Cowboys Break: Back From The Bye

live on the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. And there's a lot for us to get into today. It's been a little while since we've been on the air. We had a nice little bye week. There a couple of days to just kind of kick back. Don't look like that, Dave. You had a couple of days to kind of kick back. And I was on the air yesterday and Thursday. I think, yeah, but Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

you didn't have to do anything, all right. So I was saying the little break saying, relatively speaking, yeah, you're right all right? How you doing? Nick? Good? Good? Amber Good? Nick has this lawyer face on because I don't have a lawyer face, and I'm not about to talk. I'm really not about to tell you anything. You're not. I talked a little bit about what's going on. I try to figure some stuff out, but I only had like

five minutes, so it's gonna take a lot more than that. Oh, we got a whole hour, so you can you can definitely just feel it on whatever you know. We'll get into that in just a second. We'll also spend some time to day talking about the NFC East. All the teams in the NFC East except for the Cowboys, played

last weekend. All of them won. We'll see if what you guys are thinking about this NFC East and uh, and if maybe these giants who are who were winless until last weekend can possibly get on a role here and maybe beat some teams you want them to beat here in the second half of the season. All right, before we start, I mean, let's go ahead and get into it and talk a little bit about this, this situation with Ezekiel Elliott. Uh, there's a lot that's still

going on. As of last Friday, Nick, you guys jumped on the air and did I thought a really good show for you guys that didn't hear it talking about the Zeke situation and the fact that now the NFL is reinstated, they were allowed by the courts to reinstate the suspension UM. And then as of yesterday, I think there was some filings that happened with Zeke's team tell us about I guess what's happening right now, What should fans be looking looking at and what should they be

paying attention to with regards to axiculoity. Well, I think today they are. They're meeting again today in New York. They're trying to the NFLPA is trying to get another I guess restraining order or stay for the suspension they're trying to to, which I think would only last fourteen

days um. Because what they're trying to do is get all of the twelve twelve circuit judges I guess together for this and while they're doing that, they're hoping to get a stay for this so so he will continue to play would block the suspension again right until they can get all those so they can get them all together together to be able to hear it. Yeah, and

that which apparently takes forever to do that. So the nfl PA is hoping to get you know, while this happens, to get a stay so so as he can continue to play. And that's that's what I think. It's going to be ruled on today at one thirty, So maybe this afternoon we'll find out if he's going to play in this game. But I mean, there's so many more layers to this, you know, and and we can get into a little bit more about why he's doing that day.

You might know more about what's happening this week or today, or I know there's a ruling today that's going to determine I mean, I was under the impression it might determine his status period because if he doesn't get this, there's not a whole lot else he can do, right, right, if he goes against him, then he's kind of waiting until they get those all those judges together and then

they would hear the case. Basically, the way I understand it is that today is about getting the stay until they can get together to actually hear the case and then make a ruling. But the problem is if you don't get to stay, then who knows how long that's going to take. And all that time as of as of yet, as a Friday, the NFL said he's suspended,

could theoretically serve his whole suspension while he's waiting. While he's waiting, correct, Yeah, yeah, which Again, if his goal at the end of the day is to clear his name, then it's kind of irrelevant if he has to serve the six game suspension and then the court case continues. He still wants to have the court case because he

wants to be able to clear his name. But you're right, it could happen that the courts take so long if he doesn't have a stay, the courts take so long that he serves a suspension anyway, which would seem to be a bit of a travesty, especially if he should win the court case at some point. Yeah, which, and by no means, and I am I an expert on this, I feel like I'm more and more out of my depth every time this thing takes a turn. But I'm I'm not under the impression that he's got like a

favorable chance on this one. I mean, he's refiling in the second District of New York, which has been friendly to the NFL before the where the Brady case played out, And it sounds like I go into this expecting him to not get it and then not when or not get a stay, not get the stay. I don't know what happens with the course, I mean the case once it's eventually you know, heard. But I'm expecting him to not get this stay just and that's I mean, that's

just my intuition and my feeling about it. I don't mean, we'll see if I'm right or wrong. But um, I think it was an upset or maybe not unforeseen but a little unexpected, that that that injunction got thrown out in New Orleans. I think that was the big thing for Zeke's team, that that they wanted to have. I mean, that clearly worked so well in his favor, and now

he's kind of behind the eight ball. Well, but if if memories, I mean, if if I'm understanding this correctly, the ruling that happened last week was not so much about the merits of his case as much as it

was about the timing and where it was being adjudicated. Correct. Yes, none, none of this is really about the merits of the case, right, I mean, other than I do think at this point now with the refiling, it does become more about the merits of the case, because you are presumably in the right court because you're doing it in New York in the Fifth Circuit, right, so you're in the right court.

The timing is right because the appeal has already been heard by the NFL, by the arbitrator, and you've gotten a ruling, So the timing is right. So now it does become about the merits of the case. And that's why I kind of am the flip of you. I think there's a lot of reason why you can think that maybe the court will give him the stay in the fact that in all that time, if he's missing games,

he can't get those games back. So there is a clear situation here where there's irreparable harm that's done before there's a ruling. I don't have a lot of faith that in the long term this is going to play out in his favor, because, like you said, this is the same situation. There have been a lot of There have been a few different situations, I should say, where players have ended up taking their things the court and

rarely I don't think, if ever, they've won. Because of the way the CBA is set up for the league to have the kind of jurisdiction that they do, and so Nick, so you're telling me, even if he gets this, that only buys him two weeks. That's what That's what I was told. Fourteen days would be how long the restraining order would be temporary restraining order, and I my assumption is that one or two things would happen at

that point. Either they get all these guys together to be able to hear this case, or they would follow another temporary restraining order to continue to continue until they can get everybody to all the until they can have it heard and obviously get a ruling. Right. Yeah, this is like when you go down to walk down the stairs to go eat. See how that art that's up and down like that. That's what this is. Trying to

piece it together. Now that's the hell Mary, I got it. Yeah, that's kind of what those of you guys who aren't in this building and have never been in this building. There's a neat little art display that shows all the different frames of thet No. It goes like three stories. Yeah, it's huge, and it's actually pretty cool, but it shows different frames, different photo frames of the hell Mary play. But anyway, you're right, now, this is it's gonna be tough.

But let me kind of throw this part out there too, that I know the fans they can't help but care about what they care about, and they care about their favorite team and their favorite players playing in the game to help him win. I understand that. And so for all the fans that say, just take it now, just take take this suspension, let's just get it over with, because it's gonna happen anyways. Let's sen we're not that good this year or two and three will probably just

take it. Like there's so much more to it than that, Like he cannot quit. He cannot quit. Now, do you realize when you're on the number four overall, pick all the guaranteed moneies that that come with that. I mean, when you are suspended for this for one game, even if it's just this one game, all of his guaranteed moneys out the window. So knock on wood. If he had a really bad injury, one of those injuries that

you're like, oh my god, I mean, he's done. He cannot He won't get any of that money because he and it's not the team's decision, right, it's a it's gonna be in the neighborhood about two million dollars that he will lose just from that alone, just from the just from playing or missing game checks and incentives and all that stuff. Then you got to remember court costs, Like he's taking all this on himself. This is in the neighborhood of maybe a million when it's all said

and done. If you know, if Cam Newton's losing sponsors for what happened, you know he's not getting any So look at all of the all of what what could be lost here and then the top of his comptation. And the NFLPA doesn't want to quit this thing either, because this is more about this isn't They're not just fighting for Zeke, they're fighting against Goodell. They're fighting against and the next you know, labor deal of Like, no, the commissioner doesn't have this much power as much as

he thinks he's. So there's so many different levels here that that it's just it's not eive to say, just drop the case. Let's get it on, because because it's hurting your team and your fantasy team, it's a lot more to it than that I don't understand something, and

maybe you guys can explain it. To me, But I can't understand how a suspension can come into effect whilst a case is still going on, since that's something, I mean, a suspension is something you can't take back, just like let's put you in jail while we finish the investigation. That's something you can't take back. So I don't understand the whole procedure in this whole case. Well, whether you believe it or not, the NFL is arguing the same thing that Zeke is arguing, which is there is irreparable

harm by letting him play. So they're arguing while the league, I mean, while the NFLPA is trying to get this temporary restraining order under the thought that if Zeke is forced not to play while the case is still being adjudicated, then there's a reparable harm him he can't get those games back. Well, the league is saying the exact same thing, Well, there's a reparable harm to us. I'm not really sure how they I'm not sure how they're making that argument.

They're probably saying something to the effect of, hey, if if if we let him play, then this sets up a bad precedent and then players will take things to court. When that's not a part of CBA. I don't know what their argument is, and that's my assumption that would be their argument, But they are making the argument there's a reparable harm being done the league if Zeke continues to play in the meantime while this thing's being judicated. So just depends on how the judges. Yeah, it just

depends on how the judges rule. On On top of that, I think you're you're going a level deeper than you need to, like, for the point of answering your question, the investigations over. As far as the NFL's concerned, they investigated it, they made a decision. They think he violated their policy, so they suspended him. He is taking outside means and going above and beyond to try to fight that. But as far as the NFL's concerned, they've already made

that decision, and I get that. I'm just even then, you know, they made their decision, but the whole thing is still going on. So if you're taking that to another court, it's like, Okay, let's just keep it in hold on hold and until we figure out. But exactly what to do, And if I'm the NFL, and again I'm not saying what they did was right or whatever. But I'm saying, we made our ruling and we want you.

You're going to serve that suspension while this gets sorted out, and whether or not whatever comes of this, we have decided that you're suspended, right, And that's the league's perspective. I think Amber saying, I guess the way I took it was the courts are now the ones that are left to decide should this be on hold until we finished making a ruling, or should it not be? And that's I guess what they're gonna argue today and say, We're gonna figure out see how they fall on this.

It's gonna be interesting either way. Let's talk about the contingencies here for the Cowboys. Let's assume for a second that Zeke does not get to stay and he is forced to miss game, at least miss this weekend's game. What are the Cowboys going to do at the running back position. We've seen Alfred Morris be the guy that's been the number two. We've seen Darren McFadden in act. If there's a thought that maybe Darren mcatt McFadden, they're doing that because they want to keep him fresh, to

make him now jump into that starting spot. If this were to happen, what do you guys believe this thing's gonna fall. As far as playing time for the running backs, Well, whatever it is, it's gonna be a little bit more of a split, you know, split carries than what we've seen. I mean, we've seen ninety five percent to Zekee and you know, maybe five percent to Morris. I don't think it'll be like that. It'll probably be in the sixty

forty range. I don't flavoring who. If had to guess, I would say Morris, I guess because they like him more. But I don't. I don't know. I mean I would imagine that whatever it is, I mean they're gonna play, I would probably go with Morris because I think McFadden would be your better third down back if you want

to go that route. But yeah, I have a hard time believing they're gonna vault a guy into the lion's share of the carries after sitting on the bench for a month and a half, although I will say practicing though, right, No sure, But I mean, you know, just Alfred Morris has been in the swing of the season, and he's been getting carries during the games I had a big run, I would have the longest run of the year. Yeah, I would imagine he if Yeah, I think Nick's right.

Something you know, committee sixty sixty thirty five or five percent left over for Rod Smith probably something you guys are saying that if by chance, somebody that you know owns Zeke Elliott in their fantasy league, that Morris might be the guy you'd want to pick up to replace him. Honestly, I was gonna say I picked him up on Friday, but I was scared, like really, yeah I did? What? Like who? What kind of bums? Or I have a

horrible running back? No, but what kind of bums are in your league that nobody thought to pick him up? Like my all, but Darren mcfatten picked up in every other league. Been texting me since September like, which of these guys should I have him? Nobody knew that's the problem. I've had Morris on my bench since week one, for whatever that's worth. But all right, I'm just saying so

for you. For you, when Darren mcfatten was sitting on the bench when he was inactive, to you, that signaled he Morris is the guy in the event that has to sit. I think you know. And yeah, I'm gonna have to go on a fantasy show later this week where they're gonna ask me this question. I'm gonna say there isn't a good answer. I'm sorry, there, it's not There's no way any of these guys are gonna get ninety five percent of the carries. I don't believe that.

And if Jason Garrett came up to me today and said our decision to sit Darren McFadden for the last six weeks has nothing to do with Zeke's situation, I wouldn't believe him. No, he could tell me that, and I just say, you're full of crap. I don't believe. But one of those guys is gonna have to be an active though right, they weren't gonna have both but Alfred Morris. But the conscientious decision to go with one repeatedly week after week after favoring the other one all

through training camp. I just I don't buy it. And again, you can tell me I'm wrong, and I'll just stick to my opinion. What do you make again? You're saying that that they sat McFadden. I think the the the the what the continuous decision to sit him every week

and just constantly go with Morris. So you thought they should have rotated between who was I think it was close enough that the fact that it was always McFadden all six weeks tells me that they're like, we'd rather just have this guy definitely be ready if we unless, of course, they were trying to tell him he wasn't as good as Morris, like if if Morris was better to them in the preseason and in training camp, and they wanted to make sure McFadden knew that nothing nothing.

The way to do that is to sit him down. Nothing they did during preseason or training camp insinuated that they thought Morris was better. McFadden got them McFadden started. If Fadden started, McFadden got more work right often than not at all. And if and if they felt and if they felt like in that situation he wasn't taking advantage of it and he wasn't showing them enough, then Fadden was on their rest cycle. Like they were like, we're gonna give him this day off because he's a veteran.

He needs it, understood, But if all that time in preseason you're offering they didn't feel like he was he was playing better than Morris. You're offering a strong counter argument, and Jason Garrett could offer the same thing, and I would say, that's cool. I don't believe you, straight up, no matter what you say, I don't believe. I don't believe.

And that's okay. Yeah, I mean, if I can be wrong, if I want to be wrong, I just it just makes too much sense with what's facing them right now, where they're like, well, it's really good that we decided to keep our most injury prone running back on the shelf because now we got them. Yeah. I just and and if they didn't do it on purpose, then it's a very good unintended consequence. Put it that way. I don't know if they ever really intended that Zeke are

really thought that Zeke was going to be out. I mean, who knows. But but when you have this surplus of running backs, it makes a hell of a lot of sense to try to protect them as much as you can when you don't know how much you can count on your starter. Yep. So but if that's the mentality, I mean, this is not even close to being the same. But why not make Cooper Rush active instead? Because that's the same kind of mentality because you're only ever one

play away from needing your backup quarterback and whatever. For whatever reason, they trust Kellen Moore to do that more than they trust Cooper Rush. But if Zeke had gotten hurt in any of these games, you've still got two capable guys behind him, So I don't think that's the same thing. So it sounds like they feel pretty good with the options they have right now. According to Stephen Jones, I mean that, Yeah, it's it's not as exciting as

Ezekiel Elliott or if you had drafted a guy. But you know, it hasn't made sense why they've had all these running backs for the last six months, but now it does. Yeah, we're gonna take our break when we come back. I actually want you guys to answer that question for me. Looking at what the Cowboys have over the next six games, how confident are you the Cowboys can still make this offense move with these backup running backs. If Zeke's going to be out for all of those games,

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talking about how that's going to affect the Cowboys. And right before break, I told you guys, I wanted to get your opinions on what you think that will happen with the Cowboys over these next six games. You've a game at San Francisco this weekend. San Francisco is oh and six. Then you go at Washington, who's three and two. Then you come home to play the Kansas City Chiefs who are five and one, Then at Atlanta, who's three and two record. I don't know if you really think

it reflects how good a team they are. Maybe it does. And then you play Philadelphia who is now five and one, sitting atop of the division. And then round out the six games against the Chargers on Thanksgiving Day, who are two and four. What do you think the likelihood is that this offense can still run as efficiently as it needs to run, because I think we all agree in order for this team to be successful, the offense has

to be efficient, has to be good. How confident are you that they can do that over those six games with these opponents. If ezecuel Eli is out, well, I don't think they're gonna go like they wouldn't go six and oh, but I mean I think they can still win,

you know, three or four of these games. I mean, but you look around the league, there's a lot of people that play with a lot less at running back and especially from an offensive line running back standpoints, so they can they still have as much fire firefower as other teams To mean that, they're gonna need to be you know, better on defense to be able to withstand that.

I mean, they've been scoring thirty points a game at home and they haven't been able to win, and that's because you know, the defense hasn't really done anything to really help them that much. So I think they can still do some things, but it's gonna it's gonna take more of a team effort. You can't just lean on, you know, Zeke Amber, I think it will open up I mean more options, just maybe other defenses trying not to focus so much on stopping Zeke. Maybe that gives

them other options there. But honestly, I don't think this changes anything by much in my honest I mean, again, not having zek yeah, that's gonna affect them, but we have seen that he hasn't been the same guy that we thought he would be like the year before. So the offense just needs to kind of keep pushing, and

it's I'm concerned about the defense more than anything. Dave I said this yesterday on the specialty show we did, which is I'm not going to try to convince anybody that it's not a big deal, and there's some validity to that, Amber, just that you know, the running game hasn't been what you thought it would be anyway, but you're still losing an incredibly talented player and one of

the best running backs in the league. So I don't think that's going to be great, obviously, but I'm not just going to assume it's going to be a train wreck until I see that, because you know, you spent these resources on quality veteran running backs for a reason. We've seen them. Both have their moments. I mean, Darren McFadden ran for eleven hundred yards in his one year as the starter. Alfred Morris has had very brief moments. You know, the seventy one yard run comes to mind.

He's had a couple other decent outings. They all looked good in the preseason. I certainly think you lose an element of explosiveness, but I mean I expect that they'll still be able to run the ball effectively. The big thing for me is, you know who's going to be that guy that turns the zero or one yard game into two or three, which is you know, we haven't seen that from McFadden and Morris as well as we saw it from Zeke maybe Rod Smith as a guy who can do that. I mean, good lord, he's like

sixty three two forty, So there. I mean, and you think about how much they struggled in short yardage in twenty fifteen. I think that's that's what really scares me more than you know, what they're running for like one twenty nine a game right now. I think I would imagine that they can still hover at or above one hundred yards a game. I think they're I think that's reasonable, but you're you're missing an element of explosiveness, and you need to find a guy who can get you that

fourth down like Zeke did against the Packers. That's definitely something that worries me. But but I think in the long run, I don't think I'm not ready to call this a train wreck. Let me ask you this question. I look at this offense, and to me, I know a lot of people have been focusing a lot on what the running game has not been. I think Zeke's run really hard, and I think the offensive line at times has not been able to give him any holes.

But you're right, he takes that one yard game, he turns it into three yards, and people don't see that as a great run, but it's a great run. I think one of the bigger differences between last year and this year is I don't think the receivers have been as consistently good as they were last year. And I think if Zekiel Ellid is out of the game for six weeks, I think it now becomes important for this quarterback and for these wide receivers to be more consistent.

I think you've had in big moments, you've had guys dropping balls. They just haven't seemed to have that same kind of Last year, it seemed like at moments they were actually making plays when they were needed, the receivers are actually making plays, and this year it seems like they're they're not as frequently making those same kinds of plays.

Do you guys agree with that that that's a big difference that this year and that's something to be something that's that they're going to have to change if they're going to be successful while Zeke's out, Yeah, I do think that the receivers are kind of the biggest issue that this offense has because it allows defenses to say, we're just gonna try to load up and make sure that this that we don't get blown off the ball because we'll take our chances with the receivers and that

they don't beat them that much. They don't get they don't get burned by that. So that's gonna be an issue. But I do agree with what Amber said about I think defenses are gonna now kind of try to play it differently. Um, And I think we already saw that this year. We already saw that they didn't play at the same when forty six was back there. There's no way Zeke's ripping off a seventy yard run like that. They don't have the same middle of the defense wouldn't

have been there. So you're gonna see a little bit more of that. Um. But you know, I think I think it'll open things up for the Cowboys. But but like you said, short yardage is gonna be tough. I mean, we saw McFadden go for eleven hundred yards two years ago, but they were one of the worst teams in the league. The goal line short yards, third and one. They couldn't push and run, So I think that's that's a big issue there. I'm with Dave on that. I kind of

want to see Rod Smith in that role. Honestly, He's got a big body, he's strong. You would think he could push for yard right. I would like to see Rod Smith get an opportunity to really just play some running back. I mean, you know, short yardage fine, whatever, And that's tough because you're talking about you know, guys with Pro Bowl nods and a thousand yard seasons. I get that. But you know, he showed you a lot in in preseason training camp all the way back to

OTA's and uh, you know. I hope they don't forget about that, because you're never gonna be able to impress anybody if you don't get the opportunity to do so. Just so, I mean, that's something I've got my eye on. The Other thing I'll throw out there on the short yardage, I'd like to see a lot more quarterback sneaks. I think when you have short yardage and you have a

quarterback as strong as him. I know their teams like New England regularly, if they got short yardage, they just plow right in there behind the center or behind the guard, and they get in there for the first down. And their quarterback isn't nearly as fleet footed as as as Prescott. Forget fleet footed, he's a linebacker. He's just a true stock.

Just let him push forward regardless of Zeke. If it's fourth and one or less, I sneak the freak in all, Yeah, I don't that should be a guaranteed yard every time, in my opinion, pushed behind Frederick and let him just push it and get him behind him. But I do agree with that sentiment that obviously, I mean, if Zeke's not there, I mean, the whole passing game Dak receivers, all of them gotta be better, have to be. All right,

let's talk a little bit about this NFC East. As I said for in the first segment, everybody in the NFC East played this last weekend. Every team one, now that Philly, the Philadelphia Eagles to the top of the division at five and one after beating the Carolina Panthers, who were also five and one, I mean four and one at the time. Washington's now three and two, Dallas in third place at two and three, and then Giants pulling up the rear at one and five. They were

only five going into this weekend. But the Giants went into Denver and surprise a lot of people, myself included, I didn't expect to see that kind of game from them. Do you think that was just an aberration? Obviously there were some things that they did that were different, Like they had a new guy plant calling plays. They had a bunch of new guys out there at wide at

the wide receiver position that the teams didn't know. Do you think that those kinds of differences were the reason why they were able to win because Denver, you know, they weren't hadn't seen it on film they they had, we weren't able to prepare for it in the same way, and that do you think that's something that continue or do you think it was just an aberration. That'll be one week and the Giants will go back to being a bad team. You know, they didn't even they didn't

score a whole lot of points. I mean, they don't even score as many points as the Cowboys did up there. So they won with the defense. They scored with the defense. I mean, I believe the Giants scored sixteen points on offense. So the defense was the reason there. The Cowboys don't have that kind of defense, and a lot of teams don't.

I mean, the Giants have it when they when they're playing, they're getting after the quarterback and they're there there there secondary guys are playing really well and going after the ball. They're really tough to beat. And we saw that there and so it allowed the Giants to kind of, you know, play with the lead and and give Eli credit as much as people don't want to do that, you know, I mean, I think right off the top of the show, Chris Collinsworth said they still have Eli Manning, a two

time Super Bowl winning quarterback. And even though these receivers you've never heard of unless they were in the Cowboys camp last year, Ed Egan one had heard of these guys, so he Ed Egan from New Orleans, Louisiana, for whatever that's worth. Right, Sorry, what do you go to college? Northwestern State mcidish Louisiana. It's not Midwestern State, it's Northwestern State. Yeah, yeah, I'll get it confused. Good job for the Giants. They've won less win than the Cowboys, so it's not like

you know they're way back there too. I didn't even think about that. You're right, just one who one and a half. If you can consider that they've already beat him, that sets me up for something. Two things that really annoyed me this weekend. One, I mean that that you're right there, they have one fewer win than the Cowboys, but like everybody's everybody seemed like was freaking out. And it's not good when the whole division wins while you're

not playing. I know that, but everybody's like it doesn't feel good. Every but it doesn't feel good, but does it matter mathematically? Everybody's like they're all they've got one more game ahead of it. Doesn't. It doesn't work that way. They just they took a week off. Everybody else hasn't taken their week off yet. That's all that means. The Redskins have only played what they're three and two now exist, so they took their by. The Eagles haven't taken their by.

They're not two games up on you more so, they just haven't taken their boy. But the part that the part that I think for a fan that probably bummed you out this last weekend was at least two of those games, you felt like there was a legitimate chance that the teams in the division were gonna take a loss. Yeah, you thought that Philly going to play Carolina at Carolina who was just had the exact same record. They very nice. There was a good yeah, it was a good chance

they take a loss there. You were absolutely certain. I don't know anybody that wasn't certain that the Giants were gonna go to Denver and take a loss there and they get a win. So that's the part that was probably more more just surprising for for all these Giants. Win is a good thing for the Cowboys, regardless of what people think. It is a good thing. They're gonna play the Eagles again. They're gonna play the Redskins, They're gonna play some teams. They're gonna be competitive, they're gonna

stay in this thing. And that game up in the Meadowlands in December is not going to be easy and never never was going to be right. And another beautiful segue for me to rant, thank you, because I'm sick of people acting like this is college football. Like remember Dan Hawkins at Colorado ranting like it's the Big twelve. It's the NFL. This is professional football. And no, I did not expect the Giants to go to Denver and beat the Broncos. But everybody's like, how did we lose

to this awful Denver team? The Giants are beating that the Giants lost to the Bucks by three, the Chargers by two, the Eagles by three on a last second sixty one yard field goal. Like it's not like they've just been getting their doors blown off. Yeah, but the only team that has blown the doors off the Giants is the Cowboys. That's the only one. It is professional football. You spend a week telling a team that they suck and they usually respond that way. And also, not only

is everybody incredibly good, just on an individual level. In the NFL, every team also has a ridiculously glaring weakness because the salary cap designs the league that way, so you're one bad game away from looking like that. Trevor Simeon looked amazing against the Cowboys. He looked like crap against the Giants. The Broncos liked their kicker enough to sign to an extension the week they that we went up there. He had even horrible. He's been awful, And

that's just the nature of the NFL. Like if it's college football, where you clearly have your has and your have nots. I get it. I understand that hierarchy, but the fact that people are still surprised by these things in the NFL just baffles me. Yeah, I think I agree with what you're saying, and you're right. Anytime you think you know something for certain in the NFL, it's probably going to go the the way. I get all that, but it was just this was such a huge thing

because it wasn't just the Giants were Owen five. It was the Giants were Owen five, and they lost their top player, then they lost their second wide receiver, then they lost their fourth wide receiver and kick returner and special teams player, and then their third wide receiver is out for this game and maybe a couple more games, and the offensive line has already been bad, but now it's going to face one of the most dominant pass

rushing defenses in the league. All those things set up to say there's no way the Giants go to Denver and get a win, and yet it happened, right, I guess so, Yes, it was a reason for people to be surprised by that. I'm not saying it's not shocking, like I said, I'm not. I wasn't out here last week telling you that the Giants were gonna beat the Bronchos.

But for people to just get all up in arms like it reflects like it's this horrible thing that this Broncos team is actually awful and the Cowboys couldn't beat them and the Giants. That like, crazy stuff happens in the NFL. Because you know what, the guy, the guy that they signed to replace Odell Beckham, I don't even know who he is. He's still good enough to be on an NFL roster. That still means something. He's not Odell Beckham. I mean, you know, does am I crazy? Like?

Am I crazy for thinking that? People are crazy for thinking that's crazy? That's I went like three deep right there. I just don't understand why with the Giants, why does that even matter to see the Cowboys? So like what the Giant like, what does that mean that that they won the game? I mean because it puts them one game closer to catching the Cowboys, especially if the Cowboys, you know, don't handle their business. Well, Nick, you know why it matters. It matters because fans just don't want

to see teams in the division win. That's why it matters matters to the Cowboys. And I mean, at the end of the day, it's just they don't want to see the Giants ever win. They don't want to see the Eagles ever win unless they're playing each other. And you want the team with the worst record to win, right, And that's that's the only thing that matters. The point is that they the Giants are not gonna give up.

And so they're gonna play and they're gonna play some teams here, and they're gonna beat some teams and it's gonna it's gonna start even and out because the Eagles are the Eagles that franchisees. That's if that franchise is still sitting up there, they're still gonna They're gonna come down to Earth and they're gonna be the Eagles like they've always been. I don't know if I despise that rationale. I don't care. I mean, I don't care. I mean when if they ever won, I mean that they're hot

right now, they're playing well, they're defense. Did the Cubs ever win? Okay, for not for one hundred years and then they did. I mean that's not a good that. That's not a good rationale, Like what past results are not an indicator of future results. And they're not even same guys like I mean, they're led by quarterback now, Like they haven't had a good quarterback since McNab left. So they got a good quarterback, they really do. He's playing well. I just think that that in this league.

I mean, you just said it yourself that the Giants like barely, I mean lost to the Eagles. They needed a sixty one yard field goal to win. So it's not like the Eagles are just running over everybody. Oh no, and they they won that game the other day from two tipped in interceptions inside the twenty yard line and they were able to score from there. I mean, it's not like they weren't up and down the field and mall the But you know, I think that's they are

playing well. I think that's the point there is they're just as good as you say their offense is. Their defense is playing really really well. So but when you play with fire like that, you are gonna get burned, and they will. They'll start losing. I guarantee you they will lose two in a row at some point, and maybe even three in a row this year. They will. They're just the way it's worked that you they haven't been playing that impressively to just keep running the table.

It doesn't work like that. You'll they'll come back and they'll lose. I'm not saying they won't win the division or make the playoffs. I'm just saying that this isn't like fourteen and two, thirteen and three football team. They're gonna probably go ten and six. I think the same thing could have been said about the Cowboys at this point last year. People were like, at some point they're

gonna be the Cowboys. They're gonna lose two, and they were in the pointoffs in the playoffs though, but I think during the regular season they were a thirteen and three team. And I'm saying this Eagles team is showing sign that they're a good team. Their defense is good, their offense is good. They just have a good team. And so I won't take anything away from it. I'm

not taking it away from I'm just saying that. And I don't believe I think history does repeat itself, and I think that there's there's They're not set up to be a thirteen and three football team. They're not that they'll They'll probably go ten and six to eleven and five. I don't I don't agree with Nick's rationale, as I already said, but at the end of the day, I agree with what he's saying because I was talking about

this on Twitter the other night. If you look around the NFC in light of Aaron Rodgers injury, there isn't a team out there that I'm just like, well, yeah, like I agree with that they're gonna have the one seed locked up by Christmas, you know, Like, I don't think it's gonna be that way. I would be surprised if there's a thirteen or fourteen win team in the NFC this year, just based on what we've seen through the first season, there's no team that's dominant right now.

That's my point. Yeah, there's no team that's done. And if there is a thirteen wins whoever it is, if they get hot and like the Cowboys did and then last year they just kind of keep winning, keep winning these close games. Let's say it is Philadelphia or somebody. Nobody in the in the playoffs is going to be afraid of them going to Philly and winning or going anywhere whoever the top team is, No one's No one's afraid of anybody because they don't have a guy like

Aaron Rodgers, right right, Yeah. I mean that's that's why you get afraid of playing a team, is because there's that one player that you're like, I just don't have an answer for this guy, no doubt. And with Aaron Rodgers out, I don't know if there's a team in the NFC where you got that one player you like, I don't have an answer for her. It's it's a it's a bummer. Yeah you're gonna say that, but I

thought you were. Did you say the Falcons. I mean maybe the Falcons, but do you feel like that about about their guy Ryan Well, I mean, I'm just saying if you had to go up and play them, like I'm talking about in the playoffs, you have to go up there and play them, that that's that would be that would be a challenge. That's probably the scariest thing in the NFC right now, is what you say, yeah, just because they'll they'll get back on track and they'll

get going. I mean, they're getting beat by AFC teams at home right now. So, by no means am I trying to close the book on the Cowboys season. Unlike Brian Roddis, who I argued with and said, he said it's over, that we might as well start the draft everything. If you'd been on this show with Brian and Nate yesterday, you would have thought the Cowboys were two and ten, like it was unbelievable. Those two guys take it personal those but you can see that by no means in

my closing the book on their season. But when you think about that, it is disappointing that they haven't been better to this point. And I'm I love Aaron Rodgers, I love Watchington play. I don't want him to be hurt, but this is a huge opportunity for somebody to take advantage of if he's done for the year, and right now the Cowboys don't look like they're in a great

position to do that so hopefully. But I thought you just said that you don't think it's a huge it's not necessarily you're not ready, right This team on a running back, right, No, but they have not looked like a team so far that it is capable because of other things, not just a running back. Everything. Zeke's not playing like Zeke. The offensive line hadn't been good, the defense is terrible. Like this doesn't look like a playoff team right now. I'm not saying they still can be.

You get better as the season goes along, but you can't sit here at two and three after five games and say that this team looks like they're capable of contending. We're gonna go and take our final break. When we come back, we're gonna get some phone calls, you guys. Give us a call the numbers two one four eight seven two twenty one O two again two one four eight seven two twenty one oh two, or hit us

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not your weggies or something like. That's wrong with that? I don't know, just like you haven't said worse I have but we are not comfortable. True story, Amber, One those just saying she's not wrong. She's not wrong, not wrong at all. Tommy Johns doesn't give you weggies right, damn right. I don't know about it, but you guys should. You're right about that, Amber, You're very right. All right, we're gonna get into the phone calls. Let's get a

phone call. We got a call from Reggie in Germany. Reggie, what up? Hey, Reggie checking in from Germany again? What's up? Guys? All right? Amber? Oh god, Okay, listen, I'm gonna throw a whole bunch of stuff at you guys real quick. Okay. Um, First of all, I think this is the second half of this season is gonna it's really shaping to be really exciting. You know, you got the Redskins the game and a half out over the Eagles. If they played Eagles this weekend, they win that game, there only a

half a game out. If we played real serious ball the second half of the season, we're in it. I agree with Nick. You know, we we could, we could still do this. Um, and the Giants is gonna play some ball. They're going to close the gap with some things here and as I see the Eagle schedule. They got the Broncos. Still, they got the Seahawks, they got the Grams, they got the Raiders. Those are some some tough ball games. And so we can still do this

if we if we play some ball. UM, you know, maybe if we think about Navarro Bowman coming in, I don't know if you know he had thought about that, UM picking him up, maybe there'll be some help at the linebacker spot. UM. My real belief is that we need to get Lyo Collins back at guard at some point in time. Maybe not this season. I don't know. I don't know if it's gonna happen this season, but maybe next year. He's a beast of guard. You know, he's he's doing okay at a tackle because he's just

a quality player. But I think we need a guard. UM. And those two thoughts that I have right now, I just to throw all that out you how did you guys? God blessed? And one last thing, you know, I know it's off topic, but I'm really worried about what's going on in the locker room in the context of what Jerry kind of threw out there and throw grenade in the locker room with his comments. I don't know what

we're doing there. I don't know if you guys have any comments to say about that, if you even want to touch that, But that's my comment. Okay, I'm out, all right, Thanks for the call. There were a couple of things he said there that I don't think have a likelihood of happening. Obviously, the Navarro Bowman thing is not going to happen. He is assigned to the Oakland Raiders,

which makes a whole lot of sense. To be honest with you, I kind of think this is one of those situations where you kind of accept and offer from another team to come visit so that you can go to the Raiders and say, hey, if we leave it without a deal, we're heading somewhere else and they may give us a deal, and that just kind of gives them more impetus to get a deal done before you leave the building. It makes sense for him, he say, he keeps his family in the same area, and you

know we're running right. I don't think he was going to sign with the Cowboys. I don't either. I think that was again, I think it was it was an option for him to be able to make the Raiders want to do a deal quicker right, right. But that being said, also Lyle Collins thing, I mean, at this point, that's water unto the bridge. That's not gonna change. I don't even think it's going to change in the future. I think they are they are committed to the fact

that he is going to be the right tackle. You guys agree with that. When was he a beast at guard because he pulled and not the safety for the for the Seahawks or a linebacker. I mean he can still do that at tackle. I mean when was he really beastly at guard? Because they were one of the worst teams in the league in short yardage situations, they were considerably better when Leary got there. Of course, Zeke got there too, so that he hasn't blocked it guarded

behind with Zeke. I understand that, But I just don't remember him being a beast at guard. I think he his body type and his quick feet, I think he is a better tackle. He'll get better there. You remember Doug Free played ten years. He didn't play for the first three years of his career. You have to it takes some time. He's learning on the run. He'll be fine at tackle. I don't think he's going to be I don't think he would be even be better at guard.

You know, we talk about expectations a lot on this show. If the Cowboys would have gotten Lyle Collins of the first round pick, they did not because he dropped dropped. Obviously, they ended up getting him as a free agent. But if he would have been a first round pick, do you think that there would be talk that he has

been not a bust. Yeah, but it has been a lot less than what they expected from a first round pick, especially thinking about the other three first round picks they have on that offensive line and what they've done really starting in their first years and they first got plugged in, all three of them immediately had some success. Yeah, Lyle, not quite right. Probably it wouldn't have been moved though. You drafted him and tackle, you wouldn't have. You have

to meant guard. You would have drafted him in and tackle and you would have played there, and he would have stayed there, because that's how you have to justify your pick. So he would have you know, he might have been better, you know, playing This has been a year at tackle. If you can rewind this thing, because it's funny, you know. We report what we're told more often, like more so than our opinions, you know, And for forever the Cowboys front office was like, we like him

at guard. We like him at guard, and so that's what we say. We're like, they like him at guard, they're gonna leave him there, and then they change their mind. Honestly, if you know, going rewinding it back to January or February, I would have been intrigued to see what the offensive line would look like with Lyle playing left guard and Chaz Green playing right tackle, but they decided that they wanted to play him at tackle. He has been way better than he's gotten credit for, in my opinion. If

you go watch the games, you can see that. And you know, as much as I don't like to admit it, the concerns about Chaz Green's durability have been confirmed again, I guess is the word I'm looking for. So as having said that, having said that, I would have liked to have seen that. I don't have a problem with the decision at all. And I think he's been better than he's gotten credit for, and I think he will continue to get better and that will be a good thing.

In the long run, people are just very impatient, don't you think they were also scared off and it's being it's kind of beared out to be true, but they were scared of maybe placing him at guard and putting Chaz Green a tackle because of the fact that they were afraid of his durability from side. They have any other options? I think if Chads go down to tackle, you don't have a lot of other options. He goes down to guard, you've got a few options. All of

the factors. The Cowboys have been justified at many turns in that decision because like Lyle has played pretty well in my opinion, and Chads Green has had problems staying on the field. So you know the fact that your tackle spot is solid, but you've got questions at guard. I think that's preferable, and so like a, yeah, I would have liked to have seen that combination, like I just said, but I don't fault them at all for what they did, and I think it's working out pretty

well so far. All right, let's take a question from Twitter. So if the whole scene suspension does come into fact and he keeps going forward like that, do you guys think that Switzer will get more action in the slot with Beastley, I hope. So that's I thought about that because the conundrum has been, well, who you've taken off the field to put Switzer on, and it's probably gonna

be Jason Witten or Zeek. So now you think instead of maybe going to eleven personnel, especially when they go empty eleven, now what they do is they just have a tight end, no running back and an extra wide receiver. You theoretically could or and we've seen Switzer motion in the backfield a couple of times as well. I think, you know, I'm not trying to anoint the guy because he hasn't done anything to deserve that yet. And the biggest play, the most meaningful play of his season so far,

as a muffed punt. But you know, he's a he's a shifty guy, he looks dynamic with the ball in his hands, and I think it would be a shame not to again, kind of like what I said about Rod Smith, give you know, it'd be a shame not to give him the opportunity to do something with that. So maybe a silver lining of this is that you can find more ways to get him onto the field. This is kind of hard to answer, but do you guys think think that the Cowboys address everything that needed

to be addressed during this bye week? Kind of wish Navarro Bowman was on the team, but be nice address, I mean, I mean, I don't think there's a good way to answer that until you see him play another game. I think Sean Lee coming back to good health, Anthony Hitchins getting another week, Cheeto getting a week. I mean, all those things sound good and hopefully it leads to better results for your defense, but you also may have lost your running back. Yeah, there's that too, and offsets

those things for sure that are kind of positive. Although sorry, go ahead, they'll probably be a roster move today. I would imagine they'll they'll, I mean, the interesting part about this situation is Zeke is off the roster and on the suspension list. But you can't just go and just replace him right now because you might be it might be back. But that's why this is going down today

at one thirty UM, So they'll have that spot. I think they have another spot open too, with maybe with Paya being on injured reserve UM slash retire or whatever whatever list, they decided to put him on, but they'll have two spots open too, So I mean, if they wanted to sign Bowman, they'll probably sign some linebacker. I would imagine, you know, to to help or the then you know, maybe call up one of those young tackles, Richard ash or Lewis Neil maybe or Paya. It's an idea. Yeah,

that's true, could help. Um. It's funny because it reminds me of a preseason debate that I had with brought us like it got really animated too, which was, when does it not right? Would you rather try to make this offense work without Zeke or try to make this defense work without Lee? So you're gonna get a good look at it now, I mean, so you know, let

you rather have Lee on the defense. I actually, I will say I argued that I'd way rather have Zeke because going back to what I've said time and time again, you're only going You're only as good as your offense is, and your offense isn't as good without him. But but what we saw, what we saw when Lee was not playing, is that this defense is so bad that even if you score thirty plus, you're not necessarily going to get a win. I will gladly eat microw. We're gonna get

to see it. It looks like, assuming Zeke is suspended and Lee is healthy, we're going to get to see what this looks like where your best defenders playing and you're trying to make it work with your other running backs. And if it turns out that they're actually better in that situation, then I'll gladly admit I was wrong. The thing is the drop off between Zeke and say how Fred Morris or a dear McFadden, whichever one you want to plug in, and then Sean Lee versus Jalen Smith.

I guess at this point, I think the drop between those two is vastly different. I think the linebacker position is a much bigger drop between one to two than there is at the running back Jayalen was playing anyways, you know, but you know, justin Durant it has been playing more. I mean that's really the drop off. I think Sean leads to Durant because Jalen Smith was out there. Yeah, but I think the problem is the more weeks that Jalen is playing a huge number of plays, the more

we've seen him get exposed. And so I think if you if you're gonna get good play out of him this year while he's returning and getting himself back into it and that, and again, as far as last I've heard, he still didn't have one hundred percent feeling in that leg. So with all that being said, I still think that, you know, Jalen is still if you're gonna put him out there as a starter and play him sixty seventy plays,

I think that's gonna be a problem for you. Anthony Hitchins is nowhere near as good of a player as Sean Lee, but I don't think you can underestimate how big it is having him back alongside Sean Lee, because now you've got an all pro playing with a competent, uninjured starter as opposed to a rookie who's not one hundred percent healthy who's still trying to feel his way. I think that having having leadback is huge, but having both of them back, I think that's what really matters.

After taking a week off and being able to analyze this team. What is still the biggest area of concern for you guys? Easily safety for me, And that was what it was a week ago, it's what it still is now. What do you guys think probably stopping the run, you know, I mean, just which they play into that a little bit. Yeah, I think I answer this question. We answered this on Thursday for the gut feeling. And my biggest concern is the fact that they're not making

any plays on turnovers. They're not getting any turnovers. That could be the safeties aren't doing anything that could be that. They're not ripping the ball out and not getting picks. And I get enough pressure, you know, and I know they have the sack leader, but you know, what was it? What is it doing? I mean, I mean he's caused one fumble that led to a touchdown in Denver, but that's really it. So for turnovers, So they need more

tour over somehow, some way, they need more turnovers. I think I said in that story that I thought it was the offensive line in the ground game, and that was before I knew that Ezekiel Elliott would be suspended. So I mean that's definitely concerning. And I said, I'm not ready to write them off. But you know, for the millionth time, I think this team is only as good as their offense, and I know that their defense

is bad. I get that, and they do need to be able to stop the run, and they haven't caused enough turnovers. But if their offense is one dimensional and can't move the ball, then it doesn't None of that matters. You know, I maybe being a naive. I probably am

to some degree. I just always assume that, assuming Zeke wasn't going to be suspended, that as a season war on the running game would get going because I just felt like, with this offensive line, you got two pieces that are new, it was going to take some time for them to really jail. I expected that over time they'd get better and by the time you hit the midway point, they'd be in a stride. And that's what she really wants. You want them to be in a

stride by the end. I think everything changes if Zeke's not there. That doesn't mean the running game goes to nothing, but I think it does change because you're not going to have that explosive guy to running back position that you that you once had. Yep, move Crawford back to defensive tackle. Does it matter? Well, I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to be right. What I'm just saying, I don't know that he was when he was at tackle. He wasn't He wasn't making game changing type plays at

defensive end. He's not really making game changing type plays. So I don't know if it makes a huge difference. Where do you need him? Like do you need where do you need a body? He's a steady guy, he's a solid guy, but going to Knick's point, he's not going to get you a ton of turnover no matter where you put him. Right As of right now, don't they only have two full fledged defensive tackles on the roster.

That's my problem, which is why I think I would expect that either Richard ass or a Richard ash or Lewis Neil will probably be called up at some point just because you need I mean, you need somebody there, so somebody needs to play tackle. It can be Tyron Crawford, it can be Lewis and need Collins, Brian Price. You don't call You don't think that that's where Urban's got. I think Iran's okay. Yeah, I mean, well, you know you've got Irving, Tyrone and even Taco that can do both.

So I mean, yeah, I know you have tackles there. But that's my point is full fledged no questions asked, did he play defensive end this last game? I thought the only time I saw him was at tack out, and that's fine. Probably, yeah, I would think that you still have Crawford moving back and forth a little bit depending on the play. Taco will be there, but but they probably could use someone else. I mean, because now they have five down and Tapper, so maybe I'm missing

a guy. I got Lawrence and Mayo, Mayowa and and Taco. Who what? Who else is playing end? I guess Crawford. So so either Crawford plays tackle on you another end, or Crawford plays end and you need another tackle. And since you have two defensive tackles on the practice squad and no ends, right, probably makes more sense to do that. I was going over all day, guys in my head, I'm like, is it bad that I kind of forgot about Taco? That's bad. Yeah, it's not good. I'm not good.

It's actually really not good. All right, We appreciate you, guys, Joan us. We're back tomorrow nine thirty at our normal time. When tomorrow we'll get into a little bit more talk between Cowboys and San Francisco forty nine ers at games this Sunday until then for Nick Eatn, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagles and this has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Taco. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club