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SEASON 4 EPISODE 21: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN

A-Block (2:30) COULD TRUMP PASS A SANITY TEST? Warning: this is a PARTIAL RE-RUN. If you heard Thursday's episode, don't bother. But I got such a great response to re-reading and annotating and updating my July 2016 piece for Vanity Fair Magazine on this topic that I wanted to post this as a stand-alone segment in case you skipped it and had time to listen now. The Thursday news-of-the-day stuff has gotten slightly outdated so I've stripped it off. As you know, I don't make a habit of re-posting episodes and I'm not going to start. Again: if you listened to the whole thing Thursday, this is NOT going to be new to you. Don't listen - unless you're trying to memorize it.

SO... COULD TRUMP PASS A SANITY TEST? I have grown old talking about Trump's sanity. As I wrote then: short answer? Probably not. This is a layman using professional tools: an actual kind of "triage" test used by working psychology professionals to assess if somebody is injured, tripping, or psychopathic. I had an active therapist walk through the examination and assign the points per topic. It's an important time to review what we knew - or should have known - nine long years ago. Because he was unwell then, too.

B-Block (24:31) PART TWO OF "CAN TRUMP PASS A SANITY TEST": We conclude the annotated 2016 piece on Trump's already provable mental distress with the disturbing reality that takes us back to where we began on Thursday with Representative Madeleine Dean's lament: "The president is unwell."

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Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. If we all live through this, The subject that will surprise historians the most is for how long it was clear this man was mentally incoonfident and nobody did anything about it. Ordinarily, I would say my conscience was clear about this because I first brought it up in June of twenty sixteen on the Chelsea Handler Show on Netflix. Yes there was one,

look it up. Then the next month Vanity Fair published a piece I did called could Trump Pass a Sanity Test? And we made a video of it. Apparently I didn't talk loud enough on the Chelsea Handler Show, or the article wasn't long enough, or we didn't make enough videos. I'm going to tank the could Trump pass a Sanity Test? Article and read it again now virtually unchanged with a few notes, because it's all still true, only way worse. But it was all there when this article came out

one hundred and eleven months ago. One hundred and eleven Could Trump pass a Sanity Test? July twenty first, twoenty sixteen Short answer, probably not. First several important caveats. There is little worse and nothing cheesier than questioning the psychological stability of a public figure, especially a candidate for president, even in this case, except that in his year of campaigning, Donald Trump has called Lindsey Graham a nut job, Glen Beck a real nut job, and Bernie Sanders a wacko.

Trump has insisted Ben Carson's got pathological disease, and asked about Barack Obama is our president insane? He called Ted Cruz unstable, unhinged, a little bit of a maniac, and crazy or very dishonest. He also called the entire CNBC channel crazy. He called Megan Kelly crazy at least six times. Respectful reticence about aspersions and cliches and mental health questions in a time in which mocking was seemingly slowly maturing

into concern. That died a long time ago in this presidential cycle of twenty sixteen, and it died at Donald Trump's hands. Moreover, if the question is asked seriously and not gratuitously, just the examination might explain how Trump has seemingly survived dozens of moments that might each have been

campaign enders for almost anybody else. Why have we not asked if a given presidential candidate might be disqualified from office due to psychological reasons, because we not only can't see this forest for the trees, but each time we try, there are even more trees blocking our view. In the twenty four hour news cycle, each successive John Yerke's Iceland moment is not registered cumulatively. It merely supplants the one

from last week or yesterday this morning. This could also explain Trump's seeming imperviousness to his own mind bending campaign. Surely it must be exhausting to attack the Pope February eighteenth attack President Clinton, May eighteenth, attack, John McCain July eighteenth, attack Mexicans June sixteenth, attack Muslims December eighth attack. Candidates who use a teleprompter, May twenty sixth, just before you

give a speech using a teleprompter, May twenty sixth. It's got to be exhausting unless, as the old joke goes, no pain no gain, also no brain, no pain anyway. The actual sanity test I found for this article is called, by delicious coincidence, the hair Psychopathy Checklist Revised, introduced by a Canadian criminal psychologist named Robert D. Hare in nineteen eighty and that's Hare. It's still in use. In some quarters, though with ever more diffuse and specific mental health diagnoses.

It is not without its critics, however, as a practicing therapist who walked me through it agreed, it serves as a kind of triage device to separate the injured from the tripping from the psychopathic. And about that word, we

seem to have completely muddled up sociopath and psychopath. Sociopath think Ted Kaczynski, the unibomber, living out there and his shack in the woods, feeling nothing for other humans and unable to interact with them, literally mailing it in psychopath think Ted Bundy feeling nothing for other humans, but having long ago learned how to expertly mimic relationships by being whatever he needed to be to whomever he needed to use, killing at least thirty women serving as his own counsel,

and cross examining a female witness, proposing marriage to her while she was on the stand, and getting her to say yes. For each of the twenty items on the hair psychopathy checklist, you're supposed to assign the subject a zero, one point or two. The highest and most dangerous score is thus forty. In the United States, the accepted minimum score for possible psychopathy meaning you might be nuts is thirty.

So those are the rules. Let's play the freud. The test begins with an assessment of charm that is superficial, forced charm, faked charm? May I dare say this Trump charm? I had interviewed Donald Trump as long ago as nineteen eighty three, and I always thought he was a horse's ass.

But after running into him when we both worked at NBC, and then in the lobby of one of his apartment buildings in which I lived, I was stunned to encounter a quiet, succinct, seemingly sincere co worker and in essence landlord. In one role, he described himself as an anti Bush pro Obama Liberal. In the other, he urged me to contact him personally with any problems or suggestions about the

building in which I lived. And then he got on the campaign stage, and boom, he was America's newest Mussolinium personator. For a long while, I was flummixed as to which of these truly mutually ex exclusive personalities was the act. Then I was reminded that it didn't really matter, which that having multiple personalities should by itself preclude one from

having access to multiple nuclear warheads. I was explaining this on Bill Maher's show in November twenty fifteen when mar suddenly got so g whiz that I almost didn't recognize him. Me too, he exclaimed boyishly. Mar cynical to such a degree that it makes me seem as earnestly faithful as a pope, said he had just been as convinced as I was, and thus just as stunned by this hydra of Trumpian personas he'd always been nice to me. I can easily imagine myself being taken in by a con

artist like Donald Trump. I mean, Trump wrote me a fan letter once. But mar mar who called me a corporate allowed in nineteen seventy eight, when I had to that point earned about two hundred dollars from all the corporations in the world combined. He fooled Bill Maher. So if you're giving out points about fake charm, Trump gets both of them. The next topic was an excessive sense of self worth. No kidding, I feel like a supermodel, he said on June eighteenth, twenty sixteen, in Phoenix, except

like times ten, it's true, I'm a supermodel. I'm on the cover of these magazines. I'm on the cover of the biggest magazines. This was stated by the first Umpealoopa American to run for national office. He is bright orange. He is an old man, affecting a hair color and style that would have been rejected by the eighties synth pop group A flock of seagulls. I served with supermodels. I knew supermodels. Supermodels were friends of mine. Donald, You're

no supermodel. But that is two more points for you. The test moves on to ask if the subject can't mentally sit still, must he always try to make things happen good, bad, or otherwise? Not easily bored but almost impossible to focus? Acknowledging that a lot of us get a point or two here, I certainly do not. All of those job changes of mine were their fault. Let me first quote the introduction from Trump's think like a billionaire quote, don't take vacations. What's the point? Have a

short attention span? Most successful people have very short attention spans.

It has a lot to do with imagination. Here are some of the wide ranging businesses Trump's short attention span has dragged him and the world into real estate, vitamins, rentals, books, condos, trucolate bars, golf courses, pro football, beauty pageants, stakes, board game television hosting, bottled water, universities, men's wear, professional wrestling, mortgages, airlines, fragrances, coffee, restaurants, energy drinks, vodka, search, engines your analysis, and of course,

bicycle racing. Bicycle racing the Tour de Trump in which I noted at the time, contestants raced three hundred laps around his ego. As a twenty twenty five aside. Can we add crypto and flags and bibles and merch and twenty sixteen hats and twenty twenty hats and twenty twenty eight hats and twenty thirty two hats and mugshot merch and influenced pedling and two more points? The test now

gets heavy. Is there lying involved? Again? To June eighteenth, twenty sixteen, at the Woodlands in Texas after the horrible Pulse Club shooting. Quote. If some of those wonderful people had guns strapped right here, right to their waist or right to their ankle, and this son of a bitch comes out and starts shooting, and one of the people in that room happen to have it and goes boom. You know what, that would have been a beautiful, beautiful site, folks,

that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight. June twenty two days later on Twitter, when I said that if within the Orlando club you had some people with guns, I was obviously talking about additional guards or employees. Can I stop here or should I walk you through the hot and cold running lies? Alternating with the admissions of the Times in the nineties, he pretended to be his own spokesman, John Miller and John barn Or say virtually every other thing he said since this article came out

nine years ago. Another two points on your scoreboard, please. The test then asks if the patient is manipulative or cons people you think I'll add today from the of twenty twenty five, who should we ask to write the guest essay on this question? Here? Mike Pence, maybe Trump's own daughter Ivanka. I'm giving another two points here. Next we remove to the absence of any sense of guilt

or regret, ask about his faith. At the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa by the moderator Frank Lunce in July twenty fifteen, Trump said people are so shocked when they find out I am Protestant, I am Presbyterian, and I go to church and I love God and I love my church. Lunce then followed up with the softball of literally biblical proportions. Whether Trump has ever asked God for forgiveness for his own actions quote, I'm not sure I have. I just go on and try to do

a better job from there. I don't think so. I think if I do something wrong, I think I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't. Trump then explained that Holy Communion sufficed quote when I drink my little wine, which is about the only wine I drink, and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed. I think in terms of let's go on

and let's make it right, unquote the art of the deal. Indeed, Trump picked up this thread with Jake Tapper in January twenty sixteen. Again the subject was religion. Quote. I like to be good. I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. Tapper then asked about arrival, presumed to be Ted Cruz, who was conducting field research into the efficacy of questioning Trump's religious convictions. Quote, he shouldn't be doing that,

very unethical. Within a few weeks, Trump attacked Cruise's religious convictions on February twelve, health In fact, He's tweeted, how can Ted Cruz be an evangelical Christian when he lies so much and is so dishonest. Not a week after that, Pope Francis answered a question about Trump's overall tone quote, A person who thinks only about building walls wherever they

may be and not building bridges is not Christian. Within hours, Trump slammed the Pope fantasized about an ISIS attack on the Vatican that only he Trump could stop and concluded this remarkable circle of illogic by writing, for a religious

leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. This is right after he questioned a person's faith, after he twice admitted that his faith included the option to not ask forgiveness and not quote bring God into that picture, and just four months before he'd go back to this well and question Hillary Clinton's faith again. That's two more solid points. The next item had to be explained to me thoroughly from my analyst friend. It's the psychological jargon term shallow affect.

In some it's tone deafness when it comes to explaining relationships between people. For instance, if somebody got up on stage for the sake of argument, we'll say it's Billy Joel at Madison Square Garden, and that person insulted you by sarcastically dedicating to you his song the Entertainer as a way of saying you weren't a leader or a politician, but merely an entertainer. You might take umbrage or at least recognize the insult, not if you are suffering from

shallow effect. Thank you, Billy Joel, Trump tweeted on May twenty seven, twenty sixteen. Many friends just told me you gave me a very kind shout out at MSG. Appreciated love your music. Another example of shallow affect would be a kind of approach to how people influence each other's lives that could be diagrammed as event B follows event A. Therefore event A caused event B. If say, a prominent athlete ignored you or in some other tangential way, interacted

with you before failing or being injured. You might think in passing that you would somehow jinxt him, especially if you were still nine or ten years old, but you probably wouldn't publicly claim it, not unless you're suffering from shallow affect. Quote Derek Jeter had a great career until three days ago. Trump tweeted on October fifteenth, twenty twelve, after the baseball player shattered his ankle during a game when he sold his apartment at Trump World Tower. I

told him not to sell karma. The answer this chain letter or many ankles will be broken theme was not some early passing expression of the now familiar syndrome we might describe as TWT tweeting, while Trump five days later quote Derek Jeter broke ankle one day after he sold his apartment in Trump World Tower, and just to finish this off. Another aspect to shallow affect would be an

unwillingness to acknowledge reliance on others. On March sixteenth, twenty sixteen, Trump was asked about which foreign policy consultancy was speaking to. I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain, he said, apparently seriously. I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people. I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time, I'll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good

instinct for this stuff. As an aside, is the narrator anywhere to know he's off his break. On June twenty fourth, twenty sixteen, in Scotland, Trump again described his dream consultant, saying he spoke to quote foreign the advisors all the time, but the advice has to come from me. The advice has to come from me. The effect is shallow. The points score is not like that last statement. There's two of them. Then it's onto lack of empathy. How much

lack of empathy can you have? June twelfth, twenty sixteen, hours after the last shots had been fired at the Pulse Club in Orlando, quote, appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism. I don't want congrats. I want toughness and vigilance. We must be smart. As a reminder, you cannot give fifteen hundred points for just one item on the hair psychopathy checklist, even if that total is seemingly deserved. Just just two more here, then there's a

lifestyle question. Does the subject of your exam live his life as you know a parasite. This does not mean, as I originally thought, living materially off mom and dad or others, although that can be a minor component, especially if dad gave you a million dollar loan circle nineteen seventy and you get nine million more from a bank on the promise of your inheritance, and ultimately you got about forty million on your father's death, and you considered

all that just a small start in life. No, it has more to do with taking credit for the work of others, to the degree of erasing all record of their contributions and slapping your name on their efforts, often in transactions in which you are literally renting the use of your name as a brand and nothing else, you know, like Trump Pallace, the Tour, to Trump, Trump Steaks, Trump taj Mahal, Donald Trump, the Fragrance, and of course Castle

TRUMPU law. And just as in court, a wife cannot be forced to give evidence of parasitic lifestyle against her husband, despite Millennia Trump's Conventions speech fiasco in twenty sixteen, unless her husband wrote or stole that for her. Remember that where her speech sounded suspiciously like Michelle Obama's. Again just two points. The mid point two point question asks if the subject had poor behavioral controls, Well, what's your definition

of poor? As a twenty twenty five aside, I'd like to note the next sentence was written by me in twenty sixteen. Well, he had poor behavioral controls, but everybody agrees he's going to dial it all back this time

right after he pivots pivots towards dialing it back. Right Judge Gonzalo Curiel, right, Don King, Joel Austin, Ben Roethlisberger, Pete Rose, or anybody else who Trump claimed had endorsed him when they had not, Or the Hispanic ABC reporter he called a sleeze, or the losing Republican presidential hopefuls he mocked in a video the day after he insisted

he was going to unite the Republican Party. So we are at the halfway mark of this twenty sixteen exam, and the article I wrote, could Trump pass a sanity test two points per topic? Thirty or thirty five points is real trouble. So far, he's been graded for possible twenty points, and he has twenty points the rest of it. The next topic is promiscuous sexual behavior. Oh, that's next. This is countdown back with the second half of the July twenty sixteen Vanity Fair article I wrote, Can Trump

pass a sanity Test? Where with the help of a therapist, I tried to score how nuts he was even then from afar All this in light of Congresswoman Dean's pithy and quick observation the President is unwell and Governor Pritzker's invocation of invoking the twenty fifth Amendment to remove him from office because there's something really wrong with him. Now, to remind you, you're supposed to give the patient no points one point or two point per topic. That's it,

no variations. So far we've done half of the topics. Ten of them, he's gotten twenty points. That's not the flex that he would think it would be if you told him to resume with the test. Is the individual sexually promiscuous? Ahem. When I was a young radio sportscaster, I was given the great opportunity to interview by telephone a famous athlete who had just been suspended from his sport because he had gone to work for a casino the athlete now deceased, but will still use a pseudonym.

We'll call him Jimmy Smith was expecting my call. This as near as I can remember, it was the transcript of the start of that call, ring, ring voice sounding kind of like Hattie McDaniel, the Academy Award winning actress from Gone with the Wind. Mister Smith's residence. Me uh hi. Milton Richmond from UPI gave me mister Smith's number and said he would be willing to give me a brief interview.

May I may I speak with him? Please? Voice sounding kind of like Hattie McDaniel, the Academy Award winning actress from Gone with the Wind. Who's calling please me? My name is Keith Olderman from UPI Radio. Jimmy Smith. This is Jimmy. As silly as the story of the whole fake Trump spokesman was. Of course he has invisible friends. Of course they're pr flax. Lost in the laughter were

three important details. Firstly, as my conversation with Jimmy Smith and his imaginary house keeper suggests, people do do this, but secondly, when they do it, they usually try to disguise their own voice. Thirdly, rarely do they assume other identities in order to provide the second component to what we categorize as promiscuity, besides multiple partners boasting about it. Nineteen ninety one, John Miller to sue carswell than of people as of twenty and fifteen with Vanity Fair, for

whom I wrote this article. Quote, He's meaning Trump, somebody that has a lot of options, and frankly, he gets called by everybody. He gets called by everybody in the book. In terms of women, I mean they call, they just call. He's living with Marla and he's got three other girlfriends. Unquote Trump in his own voice, pretending to be somebody else talking about Trump and the women he betted. That'll be two more points. Next. The test asks if there

were conduct problems early in the subject's life. When I was a kid, probably four or five, I twice hit a friend of mine in the back of the head with a metal toy. I remember shock, blood, no stitches, and then a series of family meetings. We talked, the folks, got some professional advice. They got me into organized sports and exercise, and I quickly realized that just because I was frustrated with somebody that was not a good reason

to hit them regardless. When I had my analyst friend run the hair psychopathy checklist on me, I insisted she give me a point on this because hitting a kid in the back of the head with a toy fire engine and later a magnet was at minimum an indicator of the potential for early behavior problems. So if you're given me a point for this, how many points would you give a child who attacked one of his own teachers.

Quote I actually gave a teacher a black eye, Trump wrote in the Art of the Deal in nineteen eighty seven, barely concealing his retroactively. He placed the time of the assault as the second grade, likely making him seven years old. Quote I punched my music teacher because I didn't think he knew anything about music, and I almost got expelled. What kind of kid punches an adult in the face? I mean, we hear about punching up, but think back

to being that age seven. The one universal I can recall was that no seven year old ever dreamt of trying to physically take on an adult, for the simple and unavoidable reason that virtually any adult was several times your own weight. If you pick the wrong one, they might do more than just defend themselves. Even knocking an adult down could be an exercise in self destruction if

he fell on you. The most reality challenged of all of my young classmates the kid who ran headfirst into the side of a moving school bus for reasons that still remain unclear ten presidents later. He would never have hit an adult. There is a second version of the same story from a Trump biographer. He did indeed give the teacher a black eye, but not with a punch. He threw an eraser at him and hit him just right,

because that's way better. Regardless, the version Trump tells is of the four foot tall edition of himself punching what was at least a five foot tall adult in the eye, hard enough to give the man a shiner. The only argument against calling this early behavior problems is that the first word implies that it stopped at some point two more points. The tests you will have noticed bounces around a bit from topic to topic. From early behavior, we

switch back to long term goals. Does the patient lack them? So far? Mister Trump is theoretically aced our exam, but reality now invades our idyllic scene. There could be a thousand things psychologically wrong with the process by which Trump

ends up with a low score on this one. In the big picture, you would never have thought Mussolini was less crazy just because he left Italy for Switzerland in nineteen oh two in part to avoid military service, and exactly twenty years later Mussolini became head of the Italian state and often dressed up in his military uniform. But

tests are tests, there are rules here. And if you say, this guy Trump so lacks realistic long term goals that he thinks he can become president and he winds up president twice, the long term goals turned out to be not that unrealistic. Huh. As I look back at this article from twenty twenty five, I desperately want to give Trump a point on this one here, because once again he boasts about having the very thing that psychology says is a warning sign. Except you know, he was right

he became president. In the preface to Think Like a Billionaire, Trump quotes the author Richard Konniff quote, almost all successful alpha personalities display a single minded determination to impose their vision on the world and irrational belief in unreasonable goals, bordering sometimes on lunacy and it worked for him, So on this one, Trump, you'll get nothing and you'll like it. He could have twenty six points, he only has twenty four.

Next is the patient impulsive? In March twenty sixteen, writing in Psychology Today, doctor Glenn Geher offered a different definition of impulsiveness. It's not necessarily the same as rashness or its positive twin quick thinking. True impulsiveness usually leaves fingerprints

of edgy, though not automatically pernicious behavior. Rather, it makes one do these things in the wrong place, at the wrong time, Mike, As doctor Geher was analyzing discussing the size of your penis during a presidential debate, he didn't include the other examples where the context turns that behavior or that language from borderline to impulsive. You might appropriately bring up that topic in bed, or at a bar,

or even at your tailor's. But it's like saying a female presidential candidate had been schlonged in a primary, criticizing the face of one of your female rivals during a speech, like crudely referring to a network television figures menstruation while on a rival television network. Back to two points out of two. Here down the stretch we come. This is another seemingly easy item that is actually difficult to nail

to the wall. What is irresponsibility? Not crediting John McCain's heroism because he got captured when you yourself avoided the military draft and service four maybe five times? Is irresponsibility shown by taking a position on guns in nightclubs that's so extreme that the president and legislative director of the

National Goddamned Rifle Association condemned. It is irresponsibility, at least to the millions of lost souls who actually thought you'd make a great American president rather than merely the last American president. Is irresponsibility to even make a joke if it was a joke that if you were offered five billion dollars to drop out quote, I guess we'd have

to think about it. Is the word more applicable or less applicable if it comes out the next day that during May your campaign spent more than twice as much at business as you own than it did on payroll. The problem with this heading is that so much of what fits vaguely into irresponsibility, promiscuity, bankruptcy, punching out your teacher fits like jigsaw pieces into the other categories in this test. That doesn't mean the examples are ineligible, just imprecise,

but it does mean we have to score conservatively. So let's give him one of the two points. We are asked next to assess whether the patient accepts responsibility for their own actions. Again, you cannot give more than two points in any category. Both of my favorite examples here involve interviews with The Washington Post, remember the one Washington Post.

On May twenty fourth, twenty sixteen, Trump was caught having not yet donated the money from the purported veterans fundraiser he staged as counter programming to the January Republican debate that he bailed out of. The Post quoted his remarks at the fundraiser, which was televised nationally. We just cracked six million dollars, right, six million? Trump replied to them, I didn't say six. The somewhat startled Post staffer said it was on tape. Play it for me, Trump replied,

because I'd like to hear it, The Post reported. Trump then manipulated the conversation to another topic, precluding the playing of the video. Eleven days later, the tape of him speaking in his own voice, but pretending to be his spokesman John Miller, was revealed when during a phone interview, a Post reporter brought up that proof, the John Miller tape. Trump simply hung up the phone. Two more points next, there's a question here about wedding vows, lots of marriages,

short ones. This depends on numerical definitions. Despite the falling of religious barriers against divorce and the rise of the prenup, the mean is still around just one point two to one point three marriages per American and the number of men who marry more than once is only about fifteen percent. But Trump's marriage is still total only three and their lengths fourteen six and now nearly twenty one years are hardly in the annulled within thirty two hours range I

mentioned earlier. So no points here. Okay, once we again we swing, We swing back to youth. Was the guy or gal ever a juvenile delinquent? Now not every student at Trump's high priced alma mater, New York Military Academy NIMA, as we used to call it when I was in high school and our teams played theirs, was automatically the son of rich p parents who had been afforded the choice not offered their less affluent fellowed troubled kids military

school or reform school. That would be a cliche, but the one on the record, first hand assessment we have of Trump as child cuts through cliches and reputations. Quote. He was a pretty rough fellow when he was small, said Donald Trump's father, explaining why he had to pull him out of a traditional prep school in their native Queens and ship him away to Nima. There are plenty of classmates at that military boarding school who paint a

picture of a kid always throwing hands. On June twenty third, twenty sixteen, the Washington Post profiled Trump as Nima inmate quote, struck with a broomstick during a fight. He tried to push a fellow cadet out the second floor window, only to be thwarted when two other students intervened. The paper also quoted one of his pre NEMA teachers, quote, he would sit with his arms folded with this look on

his face. I use the word surly, almost daring you to say one thing or another that wouldn't settle with him. The Post quotes a younger neighbor named Dennis Burnham once when she left Dennis in a playpen in a backyard adjoining the Trump's property. Martha Burnham returned to find Donald throwing rocks at her son. She saw Donald standing at the fence, Dennis Burnham said, using the playpen for target practice. This is the sort of stuff that would make a

true bully flinch. Plus, we have the boast from little Donnie Trump at about seven, blackening the eye of an adult. Do we have records of the police being called? No, nor does the category heading ask for them. And that applies to the next question too. Has there been revocation of conditional release? The what now of conditional release? Now, don't be worried if this confuses you, Your confusion only

means you are not a parole officer. This is legal dingo for getting your parole revoked or your probation converted into jail time because you were just caught doing that illegal thing that had gotten you in trouble in the first place. It is very specifically a criminal record issue. It's tempting based on what's happened since he left office the first time to give him a point here, But I'm going to do it because that's not what the record says at the moment. We'll revisit this in twenty

twenty nine, if there is a twenty twenty nine. Finally, is there true criminality and is it multifaceted? Not just the same crime over and over again as in the previous question, but lots of different kinds of crimes. The psychological professional and I got into a big debate about

this one. She argued that criminal is not necessarily meantal literally here that if you scammed charities, stole money from grandmothers via a phony university, and directed about twenty percent of yourr own campaigns, monthly spending towards companies you own, and the reimbursement for travel by your kids, it all qualified.

My point was that the word criminal was used, not dishonest, not unethical, not nefarious, capital ce criminal and the purp walk or multimillion dollar fine in restitution, which that implies, not that that couldn't have been the end result from Trump you and then came, you know, is presidency and stealing all those you know, espionage kind of document stuffs and the Egene Carol case and the other Egen Carol case and January sixth and all the convictions, and and

this just proves take heart, young man, no matter how old you are, you still can get crazier. Give him the two points for a final score of thirty three. So there you have it. Trump peters out towards the end. There, but with thirty points being the marker at which professionals could present a diagnosis of psychopathy your psychopath, the implications are clear. Our Trumper's new clothes media rightly sees the latest Trump event, whatever it is this time, as one

of the most unbelievable developments in American political history. But the simple mechanics of following, reporting, and writing the proverbial new high in low every single day means that they could be missing one overriding truth about the mental health

of the most remarkable presidential candidate ever. In short, our amateurs exercise with the very professional hair psychopathy checklist suggests that if you were betting on it, you'd probably want to bet that Donald Trump couldn't pass a sanity test. Open book. Now, having slogged through this inventory of the citizen Kane storage unit of bizarre presidential candidate conduct, go look at social media because in the time it has

taken you to listen to this podcast. Even if, as Congresswoman Dean says, the President is unwell, He's probably just done something new to raise his score, hasn't he. I've done all the damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. Most of our Countdown music was arranged, produced, and performed by Brian Ray and John Phillip Schaneil, our musical directors of Countdown. It was produced by Tko Brothers. Mister Ray was on the guitars, bass and drums. Mister

Chanelle handled orchestration in keyboards. Our satirical and pithy musical comments are by the best baseball stadium organists ever, Nancy Faust. The Olderman theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy of ESPN, Inc. Is the sports music. Other music arranged and performed by the group No Horns Allowed. The test is copyrighted by the people from the Test. The article some of that's mine, some of that belongs to Benny Fair. Whatever they want ten dollars, I'll send

them ten dollars. Everything else was, as always my fault. That's countdown for today. Day two hundred and forty six of America held hostage just two hundred and seventeen days until the scheduled end of his lame duck and lame brain term unless he is removed sooner by MAGA and Jeffrey Epstein, or the pavement on his hand, or a stuck escalator, or the psychopathy test or tail and all, or the President is unwell. The next schedule countdown is

Monday till then. I'm Keith Lraman. Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight, and good luck. Countdown with Keith Alreman is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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