasy football nonsense. So I'm never gonna forget that. I won't. I won't, I won't do it. It was insulting anyway, Sorry not to that really first I did. It's insulting when somebody calls your very not stupid idea stupid and then does it three weeks later, Yeah, as though it was their idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.

I want to get everyone ready ready for the Hall of Fame game. Um, first of all, let me let me give me an update on kind of what you what you think is what you heard from the standpoint of who you expect we'll play in this game? You expect to see starters? How many of them? Like? What are you expecting to see this game? Okay, forget play

who's gonna go on it? Because I feel like it's different now, you know, before you know, with COVID protocols, unnecessary risk of like leaving this bubble, going to a new city, traveling and then it's freaking I mean, between the bus ride and the flight, it's a hard travel, a long trip, and you know some of these guys, you know, does Tyron Smith need to sit on a plane for four hours if he's not going to play in this game? Lyle Colins Zach Martin. Well, that's true.

They are flying in the nice plane, aren't they. They're a nice it's all nice, they're all nice plane. But they're flying in a very comfortable plane. Yes. Um, I still don't know if it's worth it, though, Like I bet a decent number of these guys stay behind, and then you've got you still have six or seven guys on pup like Amari Cooper and DeMarcus Lawrence. They don't need to be there, uh So. And I don't know the answers to this, but I bet a lot of these guys are going to stay behind a knox Nard.

Maybe not a lot, but at least a hand fill. Yeah, And that's that's another dynamic as well, because not saying what these guys are gonna do, but you know, would you rather than be in Cleveland and you know, with a curfew or here on Wednesday night, you know, no practice again until Saturday. Let's be clear, they won't be here. They will not be here. That'll be so down in Malibu or something. So there's a lot of things to

consider it. And also, you know, just with that with that scrimmage there against the Rams, I mean, or whatever, you're gonna call it a practice on scrimmage, but practice. But you could kind of see or hear the frustration a little bit out of McCarthy the other day when he was just talking about it. Now he him and Sean McVay agreed to this, so they may it sound like he didn't. He wasn't, you know, have a saying this.

It's just that now when you you can say it way back in the summer and go, Okay, we're gonna play on Thursday, and then we'll come full fly across country, be back Friday, and then we're gonna scrimmage on or practice on Saturday. Well, that all sounds nice and good. Your injury list is like two guys. Now your injury list is and now you're sitting here and it's here and your injury list is like twelve fourteen, sixteen guys.

Doesn't sound as good. You got to get through the game and then, you know, I talked to John Fossil yesterday because I had talked to Joe D. Camillis as well, and they were actually trying to connect that Joe T was trying to you know, he did. He talked to Fossil to figuring out what are you guys gonna do? How are we gonna practice? We got fourteen minutes to practice, and Fossil was telling me that sounds nice. I gotta see what my guys look like coming back from the game.

So this is you're just weighing a lot of things here, and we're gonna find out a lot about this football team in the next four or five days. It might be, as you guys were saying, for some of those vets, this might be a nice little break. For those lower guys. It's gonna be a tough few days because we're gonna play a lot of football in these next few days, and a lot of football, competitive football against other teams when you think about it from the standpoint of a game,

and then playing against the Rams. So it's gonna be a really tough days for those guys that are trying to make that You ever seen that, We've ever seen eight days. We've ever seen three different helmets against the Cowboys in eight days. Oh us, Mickey, Mickey would let us know. I don't know, I don't know. That sounds like a lot to me. I mean, just like somebody there's gonna be a backup guard or somebody's blocking a Steeler, a ram in a cardinal in eight days, it's gonna

be I mean, and especially at certain positions. So CJ. Goodwin left practice on Sunday. It didn't look so it didn't even happen during the physical part of practice, so I think it was probably soft tissue. Josh Ball left practice with an ankle issue. So now okay, and so now we already you know, Tyren Smith, Lyle Collins, Zackmartin probably not going to play in this game, or if they do, it would be a very low number of snaps. So if a Josh Ball's gone or a CJ. Goodwin's gone,

you know the same thing. You know, how many snaps is Travon Digs is gonna play? Anthony Brown? Probably not a lot. So now hope you're ready, Maurice Kennedy, Kelvin Joseph gonna get you shot. I hope you're ready. Terrence Steel You're probably gonna play a lot of snaps on Thursday night. Who do you think is the best football player on this team that's gonna play Thursday Night? Mmm?

Michael Parsons, Who do you think's the best player that's actually played in a game before that's gonna play, Because you're right, I think it would be Parsons. Wow, that's so you're your most established player. I mean, but you can't sit everyone. You can't sit every starter and still try to get think the game. In terms of starters. The guy that I I think has to play as Tyler Beotish, Yeah, he needs reps. I'm not sure Connor Williams doesn't get a little bit of rep right, I

don't think he might have maybe a little bit. He's not gonna play very long. I wouldn't think I would put you want him to play second team center? Second? Oh yeah, yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing that a little bit. I think other than Mica, my answer to that might be Tony Pollard. Honestly, I would assume he'll get on how much you're gonna play him at least the series or two? Right, Yeah, I mean that's true. He's a

good football player. He doesn't need to be that. I really want to see a lot of him this day. I hope it's not Tony Pollard. Because Shannon and our social team asked me to help with a with a pole question, and I said, who's going to lead the team in rushing Thursday mentioned him, no, and he won't. Way he's who won. I don't. I don't know who won the pull Dottle. Here's the thing we gotta remember too,

Like we're talking about this in relative terms. These starters, they play a full game all season, like, so for these young guys to go out and play a full game if Dowdle is the only running back that plays for them the whole game, or if they have him and maybe one other guy. The other guys I can't and I'll know their names once they get to a point where they're gonna make the team, right, Okay, but I know their names. But this is as little as I've ever cared about a running back group just in

this because I mean, it's already done. It seems done to me, unless unless they love Nick Ralston so much that they just had got to have a full back h back. I don't see anybody taking Rico Dowdell's job away, right, So I mean when I look at that, I'm just like, yeah, it's I mean, we're talking in relative terms, but these guys can go out and play a full game. Like

these young guys can play a full game. They don't have to have somebody else spelling them as with the you know the language, you know for these young guys, spin it is that. With that, Ulna Luis said, I'm ready to spin it. I just take it that means I'm ready to run, ready to roll, ready to whatever. I actually guess I've never heard somebody say that, but yeah, I've heard some might say that. He's my Okay, Well, yeah, you didn't hear let's what's your boy's name in the

movie You want to win? Let Booby spin? Like that's like I thought it was, you want to win, put Booby in? And then he said let Booby spin. I didn't hear that. Yeah, that was come on, man, you should know that. I should. I just didn't hear that line. All right here, it was you want to win, put Booby in. Shy is gonna lead the team in rushing though, that's who I think they're gonna he's yeah, he's just yahybe let's go shao Alna Louis, all right, here's gonna do. We'

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talk about the draft. Cowboys drafted a ton of players this last year, and coming out of the draft, I think there was a general consensus that the Cowboys at least did a fairly decent job on Draft Day. At least they addressed a lot of the issues that they

needed to address. We'll see where it all lands. But what I want to do is I want you guys in your minds to go back to the Sunday following the draft, and I want you to think about the expectations that you had for each of these players based upon where they were selected and what you thought of them going into the draft, and then I want you to tell me, based on the things you've seen in OTAs, the things you've seen out here at training camp, have they been above, have they met or are they below

the expectations that you had for them at this point in their careers? Very early? I know that, but let's just get a grade, right. So let's start first with the first round pick, Michael Parsons. This is gonna sound bad, but like, this is this is what I expected, honestly. And I think I can say that because I was kind of one of those guys that was onto this

pick even before they drafted him. I when I watched him, I didn't see anybody really blocking him, and I said it, well, let's see, he's not going up against Northwestern and Purdue in Michigan State and all that, but he hasn't really been blockable here to some degree, and so I think that this is kind of what I expected to see, maybe not this early, but I did expect to see this stuff. I'm anxious to see what kind of what happened in the game. Yeah, I mean I maybe my

expectations are above and like I've I've been ready. I've readily admitted it. Like I wasn't sure about the pick I wanted Rashaan Slater. It looks like he's doing really well for the Chargers by the way. Um and I said, I was like, this feels like boom or bust to me, Like it could be really good, it could be really bad. You know, there were questions about maturity, took the year off of football all. You know, we don't need to go over the whole thing. But I had my doubts,

and I don't feel that way right now. He looks really really impressive. I mean, they're putting a lot on him. He's got a dot by the way, he's like, they're letting him call stuff not all the time, not all the time, but he does do it. That's a little bit more to Fantasy's you got a green dot on your helmet. It means you have the radio and they, you know, the coaching staff makes the defensive calls to you. So and then do you tell the huddle, what's going on.

But you got to know the plays really well. So Layton and Jalen have one too, I mean, the only one guy can have it during the season, but at training camps, so he's not doing everything, but he is making calls on defense. They're used him in pass rusher, they're using him in coverage, which is something I was worried about. I was like, how versable was this guy gonna be? Is going to contribute to the to the

pass rush. Well he's doing that. Um, haven't heard a peep about him being a problem of any sorts since he got drafted, by the way, so hey, it's very early. It's very early. So but having said all of that, this is what you should expect from a top twelve pick. Like so, he's probably not above the expectations of where he was drafted, but he's probably above the expectations that I had. So I've been very impressed. All right, let me say one thing about before we move on to

the next pig. As great as Parsons has been so far, and we're all excited about him, you know, the Rashaun Slater debate is going to go on for a while because when you think about where we are at offensive tackle and guard and some of the question mark there and some of the injuries and all that, Like having him on the team right now would have really been Yeah, a good thing, sure, you know, and linebacker's kind of a jumbled thing. Um. You know, who knows if Layton

he might have had the fifth year option. They might have given him that option if you didn't if they didn't draft Parsons. So you know, it's certainly not a point where you're like, well, good call. They got Parsons, and I I I that's who I thought they should have taken, was Parsons to help the defense. But we're not. We're not out of the woods on this debate. But which is. And that's the fun thing about the draft

is those debates go on for year years. I mean, Zeke looked like a better pick than Ramsey for a few years. And now you can certainly make the case that Ramsey was the better decision. I think that's probably an easy case to make right now. Um, And well, that's a different show. And that's not even just about what's on the field. I'm talking about all the other stuff.

You get, you get my point. These things evolved well, and so yeah, if if if is there any second third fourth round pick in that twenty sixteen draft, No, yeah, if there isn't, No, I'm oh not none that or as important as Dak is. No. No, no no, I don't mean Dad. I mean I mean Ramsey plus the running back that you draft later helps, you know, because we've seen McFadden have success. I mean, we've seen Alfred Morris have some success. So we think you know that that's

always the debate there. I don't know if there's a second third fourth round. I mean, Anthony Brown was the sixth round corner that came in. Henry was that draft, but I don't remember if he might have been off the board before the Cowboys picked. I don't remember that

it does. Yeah, no, I think people say, you go, yeah, you could have had Ramsey and Hens or Henry any of the off the rails a little bit, but those things if But I said this yesterday on Twitter, is I was worried that we were going to be watching Rashawn Slater ball out and I would just be upset, like, oh my god, this sucks. And now it's really more like, well, maybe I wasn't wrong, but maybe both teams will be happy. And that's kind of where I feel. That's how I

feel right now. You said something a few minutes ago, Derek, I think I don't want this to get kind of, you know, um forgotten. But yes, he looks great. Michael Parsons looks great doing all these things. But rookies, their head is got to be spinning, and to put them in four or five different spots is very very important.

I mean, the fact he can go here, here, here, he I believe will turn into the player, whether it be this year or next year, where the quarterback will go to the line of scrimmage to find out where eleven is. You have to yep, yeah, where is he? Because that tells you this whole thing. You don't really know. He's right here, he's over here, He's over here changes the whole play. And that sounds great, But not everybody

has the capability of learning all of those spots. When name the last time the Cowboys had a guy like that that they moved around that much, I can't think of one. I mean, you start going back to some of the old day guys like they would do that, and they'd have that you know what we call in high school the monster position where you basically roam around the field and you're in different spots. Right, Cowboys haven't really traditionally done that because it takes a very special

player to be able to do that. In to your point, he's doing that in his first training camp. So how much more growth does he have to where he can possibly be graded all those different things? And I know I've said this all the time, but I think people forget this when you talk about corners that travel and linebackers that move, Well, if they're moving around, that means someone else is moving too, and there is that person

capable of moving all this stuff. Because you can have a corner that travels everywhere, that means this, well, the right corner has also got to travel and got to be able to learn the left side. And so if if if somebody if MICA's rushing off the edge on this play, well where's where's d Law? And well he's sliding in and where did this guy go? Well he moved, you know, So everybody's got to be disciplined. And that's why I think dan Quinn is here. I think this

what that's what we're gonna find out? How good he it really is. Henry was on the board by the way, just saying sorry. Moving on. Second round pick Kelvin Joseph Um better better than I thought. I was the one that said, you know, I didn't love the pick. I didn't love the pick. Didn't love what I've thought was a reach. Didn't understand maybe where what he's done in his back ground and where he's been here in his dedication and all that. Uh, he's a little bit better

than that. He's still here, he's competing and all that. He's cocky. I like that. We'll see I think I think lights come on, he might be a gamer. I'm excited to see him. But you know, I think he's probably where I thought he'd be. Um. I am impressed. You know, he didn't really have a spring because of covid um or. He was behind a little bit um. And I think it's a testament to his athleticism and his dedicate Like he's not he's not lost out there.

I mean he's getting reps. He hasn't made a ton of splash plays, but uh, and and he even he had a day or two where he couldn't go because of a hamstring and he's still but you know, they're not afraid to put him out there, and he's competing. He's had some PBUs. He's a talker for sure. Um, but I'm not surprised by that because he did have the athleticism in the tape to be a top fifty pick. So he's He's where I thought he'd be, all right. Also,

Diggi Zula. Oh, I'm way better than I thought I was. There. You know, I spell his name right, I say his name right to I'm going I'm doing much better than I ever. Have you guys been in your hotel rooms, like literally just writing his name over and over? Actually, well you get it right, Yeah, that's exactly what I do for something. My brain. My brain just wouldn't let me remember that he had a W in his last

name for the longest time. But I think I finally Yeah, William had to give me a talking had I had to break that one down with Oh, dig Hi zua and dig hi za whatever helps, whatever helps. It's like connect I cut Superman. Here's everyone Lake Superior or Michigan here on anyway? Sorry Ontario Erie, No, you never heard that? Yeah whatever, Wow, I never never heard that. No, not like that Superman. Here's everyone superior Michigan, Ontario. Sorry, wow, anyway,

I'll do things a little different. I guess what's a little different if it's what's the one for the planets? I mean there's different ones. Oh my excuse my d No, that's math that's math y, my very something mother, educated mother, just something I don't know. You've never, you never. We just learned the names. Like no, it's called it. It's called the nemonic. I know that we just learned the names. Like we didn't need My daughter did that the other day.

My very educated mother serves us. There we Hey, whatever works, man, whatever works. Were all right, let's get back on is above. I think you know, we who do the draft, we were a little surprised to hear his name called that early. Um, so you thought, where do you where do you think you should go? Like where would you guys? Where were you guys projecting him to go? He went in the

round that we like, he went in the range. I would say, I just I wouldn't have guessed that he would be the first guy off the board with that third round pick. And he wasn't a guy that we had heard a lot about, which it's harder during COVID and all that. So I was a little down on just because and I'd have to go back and look, but there were other names available that I was higher on. Um. But he he looks impressive. No, he looks the part for big and he's act and he gets behind the

line of scrimmage absolutely. Um. So I above, Yes, so far, I want to see he's one of those guys. I'm excited to see what he is after a year in the training, in the in the strength and conditioning program. Because he's already a big dude and you add some muscle and some strength to that, He's gonna be a handful long term. I think really like a cool guy too. I got a chance to spend some time with him during media days and he was very friendly and personable.

And then he had his first media availability of camp last week, and just like he's a he's a dude that I think it would be fun to like hang out and get a beer with for whatever that's worth. Yeah, hopefully these two guys are really really good for years to come. But I can't imagine I could see a radio show with Neville Gallimore. They have personality, you know, we saw we saw Galloway last year, like he has gall sorry last year, he has that that personality, definitely

has that personality. Yeah, Tristan Hill is not that so much, but yeah, but those other two I think they definitely have a personality to be able to do it. Um, we're gonna jump over Chauncy Gold. I haven't just haven't been able to play. We haven't seen enough of him. So what we're gonna do. We're gonna take our break. When we come back, we'll jump in talk a little bit more about Nashan Wright U and Bill Cox and some other names uh there in the later parts in

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can't beat William one Fan of the Year. Oh you can't. They just don't even know how big a fan William is. All right, let's jump back in. We got the final segment here at the break. We're talking about the rookies. We've gone through most of the third round picks except for Nashan Right. Talk to me about Sean Right. I mean, it's got to be above just because we tried to bury the guy on draft night because nobody had ever

heard of him. I mean, like that's just the honest truth, Like he wasn't a guy that anybody but the Cowboys was talking about as a third round pick. And six four just limbs for days. I mean, looks like he's gonna have a hard time moving in space and he I mean, he's definitely not perfect. He's lost his fair share of stuff out here, but he's out there competing

getting his hand on the football. Did it during OTA's You know, I'm saying, like very candidly, I'm just like this guy's gonna like have a hard time getting a jersey on game days as a rookie and sitting here like, no, he's gonna make the team and probably be a viable member of it. Man, you know, I don't think he's

gonna take anybody's starting job. But people people killed that pick when it happened, and it looks like early early, but like it at least doesn't look stupid right now, which is more than a lot of people said on draft night. I'm anxious to see what kind of role he'll have on a on a game day. I think for sure he makes the team. I'm just curious to see what, you know, and then that'll come down to what he does on special teams, you know. I mean, he's a long strider. He's got to be, so he's

gonna get down there, probably quicker than the most. Can't he be physical enough to do anything when he gets there? Now, I did see him throw this receiver to the ground the other day and I was like what, and then it was Reggie Davis, who is about one forty fifty. Reggie Davis, by the way, had a really nice catch yesterday. I don't know if you saw it. It It was on my Twitter. Um I got it. But yeah, pretty good video, pretty good. I'm trying to I'm helmet. I'm trying to

out helm and helmet here. But I can't give me that acces. I was trying to take Chris's job. We're doing. It's a good point. No, because he has Chris has the better equipment. Okay, is that what it is? Because he got he's got the better eye, but he's got a better equipment. Okay, it's having a really good care. I always get the headset on. He's like, we can switch if you Yeah, let's go give it a go. Yeah. I gave it to Shannon the other day and he's like, no,

take this back, I'll take the camera. Yeah, it's a little different when you got to pick up the big boy camera. Yeah. I don't know. No, he's I mean, he's It's amazing though, seriously, because we don't have I mean, we have good access, but we just don't have as many people as we normally have out here. And every time there's a great catch a CD or whoever, it's like, well, you know we have that Chris, did you get it? And he's right there, he's right there, or he's over

here and he's still got it and all that. We've had some really good stuff. Yeah good, no doubt, no doubt, you know, honestly for me, Sean Right, it's just gravy this year. Whatever you give from him as gravy. I'm thinking about him long term. Is he a guy that you can count on at whatever point they decide to move on from Anthony Brown and and Lewis? Like those are those are the more that's the more important question in my opinion, is he's going to develop into that?

And if he can, then great. The pick was a great pick. I don't care what they really get out of him this year. Play some special teams, that's it. I don't really care. I just want to know, can you play for him long term? Can you can you ease that pain when you have to move on from those vets because you're gonna move on from them in the next year or two. All right, let's move on to we just go quickly? Hear both of them down? Yeah?

Down and ball? Yeah? Well, I do want to get a little color on on on Jabril Cox because I think a lot of people had high hopes for him when the pick was made. Yeah, um. And he was a fourth round pick. So expectations can't be great when it's a fourth round pick. Yeah they can, can they? Yes? Well should they be well, yes, that's a different conversation. Yeah. But Jabril Cox is interesting. I mean a lot of

people saw him as a second round pick. A lot of you know, like, oh, I'd love to have him at seventy five, but I doubt he last that long. I mean, that was a very real thing. Had they taken Rashaunce later, they take Cocks in the second round, I firmly believe that. Really, I wouldn't be believe that, and and then we'd really be saying he is not they need a Yeah, maybe if they had gotten certain

maybe I think that's possible. I don't know. If they had an addressed corner in the first round, I think they still take. But he was a second round grade for them. Yeah, so he that is true. He was, And they were just as shocked as everybody else that he hung around. And that's how and the reason why you get a second round grade on someone and have three third round picks and not take them is because you already took Michael Parsons in the first round. When

you're in the fourth round. Now, it's kind of like all guys get the best guy, and that was an easy pick for them. But that and I do one, and so the answer is below. But what we got to figure out is is that because he's not ready or just because it's tough to get opportunities at that position. And I think that's I think that's the problem he's

dealing with right now. Is top twelve pick, seventy million dollar veteran, fifth year veteran, you know, leader of your defense or one of them at least Laton and then Keane O'Neill, who's the coaches guy and a high priority free agent. I mean, there's just not a lot of room for reps. But I'm gonna kind of play devil's advocate there because I've seen Giffords made. We've seen Gifford kind of active for sure, and he's got a head

starting on him, you know. I mean, um, obviously in three years that Gifford was making some plays early there, but he didn't have those guys at all in front of him either. Let's see what happens when the lights come on. I think he's gonna get a chance to play a lot in prese I think that's the thing. He's gonna get live action reps and and we'll have to play a lot of special teams, if I had

to guess. And so, you know, speaking of Gifford, nobody was talking about him until he played in a preseason game a couple of years ago, had an interception. Every you know, let the lit the fan base on fire. So I'm just I'm not ready to bury him. But it's been below what you thought, given everybody thought he was a much higher draft grade. Yeah, I would have thought you'd see some flashes because as you say, he's

been buried a little bit down the depth trap. But that also means he's playing out there against lesser quality talent, and that's where you thought maybe he would flash a little bit more. And I really haven't seen a lot of flash plays for him. Let's talk about Simi Fehoko wide receiver, um at this being the draft nerd that I am like that. I mean, I thought you'll say it. Let's just say that the next two And I thought

you were talking about ball in there. Okay, is that what you were saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, I didn't know. It's been below for Ball, he's got ankle injury with Yeah, I though you're saying below for both of them, So it's kind of it's kind of similar, Like you know, people, the thing on Ball was like he'd be a much higher draft pick without the domestic violence. It hasn't looked like that. It didn't look like it in the spring. It hasn't looked like it out here. Um, he's hurt

right now, so it's below Simi. The thing is like fifth, fifth round pick. You're you're like, oh, any same thing. You're like, anything you get from him is gravy. But go ahead, No, no, I'm laughing. He keep going, keep going. He's six to four and runs a four four. He's big on TikTok. He's got a TikTok. He's Will mcclay's pet cat, Like that's the guy. He was like, yeah, if you if you want me to, I'm I love all my guys, but like Simmy was a guy I

was excited about. And so everybody builds these expectations like we got it, we got the next got the next day, three steal Um, So I don't. He hasn't been that good that everybody's made some no he has looked good out here, but I think he's probably right where you where he should be as opposed. You know, at one point in the spring, people were like, this guy should have been a top fifty pill Like, no, calm down,

change the question. Not when he was drafted. How about heading into camp after we've because heading into camp, we were like this camp right here, we were like, this guy, he hasn't done anything of the Sunday he's done more out here. And and I remember writing a note or something about that because I was looking at his career. He had a decent career at Stanford and he was

doing okay. Then he plays it. You see LA's last game. Yeah, sixteen catches, two thirty I think two or three touchdowns, about an hour from here, and I'm like, well, maybe maybe he's a southern California guy. You know. Then he comes out in the first couple of days of practice and he's looking pretty good. He's kind of tapered off a little bit. Uh. It'll be interesting to see what happens because he's a draft pick. But I don't think

he's been better than the league turner. I don't even think he's been better than O Cyrus Mitchell number fourteen. A lot of those guys have had good cans that. But that's the fun thing about the games is there's these guys are so easy to notice because the ball goes through the air and you get you get to run thirty reps per practice, even though even the second and third string guys get a ton of reps, especially with a Marian gallop out. While on Thursday, you're gonna

get targeted three times. Yeah, and maybe one of them is more than five or six yards down the field, so you better make the most of it. Yep, that's exactly right. All right, let's talk about future Hall of Famer Quintin Bohanna Abo. I might owe you an apology. He's not he's knocking to start. He's not at all of ye, he's not. He's not gonna start either. That's you don't think, no, at least not snap probably not probably. But he looks really good. I like him. He doesn't.

He does not get moved easily. Can y'all still hear me? I feel like I cut out So he doesn't get moved easily. He's he's a hoss and he moves people, and he he penetrates. Will you know that's not his m O. He's a trash can full of dirt right, Well, he gets into the backfield better than I would expect a trash can full of dirt too. I like the

way he goes kind of laterally too. It's a good it was a good thirty pounds that he lost, you know, because at three fifty he was just a different guy there and and but now he's like a three twenty five, three thirty and he's still, like to Dave's point, doesn't

get moved. But he's a lot more probably more agile um and I think he's gonna be I think it's gonna be interesting with him as well, because it's not like Nashan Ride or somebody where you know, you draft him and you know, maybe the next guy on your list here or that a guy that could probably make the team, but maybe inactive. I mean, if Bohanna's on the team, you need to use him because nobody else

can do what he does. So it'll be it'll be interesting to see if he is a guy that it makes the He's gonna make the team, I believe, I think says he does. He make the forty six game day roster, because what good is he going to be inactive if he's just sitting over there with with a with a four X. I think so much that depends on what's happening with Tristan Hill. Yeah, if Tristan Hill is a six week pop guy, then didn't I think there's a good chance Bohanna's gonna be Let's say he is.

Who are your defensive tackles in the game like week one, I think you already talked about Gallimore, Neville Gallimore, Brent Urban, Carlos Watkins, Quentin Bohannah. Yeah, wait, who am I forgetting? Oh? Oh yeah, so I think but but I think Urban. I think Urban's kind of a guy you have to think about as kind of an in slash tackle, like

their moving him around. He's playing both. So on game day, I don't know if you necessarily, like I think they're gonna have four defense, Yeah, nine active, you could probably gonna have four. He's he's a Tyrone Crawford. You're gonna have four that a defensive tackles. You're probably gonna have four defensive end. You're gonna have Urban that can pop one. Watkins is the same way. By the way he's done five technique law Gregory Doran's arms and um and probably

bash him Basha. Chauncey can be a Chauncey seems like a game day and active. Yeah, Chauncey's the guy that he's gonna have to work his way in which not to get ahead of ourselves. But do you remember last year on cutdown day like or cutdown weekend? I should say how like tricky they got with it. You know, they they cut a couple guys knowing they would. You know, CJ got cut for like eighteen hours. Remember they're gonna do that. They're gonna have to do stuff like that

again this year. I think they're gonna get They're gonna get weird to make sure they accommodate all these guys. You cut, you cut a guy, oh, because what happens is you'll have an injured player that you have to get have to be on the final roster. On the roster, so you cut, you cut a veteran player, right who you know you can talk into and say, listen, don't don't sign. You can't get claimed because you're a veteran.

Don't sign with anyone else signed with US. I just pure hunch on my part, But I wonder if we see something like that with Tristan if he's not ready, and like keep him on the roster and stash him until later and cut a guy and all that fun stuff, so it'll be good. Could Gholston be that's what's his injury again? Hamstring? That shouldn't be that bad. You wouldn't think I would have thought we would have seen him at this point. Yeah, obviously, all right, real quick, Israel above. Yeah,

he's been pretty good. These these late round guys have been impressive, and you know, like we don't have the tape, so who knows what all he I'm sure he's messed up plenty of things playing back there, but he's long. I think we talked about him at the end of the other show, Like he gets to the football, he's had a couple of picks, he's broken up some passes. Uh, he just he seems like he flashes and I kind of,

you know, I get. I don't want to say I wrote him off, but I was like, Okay, he was a cornerback, but he's already moving to safety before he even gets here. Like that doesn't I don't know how promising that is, but made an impression on his teammates. I don't know if that's good. That was like funny. He was one of the guys that for those that don't know, you gotta go back and watch the video

if you have him. But he was one of the guys that was pointed out by a few players as the guy that on the team that they would not allow to date their sister on national sister's days. Da Dak and Randy had the best answers to that question. Dak was like nobody half the team. Randy was like none of these guys none. It was like smart, very smart, not at all. I don't know what what I don't know what Israel or CJ or Diggs Digs. Yeah, they they were like, yeah, I think a few people are

kind of like that. I think the Vikings also had that. And his brother was that award. Yeah, like those Diggs boys. I don't know Hairphone, No, he's he's uh. Israel has been above because I don't have high expectations for anybody that gets drafted after the fourth round, and so if you're doing anything, if you're doing anything, I think it's good. So Matt farnioc um. Now I don't think as as

as good. If so, I don't believe they would, you know, be putting in uh Connor Williams to try that out center. It looks messy when he plays center. He's got some snapping issues. Yeah, what about guard? I haven't noticed, and which again, seventh round pick. My expectations are the lowest of the low and so I wouldn't say he's been below my expectations. And my expectations just weren't very high.

You know, when you when you get a guy in the draft that's like, well, he's played center, he's played guard, he's played tackle. That's awesome, and he's drafted in the seventh round. Because if he was this Swiss army knife that was cutting everything every single time at every position, you're like, okay, this is this is outstanding. But it's this seems it smells like a master of all you know, or jack of all trades, master of none type of thing and that and and that's hard to do. You

can't just throw guys around all the time. Not everybody picks it up. And so it helped it ed Nebraska because hey, this guy can give any any he gets in there and he can help. But when it's time to evaluate him, he's never really great at one thing and it probably hurts him. So versatility we stay this whole time. Position flex versatility. While it might it might help you get on the team or whatever, it doesn't

always help your development. That's why what Micah Parsons to go full circle on this, That's why Micah Parsons is so impressive to move around in four spots and for this point, excel at it all right, real quick, before we end the show, I want you guys too quickly. Each one of you give me one player or position and you're going to be watching here in the Hall of Fame game and what you're looking to find out about that player or our position. Let's start with you,

daveon Ah. This is cheating because it's so easy. But I'm excited for the news. I'm really excited. I'm so serious too, Like I'm not being sarcastic. I think the poor guy, like the guy didn't have a preseason, he didn't get to do any of this last year. Hey, congratulations, and you're the starting quarterback because everybody else is dead. Go fight off Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham please on National TV. So now he like this is the environment

he belongs in. Probably you know, he's a third string guy. He's gonna get to go against third string guys. By the way, He's from Pittsburgh, so I'm sure a whole bunch of people he knows are gonna make you drive over there. Yeah, against his childhood team by the way. Um, so that's really exciting. This is something that he should have gotten to do last year, and I hope he you know, I think he'll probably look better going against the lower level of talent, So that'll be fun. Nick

god Man, I mean, I go all over the place here. Um, you know, what I'm trying to find out is what can we take from this game? So what position are we gonna be able to see something and make a you know, make a real impression. I'll say the defensive tackle, defensive line there I want to see because those guys, I mean, they're gonna get in there. I want to see, uh Digizu. I want to see hopefully Galla Moore will

play some you know, really that whole front seven. You know, you could say Mike and all that, but just just kind of how they rotate. I guess. I guess to give you a real answer, I want to see how they kind of line up. I want to see the line up, Quinn, what does he do again? You gotta be vanilla. They're not gonna be, but I just kind

of want to see what it looks like. Even vanilla would be nice, though, because like it's so hard to get a read on what they're trying to do here and by you know, if we tried to break it down too much, they'd freak out on us. Yeah, so they're gonna be on National TV Thursday. You can't completely

hide it. So at the very least, it'll be nice to be like, all right on second and eight, Urban was out at five Technique and this guy was doing that and like you just kind of have an idea of the shape, because I know that sounds dumb, but

I don't feel like I have that right now. And usually in camps you see like predominantly first teams out there, you see, this guy's gonna always line up here, this guy's gonna always like that is It's not It is so different from that in this camp, more than any other camp I've ever been been a part of, or watched up close and personal. Yeah, and I'll say this to you know, it's not just rookies that are going to get out here and play their first time there.

I bet you you've got ten to twelve guys that have never played a preseason game before, Guys that have played a lot of Terrence Steele's played, Nucci has played, these guys have played, Reggie Robinson has played some games they haven't played. Connor McGovern has not played a preseason game. So it's amazing. So there are a lot of guys

that haven't gotten an opportunity to play. That's terrible. I haven't got, you know, a lot of guys that's been able to play in situations where they should be able to at least compete, you know. So that's exciting. All right, we appreciate you guys joining us. Like I said, we've got a lot going on over the next few days. Make sure you check the website. We'll have schedules up to let you know when things will be happening. Make sure on Saturday you check out the live broadcast of

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