Cowboys Break: Are They Done?

the latest edition of The Break. We are live Nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. Are you looking like that you didn't know this episode one? I guess we didn't started. We did start the new calendar year, right, Mike. Yeah, we're going We're going back to the numbers. What I'm just kidding? What numbers? Bro? You mean like the Jersey numbers. I mean, you got a one? You want to throw it out there? No, I don't know who the number one is gonna be this year, so it'll be interesting.

There'll be some people fighting for it if they're not already. Really yeah, number one, it's no, it's the number one. I mean everybody wants that. They still want it. That's what they They're not too far removed from college where that's a big deal. So yeah, yeah, I would imagine I would. I don't I really don't know this. I would think Tony Pollard, Kelvin Joseph, those guys they had it in college. Oh well, Tony did have it in college, right,

you know somebody will get into it. Yeah, all right, Um, we got a lot of stuff we're gonna talk about today. We're gonna talk about some of these recent signings, talk about some big picture stuff around the defense and offense and where they have to go from here, knowing what's

happened so far in free agency. Uh. And then we might, if we have enough time, we might start a little bit, a little bit extra this week of getting ready for draft to have a couple of these guys give us some of their thoughts on guys that they think could possibly be there at twenty four. We'll do that over the next four or five weeks getting ready for the draft, and let you guys know what thoughts are, what thoughts we have around those players that might be there. Let's

start first of the recent signings. I'm gonna throw out a name, and then you guys, tell me what's the deal and tell me your thoughts on the deal. We'll go around the table when you guys can talk about it. Let's start first with Dante Fowler. He was signed by the Cowboys. What were your thoughts on that deal? What was the deal first of all? And what were your thoughts on him? I don't I don't even remember the numbers. Honestly. I thought it was one, three, Yeah, all I know

it was all underneath fourteen, like combined. That's what I know. The Dante Fowler move is is it was a pivot move um after you know Randy situation, and then they they were like, all right, we're gonna get Drans, We're gonna get another guy. And you know, this is a this is a dan Quinn type signing of somebody that he's coveted two other times in his life, and uh, this is the third time that he got him in. So I think he's he's just a another pass rusher,

another body who's had some potential. I mean, he's had some big years at times. But you know, we'll see how they use them here. We can just put all of this under the same umbrella like they reached under the table and grabbed the big old Dallas Cowboys Free Agency playbook with the star on it and opened it up and they're just following it page by page. Don after Randy. Yeah, yeah, because the Randy thing was like, we're just gonna do this, and then this is this

is not smart, but we're gonna do it. And then then and it was gonna mess up everything else. It was gonna That was why that thing was under the table. But once Randy did that, then it's like, we'll go back to what we I would argue that the Randy thing would have fit under the purview of what they do, considering resigning your own not breaking the bank to do it,

but a deal that both sides can agree on. And they pivoted to signing about five guys with the money instead, But like resigning your own player at not top of the market still fits under what they prefer to do in my opinion. But anyway, yeah, I mean Dante Fowler was a top five pick. He hasn't achieved that potential. They love signing guys like that. They've done it the whole time I've been here. I don't really have any comments.

I'm like, sorry, it's like, you get these guys. We got a new guy that's how time here and he comes here, he does an interview. I forgot with who. I don't know if it was with Britt or they do the interview. He sounds excited, you know, everybody that comes here, it's like, yeah, I've always wanted to play here. It's exciting, and you're just at least me, I'm just sitting here. I'm like, Okay, you seem like a nice guy. I like you so far. Okay, let's see what you do.

That's that's good that you're happy. I'm glad you're happy. I'm not happy just yet. You know, like, right now, I'm just having a hard time. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't be excited or should be excited either way, but it's just one of those things that right now, yes, good at some depth, get ready for the draft, to back yourself up where you're not having completely holes, like full on holes in your list. But at the same time, I mean, I'm not excited. Well, let me ask you this.

They also added Dorance Armstrong. Do you think that at this point they have enough at defensive end to be able to keep Michael Parsons where they want him, which is kind of a guy that's kind of roaming around playing linebacker. Or do you think they're still they still need more and he provides that more at defensive end. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the strategy that I would move forward with. I mean, Michael Parsons is going to rush the passer. I don't care if they don't have

anybody else. He's going to do it and he should do it. Not full time, but they have enough here to allow him to continue to be a versatile player. I said this yesterday Zadarius Smith signed in Minnesota. You can't look at the and I want to be clear, I don't think the Cowboys pass rush is great as it's currently constructed. But I look out at the free agent market and I don't see anybody that's worth splashing that kind of money on that's going to make it

significantly better. Maybe what did that opinion change once Zadarius Smith got signed or when he was still out there At the same thing, I might have signed Zadarius Smith, although the money that he got was pretty impressive for a guy that missed the entire season with a back injury. I don't know that I would have been excited about that deal for the money and the same you know, Clowney's still out there again. Return on investment? What is

that JPP had offseason surgery. He's been in the league for like twelve years at this point. What's your ROI there? I just think I would rather spend that kind of going back to Nick's point, I'd rather spend that money on three or four other maybe decent players at other spots than try to recapture that magic. And you got Fowler, Dorrence, Tank Basham and Chauncey Golston. Yeah, fine, you're fine. Then you add Mica to that and hope that it can

be better than fine. Right, And the saving grace to me is that we still have dan Quinn and until proven otherwise, based on what he showed us last year and what he did with free agent guys, I still have hope and I believe that he can show us and give us a lot more than what these guys have done around the NFL so far. And that's included with Randy Gregory. I mean, like Gregory, his best season was last year. We don't know for sure if he can do it without dan Quinn. I mean, obviously people

think that he can. Denver thought he could, but you know, he exceeded expectations, just like Micah Parsons did, just like Dorrence Armstrong did the Curse. There's a lot of people that had their best season last year, and so you know, well, only time will tell on all that. Nick, you you had told me in some conversations we'd had that you were kind of interested in a guy like this guy, guy like Jadevian Clowney. Do you think that maybe that was a that would have been a better signing than

maybe Dante Fowler. Well, Clowney is really more of a I mean, I wouldn't say he's just a run stopper, but he is a pretty good run stopper. He's similar, I think to DeMarcus Lawrence. And maybe you don't want him to be your best pass rusher, but he's probably a well rounded defensive end. I kind of liked that route. They his name has never come up, so I don't know. I don't know whether they didn't like it obviously, but

I don't think they ever have. But that was I don't know, I mean I would, but I mean I would think, you know, he probably a lot more expensive than Dorance Armstrong and Dorance. He's kind of that guy. It's kind of a pornman's Clowney, I guess. I mean, and I don't say this as in a bad way. I get maximize your profits, my dude, But like Clowney is, Clowney has like a mercenary attitude, which is fine, which is again fine, but he's not I want to wear at the star on my helmet and take less money

to work with Lynton. No, He's like, No, somebody eventually will give me ten million a year or whatever it is that I'm looking for. It'll happen, even if it takes me until I get to wait until August, if I have to. Yeah. Like, he's demonstrated that attitude with his last two or three teams, and so the Cowboys don't typically strike deals with those types of guys. Yeah, all right, let's talk about late Vanderish linebacker. He signs a one year deal. What are your thoughts on bringing

Layton back this year? I mean, I like it because of what it does from Micah, I mean, more depth you have at linebackers, guys that you're okay putting out there, the more it'll free things up for him. I think the money, you know, it's unfortunate what happened to him. I thought one of the teams or a couple of teams kind of screwed him over, honestly, but that's the

way the marketing. But well, I think I think there were deals in place, very close to agreed, and then it then they switched gears on him, and it just kind of you know, I think he was thinking it was going to go one way and then next thing you know, it's not. And then money drives up kind of quick and his number goes down dramatically. But you know, it's all on tape. I mean that they had a lot of time, teams had a lot of time to study this, and so I think he's a fit for

certain teams and certain games. There's gonna be some games where the teams run the ball a lot, and I think Layton will be a bigger factor. I don't think it was a coincidence that his opinion, one of his best games last year was a San Francisco and so when games like that happen, he can help. When he's chasing receivers and tight ends all over the field, it's not going to be great. So I think, you know, I think gone or the days where he's the all

Pro first round pick howling all over the stadium. I think that's gone. But I think he can still have a value there and he could be a really solid player and at times he can be a really good player. Yeah, I mean it feels different because he played here, he has always played here, and he's a first round pick, so you've kind of view it through that prism. But like strip that away and it's a Dallas Cowboys signing covers your tracks, so you're not forced to draft a

linebacker early. You have a veteran who can do it. He's not going to light the world on fire, probably, but you're not paying him that way anyway. Pair. I mean, so between Micah Layton and Jabril Cox, you have like three that you feel okay about. I'd like to see them out another one, but before the draft, Like, it doesn't have to be Keyan O'Neil. Apparently he's switching back to safety anyway. Yeah, it doesn't have to be Keyan O'Neil.

It could be somebody else, but I'd like to see them bring in somebody else again, Gifford's back now, right, Yeah, he knows that, Derek. He's also saying somebody else. I just thought I'd like to see them bring in somebody else. But again it's they're again, they're following the playbook. They just they're doing what they can to not panic about

the positions on their roster so that they can draft purely. Ever, I hate, like you mentioned Luke Giffer, but now it's like I hate when someone gets me excited and then nothing happens. Like that's another guy that I liked the moment he stepped here and I saw him a training game. That used to be like you were like, okay, yeah, yeah, because he like physically he has what you would want in a linebacker and he fit the mold of that linebacker.

So he gave me a lot of whole and I was like enthusiastic about him and really wanted to see what the Cowboys could get out of him, and it just never really happened. And he's had a few injuries that just sidelined him, but it's just it's it's unfortunate.

And then and you can go back to Laton Venderish, another guy that comes in here, Shawnee gets hurt, he steps in, takes the role, becomes that guy had an amazing rookie year and then all of a sudden, because of injuries, again, his game kind of changes and you're not You're left to not seeing all that from him anymore. Like it just hasn't happened. I feel like his game has to been declining since when he should really be trending upwards, and it's just it's just not but this

kind of signing, it's fine. I'm not. I'm neutral right now. I'm just like if money wise, you know, it's like, okay, what if he what if there's a guy out there that was you know, he's played three or four years and he's made a Pro Bowl, and you know he's a second round pick and he's out there and he's posting pictures on the Instagram of his nu chiseled body. Would you sign him? You know? Dyalen Smith? Oh, Jalen, I'm about Wagner. Yeah, Like I said, second round pick,

I was thinking Wagner. I was like, he's been to more than a Pro Bowl. Those you follow him on Instagram just checking him out, his body. I've seen it. I've seen a lot of people talking about it, like, look, really, I haven't even I've not seen a single Pete person tweet about that. I mean, I thought he was still under contract. I did too, but I didn't. All the comments said signed this guy, signed this guy. I don't know, not not all the comments. Some of the comments. Some

of them were like swipe, Cliff swipe. You shouldn't know what that is. I just think, oh, sorry, I mean, I'm looking at it. I mean, and and again, none of these names are like light in the world on fire. I don't they're not getting Bobby Wagner. I'm sorry to those of y'all that think that's going to happen unless he brings his price way down. Um agents a problem. Gerard Davis, the former first round pick who was with the Lions. Rashaun Evans, another former first round pick. Yeah,

just keep signing these disappointing first round picks. That's winning strategy. Well, but you know, with a guy like Quinn, I don't mind those kind of picks, because that's where you might be able to find a guy. Again. If you're take the strategy, which I don't know if I love the strategy, but if you're taking the strategy we're going low budget, then you'd rather take a shot on somebody that maybe at some point someone thought could play. I'm not going

I'm not. If you're looking for over the top optimism, you're not going to get it here. But it is a strategy that has paid off more than once. I mean, Rulando mcclan comes to mind, got some great production out of him for a short time. I know there have been more. I'm drawing him playing Colombo a you're talking about just in general or a lightbacker. No, just like failed high picks that came here and kind of resuscitated themselves. Yeah,

there's there's more, but you get my point. Yeah. Absolutely. Now let me ask you guys this question. Do you think at all that Leonard Davis we get to Yeah, we get to the middle of this season, and because my personal opinion is I think by middle of this season, jabrol Cox, if not earlier, jabrol Cox is going to be your starter with Mica. You guys see the same thing. Or do you think that this in any way affects that them resigning Latin for this year, for this year

of one year? I mean, I really hope. So I have high hopes for what Jabril Cox can be. But we didn't. I mean, we taught if you go back to last train camp or like it's gonna be a four to a round pick, you can't get any snaps. What the hell is going on? We just we don't know that much about him. We know the potential he's His skill set is fantastic for the modern day NFL in the sense that he's good in coverage. He's athletic,

he moves much quicker than your average linebacker. Yeah, I mean, I hope that he can grab a starting job, but I'm not ready to just give it to him, especially he's not done with his ACL rehab as far as I'm aware, what do we expect him back to anything. I'm not falling into that trap anymore, and I'm not trying to sit on the fence. But so, I mean, he injured it week six, which it's an eight month recovery.

You would think that's plenty of time. Blake Jarwin wasn't one hundred percent ready for training camp after getting hurt in week one. Meanwhile, Demante Casey, who tears as achilles in like week five, is ready for the entire offseason program. It's there's no, it's not a boiler plate answer, but tearing your ACL in week six should give you a wonderful chance to be ready for training camp in general. All right, um, let's go on and talk real quick

about the latest signing. Carlos Watkins. He was just signed, I guess today, or at least that's the report that he's been signed defensive tackle, which to me is a kind of an unheralded, pretty good signing for the Cowboys. What do you got thoughts on this? Yeah, I think if you realize that it's you know, and then it goes to the Gifford thing too. I mean, if you looked at the big board of one to ninety players and realize how everything goes, I mean, those slots have

to be filled, and that's what it is. I mean, they're not all gonna be. Oh, this guy is not gonna be a pro bowler, Carlos Watkins, but he's but you know, you need five or six defensive tackles that you trust, and he's one of them in it and

he's probably the most trustworthy of that group. Yeah. I thought I thought he was a good signing last year, and I don't know, exactly what the money is so this year, but I'm sure it's sure, it's not crazy, and you know, I think it's It's one of those guys that's good to have because you don't as good as we think Gallamore can be and Tristan Hill maybe and Osa they're still young and they haven't always been reliable because they haven't been available. And I one thing

Carlos Watkins probably gives you. He's probably the third best signing last year behind Jern Curse and Brian Anger. I thought he was he was a useful member of this team. I don't know the money, but like Nick said, I guarantee you it's not huge. I would pencil him in as you're starting one teak one technique right now, as long as they don't do something crazy like draft Jordan Davis, which would be fun. But yeah, no, I pencil him asn't damn it. I can't talk. Pencil him in as

a starter, and I feel fine about that. Yeah, I like that move. Yeah, very solid guy. And this is gonna be terrible, But I kind of really forgotten a little bit about him in free agency now until this weekend and then today, and you're like oh yeah, wait, wait a minute, Yes, that's a good guy to have back. So, yes, he was someone that I was forgetting about, but very very happy that he's back. Solid guy for you guys.

That's also the kind of player he is, Like I remember there have been a number of times that I've been watching games and somebody makes a play and I'm like, who is that, And I'm like, Oh, that's that's Walkings. Yeah, you know, he's that kind of player, Like he just he contends to just be in the mix and makes a play. Like I think he's a not always a bad thing, No, it's not. He's I think he's a very solid player for them and doesn't get that same level of credit that a lot of people get, But

I think he's a very solid signing for them. Had thirty two tackles last year as a guy that like isn't known for his pass rush ability. He had seventy four and four years in Houston, thirty two last year. Yeah, so I think you know this, this scheme works for what he does clearly and went to the house he did. Yeah,

scored one of the twenty two to score a touchdown. Yeah, one of the few times that didn't that happen in the game we were on the sideline there then, Yeah, one of the first times we were on the sideline this year. Yeah, during the at the end of the game. Um, yeah, Brian Anger punter back. We'll see pretty Yeah. I did put that out there. Nick put that out there, though, I credit to you. It's a good stat Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't do well in these first year.

This is the third time now he's had a three year deal and the first year after he gets paid it doesn't go so well. So let's that's why he's been cut. He I don't think he's made it to the second year of the of those deals. But I've said it a bunch of times. We'll say it again. He knows the value of playing with with um, you know John Fossil and his scheme. His scheme is very good for punters, uh, and those stats and the averages.

I think C. J. Goodwin is also good for a punter because he can get down their fast and fair catch and it helps your net. So I think this is a good place. The money obviously wasn't great. I said that, well, it's it's pretty expensive. I mean, he's in the top five or six on average for three million year. It's a big number for a punter. But my thing is, if he plays like he did last year,

that's well worth three million dollars. Like what he does for you in field position and the way that Bones can work with him, that's well worth three million dollars. And if it's not, I get cutting a punter is not going to kill your caps, like, oh we have a one point eight dead cap charge, Like, oh no, what was us? And the other thing too, is I like people I cry in better dreaming about that kind of money. Oh well yeah, I mean that's covering the

NFL in a nutshell. Is just numbing yourself to how much money we're just casually talking about. But no, I was gonna say, like, I feel like anybody there's there's a level of dissatisfaction with how much they're paying their punter, and I just I'm people are like, oh, that money could be going towards Bobby Wagner. I'm like, well, that was never gonna go toward Bobby Wagner, So why not just signed the very good punter that you had, Like it's it's fine. Three million dollars is not going to

make or break your playoff hopes. He is a punter that does not kickoffs when you still have don't have a kick, You don't really have a kicker that you that you trust right now. I don't know if you will have a kicker that you trust, but but not every team has no But just you know, just be prepared. They're gonna sign a kicker here probably in the next few weeks and maybe a few days. You've been setting everybody up and it's somebody that you've been disappointed and coming.

Would that change Would that really change things for I'm gonna direct this to you, Derek. Would that change things for you of what you think of a guy like Greg Serlin if he wants to come back here just on a cheaper deal. That doesn't I mean, I'll tell you this, Like right now, I don't know that there's a lot in free agency that makes me say no,

that's absolutely better than Greg's rline. But I would have a problem if they signed him and that's all they do when they go into next season with him as a starter. I still think there should be draftable kickers that you think about in this year's draft that you would possibly bring in if nothing else has competition, and

then see where it debts out. I do not go into training camp with Gregson Zerline being non kicker on my U if they should resign him, that's not gonna be the only kicker on my roster if I were making that, because money never factors into kickers. When when they go up to kick, you expect him to make it. I mean, espress an extra point. It doesn't matter if it's like, well that's what you get with a you

expect the kicker to make it. I'm not I'm not dissatisfied with Zerline because he's pulling in three and a half mill I'm looking at how much money man, because he ain't making dissatisfied because every other time he lines up to make a kick it doesn't go in right because he makes me sit in my seat during extra points. Well, I guess I was trying to look at it from I want to go to the restaurant. What are we doing?

I guess I was starting to look at it from like their perspective of like, you know how they're trying to always get bargains here and there. It's like, okay, well, at least we know what we got in him. We know how he was last year, but he's a lot cheaper for us this year. Bring him back and then just kind of because they have done that a lot of times where they just yeah, we'll stick with this guy it was cheap, and then I'm you said it perfectly, Derek.

If that's what they wind up doing, if they bring Greg's their line back on a cheaper deal, that's totally fine with me, as long as I don't have to listen to bones talk about how he deserves to be the only guy to hold the job. Like you got four or four, you got four fifth round picks. You're telling me one of those can't be a kicker. I don't even care if it's the LSU kid. Just bring somebody in, somebody, I don't care to somebody, somebody you think can actually kick the ball, and you know, make

put it through the uprights. All right, real quick, before we go to break us some NFL news. It's breaking right now. I just saw this. Tyreek Hill goes to Miami. Miami's getting everybody this offseason, but he goes to Miami five draft picks for him, a first, a second, two fourths, and a sixth. For Tyreek Hill going to Miami. I don't I assume this is their goal. Good for Miami, for they're gonna know if they're right now, Well, they're gonna know if two was the guy by the end

of this season. Yeah, I mean, if he can't make it work with the talent that they've put around him. They got one of the best left tackles in football. They upgraded yesterday. Yeah, they signed Heron Armstead. They brought in Tyreek Hill, They already had Jalen Waddle, Cedric Wilson. They brought in a running back that Mike McDaniel absolutely loves, Chase Edmonds. Like talent, talent around him and the ability.

Don't forget Jalen Waddles already there. I said that. Yeah, Okay, guys around him are not going to be why two it doesn't succeed. Yeah, they got they got options. Williams, Hey, you we can laugh. I promise you. The Dolphins offensive line, he's an upgrade of what they had. Their offensive line

was a disaster last year. So that's the same thing for Cincinnati with Lyle, Like, that's an upgrade for them to bring Len because Lyle, although they felt like they had a better option or at least a comparable option here Cincinnati's offensive line did not mean he will be a wear like a jersey for them, or is he gonna wear like a black T shirt that says like staff on the act, because yeah, he's the bodyguard guard both the bodyguards here. All right, we're gonna take our

first break. When we come back, we're gonna jump back in. We got to talk about this defense, and I'm gonna ask you guys the bigger picture question about this defense. Essentially, the Cowboys have made a decision. They're gonna run it back. They pretty much have the same lineup from last year minus Randy Gregory, and the question will be is that good enough? Where the things they still need to do on the defensive side of the ball, We'll talk about

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like Casey's not coming back. But they did bring back Hooker, who will presumably be their starting free safety. And so you look across this defense, Randy is the big exception. They brought in Dante Fowler. Do you think that's enough? Have they done enough right now on the defense to be at least comparable to what they were last year from a from a talent standpoint, comparable? Yes, better, Probably not. And honestly, that's that's just football. Like, defense varies so much,

you know, like the trends. It's it's much harder to sustain a top flight defense year after year than it is an offense. Like the trends will show you that, the stats will show you that. You know, and this I know this has been a hot topic of debate

in the time since Randy left. Not trying to sell Randy as von Miller, but he had that freakish level of athleticism that gave this past rush a lot of juice, and Dante Fowler was a top five pick, but consistently over his career, I don't know if we've seen that, and to be fair, I've watched nowhere near as much Dante Fowler need to get on that here in the coming weeks. I just I don't have confidence that their pass rush is going to look as dynamic as it

did at times last year. I mean, I think I think you got to say, though, the same thing, like if you were to get one guy and get Randy Gregory, you would say the exact same thing though about Dante, just like you said with Dante Fowler, because you would say he's got the potential to do it, but over the course of his career he hasn't done it. It's consistently,

so I mean, it's the same thing. I mean you were I would argue though, that Randy not doing it is just because he hasn't been around to do it. Like when he's been on the football field, he's shown that ability. Yeah, oh all right. I mean Dante Fowler though, did the interview the other day, and you could tell one thing that was very clear was that he wanted to be here. And that's something I think is very

clear about Randy Gregory is that he didn't. So you have to factor that part in it as well, because I mean, if Randy wanted to be here, he'd be here. He's That's simple as that, right. I mean, yes, guys are going ghost No, No, I'm listening to it. I mean he wanted to be here. I mean, you know, and I and this whole thing has been frustrating for me.

I mean just listening to it. You know, last week, we didn't know what was happening when we went on the air because it sounded like he was having second thoughts or whatever. Sound like there were some conversations but for him. But I mean, I have a huge problem with some of the things Randy has said, But I have a bigger problem with the things Randy has not said and what he has not said, at least publicly.

But she's saying everything else publicly, so why not He has not said that he appreciates Jerry Jones for doing what he did and making his career what it is, And that's that's the problem. This guy was free falling in the draft. He wasn't going I mean, who was going to take him second round whatever. The Cowboys finally did, put number ninety four on his back, believed in him, did all that stuff, stood by him through all of

these things, and then to come back. And I mean, if any other team had drafted him later, third, fourth round, he'd have been out of the league so fast with all those suspensions. Cowboys stuck by him, gave him some financial help, and even though he says that's not true, they did because they gave him an extension while he

was suspended, which is unheard of. And so to do all of those things, and then to have your people in the media that you giving information to say that it came down to first strike, third strike, second strike. That's a bunch of crowd when he's played through nine innings of strikes his whole career. And to not say,

you know, go go to another team. That's fine. If you want to fresh start, go go do that, but to to kind of make it spin like the Cowboys were doing shady things and all that kind of stuff and building a reason of why you left. You left because you wanted to go somewhere else, which is fine, but don't don't put the Cowboys in the spot where they that they did it wrong. If anything, they're the reason he's even getting that money. I think I just think it was I lost all respect for him and

some of the things that he's done. That's just my opinion. Yeah. The interesting thing too is I think somehow we've we've, at least I'll speak for myself, somehow I had made up in my mind that he was maybe even a better player than he showed while he was here. I mean, at the end of the day, the results still worth the results. Last year it was six sacks. That's not a great season for a defensive end, a starting defensive end. That's the caliber of a guy that gets that kind

of money. And don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have Randy Gregory back here because I would have loved to see what he could do in a second year with Dan Quinn. Can he build on that? Can he make it into more? But his career so far as not shown that he is that level of guy,

like that top level of defensive end. And I do think there was a substantial amount of risk in that that you get into this deal and this becomes one of those deals that people again look in and they're like, man, why are they giving him that much money because the production doesn't match up, And so good luck to him. We'll see what he does in Denver. But I do think it's one of those things where, at least for the way I think Cowboys fans should be approaching this

is you didn't lose Reggie White here. You lost the guy that you thought maybe had some ability and potential. He has not shown consistently that he can deliver that when it comes to the games and consistently do that for a season. I thought I did a good job of explaining that I wasn't saying that nobody was the same pointing at you, that that wasn't pointed at you. I'm saying that wasn't pointed at you. This just in general,

this is just the thoughts about Randy. We got on there last week and seriously was like we didn't know what to think because we were told that he was maybe trying to come back or whatever, but because it was all kind of weird. But after everything that's happened here in this last few days, I mean, I just I and I agree with you. I mean, freakishly like he can be that guy like like that that interception against the Washington I mean, that was one of the

greatest plays I've seen any defensive player. It was amazing, And he can do that kind of stuff. But you have you throw it all in there too, like he I don't know if he could if he changes the game. I mean he's changed a few games, but not always in the good way. I mean he's had some penalties as well, So you're dealing with everything. You throw it all in. In this particular case, I would take Fowler and Armstrong over him because you have to rotate them

anyways you rotate them. He's gonna miss some games. He gets hurt a little bit. In this case, I would take those two guys coached by Quinn over Gregory for a way cheaper price. I think, like quarterback and edge rusher, I'll take the freak every time. It sounds dumb to say, because Fowler was a top five pick. He's got thirty five career sacks. He's had an eight sacks season and then the big one was the eleven and a half

when he was playing with Donald in La. The potentials there, but give me, give me again, give me the guy with that freakish Jerry Jones always calls it gumby. Give me the guy that can get like parallel to the ground like Mica does getting around the corner and has that potential. And it's not just about sax By the way. Pressures matter. Moving the guy off a spot matters, stripping the ball. Give me like three of those guys which you would have had with Randy, and then I'll fill

in the back end. It didn't work out, And I, like I said, like, I don't think they are substantially worse with what they've done, like Fouler, Armstrong and Tank is manageable, especially when you consider that Mica is going to play a role in that as well. So, like I said, I feel, I feel fine about where they are. I don't think they're better. I don't know if they're substantially worse either. Is there a particular area of this defense that you guys look at and say they still

need help here? Like this is still particularly a problem for them from a pure numbers standpoint. They need linebackers. Again, Like, I just don't think they have enough to get through a season with what they've got with or without Luke Gifford. Yes, yes, with or without, I think they need bodies at linebacker.

I would love to get an extra talented body at end, probably through the draft at this point, um, somebody made the point like this is probably the first time in my career covering the Cowboys where I'm just like, the back ends probably fine if they don't do anything to it. I know it's got a crazy right, I mean, I

get like, you can always improve it. Of course, Derek Stingley could fall to you in the first round of the draft, and if thoughts on dere Stingy because I don't want to get too far into draft conversation, but I've heard multiple like different variations, and some are like, man, I still believe in his ability, and others are like, I don't know. This could be a bus stop playing

a fight on the air. Because of it, I think he's the most polarizing prospect in the entire draft, honestly because he has the talent of a Patrick Peterson like. He has that just fluid natural ability. He's got injury concerns, and honestly, as somebody who watched his entire career in college, I wonder about the buy in, Like I wonder if he's got the mental makeup to it be dedicated when

the season's not going that well. It seemed to me, and this is similar to Clowney that when you're a star as a freshman, sec star on a great team and all that, it's like, all right, when when I got the league, because and and and there's very much so, but then it's also like, oh, you were having a lot of fun when there were first round picks all over your defense. It's not so fun right now, is it? You know, are you going to be as dedicated as you were when you're the guy and you're three and

two instead of five? And oh? I mean and that the NFL is all about that. So there's there's there's a few guys like that every once in a while where it's like, okay, you are ready, but the other seventy five that have good freshman years are not. So you know, this is the rule I think is fine. But you know, Maurice Clarette, I remember way back and he was like I'm ready, I'm ready to go, you know, and Clowney and who was But Clowny's been a freak

since high school. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying it, but he's a different I think. I think the talent is still there for Stingley, but it's I would run to the podium to draft him at twenty four if he were to fall that far, even all the things you know of him as watching him every game, a guy with that type of talent, and as far as I'm aware, there's no there's no off field concerns in the sense of like is he a bad guy. It's all just like football character and he mentally always all

all in. Yeah, if he were if a guy with that type of talent were to be there, j don't even ask a question about it. If it bites you in the ass, it bites you in the ass. But the prospect of drafting Patrick Peterson twenty fourth overall is

like way too enticing to pass up. And I mean that that's kind of thing too, Like I'm like, if he's got that much talent, like I feel like, going back to what you were saying, Nick, a lot of that mental stuff may just be because he's frankly bored, Like he's freshman year was so great and then you got COVID and then half the players aren't playing anyway, and you're thinking all along, I'm just trying to get to the league. At this point, I put it on tape.

I'm trying to get to the league. It could be that, and immaturity will make you do those kinds of things when you're young, you're immature and you're looking at things a little bit differently. Like that's that's an immaturity issue. In my opinion. We picked so just a mental issue. We picked all of the COVID opt outs apart during the draft cycle last year for not wanting to play that season, and like all of them were badasses once they got tracked. Yea, So absolutely, yeah, all right, we're

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You can see more, Do more. Es segment of the Break Life from the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Starlet's moved to the offensive side of the ball. The offensive line still remains I think the big glaring weakness for this team. It was a problem last year and they've only lost pieces. Whether you you know, you can argue whether those were pieces that where significant or not. The fact is they still lost bodies and they really haven't

added anything back to offset that. That being said, do you think this is something that the Cowboys thinking of what's left of free agency that they can address in free agency or do you think this has to be pretty much the draft and they got to look at the draft for a lot of these a lot of these positions, a lot of these holes. Yeah, there's no way they can be done. It would it would fly in the face of their usual strategy. They haven't done

anything about left guard. Don't try to sell me on Connor McGovern because you benched him last year and they don't have a swing tackle. I mean, like it would be very out of character. Like their Josh Ball, who did not look ready for the NFL before he got hurt and that's probably why he didn't come back last year. You're not leaning on him and you're certainly not going to go into the draft with the entire league circling the fact that you don't have a left guard or

a swing tackle. So at the very least I would imagine they're going to do something about that, Yeah, because because they don't want, like you just said last segment, that they don't want the Darryl Stingleys of the world to be dropping. And then you're like, dang, I can't take that guy. I wish we could, but we gotta take the guard, you know, we gotta take the center or whatever, because we don't have anyone. They're not going to do that. They're going to cover themselves the best

that he can. That still doesn't mean they still gonna have holes, but they're they're gonna they're gonna put band aids on all the positions going into the draft. Think of how everything played last year. If you look at all three of the position, center, left guard, and then swing tackle, where do you think there's the biggest need for concern? Amber biggest need I mean swin tackle and guard to me is kind of both equally pretty close to each other. I mean the other one would be centered.

That's kind of you can deal with it a little bit better. But obviously still need to improve there as well, but I don't think I can pick out one of the two of twin tackle and guard. This is it's such a big problem right now because you you guys just talked about signing a guy biking themselves up. But you gotta bring someone that's actually good. Like, you can't just sign anybody just to have a body. You need

someone that can actually be good. Because whoever you draft in the whoever you draft in the draft, I'm like, oh god, yeah, sorry, But whoever you get in the draft, you you're not certain either that that guy's gonna be able to give you what you need at the level that you need it their first year, and we saw how much Dak's struggle he needed the protection. We saw clearly how much the running games struggle, and Zeke and

Tony Pollard need to help too. So it's just in all three positions, the only one that I would be kind of left kind of behind would be center. But other than that, you have to get someone with experience there. It's a cop out, but I will just say left guard for the time being because they don't have somebody I don't like. I would not want to go into the season with Connor McGovern, Matt Farney Ax never done anything in a real NFL game. You know, we I've

been saying this for a while. We hate on Tyler Beatish because we got used to watching Travis Frederick for so long. Like if Tyler is the starting center week one, oh, that's fine, as long as the left guard is much better than him. You know, Like if you draft a first round pick to play left guard or something like that, and he've got a guy that you can kind of count on to hold his own I can live with that. I can't live with the options of that are available

at left guard right now. Yeah, I mean it's it's a weird situation when you let the guy leave because you didn't want him left guard and he and he's making seven million a year, So he's the guy that you're like, Okay, we don't want him, but you certainly don't want to pay a guy seven million a year at guard, so like it's kind of a tough to

live him that it has to be a draft. Well, let me ask you, this, is that a question of money or they just didn't want to pay him seven million, Like if there's another guy out there that they could do a veteran guard that They're like, this is a good player and they could get him for one year deal for seven million. You think they wouldn't want to do that. No, I mean, but that's the thing. Is he going to be better than Connor Williams? Is he

because he knows what Connor Williams is making? That's that's what happened with Zadarius Smith. Zadarius Smith was about to sign for about eight and a half million somewhere and then they were like, time out, Rand, he's getting fourteen. This guy's getting twenty eighteen. You know, like no, no, no, And and so it's gonna be tough to say, all right, you want me to be better than than the Connor Williams who's making seven million a year. I mean, so

you gotta get creative with the cap. And that's that's something that's tough to do. None. And to be clear, I do I think they'll I think they will sign a swing tackle and a guard. Is it gonna be somebody that's gonna knock your socks off? No, all those guys for Kanta and Secky type, you're gonna sitting there like, okay, he played pretty well in twenty eighteen, but he kind of dropped off. But he was useful for these guys last year. Like that's what they do, and that's what

this will be. It's like, at some point you gotta change what you're doing. At some point you gotta not break the bank, but you gotta be able to pay somebody that's not in your own free agency list. So they work upstairs. You don't have to tell us they work up Who has Phil been coached? Like three years ago, that was pretty good that he coached somewhere. Are you referring to somebody specifically? I mean, is there one? I don't know? I'm looking at that, and like I can

hear Trey Turners out there. He's not who he used to be, but like I think he could step in and be serviceable. I think he's mainly been a right guard, not a left um. Ethan Posk another guy had a very up and down career in Seattle, but it could at least be a placeholder. I bet I can hear people grimacing at Will Hernandez the old Giants guard um, I can really hear people grimacing at Eric Flower. But

I mean that's what you're left with. Ten days. That's also why I threw the center out there, because there's a really good center that's sitting out Tredder. Yeah, And so do you think by getting somebody like that now you can afford to have a left guard that me he isn't as great. But because you got a really nice right guard, you feel good about your right tackle and you feel good about your left tackle. Maybe left guard just becomes your weak link that you just gotta

work with. Rookie. I mean, I would love to put you have a veteran center that was good, and you have tying over here. I'd like to put a rooky guard and say, I would love I would love that. I know that's probably not like that, but I'm just saying like that's but the older you get, like the heart, like, once you've had a few NFL contracts, it gets very hard to predict your market because like jac Treder can

do whatever the hell he wants to. You know, he's not he's he might not just jump at the best deal he might. At this point in your career, you're like, I want to go somewhere where I can be successful. The money's got to be a respectable offer. But this, that, and the other. That's why Bobby Wagner is still great. He is gonna wait for the exact right opportunity. He doesn't have to. He's not gonna be pigeonholed into something he doesn't want to do. Jac Tredder is probably very similar.

So I can't even confidently predict what those type of guys might be worth. Yeah, but real quick, I was just thinking, I'm like, horror tackles right now, and I'm I mean, we're just counting too on Tyrn Smith. The whole freaking seas well. That's why swing tackle is so important. And when I threw it out there, I was hopefully that you guys weren't gonna just poo pooah. He's gonna

play this year, Jeff, if history is any indicator. Jeff Kavanaugh made a joke yesterday about the swing tackle situation. He was like, well, I guess if if your left tackle hurts his knee in the first quarter and your right tackle hurts his ankle in the third quarter, and maybe you're doing this And I was like, you realize that happens here all the time. Several times in the last like two years, they've been down to like their

fourth tackle in a game. It's very important. And they're like, people act like this is a new People are like, when are they finally going to address tackle. I'm like, we've been talking about this for years, like this has been especially in the draft, like we've been considering tackle prospects for at least three years. At this point, maybe this will be the year. I don't know. They may have to. I think honestly they have to at this point just because for the rest of his career, Tya.

Smith is going to need a reliable backup because you just if again you have to look at history, and history says he's not gonna make it a full seventeen game, and I'm not. I don't think it's as easy as like moving Terrence Steele over left tackle if that were to happen. Yeah, more so than maybe ever because having the safety blanket of Lyell there for a few years was really nice. But yeah, I mean, you got to have an above average third tackle for this team. I think, yeah,

all right, let's talk about the wide receiver position. How how does that fall in your level of priority when you look at the offensive line. We all think the offensive line is a problem. We know they've got some holes there. Where does wide receiver line up with that? Is it more important? Is about the same or is it less firmly one B. I consider it a problem that needs to be addressed, but not as badly as

the offensive line. And I really think if you were making me predict right now what they're gonna do with pick twenty four, whatever offensive lineman or wide receiver they feel better about. And if I had to guess, they would go offensive line A because it's a bigger need be because there's a lot of really great receivers in this draft. But those are the two biggest needs on this entire roster in my opinion. I mean, they they obviously, you know, I mean with with the Marigon and then

they're slide and CD up. Obviously he's going to be the guy. But um, you know, I just think that that I know you you disagree, But I think James Washington is going to be similar to Cedric Wilson. I think that's a similar type of player right there. And I think that Cedric had a chance to do a lot with with some injuries that opened the door for him, and that didn't really happen for James Washington, but when he was at Pittsburgh his second year, he did have

those numbers, So the numbers are pretty comparable. Um, you know, obviously that's a that's a you know, he's he's excited to be back and he wanted to be here, and of course I know people from his hometown, My wife's from his hometown, and everyone's excited about that, and he's excited to rekindle that and be that guy. I don't think he's gonna be a Mark Cooper, but I think he can be that third maybe fourth receiver that could be really good players. Well, I do agree with you

on that. Where you and I think you and I disagreed, was you thought that a Mari they really did. Haven't found a replacement for a Mari. And what I was saying was, I think that's I think they've replaced him, or at least in their mind they think they've replaced him with CD wh who's replacing Then, Well, that's what I'm saying. I think everybody slid up. I think he went up to one. I think Gallup went up to two. The question is can James Washington be a three or

is he really more of a four, like Cedric. That's where I think you got to replace. But I don't think they have. I don't think if you look at just a Mari's role again in their minds, we don't know if that's going to play out. We don't know if CD's actually gonna be that. We know CD was their number one receiver last year statistically in most of every category, but we don't know if without having a Mari on the field, if that's gonna be the same thing.

And the point I made to you earlier also is there weren't a lot of games last year where you had all three of those guys planning. The majority of season, you did not, So you can't even say that, well they don't have all three. Well they didn't have all three most to last year either, And so the question just becomes is James Washington, which I think he might be, is he good enough to be your third wide receiver?

And if he is, or if you go out and draft a guy in the first or second round that can come and be your third wide receiver, I think I feel pretty good that the wide receiver corking will not be the problem. Yeah, like it may you can question whether they'll be as good as that other one, as that other wide wide receiver group. But I don't think you can question that they will won't be the problem. There'll be other things that will be problems for this

team way before you get to wide receiver. I don't want to play that game where I'm hoping that that can be true, like that's the NFL, because you're gonna lose guys every year, but hoping game every year to throw numbers at the problem and say, I feel a hell of a lot better about Chris LaVey or George Pickens picking this receiver corps up than hoping that a

guy who's done it. Sort of Once, James Washington's best season, he had fewer catches than Cedric had last year, Just to get you, yes, catches, not yards yet, but am Cedric had like six four I thought that year that that twenty nineteen for James Washington was comble to Cedric's saying similar to the same. But Fedrick is the fourth receiver on this team, right He was four until there was an injury, so he could the fourth needs to slide into the third, which is what you're saying. What

I'm saying is it's one or the other. Either James need to step up and become that third wide receiver or you need to draft somebody that can become that third wide receiver. Either those two things happen. In my opinion, you're you're back to a good wide receipt. Forget Michael Gallup has a really good chance of starting the season on Pup got him. So that means all this talk about being a third fourth, I mean it's actually two.

There's a chance that maybe a week or two you draft a receiver and him and James are gonna be two and three behind CD. So I don't want to be at the golf tournament in late May listening to the front office talk about, yeah, I just didn't work out with the receiver in the draft, but like we feel good about James and we got some young guys here.

Doesn't make me feel good. Brandon Smith and Osireus Mitchell like they're chomping at the bit to show you what they can do and like we feel, no, I've done that, And they traded for Amari Cooper six months later. Sure cool. They need they need a first, second or third round pick at wide receiver. In my opinion, and what makes this thing work? Yes, all right, we agree? Yeah, okay, yeah, as long as they do that, that's James Washington. Get in there, show me what you can do, and hopefully

you exceed my expectations. But I'm sick of this thing where we're counting on that, Like Jeff Heath's never done this, but we think he can be a great starting singer. Yeah, and I'm not. I'm not really honestly, that's not the argument I'm making James Washington. I don't expect him to be your two. I expect James Washington to be the three or the four. But again, and I think you need that draft pick in there. What do we expect versus what do they do? That's my point. So I

hope that they agree with it. Are we not going to talk about that they've resigned Sprinkle? Have they finally done that? Yeah? They just because we're talking about that. See, because it's because we're up to date. This is current news. This is current that just happening. Yeah, they signed him. He's agreed to terms for a while, but they just signed the deal. I was about to say, I thought that happened a while back. No, it got snagged up. He was holding you hold on, I need to think

about this. You laugh, But that I mean that is a position that needs numbers. Dalton Schultz is great, but I'm not trying to sell anybody that Jeremy Sprinkle is awesome. I straight up mean they need guys that number on the football fucker, like they need a blocker. I think in the worst way at the tight end position. Somebody go called Mercedes Lewis. Otherwise, I mean, is there nobody in the draft? Come on, draft guy, give me a guy. Do you you watch college football? Who does that? Tight

Ends don't block anymore. That's not a thing. And if they do, they're gonna make him a left tackle. Yeah. I can find you like six guys that couldn't be Dalton Schultz, but nobody they could be no blocker. I mean, sure you can develop into that, but like that, I have not come across a tight end that's just like, oh, he doesn't do much in the past game, but he'll run like three guys out of the play if he's out there. I haven't heard his name. Please somebody correct

me if I'm wrong. I feel free all right? Well in the show on a downer. Thanks, Sorry, that's what I do. That's what I do. Speaking of downers, I'm just sitting here putting up the Jeremy Sprinkle story on the Spanish type, and I'm just listening to you guys, and I feel I don't mean to be a downer too, but I feel terrible about this offense right now. I

really do. I mean, you guys went through the offensive line, we went through the wide receiver position, and now you started talking about tight end, and nothing in any of those areas made me feel very good coming as we stand here right now. And even if they address things through the draft, I'm always hesitant because I don't know that like I want to see it on the field. Let's see how these rookies come in and step up.

It's very hard to do something like Micah Parsons have done, and people do it every year, but it's hard to get guys like that that can step up right away. And right now, the offense, it's just I don't it's hard. It's hard for me to picture them being better in twenty twenty two offensively. Yeah, yeah, just because going into the off season, there was one thing that I thought was the biggest priority for this team to fix, and

that was the offensive line. And that's the area that they've lost and haven't had anything back, Like there are other areas where you've had it, lost something, but you added something like. That's the area they haven't gained anything. They've gained no ground. They've actually regressed from the standpoint who just bodies. So I don't feel good at all about that about the offense. And I think that's where the offense starts and ends, is how good is your

offensive line? I guarantee you we'll be sitting here in a week and we'll have a better feeling about it. Good this free agency, this is what they're still gonna do stuff. They're still gonna and they're gonna get guys. And and even if you're like, well, who's out there? Who are they gonna keep? Give me a Kyle Kozar type guy, Like I'm That's all I'm looking for right

now is a gotta steady I gotta steady. Yeah. And another thing that you got a factor in on the defense side too, is when you look at you know, Okay, they lost Randy, they got these two guys. I mean, do we think Michael Parson is gonna be the same player he was last year. I mean, I hope he's better. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I think Trayvon Dad, they're gonna be He's gonna be a better player. The flip side of that coin is Late and vander USh.

I mean you always hope, Yeah, that's always hope. I don't take anything for granted. I hope Mike is a better player, but you can't. I always say, it's not Madden. You don't automatically jump six spots. You don't go from eighty to eighty six automatically. Some players go up and down.

Some just go down. So go up. At the end of twenty eighteen, I was convinced, you're right, we had the next luke Keickley, is what I thought, Like I was like lately, Yeah, I was like I was sure he was gonna be the truth and it didn't work out like that. Like, you're right. It just everything is always it's a brand new season and you just don't know where it's gonna go from it. I want to be I want to be clear. I'm with Nick, like how I'm not betting against Micae, but I just don't

just don't assume anything in this stupid league. But again, like like we're doing this podcast, what we do on Wednesdays and all that, but we're not we're not done with free agency obviously the draft, and that's why offensive line is so important. I think in the draft, the guy that I want, I don't even know what his name is, but his position needs to have a slash. That's what I want. I want to slash tackle. I mean guard, slash tackle, center, slash guard, something like that.

That's what I need. I need a versatile player that is a plug and play. Amber said it earlier about is he going to be ready to go? Yes, because that is the difference when they're looking at three or four guys up there. Which guy starts next week at OTA. That's the guy that you need. He's NFL ready because he's played at at this Big ten school for four year. Put him in. He's ready to go because that's what you need. You need to plug and play guy. All right,

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