Cowboys Break: Backup Plan?

The Break. We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We are presented by Geico. I got Nick in here with me, I got Amber in here with me. David's still remote, so he probably feels a little left out, but it's it's feeling a little more like like normal, having all three of us together and being able to talk a little Cowboys football. Here for a little bit of time with you guys today.

Today we're gonna focus in on the offense. We're gonna do a series here and over the next few shows, we're gonna dive in a little deeper on each position. Today, starting with the offense, we'll get to the defense and a future show. But we'll go through each of the positions. I have two or three questions in each category that we all will discuss and see what our thoughts are on this offense and where it stands and how the Cowboys move forward going into twenty twenty two. How's everybody

doing today? Good? We're good, and we're good. Awesome. Okay, so let's jump in. And as I looked at the offense, just to give it kind of a baseline, as bad as we thought this all was going at the moment that we saw Dak Prescott on the field at AT and T Stadium, they actually ended the season offensively right in the middle of the pack. They were fourteenth in total offense. Uh. The interesting part is they were eighth

in passing offense. They ended up with averaging two hundred sixty yards per game, which pretty good to say you had a backup quarterback in some games where you had to back up to the backup. They finished seventeenth and rushing seventeenth in points scored. This is the interesting part, and I think it's probably no surprise to any of us. They were twenty seventh in turnovers lost. That was their big akill. At least heill not just as the offense,

but as a team. Let's start first talking about the quarterback position. Now, assuming Andy Dalton's value is too high for Dallas to keep him, what do you think they should do at QB two? Keep Garrett Gilbert, develop him, look at Ben Jannucci, or go out in free agency. I'll start with you, Nick, No, I'm not doing it. I know what you're thinking. But here's why we're not Here's why we're not going there. We talked about it last show, we talked about it the show before that.

We'll probably take a whole show to talk about it coming up. But we got to talk about the other things around this quarterback position. I mean, it's just obviously it's tough. It's tough when you're when you have so many question marks at the first spot. You know, no one ever really says, let's let's let's look at the second game of this season. Yeah, and we'll worry about the first um, but we have to in this inter instance. Yeah, I mean, I think I think it was valuable to have.

I mean obviously, so I mean I'm looking at that type of quarterback. I think that that's kind of what you need. Um, I think you need to bring a veteran in here, just because because of what we saw. We saw that Dak does get hurt and he does miss games, and so when that happens, you want a veteran in there. And then let's just say that it's

Dak isn't the quarterback for whatever the reason. Even if they bring you, say the drafts and one, or they bring someone else in, I still think that veteran presence was needed there. So yeah, I would try to get Andy Dalton back if that works, or somebody like that that's had some starts. Amber that's just really tough to answer right now because you don't really know exactly what's going to happen with Dak, and then how much money

are you going to invest there? And then at that point, how much would it cost to get Andy Dalton back or a veteran guy back. But if we were to take the money aspect out of the equation and just look at it, obviously, yes, of course you want to have a guy with the experience that it's able to like. I'd be happy with Andy Dalton. I thought he did a pretty decent job given the situation. But when you

talk about Gary Gilbert, and also Bendy Nucci. It's tough because we didn't really get to see much of them, and usually, you know, we go to practice and we get to get a better idea, but this year it was just so different. Even though there was still a potion open to the media, it's still very hard to judge. The quarterbacks get out there later than the rest of the team. So it's like me, personally, I don't quite have a full idea of what these two guys could

possibly do for you. Obviously the Cowboys should have a better idea, but we'll see what happens that I'm really curious. I mean, right now, with all these other veteran guys that all this trade talking that's starting to surface recently, it's just getting really messy and it's just getting really interesting. So the Cowboys got a better have a plan and soon and start figuring out their moves and not wait to the last minute. Dave, I don't think it's hard

at all. Like, regardless of what happens with Dak, I think the Cowboys hopefully learned a valuable lesson about the benefits of having a capable backup quarterback. It's the first time they've really spent the money on one in a long time, and it paid off even better than it has in the past. In my opinion, I would certainly love to have Andy back, and honestly, it kind of works in the cowboys favor that the quarterback market looks so crazy right now. You know, there's rumors about half

a dozen big time quarterbacks getting traded. There's guys hitting free agency. So maybe Andy Dalton's market isn't as robust as we think it is. So I would certainly try to bring him back. If he's too expensive, I would look at other experience insoptions. Robert Griffin the third comes to mind. He was recently released by Baltimore Tyrod Taylor, maybe looking for a new place to stay now that Justin Herbert's the man in Los Angeles. I would absolutely

try to get somebody like that. If that doesn't work, you can always sign Garrett Gilbert on the cheap, which is something actually you don't even need to sign him, you just hold onto him. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Given this team's cap situation, the amount of money that they might have to spend on Dak, I would not be shocked if if they go forward with Garrett Gilbert because he's cheap. But I hope they don't. I hope

they go spend some money and keep somebody experienced. Although we've heard from different people on the team that Dak's recovery is on schedule and he's doing the things that he should be doing at this point because he is

coming off a really, really huge injury. Do you think Dallas should consider paying what would be I guess near market value for an Andy Dalton on a one year deal if he will willing to do it, Like, would you be willing to pay him twenty seven twenty eight for a one year deal knowing that Dak is coming off this injury and you know, not to say that this is what they've said, but let's assume that he's not quite back right and you got to start the season with someone else. Do you think it's worth it

in a season like this to maybe pay that extra money? Nick, that's a lot. I mean, you're talking about signing Dak and then that, well, you'd have to do something, like you gotta do something with Dak. You got to give him the franchise tag or you gotta pay him. I'm saying in addition, to that. Is it that important knowing

that he's coming off this injury. Is the quarterback position that important where you're saying, hey, for one year deal, we might have to eat And even if it wasn't Andy Dalton, let's assume it was one of those other guys that Dave just mentioned. Is it valuable? Is that

position so valuable? And are you would you be so concerned about where Dak is and how ready he will be at the beginning season that you say we got to go out and get a capable quarterback to give us a little more insurance in a year like this. I don't think you can do that. I don't think you have the money to do that, and I don't think you need to, because we saw that when Dak went down and Andy Dalton comes in, they're not as good.

So twenty seven million, twenty five million, whatever that number is, I mean, I don't think that's a lot of money for somebody that you know is going to be down. I think it's I think you you you know it's more about five million, you know, I mean, and that's that's the best that you that you really can probably do there. I mean, this is gonna be a tough situation. But from the cap, I mean it'll be tough for

a lot of positions. I mean they're probably they may not even keep their long time deep snapper because they can cut a salary in half. We're talking like a half a million. It's gonna be that tough with dollars and cents. So I don't really see how you can really. I mean, if you're gonna pay Dak the money, then you just have to expect that he's going to be really good and if he gets hurt, you know, it is what it is like it was last year. Yeah, Amber,

absolutely not. I mean you just cannot do that. You have so many other needs that you cannot just put all your money into the quarterback position. I mean, there are so many issues on defense, and I'm trying to get not just draft. I mean, i know we keep looking at the draft right now, but we need some veteran help on defense, and you need to go get

someone through free agency. Might not be a splashy name or like fancy name or anything, but at the same time, you have to invest through free agency a veteran guy on defense and not let it be a bust like the many free agency free agent guys that the Cowboys got last year and then you got let go how many, like three or four of them? You had to let go of them and it didn't work out for you. So no, there's absolutely no way that I see them doing that and it no no, okay, Dave, I'd straight

up don't think it's possible. Like Nick said, I mean, assuming you're somehow paying Dak Prescott, whether tag or contract. You know the cap. We all know the CAP's not going to grow, it might even shrink. We don't have the final number, but it's gonna be somewhere, like somewhere in the range of like one hundred and eighty million.

I think. So if you're talking about the going rate, like like you said, twenty five twenty eight million for a quarterback, you're sinking forty percent of your cap into one position. As I don't think it's possible, not with all the other things, not only the needs this team has, but the contracts they're already on the hook for. I

don't think you can do it. And that's kind of my point is if Andy's price is too high, then you got to go find the other Andy, Like the other quarterback that's willing to pay for play for three million dollars, because I don't think you can afford that even if you want it to. Okay, So here's another question, and this kind of got brought up. I think last week we started hearing that the Detroit Lions are looking at trading Matthew Stafford. They they're gonna mutually agree to

part ways, is the way the report's going. Is there a scenario where you would consider trading or trying to acquire a veteran like Matthew Stafford and trading Deck because I think to this point we've kind of all assumed Deck's going to be here. He will have either the franchise tag or he will have a long term deal. Is there a scenario that could make you rethink that with someone like Matthew Stafford, who you would consider to be I think most of us would consider him to

be a good quarterback in this league. Would you look at a scenario like that if you or what would that scenario be that would make you want to look at that scenario? Amber Well, I'll let Dave and Nake answer that, because I know that that has a lot to do with money in the cap and all that, and you know that's not my area of expertise, but me personally, I would try to do everything that I could to get this whole deal done. I liked I like his projection, I like the way he was going.

I don't think that the injury is necessarily going to affect his future in the way that he performs. So I think that he has a really nice future and he could happen here in Dallas. But at one point you have to are you gonna be committed? Are you going to commit or not? If not, then move go away, live your life, separate ways, and move on, you know. But it's I think that the Cowboys and Dak are at that point where it cannot be just under the

franchise stack. You have to make a commitment, and if not, then then okay, let's just figure out a future now, even if that's parting ways and moving though, but preferably stay with DAK. But with these other guys, I mean, those are great options, but again, you have to make a decision very very soon before you can't even explore those options. Dave, I'll just say this, I think the idea, I think it would be stupid. I think it would not. I don't think it would be a good idea to

trade Dak for another quarterback. I made the point on Twitter last week that Cowboy fans would hate Matt Stafford if he had put together the resume that he has right now with the Cowboys, no playoff wins, very rarely

making the playoffs. Don't come at me acting like he's never had talent because he played with Calvin Johnson, So I really don't want to hear it point, being like, there's a whole heap of evidence that says Matt Stafford is not necessarily as good as Dak Prescott, and he's on the way down in his career rather in the way up. Having said all of that, the reason that I say this is I do think the Cowboys need to make a decision about whether or not Dak is

their quarterback, like in the next eight weeks. It doesn't benefit anybody to do another Tag season like jumping his salary all the way up to thirty eight million dollars, crippling your cap. By the way, you can't keep him on the Tag next year, so you're in the same position. So you either have to sign him for what will likely be an even more absurd contract next year, or let him walk for nothing but a cop pick sounds

like a terrible idea in my opinion. So just make that decision right now, sign Dack to a long term extension or yeah, I mean, if they decide they want to deal him to Detroit, I don't. I can't even begin to imagine what that would look like. But I hope, I mean, Dak is too good to just trade him in like a player for player or trade. I would hope i'd get some compensation coming my way. I really don't like that idea at all, but I would rather.

I would rather trade Dak and just try to start this thing over with a new quarterback, then play this thing out again on the tag, because I don't think that benefits anybody. Nick, Yeah, take a pote load of money. Yeah they what's the emoji where your head's exploding like that? That's where we are. I think so, because it's tough, because you know, the timing of all this is it's like, you know, like Dave said, I mean, you need to make the decision. You know, they both said that, you know,

make this decision sooner than later. But you know, I think you're gonna try to get this thing done. You try to get it done before you have to tag him. But if they don't get it done and you do tag him, then then what then that's when who's available? You know, what are some of these guys that you wanted to maybe get I mean, are they are they still going to be available? Do you throw your hat in the ring for free agency? Do you start trading him?

I mean, there's just so many, so many options. I mean, my preference would be to try to get to sign him, but you know, I do get annoyed with the people, and you see a lot in the media they're like, like the Cowboys are just not signing him, like they just don't want to sign him, Like what are they waiting for? Type of stuff, when in reality, it's just two sides to this, And you know, it's it's kind of funny with that this whole fourth year, fifth year

thing has been a deal for two years. I mean, you know two years ago that that kind of chance to sign a deal for thirty five million for he could have done it for five years, but he wanted the four. Now here we are he would be he'd have three years left on that thing. If he would have done that, you know, and gotten a lot more money out of it. So I get it that he's trying to you know, it's it's a pride thing, and you're trying to be you know, up there high bitum.

If I'm talking in circles, it's because I am. I'm getting dizzy just trying to figure this whole thing out. I don't know. I mean, it's cowboys had to come to, you know, down towards Dak. They realize they can't win without him, and Dad should realize, Yeah, but you get hurt. You get hurt sometimes, and well, but I don't I don't know if that's that's I look at Dak. He should I don't look at him as a guy that gets hurt like that. That was a one time thing.

He's been very, very healthy before that. So it again, and see what happens on the tag? What happens if it happens again on the tag? Well, here's the deal. If he's on the tag, it's beside the point anyway, because he's gonna be a free agent next yeah, right, And so you basically at that point got a market value that and you're competing. Here's a question for everybody. Then, that being said, would you rather a guy like would you rather have Dak Prescott for one year? A disgruntled

Dak for one year? I mean, I don't think Dak would be disgruntled, to be honest with you, would be He would be a free agent after this year, so I think he probably looked at that assist. Okay, great, give me thirty eight for this year and I'll see what happens. What kind of team leader do you have when you know he's out the door, you know he's out the door. I think Dak. I think Dak and the kind of person he is, I think he will still be a great leader. There's nothing I've seen in

dat that suggests me any any otherwise. Okay, you got Dak for one year, or you or you have a Matthew Stafford or somebody for two years. What would you rather have? Yeah, that's that, and then I'd rather have does Scott, I'd rather have I'd rather have Dak be my quarterback. But that's my point is like that doesn't that does nothing for me? Like you can guarantee me they're gonna unless you can guarantee me they're gonna win

the super Bowl. It's it's a waste of time. And that's like, I want Dak to be the quarterback of this team. But if you're telling me we're heading for another tag year and then free agency after that, then just rip the band aid off and do the deal. Honestly, and like I said, I think it would be a stupid decision, but at least you have long term clarity. Yeah, I agree with that, And I look at a guy

like Stafford, I agree with Dave. I don't think Stafford is I don't personally think he's as good as Dak. I think Dak adds a third dimension that he doesn't have. Um. But I will say this, if you're telling me I'm only gonna get Dak for a year, um, then the way I look at that is give me a guy that I know is at least capable, which I think

Matthew Stafford is capable. And I disagree with Dave a little bit on the talent he's played when yes, he's played one of the greatest receivers of all time, but you start getting below that. They are on a lot of guys you will mentioned that'll be like, oh, yeah, he had a really great guy and this guy and this guy and this guy Stafford, right, and you look at this Cowboys offense. They got some talent. They got a lot of skill position talent. So I think it's

a little bit of a different situation. And I think you could probably edit his age. I think he's thirty three. You could probably expect you could get a few years out of him and playing at a pretty good level. So if you're telling me I can only have Dak for one year, I'm kind of with dave Man. Tear the band aid off and give me at least a guy for the next few years, and let me start figuring out what I'm gonna do beyond that and start

seeing if I can develop someone. Maybe I gotta go draft somebody this year, Like I would just want to know right now, you know, before it gets into the franchise, tach. I want to know right now what I need to do a quarterback. That's the weird thing about goes all the way back to Andy Dalton situation. Let's say the Dack thing isn't gonna happen. He's gonna be on the tag, He's not gonna be here. Now you got to figure out what you're gonna do. You don't know. If the

free agency, you know, say Stafford's not available or whatever. Now, maybe you do draft the guy number ten or trade up or whatever for seven eight and get one of these three really good quarterbacks. That's when you call Andy Dalton back and go whoa, whoa wait wait wait, pay you three year deal to be that. You know, and that sucks. I hate that guy. I mean, I know, I hate the guy. I hate it for the guy. I hate it for the guy. I hate it for Tyrod Taylor when he sits there and holds the bag

and waits for this guy to get ready. Fitzpatrick's been doing it for his whole career. You know, John Kitten and did it a little bit too. I hate it for them, but you know they get paid. So yeah, and that's part of it when you get to that age in this league is you're gonna be a bridge guy in a lot of instances because people want to have steady play at the quarterback position until they get a guy ready to be their long term future. We didn't figure out that position, by the way, we didn't

figure out anything. And this last talk and there's nothing to figure out, and you know, again, the dominoes have to start with what are you going to do with your starting quarterback? Right right? Everything else comes after that, and until you know what you're gonna do there, there

really is no good answer, Dave, what do YEA? I will say that I think the one thing I've figured out, and I mean it's not new, but I guess I've just been mulling it over a lot since since the Stafford news and since people have started talking about that is, you know, theoretically, this could all play out the same as last year, where they tag him and nothing happens, and it goes all the way to July, and you know,

maybe a deal gets done, maybe it doesn't. In my mind, if this team doesn't have this figured out by like mid April, then it's just a catastrophic failure of organizational direction for a lot of reasons. Because again, you got a top ten draft pick, You got a chance to draft a future quarterback if that's what you need to do. You got a chance to pursue more. There are more quality quarterbacks available this year, whether through trade or free agency,

than like any year I can think of. So whether it's Dak Prescott or somebody else, they have a unique opportunity to set themselves up for the future, and if they don't make that decision in time to take advantage of it, then they're crazy. I mean, if you if you let this thing play out all the way to July and don't get a deal done, and then you're back here with a quarterback on a one year deal and this time he can enter free agency in twenty

twenty two, that's a disaster. So I just I have to believe that this is all good and get resolved in the next eight weeks. Yeah, it has to. I just can't. I can't see a logical reason why it

wouldn't be. Interesting. Thing there is that the leverage as this thing goes on diminishes for the Cowboys even more because with every quarterback that's lost in free agency that could have been someone they went after here, with every pick that happens in the draft that could have been a quarterback that they would have drafted, each one of those guys becoming unavailable makes it gives them less leverage in talking the deck, like they could always enter the

negotiations right now saying, hey, if this doesn't work, we got other options. When those options are gone, then it's a lot harder to make that argument. R Right, March ninth is the key, right there, you get it done, and to you know, if you have to tag him, I think you still tag him, right, But then you know everybody knows the deal. At that point they get they may go and sign somebody else and try to trade him, and yeah, it's a it's a mess. All right.

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We are presented by Geico. We're going through the offense. We're talking about specific positions and players. We talked about the quarterback position. As Nick reminded us, we did nothing to clarify what should be happening at that position. We will wait and have that discussion at a later date when the Cowboys make some decisions at the quarterback position. I want to move to the wide receiver position, though, and I want to start with the top three wide receivers.

You've got Cooper, Gallop and Lamb. I want each of you guys to for me. I want you to rank the three based upon how they performed this year. One, two, three, Dave, let's start with you, Cooper, Lamb, Gallop. That's not a knock on Gallop. They were all pretty damn good, especially considering they didn't have their starter starting quarterback for most

of the year. You know, he wasn't perfect, but I can't say enough about how I impressed I was with Amari, you know, setting a career high for catches, hitting a thou and yards. Had very few down games, and one of them was the night that Ben Denucci was playing in a windstorm. So I just thought I thought he had a great year. CD was awesome. Would have been better if he'd had Dak consistency issues, drops and stuff

like that, but so did Mike. Mike had a couple of really off games where he just couldn't seem to hang onto the ball um. But in general, they were all really good. But that's the order i'd put him in. Nick, I just keep it just like that. I don't I mean, we'll keep this thing moving. I wouldn't have disagree with anything of that order. I don't disagree with CD. He was a little bit inconsistent at times. You expect that as a rookie a Mari. You know, it was MARII

was good. I mean, he looked at the numbers of the numbers show that it was good. It was sometimes you're like, wow, he did that. I mean, you know, kind of unforgetta forgettable at times, but I mean the numbers were there. And so in that order there, all three had their games, they had their moments. That would be my order too, Yeah, same order. Was there a game where the three of them were just bad a single Yeah, I can't remember, but it's like the Nucci game.

That that's why they got any offense in that game. That game, Yeah, and I don't know if cut like six or seven passes because there was just a little quick, you know, maybe the Red Washington game whatever, the first one went in the rain. It was Red, you know, the redhead quarterback player. But I thinking for the most part for the whole season, I mean, they were pretty h consistent wise, like even you guys mentioned Michael Gallup or even see the being a little inconsistent at times.

But I think that's where the other wide receiver pulled in and did their jobs, so that that was just h a nice break in that aspect of the wide receiver compared to the previous year, like where we were just all a wide receiver by comedie and trying to figure out what was happening there at the position. So just in general to how people that you can't rely on if someone is having a bad day, you still have two o their guys that can pull the weight and do their jobs. So yeah, same order. I think

Cooper did sneak up on me. He's so forgettable to me, But at the same time he did such a nice job. And then Cee Lamb flashy plays. Obviously you cannot he cannot go unnotice unnoticed on the field. I did feel that at times they were trying to force the ball on him, a little too much at certain games. I

can't remember. I have such a bad memory when it comes to specific games, but I remember there was one game where it was just like they kept trying to force it to him and it just wasn't working, and they just kept going to him. But I just think that the three of them create a very very nice

balance for this offense. Yeah, I think it's interesting, and I'm glad you guys pointed out how good of season that Cooper had because everybody was talking last year about his struggles, particularly on the road, and I thought the best thing I could say about him this year was his consistency across the board. It seemed like every game or most games, he was showing up and providing productivity for the Cowboys. I'll ask this next question, and I

want to put it in context. You look at the two teams in the Super Bowl and you see that they are offenses where they have multiple skill position players that are at the top, like really really great skill position players. And so when you look at this Cowboys team, there's been a lot of talk this season where people are like, hey, can you take up, you know, Michael Gallop and trade him off because you already got great

other skill position players. Do you guys think it's important looking at what's working right now in the NFL, is it important to keep these three together and have that number of really talented skill position players, or do you think that it would be a better decision for the Cowboys maybe to look to take one of these guys, and again, it doesn't have to be Michael Gallop, any of these guys and decide, hey, let's see if we can move this guy and get some other pieces that

can help us on other parts of our teams where we may need some value. Nicholas start, well, you know, if you're gonna if you're gonna judge the teams that are in the Super Bowl and even in the final four teams conversation. No, well, yeah, quarterback, you know, without a doubt. But also I hate to say it, you know, because this this is the situation the Cowboys are in. But you know, look at Buffalo's running back. Look at the Chiefs running back. Look at the Bucks running back.

Look Chiefs got a running Who Hilaire was h Is he playing? He was the first round pick? Is he played played last week? Okay? But he's not the difference maker for them like he Yeah, but he's a good running player, a good player, Aaron Jones, a good player in Green Bay and all that. That's not right why they're winning though, So that particular case, so those four teams are kind of showing it there they're going to Are you trying to say this, because we're going to

get to that conversation. Are you saying the running back here is the reason why they would be winning. Well, that they didn't win. I know what I'm saying. Do you think that when they get back to winning that he would be the reason. I'll answer your question, mat the question. I'm not I'm not messing up these three receivers. I got these three. They're they're good. They open up things for the title. Yeah, you got me confused. What are you trying to say with the running back versus

the receivers that look like your face? Stop? I'm trying to say that the trying to say that the running back position in those four teams, that's not really the difference maker of them. Is that where the league is going? Is that where the cowboys are going. If the cowboys are they gonna have to try to do something in part ways with the running back. I'm not parting ways with these receivers. These receivers are good. They made my tight end who somebody wanted to be cut off this team,

actually a Pro Bowl candidate. So these three receivers opened things up. I'm not cutting them, We're not trading them. We're gonna get to the running back conversation later, probably in the next next week show. But one thing I will note, and I want you guys to go look at this. Go to look at the rushing numbers this year across the NFL. There were only two running backs they have more than eleven hundred and sixty nine yards. Think about that, eleven or six nine yards. It's not

a huge number as far as rushers are concerned. This year there were only two that had more than that. Because there eleven sixty four I mean, like, no, honestly, well that was because that was the highest one next to those other two. My point is, my point is I do think the NFL is changing, and I do think what you're starting to see more I think it preached your point. I think is that this is becoming more and more and you hear it all the time, but it really is starting to see you're starting to

see it in the numbers. This is a passing league, and this is also a league where it's very rare to find one running back on a team that's productive. Most teams have a couple running backs that they use in tandem to be able to do what they want to do. Him Europe, I'm not ready to have that

kind of conversation. I still think that Zig is very valuable and having a running back like him, and again and again, I get it he wasn't necessarily great last year, but that was just one year, and I'm still hoping that he can come back this year and go back to what he used to be prior to twenty twenty. But I still think that this team, even though they have three great white receivers, they still need to be

able to run the ball effectively. And I don't think that you can just do that with Tony Polar, although he showed that, but that's not really what you're asking. You're asking him about these three wide receivers. I would not trade them. It's just it's like one of those scenarios where you finally have an area of the team that it's working, that it's good. Why mess with it, and I get it. You're trying to add value at other positions of need. But at the same time, it's like, men,

let's just not create another unbalanced in there. You know, you could technically trade them and get something for them that you could definitely use on defense, for sure, But at the same time, I just I don't want to touch them. They're doing good. You don't need to work on anyone's contract. No one's is going out of contract next year, so let's just enjoy it for another year at least and just take advantage of them. Three Again, Dave, I hate what I'm about to say. I want to

be clear. Michael Gallup is like one of my absolutely favorite people on this team. I love the guy. I think he's a really I think he's a really underrated player and a really nice guy. But if you're you're talking about Michael Gallop, I know you said it could be any of them. No, it can't Ceedee lamb Is. He has all pro potential on a rookie contract. You don't trade that. And Amari Cooper not only is the

under contract, which makes him harder to trade. I don't think you can underestimate the impact that he's had on this team. I mean, maybe Dak would have taken these leaps without him, but it doesn't seem like a coincidence that he started taking these leaps when Amari showed up. He is uniquely positioned to be both a fantastic possession receiver as well as a home run threat. His separation ability is unique even among NFL receivers. I'm not trading him,

so you're basically talking about Michael Gallop. I don't love the idea of trading him because I agree with everything they said, but I think you at least need to be open to the possibility. Because he's only got one year left on his deal, you probably can't keep him. It's hard to say that for sure. We'll see what happens, but you know Dak. If Dak signs, he'll lead up a lot of the cap you got other guys to worry about. It's not realistic to think you can pay

three of those guys big deals. So if somebody wanted to offer me something good for him, a third round pick, maybe, I mean I would be I would I would jump to trade him for a second round pick. That would be fun. And you can I mean you can just turn around and draft another one. Mike was pick number eighty one in the draft. We saw look at the I mean, look at how many amazing receivers came out of this last draft, and this year's class looks to be kind of similar. Like there's gonna be a bunch

of stud receivers in this year's class. So if somebody offered me something good for Michael Gallop, I would trade him. But I don't think you have to by any means. Like, I'm totally fine letting him play out his contract. But if somebody offered me something really good for him, I'm here for it. Let me add to this port. The thing that's unique about these these three receivers is the fact that you know, especially Gallop Gallop still they and I agree with Dave Gallops the one that would be

tradeable in this situation. He's the guy that's like the least diva receiver on the team. Like he said the other day, I had one hundred and thirty yards in the first half. Hey, it was about time for someone else to get some Hey, we all can't get our numbers here. I mean, that's where it becomes a problem when you have three receivers and they all kind of want theirs and there they act like their friends and now they're cool, but really they you know, they wonder

who's getting the ball and all that. I don't really since that happening at all on this team, and I think that's a good thing. When you have three guys and they're not really fighting over the ball and they get along. I do. I want to trade them for a third round pick. The second round you'd have to listen, but a third round pick, I mean, if you just throw in the way the Cowboys are drafting, you get rid of him. So now now you got to figure

something else out. And who did you get? You got a Neville Gallimore, a Michael Gallup, another, you know, a Connor McGovern, Jordan Lewis, Malie Collins, Jaz Green, Terence Williams, J J. Wilcox. I mean, I'm just saying, you know, you have something really good special here, and you're gonna trade them so you can get this third round safety or corner might be good. Maybe he's really gonna help you.

I don't know. The second round we'll talk, you know, but third I'll probably just be good with, you know, because you won with the third rounder right, playing better than a third round pick. Yeah, you know what I would say about the wide receiver position, though, I do think that players are coming into the league a little more accustomed to the idea that they don't have to be the only stud wide receiver on the team. You

look at you look at college now. And I saw a picture the other day of that Alabama wide receiver group last year when they still had guys that went in the first round this year, and then all the guys that are gonna go in the first round, including by the way, a Heisman Trophy winner, and they were

all in the same wide receiver room. Right. It's it's like, I think they're getting used to the idea that, hey, it's okay if there are more than one of us, because that means we're all going to get a shot, and we're all gonna get a chance because they're gonna have to pay attention to somebody else at some point, right, And so I think that probably is a little different than what you and I grew up on when it comes to football, where you had one stud wide receiver

and then everybody else is just there to compliment him. Right, That's not the game anymore credit thing. He came from Colorado State. I bet he was. He was right, Yeah, he was, he was. I would assume he's just got a good it's just a good mindset. It's it's you know, they're those guys. I mean we saw the clip. I mean they're talking about. What were they talking about on the one of those clips we had on the sidelines sound from the sideline they were talking about, Yeah, something,

it was something. Yeah, it was just like it was like what kind of pie kind? Yeah? All right, oh yeah, what favored pie? He goes And that's the problem you like, PuF said, that's your problem. Oh thinks let's go right, all right, last question, half of you guys on the wide receivers, Both Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown are free agents after this At this point, Brown will be an understricted free agent, Wilson a restricted free agent. Uh. They both had some moments this year where I thought they

contributed to the team in very positive ways. If you could only keep one, which one would you opt to to keep? Let's start with you Ample, I think I would want to keep, uh Cedric, just you know, with Noah Brown, I mean he's been an interesting guy. He was someone that caught my attention ever since he stepped on the field. I think he has the ability, but he just he likes that consistency. He hasn't been able to give you, at least what I expected him to

give me. And I know they don't use him every single time. But if let's say one of these wide receivers gets hurt and you gotta put a guy out there, I would rather have Cedric Wilson just because of the things that I've seen from him. And again, he hasn't been the most consistent guy either, but his ability down the field and the him being longer just attracts me more as to what I want from a wide receiver and the things that he can possibly do for you. I mean, Cedric Wilson is a guy that he made

a huge leap last year. We saw it. He got along and I got along. But I mean like he had a good rapport with Dak he saw that was in the offseason that carried over to training camp, carried over to the game. He does a lot of different things, don't you know. As long as he's not running fake punts on fourth and ten back there, I mean as long as you're not doing that. I mean he left the team in quarterback rating, in percentage, you know, I mean he does other things. Uh yeah, he's the guy there.

I mean, Noah Brown. Listen, it's been it's a good experiment. It just didn't work. And the very first minute of free agency, he's going to be on a flight to LaGuardia Airport in New York and he's gonna probably sign with the Giants. That's what's gonna happen because that coaching staff loved him and that's probably where he's gonna go. Ye. Nick,

I'm sorry, Dave, I mean everything they said. But also just keep in mind Cedric's restricted, which means all you have to do is put the You could put the tender for the round, so it's first round, second round round. Originally drafted, Cedric was a sixth round. Oh yeah, keep him on a one year. Keep keep him on a one year deal for very very cheap. And I think that just makes too much sense. The reason why I

say that is it never seems to be. Usually it's it's the original round, and it's it's not you didn't draft them, Yeah right, it's usually an undrafted free agent, but he was a draft pick, which so you'll take a six. I mean if somebody wants to sign him and take him and he was like, well, you're probably not gonna match that deal. So and by the way, you got three guys that we just finished talking about. So whatever happens beyond that is kind of just gravy. Right, Well,

maybe maybe that's a question we could have asked. Two is okay, let's say that the let's say you did part ways with Gallop. Are you you like Cedric Wilson enough to slide him into that role? Let me ask you this, what you saw early in the year he was making a lot of those big plays when Dak was here. Didn't seem to make a lot of those once Dak was no longer here. So do you think

that maybe that's the key? We go back to that first go back into house, let's go and you make a decision on him based on the Q. Do you think Brandy Dalton's not invited him into his house to go out there and throw a ball? I don't know. It just doesn't seem like he was as explosive as he was with sex. You know. All right, Let's let's take our final break. When we come back, we're gonna get some fan questions here in the final segment. Amber has those lined up. We'll do that when we come

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Welcome back into the final segment of the Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We are presented by Geico. We're gonna get some fan questions. We've been trying to do this now for about two months and now we finally have a little time so we can get some questions in here. Amber. What do

you have? Well, I had a question about the defense versus the offense and how much money the Cowboys have invested on one versus the other, which led me to think of this whole idea that I'm gonna propose to you guys and see what you think. I'm pretty sure you guys are going to disagree. But you know how years ago you used to say defenses one super Bowls and one championships, right, and now we're seeing a league

where it's more on the offense. And what those guys are doing with the Cowboys having invested so much money on offense, is this maybe a time where they should be taking a turn and trying to invest more on their defense instead and reconstructing that to where now their power area is their defense. So that way, maybe maybe we start seeing them win more games than what we've seen in what the past five over five years? What

do you guys think? And we know history repeats itself, so you never know when the league is going to turn back to going into having powerful defenses win championships. You could argue, I mean that these teams that are in the championship game, I mean they have good quarterbacks and they have some really good defenses too. Those defenses actually helped them. But I mean, I don't know if you could say that's the main reason of what they do.

I just think it's a cycle. I think the Cowboys need to start drafting, I mean drafting for defense, drafting, you know, with their top pick, maybe the top couple of picks, you know, and the guys that they have hit in the first round, if they picked in the first round, haven't always connected, you know. Mo Claiborne didn't

didn't work out, Taco didn't work out. The jury is still out on Layton Vander It's I mean, it's worked out for a while, but if he if he continues to get hurt, then you're gonna say that it hasn't. So they need to not only draft I think defense, but you know they gotta they gotta hit a home run with this pick. Yeah, you know, I'll say this. I don't think this is something that's cyclical that it will go back at some point to defense is unless

the league makes out a priority. Because this is not by happenstance that the league has become offensive become an offensive league. It's because the league wanted it to be an offensive league, so they change the rules to make it more slanted in favor of the offense. And that's why the offenses have become so explosive, and that's why defenses don't. You cannot convince me that defensive players are

just worse now than they were fifteen years ago. I think what's happened is they just made all the rules to where it's very hard to be able to play defense and not get a penalty. And so that all I mean, you think about the hits to the head and all that kind of stuff. That's about player safety, but it affects the defense and their ability. Nick and you and I grew up on Ronnie Lott, right, it was a whole different brand of football going across the middle.

Every receiver couldn't do it because it took a certain level of crazy to be able to want to run across the middle and catch a ball because you knew you were going to get lit up. So the game has changed and it favors the offense. I don't think that's going back anytime soon, So I think this is going to continue to be an offensive league. I think the one thing you'll notice, Nick, and you're talking about these defenses, defenses I think that are successful in today's game.

They're opportunistic. So you want to have yourself somebody in the secondary who can get you some turnovers when the opportunities present themselves. You want to have at least one guy on your defensive line that can create problems for the offense. You're Aaron Donald's, you know, Chris Jones is a guy in Kansas City. You want to find that one guy on your defensive front who can really disrupt things when when there are opportunities to disrupt things and

in critical moments in games. But by and large, you want your defense is just basically hold the opponent to somewhere around twenty to twenty three points and have an offense that can score more than that, Right, that's today's game. And so I think, yeah, the Cowboys gonna have to add some some some pieces. But I also think it's it's extremely important. It's more important for them to make sure that they can maintain an offense I can put up a lot of points, because you just can't win

without it, in my opinion. I'll just also add to that that And I mean, this isn't a this is not a it's not a blanket statement. That's completely true. Like right off the top of my head. You know, Green Bay signed Preston Smith and Zadarius Smith and free agency Kansas City, you know, Tyron Matthew was an amazing free agent signing for the Chiefs. But for the most part, like good defenses are built through the draft anyway. You know, people talk about that San Francisco defense that got to

the Super Bowl last year. Yeah, they signed Richard Sherman, but the strength of that defense was that disgusting defensive line, which was all draft picks, you know, for the most part. Yeah, like you mentioned, you mentioned Chris Jones in Kansas City, another draft pick. Like, I just think we spent a whole segment talking about the legion of Boom in Seattle. The vast majority of that defense was just amazing draft picks.

So yeah, I mean, obviously the Cowboys defense needs to improve, but I'm not going to ignore the offense for the sake of it. You got to have a good quarterback, and yeah, they just need a draft better on defense starting in April. Now, another question you talked to him

about free agency, and this is on free agency. If you were to not look at the list of the Cowboys current free agent guys, because that's pretty long right now, but if you had to sign a free agent veteran guy to the Cowboys from the outside, what a position

would you be looking at the most? Right now that you're like, Okay, we definitely need a veteran guy that can come in here and help instead of just draft for me, for me, I mean, age, you're gonna love this, I would probably say safety because they need they need them. They don't care about safety. They we know that. You asked me. You ask me, you asked me what I would say, not what they would do. Um, they they need one. I think it's kind of unrealistic to think

that you're gonna find one immediately in the draft. I don't love the options that are available at safety, um at the top of the draft anyway. Obviously you can find some better ones later on. But you know, you think I mean, right off the top of my head, one that makes sense as Keane O'Neil, just because he's Dan Quinn's draft pick. Um. And and again, like we gotta be realistic, like there, this isn't gonna be a

team that breaks the bank in free agency. They can't afford it and they hate doing it anyway, So you know, justin Simmons up in Denver would be fun, but I don't think that's realistic. Um. But yeah, like a guy like a Keyan O'Neil comes to mind, like I said, mainly because he played with Quinn for so long careful because you know, um, Mike McCarthy's draft pick was uh haha,

Clinton Dix, you know. And I'm just saying, and we thought that was kind of, oh, it would be a good, good, you know pick, and it just he just wasn't ready, you know, I mean, it just wasn't. He wasn't a guy, and he didn't never never played right. He ever he played a game. He got cut before the season got here. Yeah, he didn't make the team. Yeah, I want to throw a name to you guys. I want to I'd be interesting to see what you guys to think about this. I saw this name pop up and it made me think.

And they were talking about him as though he's a free agent, so excuse me if he's not. But what would you think about a guy like Richard Sherman. Uh. He obviously has played with with with with quinn in um. He is, by all accounts one of the better cornerbacks in the league over the last ten years. Um. Obviously at the end of his career. But you got a young guy that's coming up that you may want to maybe have him around, A guy like a Richard Sherman.

What do you guys think about something like that? If the Cowboys had that opportunity to get a Richard Sherman, I love it. I love it. I mean, I think he uh and and in the media, we all would love it. You know, he's amazing. He's one of the smartest guys in the NFL. UM. You know, he's he really is. I mean, and and and I think that that savviness, that that those smarts has helped him become, you know, a really good player for a long time. Um. I didn't notice though, in that game that they played

the forty nine ers, he wasn't. Oh no, he's not Richard Sherman. He's got the Richard Sherman. Yeah. But um, if he's willing to do that, you know, not all the veteran players are willing to be that guy. Know that helps the other ones. But if he is, he's willing to do that, yeah, I think so. I think he could be a good player. I mean, you know, Brandon Carr was like that for a while, and he's

a better He's way better than Brandon Carr. But I'm talking about he was kind of that player and helped those younger guys as long as they treat it as a long term plan and rather than a solution, like don't sign Richard Sherman and be like, Okay, we're we're set at cornerback for the next two or three years. Like sign Richard Sherman and then go spend your first or second round pick on a cornerback and Richard Sherman can hopefully help him, you know, not just learn the defense,

but learn how to be a pro. Yeah. I love that, as long as it's part of a larger plan. Yeah, because they already had that. They had it last year with shan Lee, like they had that guy. Yeah, you know that that isn't you know? He's a he's a veteran guy, he's there for presidents. He's kind of a coach on the field type of thing. So, but you talked about how how smart Richard Sherman is, and I think it's both on the field and off the field. I think the interesting thing here is you got a

new defensive coordinator coming in. He will probably want somebody on the field who understands what they're trying to do. And I think Richard Sherman or a guy like that you talked about Kean O'Neil, same thing. You're bringing somebody like that into the mix. Is just somebody that can kind of reiterate what the coach is thinking that he may not have time to say, so that the other guys on the field kind of know what the defense

is trying to do in a particular. And I wouldn't say this about all cornerbacks because I know people think this a lot, but you have to be smart to do it, but I think he is a cornerback as he's kind of aging a little bit and he's still got a good size to him. I think he could maybe rotate into a safety role. We've seen it, Rod Woodson type of guys. This guy, but you have to be smart enough to kind of understand people think because you've lost a step that you could just play safety.

Doesn't work that way, but I think it could with a guy like him. So I'm curious if he you know, that's really interesting. I don't. I don't know if you know how he would feel about that, but that would be an interesting and interesting concept. I certainly would think it would be worth looking at, investigating if you think he could do it. Bring it in anyone, any veteran guy,

don't care, just come on over. We need you. The next question we know with the changes in the changing the defensive coordinator, and we talked about the linebacker position Jalen Smith him possibly turning into a better player under Dan Quinn. Who know, we'll see, but after that, higher has the priority of linebacker changed for you as far as how much help you need their linebacker? Specifically looking at how bad the run defense was this year and

even last year. In general, I don't know, Dave. I think I know more about the quarterback was just then than I know about the linebacker position. I mean, linebackers. I don't have any clue of what they're going to do. There is Sean Lee coming back? I saw, you know, Yeah, I mean yeah, we see things we're not always supposed to see. But whatever it was, it could mean. That could mean one hundred different things. Yeah, exactly is Layton vander is going to come back? Is Jalen Smith even

on the team. I don't know anything about linebacker. Let's just assume that everybody that's under contract stays under contract. I mean that's only like, that's only two guys, one of whom Layton has had injury issues for two straight years and one of whom Jalen Smith had the worst year of his career. No, I don't feel better about it at all. I don't. I wouldn't want to spend

the tenth overall pick on a linebacker. But you know, just getting into my draft study, I'm starting to find a lot of intriguing guys that might be there in the second or third round that I'm like, hell, yeah, sign me up. Even if he's not an immediate starter that say, okay with me, So no, I I feel like it's a very big priority. Maybe not a first round priority, but definitely still a priority. Even like I said, you know, Nick nixt totally right, we don't know for sure.

I don't know what Sean's gonna do. I don't know what Jalen Smith's future is. But even if, even if they're all on the team, I'm still interested in upgrading is going to be a part of the Cowboys in some way, in some way, I'm I'm guessing that too. I'm guessing he's going to be in this building in some kind of the implier not not necessarily implying anything, but just I just I think they have a high regard for him, and I think he has a high regard for them, and I think typically we have those

kinds of situations. I think it tends to work out. Yeah, But but if he's not everything y'all are sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Dad, Just everything y'all are saying is an implication. You're implying that he's going to either play or coach for the Cowboys. Like I mean, it's not a very subtle implication. It's an opinion implicate Okay, it's an opinion, it's not an implication. An opinion. That's not guessing the lottery. That's something that you could easily assume. That's not it's

not a hard thing. But what we do know about it is he's not gonna be a starter. Yeah, so it doesn't really matter. Then let's figure out who's you know, who's gonna play, Who's gonna start, you know. And I know I've seen I've seen the clips, and I know there's some baggage to it, but I know there's that kid in Penn State looks like it looks pretty sam good, but I think there's some issues there with him. And

here's my thing. Like, I know, Dave, you said you wouldn't necessarily go with a tenth overall pick on linebacker. I look around the league and I'm like, man, think about like the really good defenses, they usually start with a really good linebacker. And so I just look at it personally and I say, if you've got a guy you think is that good, I think go ahead and make the pick because I think right now one of the things that's holding this team, this defense back is

their linebacker play. I think they got two guys out there right now that didn't play great this year, and I think if you can get that one position fixed, I think it makes a lot of other positions look a lot better because if you can get a guy that can cover as well, you know, rush at times as well as run sideline the sidline. I know that's not an easy thing to find, but you find that guy, it's worth it. You'll get more than the value back on that pick. What really sucks? Had I had a

great argument. I was sorry, Amber, what I was just gonna say that what really sucks is that you actually recently spent the first round pick on a linebacker, and that hasn't necessarily behind you where you wanted to be because of the injuries and stuff. But it just sucks that we're still talking about the linebacker positions a few years out of them drafting a first round pick on a linebacker. Yeah. True, which goes to my kind of

goes to my point. I got in an argument with Bucky Brooks on the Draft Show about this last week, which if you promise me you're getting if I am getting Devin White, the Tampa Bay linebacker, who has one hundred and sixty tackles and ten sacks and three picks? But how many? But it's a good question, that's a really good question. But I mean, go go back and watch that game. Though, like, the reason the reason Green Bay struggled wasn't necessarily linebacker. It was because Shack Barrett

and sapp were eating Aaron Rodgers. They were eating Rogers alive, and I mean, yes, good linebacker. They also couldn't run the ball, and that had a lot to do with the linebacker. Right, Hey, who's who's beasting in Kansas City? Who's their beast linebacker? Guy by the name of and the hygens who was found in the who's found in the fourth round? You can find good Bobby Wagner was the second round pick, Like you can find those guys all over the draft. I would just rather spend a

top ten pick on pass rush or coverage. That's just me. All right, we'll appreciate you, guys, Jonas. That's a rap. We'll be back next week. We're gonna finish up the offense. We'll talk about the running back position, which I think there are a lot of questions and a lot of conversations around that, we'll also get into the offensive line and the tight end position well that next week. Till then for Nick Eaton, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I am

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