Cowboys Break: An Update On The NFC

number eighty four. Welcome to another edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We appreciate you guys take it some time with us. I know it's been a while since we've been on the air together. We've been on in mixed groups, but we're back in the studio. How's everybody feeling this morning? Awesome? Awesome, so good, greatness, good good. All right, let's talk some Cowboys football. We're gonna do a couple of things today.

I first want to talk a little bit about the Cowboys and the playoffs. I know on our joint show yesterday we talked a little bit about that, but I want to nail you guys down on some specifics about the teams that are ahead of the Cowboys right now and looking at what they've got coming up and what they have to do in order for the Cowboys to be able to even winning out, because I think that's

the first part that has to happen. But with that happening, what the realistic likelihood is in each of your opinions that these other teams will do the things that they have to do in order for the Cowboys to jump past them. And we'll do that. But before we get to that, I did want to talk a little bit first about an injury concern Orlando Scandric. What do we know at this point about Orlando's injury and what his

possibilities are as far as time that he may miss. Well, they're just gonna take it day by day with him, sounds right. And transfer transverse process and the same thing as romo Yes, yeah, okay, So it's amazing the stuff you learn about injuries because of football. You're like, oh, yeah, you're transversal process. I know I've heard that before. Sure, I couldn't tell you, couldn't tell you really where it is or what it looks like, but I know it's

the romo bone. And you are the offspring of a doctor it's true, so you should know those things, right, he's a kind ecologist. I mean, yeah, not the same, not the same at all. Yeah, yeah, that um. But Jason Garrett made it sound yesterday like they're not ruling him out at all. Really, I mean, take that for what it's worth. I mean, Jason Garrett wouldn't rule a

guy out if he was missing a limb. But you know, Romo missed one game in twenty fourteen with the same injury, so and you know, Garrett also kind of allowed that it depends on the position. I mean, cornerback. You're not necessarily taking shots to your back, So I'd be I'd be kind of surprised if he plays this week, right, I would be surprised. But at the same time, you

never know what Scandrick. I mean, sometimes it sounds like he's you know, it's really like the worst thing, and then he comes back and he'll play and can't tell from really how he's making it out to be. So I think he I mean I think he might play. Actually yeah, I don't. We'll find out. And what what recourse do they have on the roster? Do they have any corners on practice squad? I mean, I guess they don't. They could just make him inactive because I was gonna

have been Wickery has been inactive. They've been making do without cheeto for a month at this point, so they could just use ben A if they wanted to, if they I think he's gonna play though, honestly, that would be amazing to me, just I mean, I you know, like we just said, Roma only missed a week. It's not it's not the be all end all of injuries. But you still have a cracked, slash broken bone in

your back and he is getting I guess. On the on the positive side, it is a ten day break, so it's like a week and a half until their next game, right, so so maybe that factors in. Yeah, it's a difference for them to be ready to play. But can we just stop and kind of marvel at that for a second, Like that you have a broken got like a three day break, so like maybe he can play with this broken bone in his back, Like that's insane. It is I that's football. I would sit

this week out if it were me. But I mean, I mean, they are playing the Giants, So what are you trying to say? I'm just saying and it's sort of like a bye weekend. Wow, damn, don't say that, because that that and then that makes me really nervous, like, oh god, that's that's. I hate when that happens, Like when you're just like, oh, it's just whoever in college football, when your team plays a seller dweller. In college football, you're like, great, yeah, we can get the starters out early,

like this will be an easy week. In the NFL, you're just like, ah, such things I don't want unless it's Cleveland. Cleveland officially is there be s Because the Cowboys played the Browns last year and I believe they were winless, and around this building heading into that game, everybody was terrified, not me, maybe not I remember. I actually remember. I remember brought us being scared of that and I was like, they will kick their ass by twenty one point, and he was worse than that. It

was twenty five. They were bad. I mean, they're just bad. But the problem is the Cowboys were a good team playing a bad team. Now the Cowboys are an average team at best right playing without Zeke, I think they're an average team at best playing a bad team, a bad team playing a division rival. That's the fired team. Wow, what happens when you fire your coach and you go to the Meadowlands? You play four fifteen? Actually one, it's

one o'clock this time. I understand it's one pm, but you know, the new version the Giant, the Giants version maybe is gonna be they're trying to one o'clock My life stadium. Yeah, all right, Um, one other thing, you guys can catch me up on Sean Lee. What's he looking like for this week? Like he's gonna play good to go perfect? I mean, they're gonna there's always more to it than that. I'm sure they're gonna ease him in. I wouldn't be surprised if he's limited to start the

week out. He talked to him at the hospital visits. I did how many questions before you got to that? Actually we started with that. It was it was you good to go blah blah blah playing the Giants? What will it be like without Eli? This was at like nine thirty in the morning. We didn't know Eli was back in the lineup at the time. He's like, oh, yeah, we actually had another coach. Yeah, it'll be it'll be kind of weird not playing against him. He's the only

Giants quarterback I've ever played against. Two hours later he's starting again. Um no. But we started with the injury stuff and then we are like, all right, what is the hospital visit? Oh yeah, just kind of it goes the other way around. Usually you try to they were beating around the bush, but we try to ease into it with some polite questions. But with Sean we were just like, you're playing, what's going on here? And he's like, I'm good, good to go? Well, yeah, okay. Thirty seconds

with Dak Prescott so and it was hospital visits. Why does your hand look all puffy like that? Saying yeah, his hand is very swollen, doesn't look good. But he says, oh, I signed autographs and I've you know, shook hands all day. I'm fine. I think he's gonna be funny. He's there's nothing he can do. It's just kind of it'll just go down. If it's not broken, then you just wonder about the grip of it. But he always plays well at the Metal Lands. So all right, let's let's move

into this playoff talk. And I know sometimes people get a little I know Nate was not very happy with playoff talk yesterday. Of course he wasn't, but but I do think it's worth talking about because, to be honest with I think fans care about it because fans are looking at this thing and saying, you know, basically, until the Cowboys are out of it, they want to know what are the possibilities that they can squeak into the tournament, because that's the object, Like, if you can squeak in,

it doesn't matter how you get there. If you can get in, then you never know what happened. But I can understand why Nate's frustrated by it. But at this stage, because even though we're in December, there's still four games to go, and there's nothing that any of these other teams will do. It doesn't matter if the Cowboys don't take care of their So that's like they have to. I mean, that's why I believe if they went out, they're in the playoffs. Okay, well that's where we're going.

They're going to be in the playoffs because right now, when you look at it, it's it's a pretty daunting task when you look at where they sit and what that what has to happen. Let me run this down for you and then I want to go team by team, and I want you guys to tell me how likely it is in your opinion that these teams do what they need to do in order to help the Cowboys.

All right, Yeah, let's just remember that the Cowboys are gonna go four and oh they have five in this scenario, daunting and all this stuff like the league's about to be flipped upside down anyways, so somebody's gonna fall on its head too. I hear what you're saying. I'm saying under this scenario, we are assuming that the Cowboys are gonna go They're gonna win all the rest of their games,

right craziness. And then if that happens, these other things have to happen, then they have at any other point this season. Yeah right, all right, that's a big assumption, but that's what we're gonna assume for a second. It's fine just to have this conversation, all right, whoa, Hey, they only need to go to and oh before before Zeke comes back the Christmas present comes back. Yeah, so I'll just take Zeca. Is he gonna be playing running back or three technique? Wow? I don't know, that's a

super duper size. I think he could be pretty good, though. Nobody's got faith in my guy to show up in shape. Huh Like I don't know or is he no idea? But I bet he's pissed right now. He's been tweeting the Battlehouse State. That's good, so he's watching it one time right now. He's too fat. I think I just missed those press conferences. I think you do too. He's pissed off and he should be. He's gonna show up and wonder who that was about? Roy? I was thinking

Roy could have been Marcus Spears. He called Marcus Spears Fats Domino. You know I saw last night this is off the subject Colston Weatherington, the old name from back in the day. Nick probably yeah, see it called him big Sea. Yeah, I'll tell you what that two thousand and one Look the part two thousand and one draft was one of the best arena league draft in the NFL. Yeah,

where's brought us? Get him in? He'll get My favorite thing for y'all that are listening, one of the best things that happened at our job is when Nick starts recounting the old Cowboys draft, how bad they were that brought us had a hand in and brought us is like, yeah, we saw. He says, the same thing. You were put on this earth to remember all the bad drafts we have. So I was out of a job right way to go.

It never gets old. And the thing about it is he takes a beating for it, but he was on the pro side of it for most of the time. I mean, but you know him, he's the same guy. So he's gonna be like, hey, we all had a party. It falls on the sword. But but every time Brian brought us has ever run into Dave Campo, he apologizes to him, and I've heard it's kind of uncomfortable because

Dave doesn't really know what to say. It's fine, okay, I mean literally, Brian was a part of one of the best free agent pickups they've ever had ever, Leroy Glover. That was is one of the best signings ever and I think he was had a big part of that. He did, so he'll tell you all about it. I'll tell you about it. But he also will he takes it. He takes he'll take it. He'll take it, all right. So here's we're gonna do. We're gonna go through this list of teams and I want to I'm gonna start

from the bottom. I'm gonna start with the teams that are closest to the Cowboys. Right now, there are six teams that are right now either positioned as high as wildcard teams right now all the way down to teams that are vying for the wild card, and there are six of them ahead of the Cowboys right now. I'm sorry on two three, there are five of them ahead of the Cowboys right now. So basically, you've got six teams that are battling for two wildcard spots. Does that

make sense? Yes, So let's start from the bottom ahead of the Cowboys. Five of them ahead of the Cowboys, right yep. So let's start from the bottom at the ones closest to the Cowboys, and I'll tell you what they need to do. I'll tell you what their schedule looks like, and I want you to tell me how realistic it is that they're gonna do that. Right The

Green Bay Packers right now are six and six. They're playing this weekend at Cleveland, and then next week they get Rogers back and they have to play at Carolina, at Minnesota, at Detroit. The Cowboys need them if the Cowboys went out. The Cowboys need them to lose only once. How realistic is the Green Bay Packers lose once? They better lose to the Browns this weekend. Man, I'm telling you if they do, if they find a way past the Browns, I'm putting them in the playoffs. Yeah, yes,

are you kidding me? It's hard to bet against him. I mean, you got other than the fact they're playing at Minnesota. Minnesota is playing out of its mind. I don't care, like I'm sorry again, and people give me crap about it. I love Aaron Rodgers too much, I get it, but he's the man, and Minnesota's the team that hurt him, and like he's gonna be so pissed

off to play that game. I think, yeah, if he gets back and they're seven, So if they're seven and six and he comes back, they're going three, No, like I would bet on it. So they're not gonna They're gonna be one of the playoff teams. So now you're down to five teams battling for one spot. That I mean, that's I mean, I get nixt point that if the Cowboys really get on a role like some other some other breaks will fall their way, and like some teams

have to lose. There's a lot of divisional games coming up, but like a lot of stuff has to go their way over these I mean, even if they went out, they still need some help. Like their percentage of making the playoffs only at like seven or eight. Oh yeah, they need they need a lot of help. That's what

we're going through right now. A lot of help. Amber Well, I mean according to you guys that they're no, no team is gonna lose against the Browns, so they need I mean no, that would be the most NFL thing ever. Is like everybody's like, if they beat the Browns, Rogers comes back, they're going and then and they look past them, They look past them thinking just got one more game

to get through. They're playing at Cleveland. That would be Nick's like I think, I mean, seriously, why wouldn't Cleveland Still hasn't won, have they? No, that's the kind of game that a windless team wins. I imagine Aaron Rodgers walking through that locker room, like after they lose to the Browns, He's just like really, like, y'all are pitiful, Like you can't help me out, You can't beat the Browns and help like, help me, help you get get me a seven and six record so I can get

us to the playoffs. And you can't even do that. I don't think they'll go three and now with him, He don't. Don't they'll lose one. You think they'll lose one, Yamber, you think I don't think he'll be he can't. Yeah, it's hard to bet against him, but there must be a loss right in there like him. But the bone is the bone, right, I mean, it wants the bones heel, the bones healed. I tell that to Tony Row. We

have we I think we are all pretty experienced and covering. Yeah, the broken collarbone injury, and I mean we haven't really ever seen anybody come back from it, and it'll be pretty early if he comes back, so well, I think so it's gonna end up being like eight weeks. Wasn't it? Wasn't it a collar bone that he came back from in twenty thirteen and he he put the he put the Packers in the playoffs with the last second one

against the Was that a collar bone? I thought it was? No, I don't remember, but oh, you know what, that's not true, I said. He hadn't come back. Romo came back from it, but he didn't look great. No, that's true. I mean it took a while for him to get going and then he and he reinjured it. So I'm just not I'm not. I don't think Superman is coming back this year. I think he'll come back and he'll help him. He'll probably be better than the other guy, but I don't know.

I think it'll be he'll be good enough. I think that Rogers return is gonna help the Cowboys because he's gonna beat some of those teams. Welcome. It's at Caroline, it's at Minnesota, and it's at Detroit. Which Detroit's gonna be the next team we talk about? Um they right now. They finished the season with four straight road games. No, no, no, no no, Green. Minnesota's got to be at home Minnesota. Yeah,

that's where he No, Minnesota's home. He got hurt. He got hurt at matt Minnesota, so that that game will be at home, probably at Cleveland, and then home against um who will say Carom against Minnesota at Carol. Maybe that's it. I don't know, it doesn't matter all right, But Dave, you're the only one saying that right now that Rogers that that they win down the show. You think they went all for their remaining games. I'm not betting against my guy. If they lose, then it'll be

at the Browns this weekend. All right, let's turn to Detroit. Detroit is also six and six, and they have they need to lose one game for the Cowboys to move ahead of them. They're playing at Tampa Bay, They're playing Chicago at Cincinnati, and then they finished the season against Green Bay. None of those teams other than Green Bay seems like a really certainly not great teams. None of them probably are going to be in playoff contention. However,

Detroit's not playing great right now themselves. Can I do my best Eatmon impression? Yeah, it's the Lions, Like, why why are we talking about They're gonna go They're gonna go eight and eight or seven and nine. Okay, they are the quintessential can't keep it together. Vikings are gonna beat the Packers again, and the Packers are gonna beat

the Lions, so both of them. Last year was the first time the Lions have ever kept it together long enough to make the playoffs, right, like they started six and two, and I think they finished nine and seven, Like they didn't even finish that strong, and they eked in and they lost by like thirty points to the Seahawks in the playoffs, so like even when they get there, it doesn't matter, Like they're not making the playoffs, all right,

Let's move on to Atlanta. Atlanta right now seven and five, they're game ahead of the Cowboys, but they also have a tie break because they beat them head to head, which means that the Cowboys really need them to lose twice or at least a game and a half in order for the Cowboys to be ahead of them. They have down the stretch, they play New Orleans at New Orleans and at home, so they play New Orleans twice.

They're sandwiched in between those games is a road trip to Tampa Bay and then they finished the season against Carolina. Do they lose two of those final four need to be big Saints fans for the next month, And could you kind of want the Saints at this point to push ahead, just keep winning, right, I mean with the Seahawks, I'm sorry, with the Eagles losing on Sunday night, the Saints are in play for a buy now too, so I would imagine they're going to be pretty motivated. So yeah,

the Eagle game was was like a double way. I mean for sure because now I did Seattle win, But I don't see any way Philadelphia has nothing to play for it the last game of the season. If even if it's just to to get home fill advantage advantage, or they may be sitting in the number two spots, they don't want to fall to three. I mean, the way the Vikings are playing, the way the Saints are playing,

that game's gonna mean something. Even if it's one and two, gonna have a buy and you got a big battle and for that top spot for the where the championship game will be, it's worth playing. So you're saying we

could still get flexed. Oh yeah, I thought about that. Yeah, there's a there's a likely if the I'll say this, if the Cowboys get on this winning streak and they have one up until that point and Philly has something to play off play for, you best believe that game's gonna get There would be nothing like greater in the world than to just be sitting like on a plane, just eating like a like a cheese and Packers and be like, hey, we happened New Year? Ye okay, whatever,

I gotta like this you too? Oh that would be miserable. Yeah, first world problems. Although although if they actually win the game and they're in the playoffs, does that change it a little bit? That that blame would be pretty pretty lit. Just gonna say one thing that you got to remember here is, yeah, Falcons, Packers, those those teams have a tie break. I get it. But if it comes down to let's say that Seattle loses a game and you beat you have to beat Seattle. So now you're tied

with Seattle and you're tied with Atlanta. You know it happened to the Cowboys a few years ago, Like why were the Cowboys having to play Green Bay? They beat Seattle?

Why did Seattle get him? Because when you get into a three way tie, head to head isn't always doesn't really matter, so you and that's also the thing when you start talking about the NFC South, if there are two teams in NFC South that are part of that tie, then they have to kind of figure out between the two of them first who is the one that's ahead, and then you do the tie break with them and the other team. Right, So that also will help if the Cowboys are in there and they'll say it's Atlanta

and Carolina that they're tied with. If Carolina has the tie break over Atlanta sure like as a division, then that means that the Cowboys would then only be have tie breaks against Carolina. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, the NFC record is not great either, but it will be. It'll get better if they went down. Not only record that there's that's any good right now? Is division? That's yes about it? It's nothing so people hearing I keep hearing people talk about that, and I'm like, I don't

even know why that's relevant. It isn't if you're if I mean at all. I mean, it doesn't. There's no tiebreaker that that goes to that, right, I think not unless you're not unless you're in again one of those tie breaks scenarios and it's another team from your division. Right Yeah, guys, Yeah, the Cowboys went out and the Eagles lose out. Let's get really crazy division champs. All right, let's take our final break when we come back. We do still need to talk first break, where what are

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condition exclusions and warranty limitations apply. So can you love the details? Back to the break Welcome back, second segment of The Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're talking about playoffs. What the Cowboys chances are getting into the playoffs. We're going through and looking at each team, um and trying to decide if we think it's a realistic chance. What? Why is that funny laughing? Because I I'm thinking of the Jerry drop

to open the show. I guarantee that if they lose one of these games, you're just gonna hear that drop. Well, so much for that. Yeah, that's why it was. All could go away very quickly if you take one loss. So yeah, that's but I understand we haven't done a show in a week. We need to talk about all these we do but nothing, nothing really matters if you don't go out and win these games. You gotta go beat Eli Manning. Yep, let's put Nate and Nick on the nothing matters if they don't win the show and

they can talk about that. Yeah, I'm okay, All what I'm saying is is that they have to take care of them. For sure, they have to win. I mean it's still kind of early because there's gonna be some something that you just don't expect. You just don't I mean, you don't expect some of these teams to to you know, get hot or you know, lose two or three in a row. The Eagles to lose two in a row. So they got one more loss and they're gonna lose.

You did say that they'll lose some Yeah, they got the Rams next, So all right, so let's get to Carolina. Carolina right now is at eight and four, two games ahead of the Cowboys. UM. Their schedule is pretty tough down the stretch. They've got Minnesota this week. UM, and then they've got Green Bay, presumably with the return of Aaron Rodgers. Then they've got Tampa Bay. Then they've got Atlanta. Three of the four teams or playoff contention type teams. Uh,

do you think they can win? You think they will lose two games to give the Cowboys a shot here. I do not respect the Panthers and and that's a that's that's on me. I just don't like their game. I don't that. I would never really think that they're gonna win. They obviously do. They're eight and four, it's really good record. I don't think they have offensive playmakers that are that great. I don't really love the quarterback at all. I don't know. I just feel like they're

always gonna lose. But they don't. They don't scare me. They're just so they're so Jekyll and Hide, like they can be so good and so bad. Yeah, defense is awesome. I got a chance to watch a good part of that game against the Saints, and they got awesome players at like every level of their defense. And then but base, I mean, Nick's right, like there's nobody really on that offense that terrifies me. Christian McCaffrey's all right. Bertis Samuel was having a good season until he wunches. Is their

best receiver. Yeah, it like it based like if Cam balls out, they win, and if he isn't awesome, they lose. That's and he is not consistent at all, So it just kind of depends on what Cam you're getting. Really like, I think that ultimately is what it boils down to, Like if he's if he's on his game, they're pretty

tough to beat. And if he's not, I mean, like they kind of I mean for being eight and four were they were eight and three going into it, like they kind of got their butts kicked yea by the Saints, And I mean, I know if you watch the game, it really felt like they got their bus kid for sure, and the Saints ran all over him. Which defense is

their calling cards. So I think linebackers and the speed at linebackers is really the key to beating beating them because you got to be able to somewhat spy him and not let camp just go crazy and run the ball. If he has to sit sits in there and you know, make those throws from the pocket, that's not his strength. I mean, he needs to be kind of out running.

So to me, if you have a good fast defense, and you know, I guess the Saints kind of you would say have a fast defense somehow the Saint like the Saints went from laughing stock to respectable defense overnight. I don't know. I personally I think that they'll they'll kind of be what are they eating for? It smells like ten and six to me, Okay, they would lose two in that scenario and you think they're they're down

there where that gives Cowboys a chance. Yeah, all right, you kind of need to be in a three way tie with somebody that you didn't you didn't play, Yeah, Amber, what do you think? I agree? But I mean the Panthers, it is a team that I just I'm on Nique side on this one. I just never know, like I really don't like them. But then again, they are winning and they are better than the Cowboys right now. So it's one of those that you just hope to see

them lose, but they just keep winning. So I'm not sure. I think they could definitely win all of that all of those games. So you know, you get to the point in the season two where you know you're talking about what they've done and you think, well, you know this is this is the type of team they're going to be. But you gotta remember, you gotta just look no further than the Cowboys. Some of these really good teams that Cowboys have had, even back to two thousand

and seven. You know, it's different in December. It gets it's tougher to win, it's tough for throw it's tougher to do the same type of things that you normally do. So I think those teams that are kind of built for a cold weather are gonna, you know, have a chance to maybe you know, keep this thing going. But because just because of what you've seen and through the first three months doesn't mean you'll see it in the

final month. You wonder about a team like Philly, you know, but I mean I think I think Carson Wentz, you know, will be fine throwing the ball whatever. But you know, some of these teams that maybe throw the ball a

little bit more that maybe not as good. Well, the other thing I'll point out here too, is that you actually kind of want them to win some of these games because you kind of want them to put that loss on Atlanta, and you may even want them to put that loss on Green But I kind of feel like Green Bacon can maybe lose to Minnesota if you buy into that, and so that gets them the loss, and then you want Carolina to lose the other games.

But but yeah, you do want them to win that Atlanta game because you need to put losses on Atlanta as well. So that's the other part. And you guys set this at the beginning. It's so true. These teams are all going to play each other, and so what you don't want is you don't want these teams that are playing each other to kind of win and lose.

You want somebody to get on a role and just win, and you want the other ones to just get on a role and just lose, so that yes, maybe one spot is taken as a wild card, but that other spot gets vacated because all these other teams are taking losses. That's really what you want to see. You don't want them split in these games? Could you split them? And then everybody kind of still stays right there above the Cowboys.

All right, let's talk about the last team that's in that mixed Seattle eight and four Cowboys will play them. And so if we're assuming the Cowboys are gonna win, that would be one loss. They'll need one more against Seattle. Seattle has on the remaining on their schedule. They're at Jacksonville this week, they play the Rams, then they're at the Cowboys, and then they finished the season against Arizona. Likelihood that they get another loss other than the Cowboys

pretty good, yeah, pretty good chance. Who do you think can get them? Well? Jacksonville this week? Any of those three. Really are you buying Jacksonville? Yeah, I'm buying that defense. A defense is good, and you know the way Seattle plays, I mean those games, that game will be close. It'll be a close, tight game. I mean, Russell Wilson's playing great. Yes, thing is he put he's putting up. They're putting up

a pretty good amount of points. And I mean that was that wasn't a bad defense that they beat up on last week. Philadelphia has a good defense. So does make me wonder against the Jacksonville team where you know, offensively they're pretty inept, like they don't have the greatest offensive. If they can't run the ball, you can shut them down. I don't know if it'll be enough to be able to beat a team like Seattle. Let's let's have a

conversation here. Like my love for Aaron Rodgers as well established, Russell Wilson is entering into that territory. I was having this conversation with somebody the other day like he is he is in that category or is rapidly climbing into that category where you're just like he's on the field, all right, they got a shot. I don't care who they're playing. I don't care who's on their injury report. I don't care where the game is. They got a chance because he's awesome. He is in right now in

the NFL. He is my favorite quarterback to watch. He's oh my god, it's so fun to watch him because you it's like Romo when Romo kind of got into the league and he's spinning in Whirland and you don't know where he's gonna go, and guys think they got him sacked, and then all of a sudden he's out of it, and it's just fun to watch. It is really fun to watch. I was not under the impression, like I wouldn't have put him in that category when

when the season started. But I mean, Brady Rogers not even like I mean, like Drew Brees is capable of playing that way, but like the way they're playing, it's they don't even lean on him that way. But like Russell Wilson is one of those three or four guys where he just they have a chance because he's there. I mean, how many games this season has he accounted?

You know, Seattle will put up three hundred and eighty yards of offense and three hundred and fifty of them are his, you know, like they don't even bother running the ball anymore, and think about it for that standpoint, like the running, the running backs aren't great. Offensive line literally average at best. Thing is great. Baldwin is the

best receiver that they got, and that's not great. Right, Graham's coming along, But I was gonna say as a tight end, Graham is actually catching a lot of touchdowns and that's that's a good thing. But even their defense, where that's been their calling card, they've lost two of their best defensive players and still haven't seemed to miss a beat. So all that being said, I think they're putting a ton on the shoulders of Russell. Of of Russell,

and he's still managing to play extremely well. They can get him win the way he's playing, and nobs like this would involve them beating the Cowboys, which renders the Cowboys playoff chances moot. But I would not be surprised if they wind up winning the NFC West. I agree with them if they beat the Rams that they win out like and then you could find yourself in a situation where the Rams are the wild card, which that ain't good for the cow They have a tiebreaker over

you as well. So, like I mean, if you're listening, it's very evident just from hearing all that, like a lot of stuff has to go the Cowboys way over the next month on top of them winning all their games. Ye. So I'll finish that with that question, how likely do you think it is the Cowboys win all four of their final games? Not likely. This team has not shown any kind of consistency other than to be inconsistent. That's the only consistency that we've really seen from them. So

I don't know. I just with Zeke, I mean they didn't they were five and three, so, but they were getting on a roll when he went out, they were kind of getting You could feel that they were starting to get there, starting to roll, right, I mean three games in a row, right, But just the way they were playing offensively, the way they were playing, it seemed like they were starting to find their rhythm and they were starting to get on a role to where the

yards were coming a lot easier than they were earlier in the season. Right, you guys agree with that? Yes? Yeah, Which that's honestly, this all sounds like a tough task and I've used this cliche a few times already, but like it's it's a two game season, because the whole thing changes if you're if you can get to Seattle at eight and six, Yeah, I give him. I mean I think you got a puncher's chance. You see what

happens if that comes to pass. Obviously, I mean that's a tough task going on the road twice and getting two wins without him. I mean there's you know, they're six and six and they have not beaten a team with a winning record. So but that's you know, that's not really doesn't really matter at this point. You know, you're gonna play the Giants. The Raiders might have a

winning record if you play them. You know, Seattle probably will if you get to play them, And then you gotta beat Philly and they definitely will, so you know, but my point is is that the wins those three games on a role you're talking about. They beat the Redskins, Okay, that was a pretty good game. And they beat the Chiefs and the Chiefs now look horrible, verrym mortal. And they beat the forty nine ers, which I think Clemson could too. Yeah, wouldn't put it past maybe, but I

don't know. I just I look at the Niners be in the final four. The Niners would just absolutely roll to the night. I'm king, of course they would. But yeah, it's it's gonna be tough. But I do think it's doable. And I've said this at the beginning of the season.

I still believe it. I think if the Cowboys have Ezekiel Elliott, and certainly if they have Tyren Smith and they have Sean Lee and these guys that have been kind of banged up throughout the year, if they are at eight and six heading to to play set the roster, getting ready to play Seattle, and they've got there, they got all those guys in, then they will be among the healthiest teams in the league. When you started looking at it from that perspective, Um, and that does give them,

like you said, David, does give them a puncher's chance. Again, a lot of things have to work out their way, but I think this is far from over. It's just you know, obvious. This is so obvious. But like you know, back in October, You're like, this loss of the Rams is gonna come back and haunt them. Yeah, it sure did. There could you feel a lot better right now if you were seven and five doing this whole thing and had that tie breakover, Yeah, the Rams who could find

themselves being a wild card. Um, if if Seattle keeps winning, if you could just have one, would you take that one? Or Atlanta? Even though the Atlanta it was not even close. Well, you have to take Atlanta because right now Atlanta is a wild card? Or would you They're firmly planted as a wild cart. They're not gonna win a division. I know, well wild card contender, they wouldn't playoffs. Know what I mean is like there you're gonna be battling with them

for a wild card. They're not gonna win their division. Rams, They're still up there and possibly win their division. I would take Atlanta because it means that you played a decent game against them without Zeke, which is I mean, I know, they just makes you feel better, Yeah, I mean,

they beat the crap out of the Redskins. Kudos to them, good job, but like the offense still wasn't really that great like they I mean, they got it done mainly because the takeaway is an awesome special teams play like that was the catalyst for that win. So if they had managed to find a way to beat Atlanta, then I would assume that meant that they were playing better on offense, and that would give me more hope that they can win these next two games without him. All right,

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felt about Tommy John. You know what, when you want to wake up in the morning and feel good about yourself, just put on some Tommy John. You won't even really feel anything at all, just because of that you're seeing wear You could you can, but I don't think so. I think you should probably, you know, get a nice you know, when you're fresh and clean in the morning after a shower, hopefully that you can get on a fresh prayer of Tommy John. Here, you guys, goold. I

do with a clone tour Patchy Patch. If you joe to Tommy John dot com Forward's Last Cowboys, you'll get twenty percent off your first order. I would think at this point most people are already on their first second order. I don't know what you get for your second order. Maybe maybe it's not twenty percent. I don't know. It's a good, good question. Only one way to find out, and that's Tommy John dot com and Ford's Last Cowboys. Thank you, Nick boom Amber. You got some questions for

us I do. Since we haven't been here for a while, I thought i'd give the fans a chance to shoot out their questions and for you guys to answer them. Okay, so all right, what would be y'all's best come nation of players at each position in the secondary? Well, I really like what Cheeto did at cornerback the other night, So I'm a Cheeto fan. I'm ready to ride with that. Yeah. Um, so he's on one side. I never probably Jordan on

the other side. So you are Scandrick out. I mean I I never liked him that much on the outside, like he's such a good slot cornerback. I don't want to didn't like him very much. You know I love Orlando Scandrick. Yeah, it's not a lie. He's like, he's his his prickly personality resonates with me. I makes so much sense. I know, um, Georgy love you. I think he likes me more than most people that come into the locker room. I thought, you say, just most people

in general. He's like he was being a jerk to me one time recently and I was like, leave me alone, and he was like, you know, like the fact that I bother messing with you at all means I like you, right, And I was like, yeah, okay, he's still annoying. He does stop buying, kind of have a little conversation with you from Thomas out on the plane, I think he I think he likes you. We're home. Is it just Dave and like, is he having the conversation with Dave?

Well sometimes yes, but there's also sometimes but the whole plane. Yeah, he's just talking out loud and hoping somebody bites on whatever he's saying. Yeah and see where it goes. Right, He's a Fisherman conversation guy, just like, hey, cheet on this one, cheeto, Jordan Scandrick, Um, Hey, let's I mean let's just ride the hot hand here, Cavan get out there, um and then whatever I mean by want the other one.

It doesn't matter. I've been saying that since July, Like just it they rotated anyway, Just whatever combination you got. It's not great, but it is what it is. Like, Yeah, they're all gonna play. Thing about Heath is that Heath is better than Byron Jones and he's worse than Byron Jones. Like Byron Jones doesn't have a lot of bad, bad plays, Heath will have some bad plays, but he has some

good plays. The play the other night where Crowder fumbled and it was calf was touching the ground and they called it you know, him down and ball went to Heath. I mean, Heath is the one that picked it up. He also got the interception. He's got another interception. He's picked off Aaron Rodgers twice in a year when no one was doing that. The ball kind of finds him the Bucks game, two interceptions, but he also lost the game because he had a holding penalty that you know,

when they had the game won. So Heath is just kind of you know, he's very up and down, and Byron Jones is just kind of there and didn't really do anything. So does that answer anything? Yeah, about Xavier Woods, I think he's I've there, You've seen flashes of potential from him, but he's the classic case of like if you were to throw him out there for sixty snaps, I'm I'm not convinced they would look good. Is that

just youth an inexperience. Absolutely, he's a rookie. He's a But you got two other rookies out there also, Okay with those guys, two other rookies, one in the corner. Yeah, they were drafted much higher. I mean, I know, like we were really high on Xavier Woods during the draft process. He was still a Day three pick. A Cheeto was his top sixty. Jordan Lewis would have been a first round pick if not for the off the field stuff. So I think that's a little bit different. Okay, Von Frasier,

great game showed some you know, physical nature. That's awesome, But let's see how Let's see what happens when he's asked to do everything that a safety needs to do. Because I've seen a safety around here that was a five time Pro bowler that once the team's figured him out, he was nothing, and so let's see if he has to go and do those things. So if he can play closer to the line of scrimmage like Barry Church did a lot of times, great because I think that's

that's what he's good at. But if he has to go back and cover, we'll see if he can handle that. And that kind of plays into my point, which is between the four main candidates to play safety, you can kind of get it done moving them around and getting them all out there and give them all a role like there's no two guys that you're just like, these are the guys that need to be playing eighty snaps a game like they don't have that. And that's why I mean, I think safety is one of their top

two or three draft needs because of that. Well, the other thing I'll say about Cavon Frazier and I mentioned this on the show yesterday, is he does give them an attitude that I think right now is sorely missing on this defense. I don't think you have a lot of guys on this defense deal really pop a guy, and I think he will, and I think that's something that even though today's NFL, you're not going to get away with the stuff you would have gotten away with

ten or fifteen years ago. I still do think having a safety who is a short tackler and attacks with a thud, I think there's something to that, and I think he provides that for you. None of your other safeties provide that. Yeah, it's one of the worst positions in the NFL for a guy to play because it's really a no wins because it's changed so much yet.

I mean, that game last night was atrocious, and you know, you feel for a lot of those players because they're trying to be in a physical situation and you know, the game happened so fast, and then next thing you know, you know they're getting fined because the super SlowMo you just see helmet to helmet, you know. But then if the guy backs off in the end zone and doesn't hit helmet the helmet, then he looks soft and he give it protucts down so they have no no shot. Well,

you guys brought up um Byron Jones. How committed do you guys think that the Cowboys are with him long term? Like financially? Yeah? Like moving forward? Like how committed? Well, he's got it entering, He's entering his fourth season, so you got to make your decision on a fifth year option win May and it's coming me. I don't think they do. I would not either. I can't. I can't see what justifies it right now. I think they moved positions. I think he moves to corner I would do. Does

a corner is ead any better? I mean, like, no, he's not. But I mean he is not very big to play safety. He he's always on some I mean, but it's not softy back ride king. But does does the size really matter as much as just is? Or is it just his ability to tackle isn't as as good as it needs to be in order to play safety, because there have been some safeties in the league that aren't big guys that are good safeties, right I just Eric Weddle is a good one that comes to mind.

Like he's a shorter guy, but he's a good safety. In a perfect world, I would spend my first or second round draft pick on a starting caliber safety, and I would have Byron play the final year of his contract as like that dime tight end guy, like the extra defensive back. Is that what you want from a guy you draft in the first round? No, but basically you're about to make him JJ Wilcox type just that kind of number snap and I think he's he's really he would be really good in that role. He has

been before, and I think it works for him. That allows him to find the balance between his size and his his athleticism. Like he's not out there playing corner. He's not that great at safety, but he can cover and you know, deal with tight ends and do stuff like that. Like I said, it's it's a role playing job. It's not what you want from a guy you drafted in the first round, but that's where you're at. That's what I would do. Like I I'm not trying to go into twenty eighteen with him as one of my

primary defensive starters. That's I wouldn't do that. But the Ryan Switzer earn his swagger, I think that might have been directed at me. Maybe I need a few more games that do that every game for the rest of the year, how about it, and then you can have swagger. Hey, that was pretty badass. If he wants to swagger walk around, I think he earned it. But you know the thing about it is we and we said, we talked about this.

I think it was the last week of the week before he had started showing that he's gonna break one of these, Like he started having some some returns where you were you were saying, like he's in position in some of these instances, he makes one different cut here or there, and he could take that to the house. And so I think I don't think it's just about

what he did last weekend. Obviously scoring makes a difference, but really what he's been doing the last few weeks suggests that he's starting to get it and it's starting to get to a point where he is becoming a bit of a threat in the return game. Yeah, he's got existently, he's gotta get up the field. And then when you get up the field, that's where things will start breaking down, you know, and you're gonna take some

big hits. There's gonna be sometimes when you you guess wrong and you're gonna get hit by a guy going, you know, fifty yards down the field and he's obviously gonna be bigger than him. So you know that you're gonna take some big shots. But I think it's a risk reward thing, and um, he's definitely done better, and yeah, he's took him a while, but he's getting there. I thought he would be more involved in the offense, especially as stagnant as it is. I thought he would be

involved in it, but he hasn't been. Well, Cole hasn't either, So it's hard to get two of those guys involved when you can't even get one in it. So that's the next question. If I mean, based on what we've seen with him and the speed he has and all that, would you guys want to see him more involved in the offense? Give me this? Yeah, give me this one, right? I was thinking same thing. Here's the here's the problem.

This guy's not going anywhere. It doesn't want to go anywhere, and it's really hard for the coach and staff to do anything. And that's the he's the I hate to say this, but when it comes to Switzer, hears they progress stopper. But they could use him on things like the Jets sweep, which I think the way that they used Lucky, there's no reason why they couldn't use Switcher

the same way. And they were getting there was a point last year when they had a stretch of five or six games, well they were doing that every game and getting ten twelve yards every time they tried it. And I think that again, when you have a team where you're trying to figure out ways to run the ball and move the ball, but you want to be able to run the ball, that just creates one more dynamic that you have to pay attention to. You can buying Alfred Morris with the jet sweep, with Dak being

able to run. Now, there are a lot of different ways you can run the ball, and the defense has to count for every single one of them, and I think that only helps you. I just I'm a little bit surprised that they haven't started doing that more, especially with Zeke out of the lineup. Yeah, you're right, especially now that Zeke's not there. It seems like something that

would make sense. It doesn't seem like it should be that hard, even with Jason Witton out there, to get him two to four touches a game, or like you could do that with twelfth personnel, give him, give him a package. I don't know. Um, I think that I think these these guys are they I think of it as stubborn, and they think of it like they're they're committed to their philosophy and who they are and blah blah blah, and I think they're stubborn. I don't, they don't.

It's a thin line between commitment and stubbornness, right, I mean, it's one of those questions where like, I don't, I don't have a great answer because I don't. I think it's weird too. So I know we talked about this several weeks ago, and I don't really want to get into it too much, but people are asking Randy Gregory, what's gonna happen with him? Is it looking like a

possibility of coming back? I know that I heard Brian the other day to kind of mentioned I guess you have to like sign something, you have to petition the league for reinstatement. He hasn't done that from what I hear. No, he was supposed to have a hearing back to the beginning of November. I don't know if anything came of that. He hasn't been reinstated. Even when he is reinstated, he can't come back to the team until January. It's a

moot point for this season. We explain that to me, he can be reinstated but not allowed to come back to the team, or not allowed to play. He's serving a suspension right now. Right, what I'm saying is you said he could be reinstated and not be allowed to come back. If you think about like being like you're not well, you're not banned from the league or whatever when you're suspended, you know what I like not Zeke

doesn't need to be reinstated. Randy was suspended enough times or had enough problems that that's a whole different thing. You say reinstated, your meaning be reinstated as a as an NFL player that's still suspended. Yes, got you. And it's a year long suspendon, Like, it's not games, it's a calendar year, and so he's not eligible to actually come back from suspension until January, right, so you won't

see him this year. I don't honestly like to be one hundred percent reel like, I don't know where it sits one hundred percent right now. I know he's still got to deal with that. I've heard that there's reason for optimism that maybe that can all work out in time, but it won't. I hope it's I hope those reasons for optimism or things happening in Dallas and not Cleveland.

That's what I hope, Oh not while you're talking about John, about Joshua Gordon, who you never thought would come back to the league again, and he has and had a pretty decent data other. Yeah, that's great. No, that's a that's an awesome story. But I mean, like, just the reason for optimism based on what's going on in Randy's Gregory's life. I hope so. And there's also a big difference to josh Gordon lit up the league. Randy Gregory still, I mean before all of this was not a great

pass rusher. I mean, that's a young needing to develop pass A choice of words there, lit up the league. Sorry, good point. I was like to be like that, but I was like, ring it up. I'm like, what's wrong with that? He had a great year and oh that's what he's talking about. So let's just hope this doesn't happen. But if the Cowboys are mathemlodically got it, Yes, I

got it slowly close enough. If they're math, yeah, out of the playoff, would you guys expect the Cowboys to sit out Shaun Lee, Janalen Smith and even seek would you want them to do that? Play football? You get sixteen games a year play football. That's yeah, and my thing, that's what they'll say. Yeah, I mean sixteen games. You only get sixteen games, so it's not like basketball or baseball, well you got hundreds or you know, eighty something games,

hundred games, whatever it is. I understand the point those might not be the best three. What about Tyrant Smith if he's already got an injury that he's been playing through and he's gonna need to have surgery, and going ahead and doing the surgery gets him back a little sooner. Yeah, maybe Shaun Lee has been dealing with hamstrings all year, gon need surgery. That's my point. I'm talking about surgery.

Like if you if there's gonna need to need to be a surgery in the off season for particular injury you already have, and if you go ahead and do the surgery, now it just speeds that timeline up a little bit so that you're back and maybe get some of the offseason work. Then I say, go ahead and do it. But absent to that, let him play. And you know what they would want to play, like Sean Lee wants to play every game that he's able to affect his money too. Yeah, I mean and I get

that they're professionals. They're gonna want to do their jobs whatever I'm It's my same thing with preseason games, honestly, Like and I get that I'm in the minority and that if they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, if you've ever made a Pro Bowl, by if you've ever made a Pro Bowl or an All Pro team, you're done as far as I'm concerned, because right now, if you're the Giants, that's what you would do. You would you

would take all those guys they're mathematically eliminated. You would take all those guys that are your best players and you sit them down for a month. You can't do that, Dave. It's a little bit different in a situation like that where I'm with the Cowboys. We're probably talking about two games. We're probably like, we're not talking about a whole month. Like if you're yeah, if you're one in ten, you got to evaluate your team moving forward for the next season.

There's a new regime coming in that wants to see that type of stuf. You're probably talking about a game or two here. If the Cowboys are out, I wouldn't play them. This is a callous thing to say. But these guys are assets, that's what they are. Why are you subjecting them to needless rich Your fans are assets too.

The fans are the ones to pay them. And then and somebody's go opening up a Christmas present that says, Hey, I get to go to the game to watch the Cowboys play the Seahawks, and because they're mathematically eliminated, I don't get to watch Dak, I don't get to watch Zeke, I don't get to watch Russell Wilson, I don't get to watch Richard Sherman because everyone's math. You know, I'm with you. That's a tough one. And I go back to the sixteen games thing. You know, it's about playing.

And I get your point. I mean, I know what you're saying about, you know, protecting them from next year, But there's not that many injuries that would happen there that prevent them from the next season. Not really. I mean it's torn achilles or something like that. Those injuries exist, exist, exist, But I get your point. Hit by the bus by because they were inactive, Well, well that's it goes back to the whole I mean, that's what get hits by but it goes back to the whole argument I had

with Mickey in the summer though. He's like, Wow, they'll just get hurt in the regular season game instead of the preseason game. And I say, well, let him get hurt. I'm get hurt in a game that matters. That's what I think. And I get I get what you're saying. The preseason thing is it makes Yeah, that makes a lot more sense to me. But sixteen regular season games is all you get. And these guys think about they practice all year long, except for maybe a couple months off,

just to be able to have sixteen games. And I'm I'm like I said, I think they would all want to play. Like I'm not suggesting that they're trying to get out of games. I'm saying I'd say it. I'd be like, that's great, you want to play. Awesome. We weren't good enough before and now there's no points to put you at risk. So would you say, Sean, if you've made a Pro Bowl, I would sit you. That's if I mean. And again, and it's do you even

have enough offits of time in to play? We have to go for two because Bailey, he's not playing, make it work. We'll make it work again. Heat we're talking about we're talking about like one maybe two games, not like six if you're the San Francisco forty nine ers, Like, yeah,

I'm with Nick. I don't. I don't want a little Johnny opening his present Christmas morning and I get to go to a football game and none of the players are playing like that, there's something fundamentally it's it's my whole complaint with the NBA and kind of how they and I understand why they do it, but I think for fans, the fans are the ones that get jilted because if you save your money to take your family to this one game of these two games, because you

want to see your favorite player, and there's no other reason that that your other your player isn't playing other than just coach's decision. To me, there's something something fundamentally wrong.

And you know what, that's probably why it makes sense to have like diverse voices in your power structure between coaching, front office ownership, because you need to have a voice that'll be like, uh no, like fan, we got fifty thousand people wearing Zeke jerseys that are going to be here, like he needs to play because you know, again I'm thinking about this purely from a football standpoint, like if the coach has had their way, they do stuff like

that all the time. Yeah, and you have to remember that kind of stuff because guess what, at the end of the day, and I know the guy here says it a lot. We're in the entertainment business and if you're not considering the fact that how are you going to entertain your fans, then you're missing the point to somebody.

If you won't, if you won't let me sit everybody that's made a Pro Bowl, what I would I would say, Oh, Sean, your hamstring has been terrible, Like, you probably need surgery on that, right, you can do the Papa Vitch route, Yeah, Sean, anybody all right, anybody that's battled an injury, you're done surgery. Which I'm a little bit more okay with that. I know I was wondering that too. I'm like, hamstring surgery. Oh no, Sean, you have a hangnail. You need to

have surgery. Right, you can't play this week. Zeke lost so many potential incentives because with the six games, you know, suspension. You wonder if there's anything he can collect makeup. You know, he needs what two thirty seven to get to a thousand. But Zeke, that's the thing. Zeke hasn't played six games, so you know, he wants to play football. So those two games, I don't think you sit him. That's that

just wouldn't be. I don't think fair to him to then take another two games from him where he can be out there five minutes talking about the fact that they're gonna win four straights. So they're playing a good point. We're playing all right, Thank you guys for joining us. We're back tomorrow. We're gonna get back to our normal format. Tomorrow we're gonna jump into the Giants. Dave's gonna give us a scouting report and tell us all about these

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