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who who's Who's okay with the pick? Okay? Who's good with the pick? Who likes the pick? Okay? All right, well I will introduce you to everyone that likes good That will be Rob hell Ups, Welcome to the show. Rob Phillips, Welcome to the show. Rob, welcome, Thank you, bless me, thank you. Uh Isaiah stand back? Is he likes to pick? Nick? Eveman? What is good with the pick?

Good with the pick? You like to pick? You picked a man in the magazine as you're or on the website as you're Yeah, I thought's what I thought they would pick. But I mean you have some concerns. We'll see, we'll see if you like it. But the thing is is we need to talk about like this whole notion of well they could have got him in the second round, that's a bunch of crap, Like they weren't gonna get him. They needed aligneman. He wasn't gonna be there and and

they that's who they needed to get. They must get alignement. I don't care what steven of them said. They needed you know, it was a must, and they got him. Need must semantics. They needed a lineman. They needed a guy who could play guard or at least compete right away at guard um. But Nick Nick brings up a good point because I think fans, maybe fans think that they've got thirty two first round grades every year. They

had a low number. This year they had fourteen. Typically it might be twenty, it might be a little less than twenty. So that's why Jerry was hesitant to say we had a second round grade on him, and he was. I think he was the second highest second round grade that they had sixteenth overall on their board. But that's that's why he said he's a first round player in our minds because we couldn't have waited. I couldn't have you.

On Wednesday, I was told he was the Tyler Smith had the second highest second round grade on the board and the highest one I think was the safety from Georgia scene, so he was available. They could have taken him. He was the highest rated player on their board, and from what I was told, and I think even what Jerry kind of said, that was true. But then they went with, you know, what's the need because they've signed two safeties and they haven't signed an offensive alignment, so

obviously it was a bigger need and is Saia. I'll ask you this. I mean, at some point you just need a you just need a big effort get in there and around. Well, you got that right. I can't tell you how many times have I said on the show on the previous talking cowboys that they need a big nasty, they need a big time I mean, I know we just mentioned beast. There's only one big nasty.

What's that? Williamson is the big nasty. There's a couple. Yeah, you need I mean, you needed a guy that came in there and that was gonna support It was gonna be pretty much book in ty to be honest, right, you do you weren't ready to replace him yet, right, you knew he hasn't been bad enough for you to go ahead and just move on from that project. He's been good enough, right, I mean it's bad, what's what I mean? But he hasn't. I don't think he's lost

you any ball games. So I think that you put obviously you have all pro on it on the right side, you have all pro on the right side. You put somebody else on the left side that can learn from Tyrn. Right, we know that he's not gonna be around forever, so you need somebody that can play both positions potentially, because we know how valuable wing tackles and versatile office of

a lineman r here with the Dallas Cowboys. So I think that this was a perfect pick for them in terms of who they were able to be able to go out and grab. Yeah, you know, I I said, there's I wrote this last night. There's a lot of ways to label picks. We say, like, you know, best available player, biggest need, um a now pick a later pick. I think this guy almost addresses all of that. I think he was their biggest need. I think he I think it was their best available player other than that

one safety. But I think, you know, he was their best available player. I think he helps him now at guard. I think he helps him later. And then, like Isaiah said, a premier position and a weird thing too about this guy. It's gonna play left guard. Tyler Smith is gonna play right next to a Tyler end a Smith. Yep, Tyron Smith. Yeah, that was That was a weird story I wrote last night where it was like Tyron Smith, Tyler Smith, Tyre and Tyler. I mean, I mean, I'm gonna screw that

up many times over the next twenty four months. Whoever long real quickly, there's a tweet from Dane Brugler, friend of the Draft show, and you know he puts out the beast every year. He studies all these guys. He knows, you know. He said, Tyler Smith currently very raw, undisciplined hands, chaotic, chaotic timing leads to balance issues. But he said what Nick just said, like he he can come in right away. You hope he can start at guard. I don't think

he's played as a high school played. He only had twenty three starts at Tulsa, all at left tackle, But that would be the hope. And Mike said he'll take some reps at left tackle. I don't know if they view him as a potential swing tackle or a insurance policy for Tyrant if Tyrant missus games, which Tyrant has not had a complete seasons is twenty fifteen. So there's that. And then there's the down the road thing that Nick mentioned and Nick wrote about last night. So there's that.

So I get why fans are don't like to pick like you, they'll raise the hands at the start of the show. I think there's fans that would not raise their hand, and maybe they're thinking about Taco in twenty seventeen to some degree because Taco didn't play a lot, didn't start a lot of games at Michigan, didn't have a lot of production. But the Cowboys said upside upside,

that upside never showed up. They're counting on upside here, And I think what Will McClay said last night really stuck out to me in terms of, you know, they were kept getting asked about all the penalties he had in college, and that's that's a problem that was a problem here last year. But Will had a quote about he's big. He's a big, athletic, physical man that's gonna play in a big athletic, physical league. And that's what

we liked about him. You can't teach that. You can't teach his size, his strength that I'm not sure, Isaiah, you can teach his temperament. Like you talked to him on the phone last night, he talked about, I'm a nasty physical player. I don't know if that necessarily can be taught the NFL level. No, it's a mentality. It's a mentality. And you know you saw his interviews um last night when he was speaking about how that is really bred in that total program. Right, It's taught, it's

expected in that program. So now you now, obviously you go out and you get somebody who has a physical stature, who has the attributes that you're looking for at that particular position, but also, like you said, having that tenacity, having that that kind of that dog that you were talking about, the office of alignment and having big nasty. Big nasty doesn't necessarily mean like just a big physical man.

It means like a mentality. Right. So when I was here playing for Dallas, we had a whole line of big nasties, right, We had a big, big Flow. He was a mean, little bastard, right, and then you had nothing. Yeah, I know, I know he was so Flow was mean. He was a bully, little yeah, but Flow was a bullets. And then we had Leonard Davis. Leonard was a bully, right. He was a large human being, but he was a bully. Quite soft spoken guy, but he's gonna drive you in

the ground. Andrew Girard is the biggest bully I know, right, He's gonna try to hes gonna play nasty, he's gonna do dirty stuff behind the scenes, like all those things that you need. And then we had you know, Kylar, we had Kozar, and then we also had a big big Colombo had a mind full of guys that wanted to fight, like they just wanted to fight, and they wanted they were they were hoping that you would say something crazy to him because if they couldn't get you,

their boy was gonna get you. And that's the type of player. This guy feels like I feel like he is, you know. LYA. Collins was sort of that way as well, and Connor Williams had a little bit of that to him too, even he did. I mean, I mean, you ask any of those guys who they would take into a bar fight and his name came up a lot, and Connor Williams. I mean he fought Aaron Donald at practice, you know what I mean, he wasn't afraid of it. I mean, so those those guys, and you're right, you

have to replace them. But I do think that you know, from a just from a size standpoint, just stature alone. I mean, I've always think man that they don't push people back, and I think he should be able to do that. I was impressed with some of the tape that I saw. Um, you know when I'm watching Tulsa, you know when I watched those highlights, any highlights anything. My biggest pet peeves don't show me against Arkansas Pine Bluff, like show me against you're an SEC team, show me

against Alabama Robert. And I liked some of the stuff that I saw against Oklahoma State that he was playing turning people inside, really used his body. And there's reps out there on Twitter two where he's getting tossed around, but that that happens. He's he's twenty. He turned twenty one three weeks ago. And I'm not comparing him to Tyron Smith. But when they drafted Tiring eleven years ago,

he was twenty years old. So they're looking at a guy who's young, who hasn't played a lot, but they see the physical traits and they think that the penalty part of things can be coached away because they've done that so well. Well this past year not so well, but real quick, okay, okay, I go ahead. Well, I would just say the counterpoint to that is, yes, that's a huge problem. They can't have that continue. Like that's

that that helped cost them the playoff game. But if you're going to knock him for that, let's let's point out that, you know, Terrence Steals an undrafted rookie. In the last two years now he's developed into a starter. Like, let's not say they can't develop lineman. And I think they're develop right yotish right now. And with their track record in the first round, I'm not saying he's necessarily going to be a tyrant Smith through Zach Martin or

Travis Frederick. But maybe they should get a little bit of a benefit of the doubt for what they've done at that position in the first round over the last decade. And I think you also have to point this out too. He laid at Tulsa. His head coach is Philip Montgomery. Okay, I've known him in the past. He used to be on the staff at Baylor. Art Brows and those guys

that that staff, that offense is different than other offenses. Okay, they they probably get They snapped the ball every fifteen seconds. They probably have three hundred more snaps than other teams do. So his twelve, his twelve penalties is a lot in our stat but he's playing a lot now. When he gives up two sacks, he only gives up two sacks. That's a stat that sounds all. That's a good stat. You could say, well, he's holding people that or he would give up more sacks, or they get the ball

out so quick. So that's not a great stat for him. That like, he's only giving up two sacks because they're not they're not playing long enough for that. So on one hand, I think that the part about him not giving up sacks is little misleading. I think the I think the holding penalty is also misleading. He's having to play a lot more football than other other guys are. It's get to the line, go go, go, get to

the line. Block black block, get to the line. That's their offense, and so you gotta be a little careful with judging for sure. And then but you also have to take into it the fact that he's not going to be on an island here in Dallas. He's not gonna be on an island. He's gonna be between two other large human beings, and he's gonna have support and they're gonna work together in unit sense. When you're that left tackle, you are literally on an island by yourself

unless you're down blocking. So he's gonna have more support than he's had in the past. And whether the holding penalties, that's something they have to attack because that lost Connor Williams's job last year obviously, But that'd be something that

he'll have a whole OTA's a work through. Who'll have all of the camp to work through, so who'll have an opportunity to come in and catch up with the speed Phil Yeah, And I would say this, like, I know our fans weren't ecstatic, or the majority of them weren't exta. There were a few people cheering out on the plaza. Just wait because if if you're basing this off, like who the guy is in offensive line, I'm not going to bet against Will McClay in this staff when

it comes to drafting an offensive line in the first round. Look, remember a guy named Travis Frederick that everybody's like, oh my god, who's this guy they reach for? This guy's very similar first round? Yeah, very similar? Want, right, what do they want? Michael Parsons, which you're not picking in the top ten this year? And so everybody wants to score points, but nobody wants to get always along. Here's

here's here's. Here's my question for y'all, because I think I think our whole fan base was on board with an offensive lineman. I think my question you guys is this guy sounds like he's a little bit of a developmental guy, right, Like he's gonna start and work his

way in and work his way out. Was there a guy there, Lyndon Baum was there that went right after us, that could have started center That lets you know what they think about be honest, right, like they Yeah, it was there a guy there that they could have taken. That's like, no, this guy's coming in and he's starting. It sounds like this guy is a potential start, but he's gonna have some work to do, Like I think that's what the fans are like, Okay, this guy, you

got to develop him. Couldn't you have gotten a guy that comes in and immediately he's but Linda doesn't fix their biggest needs. Yes, their biggest need was guarded. They're telling you that. I don't know if I had necessarily agree, but they think that the Honest is further down the road than McGovern so they need to fix. They feel like the center it can be Okay, you put a big guy next to him and Zach Martin that the Honest will continue to make this thing go. So they

I agree with you, Like what what? What else did you want Devin Lloyd from? That might be part of it that there were some defensive guys who fell that people had heard about, Devin Lloyd and Nakobe Dean and Jermaine Johnson, top Edge Rusher. Yeah, Daniel Jeremiah is on NFL never agree. He's spening last night and saying he's he's my ninth rated guy, and it's like, you have a good night, Daryl Jeremiah. I mean like that's and

nothing again. These guys study, but but I just think it's funny when fans are like this this guy's not any good. I'm like, says who says says the people on the big boards and all that, and and our guys, our draft show guys. I mean they work hard to study these Yes, they still they still look at four or five games, you know, like that's all, that's all you have time for if you want to study four hundred guys, these guys over there, I mean, I'll give you.

Let me give you a stat real quick. This this this is a surprise. You said you're not gonna bet against Will McClay, Dave Hellman, and I looked at the last five years first round picks in the last five years in the whole league. It's one hundred and sixty guys. I think five years, one hundred and sixty guys. How many Pro Bowlers you think there are in one hundred and sixty first round picks of the last five years, out of one sixty, out of one sixty this is

the last five first round picks. How many of them make the Pro Bowl have made a Pro Bowl? Twenty percent? Yea, I was gonna say about thirty thirty. It's twenty twenty one guys, which is twelve percent. Wow. So in the last twenty years, the Cowboys have nineteen first round picks,

and fourteen of them have made the Pro Bowl. Let's seven talking about percent y'all, just wait, Cowboy fans, wait, give you can throw Taco and Mo Clayborne and Bobby Carpenter and Felix and Marcus Spears all day long within the rest of them, and well and we'll come back all with all these other guys. I mean, so especially offensive lineman. Yeah, so, I mean, I just want to that's a great that's a great fact of numbers. There.

You gotta process some numbers. But I mean, seventy three and I and I can go back to last twenty years in the NFL. I don't know what it is. I mean, it's probably about that. How sick would Cowboys fans be had they passed on this and grabbed a defender, had they passed on this on this pick and grabbed a defender and then waited for their next opportunity to give Who are you picking up? You think you think

this guy's raw? Yeah? What are you getting? Yeah, it's a position that you have to feel or you're starter. You'd be walking in and you have a team, you'd be walking in tonight with two picks, being like, well, we need a guard, we need a slash tackle, we need a wide receiver and maybe an edge rusher, and no way, we have two picks. You know, that's that's part of the deal man. But it's not like they super reach back to next point. They did not. And and this is a fact, Steven said this last night.

There's a team that tried to trade up with them right before and they said no. And Steven got a text right after that said this was that was our guy. A good thing he didn't trade with us. So it's not like they're just on this island reaching for a guy who would have gone at fifty, have been gone anywhere. Yeah, we're gonna take some phone calls. Call us eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. We've got someone on hold before we before we get to that,

I just want to throw this out there. Did the Eagles just become the favorite in the division? I mean, if if their quarterback can be average or a little bit above average, and what they added on defense, like, are they the Are they hands down the favorite right now? I don't know if they're the I don't think they're the favorite, but I looked at Jordan Davis was my favorite pick and the favorite guy in the whole draft.

We talked about him on Talking Cowboys and when they made that pick, I was like, well, I hope the Cowboys are getting a guard here at twenty four because they've got to block him now bigger than him, and they got yeah, maybe, yeah, I mean seriously, I mean it'll that'll be a I mean I was gonna discuss. I was gonna say, they can't. They can't, And they have other guys. They have a problem handling Fletcher Coxy playing by put this guy in there with him? What

are you gonna do in sweat? Wasn't around last time? All these guys like they hardgro of they have I mean nasty. Let's go to the breaking ye, we're not taking breaks. Just go to the phones, Chris. Who do we have on the phone? Thirty second rule? By the way, I told you, but I forgot who it is. He's in San Antonio. Bring him on? Who we got? Hey, what's going on? It's to Tony? What's up Tony? Thanks for holding man? We got we got long Windy, We got lots to say today. No problem here, I'll try

to make this quick. First of all, the whole point about Matt liking the pick is because of our coaches. I just I don't believe that we could scheme up to get good quality blocking out of our whole offensive line group and then to put him out there, especially when the Eagles are drafting a big boy Jordan Davis, And you know, I just think that our quality coaches is under Dan Quinn, we should have really just build our defense. So that's what we should have done, at

least in my opinions, that should have. Just we gotta believe in the coaches and what they're gonna do. If we're gonna develop a guy, at least develop them on the defense. Where our defense is on the rise and our offense is going down, why not wait wait, wait wait, I hate that was a bad cut offer for him, And I get the thirty second rule, but I'm just saying, all right, keep going no, no, no, no, no no, no no, And why all I'm saying, wait a minute, we agreed

before we came on the air. You agreed. No, you said you want to do anything other than what the other option was, Okay, And this is turning into the I said it was a bad It was a bad cutoff for him, not for Chris. How about when he's got ten seconds left, do the Mario drop? Just give him the ten second point, no, as a warning so you can wrap it up. It's fine, it's fine, but but but it gets to me that's hypocritical. That's a hypocritical statement to say, to say, we build the defense,

and so the offense is on. Defense is on the rise, offense is going down. So let's not fix the offense. You want this thing to be level, right, I mean if somethings, Yeah, I Tony, thanks for the call, man, but I'm a total opposite in the defense on this built the defense. Yeah, you got a stud you got some good players, so let's fix this offense. I mean,

Tony was talking. I thought I thought Rob varted over there because you really didn't agree with that, No, Tony, Yeah, yeah, No, we're not on the same page, bro, because your greatest investment on this team is at what position? Quarterback? Quarterback? All right? Cool, all right, that's that said. Alright, when we started looking at some of the other guys, all right, quarterbacks number one, then you're looking at who who I mean, I mean name your top five guys. Your top five

guys are probably on most of them on offense. Okay, everybody agree on that? Okay, cool, So now that we've agreed on that, now let's look at the fact you have to be able to move the ball. This offensive line did not move the ball the way in which they wanted to. They were still effective because of a scheme, but they did not They were not able to line up in bullyball like the Dallas Cowboys. Identity of this organization has always been they were not able to do that.

They did not have the personnel to efficiently and effectively run the ball last year. Do we agree on that. Now we have a quarterback that had a couple of issues, and camp had a couple of issues during the season. You might want to kind of keep him upright, right, He's a guy that you want around here and healthy. Guess what you need to make sure that he feels confident and secure standing up there in the dog on pocket to be able to deliver the ball to all

these receivers. And I'm sure they're gonna grab some more that they have in this locker room. So if you can't secure the line of scrimmage, and control the line of scrimmage, because you're gonna be playing against seven hundred pounds of grown men when you play against Fifth Philly. Just in their two just in their two techniques right there, right inside inside the gaps, you're gonna have seven hundred pounds. If you can't block that up, what do you think

that you're gonna do? I don't care what your defense looks like. Look at look at the certain matchups that they played last year where they really struggled with Connor Williams and then beyond in there, you know, left guard center, Kansas City comes to mind, Tampa comes to mind, San Francisco comes to minds are one when person was wrecking everything. Yeah, and my last image of this offense was Dak getting pressured the most times he's been pressured the whole season

against San Francisco. And this offense couldn't run the ball. But average is like just over one hundred yards the last half of the season. Like they have to fix it. Question now, is Kent Tyler Smith come in and be a plug and play left guard? Well, we'll see, we'll see, but they certainly hope he can be if he's here. Sixteenth player on your board, and he feels a need, he better comes start. He has to s Yeah, he

has due. He's not just a future left tackle. I just don't think you draft the guy at that spot if he's If that question hasn't already been answered in the war in the war room of does he come in and play? No, I asked the question to Stephen Jones and he didn't really. He's like, Oh, I don't know about you know, come in and start right away. And I'm like, oh, but we're talking about guard. We're

not talking about tackle. And that's not to demean the position, but the demands of a left guard are extremely less than a left tackle. Yeah, so the position that he played in college, if he was coming in here, we're expected to play left tackle. That's a whole other conversation, right, because you're gonna be facing some of the league's best at that position. You're not facing Aaron Donald every week.

You're not facing an Aaron Donald every week, and you're not gonna be facing a Philly every week twice a year now, but they're gonna be You're not gonna be facing teams that have multiple dominant guys on the inside. Now, you got Washington teams like that. But these guys, you still have help on both sides. You're not by yourself. So the fact that it's a lot easier to grab a guard or grab a tackle and convert him over

to a guard temporarily and him still be effective. Yeah, yeah, all right, Chris, we got another call, Yes we do. We got Eric in North Carolina. Oh no, Eric, what's up? Oh no? He hung up? What's up? Oh man? Did he hang up? Or was that user error back there that you hang out? He sounded busy back there, Chris here, okay, another one. I can hear the phone. I'm sorry, I've got I've got Eli and corpus Christie, Eli. How's it going. I'm pretty good. Pretty good. Guys. Love you guys, eating everyone.

You'll listen to you all the time. I think, I know, I got thirty seconds. I just wanted to say that. I think the whole thing that y'all are missing is that we've done this with Connor McGrath, gover, We've done this with Williams. We've we've done the second round talent and a reaching board, and I know you bring up our scanner, Frederick and and and other situations. There's gonna be good and there's gonna be bad. But I've seen too many bad decisions on the guard position lately to

trust at a first round pig. Who who's a red? I mean who? He did not have a good college career to begin with, that true that, I mean, he's a freshman All American. Here's a freshman All American and he made and he made All Conference in the American Athletic Conference, which you can say what you want. It also had team in the in the final four of the of the you know, within Cincinnati, which Tulsa almost beat,

by the way. I mean, that's not just that's not true that he did not have a good college career. He had a really good He's he can't even buy a beer and he's over here and you know, I mean he's like twenty years old. Like that's that's that narrative. I don't know who you're listening to. That's not true.

He did have a good college career. And you can if you want to compare him just to the position to Connor Williams and Connor McGovern that's good luck because because they were both light in the ass, they were not movers like this guy's a house like this. It's it's different. And I'm not saying he's gonna be great. I don't know. I'm just saying you can't just go

around saying, well, this didn't work, this didn't work. I mean, well, let's don't pick him because Reggie Robinson didn't work out at Tulsa, So let's don't take this guy, you know. I mean, it's just you can't. It's not it's unfair to everybody to just compare that way. Yeah, I mean they're still trying. He I mean, Connor Williams is not a bad player, but as a second round draft pick, you would have hoped you could have he would have played well enough to where you're, okay, we want to

keep him for a second contract. That didn't happen. Connor McGovern has had some good and some bad. Obviously they're looking to upgrade that position, so I see his point. Overall, they've had more hits than missus on the offensive line. I will just say that, you know, and hey, every five years or so, they haven't had a good first round pick. Five years ago, Taco, five years before that, mow Clayborn. I don't know, if that's going to repeat itself.

When you're drafting at the back of the first round, there's less margin for error. There just is. But and in this draft, this draft was bananas, like the way it unfolded and the trading, and like the run on players and that the defensive Oh yeah, it was crazy. So like Isaiah's point earlier, like what were you supposed to don't know what? People like? What did you want to take a receiver? That was the people like this?

They like the shiny stuff. Well for sure, and fans might say, well, how about spend some money in free agencies so where you're not potentially reaching, But they don't view it like they're reaching in this And Nick's right, like, we'll see how it turns out. I'm not bad against Will in the first round. I'm not. I'm not doing it. Just let me let me see, let's get into the sea. I don't I don't think this was I don't think this was a reach. No, No, everybody wants Zeke to

get back to being Zeke. Yes, that's what everybody's crying about last year. Zeke doesn't look like Zeke. But as soon as you draft somebody that's gonna help him look more like Zeke. People are like, oh, we should have went the other direction. You know this this guy. You just look at the stats here. I mean, I mean not stats, I mean you to look at this video. He doesn't really look like a tackle to me. He

looks like a guard. And I was surprised, rob Ian, you can kind of you remember most of these guys. I was surprised how many tackles played played college football tackle that they Cowboys have moved to guard Collins. I counted like seven guys you know since I've been here. I mean, I flows out Adams was way back, but he did it for a couple of years and then actually moved Connor Williams, Lyell, Zach Martin, Ron Leary. Um,

I think I'm missing at least one more. But I mean the guys that play tackle that just instantly come in and play guard. And here's another one. Chris got another phone call due. And if this guy hangs up on me again, I'm gonna be so mad. Who is we got? Eric? North Carolina? What's for lunch man? What's up? Raising Kane? Joe Kane? Here we go to the sandwich? Alright, alright, alright, I was writing some sauce off my own phone. What oh,

I thought you said something else. I was like, that's not where the sauce goes, Eric, he goes on the tenders, not on that part of that. I would be real quick, y'all. You know, I've learned over the last few years to trust this team, to trust the decisions that they make to a certain extent. I really liked this pick. I think you couldn't really go any other way. And if anybody can coach him up, and seems he's open to the coaching, and then if that's anybody could coach him

up is Joe Fielden. So I'm very thrilled with this coaching. I mean, with this decision. It reminds me of Travis Feder twenty thirteen. It's a lot of knocks on his game, but look look like when you turned out to be. And I feel confident about this kid. I feel I'll be going to build a team up in other areas

throughout these next few rounds. A lot of talent left, so go Cowboys, and I can't wait to see what we do with next with with the rest of the draft, So you guys, enjoy the rest of you thank y'all and talk to y'all ever. Thank you, Eric, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones. They wish they were that all the fans were like you, I'll tell you what they really do. I mean, that's positive. Eric is a is a regular

on Hanging with the boys. That's fine. We always ask him what's for lunch because he calls in on Friday, and I will tell you what you heard, how how educated he was, how enthusiastic he was. That's the kind of listeners that that we we at Hanging with the boys. The people show God, we educate. We educate our fans, and that's what you get art educated. Showing just comes on later so that people have time to actually google's now that we missed you. We hadn't taken calls a while.

I was good to hear from Eric, But I mean, does he ever go non sponsor? Uh? You he'd ever tell you what the lunch that's that's yeah, you gotta dump it. He he usually cooks his own stuff, like he that's how that got started. Like he's always he's he's a he cooks. He's a cook. Let me guess the thirty second rule is a Nate Newton rule Hu because Nate was like, listen, bro Man, we gotta get

rid of this guy thirty seconds. What happened is we had we had callers that would call in and they would literally talk for like three minutes, and we were like, okay, we we got made about laugh We got an hour long show like we can't and Nate. Once you lose Nate, he's gone. Once he does this, like he's out the rest of the show. So we were like, all right, we gotta keep Nati Gays. So thirty seconds. But no,

that was that was a good call. Yeah. By the way, nick I looked up his snaps nine hundred nine last year. That's a lot of nine hundred nine last year. No wonder he's holding. He's exhausted in comparison Zion Johnson, who everybody wanted seven hundred seventy seven. Okay, so you look up Kenyan Green. I will second, well, Kenyan Green, that I think was one of the not the biggest curveball, but earlier when that when he went off the board, I think that fifteen was like all right, now, this

is gonna change things. Yeah, and Jerry said they had Tyler Smith ahead of both guys. I wonder with Kenyan Green if the whispers is about his knee leading up might have dropped him down um after the combine, But either way, that was kind of the group of guys they were looking at and and Linderbaum again center. He's gonna be a plug and play guy where he plays but doesn't fill a need for them Right now, what do you think they're gonna do today? Where do you

think they go? Do? I wait, I think they'll get um uh, tight end and over. Those are the two that I'm gonna go in that order. No receiver tied end. But but if if it not necessarily, I mean, I think those are the two positions you would prefer. But um, but you know, for some reason that safety keeps popping up, and I don't know why. I just think that if there's one that they like, I mean, which is unlike them, very unlike them. So is j Ron Kurse gonna have

LB next to his name next year? Is that basically why he's in the box and he's a linebacker. I don't know. Okay, yeah, thanks. They need linebackers, They really need linebackers, I think too. They just can't get around that. I don't care if it's if it's a traditional linebacker. I don't care if it's a linebacker, uh that likes to run around. But first guy on the book here on our Star magazine. Still they're still there in Nakobe Dean. Yeah,

I don't understand that they maybe they try to. I think it was because he didn't play at the defense that was very good. I don't think that Georgia defense was good last year. And knowing I'm kidding, like, yeah, guys, the explanation. Don't they give up like six points a game? What does he feel? How does he feel like? Okay, he won't be there long? No, this is one of those thirty thirty four thirty five overall, Like you know you're sitting right at the top. Yeah, you mentioned earlier

wide receiver. How many do you think they're gonna try to go after hopefully on your one? Hopefully on your one. Yeah. I mean we heard so much this past year a year and a half about killing Moore in his system. Uh, they feel as if, I through their action as they feel as if they don't need a traditional number one receiver, even though you know they let Coop go and now everybody's like, oh, we're gonna make CD's gonna step up

and be a number one. The reality is killing Moore is super duper confident in his system, and you don't. He doesn't feel the need for a number one. So now it's just a matter of Okay, let's start plugging and playing different attributes and different characteristics of receivers. Right, you have a CD who can kind of go inside and outside, who can be considered to be dominant. You got Gallop. Gallops are our go guy, and he's coming off injury, so as we still need to have some stuff.

We got Simmy. We really don't know what Simmy can do, right, he didn't really touch the field much last year. You pick up James Washington. Okay, James Washingtons, you're more all right inside this kind of slot slot kind of guy that can get in and out. I think you need another James Washington ish guy, another Wes Welker Ish Beasley is, you know, one of those type of guys to be able to get you those easy five six yard you know, conversions, because that ultimately is all this team needs to just

be able to move the ball down the field. I don't think that Dak's velocity of his arm is set up to be throwing the ball down the field. I just don't and I'll get cursed out for that all day long. I don't care. I don't believe, and I said it all year long, and know I have a lot of feeling to back it up. He doesn't have the velocity to push the ball down the field in

which people the way people think that he does. So with that being the case, he is going to need other options underneath that can free themselves up, to free themselves up in coverage. And there's not a lot of man coverage nowadays, so you gotta have some smart guys. I know how to find them. They're wayh in his own which is why you're enfranchising you your tag in

who nobody else really wouldn't franchised. Yeah, to your point, like Chris o'lavia was a guy a lot of fans wanted Saints trade up to I think to eleven to get him, and he had a couple of different skills that stood out. You know, he's a four three guy and that's Speed's great. To Isaiah's point, to me, maybe the best part about his game is his route running and he can step right in and be a dependable guy where the quarterback knows exactly where he's gonna be.

And that's what Amari brought more than anything here. I think they got to find a guy who can do that, just come in as a rookie and be very, very dependable for Dak Press guy Cedric Wilson did that too. By the way, Cedric Wilson was as friendly quarterback, friendly or receiver, especially a guy you pick in the sixth round as anybody they've had in a long time. Would you take ad that hurts me? That hurt me, hurt me. I was so angry. That was my pet cat, dude.

I was angry. I didn't want to see him go. I said when he got on the roster, Ross said he's gonna be He's gonna be a key contributor, special team, special teams, and a dependable receiver. He just didn't get to get the you know, the pub and then they freaking let him walk. I was not a house. Was like when Cedric was gone, I was like, this is time, this is gonna be my guy. Come on, we got

another one and bye, go ahead. Would you take would you take John Metchi from Alabama knowing that he's had a torn ACL in the SEC Championship game, He's might miss some time, and you have Michael Gallup. You wouldn't take him. No, we don't. You don't need two acls on the team. I'm just no disrespect. I'm a guy who's had a ton of injuries. But that's not you don't want to roll roll the dice, you know, saying with with double snake eyes, would you have done it

with Jamison Williams. Nope, you wouldn't have done that now here. Okay about you, Rob, What do you think they're gonna go today today? I would say receiver. You know, it depends on what falls to them or you know, maybe they get aggressive. I don't know, but but receiver and tight ends a good one. I might say edge rusher too, because you can't wait if you want to add there, you can't wait too long, you know, to find a guy who can come in and make an impact for you.

So I'd say, you know those two or three spots and the Mechi questions is good? Interesting Nick, because I'm with Isaiah and that they need a healthy guy to come in because you don't know how much time Michael gotp's gonna miss right off the bat. But they have a history here of second second treat the second round, as we can hedge a little bit here and Bruce Carter,

Jalen Smith Smith. Some of it's injury, some of it is you know, Randy Gregory dropped out of the first round because of off the field stuff and they gambled there, and you know so that they that's how they'll treat the second round at times, you know, Kelvin Joseph last year, Yeah, I think I think you made a great point the other day that that of why you know, it's also dangerous too. You do that when you're when you're covering

your basis in freecy. But they don't do that. They're putting a lot of their eggs in the basket of this draft able through the draft. That that being said, I don't know if you can be risky here in the second round. You were risky last year in the second round. And I don't know if that that player is going to play for you anymore. No one knows that right now. So I'm just saying this. I think if there is such a thing as a safe second round pick, I would do it and usually it's the

offensive line. Usually in second round. Yeah, yeah, take another guard. No, well, honestly, they do have to take another guard at some point because if this is the left tackle the future, Tyler Smith, well, then who's gonna play left guard? So I'm not saying to get him in the second round, but if there's

one in the fourth, I wouldn't be surprised. Do you think there's a scenario where they trade up today, if to get a guy since they have so many Day three picks, packaging something up and going up and getting somebody that's a Nakobe Dean or somebody, it doesn't wipe you out for the third round. I'd consider it. They've done it before. Four they traded last time. Maybe they did it was Tank you know in twenty fourteen. Would you go four and of five with the two that

you have four and to five to go up? Would that even get you up? No? I don't know. If it's not getting your not to get into Kobe Dean, Well, I don't. I mean, but hope back you still you still have three fifth rounders left, which typically fifth round you know, it's throwing darts and they haven't had a good I've mentioned our show, since Orlando was Secandrick was

the last guy that really became a starter there. But they feel like the real depth of the draft is three through five because of the super seniors, because they probably have guys that would have been graded much higher in a previous year that are maybe pushed down a little bit. But yeah, I wouldn't discount dipping in there and trying to you have draft capital move around if you want to. Yeah, yeah, alright, looks like one more at least one more call before we get out of here. Chris,

who we got? We got Jim in Pasadena? Jim, How are you fine? Guys? How are you good? Good? Good? So I looked at tape Tyler Smith. I think he's good. I think he's a maaller and dominant guy. I actually think he's better than Linderbaum. I looked at him against Michigan, and I think Tyler is a great draft. Obviously, he's got to be coached up. But my question to you is is there a tight end in the draft that can give us a huddle like New England's Hernandez Grunk.

So that's my question. And if there is a tight end that can give us that do you trade up for it? Good question? Are you looking at some guys? I think page fifty one of our draft magazine is going to have some interesting names today. I think four guys that they like M K Trey McBride, which might be a second rounder, dull Rich from UCLA which is also I think a second rounder, and then maybe Ruckert

and Otton in the third. Any of those guys come in for thirty visits, I'm not which apparently that apparently that doesn't What does that mean? It doesn't really matter this year, because neither did uh Tyler Smith did he know? But I well, what I like about all three four of these guys that I'm looking at, they're almost identical in their in Their size is six four, six to five, all around two forty five. And I would think those guys can can be capable blockers. That's the big one

right there. Can they help there? Because you know Dalton's gonna help is He's gonna be a top option in the passing game. Yeah, So I think I think tight end's gonna happen here, maybe not in the second round, but but maybe in the third. I think that happens today, and I think they want to get a receiver, So stay offense and go tackle. I mean, go receiver and tight end. That's my prediction for today, all right, anything,

I don't mean to answer his question. I don't see anybody in this draft being able to grab somebody that's gonna pair up with what you already have at the tight end position that's gonna make a combination like Hernandez and in Grunk. So let's go ahead and put that to rest. But in terms of being able to go grab somebody that can help block, you know, I've had some conversations with Linda Welles, and I think that he's pretty confident with who he has in the room in

terms of their ability to block um. But you know, to that point, they still might add somebody. You know, obviously I'm always gonna go through you dub people, so odd somebody I wouldn't be mad about. But it's like, what do you what do you need? You know, like I'm always looking at like necessities, whether it's sexy or not. What are the absolute necessities for this offense or for this and for this team. And I think that you still need a big man upfront because we haven't resigned

any we didn't we didn't sign a big man. What's up urban Urban? You didn't sign an urban. So you still need a big you know, a big nasty say, you still need him. I don't know if they's if there, if there's in this draft, right, but you still need somebody to have that type of presence. Um. And I still think that you need you do need a receiver. Um. And then I think you still need DBS. Man. I still think that you need DBS. You're in a league

that is lining up. There's teams that are lining up with four one or number two receivers, and you got to find a way to stop him. And yeah, I don't think that you can have enough you obviously we have Digs out there. He's doing his thing, and then you have a couple whether you know, a Brown and couple other guys. But you don't to your point, you don't know if Joe still is going to be out there. There's a high probability he probably won't you know, um

some time. Yeah, so you need to find somebody else that can step in and contribute at that position as well. Any party word rob before we get out of here. No, that's corner, right, that's that's another one like and Jerry was asked, yeah, tuesday, you know, would that affect your draft preparation? He said no, No, they don't tip their hand on much of anything at the pre draft press conference.

But that'd be interesting to see if. I mean, you could say they don't have must but there's a lot of positions that you could look at and if they could go with their this route on second, third round and say oh yeah, yeah that could work. That could work. I would say receiver stands out still to me though, the most because because it gallops status. Even if he's back early September or training camp, how much you know he's gonna be probably limited. So they need to address

more of that position. Depth two is there, I tell you what. Let's go around the horn before we get out of here. Last question for everybody. Start with you, Rob. Is there a position today that they would they could draft that you would be like, upset? Is there a position they do not need to address today? Quarterback and kicker and uh? Running back? Yeah? Running back? You know some of the what would be upset? Huh? Not upset would be I would be puzzled. I would you know

they got the A and M running back. Well, you know, I wouldn't be mad about it. I would be fine with with mister Spiller. I love that. But but I mean they're not those are not muss those are not It's an obviously quarterback, come on, you know, but that's not gonna happen. But everything else is in play, right, I mean, like as asked said, a d line, whether it's a guy in the middle or a pass rusher on the edge. Linebacker, you could tell walk me into

safety corner. I mean really, they could go in a lot of directions to help out dan Quinn, no doubt. Yeah about you, Gaiah, anything anything you would not be on board with position wise today, tight end, tight end, I'd be I'd be kind of angry about that. Running back, I think that would be It's not a necessity. I think those are two positions that don't need to be tended to right now based upon some of the decisions

and people that you have in place. Um quarterback. Yeah, I mean that's not it's not happening alas not even in play. Yeah about you, nick Na, I mean the same with what they're saying. I mean, this team needs some help in a lot of areas. I mean and so and then that's what that's what's going on with the league now. I mean, like second contracts are I mean, there's so much turnover now, so it is, it is a lot of I mean even though you think, well we're set now, I mean look at like running back,

like we're set now. Well next year, I mean much none of these running backs could be on the roster next year. Same tight end, Same with tight end. I mean, see what happens with Schultz's deal if he gets a deal corner. I mean, you know, Brown and Jordan Lewis may not be here, Joseph may not. I mean so like so a position you think look solid may not. Yeah, and that and that's something that they are thinking of.

You know, like a lot of fans, and there's some educated fans out there for sure, but sometimes they do get in Madden mode where they think that's all about this year and this year only, and they don't draft that way. They don't they don't make decisions that way. Yeah, well, fellas, this was fun, fun. Thanks for having me, Nick Eatman, Isaiah stand bad Us, Rob Phillips, I'm Shannon Gross, Chris Beam, thanks for pulling all the buttons and hanging up on folks,

but making it sound good anyway. William, thanks for having the live streams up so early in the morning after you were up here all night. We appreciate that. Day two of the draft and just uh a few hour else what six hours from now, so we'll see what happens, and I'm sure we'll have another one of these tomorrow. You do another one of these tomorrow, Dick, No, probably not no, because we started early day. So yeah, this

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