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It is Wednesday, December eighteenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, episode number eighty eight. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. We are locking thet WBC mortgage studios at the Star, presented by LGLG is the world's number one old TV brand for eleven years in counting. See why at LG dot com Forward slash O led Evil. How's everybody doing today?

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Got a good starting, good start today.

Yeah, we got the media Christmas party today over in the Media Worker.

Y'all have a media Christmas part?

Yeah we do, Yeah, we do. You gotta come up, come say what's up? What time it's going to be? Right after locker rooms? Right for we're doing with this show.

I got a presentation, I got things to do.

Is it like a white elephant? Christmas thing or it's just.

Like show up, bring whatever, and wear an ugly Christmas sweater. Mine's in the studio.

I got you.

It's not actually this that I think.

Want assault, but I'm just like what we talk about.

When I put it on, I was like, this could qualify. But I do have one in the.

Podcast actually dressed up as Dave exactly. Yes, that works, it works, Although I do I do think y'all favorite each other a little bit with the beer. Well.

I had gone to a Dodger game with him over during training camp and it was the first time we were able to really meet, and it was like third inning and we were already like understanding why everyone was linking us together. I was like, you know what, I see it and.

It's the first everything like it's it's everything, it really is. All right, let's let's jump in. I want to start for we were gonna get to the Bucks today and talk about their offense versus the Cowboys defense. But before we get there, I want to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence. I think we all thought that by maybe as early as last weekend, maybe at the latest this weekend, he would be playing again. And it doesn't seem like that's going to happen. What are you guys hearing about him?

This is one of those Derek, I really just don't know. But he is running out of time, like you said, I mean, after this, he's not gonna go this week. Mike McCarthy already said it. He's not gonna even touch the practice field this week. So that really only leaves two more games where he could potentially return. I mean, it was a serious injury that he suffered back in

I don't want to speculate, but I mean I've tried to reach out and ask and see hopefully we'll get an answer on that, because I know, walking to our responsibilities here, I've seen him on the field, just walking.

I mean I just walked.

I just looked out and I recognize him, and he's working with Britt Brown and he's cutting and he's moving and he's and I'm kind of in my mind, I'm like, Okay, this is encouraging him and brit are out there working really really hard to get back, and you know, you saw, like, you know, the explosiveness to get off the plant to turn and I'm like, oh, okay, there must have been a setback here.

There must have been something that.

Happened, because it to me that it just looked so positive, you know, And that's just me like my days of watching practice and watching guys work out and thinking like, oh, that guy doesn't look ready, you know, he's still kind of limping around, or but man, it was it was really really kind of encouraging, and I just worry that maybe something happened that they were going to workout one day and then you know.

And it and it does happen.

I mean, they they they work hard, and then all of a sudden, you know, it's that day is not very good. And so I'm I'm just trying to find that out and hopefully today, by the time we end this thing, I'll figure that out for you. Because I didn't I I meant to do that. I meant to ask and I haven't asked. A couple of people that I know can maybe help me on that.

For everybody, do not google image list frank injuries. These are disgusting. Sorry, I just wanted to make sure that no one else googles what I'm googling right now. It's terrifying. I will not be going.

But I think it's one of those things that, yeah, you can always speculate a timeline.

In anything that you go through, and.

Then as you start approaching that timeline, it may not look like you're actually ready for it. When you talk about things like that, it's it. No one can accelerate certain things in your body to fully heal. And like you said, Brian, I have watched him training out there with Britt Brown and everything. He's doing what he's supposed to do. He's showing up to do the rehab necessary and everything. So maybe there was something like you mentioned

And time just flies by.

It's insane. But yeah, that's another big name heading to free agency.

Well, you know when you when you mentioned it from that perspective, I actually look at it. I'm like, if if the Cowboys were in a position where the playoffs were more realistic, because obviously they still have a one percent chance, so there's still a chance, but if it were more realistic, if it were more realistic, I would probably be like, Okay, got to get him back. You got to get Hi back as quickly as possible, because

Questions, yesterday, here.

We go, it's yesterday.

Is you know we've seen all we need to see. There's nothing he's going to do in three games that's going to change an opinion in this building about who he is, what he represents, or whether there should be a new deal. Those things have already been at least what you've seen, that part has already been decided. They'll ultimately have to make a decision on what the money looks like. How much they want to have him back,

I mean, if you're looking at it from this isn't really a bright side just because like a DeMarcus Lawrence loses out in this scenario. But by him not playing these final fourteen weeks, his price is going to be a little bit lower going into going into free agencies. So you know, if you're looking at it from front office perspective, maybe that opens the door for the potentiality of a return.

But but you don't think other teams are kind of like we know who he is, or do you think that they would know who he seared off?

They would be.

Geared off by the injury itself and him not coming back. Is that what you're saying.

Yeah, I'm just saying, especially at that age, an injury like that, I'm sure it could give some teams some pause and potentially could lower his market value, but I think still at the end of the day, this is going to be a contract that the Cowboys can't afford. See, I will think that they knew that, and that's why that they drafted Marshawn neland last year in the second round, I.

Kind of wanted to in my mind, I was putting him in the same category as Tyrone Smith.

But that's not accurate.

That's not accurate because he's had years where he's played sixteen, sixteen of sixteen, sixteen of fifteen of sixteen, sixteen of six ten, fifteen of sixteen, Yeah, the one year.

He's maybe these he also right, Basically he's played a lot a lot of time.

Yeah, I played a lot of games.

Yeah, but then you have games where he's played then like in twenty twenty one it was seven of seven, and then it was seventeen of seventeen, seventeen of seventeen, four of four, yeah, you know, and then so it's not like if you're thinking of like Tyron Smith, because in the past we've always thought about, oh, yeah, it'd be great to have Tyron you know, Tyron Smith, but he's always hurt and I can't put Tank in that category because when he's been healthy, he's been able to

I think the other part to that too is specifically really you know, talking about Tyron Smith. I think it was clear watching him play this year at the made the right decision. I still think Tank has a lot more football in him. I don't think he's at the end of his career just yet. This reminds me more of DeMarcus Ware when DeMarcus Ware left and a team

I agree with I totally agree with Nick. I think they drafted Neilan to be the guy. I think that's that's where they were going with that.

All right, we're going to take our first break when we come back. We're going to introduce this Tampa Bay Club and then dive into their offense. Man, a lot of really scary stuff. If you're on the Cowboys side of this, things to think about players you'll have to be aware of. We'll do all that when we come back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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Second segment of The Break live from SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. It is time to meet the Bucks. So here's what we know about them. They are coached by Todd Bowles, who actually, ironically for those that were around or remember, he was a former defense back coach with the with the Cowboys back and try.

To get me fired.

I was actually gonna ask you, do you have any you got any interest Todd Bowles.

Yeah, he was a scout with the Packers. Oh yeah, Todd Bowles was a player at the with the Washington Commanders and he had a he had a health club in Alexandria, Virginia, which was very, very very successful. I mean he that was his first business when he was

They're going to fire you and me both if you don't do it.

It's not just about you.

And Todd's got the most laid back personality ever.

Okay, man, all right, I'm like, no, you don't know. Stand we're gonna get fired. You and I on the street, and you know, he's probably thinking, I'm going back to the health club.

Me, I'm a young guy, Like what am I gonna do?

Yeah?

I made money ball, I got this.

He hit a couple of schools and you know, and and.

You know, and he went he he he went from scouting to getting into coaching. It literally drove him into another avenue of and then he becomes and then he becomes a head coach. And I'm like, this guy, what the health club?

But that's that's the Todd ball.

I mean literally, he went from being like working with us as a scout in Green Bay.

And I mean it was he just his his demeanor is just that of it's it's you see him on the sideline. Oh, he's very very nothing bothers him. He's just very Okay, man, it's cool. We'll get it done. Don't worry about it, you know. I'm like, no, no, you don't understand. We have to turn in reports.

You have to go to Virginia Tech, you have to go to Penn State, you have to go to these schools.

We need those reports. All right, man, don't worry about it. We'll get it done. I'm like, Okay, then he get done.

Rock kept his job for another couple of years.

Yeah, it was like we had to.

We scrambled, you know, we scrambled. I was pretty close to flying to Virginia. And this is really before you had like you know, you had the way to communicate today with the cell phones and stuff like that. I mean, you really couldn't find your scouts all that well. And I almost went to some schools that he was supposed to be at just to make sure he was there.

I almost got on a plane and flew to that the Atlantic coast area, and.

Just to see if he was scouting the schools, just to walk him to the schools. Hey, man, this is North Carolina. Beautiful place, isn't it.

Oh, this is Duke. They're really smart here. Hey we can go here and watch Tate and write reports, you know. And I didn't have to do that, but man, that was it was a nightmare.

Maybe what he figured is gouting aim for me coaching I can do.

He did, and he and Parcells took a liking to him.

Yeah he did.

And that's and that's how Todd Bowles got to where Todd Bowles is.

He's a good guy too.

He's a really good guy. If you just like being like, man, don't worry about it.

He's very chill.

He's very chill. He's good. We're good here. Why why he's so upset? And I'm like, because we're going to lose our jobs. That's why I'm upset. I can't afford to lose his job. And he goes, Okay, we'll get it done.

Ryan hare on fire. Todd just like if I ran.

Him right now, he would be he wouldn't remember anything I just said. I mean, he would be like you I did that? Yeah, you know, but he here, he is his coach, man, defensive coordinator, all that stuff. I mean, but Bill Parcells. Everybody in life needs a sponsor. Bill Parcells was his sponsor. I got him a gig and into coaching.

No doubt, and he has led this team now to an eight and six record. They are right now first place in the NFC South. After losing some some parts as the season is gone along, they've kind of been able to keep it together. They are currently on a four game win streak. I mean they won at the Chargers last week, put up forty points against them, beat Las Vegas the week before that, and beat a Carolina team the week before that in overtime, and then beat

It's a really good team. Yeah, it's better than an eight and six record, and I know eight and six is a good record, but this is a really good team. You look at these first ten opponents that they faced in the first ten weeks, only one of them is not currently in the playoff picture, and it was a win against New Orleans. They won by twenty four. They're one of two teams to beat Detroit. They did that on the road. They're one of two teams to beat Philadelphia.

Yeah, they've got Mike Evans healthy now and he's been lighting it up the last four weeks the way he's playing, and then you know, also to give the tip of the cap to Baker Mayfield. I mean, you could say a lot of things about Baker Mayfield, but he finds a way to make it happen. The line has done a good job with some of the blocking that they've

I think when they traded back back.

That they lost him when they traded back. Yeah, that's okay, that was the story.

But yeah, overall though, you know, Mike Evans is finally, you know, healthy, he's on his pace for another thousand yard season, even though he's missing games. But they they're they're offensively, they present a lot of problems for you.

Let's dive a little deeper into this offense. They are right now third in total offense in the NFL, the fourth and point scored. Uh, they are also fourth pass offense. When you look at that. Baker Mayfield obviously as at the epicenter of their success. He right now has two and fifty eight yard per game through the air, thirty two touchdowns, only fourteen interceptions, a one oh four point one rating. Really really great season right now for Baker.

I think he does make mistakes and you have to be able to take advantage of those. You look at the turnovers that is a little high whenever you compare it to the rest of the league. When he makes those stakes, you's got to be able to take advantage of it. You're looking at this defense and it has improved in the takeaway category in the last few weeks on the Cowboys defense, but they got to really be able to take advantage of these mistakes whenever he does make them.

Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with Mike Evans not being healthy. I think in some of those games you're mentioned, and they're a little bit of a different offense that way without him on the on the field.

Uh.

But to me that when I was watching it, and I always like to go back and watch how teams pressure them, Denver really got after his ass, and I mean, and then they got after him in a way that that it would encourage if I was Mike Zimmer and I'm watching the game on the tape, which I'm sure he did. Denver's got some dynamic rushers and they've got the ability they The thing that I've noticed with this guy with Baker, is that if you make their running backs have to play now, they'll throw the ball.

These running backs. That's that's going to be an issue.

Here, the ball going up against Cincinnati. Yeah.

Yeah, Irving and White, I think between him they might have missed four passes in eighties. I mean, it's it's it's incredible the number of passes that their backs get. The ball is going to go short and it's gonna get out quick. But what Denver was able to do was I saw a secondary pressure and I saw like when teams play wide, and I mean wide, I mean alignment. When they play wide against them, you can get these offensive linemen to tilt a little bit and kind of

Blockers a problem.

But Bucky, Irving and and White, the running back when they've had to play in blitz pickups or they've had to block and help.

It's been a problem. It's been a real, real problem. But this quarterback is not going to let you.

I mean, I think he's the second fastest in the league when it comes to getting the ball out.

He's not.

But if you can make them hold secondary pressure, linebacker pressure, make the backs have to play, play a little wider with your scheme, which Denver did, played a little wider with their scheme and they attacked those edges, attacked the shoulders. These linemen were playing on their toes a little bit, and I think that gave them some problems Philadelphia did. I know Philadelphia lost.

The game, but just watching how teams were.

Able to generate pressure, those were the ways they were able to do it. And I think not having Mike Evans and some of those games didn't really help the buck situation all that well.

Kind of build on that point, just talking about the last three games, which have been wins for Sampa Bay. But looking at these last three games, Baker has thrown five interceptions, he's fumbled three times, and it's as a result of him being sacked nine times. The pressure has been on them.

So where the weak links is you look at this offensive line, where are the weak links on this offensive line?

It was they were not playing with the right tackle.

I'm looking at left guard.

You're looking at left guard.

Yeah, yeah, they I think to me with with Reretterson, is that who you're thinking is yeah, okay, I Kodeki?

Is that Luke Kadeki that.

They he's he when he was out at right tackle they were playing with justin school. Justin School is a backup that's given up seven and a half sacks, like like you watched the Detroit game like it was when School was in there.

He was getting worked by Hutchinson. You know.

So they they've they've had some they've had some problems there. But I kind of feel like though, because but Kadecki he's played since he's been back, that hasn't been a problem at the right tackle. But when they had a backup in there, that was a big problem. But Bretterson I think was I think that Bretterson was a little bit of a liability. But I was just thinking it's a line that it felt like has played better because they kind of they they they've not missed a lot

But when their right tackle was out, that.

Was huge for them. So I like what Nick's talking about. I was kind of thinking that the right guard was a problem, uh with this this group, and then also it's going to happen, it would be at the guards. Tristan Wurf's has had some problems too with with some of the snaps that he's had that I was watching some of the pressure coming off him, people kind of

Guys that was involved in that.

Him and Jordan my lot of are my favorite left tackles to watch in the entire NFL, just because of how athletic they are. They can get after it and they push guys through, They get out and get out in space game. He's fun. He's a fun left tackle.

All right, we're going to take our final break. We will come. We got more on this Tampa Bay offense and how they'll match up against Dallas. We'll be back Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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So good at that Welcome back by final segment of the break clap from this WBC Mortgage Studios at the star Let's Jump Backy in Tampa Bay office versus Dallas defense. Mike Evans, you mentioned him. He leads Tampa Bay and receiving yards with seven hundred and forty nine k DOT and he leads the Tampa band receptions of fifty nine. By the way, this segment brought to you by blockchain dot Com, Chris. And so, how does Dallas matchup specifically with those two players, Mike Evans and Ka Doot.

Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating cover just because you have to account for what's coming out of the backfield too. You're gonna have a lot of resources spread across the field and a lot of one on one matchups. They try to isolate guys in one on one coverage and that's how Mike Evans is able to take advantage of it, and that's how he was able to take advantage of

In my eyes, yeah, this to me is I don't know about starting AO in this game, and I know they're there.

I'm here kind of thing.

Who are you starting?

I'm playing mcwama when the outside and playing Lewis and talk about length and you know what I'm doing, and you know what I'm doing, And if I have to, I'm gonna mix it up. I'm gonna put Lewis on the outside and I'm put MCWAMU. Evans plays on the outside almost seventy percent of the time if you look at the metrics on that, He's only goes in the slot roughly thirty percent of the time. If you tell me I could put Bland and Lewis on Evans. I'll take my chances. I don't know if I want to

He's going to go high point the ball.

You've got to be able to match his physicality, and you've got to match his length. And so I know putting Lewis on him might be a little bit of a nightmare. Traveling, I totally I don't have a problem with the traveling. They'll always tell you that if you travel, it messes up everybody else. You know, it messes everybody

It's gonna be switching Lewis and Mkuamu.

One play slot, one play out, one play the slot, one play out, you know, just kind of mix it up in there. Don't don't let him get an idea of how you're playing. I think you almost have to treat Kate Otten too to tie it in like a wide receiver because of his ability to make plays down the field.

You mentioned Jalen McMillan. This is a guy that I think fans should definitely be aware of whenever he's on the field. Whenever Mike Evans and Chris Godwin went down midway through the season in October, so they tried to throw that wide receiver one responsibility on him. He didn't really answer to it. He's a rookie out of Washington. When we talked about him a lot in the draft show last year, he was one of those three receivers I got drafted out of Washington last year. But he

Yeah, pretty good balance between the passing game and the running game, Like they have good players from both where they can if something's not working, they can just go and use the other one. So it's gonna be And like you mentioned that game Derek against Cincinnati, I mean, we saw what a running back can do there touch.

Yeah.

Yeah, and that's one area that you definitely have to be concerned. But also on the positive side, you have seen the Cowboys being able to kind of control that area and improve in the running defense.

Yeah.

No, absolutely, And if I can circle back on McMillan, five of you know, he's had forty targets this year, five of them have been the resulted in interceptions.

He is the one.

He's Baker Mayfield has thrown him the ball. He's the one receiver that has given up like or what given up or been a part of targets to him. Five of them have been interceptions out of forty targets. So it's been a little bit of struggle, but a little bit of improvement here.

The last couple of weeks. But to your point, though, if.

Dallas doesn't deal with if Dallas doesn't deal with Irvin and White catching the football, this could be a long day for them because that that that that they're going to throw the ball to these dudes They're one of those teams that they like to throw the Baker mayfield he throws. He throws a lot of short passes. I mean it's a lot of short passes and then run a lot of rack for these guys, and they like

You know, I love me some Bucky Irvin.

Brian, I know you do. You're right about him, man.

He's been so much fun to watch. He's a physical runner despite his stature. He's only five foot nine, but his field vision. I think walking into the league year one and seeing what he's been able to do, I put his field vision top three in the league. It's it's that good. He just his eyes on the back of his head. He's really talented, really talented.

All right, Let's tell a couple of player evaluations. There were some players on the Cowboys defense and we didn't get a chance to talk much about in the post game of their last game, but I want to throw their names out and you guys tell me what you think, what you saw from them last week and then obviously projecting into this. So let's start with Israel mcuama, who you mentioned that Brian, you said you'd probably play him more this week at cornerback. What did you see from him last week?

I think that with with is He, you're gonna you're going to get there's some flexibility because he played some safety too. If you remember Hooker, Hooker had a foot problem. I thought Hooker got stepped on. When you watch the tape, you're like, did he gets stepped on? And then they came back and he had tape on his over his shoes. So I mean, obviously it's an ankle problem or foot problem, something that he was dealing with.

But the thing.

About is he is I think is he is going to always be super competitive.

I think he's going to be He's going to.

Be aware of what's happening around him and to me, when I watch him play. There was a time where I was kind of nervous about putting him out there, but I'm not anymore. I'm not I used to think, like, gosh, he's going to do something's crazy and he's not gonna he's gonna buy, but he's usually generally locked into what's going on. The link is impressive. The ability to carry guys is impressive. The ability to go get the football, and we saw it with the interceptions and stuff like that.

He's played one hundred and twenty three covered snaps. He's only allowed eight receptions for eighty nine yards on the year. Granted, he's been he's been kind of managed a lot in different areas as well, and so those numbers might be a little bit skewed, but he has been good in coverage from what I've seen, the link is there. The strides really make up ground in a in a fast manner. I like his role mcwamo to start playing a little bit more as in these next three games.

Yeah, talk to me about Donovan Lewis.

Donovan Lewis, I was just curious which one you wanted there. Donovan Wilson, Hey, I'll take a combination. Yeah, combination. I think I think with Donovan Wilson you started to see him kind of find his stride again in the last few weeks. I will say that because in the beginning of the season, I'll be honest with you guys, and

Yeah, the coverage part of it.

They figured out that we're not going to after that San Francisco game. They're like, listen, we can't put him in coverage anymore. And so all of a sudden, it's like, here we are. We're going to adapt you. We're gonna make you this situational blitzer. We're gonna let you play around the line of scrimmage a little more. You go back and watch the tape with Dan Quinn. What was

Did you guys notice? And I didn't see any final stats on play count play snap counts, but it seemed to me like they were kind of mixing he and mcwonmalall early in the game a lot more like he was off the field with mcameal on. Did you guys see the same thing or was that just kind of, you know, a few plays the.

Thing with Hooker getting hurt, I mean, was.

Still on the field. It was Hooker and mcamal and then it would be Hooker and Lewis Lewis Wilson. And I don't it just I hadn't. I didn't track at the whole game, and I didn't see any snap counts after the game. They didn't give us that in our packet that we got from from from the PR team. But but I just wondered if if that was a situation where they were playing mcqualma more and that meant less snaps for Wilson.

I mean, Wilson did play his second least snaps of the season against Carolina, so and technically Isral mcquama played fifteen snaps at safety, so I had something to look at for sure. I did notice mcwuama on the field though, in the first first uh, in the first quarter, and then you look around you see Ore and you see Lewis and you're like, okay.

We're soius.

So I didn't notice that as well. I guess I just kind of forgot to circle back on it. Yeah, that's an interesting point, I think. I think in that sense, maybe you just put mcuamo on the field in passing downs and passing situations unless you're using Wilson as a situational blutzer.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it was.

Yeah, Amani or Owaria, what did you see from last week?

I'm not, I'm not. I just don't. I'm not going there anymore.

You're done.

It's it's it's tough to identify because of the block punt thing and all that. I'm just no, I just feel like that man I could play with. I could play with Izzy, I could play if Jordan Lewis has proven to me that he could play on the outside. Again, I haven't seen that since Michigan. Yeah, you know, and if you you give me a guy that can carry, a guy that's gonna be tough guy, it's gonna play routes inside guy, it's gonna tackle. Give me that guy.

You can't have that. You can't have that. I don't know him, Hooker, somebody. They did not get that message so to me.

And I know that he's he's had some moments where but I just it's it's it's it's not.

Worth it to me anymore. It's just not.

When I know that I have other guys that I could feel like that, I can think I can lean on a little bit harder and then they won't they won't have problems out there.

The amani Or Warrior Brian brought us apology game coming on Sunday night.

You think so, I don't know, Yeah, I'll be happy I'm wrong.

That's the it's still for me to identify what exactly happened on that eighty three yarder, and that's that's it's something you can't even ask the players either because they're not gonna throw another guy under the bus. But it's it's, yeah, but they do know, someone knows they didn't communicate side that they and that is that was one hundred percent true.

Situation.

Was a situation where Hooker was trying to communicate an oral Warrea wasn't even looking or was a situation where or Warrier was looking over and Hooker didn't communicate anything. So it's like it's it's tough to identify what exactly happened, but you take that play, let's take that play out of out of the equation. I mean, this secondary played really well on Sunday, and it's it's if you would be trying to harp on anybody, I think it would be a little bit of nitpicking from from uh aside

Yeah, Okay, but you're okay, You're you're gonna comfortable in this game having Ao cover Evans.

No, absolutely not, okay.

I just want to make sure I wasn't.

Nick.

No, no, I think you would be to try to find any negatives in the Carolina game aside from the eighty three yarder. Like if if we're taking away the eighty three yarder, I think it would be.

I've taken it. I have taken it out.

I just feel like that I have better better cover guys without him being able.

It's less about him and more about the fact they're just guys that are better.

I think they're guys that are better. That's just I agree with you. I agree with all Right, that's a wrapping. Tomorrow play.

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