Cowboys Break: Amari’s Future

of The Break. We're live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star and Day. We're talking franchise tags, we're talking free agency. We're talking about all the things that go into creating an NFL football team, and the Cowboys are sitting at the cusp of it. Next week it begins in earnest, and we'll talk about all that. We're gonna go to the fullest of free agents and get everybody's opinions on what they think is going to happen, what they think should happen, because those two things don't

always match up? Does it? Does it begin in earnest because we cover the Cowboys. I'm just saying, you're good, Poy I'm just saying, it's a long it's a long month of doing deals and signing guys. Yeah, and and and by the way, if you're expecting the Cowboys to jump in next week and be signing guys that don't already haven't already won a star, you probably might want to kind of kind of just get some good perspectives. Seeing a lot of Bobby Wagner questions and I'm just like,

do you guys follow this team? What are we doing here? It's funny. Right before the show, Nick, Nick and I were talking and I was kind of like, man, kind of we'd like, kind of like to see Bobby Wagner in a cowboy uniform. That would be real good. But it was Dan Quinn. He's doing that too. He's like, maybe maybe Dan, maybe Dan can make it happen. We can sit here and complain till our faces turned blue. But if the DC wants him, yeah maybe maybe maybe big,

maybe big maybe. All right, let's let's jump in. I do want to talk first about the franchise tag Dalton Schultz gets franchised. First of all, you guys tell me why, why why did they end up having the franchise, Because I think there are a lot of people out there, if you listen to sports talk radio, you watch the sports shows, you watch even the fans talking about it on Twitter. I think a lot of people are like, why would the Cowboys use the franchise tag on Dalton Schultz.

I don't have answers. I got an answer they I think they thought that they were over a barrel, to be honest with you, I mean, it's ironic. You asked me about Blake Jarwin last week, and I think they've known this for a little while. It escaped media attention for a minute. Blake Jarwin is not a guarantee to be ready to play next year. Like, this is a really awful injury that he's going to be dealing with.

I don't think they can count on him. I think I'm not trying to write his career off, but I think he's going to be up against it to like come back and play football at like a professional level. Yeah. No, this is a big injury. It's a big deal. So you lose him and the guys behind him, or Sean mccun and Ian Bunting, and maybe they bring back Jeremy Sprinkle. But again, that's not something you can count on, and tight end has been an important part of this offense.

Stack has a great relationship with Dalton Schultz. Call him a safety net, calm, whatever you want. But I think they were like, we can't afford to have nothing. Say what you will about whatever they might do with Amari Cooper, but they can find other options there. They've got Ceedee Lamb, They're trying to bring back Michael Gallup. They don't have anything if they don't have Dalton Schultz, and so I think that kind of forced their hand a little bit.

It's the cheapest option to get a quality tight end, I mean, other than really, because you don't know about the draft, you don't know who you're going to get and win. I mean, Jason Witten was the best time idea the Cowboys have ever had. It took him, you know, for his rookie yeary wasn't much of you know, he was a pretty good player, but he still was a backup.

So my point is that, you know, he's probably going to make more than that on the open market, Like I think he would have made more than I don't know. I'll go as far as to say, yeah, definitely, thirteen fourteen was being discussed. Who knows if he gets that now the cap number would have been less. Let's Beau and the Cowboys are going to try to do something like that, but um, you know, to try to probably sign him to a longer term deal. I would think.

I don't think this is a prove it year for him. I mean, I don't think they can carry that eleven million dollar number for that long, so I think they would like to get a different deal. But you know, my only question about Schultz is do we know that Dalton Schultz is really a good tight end without the double teams that Amari Cooper and Seedee Lamb have commanded

on the outside. Do we know that? Because if he's like the main guy, the main focus, I mean, this isn't Travis Kelcey running a round that you have the game plan for. I don't believe. Yeah, no, that's that's gonna be the tricky part. I've seen all the stuff on Twitter, and I don't know if I disagree. Well, he doesn't block, well, he doesn't get any you know, yards after kits. I mean, what does he do? He's just guys that catches the ball and takes advantage of

the scheme. True. Is that worth eleven million? We're gonna find out. Well, I think so. And again, well, I think their hand was forced a little bit here, like I said, and I think their logic not saying I completely agree with it. I think I've said as many times as I can that I think it would be lunacy to cut Amari Cooper. But to Nick's point, I mean, something's got to give at some point. They just added an eleven million dollar charge on top of already being

over the salary cap. They did restructure Dak and Zach to create twenty two million, they're still over as far as I know, because I thought how much were they over before? They were seventeen to twenty over? And you add eleven on top of the head. Oh you're saying, yeah, with eleven in the twenty two you still they still have work to do. Yeah. Um. But so what I was gonna say, so, I think that would be dumb.

I don't think they should cut Amari Cooper. If anything, I think they should restructure him and push some of his money into the future. But I can see a logic in their minds where they're like, well, we can we can recreate our receiver corps that is more doable. We can sign Michael Gallop to a team friendly deal. We've got Ceedee Lamb. There's freak receivers in the draft

every year. We can find a guy in the top three rounds that can step in and play right away, and maybe sign a cheap veteran to go on top of that, kind of like what they did with Alan Hearns or somebody like a Brown. Is it No, Noah Brown is not that? No offense to him. I'm I'm proud of that guy. Man. He's he's about to start. He's he's gonna get his NFL pension out of being a seventh round draft pick. Good for him. But I think that they think it's by four years he said

four words, I mean like, but it's worked. They can never not Kaman's hustle, you know. I think that they think that they can recreate their receiver corps a little bit more easily than they can find a serviceable tight end. Because you think about Dalton Schultz, it took him two years to be a useful player. And unless you're drafting a Kyle Pitts or a t J. Hockinson, who are top ten picks you're not getting that guy in the draft.

It's very rare to find a tight end who can step in and be useful right away unless you're using a big, big pick on him. So that's what I was going to ask you about the draft, because I know tight end is not a position that I've really heard people talk about in just in general and also tying it back to the Cowboys, and I haven't looked at the free agency list of around the NFL, but there are no really is there not a name tight ends have been franchise at this point like that? That

was the interesting thing to me. There's the third besides in Joku and Dalton. Sorry, I'm putting you on the spot trying to remember who it was hold on let me think, yeah, but I mean and then and a lot of that goes to the fact that it's it's not a huge number. I know, it sounds like it is eleven million, but for the franchise tag, not by NFL standardly not. Yeah, so that that it kind of

makes more sense. And that's probably what Travis Kelsey and George Kittle and those guys would like to see happening. Is just sure right that room which Mike. Mike Gasecki is the third, which and I bet he feels some type of way about it because he's barely a tight end. He's I mean, he's one of the he's a you know, he's the Jimmy Graham split off the line way more often than he's in line doing stuff. The I mean, the list is of an Ingram, not Jimmy Graham. I mean,

let's don't put Gasecki into Jimmy Graham. He's more Evan Engram. I'm not I'm not comparing their skill set. I know what I'm saying. Yeah, but yeah, Jimmy, he had a pretty good year this time did Yeah, Yeah, I don't he hasn't. I mean Jimmy Graham like, yeah, yeah, changing, he was changing, trying to change rules and stuff. You got Zach Ertz, who at this point is more player, more name than player. Jimmy Graham is definitely more name

than player. Rob Gronkowski lives in his own world, Like, I mean, I don't know that he wants to play, you know, That's what I'm saying. You don't know if he wants to play, And even if he does, he's like he's just gonna sign where he wants to. He doesn't need the money, He doesn't any of that stuff. Eric Ebron, who's more name than player C j Ozoma, the Cincinnati guy who got hurt, right he did get hurt.

Ebron does interest me, and I also think he'll command a pretty big deal if I had to guess as well, because things I've heard suggest that Ebron is a much better block than any guy they got on this roster, which I think that's the part they've been missing in their in their tight end room for a long time, like they have not had a good block or maybe since martellis Um And I think they really should invest

in one of those. So if Ebron could be that for them, that's a nice guy to kind of literally doing. Here it's over, I mean, if they're still gonna need another tight end, right yeah, but not eric Ron. I mean, like, is Hebron at the point where he's just like going

to break the bank? I don't think so he'll be worth enough money that I doubt that they really Yeah, see, I look at Hebron as one of those guys kind of like the kinds guys they bring in, like a Carlos Watkins kind of towards the end of his career, you could probably get him for or actually, let's talk about this in two weeks when that's when they're gonna start. You see who's left. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I they like who they like. They like Noah Brown. We

just talked about Noah Brown. They like Sean McEwen. And I'm not saying you shouldn't because everything we've ever seen out of him seems like, oh, okay, they like guys they don't have to spend money on. We can say it. It's fine, Well everybody does that. I mean like they've spent, they spend They spend enough money over the cape, spending money, Like right, yeah, they're spending money. I don't think the money is the issue. I don't think the spending money

is the issue. They got they got high profile guys and right now, like I heard some some people talking about this is like did the window close on the Cowboys because they didn't win with Dak contract the way it was. But I mean, your two best defensive players are sitting there probably making a combine two million dollars. So get it done, because I promise you next year, Well no, not next year. I was thinking this two years.

Digs will Yeah, that'll be interesting. We'll see what As long as Trayvon doesn't fall off a cliff, he's probably gonna have something to say about that gets in the range of you know, even six, seven, you know, interceptions or something like, they don't have to do that. Eleven is crazy. That ain't gonna happen again. I say that even he could finish with four. And then he'll say, I have eighteen interceptions in my first three years. Give me money now, Yeah, let's go and and I this

one's gonna happen next year. This is my prediction on Mica right now. Mike is like, right, I'll do this, I'll play this, I'll play linebacker, I'll play edge, whatever you want to do, you know, And then he'll get another twelve thirteen sacks and a lot of them will be coming from the outside, and his agent'll be talking, all right, your third year, let's be a defensive end, because the franchise tag for defensive ends and linebackers is different. Yeah,

so I wouldn't be surprised if that conversation happens. That is, it's a wonderful point. Going back to Mike Kasecki. He's like, man, I'm basically a receiver and y'all are tagging me as an end. Cowboys are gonna be like, yeah, well, you're getting the fifth year option as a linebacker, sir, not as a pass rusher, but doing that. But then my thought would be, well, then go beat Treyvon Diggs. Then go beat Treyvon Diggs every single play, because I bet

you you're not doing that. I bet you you're You're beating that hybrid role and you're beating some corners, but you're also beating tight ends as well. You know. I just that's that's part of That's something they're probably gonna have to at some point address because there are lots of roles in the NFL that are now becoming hybrids, and so it's not as simple as just saying, well, you get to tag at this position, because there are players that play multiple positions based upon kind of how

the team utilizes them. All Right, real quick, what happens with with I guess Blake at this point? Are they gonna are they on the hook for his contract? Are they gonna maybe would would you look at the option of maybe cutting him? Is at even a possibility. What do they do at this point with Blake Jarwin for the money that they have sunk man, You have heard some of this. I did, and I probably had a ten minute conversation about Blake Jarwin and still don't understand it.

It's a little bit different. But he's got options. He No, he doesn't have a lot of options. Um, cowboys have options. Yeah, the Cowboys have options. It's probably going to be a reduction or a cut, I think, But because he's injured and needs to rehab, it's one of those things he kind of has to bet on himself. That's way I took it. If there's an injury protection program, if he's released,

he can make I think two million dollars. But if he bets on himself to say, hey, I'm gonna play and try to work this thing back at and it doesn't ever happen, then he screws himself out of that money. So I think what will happen is is they may rework his deal or maybe even release him and then resign him, keep him back, keep much reduced and so he can rehab here. We all know what they think of the rehab guys here, and that will probably be what happens, but they're going to have to get some

of that money. But at this point, why not just cut him? Because and I and I lie, I've always been a fan of Blake Jarwin and I've seen his potential, but it's been unfortunate. I feel like, what this would be the third year where he's like affective but some kind of injury that has left him out of the field. So at this point, it's like it just feels that you're simply and it's sad to say, but you're simply not gonna get much out of him even if he

recovers from this, right. I think it's it's a thing teams do with players they have relationships that they like they're going to get some of his money back by hook or by crook, Like they're just they're not just gonna let that sit there. But you know, say, hey, absolutely give this a go, try to rehab this injury. We'll keep you here, we'll take care of you. We don't just want to throw you out on the street.

Kind of the right thing to do, Yeah, you know, and that tends to happen with guys that they've built relations with. I mean, Blake and his wife live here in the area. I mean, that's very common with players, so they'll they'll find a way to get some of that money back. But you're not just like, oh, sorry, go do something else. You're out of here. Yeah, I guess all right, We're gonna take our first break and

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so no one does listen to these reads. All right, so maybe I really should read all rights coming to Wrestle. Sure, Dave's going, you going, I don't know thinking about it. Those are pretty yeah, but but you know it's gonna be stupidous. It's gonna be stupidous. I heard stone Colds coming back Stone Colts supposed to Stone Colds wrestling at this wrestle wrestling or just drinking a bees wrestling. Yeah, he accepted somebody's offer to fight. I don't remember the

guy's name. Oh yeah, it was all over heard by today and I've never heard of the guy. Well yeah, but I mean I saw that. It was like, I've never heard of this guy before, but I heard we're old Fogies Rock. Is he coming back the Rock? Think so? Think he's busy with football. Can I like get in advance so I can buy the tickets? I don't know what if I give you tickets, n let's go. Yes, I'll be there if I don't have to pay for it,

for sure. Well, but if you did have to pay for it, I'm sure geek dot com would be very good and helping you get that if you'd not Yeah to the point where your boss are just gonna hand you tickets. Because the biggest question is Roman Reins, not even not even is Bad Bunny gonna be there? Do you even know who Bad Bunny? Of course I know who Bad Bunny, but he just he just played at the AAC like two weeks ago. Once he coming back, he played at American Airlines like within the last month.

He said, yes, he well, he has a concert that's gonna be at AT and T Stadium other than that one, so he's coming back to the Dallas again. It's a big end, a big jump to play eight American Airlines and then go and play it eight. I mean AT and T. If what I'm standing he can pack both. Clearly. If if you can pack the AT and T, you could probably pay. But I'm saying like he'd do like a he got that kind of following where he just like, I'm gonna sign up as many shows that sell out.

That's I think that's what Garth Brooks does. He's like one night, two nights, three nights. The fourth night didn't sell out, so okay, I do four nights and that's it rilla until they don't sell out anymore. That's but smaller venues like that, they'll just do the one. Anyways, I'm waiting for them to use for him to be on Wrestle. He does wrestle too, so please do well. It's a two night event. I mean, I gaed they

could squeeze him in. It's one of the one of the Yeah, he fought the miss and WrestleMania thirty seven. You mean from road Rules or something, Yeah, the mis he was the Real World, actually real World, the World ten New York. Um, I know that said ten. I think it was okay. I think I don't know. I'm gonna lick that out. Oh crap, don't I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong. I'm not about to say I don't know. I don't necessarily want to be Yeah,

the guy that knows everything. That's one of those shows. Everyone's got their show that they're not proud of watching. I I would watch the road Rules and Real World Challenge and stuff like that. When wants that that's one what okay? Big Brother? Like seriously, I'm not a shade of Big Brother. I got Dave booked on Big Brother because it's a good show. All right, let's talk about that Cowboys Nation and we're talking about real World Mike.

His name was Mike, Mike. All right, let's talk free agency. Let's talk for Are we gonna talk about Amari quick? Yeah? Sure, what do you want to talk? I mean, and before we jumped into into the whole list of free agent guys and all that. I mean, I just get so I'm giving the problem is I'm coming off our Spanish show on so almost and everybody on there this agrees with me. So I'm just like, oh uh no, you guys are wrong. No, it's just like they're gonna be

fine with Amari Cooper and sure they're gonna survive. But my thing is without without sorry sorry sorry, yeah, without And this week I've been hearing it from so many other people just kind of voicing their opinion and how screwed Basically the Cowboys are gonna be with how if they do, in fact decide to cut Amari Cooper and what you are left with a wide receiver and what you're gonna do with your offense, that's gonna be a

complete change. So I just want I want one of you to make it make sense and see, like, what what is this team gonna look like really without a guy like a Mark Cooper on the team. And even if you're like drafting a wide receiver, which I know you guys have been mentioning on the Draft show and all that, they're multiple guys, but what what like somebody's I don't think they're gonna be better with that. I

really don't. They believe that they can, but they also believe, you know, it'll be cheaper, and then that's what they'd rather put those resources on. The tight end. Like David mentioned, it's easier to fix that safety and all that. I just I think Amari Cooper is one of the top receivers in the NFL. He doesn't play to the level of his contract, and that's the issue. But you know, if he's willing to work on the deal and restructure, which it sounds like he is, then I just don't

understand this. I really can't see why they would do this. Here's my thing. I think you look across the NFL, look at all the teams that were in the playoffs. If the Cowboys have ceedee lamb, if they can get Gallop resigned, which it sounds like that's on track, and they probably will end up doing that. And in a

and Dave can speak to this. This seems to be a draft where you've got plenty of wide receivers that you could select first round, second round, maybe even third round, that can jump in and play for you Day one. That wide receiver corps is good enough for you to be competitive next year. That won't be the reason why you're not successful in my opinion. So are they gonna be better when you lose a guy like Amari Cooper?

Probably not. And you are betting on the fact that this draft pick is all of a sudden gonna be able to play in the NFL. There's a lot of ifs in there. All I'm saying is I don't think that that becomes a situation if those three things play out where you got CD Gallop and you've got this draft pick that's a first or second round pick, maybe third round pick, that you won't be able to compete, and you're gonna be looking at like, man, these receivers

just suck. I can't do anything. You've got what you consider to be a star wide receiver that was a first round draft pick. That's the Green Bay Packers. They got one receiver. He's really really good. Now I'm not saying CD's that, but you kind of want to find out if he can be that. So all I'm saying is Ohl is with the Packers. Yeah, that's not my point. My point is still you look at the wide receiver corps.

This is not a wide receiver Cord at that point that you look like look at and say they don't have any talent at wide receiver. They got they will have talent at wide receiver. The question still becomes, can this offensive line block can Da do what he's supposed to do? Can tell him more call the right plays like That's more the issue in my opinion than the wide receivers will be if you don't have a Mariy

on this team. I guess, I just. I mean, you talk about all the teams that went deep in the playoffs, they all have pretty badass groups of pass catchers. I mean the Bengals, Yes, the Bengals, Yes, the Bengals. The Rams had Woods and Cup at the start of the season, went and got Beckham. It's a pretty nice little group. The Niners have. The Niners have deebo Iyuk and George Kittle, who's like the best pass catching tight end other than Kelsey. Let's let's slow down the receivers. But I Yuk is

not a great wide receiver. He is a good wide receiver. Gallop Yeah, I think. So let's see, you need like a great of you need car three of these guys, And that's my way Mike McCarthy should should sign off on this the like he has to maybe sign off on it, But I bet you he's not happy about it because we all know that if if this doesn't go well for the Cowboys, if they don't, if they don't if they do the exact same thing that this year,

I don't think he'll be the coach next year. Everyone knows that, Okay, So how can he be excited about this? He's got Ceedee Lamb has never proven he could be really a number one, but he's gonna have to be because that's his role. Michael Gallup's gonna probably start the year on pup. I can't imagine him being ready. I don't. I hope that's not true, but he got You have

to at least consider it as a possibility. So then now you got to draft a receiver, even if you draft twenty four, even if you draft in the first round, that there's no guarantee that that guy's going to be ready to go. So you're you're hoping that all this is better this year, and if it doesn't, you're out. So let me ask you this, that all being said, and seeing how all you guys feel about this, why do you think the Cowboys, if reports are accurate, why do you think they are so hell bent on He's

not going to be here then? Because they want to do it their way. They want to, they want to, I mean, they don't want to pay that number, which, by the way, I'm so sick of hearing about it. I'm so oh, is he playing worth twenty million? Mike Williams just got twenty million a year yesterday, twenty eight guaranteed upfront. He's a much better receiver. The cap is exploding and players are getting more expensive. I'm sick of hearing about it. So you pay for it or you don't.

I don't give a damn if it's twenty million dollars, like that's what it costs to have a good receiver. But just then, is the money even really the issue, because it's because it goes hand in hand. They probably, But my point is they probably. I would guess, And this is a guess. This is not something I'm basing on something else. This is a guess I would guess if they went to a Mari and said, hey, we'd really like to restructure your contract and we'd like to

give you a little less money. Maybe get it down to sixteen fourteen. I'm guessing there's a conversation to be had there. Maybe they don't come to a conclusion that actually works, but I'm guessing there's a conversation. So is money really the issue here? Is what I'm asking. I think it goes hand in hand, and I absolutely think which is ironic. Like all of the things that make Amari amar, he's a reserved guy. He's a worldly guy. He reads all the time, he plays chess, he's got

interests outside of football. He's not this alpha personality. It's really refreshing when you get rid of Dez Bryan and bring that in one. But what's what go ahead? Wait, no, you're right, but you also skipped another thing that maybe as a factor. Maybe it isn't the vaccination. Yeah, it's worth ment. No, I mean we I say, like, okay, I hope it's not. But I mean it doesn't. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. And that's

that's that's that point, David. But no, I don't think they're like, this guy's not vaccinated, we can't he can't stay here. Because also, by the way, the league just got rid of all those rules anyway, it's a non factor. Now. I don't think that helped, and I don't have to guess. Jerry Jones called him out publicly in the middle of the season. He said, this is a wee thing. It's not a me thing. You check me at the door. He said that on the radio. So it's clearly something

that frustrated them. He missed two games because of it, and during a time of the year when they were struggling. And then add that onto the fact of like you know, he was, he was Amari was fresh in the home stretch of the year. He said it himself, he was like, I wish I had more opportunities to get the ball. And yeah, I think I think the elements of his personality that, like I said, it's ironic. We found it so refreshing three or four years ago. I think it

wears on people. I think it wears on football people. I don't think it's a coincidence. John Gruden was desperate to get him out of there, because that is like the antithesis of John Gruden. Like John Gruden wants you to guzzle motor oil and just eat nails and talk about football twenty four hours a day, and there are a lot of people in this league where if that's not what you're about, like, get the hell out of here.

I don't have time for that. And that also brings me back to what I was trying to get to is do you think that maybe I personally don't think

he would be released because he didn't get vaccinated. I do think that maybe him not getting vaccinated is just another example if maybe this is the case where maybe there's a feeling that he's not as much a team guy as they want him to be, right, you think that maybe that's more and maybe the money isn't like the money is the red herring, but really it's it's really more to this story than just the money and the guys over there were poke holes in some of

this game on the field, but I think it's more nitpicking from the first part of it. But I mean, we can argue this all day, but I'm actually tired of hearing the part about I'm already missed two games because he wasn't vaccinated. I don't believe that that isn't that's not accurate because people are forgetting the read Okay, he got COVID, that happened people get COVID, You get COVID. Now, maybe you wouldn't have missed the first game against the

Chiefs because you wouldn't have been tested every day. But he still had COVID and he had symptoms. So if you have sitting the hold on me finish, if you have symptoms, then you have to get tested for it. And then it just so happened that they played a game four days later, So he got COVID before the Chiefs game. Doesn't matter if he's vaccinated, he's not playing the Raiders. Yes, but that also ignores the fact the science that the percentage chance of getting COVID when you're

vaccinated is less. So not that that's fact, that is science, Nick, That is that is suck. They have statistics set back and say that people who have been vaccinated have a lower percentage chance of getting of getting COVID. Like that was, that was something that was tested and verified. Okay, a

lot of vaccinated people got sick. Absolutely chance, But either way, whatever I think that's like looking at it now, regardless of it, it sounds very ridiculous from my perspective that that would be the reason as to making a big change like this when you're trying to get to the super Bowl, do this and that there's no way that's just it. So in my opinion, there has to be

something more. And if he was to get caught and it happens, I feel like maybe we'll start hearing something else kind of popping out, like this was actually going on behind But the I'm saying, I think that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying it was the vaccination. I'm saying that was the vaccination, just one more sign of other things that make that make maybe make them say he's not as much of a team guy. So we've seen, we've played hurt. Does he play hurt? Yes, plays hurt

a lot. He there was a time he didn't. Wasn't that I say, I'm I'm pretty sure thing about the right guy. But let's speak. But this guy plays, he does, he'll, he'll he'll get the little gun and he'll put it on this and go out there and run. When you're it's never one thing, it's that's part of it. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think that it creates questions about buying.

But I always I think that stuff is always in a convenient excuse when you're already frustrated, like he missed two games and and he only had seventy eight catches this year, And I look at it, is he finishing this block as well as he could be? What was he doing on? And like you're just coming up with reasons and knocking yourself into it. Yeah, And that's and that's just where we are. And all of a sudden, it's like infallible logic that this is what you should

do it on. I mean, for opposite reasons. It happened with Dez too, if you go back, if you think about it, it's like, well he's been hurt. Is he as explosive as he used to be. That's when the reports started leaking, like Dez doesn't come to meetings. That was never a problem when he was catching sixteen touchdowns. We had heard some of the things. It was. It just doesn't but you put up with it when you

feel like you're getting your investment. And then you know, he calls out Lenahan and Garrett and says they're not doing their jobs the right way. And now here we are three months later, cutting him Like it's always a snowball effect in these situations. Well, that was after that was after he got I'll let you know. I'll let you know what he what he thinks, Omori, I will you send me to the Pro Bowl next year because I'll go to the Pro Bowl. Oh yeah, he'll be there.

He'll be like, tell me what team he's on. Then I'll tell you he'll be twelve hundred yard eighty eight catch guy and he'll be at the Pro Bowl and he'll be like, I don't really care what it is. I would I would have liked to be in Dallas, but it just didn't work out. Well, Hey, that was cute though, those you know, CD had a nice seventy five catches and and Gallup had forty five coming back

from my inn's dreams. And so do you put anything on the fact that, like his production this year I don't think was as good as most of us would have expected. There was a year was that it not last year or a year before when he had all the struggles on the road, Like there have been times in his career where he hasn't been as consistent as you'd want him to be in That can create the sort of situation where you're like, is he really a twenty million dollar wide receiver? Do you guys put any

stock in that in justice production. Let's forget about the money for a second, or or at least talk about the money in the context of amount of production that you get from him. Since what second time in his career that he hasn't had a thousand yards? Second time? The first time he was still with the Raiders. Um. No, he had had a ninety two catch eleven hundred yards season in a year when he only played with Dak for like four and a half games or whatever it

was five games. No, I still think he's a great receiver. He was thirty eighth in the league in targets, and again, like I don't care about the number, like it just it is what it is. Like, is he a top five receiver? No? Is that the way the market works, where like the guy is next and it just is what it is. Yes, Mike Williams Absolutely, I absolutely think he's like one of the ten to twelve best receivers in the NFL, and and and his resume stacks up with that, and find a better way to use him.

I don't know. That's what I was gonna say. That's another thing. It's like you have to take into consideration some of the things that you guys have mentioned about, like maybe Kellen Moore and then the game plan of not and he wouldn't be complaining in the middle of the season that he's not getting the ball if he himself hasn't been seen how things are going down. So he knows very well and we've seen it. And also there were times where even CD Lamb wasn't getting the ball.

So it's just Kellen Moore, what are you doing with them? Try to get your best players. I can't I can't believe. I can't believe. We're in a world where it's like Amari, like you gotta go, it's too much, instead of being like hey, Kellen, yeah fix it. So many of these offensive problems, we end up talking back to Kellen what's going on. So glad Ag brought up CD because again, this is a team where you had Amar and CD out there at the same time. CD caught one ball

for twenty one yards in the playoff game. He was targeted five times. I guarantee you the first one didn't come until close to halftime or maybe even after halftime. He disappeared from a game that Amari was also playing, and so that doesn't do wonders for my confidence that he's just gonna ball the hell out when he's the focal point of the defensive game plan, which he will be, by the way, because Michael Gallup is hurt. And also his career high for catches is sixty six in a

year we're mad about Amari catching seventy eight. Michael's is sixty six. That's his best ever. Talk about adding a rookie who maybe, you know, maybe you find a justin Jefferson, just maybe maybe you find a guy that can ball out from day one. Michael Gallup's first year, he caught thirty three passes for five hundred yards. Like that is a realistic idea of what you're getting from a rookie, unless it's like the best guy in the class. So just don't don't sell me that this is an improvement.

If you insist on doing it, that's fine, But I don't have to believe it. I don't think anybody thinks. I honestly don't even think they believe it's an improved thing necessary. I think they feel like it's the way to move their team forward, because sometimes you got to make those kind of decisions when it comes to a salary cap like I don't. I honestly don't think anybody believes this is making you better. I just I don't know how you couldn't. The problem, that is the problem.

That's why fans should be mad, because right now, every year that goes by, there's a number that gets attached to it. Now, that's the way. It didn't start this way when I was here. But now it's twenty six and next year it's twenty seven and twenty eight, since you've done anything, and that they don't have that sense of urgency that the fans have. Because the fans are mad because it's will so much past due and they're talking about doing things. Let's just kind of redo the

receiver room. When to me, this team is close. It's right here. You're one of the top two or three teams in the NFC going into the season. You should be in the mix. Are you still without Amari Cooper? I don't think so. That's what I'm saying. You're close, You're there, You've got your quarterback, you've got your offense, you've got all the coordinators came back, put your chips in, push it to the middle. Let's do it. Let's go get the von Miller the trade, next year's trade, next

year's two trade, next year's one. If you think you can go do it. This band base deserves that opportunity because they have been loyal for so long and they're pissed off, you know what, quit thinking to the future when now damn it wins, and they they're not doing it. Not only that, I don't even know if you have to push your chips all the way in. That's the frustrating thing. And I'm sorry, I don't know the number

you can reach structure MARI. They've done it to everybody else in the world, but they're just like, oh, the guy that's actually lived up to his deal and I don't want to touch that money and and and the irony. And yeah, last season was disappointing by his standards, but like a, MARI is the one major deal that they've done that looks good right now, not counting Dak that's fine, but like I mean, from the moment you got to here, the offense has been clicking for the most part. Jalen disaster,

Zeke borderline disaster or very much. It's not happy, it's not good right and on top on top of the diminishing returns. The way it's structured, they can't touch him and that sucks for like, they can't do anything with him, and if they restructure him, then you just push this into the future. They're up s Creek in that regard, and that's why it's gonna hurt a guy that's doing more to help the team. Lyle Collins not a disaster, but like, has not that plan panned out the way

that they wanted it to. It just hasn't, and that sucks. I love Lyle as a person. It's not about our own expect yeah, that about our own expectations, though, Like we see the money and then immediately our expectations go way up. And really when the money is not necessarily an indication they're gonna be better, it just is an indication that's where the market is. I don't think so here. Yeah, the money, it's just how you keep them here. Also,

Lyle's no, Lyle was that was a bargain deal. That was and again like I'm not, I don't want to call that a bust just yet. It's just been disappointing relative to the expectation. But like he signed for ten million a year. That's a bargain. That was a Hey, we think you're ascending into the top flight of right tackles, and we're just gonna pay you. Now. You didn't get a big deal when you got drafted. Let's just take care of everybody. And he's sort of plateaued instead of

continuing to move up. That's just it is. Essentially what you're saying is they've drafted pretty good, and free agency, even free agency when it comes to their own players, that's where they haven't been as good. They have not

Zach Martin, Amari, and I'll throw Dack in there. I'm sure plenty of people disagree, but like, those are the three big deals that they've given out in the last few years that don't look bad right now, Yeah, Tying whatever whatever restructure that I mean, Tyrone was almost a decade ago at this point. Yeah, Tyron, that tells you how great that deal was. Yeah, Like it was a really great Tyron sign that extension in fourteen. It's twenty twenty two, and and that'll never happen again. Where a

guy is just like, yeah, underpay me, it's fine with me. Yeah, so it's fair. That's what he says. It's fair. Yeah, I mean basically, so it doesn't He doesn't like talking to the media, probably don't even like talking to the Jones family, like whatever, Yeah, what will keep me from having to come up here and sign something? Ever? Again, cool, let's do it. I just done. I don't know, man, it's it's the consequences of their own actions that have put in put them in this position, and it's very

frustrating to think that. I believe they are going to weaken their team as a result of it, and I don't want to speak too soon because they will add guys in free agency. Things will happen. They For the record, they haven't cut Amar yet, yeah, Worth pointing out, I mean maybe a trade could still materialize. Who knows. And then don't expect the trade. Don't expect this Russell Wilson type of like three first rounders. No, don't expect any first rounder. Second. I think a third. I think a

third round pick would probably be the best thing. But honestly, you get what you get at this point. Again, they'll they'll take a fourth. If all everybody's talking about the fag, he's gonna be releasing him. He's all the other teams out there saying, y'all probably got released and there's no compensatory pick if you kind of guys. Not only that, I hope I would trade him for like a fourth just I just I've been joking with Nick for the last week, like he'll he'll be in Philly thirty six

hours after he gets cut, silent. Just that's what happens when notable Cowboys get cut, they go to the East. Always. Philly needs a receiver, Philly has money, Philly probably wants to make life easier on their young quarterback. Dolphins would scare that, but Jesus out of me, I would love and then he'll kill it wherever he's doin. I would

love for him to go anywhere else, Go to the AFC. Yeahhere, But that's my point is, even if you only get a fourth round pick back for him, if you can control where he goes, I mean, if you're hell bent on him not being part of your team, at least get him away from you. Yeah. Gold play for the Dolphins, where I only have to see you once every four years. I'm sure the Eagles would be happy to try to pull him over there, as much as he's hurt them

every every time. The notable cowboy parts ways, DeMarcus Ware being maybe the one exception, and he's a you know, he's a lifetime cowboy. He wasn't going to do that. He wasn't going to do He might have done it. I guarantee you somebody offered him a deal in the he could actually felt that. He said he wouldn't he that was one thing. I can't do it. I'm not doing it cut him. Not everybody has that type of loyalty organizations. Another guys. I'm trying to think some other guys,

Jason Hatcher, Orlando Scandrick Um. I know, I'm scared somewhere else he went. Before he went, he went. He played for Washington, the Chiefs, and the Eagles. I don't know there's more. I know there's more. I can't think of them all right. Chris Canny went on to win a Super Chris Canny went to the Joans. Canny thinks of himself more as a Giants guy than a Cowboys. He won Super Bowls with the Giants. No, but there have even there have been others just in the time that

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Let you see every exciting playbook an appointment at your local Essler experts find the perfect Esler lens for you. See more, Do more, Esseler, Welcome back to the final segments of Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Let's talk about free agents. I got a whole list here. There's no way we're going to finish this list in the thirteen minutes we have left in this show. So let's let's try to focus in on some Actually, let's focus in on the wide somebody

Jordan is listening live. DeMarco Murray obviously was a huge one. He went to Philly and we said it there. I know for a fact Washington tried to sign a Mari when he hit free agency two years ago. I'm just NFC's teams love to scoop these guys up. They just do. I'm not saying it'll happen with Mars one. I don't want to see an the NF season. I do still

think Giants, Garrett. The one thing I will say, though, sure thing I will say though, is if he goes to Yeah, i'll say it any other NFC East team Right now, I'm a little less concerned because he just doesn't have the trigger man to necessarily get the ball to him in a consistent way. So I just I'm okay with that. I don't like it, but yeah, go ahead, Sorry, go ahead. We don't need to derail your side. I

tell you. I tell you what has been a win though, real quick is that Aaron Rodgers is going back to Green Bay and Russell Wilson went to the Broncos, I mean Washington, even the Giants, the Eagles, all with these chances of getting this that was good. Supposedly, Russell that there were two options on the table. It was Washington and Denver, and he opted for Denver, which I was very happy for. The Washington becomes a very legitimate team if they get a quarterback. Denver was Denver is a

very legitimate roster that was only missing a QB. Yeah. Also, until Washington has shows any proof that they are running more competently, I don't know why you would go there. But yeah, alright, all right, let's talk about free agent. Let's actually talk about the wide receiver position, because they got a little bit of everything. You got Michael Gallup, who it sounds like maybe the Cowboys are gonna get a deal done with. You got Noah Brown who already

has gotten signed back, he's gonna be here. You've got Cedric Wilson, who you don't know what's gonna happen with him. You got even a younger guy like Malik Turner, who's I thought flash last year, but maybe they don't even consider him. What do you think happens in free agency with the wide receiver position? First from the standpoint of what do you want to happen? And then second from the standpoint of what do you think will happen? What

do I want to happen? Well, I wanted to start with the Mari staying, yeah, we got you um in the path that I think that they're going down. It sounds like the I would imagine that the Gallop deal needs to be done before anything happens to Cooper, because if you don't get that done and release a Mari, and then if you allow Michael to hit free agency and somebody blows him out of the water. Now you now you're really screwed with just CD and not a whole lot else. So I I don't even no offense

to know, I just no offense. Noah, no offense, Noah. Is he's the utility guys, the bottom of the depth. Chaverything about that bad. He's a special teamer, I think so. I think the Gallop deal will be done in a week. Cedric Wilson's out of here, not because they don't want him, but because he'll cost too much money, money, too much money. Seven million, right, yeah, so much money, yep, I think Cedric, I think eleven is yeah. I mean, I think the size of that deal is going to surprise some people

when it is. But it's also the Gallup deal is one of those win for everyone. He's gonna get a deal that's probably let's just say like five year, fifty million, fifty five million, something like that. It'll be a lot of it'll be frontloaded, yeah, I bet it'll. It'll probably be like a two year, twenty four million dollars deal in reality, but it'll say he'll get he'll get his money.

But actually I say frontloader. It'll be more backloaded, and then they'll have a decision to make two or three years, you know, but because they get spread it out, the cap costs might be right eight seven. And that's why you add years to a deal. That's why all this stuff happens to give people flexibility and all that time. Say it's five year fifty I mean that's you know what depends what the signing bonus is. It could be twenty million dollars signing bonus, which is spread it out

over five years, that's a four million charge. Is base could only be a million or two, you know, for the first couple of years, and then it balloons out. So and thus that gives him time to rehab and stuff like that. But but that gets the point I'll make because I know people probably heard what Dave say, two years twenty four millions maybe what it nets out to be, and they are like, well, just keep you know, just keep your guy. But I don't think it's the

same thing. Like the cap cost is gonna be a lot less, yeah, than it would be with him? Are so Turner, I don't go ahead, the league Turner probably not coming back. Do you think they have an interest in him more that you think maybe for some reason he's you don't think they have no I think they don't want to get better from that. That's what I was told. I like him. I think he's good boy. If you're down twenty, i'd put him in the game.

But that's fourth quarter guy. I hopefully you're not down twenty. I thought he had a nice season. He blocked one or two punts on top of that. But like, and I you know, it's I hate to be mean, but like you find those guys. I mean, he was like the seventh receiver in training camp. There will be another guy like him. There's there's five guys on the practice squad that signed futures contracts that can vie for that role. You don't need to give him a veteran deal to

keep that production. I bet you they sign. And I don't. I don't want to throw a name out there because who knows, but like, they'll sign a veteran receiver for very cheap where we do the thing we always do when we're like who Okay, Like I guess he did that, and he did this and that, and they'll the classic Cowboys maneuver. They're like, Okay, this guy can be our slot if something doesn't come along, and we'll target a receiver in the first three rounds of the draft, and

on we go. What a SIMI fit here at this point? Well, where let me win? Maybe because training camp he fits right into the probably the first team offense. Well, I guess let me. Let me let me preface a little bit, because Gallop won't be ready. I see what you're doing, glb over here. Ced will have a little something. Ye CD will have a nagging hammy. It's like it's precautionary. But he's not gonna practice for four days and we

run the first team. Is because Simmy's a big body, and I was thinking maybe they were grooming him to be the Noah Brown, if you want to put it like that, the guy that's the bigger body, the guy that can kind of dip into a little blocking that kind of thing. Do you see him in a similar kind of role or do you think there's a different kind for him. No Brown shouldn't just go and buy another house. I mean, like, because if somebody can be better than that him, then he's he's a guy that

could get cut to a one year deal. He could get cut if it's for a cheaper option. This is because they need depth. They knew receivers on the roster, right right, right, Yeah, So I think I think Simmy could fit in. I mean, he got a lot of time last year at least, you know, practice, and didn't do a lot with it. But you know, we say it all the time for first second year of jump, let's see how big how much commitment he puts in the off season. I'm over, I'd go to Dax House. Yeah,

Cedric's not there. He needs to be in the backyard. Yeah, Which, so I don't like assigning expectations to guys drafted that late, like, yeah, we hope you take a jump and you can be a useful player. Cedric Wilson is a great example. He even he got hurt as a rookie, he spent his rookie year on IR because he'd separated his shoulder and still was able to just keep developing and got built up a rapport with Dak and Turn and now he's gonna have a nice payday because of it. I don't

expect that from a fifth round pick. You hope for it. I'm just like, yeah, hopefully he makes a jump and becomes a useful piece of the rotation. But if not, he's a fifth round pick. All right, we don't have an I'm I wrong for feeling that I would rather try to get a deal done with Cedric Wilson than Michael Gallup. No, you're not wrong with that. Seven million for Cedric Wilson, eleven million for Gallup and Gallops coming off a knee injury. No, you're not wrong with that.

I mean, I think that's a fair given, like a skill wise, and I know these are, But like Cedric Wilson after some of the things that I've seen, especially last year, I mean, he he's shown me things that I feel like, okay with Dak he has a very very good connection with him and all that, and he seems to be effective putting the right position. So I just I don't know if it's like I don't feel like Michael Gallup gives me a whole a lot more than what I could get from a cheaper Cedric Wilson.

I see your logic there. I don't not with that. I'm not going to go as far as to say I disagree. I actually I talk to people in Indianapolis, like, assuming this deal gets done, they have they want more from Michael Gallop, like I mean, he's been he's been there, ex he's their deep ball. Go get a guy that's kind of been him his emo. If he is back here as one of the top two pieces of this receiver corps, I think they want him to be more versatile.

They want him in the slot more often. They want to be able to just have him be an interchangeable receiver, which he can do, but that just really hasn't been his thing in a larger role. I'd be interested to see what else he's capable of, because I mean, I beat the drum for Gallop for years that I think he's a highly underrated player. I'm still scared of the idea of like him not having the safety net of Amari Cooper being across from him. But I think I

think I'll take I'll take Gallop. I'm ok I'm okay with that. I think his upside is better than Cedric's if that, I think he still has more that he can show you. I think we've seen kind of the peak of what Cedric is going to be. I don't know that I feel the same way about Gallup. I think Gallup has some more now I will say this, I'll ask this question. Do you guys, let's let's assume right now he's not injured. Does that change your opinion?

Amber and Nick like, would you then say, yeah, absolutely, Gallops the guy you go off is really the injury. What's coloring this injury is part of it. Yeah, that's

that's part of it, even if he was healthy. I mean think about, like we're talking about a four million a year difference, and what if that's the difference of not signing Jayron curseback because you can't You mean, would you rather have Jayron Curse and Cedric Wilson or just Michael Gallop and then the safety that you don't draft or so I don't know how what they're gonna do

with safety. It kind of like it makes me think of like those dolls that nestle inside of each other, because that's just a different version of the same conversation. Would you rather have a Marii Cooper or Dalton Schultz and Michael Gallup? Well, would you rather have Michael Gallup or Cedric Wilson and jar how far down the rabbit hole can we go? Here? And that's yeah, but I said it at one point last year, I thought, man, I think Cedric Wilson may be better than Michael Gallop.

He's definitely more versatile, it could do more things. Um but I don't feel like we've seen the peak. I don't off Cedric Wilson. I think he can still show you some worth it or maybe given the time, I think there is possibility and to really find out if that is really his peak or not. But I think it's too soon to say he's reached his peak. I will throw this in there though, I don't think there's

another receiver. You go back to last season, I don't think there was a receiver on this team other than Gallop that really gave you a consistent threat downfield, like he was their best downfield threat. I don't think Cedric's gonna give you that. So he brings that to the table that I think is you games. I know what I'm saying, Like that's his game, Like he's a guy that's a deep threat option. Who else who else is

going to give you that? I mean, does that if if this is all he's gone, we think he might be gone. So if this is what we're doing, he needs to be CD And I honestly feel like that the argument is so toxic about what to do with a Mari, Like the CD's got a step up, like honestly, and I think he's a really good player, but like in relation to the hype and they like, my god, I can't believe the league let him fall to seventeen.

He hasn't lived up to that in my opinion, and especially with Jordan Jefferson drafted behind him, just setting the league on fire. And he's got a good receiver, a good route running veteran receiver across from him too. Yeah, and Adam feeling so absolutely so, you know, I just this is this is about CD. For me, it should be CD. And again Kellen Moore find a way, find a way to do it, man. I mean, like he

is a very talented receiver. He's your number one in a world where a Mari's not here, I'm not worried about Gallup and Cedric Wilson. So that's where I look. He and he had a he caught a down on a go ball against the Giants in like week whatever, it was like week six, and it was like one of the only like long downfield touchdowns I can remember him ever scoring. And that like that needs to be an element of his game. There's so much stuff he

needs to be able to do. I just think about that play that he got hurt on Patriots, the crossing round here, deep cross here. I think about that play that he got hurt on, and I'm just like, man, that little level of athleticism, Cyldric doesn't have that. He just doesn't have that that. I think this guy has a little more. Sinning touchdown against Carolina was pretty awesome. Yeah that you think it was better than that catch

he got hurt. That that the catch and by the way he does that on the sideline pretty he makes them, makes the catches on the sideline is just like, how

did he make that catch? Level of athleticism I think is just Mike has nowhere near the frame of Dez, but is like his ability to go get the ball is comparable, in my opinion, which is crazy to say his touchdown against the Saints, his touchdown against the Cardinals while tearing his acl, I mean, Michael Gallup's best play like that, ninety five percent of the world didn't see. We saw the fence, the fence out the world saw

that's true video. We didn't get a good video. Remember they flipped over the fence and then the best part was the next day there was no fence, right, get rid of that. Probably there's no fans like like, what do we got the fence for? He doesn't he doesn't get credit for how athletic he really is and that shot. Yeah, and also acls are easier to come back from than

they ever have been. But it's still it gives you pause when you're like, okay, we're rolling with a guy that's probably gonna miss training camp and letting go of, in my opinion, one of the ten or twelve best receivers in the league to do it scary. All right, we appreciate you guys, Jonas back, we got how many of your guys do we get to? Like two four? We got the receivers because Amber killed the show. But that's okay, that's okay. We got It's like, hey, ya

didn't talk. We didn't talk. I mean, I'm about to send him a message here to William to name this show and it's gonna be a better Maori. Yeah, it has to be. That's where, Yeah, that's where we spent most of our time. And it got pretty got pretty lively in here too, So that's good. So now it looks like you need to be setting the show. Now, welcome for a better show than who came from By the way. By the way, feel free to program all so I would be so happy if you gave me

a rundown every week. I will follow your people, appreciate it. I'm already talked rather than a Jeremy Sprinkle. You're absolutely all. I appreciate you, guys, Jos. We'll be back next week. So they for Nick, even Dave helm and Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Yelts and this has been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.