Cowboys Break: Analyzing the Injuries

I wanted to have I think I've been here. Everyone has been flipping around. That's all good. All right, Well, let's just start off with with some injuries. It's April, mid April, and we're still some injuries. Waits. This thing is moving. It's did you realize into a little over two months, we'll be an oxnark We'll be on that plane real quick. That's crazy. I'm not Hey, it's already like it's eighty five degrees outside right now. I'm ready for it. Let's go. Ready to get back to California

and California weather. Let's get on the grind football. It was cold, that's pretty cool. Last week, but she did was she? She pulled out the notes the last time we were together, it was like, all right mid April or I don't even know if that. I think it was Wad. It might have been like, yeah, we didn't do a show before the draft for like at thirty minute then you had to leave. Yeah, and I didn't even start that show. Nope. Well mid May, we're already

talking about injuries. First one on the list, of course, Derek Eagleton, who was recovering from a shoulder injury. And are you shoulder surgery? Neck area? Everything good? I'm good. Are you gonna be ready for training camp? Now? I won't be able to run until training camp, but I'll be ready to run by training camp. So good to hear her, man, glad to hear it, boss Man. If you guys see the if you're watching the actual video, you can see Derek. Yeah, on the neck. Yeah, it's disturbing,

but that's where the incisions that happened. It's a band aid. Yeah, it's a band aid, just a little small cut, nothing big. Well, next one on the list, running back my Webber. Oh, I thought was ready. We'll go. Third one on the list, Mike Webber. He he had an MRI. He was limped in off the field on Saturday morning during that practice and it was the knee. Something happened there. Well, we have an update because I think Dave was looking outside of the practice field at practice um and saw that.

I'm just kidding. I wasn't doing anything, Mike Webber, he I think he's doing a little drills and stuff like that. He's out there. Yeah, I think he's fine. Nothing serious. So they got him out there. They have an MRI on site, so they gave him one as a precaution. But I think he's okay. Like it's not a big deal for an app for a Cowboys player to get an MRI, like they do that all kinds of stuff. So they took a look at it. You know, I wonder if they'll give him a full workload at OTAs.

But he's okay. Always did he have any injury history coming in? Not anything significant? No, And that's I mean, you know, it was a walkthrough on Saturday, and I think, you know, he just maybe tweaked it cutting or something like that. Like it wasn't like this. You know, if you hadn't been paying close attention, you might have thought he was just going in to go to the bathroom. It's not like he was carried off or anything like that.

So it seems like he's okay, okay. Next one taco a guy I knew about their shoulder injury from him both sides. Now he went through a scope on the ankle, and that's something. Did you guys know about this? It's something that kind of popped up. I don't know. I didn't I didn't know about it. But this is this type of thing always. It seems to happen every offseason.

It happened. It just happened with another team as well as like you know, he was probably dealing with it during the season, and you know, you think like, well, you know, I'm not playing anymore, it'll be all right, It'll be okay. And then this time you're rolls around and you're not feeling a lot better. You still got a ways to go until training camp, and you're again, getting a scope as a pro football player is not as big of a deal as it would be for us.

So it's like, let's go in and clean it up. Oh. It was Darius Leonard, the Colts linebacker. Same thing like it had been bothering him it's May and he doesn't feel a lot better, and they're like, well, let's just get this knocked out now so that you'll be ready for training camp. Same thing here. You know it's not necessarily a new injury, but why take chances. You know what it does though, is and you're right, Taco is

gonna be able to compete in a training camp. But I think what it's going to do is when he gets to the OTAs and we'll see about mini camp on how long that takes it. You probably is gonna be knocked out for mini camp, I would imagine. But the guys like Joe Jackson and Jelks, these rookie pass rushers that you know they looked the part. I don't know if they can play, but I mean they certainly looked the part. They're gonna get opportunities. Zelner Peppi's owner.

You think Jalen Jelks is PEPPI know what I'm saying. That's when you get to those guys that looked the part and you know they can necessarily play. But like Peppi's elder looked the part. You know, there's that guy Jolkes is so intriguing because he could play. I mean in the Pac twelve he was a he was a first team All Pac twelve player, and he I mean, you know, he had good production, and he has good size and he played at a good school. Maybe he

can be a good player. Yeah, maybe there should be plenty of opportunities for d Lineman in this session coming up because Gregory's not here. D law is not going to do a lot. Taco's not doesn't sound like he's gonna do a lot. I don't think there's anything wrong with Robert Quinn, but he's like a nine year veteran, so you'd imagine you're not going to kill him during OTAs. Although he's new to the system, so it's true, but I still, I mean, well, and then, um, what are

you doing this afternoon? That seemed like a good story. Yeah, good point, good story, and it's really more like tonight, But that's true. Baseball, Antoine Woods is coming off a shoulder. I think MALIEK. Collins is coming off something like Rod Marinelli was talking about it at Mini camp over the weekend. He was like, we got a lot of guys that we're not going to push very hard this spring, which can only be a good thing for the rookies and

whoever else. And the thing about it is it may not even lead to much here because you start talking about all those names, all those names are presumably going to be on this team when you get to September.

So just getting them ready so that they have the opportunity to be able to show well during the preseason that may create other opportunities for them if they should get cut, which a lot of them probably will because a lot of the positions are already solidified, i think on the defensive line, just because of the numbers of

the people that they actually have here. But when you talk about not pushing these defensive linemen, the guys that were banged up, that means that the younger guys, the Tristan Hills and the Jolkes and them, they're going to get chances to go up against the first team offensive line here, and that's all. That's always a good thing, good experience. So yeah, this could this could be a win win if those all those guys kind of come

back into the mixer. Now Minicamp rookie minicamp ended. And you know, it's very different when you watch footage from college and watch players versus when you're actually seeing them in person and seeing them do things. Who would be a guy for each one of you that kind of wasn't really what you expected or look different better for the better or warriors don't do this to me? Why

they didn't do anything? I know, I know. But for example, for example, the corners when they came, I know, they were big corners and stuff, and then seeing them in person, it's like, wow, Okay, they're actually pretty big and so little things. That's what you do, that's what you look at stuff like that. Like we were sitting there looking at at Mike Jackson, and man, his arms are and

he's not really that tall. I mean, he's one of those prototypical guys that supposedly Rochard loves it has the long limb, stands next to Westreet, and Westreet looks like he's taller than any wide receiver. And when he's six to four, he doesn't look like the corner, and so he looks like Jackson looks like the short corner, you know, and he is compared to Westreet. But if you look at their arms, I don't, I don't. I could measure them, but I mean, I'm just saying I can't shameless plug.

I wrote a story about it yesterday. Yeah. I mean, probably the one thing that jumped out to me more than anything else during rookie camp was the corners, because Donovan Alumba was there too. They're massive, and Mike Jackson's only six one, he's got thirty three inch arms. Westrey's six four with thirty three inch arms, Alumba's six two with thirty two and quarter inch which I actually went

back through Richard's tenure with the Seahawks. It's staggering, you know how closely they've aligned with what he wants in a corner over the time he was in Seattle. They only drafted one quarterback cornerback who was shorter than six foot, and then in draft any that didn't have at least thirty two inch arms. Really, Yeah, like arm length and

height are big deals. I think Byron Maxwell was the only sub six foot corner they ever drafted, and he was five to eleven, Which then I went and looked at who's on the roster right now, and of the incumbents, Byron Jones, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, Cheeto Woozier, Byron is the only one that hits both of those benchmarks, not

even Cheeto does. Cheeto doesn't. His arms are only thirty and five eighths or something like that, which, you know, maybe that's not everything because you've had Cheeto in the system for two years and he's played really well. But I just think it's interesting that most of the corners that are on the roster right now with starting experience are not guys that Richard would probably look at if it were up to him, you know what I mean. So I just think that's something. Would you imagine some

of these new guys kind of pushing out? I mean, yes, Anthony Brown, they have the experience. You got. Jordan Lewis, poor guy, he has already been kind of pushed out since last year or so, all things being equal. Yeah, Like I think Richard would probably rather go with one of these yeah, which I mean, they gotta they still gotta be better, you know, like if Anthony Brown is just better than these guys, then obviously you go with the better player. But I bet Richard would love for

one of these guys to take ownership of something. But let me ask you, this is that you know at all scary a little bit because Richard right now, there's no guarantee Rochards here next year or the year after. He's a guy that's a commodity as a potential head coach coach in the NFL if you're changing things, and again, as you talked about, Jordan Lewis already kind of found himself kind of the odd man out. If Cheeto doesn't fit that that criteria, at some point, maybe one of

these other guys maybe kind of starts to slide. Are you okay as the Cowboys kind of moving in that direction knowing that maybe you might not even have Richard in coming years. I mean not, but he's he's put something in place that I think you should follow because the Seahawks, it worked for them, it worked for Byron Jones.

I mean it's I mean, it's not a bad thing to say, all right, well he's not here anymore, but we're still gonna keep that philosophy, which to be I mean, you don't have to adhere to one hundred percent like Guess. I mean, Anthony Brown and Cheeto have proven themselves, if as good players despite not having those measurables. So but they're both like in the next what two years, Hey, I mean down after this year. I think it's it's curious to think, like, Okay, these guys have proven they

can do it. Are you really not going to resign them just because they don't have these measurables that you value, even though they've proven on tape for multiple years that they can do it well. We thought after this rookie year that Jordan Lewis had something, not all of a sudden last year he was completely out of the mix. So and he's a pick that was a I think a valuable pick. Rights. So from my standpoint, I look at and say, they've already shown a set they're willing

to at least defer that way. Yep. And and so I will be interested to see what happens is if year with Brown, because that'll tell you a lot about kind of how the Cowboys are looking at the cornerback position without Rahard. It's it's and I don't we don't know the answer to that yet, but it'll be something to watch. I'm fascinated to see what the cornerback depth chart looks like when it's finalized, yeh like, because it'll show you a lot about what they prioritize. It's definitely

gonna be a fun training camp, basically all all positions. Now, let's move on to the running back position. Tony say his last name before you make fun of me, know how you see it? Polar Pollard, pard Tony. Let's just talk about Tony and a guy that has started, you know, getting some labels around what he's going to be able to do here for the Cowboys in the offense. Is this a guy that you you think that the Cowboys will be able to find the right place for him.

We've seen it happen with Tavon Austin, how they talked about him and praised all his abilities and how they can use him all over the field. This is a guy that seems to be kind of just like that as far as being utilized in many, many different ways. Do you think that the Cowboys can find a way to make it work with him and have him be productive on the field. That's on Kellen Moore. It's on Kellen Moore to figure it out, and it's on Jason

Garrett to let him figure it out. I mean, that's really as far as I'm willing to go, because I mean, it's not just Tavon Austin. It was Ryan Switzer, it was Lance Dunbar. I know injuries were part of that, but excuses, excuses. I mean, you drafted this guy in the fourth round. It's not quite a premium pick, but a pick that you expect to make a difference, and they haven't been able to do it. They need to do it. That's on them. One thing about and it's

it is on Pollard too in one regard um. If he's gonna play it like a right wide receiver slot guy, that's that's one thing. But if he's also going to be back there as a running back, he's got to be able to block. If he if he can't pick up the blitz, if he can't recognize where it's coming from and protect the quarterback um and not be a liability, then that's that's not going to get him on the field at all. I mean, because you know that Zeke's

gonna play something. But that change of pace back is nice. And that was the thing with Dunbar. I mean, Dunbar, he had some issues. They're picking up those blitzes at times, I mean because they're not. That's what makes them so special, is that the fact that they're little short guys that can move around, but that doesn't mean that they're good blockers,

you know. And Kamara, he's the guy everyone wants to compare them to him that that's great, but Kamara, you know, he's he's got a little bit of sproles in him, I mean as far as being compact and and you know, tough there. But I mean, you can listen to what the at least what the coaches are saying about Pollard, it seems like they're at least the lift service that they're giving is that he is a he is more than just a change of pace, third down kind of back.

They think he's more of a complete running back. And to be honest with you, I think I kind of believe that, or at least they're going to try to play him in that role because I don't anticipate as good a third down back as you think he might be. Zeke's a better third down back, as good of a you know, you know, change of pace, Zeke's still a

good change like. Zeke can do all those things. His opportunity will be what the Cowboys typically do, which is they get to about what is that like series number three or four in the game and they'll pull Zeke off the field and they'll put another running back in for that beginning part of that. Depending on how they're doing, they'll let him stay a little bit longer, or they say get out. Was it putting Zeke back in? That's

going to be his opportunity. So on those downs, can he do something that makes them say we have to get him on the field more frequently and find a role for him to be on the field. If not, what ends up happening is he's just going to be the guy to spell Zeke, and that means he's got to be well rounded to do that. I just hope it's not as formulaic as it was a while ago when it was like, oh, it's the Cowboys third possession of the game. I guess that means it's Salford Morris time.

Like there's no real rhyme or reason for it, but likes, that's just what we decided. I'm expecting that's what we're gonna do, and so we're gonna do it. I hope not, because this guy's skill set is much more than that. And I mean, you know, it does get tiresome to compare everybody to the Saints or even the Rams. But I mean it's like a hockey team the way that like guys are running on and off the field per snap. Forget series. It's like, well, it's third and two, so

we want to you know, oh, Taysom Hill get out here. Yeah, you're gonna do this, And like, I'd love to see more of that. I want to see it first though. I think the thing about is that's easy to say when you have a guy that's not the best runner in the NFL. Like they could do that with the Saints because they had a good running back. They didn't have a great run back, so you can work Kamara

in there. I don't think it's the same thing with the Cowboys because the Cowboys still feel like their best option is Ezekiel Elliott and so pulling him off the field for anybody else, I don't know if they feel like that's a great there's no law And is that not because of his injury issues. I don't know what's going on with that. Now, there was other things, there were other things that play there than just ability. I guess they didn't really do that with Gurley early in

the year. Right, there's no We're do any last year either, there's no law in football that says they can't be on the field at the same time, just for whatever that's worth. And Pollard spent a lot of his time lined up out wide. Again, I mean, who's the other back in Memphis? When don't you get The Rams drafted him? Henderson? Darryl Henderson. The Rams drafted him, which to me says that they're worried about Todd Gurley because they trade it

up into the top one hundred to get him. So a pretty damn good player, a top one hundred pick, they still found ways to use poor They're like, you know what, in the NFC Divisional game, we went up against the Cowboys and we had Anderson and Gurley and went for almost three hundred yards on them, So we need that second guy. Maybe that maybe they're looking at that way Pollard Ill. I mean, I watched tape of I've watched tape of Pollard. He does all sorts of

motion in and moving. He doesn't need to be the primary guy to be able to get on the field, and I would love them to do that. What I know right now, if I'm basing it on what I know right now is They've had other players with those kinds of skills that they haven't figured out how to use them that's in this offense. So until they do it, I just don't know that that's something they want to do necessarily we've heard. I mean, there are you can go find them. There's so many quotes that can and

should inspire optimism about what this offense could be. Gary Brown, h Kellen Moore has has said a lot of good stuff about how multiple he wants to be. Tony Pollard actually, like, unprompted during minicamp, was like, oh, Kellen Moore is a genius, Like you can already tell it would be great. Love it. At this point, it's on you to show me. It's not on me to just buy it at face value. And that's how I feel about it. You know, it's hard to imagine for me to imagine a sequel Eliott

being more productive than what he already is. But I wonder if the Cowboys are able to find the right formula and incorporate this running back whoever it is in there, how that would affect a sequel Eliot's performance and productivity on the field. That would be really interesting. Something that I can really imagine because he gives you, yeah, everything you can hope and imagine for it. But let me ask this question, do you guys think Zeke is You know,

we've seen these kinds of backs. They can be volume guys or they can be guys that can just strike at any moment. Do you think Zeke is one or the other or just kind of a mixture of the two. When you just like he needs a lot of touches volume in order to be as great as he's been so far, I think that's true to a degree, because I think a big part of Zeke's game is like the old like he's the cliche guy that gets better

as the game goes. I think because he doesn't wear down and everybody else does so to a part of me agrees with that. I mean, if he were only to get fifteen touches in a game, I don't I don't think you're using him the right way. I don't really agree with that. I mean I think that we've been so trained to play fantasy football and think that, all right, you know, these guys, you know, we'll put

up these really big numbers. But I mean we've seen first quarters where he's just on fire, and I don't know if you need that many carries to be I mean he sets the tone early in a game. So I mean I kind of get what you're saying. I think he's productive. He's just one of those things where he sets the tone. He's doing well, why are we taking him out? You know? And so that's that's that was that's not new to him. I mean, the same

thing they tried to get into Marcus Ware. You know, back in the day, they tried to get him off the field. But for who for what? You know, it was tough for years. A win. Yeah, he kept drafting, drafting second round tight end him. He was like, go over there. That is I mean, Zeke has started fast.

I don't mean to say that like he needs three quarters to get up to speed, but yeah, I mean with and he also he he's not slow, but he's not like a home run player that I don't hold my breath thinking that he could take every run to the house, you know what I mean, not really. I mean he's I don't think every play, but I think he's a home run hill. Like. I think he's a guy that can take it the distance. He's shown that I think enough. You don't good last year, he hasn't.

He's he's very good on the screen pass. We've seen that a million times. I don't think he's housed to run for more than like thirty yards away in since his rookie year. That's true. And so what I mean, I don't count run versus I mean run pass either way. You take it the distance, you take it the distance I mean, I mean to me, he's a threat when he's in the open field, I guess is the way

I look at it. Yeah, And I mean, wasn't it last year or I guess two years ago whenever Alfred Morris was here, did he go like seventy five yards with them all? Yeah? He had a really long one. He can He's like I just when I when I mean to say by that is like you know, um, like a guy with the speed like a Tyreek hill, Like he could touch the ball twice in a game. And I think video game is what he's right, which

you know, Zeke's not that guy. Like I think Zeke needs a high volume of carries to make that impact in my opinion, Okay, And the really reason I asked that is because that has to be factored into this as well. You start talking about what Amber was saying with,

you know, kind of working and figuring out that right formula. Well, if you think, if you think, if the coaches think that he is a volume guy, then they may say, hey, we can't give this other guy a lot of opportunities at running back because we need to give the volume to Zeke. If Pollard is what they are selling him to be, then eight touches should be plenty. You know. Yeah, we'll see if that's true, but that's what they're trying to sell us. Right now. Let's go ahead and take

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happy to be here, though. Do you have anything to promote John Kinna, Let's talk about him and let's promote promote John kin He did speak to the media during this rookie mini camp, and I think from what I was reading people's reaction to what he said about wanting to take Dak Prescott into the elite and becoming elite, I think there was there was a mixture of responses from fans and what I was reading, a lot of people took it, well, isn't that what a coach is

supposed to do to begin with? And that's the goal for anybody that you're coaching. But what are some of the things that that you've heard and know from his history of coaching, not necessarily in the NFL level, But what is he able to bring differently to the coaching part. Well, he's you know, he has coached high school, you know before, and I know that that that a lot of people have coach high school. That that's not what's going in to get him, you know, Dack to the next level.

It's the fact that he has been a backup quarterback for fifteen sixteen years. He started a few years as well, but he's been a quarterback in this league for a long time. That's what's gonna help Dack the most. But what he said about being elite, he said that is the toughest thing to do in life, not just in sports, in life. If something that you have that you are good at getting it to the next level and being

being elite. Because what happens is is that he called at the land of good enough, I'm good enough I'm good enough to do this right now. I do I need to get up at six am because I'm good right now. Yeah, I can get up. I can get there seven thirty or eight up being that next group. I'm good. I can go out here. I don't need to watch this other tape because I know I'm good enough when we get out on Sunday, I'm good enough, And he said. He talked about Tiger Woods. He talked

about Michael Jordan. He talks about specific things that they did to get better. Michael Jordan was great enough, but decided that he wanted to be a three point shooter. He wanted to have that in his game. And then then he wanted later in his career to be a post up guy, and then then he was unstoppable. He also mentioned Tiger Woods. Before he started winning a lot of majors in a row, he had about eighteen months

where he didn't win anything. He was he was changing a swing a little bit, so taking steps backwards to go forward. When he was saying all that about good enough, all I could think of was David Irving. I was just thinking David Irving in his mind thinks or thought he was good enough. To go out and play party end of the night before not going to He said it, he said, I'm good enough to do this, but the problem is he didn't want to be great or elite and he could have best. Yeah, and that's what I

hope that Dak wants to do here. Yeah, it made me think of my hero, Jay Cutler, and to be honest with you, because that it reminds me of Jay Cutler, because Jay Cutler is like the epitome of like I'm good at He's like I got a cannon arm and you know, like I've been here and done that. Like you want to pay me to play quarterback? Hell yeah, I'll play quarterback. But like I never got the impression in a decade of his career that he cared about

being great, you know. And then that's fine. Not everybody's like that, But I do think Dak has that drive and I love I love the pairing of Kittena there.

He had another great quote when he talked to us about you know, he was like I've done this, Like He's like I can tell you right now, Like you make that throw in that coverage, Like I've thrown that pick before, so you don't need to I've thrown that pick for you go over here, which like he's that's That's a such an interesting perspective for me because John Kitten had did this for a long time. He was pretty good at it. For he was pretty good at it for a little while. He was never you know,

he wasn't that guy. He wasn't Brady or even close to it. But he's been through the wars more than anybody can imagine. So you know, we've been clamoring for him to have that experienced voice for ever, like this is it. He might not be in the huddle, but that dude seemed just about everything you could expect an NFL quarterback to a scene. And he's going to be watching tape with Dak for the foreseeable future. I think

that's pretty cool. You know, I actually thought about the thought about it from the flip side and Tony and you remember what Tony you suck about how every offseason he would take one thing, one thing that he would isolate on and say, I'm going to get better at this. And I remember talking one year he was saying it.

I don't remember what the skill was or what the asset was he was working on but he was literally in his living room all summer, all the offseason, throwing footballs into his couch and certain pillows, and it was like, I don't know if he was trying to get rid of his get a quicker release or what, but he was saying he was just firing footballs into his couch, into the pillows, and again, it just it just underscores why maybe a guy like him that was undrafted could

get to the level that he got to relative to say a Jay Cutler, who was everybody would probably agree had way more skill and talent coming in the door, but didn't reach a real high level over his success. One of the most physically gifted quarterbacks to come through the league in recent memory, and I played like had a pretty good career all things considered, but like never really reached that Jeff George's an example from our time

is when we a little younger. But yeah, I mean those kind of guys come and go all the time, and you can get to that point where you're pretty good. You know, he's gotten two Pro Bowls in three years, Like, I'm pretty good, But there's a whole other level of greatness that he can get to if he really works out.

I thought. What was interesting too is he's coached high school for seven years in Washington for like three years Tacoma, Washington, then wats A Hatchie for four or five and his son was one of the quarterbacks in there as well. But he said, this is the first time he's gotten the opportunity to really teach the fundamentals. He said, you can't go to that level with these kids in high school.

They don't know anything. They don't understand the difference between you know, one, you know, misstep here and all that. And he said, now you can bring it up to the to the NFL, and his example was Jason Witten. He said, miss, you know, missteps or that's what he eliminates. That's Jason's fall steps. Yeah, that's what he has eliminated from his game, and therefore that's why he's going to Hall of Fame and didn't ever come off the field. So it's it's really taken away the bad plays more

than anything. But that was interesting when I when I listened to it, the fact that he said those kinds of things about high school students, which to me I initially would imagine that's where you start that's where you start with the fundamentals and you try to teach everything right from the beginning. But the fact that, yeah, you can't compare high school students versus people that are playing in the NFL and the amount of care and the

amount of understanding that people have between the two. What you can get away with in high school it's a lot different than what you can get away with the NFL. Like the small things will get you sacked or get an interception in the NFL. In high school, you can make a lot of mistakes, and because you're just so much talented everybody else, you can score touchdown. Like that's that's what a lot of these guys are at the end.

I'm I would bet most guys in the NFL locker rooms are guys that they dominated the other kids in high school and its completely dominated them, and a lot of them probably had no technique. No, it was just all about the fact that they had the raw ability to do it. I mean, it's it's like, that's why NFL quarterbacks probably shouldn't be teaching, you know, or coaching

in high school like a sixteen year veteran. I mean, it's like Jeff Gordon's gonna teach driver's ed. I mean it's like you you don't need to do that, that

would be interesting. Yeah, I mean it's just like you need to take this sixteen years of experience and and and do it, you know, with with players that actually understand that, not seventeen year olds that are also thinking about the prom and where they're gonna go to school and football they're going to take to Was it you or Rob that Donovan Wilson is from North Louisiana And actually, like, I guess it seems kind of hard to believe, but he's only like two years younger than Dak. I guess

he's from North Louisiana where Dak is from. And they played in high school and uh I asked that. Yeah, Well Donovan was like he was like, yeah, he beat us. And Nick asked Dack about He's like, oh, yeah, like they couldn't what was it the high school for um, what's the wood Lane or something like that. Donovan went to Woodland, went to Houghton. He was like, He's like, they couldn't do anything. They couldn't they couldn't touch me. Yeah,

you couldn't do anything with him. They had nothing for me, which like and literally they probably didn't touch him the whole game, and that's really didn't touch him. Every guy in the NFL was that guy in college or excuse me, high school, and some of them were that they got in college, right exactly, someone that don't even make it to the NFL with that guy in college, I think that would be cool to see that. You know, guys that we look at and you know, they get a

bad rap. I mean, I'll say it because he's he's kind of been the punchline here lately, but I mean it would be cool to just look at Taco highlights for high school just like killing people. Oh I know, I'm sure he was. They all were people, yeah, but I mean it's and no one's gonna be that impressed because a lot of people that are listening to this show probably rocked it in high school too. I mean, that's that's the way it is. But um, Derek probably

were a high school star. I pay for anybody, I know, that's shocking. Position do you play? I play safety and

wide receiver. But then my bat got broke up. So that was all for that, Yeah, all of that, you know, this whole John Kinna thing makes me even more excited, just because when you get somebody that's coaching people that aren't necessarily at the level that you're wanting, and then you get to be at the position that you are now having somebody that does care enough or knows enough it's professional and all of that, it makes you even more excited to coach that person. Now, let's talk about

Kellen Moore and his new position here. We we got to talk to him during this time. Obviously, there's not much different because nothing has really happened during the rookie minicam. There's nothing real football practice is happening, so it's kind

of boring. But what were some of the things that Callen was able to say that maybe got you a little bit excited hopefully or motivated you to something to look forward to as being kind of different in this whole offense and some of the things that he's planning them doing. I was listening to Kit now and they talked at the same time, Thanks pr and they I think one of the things he did he did say which you know he's probably gonna say this at the time,

but he wanted to get everybody. I mean, I think he talked about trying to get multiple people involved in the offense, which I guess that's natural, you would you would want to say that. But he, you know, he's got a lot of you know, weapons, and they want to make sure that the Randall Cobbs of the world, that everybody you know, really spread the ball around. And

that sounds great. That sounds great until you lose a game in Washington and then you come back and be like, why don't you just get the ball to Cooper or why don't you get the ball to Zeke? You know, that all sounds good now, but um, you know, let's see, let's see what it looks like. I don't want to be away blanket, but like that's just that's my role,

I guess, which actually it's not. I want I want to rephrase that because like, I don't think I've ever felt is optimistic about a Cowboys team as I do this one. Like there's a lot of interest. Keep hearing that from different people, Yeah, the national people. I keep hearing that, and I don't really like that. I don't like it's an uncomfortable spotlight with everybody. But you know what, this team doesn't handle it well too. That a typically and you got to you gotta put them in different

categories because it's a different team. But you right, You're right, it does. Do you say tough tough? Yeah, yeah, that wasn't drop. I said, tough, tough, cookies, deal with it. Biggest football team in the world. Sorry, there's a spotlight on you. Oh no, spotlights always there. But when people are talking good about him in point, I'm making the point which I think I'm scared of my own optimism because I'm so used to being a pessimist, which you know, I could say I could talk to till them blue

in the face. I think there's a lot of reasons to be excited about Kelly Moore. I just said, like, I think John Kitten is going to prove to be an amazing hire, but like I just want to see it. Yeah, you know, I stood out here and sweated last year talking to Scott Linehan about like, is tavan or receiver or running back? Why can't he be both? He's gonna do this, He's a web back. He's gonna get two dozen touches a game. Like, just show me, just do something.

Do it, be interesting, be fun and innovative because we haven't seen a lot of it over the last four years. You know, what's hard for me is to even picture any of this because yes, there was a big change at the position at an offensive coordinator, but at the same time, it was someone that has been here, someone that was very close to scotd. Linahan. So it's like there is the change, but at the same time, you

don't feel the change, like really feel it. So it's hard to even picture how different this whole offense is going to be in the near future. I don't know if you guys can't even imagine any of that as far as I mean every time drastic changes, every time you talk about any player, any you know how this guy's gonna do this year, you do have to to factor that in, like this is new. I mean the offensive coordinator is different, and so um that's it's actually

a good thing. Though it's not a bad thing. It's just it's just it's hard to look at like, oh, Jason Whitton. Now we know what Whitten is, well, yeah, we think, but do we know him like this? We know Randall Cobb in this offense? Do we know what Cooper is going to be in this Tavon and this offense, So it's kind of a good thing to be like, you know that that can kind of bring a level of excitement because with Lenahan, he kind of knew what it was going to be and it's gotten to the

point where then they needed to make a change. Well, here's here's why pessimism comes in. And I guess me

and Dave are flipping a little bit. But here's what my pessimism comes in is, I don't know how much influence Jason has over that and how much influence he exerts over the play caller on the offensive side of the ball, because if if it's a lot, then although there may be a different person who's actually saying, Okay, here's the play, the whole the overall ideology about what they're trying to do on any given play still revolves

around Jason's philosophy, which means it doesn't change drastically. There may be some slight nuance or maybe some slight changes, but at the end of the day, it's still the same philosophical base, right, And that's where I don't know, and I don't know that answer. I don't know. I don't know that any of us know that answer. You would have to be in the coaches meeting to know that answer. But that's the part that makes me a

little bit pessimists. Well, you know, Jason doesn't like change, but if Kellen Moore and you know, if somebody doesn't call the right plays, he's gonna make a big change next January. And we all know that about wear Navy anymore. So I'm just saying that here's a lot of teams in the league that we're near right or or in the acc But what I'm saying is is I think that that he's going to I mean I say all that to say he will be involved because he is.

That is that the great Because honestly, I think you want him to be a little bit more hands off and let Kellen call this offense because I think what the reason they hired him is because they want him to be innovative and different and try new things and try to use these pieces in different ways and make the offense more dynamic, all those things. I think, if you're going to really get the benefit of that, then

you gotta let him do his job right. The scary part is, now, if I want to be pessimistic, I'll say he came from the Lenahan coaching. I don't he was baby Linhan. I don't, I don't. I don't buy that one and I don't have which one part. I don't buy that baby. That's a weird phrase. But you are influenced by the people you hang out, you are, but he was around Lenahan a lot, so he was

very much influenced by him. This you're that's fair. He's been Lenahan's guy going back to Detroit and NFL fans hate to hear this, which is funny because you see the influence at the college game is having on this league every single year. So I don't want to buy that. I mean, the Arizona Cardinals what they did and is so about college and we'll see if it works, but obviously the league is paying attention. Before he ever met Scotland Ahan, Kellen Moore was a badass. Like people want

to write that off. As an I avid college football fan, I watched that guy for four years, like I know, and again that goes that goes back to the point is like, great, you were a badass in college. It doesn't mean anything in the NFL. But like he's got the mind for it. It's not his fault that he's five nine and it wasn't his data coach. Yes, he's the son of a coach, he'd been around football, he

spends his whole life around it. Set the college football record for wins in a career, and like, not just that, but his offenses at Boise were fun. Don't find the tape, it's there, and they did it in big games, like they did crazy stuff in big game. Protege of Chris Peterson, who has been one of the best coaches in college football for more than a decade, that like there's a lot more there than him following Scotland Ahan around for

four years. So that doesn't bother me. It does bother me that it's on Jason Garrett to let him mind that talent, so to speak. And I mean, yeah, like there's no way to know what's going to happen with that. There's absolutely no way for me to sit here and say it'll happen this way, because ultimately it's up to the head coach. You always talk about him being on the hot seat. I mean this one is really burdening, like you can barely sit on it. So there's two

there's two schools of thought. With that, like I can see it crystal clear, Like you're right, they need to change and score points and move the ball or they'll be looking for jobs. Jason Garrett could also think we need, you know, three or four more points a game gets us to the soup. And you know they average twenty two last year. If that number is twenty six this year, which isn't a drastic change, and the defense stays as

good as it was, if you're better. If I know Jason Garrett, his mindset is like we're this close to being where we want to be, Like we don't need wholesale changes, Like that's that's what I think. And so maybe I'll give you three plays a game you can call, and the rest of them I'm calling. I don't think the yeah, we'll talk about this. I guess next, you know, a segment. But I think the defense is going to be better maybe. And I'm just saying that's just that.

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Is it Cowboys Travel dot com to book your travel package today. Back to the break, Welcome back. This is the final segment of the break, Nay hinted at the Cowboys defense and before we fully dive into that, what's an off season without some drama surrounding the Cowboys? We got Tyrone Crawford who is facing a misdemeanor from back in late March something that happened I believe in Florida or something like that. Um, do you know the whole

story of what happened there, Dave? Um? Well, I mean video, I'm gonna say, thanks to TMZ, I mean, you can go find it was. It was a bar altercation, you know, which those are always fun to try to get to the bottom of, like why it started and who's in the wrong. But I mean Tyrone's on video shoving people and getting after it with security guards. That's that's not a great pretty good too? What's that he held his own? Yeah,

I mean he's an NFL football player. Yeah, Like the bouncer wasn't little he like so but like still like bouncers. It's so Again, if you don't see these guys in person, it's hard to really understand, like how massive you've seen a bar bouncer and these guys are like bouncing off Tyrone Crawford like it's it was pretty funny, but so it's funny. It's funny, Like there's nothing new in this story except I think NFL dot Com I think probably looked at the paperwork yesterday and realized that he had

been charged. All this happened like a month ago. Like Tyrone he pled not guilty in April. He was charged in March, so like nothing new has technically happened. It has just been brought to light in the media in the last couple of days. So he's got a hearing in June. What does the NFL do well? I mean you guys, you guys know this, Yeah, I know the NFL.

You know. The rumor was that the NFL was like they went down and asked the bar for their security tapes, like within two days of it happening, so like they're

gonna do what they're gonna do. I mean, I would be equally unsurprised if nothing comes of it, or if he gets multiple games I spend in my shot if nothing comes of it, just knowing that the history of what this league particular, I shouldn't say the league what Goodell does in these kinds of situations, all we know is or what we know is, he doesn't necessarily need proof that you did something wrong. What he needs proof

of is that you did something that embarrassed the NFL. Yeah, and if he feels like what you did embarrass the NFL in any way, then he gets he takes punitive damage. And so to me, I look at this and I'm assuming there's gonna be some kind of punishment, whether it's money,

whether it's games. I don't anticipate it will be a lot of games if it is games, But I would expect at this point, regardless of what happens in the court, if they look at that film and they feel like he had a chance to walk away and he didn't and instead he stood there and pushed and punched, then they're probably going to If again, if history serves correct and what he's been doing and he continues with that level of passing out punishment, expect there's going to be

probably some punishment. I would be a fool to try to predict it. I don't know, Like they do whatever they want, and they do it on their own timeline. Like you know, Tyrone's gonna have his hearing on June thirteenth. I bet Goodell will issue his verdict on September fifth, Like just whatever, yea, yeah, It's just that's random the time they do like, they do whatever they want and they can. And I was looking at the home Run

derby participants. He's not among them. Yeah, Jordy looked that up. Yeah, you think you might get a chance to talk to it. I wonder how, I mean it wasn't going to be a chance to talk about him? Is just this awkward, you know, at the risk of sounding cynical, I mean, Tyrone Crawford's a two time team captain. He lives in Frisco, Like he is exactly for those of you all that don't know, they're they're doing their annual charity home run derby tonight, you know, they go hit ball there he

come check it out. Yeah, come out to the rough Riders Ballpark up on Frisco. Yeah. Um. But anyways, like he's he's exactly the type of guy that would be there for this and he has many times, and so I'm not convinced it's a coincidence that he's not taking

part this year. Well, because what happens is that they swing, you know, they get like ten outs and they come out and they interview them, and you know it's just gonna be kind of weird to be like, so what you think you know that that third one you get over the fence? Did you play in high school? Yeah? Yeah, And then it's like, I think you're gonna get You're gonna get suspended. Yep. Yeah. And I don't blame me the from mess standpoint, I'm blaming Oh no, no, no no,

I don't know the answer. I would not I would not come nearer that if I were. I don't blame him at all. Well that's another question mark. Then for the Cowboy's defense. You don't know what's going to happen there. You don't know what's gonna happen with Randy Gregory. Now when we talk about what some of the sets that could happen throughout the season, well, you know, the good thing is is they drafted a you know, second round pick that looks like he could come in and play.

And they also signed and this should be mentioned first, they signed Robert Quinn, whom you know we'll be able to help on the other side there. So if Gregory doesn't play, you've got Quinn there. If um, I mean if Crawford. I mean, he's not going to be suspending for that long. It's the most I would think a game at the most. All due respect to both of those guys, I like them both a lot. Tyrone is one of my favorite people on the team. Um, did

you there, are they starters? Yeah? I don't. I don't. Honestly, I don't think so right now. The way it looks, let's assume you get back everybody you think you're going to get back. I don't think so. Now let's assume for a second. Then maybe they don't feel like DeMarcus is right yet by the beginning of the season, I could see them saying, let's let's put Tyrone in there. That's fair. But outside of that, if if Tank is back, I don't anticipate that Crawford would be just gonna have

an issue. But you said they who are your referring to Gregory? And maybe he's a Nickel starter. Maybe he's one of the four that's out there when they go to Nickel. Possibly. You know the Giants game, I mean, are you are you are we sure that that the I was going to play in that game? No, okay, I'm not sure that Gregory's gonna play him. You better not be sure. No, Uh, no, one could be. Uh. I'm sure Crawford's gonna play. No, are we sure Taco's gonna play now? No, you can't be sure because he

may be benched, he may not be good enough. Are Jones just gonna play? So when you start talking about everyone getting excited about the defense and oh, we're looking so good, it's it's May, it's May fifteen, these are the type of no, I mean, these are all These are all legitimate concerns that you should have Byron Jones had hip surgery not very long ago. I think Tank is finally out of the sling. I think, um, so that's a good sign. But your linebackers are there and

they're healthy and there, y'all. Okay, that's not late. Like apparently there's some talk that he's gonna be the Sam linebacker. Now he's gonna be really Yeah, And if you've if that work, well, it works because if you looked at him, he has been eating his wheediesk up. Yes, Shaun Lee looks like like Williams has bulked up. It's a different type of bulking, very different, hopefully. Connor I got a picture of Connor and I was like, no, he's holy crap, he is two of him now. He is not the

same guy that he was. Shaun Lee's kind of got the pizza body going. If take like you know he is brought up here, you know, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, he's got that look. Yeah, it's like a body builder type. Yeah. Oh, guy, he looks bulked. Got a good idea for a guy that's on the older end of his on the the end towards the end of his career. If it's a good idea, but it looks good, it makes your group look good. Your group. Linebacker Raco Gathers has made the

tight end group look good for four years. Had nah he hasn't. Yeah he had. Here we go. When you walk out of the bus, when you get off the bus, that's what you're saying, right about Sean Lee. Yes, but not the guy walks off the bus burs right. It's a way to get him on the field. And at the end of the day you're on you're talking about

the snaps. I mean, I'm not upset about it because I ultimately, if you can get him on the field, those other two linebackers, there's nothing bad about that in my opinion, I just wanted from his side standpoint, can you do the job? That's I mean, I think that they would be able to play the bass defense more. It maybe not be twenty percent if you if you're strong side linebackers Damian Wilson, maybe you don't play bass

that much. But if you're strong side linebacker, is it capable, Sean Lee, then you might get to play bass a little bit more, which plays your advantage. Yeah, I love that the line of I mean they always say, though, is you've got to be able to take a beating to play Sam saying that's I mean, it's yeah, it's something to watch. Yeah, but he's say you call him

injury prone. Yes, yes, Normally I would be reluctant to say that about a player, but even Shan Lee is the first one who will tell you that this has not been on his side, just not having the right look. It wasn't anything he did get wrong. It's just like I think that he just happened. If he if he could give you thirty percent of the snaps and Sam and be a good backup for Layton on the week side,

that's Austin Twin yeah, that's good. That Well, let's switch gears and talk about some of the guys that have brought some of these players into the whole Cowboys team, and the Cowboys have have lost I believe two guy or is it more three? Technically three? Yeah, three guys

from the scouting department, which happened. Two guys. Two guys that were here longer than than you've been here, h Tom Siskowski and Walter Julia U. They've been I mean as Tom actually ran this out in department for a few years, I think after Larry Lacewell Um and then and then Jim Abrams is a Jim Abrams, m Abrams. He's been seven years, so seven. Abrams was here for seven years, Tom was here for thirty and Walter was

here for like thirty four. That has a lot of experience walking out of the door, I mean, yeah, yeah, And Siskowsky, Tom had kind of taken a step back in recent years, like you know, the rise of Will McClay is because Tom took a step away. But Tom, Tom oversaw the drafts that got him Tyring Dez, Sean Lee Travis, So um, I want to tell that story. I'm with Tom, with the envelope. Oh yeah, tell it. He can't get in trouble, non Na. No, it's not

really anything back because nothing happened. I'm two thousand and four. We Coupley's had the twenty first pick in the draft and he um, he comes up Weird Valley Ranch. He comes up the stairs to our office and he has this envelope and it is taped as good as you could tape anything. He's like, do not open until draft Day. And it's like two weeks before the draft, and I'm like, and he would come up a couple of times, You're like, where is it. I'm like, I haven't opened it. Tom.

He's like, okay, and I don't even know what They had the twenty first pick. They're thinking running back. There's a lot of running back, Stephen Jackson one of them. So I'm sure you've heard this story several times, right, yea. So anyways, the draft goes on and they're about to pick twenty first and then they trade out of it. They trade the pick to the Bills, and then it's like that's the biggest letdown in the world. You know, you get next year's one and they don't have anything.

Then all these running backs go and son. Then it goes to the second round, and then that they have Tatum Bell is supposed to be the guy they're gonna take, because you know, he was told he was gonna come here. They don't take him. They ended up taking Julius Jones, Notre Dame. Okay, It's like, wow, everything changed. So then we write this story. Then later that night I was like, oh,

I guess I can open this now. It's this little piece of paper and it just says Julius Jones on it, and I'm like, he gave me that two weeks ago. This guy was never supposed to be in the first round, right, they didn't know they were gonna trade, or maybe they did. Maybe they did. I talked about that with Will when he came on the Draft shows, like and you got to prepare for all contingencies. You know, they didn't know

they were gonna draft Connor McGovern. But in the grand scheme of things, you know, fans see the draft is like just hundreds and hundreds of names and anything's possible. These teams they know exactly what they want by all the time, who they want. By the time April comes around, they now exactly who they want. Tony Pollard was already like on some because somebody's board, Like I was like, Okay, we're gonna Pollard here before the draft. I mean, yeah,

they were gonna take him. Will said he was smitten by Pollard at the Senior Bowl. I mean, and maybe that didn't mean he was gonna draft him, but like he was on their radar three weeks after the season.

And the thing is, if they love him, but they know he's up fourth, fifth round pick whatever, right, If they know that, then when they get faced with the question of, well, there's this other guys sitting here in the second round, they usually are like, yeah, but we can wait a route and still get our guy that we really love. And so that's why they end up in a lot of instances with the guys they love, because each team has a different flavor of what they like.

Whence you get ouside that first round, it just seems like it's kind of whatever you whatever, you love, whatever your flavor is, and there might be one or two teams that might have the same love for that player, but the whole league doesn't love hi life and you don't really kind of know going into the draft wad. Each team's needs and warrants are, so you walking down. Tom actually did that two more times. He did it in two thousand and seven and he was right again.

Third round pick James Martin was not a good pick. A tackle, not a good pick. Did he ever play a game? He barely, but he was not very good. And then he did it in two thousand and eight. They had the twenty first pick again. I believe Jenkins and he actually know he missed it. He had the running back from Oregon that went to the Panthers. I can't forgetting his Jonathan Stuart. He had him and he

went like twelfth to the Panthers. But he thought that that too the Cowboys were going to take there, and then instead it took Felix. Stuart would have been Stewart just retired a Panther And when you get to do that, you usually had a pretty good care. Um, it isn't so. Walter and Abrams are in Oakland with Mike Mayock and John Gruden. Now interesting. I'll be curious to see what who and who Walter, Julife and Jimmy two scouts that left. They're both with the Raiders now. Um, the last time

Walter was a national scout. He's been doing this since before I was alive. Um, there's a lot of young scouts on this staff that they could conceivably promote, because you know, you have like four national scouts and then you have like eight regional guys who oversee a different part of the country. So it'll be interesting to see if they promote one of their guys up to the national position, or maybe if they don't feel like they

have anybody that's ready, they could hire another one. And as far as I know, they haven't made any decisions. Something to watch. They got those young guys out on the road. They're paying their dues right now. Oh yeah, that's what they got. They have a few guys that are are pretty new to the I mean when you can when you consider Walter doing this for thirty years. Yeah, so I wonder, you know, maybe maybe they feel really

good about one of those guys, or maybe they look elsewhere. Well, the only time we'll tell how that changes in the scouting process here for the Cowboys. In the meantime, that is all for today. They do have the Cowboys Home Run Derby. That's the name right tonight, So make sure to check out the website for any videos of players are going to be talking and giving some things, hopefully interesting things happening this offseason in the meantime for Nicki

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