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This ain't my first time at the rodeos. Welcome to the December Breakdown. Today we are breaking down and shaking down Ghost Adventures, one of the most popular reality TV shows of all time, originally featured on the Travel Channel. Today, Tommy from the Let's Get Freaky podcast joins us again to explore the ever present Darcicle influence on Ghost Adventures and more specifically the host Zach and of course, to find more from Tommy and the Let's Get Freaky podcast.

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Okay? November six from Anna I'm not even gonna try A N N A L y z e U entitled I Love this show five stars. Hi, Julia, I love your show. I also found you through Cult of Conspiracy and I loved the Maryland podcast. Thank you so much. It was so enlightening, and this episode with Rege had me laughing out loud so much my coworkers and boss probably thought I was goin' looney. Thank you so much.

I am excited to be here. Thank you very much. This is exciting.

It is It's going to be kind of paranormal, kind of conspiracy ish tonight, and that's something that I know you enjoy covering as well. But for the first time listener, where can they find your podcast and what all's going on on the Let's Get Freaky podcasts.

Yes, so we're on all the major podcast platforms, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, pretty much wherever you get your podcasts, we're there. Recently started putting some episodes on YouTube. That's quite a new thing for me because it's the video side, and that's that's another ball game.

But we're there.

We're on YouTube now as well, all over social media.

Let's Get Freaky.

Yeah, we talk all things paranormal, ghosts, cryptis, UFOs. I've had some weird experiences in my life and I just like learning about the subject and hearing other people stories.

Yeah, and I think for a lot of American listeners, they probably enjoy your podcast just to hear your accent, so they get tired of listening to me. I want to throw some pizzazz in there.

I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't know, do you.

So, how has the podcast been going as far as having guests on that just want to kind of tell you about their personal paranormal experiences. Do you have random guests on like that that you've never met before?

Yeah, most most of the guests I've never met before, and they're just telling me there because it's quite a personal thing with a paranormal because it's just.

It's serious to you because you've experienced it.

So it's quite hard to talk about it and to know that, I'm sure there's people listening to is he telling the truth? So it is quite hard for people to so to come out with their story. So I respect everyone that comes on.

Yeah, it is, and I always believe them.

Yeah, because you don't want people to think you're a lunatic. But yeah, there's stuff that goes on that can't be explained. And that kind of brings us to our breakdown for our episode tonight is actually a paranormal type reality TV show, which is Ghost Adventures.

Yeah, there are things in this world that we will never fully understand understand. We want answers, and.

We have worked years to build our credibility, our reputation, working alongside the most renowned professionals in the field, capturing groundbreaking proof of the paranormal. I can't give you an explanation.

This is our evidence, our ghost adventures.

And I usually only talk about big Hollywood production style movies, ghostbusters and things that are made up. So this is the first time I actually dove into more of a reality type TV show, and I'm talking about ghost adventures. Yes, they go and investigate haunted locations, and a lot of other TV shows do that. But what sets this show apart is the host, Zach Begans or Bagins. However, I think he pronounces it Begans just to sound cool. I

But don't make it sound a bit more upmarket.

I guess, yes. But so I haven't really told you anything that I found during my research. So you're going in blind, and I want to get your thoughts and feelings about it as a fellow paranormal investigator, if you will, And what are your thoughts about the show, the cast, Zach, all of that. Like just Rath, I.

Quite enjoyed the show. It's paranormal. There's something about the Zach guy.

I mean, he's loved, but like in the paranormal world, a lot of people absolutely idolize him, like he's like the god. He's got like he's got like Facebook groups dedicated to him, and you know all over Rex and Instagram his groups that are just dedicated to him. So he's got he's got a big pool. Like there's something that there's something that obviously people.

Like about him. I've always thought that, A he's a strange character.

I enjoyed the show. I don't know the guy. I don't know if that's how he is off camera, but.

There is something dark about him.

There's something that seems yeah.

I mean, I know, he gets possessed and stuff like that a lot, and things like that that would take its toll, you know, if that's really happening all the time.

But there reads something about him it seems not quite right. I would say.

There's more than meats that I kind.

Of yeah, he gets out mysterious.

And you were saying that he has the Facebook pages dedicated to him, and it almost made me think the guy kind of has a cult following, Yeah, a culty the way that they follow him. Yeah, And so just jumping into my research. Ghost Adventures, of course, it's an American paranormal and reality TV series and it premiered in two thousand and eight on the Travel Channel and now

Yeah, do you remember that?

And there's been a big thing recently about it, isn't it. He's come out and said stuff Zach and the show.

He's come out.

I've been watching Ghost Adventures since before Zach got his teeth fixed and when Nick was still a cast member, and now he's trying to start his own paranormal investigation show. And he says Zach pretty much abused him on a daily basis and he was the most horrible, awful douche packer you could ever meet, which I'm sure there's a little bit of truth to that, but at the same time, you have to understand it. If you got kicked off

So he's gonna be He's gonna be a bit bitter for sure, right Yeah.

But so you probably didn't know this, but Ghost Adventures began as an independent film that was produced kind of like Blair Witch Project with Zach and he So he was a nerdy kid in high school and he wanted to do drama class in film school and acting classes, and he did this Ghosted a Ventures documentary. It was supposed to be like Blair Witch Project, but the real

Imagine if you.

Were to look in this wall right here, caught a hole right here, yeah, and then put a piece of plexiglass right here, and if you could see emotions, you would just see streams and pain and crying.

And torment, and it's just refberating throughout this whole building.

I mean, really, come the fuck on?

Yeah?

Is he It was coming towards me like a shark underwater, like come on.

So I don't know, Man, put some more into It's.

Just a little bit for me. He has this monotone kind of dramatic thing going on, but he takes everything to the next level. He can't just say we're investigating the abandoned orphanage. He's like tonight on Ghost Adventures, this is why we're here. We're gonna channel them, We're gonna say on some and he just makes you feel like it's larger than life. And that's cool if you're trying

Yeah, he's always got black on as well, and he always wearing black. He wears some quite cool hats sometimes, I think. But yeah, I was watching on the other day and he had like a cowboy hat and I was like, what's this.

Black cowboy?

Yeah, depends if he's low, if the location is in the Old West, toll wear a cowboy hat just for them. And then all of a sudden he's got like six pair of cowboy boots and he knows a thing or two about the Old West.

And so you do you do as you said, that is he is he possessed.

You do hear that there's some people actually want to be possessed and actually want to carry.

These bad spirits or whatever it is with.

Him, and you know some people invite that in which is crazy. But you do hear that he acts like.

He doesn't want it to happen, though, but gets mad if it doesn't happen. So he'll be like I don't want any attachments, get off me spirits. But then the second he walks in somewhere, if he doesn't feel like the energy is intense enough, he'll be like, all right, let's go get our Wiji boards out, and let's get our psychic mediums in here, and let's start opening portals

Something led me personally to this building. It's called out, and I answered, it's call. We're here at a building where so many different people have seen and heard spirits before their death when this was a care facility, because we were told by the owner that there was a seance here many years ago. We are going to do a seance.

They're not going to do anything more to me. Leave Michaelaudia want anything.

To do with you, you know what I mean.

Yeah, yeah, But as you say, that's that's why to show me so successful, because they get so many results. I guess however you get those results however, dog, it seems to me and you going into a situation like that, we don't want anything attached to with us, suddenly don't want anything like that. But that's what's going in the results, that's what's got in this platform, and you know.

This amount of fame and love. So I guess he's.

Just I think actually probably consumed him to some degree, and I think that plays a part in him probably being a dark occultist himself. Because we'll kind of get into some more stuff, but just for a little bit of background. He was born in April fifth, nineteen seventy seven, in Washington, DC, and he was raised in Illinois. He eventually moved to Las Vegas started Ghost Adventures, and it's

Yeah, for sure. It's one of those shows that it's literally on in the UK. It's on one channel, but you can find it is.

Always on some kind of a freaking marathon or something. Adventures TV all night, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And besides Ghost Adventures, he now has spin off shows. One of them was called Deadly Possessions and it premiered on Travel Channel and it was a show that followed him around finding items

Yeah. Yeah, that's weird, man, that's weird. Yeah.

So even crazier, he owns the quote unquote Propa Fi chair from Michael Jackson's death room.

That's weird.

Of all the people in the world, this fucking guy who's on a fucking Discovery Plus reality TV show owns doctor Kavorkian's murder van and the chair that Michael Jackson died in. Yeah, he's a gazillionaire. Let me tell you that straight up. Some of the stuff that he's been able to procure, he has to have millions.

Does he come do you know if he comes from a rich family.

No, that's the crazy thing. So he's literally raking in all this money off of this is pretty much getting possessed in doing seances and opening himself up to demonic energy all the time. And he's raking in cash handover fist and then he's turning around and buying all this

Yeah, yeah, it holds that energy and that negative Yeah for sure.

So are you familiar with what a depic boxes?

No?

What is that?

Okay? So it's from Jewish tradition and it's a little box that they would trap a demonic spirit into, or a demonic spirit of a person. So if it was a really super evil person and they wanted to lock their spirit away, they'd put it in a depic box. Or if it was a straight up demonic entity that they were trying to lock inside the box, this is

Wow Post Malone. Wow yeah, yeah, interesting.

So this guy has connections. First off, yeah, he didn't open the depic box with Post. But after Post went to the museum and requested that Zach open the Dipiic box, his plane malfunctioned and uh he had to do an emergency landing. In just like a week after the visit to the museum, he was in a horrible car crash. And this was this is Post Malone I'm talking about. So after the Post went and visited him, was let's open the dipic box and he was declined to open

Nah.

Nah.

These things are dangerous and yeah, for sure, and they're.

Deeped in old ancient traditions and I personally would never want to own it because when you pay for something and you own it and it's technically your possession, now, yeah, you claim ownership of that and whatever is attached to it.

Yeah, that's going to be connected to you, now, yeah for sure.

Ever, yeah, especially think of think of the Babylonian money magic system that we have all over the world, cash in exchange for goods or service, and it didn't used to be like that that Eventually, over time, this Babylonian money system was introduced to the world and so he's paying cash that he's gotten from going to these demon infested places for a demon box. I mean, it's legitimately a form of dark occultism. In my opinion, it's very ritualistic.

Yeah, for sure, that's mad that post alone after visiting had all that bad luck.

I don't really believe in coincidences anymore.

No, I don't either. I don't think it can be a coincidence. I was gonna say, I haven't even gotten to some of the craziest shit that he owns, but just knowing that so far, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, that's that's weird.

I mean, I personally wouldn't want to own anything that's got any connection to demons or anything like that. You know, I don't want it near me or in my house. I find it interesting. I can see why, I like, you would have a museum maybe with this stuff in. I sort of get that, But yeah, I wouldn't want to be connected to it myself. I mean, this guy, he's got demons coming out of his ears, so I guess he's sort of.

What I think too. He had I actually didn't put this in my notes, but he is currently in or was in a long term relationship with one of Hugh Hefner's playboy bunnies or whatever that he was married to Holly really mm hmm, yeah, So I mean.

What Hugh's ex wife.

Yeah, or one of his wives, one of his wives he's he's been in a long term relationship with her, and she's actually on an episode of Ghost Adventures because her house is so full of demons, if you can imagine.

I'm not surprised.

Wow, I'm all about getting freaky quote unquote, but not that kind of freaky because they're having threesomes in the third person. They're channeling his Okay, let's get into some

Okay, that's weird.

Now, now let me ask you, what the fuck does that have to do with paranormal anything? Or are we borderline crossing over now into just straight up demonic?

Yeah?

Yeah, that's strange. Is this stuff holding the museum as well?

Yes, on display? In some of this ship you can touch. He lets you touch shit. So is he inviting people into this and you also have to pay to get in there, so it's not like you're not consenting to whatever follows you out. Yes, but we're gonna get into that.

Yeah? That's just dark.

I need stuff, evil, evil, evil stuff but what else does he own. He also owns a pair of Ted Bundy's glasses, and he owns Sharon Tate's wedding dress. The Manson murder victim that was pregnant that got stabbed up, he owns her wedding dress. He also obtained multiple paintings and letters serial killer John Wayne Gacy creed while in prison, including a self portrait of Gaycy dressed as a clown. And he also purchased one of the last ever polaroids of Gaycy and his last pack of cigarettes before he

That's weird.

So right off the top, we got a serial killer, a pedophile who's painting Disney paintings in prison, and Zach wants to own all this. Yeah, it's not paranormal actually at all. It's just kind of like borderline mental illness kind of. And he's obsessed with Charles Manson because he actually bought the Loabianca murder House, and he bought it

Yeah?

I mean at this point, possibly he's possibly doing that stuff in there, but and I don't I'm.

Not even trying to jump to conclusions. But that has nothing to do with being a paranormal investigator other than oh, well they were murdered there, let's go investigate it. That's one thing. Owning it and owning every single possible object of Charles Manson that you can get your hands on. That's different. And what you do when the cameras are shut off, that's where you really find out who you're fucking with. Now, why does he want to own that house?

Yeah?

He just he's just really into this dark yes, dark shit man, big time.

In the money that he has. I legitimately, right before we jumped on here, I was hungry, so I fucking got a box of fried fucking fish at the gas station, and that was best gas station fish I have ever eaten. But still ten dollars for a box of gas station fucking fish. And this guy spending one point ninety eight million dollars on a house that is relatively obscure. Not a lot of people know about the house or that he owns it. He kind of kept that one under wraps.

Yeah, it's interesting because obviously Ghost Adventures is a massive show. It's got to be one of the biggest paranormal shows there is.

But you you wouldn't.

Think that the hosts and the owners of the show would be super super rich.

I don't know why. I don't know why, but.

I think that they would have been, honest to god, I thought that it was kind of a low production kind of reality.

It's quite cheap to make these shows. Really, they're not on that higher budget. I mean they are some just when they first show them. They normally on a big channel, but they get pushed down to the smaller channels. But obviously they're doing as you say, there's thirty odd seasons or whatever there is, so it does well, and.

I want to go over a few more things just kind of rapid fire here that he owns, and then I want to tell you about some of the craziest episodes for people, your listeners and my listeners to go check out to kind of sum everything up. But he

Rick.

What is different about Zach though? That may be keeping some shit at bay.

The next piece of audio evidence is extremely chilling and could explain why only I felt so deeply affected?

Okay, and then the final one, which it says begins or begins playing this day. It was none of us.

We didn't says when you guys.

I remember vaguely you guys saying something said my name.

I didn't know.

I don't recall hearing anything.

Yeah, and it doesn't sound like any of us.

Yes.

WHOA This troubling EVP with full vocal tone was captured on a digital recorder.

I'm just saying because.

There is no way if I knew something like that, even if I wanted a piece of that car, there is no way I would.

That's God. That's like saying, I'll give you this thing, this item that you've always wanted, a piece of James Dene's car that he crashed in. But I just want to let you know, anybody who's ever owned this has gotten a fucking murdered or died mysteriously or choked on a fucking ham sandwich or some type of mysterious death. But here you go. Take it to your house. I'm gonna take a pic with it, maybe like a self quick selfie. Oh look it's me next to the car

Way, no way. I wouldn't even want I wouldnt even want to touch it, to.

Be honest, I don't think I would touch it.

That bad energy energy. I'm a strong believer that energy sticks to stuff, and I would not.

I would not want to go anywhere near it's going to see you. I might have a selfie with it for the GRAM.

Yeah, just a quick selfie. Even if it was just in the background and you took a selfie and it was like ten feet away, you'd be like, always, yeah, I'm not going to.

Go near it, but is there? Yeah?

Right?

Are you familiar with Natalie Wood at all? She was kind of a famous actress in the sixties. She was actually in a movie with James Dean Rubble Without a Cause, and she died. I really want to cover this again in a separate conspiracy type episode, because Christopher Walking and her husband were out on this yacht with her and she missed seriously fell off the boat and drowned to death. But the circumstances in which she drowned in the autopsy report make no sense for what they're trying to see

That's so weird, so weird man.

And that's not the only celebrity that he has just

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that the family wouldn't want want that. You know, he's family members and stuff.

You probably bought them at some kind of a fucked up freaky auction or something and range man, just for the listeners mine and yours. In no way am I saying this dude worships the Devil or anything like that. I don't know him. I can't make that kind of a claim or a statement. But what I will say is he is obsessed with him.

He's definitely into some freaky shit for sure.

Yeah, I mean, what what would your natural thoughts be for someone who has a collection like this, who does what they do for a living, who has millions of dollars at this point, He's dedicated his life to it. So I'm not saying he worships the Devil, but he is obsessed with him.

Yeah. Yeah, And he seems to have made him a lot of money.

It has made him a lot of money, you know, but at what costs, because we see, don't know.

The Faustian bargain though, your soul in exchange for wealth and riches and fame. And again I'm not saying he sold his soul to the devil or anything like that, but if I'm just looking at the kind of shit that this guy is into and documented experiences that he's had on his show getting possessed, telling things to get out of his body. Every time he pulls out that ovulus whatever meter where the spirit can type in a word, it always says demon. They walk through the threshold of

The first thing of damon, they're just saying what they're saying, He's a demon. Yes, it's interesting, man.

And that's why I also think that guy that they kicked off the show, Nick, he went off and said all this ship about Zach being a terrible, awful human being. And it's not the first time that I've actually heard someone say that they met him and he was just an ignorant motherfucker, Like is so full of himself and he does love to hear himself speak. Yes, that doesn't surprise me.

That that guy that he had that he had the beef with, did he did he He claimed that he was Zach used to bullying and stuff, right, because that's that's what it was.

And you look at the way he does treat Aaron and Billy and Jay on the show. He'll go into the scariest part of the location, and he'll say, okay, Aaron, you go ahead and go off in there, and then he'll lock them in there and say that it's part of an experiment that he just wants to see if something will happen to them while they're alone. But he never goes anywhere by himself. He always has somebody with him.

Yeah, yeah, true, yeah, because the other guys, they like, they joke about and stuff. He's very serious, and he character on the show doesn't really I don't think. I don't know if you see him smile, I don't know if he smiles ever. He doesn't smile often.

But if he gets scared or trips or falls and it's nothing even remotely paranormal, he will turn it into something paranormal. One time they were walking around in the dark and he literally walked into a bench, flipped over the bench and landed on his back and he stood up. Everybody was laughing at him because it was a comical moment, but not him. He has to go I swear to god, you guys, I would have seen the bench, but I was staring at this black mass, like, come on, yeah,

Really, Yeah, I mean because they have to get This is the problem with some of the ghost shows. Obviously I love them, I love watching them, but they have to get they have to get something, they have to catch something, and that's sort of when you're watching it, you know that in the back of your mind, and that's that's sometimes a problem with these shows. But you know that they they're going to make something happen. Sometimes.

There was a show back in the day called ghost Hunters and it was a bunch of plumbers that kind of just did it on the side, and they would have whole episodes where they didn't really catch anything, and I think it was boring at times because you want it so bad for something to happen, or they catch an EVP or nothing would happen the whole episode, And in my opinion, maybe you should just scrap that episode because nothing fucking happened and you're having people watch it

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I've talked to people that have come across mediums and psychics and stuff like that. I've come across come across people that they say are possessed and that I don't want to be helped, but they know it, they know that they're possessed, and they're like, no, this is this is a part of me basically, And I'll find that really creepy.

But you know, is a situation that works.

With witches and occultists and people who practice the darker Colt. He openly works with them like they're part of his posse, which kind of also bothers me for some reason.

I quickly put the SLS camera down and grab my recorder to see if I can communicate with this entity.

What came through? What is your.

What connection do you have?

What name are you connected to?

Who brought you here?

M hm, he's.

As I ask this entity who it's connected to, it clearly says my full name.

But here's Zach.

We are all totally unprepared for what is about to be the most terrifying audio evidence. We have ever collected.

Your hair?

What?

Okay? Are you kidding? Or that never heard of what brought you here? I've never heard. I am never in my life never.

Good.

Well, that's not human at all.

And I do want to talk about some noteworthy episodes for the listeners to go back and watch if they

I'm not sure what's again?

The Ancient ram In?

I think I've heard of it.

I would freaking pay you to go to this place and freaking walk around and take a video for me.

Can I ask you a part of what's where is that?

It just say is in England. I don't know that for Americans, they've dumb stuff down, you know, they're just with in England and we're like everything so close together.

I mean, it is close, but it's not always that.

Close, right, No, No, I know what you're saying. You have to see if it's anywhere near you, because the activity that they got at this place was freaking wild. And so I did some research looking into this place, and it sits on a pagan burial ground and it was the site of numerous human sacrifices and murders.

We'll see card again. Sorry, I'm gonna go very quickly.

Yeah, the ancient ram in? Oh my god, what if it's like five minutes from your house.

I'm going now, dude.

If it was five minutes from your house, I'd be like, let's take this show on the road.

Your car.

The secret?

Is it the secret?

The ancient ancient rams in? Okay, let's go. Where is it? Here we go?

Is it a B and B? I bet you anything. It's a B and B.

The ancient menu. It's giving me the menu, but it's not anywhere is uh?

Can you do ancient rams ram in? Ancient What is it?

Now?

See? I'm fucked up? Okay, the ancient ram in near location?

Yeah?

Here we go. This is court. If it's near me? The bankers for our restaurant? Why's that telling me where it is? Man?

Oh my god, I bet you it's so freaking close you can go and get on it by bl above and have a breakfast.

I'm going to ride it in.

On my maps because that's ridiculous that Google's not telling me, right the ancient rams in here we go. How far is it away? It's one hour and fifty seven minutes from me.

Oh, you got to go.

Make it a day trip.

Yeah, let's go. So I'm pretty close to that. So that is so that isn't Where is that? It's near Wales. It's near Welles. So it's near Newport in Wales. It's near there. Yeah, one fifty seven minutes for me. I'm going, Oh, you have to make it.

A weekend trip and go get some breakfast. I bet they serve a five star breakfast along with you know, a few attachments, few attachments.

But.

Ease, I want to check that out for sure.

Theyately have found skeletons that were buried under the floorboards at this place.

Wow.

Wow. Man.

As someone like me who's very interested in investigating stuff like that, if I were you, i'd freaking go this weekend and just take your phone around. See if you see anything, take a little recorder, see if any disembodied voices show up, but no that it was great. That episode caught my attention for sure because they got some very serious activity there. And then season five, episode five, I think, was when they went to Lizzie Borden's house. She's the one you know, Lizzy Bordon took an ax.

No way, no way. I've never done a wage board.

I have never. I watched The Exorcist when I was in the sixth grade and never would have ever fucked with one after that.

Yeah, should you.

Think you're talking to Captain Howdy or whatever, but it's actually some serious dark energy.

It is now time for us to begin the summoning ceremony to see whether or not we can document hard concrete evidence while under these very suspicious circumstances, which also makes this dangerous for us.

That kind of leads me into this next episode, which is also season five, episode six, I think, which was the Winchester Mystery Mansion. And a lot of people are familiar with the Winchester House because it's a sprawling mansion with doors that go to nowhere, staircases that lead to ceilings. And I actually covered the Winchester Mystery House in a separate episode with someone who used to be a practitioner of the occult, I guess you would say, but is

Wow.

But what's again crazy about it is that when Zach and his team go to the Winchester Mystery House, they're actively trying to open portals. He's doing all these experiments to channel through and open gateways, and he literally said, let the dark entities come through. Let And he's standing there chanting all this in the middle of the living room, and the activity gets so crazy they actually shut down in the middle of the episode and it was like

I summons you. I don't know if that's a guy you.

He summons you in the name of your God.

Your gateway is in this pool, isn't it.

This is where you entered.

Here, all elementals, all rays of light, all portals and gateways and dimensions to the dark side.

Open your veils, now, open your doors. Now, what makes anything here?

Now so we can see you?

Care?

Can we back up for a second. This is a whole lot serious.

Hey, listen, I'm not comfortable with what he just says. He's down here opening the veils to help. Wow.

Man, Yeah, so they've also season eight. I think they went to the castle of Laddie Impaler and they did rituals in seances in Vlad the Impaler's castle in Romania. Wow, the last place on Earth. I want to see a motherfucker from the dead. He's in there.

I don't want to say that, man. No, no, Well.

Yeah, and they they did, Okay, I have it in my nose. They did what's called the Devil's Circle, freaking cat. I just can't.

I can't.

So Season fourteen, episode seven, they went to the Grand Canyon caverns, and I personally believe that the Grand Canyon is full of all type of ancient energies from not only Native Americans, but there's a lot of stories from the Hawala Pie people and the Hopee people that there were extraterrestrial beings believe that or not, or whatever you think that they are, that were misconstrued as extraterrestrials. There

Yeah, that's that's asking for.

Trouble, because when you take stuff like that that alters your mind, you can allow things to come in whether they were there or not, now they are because you've opened yourself up to it.

Yeah for sure.

Yeah, so that to me again is weird. And then they went episode fifteen or sorry, season fifteen, episode one, they went to the Black Dahlia Murder House. Are you familiar with the Black Dahlia?

Sure?

So she was a woman that was trying to make it as a Hollywood actress, but she was murdered brutally in I want to say the nineteen fifties or actually maybe the nineteen I'm wrong, it was actually the nineteen twenties. But she's one of the most infamous unsolved murder cases of all time because she was dissected into many pieces and there were parts of her body that were never really found, and they said that it would have had to have been a surgeon the way that she was dissected,

Wow.

And after the fuck shows up at George Hodell's house, like, how many people know about that? Yeah, Zath Fagan's fucking knows about it.

Wow.

Man.

And so they also episode fifteen or Sorry Again. Season fifteen, episode two, they went to a secret scientology lab that was the headquarters of l Ron Hubbard, and a lot of people are familiar with Elron Hubbard, and they were actually provoking evil entities within this scientology lab. Again, why

And over these last few years, I can't stop thinking about this location.

There's unfinished business.

So ladies and gentlemen, we are returning to the Winchester Mystery House.

Sarah Winchester designed this house with sacred geometry, and all these different angles are meant to connect with the astral plane of the spirits and victims that died from her family's rifles. There's more than secret passageways here. There's secret spiritual portals here.

You can feel them all right, Aaron, are right. This is weird here.

This is a mysterious place.

It's a very strange place, and it's a place where we decided to conduct one of the most insane experiments that we've ever come up with before.

Tonight, we're having some friends set up shop at the Washo Club. We're going to be communicating with He's our friend Chris, who's going to be a Bobby Mackie's Music World we're all going to be able to see each other at the same time through a satellite system. They are going to tell the spirits there to travel to the Mystery.

House here, and we thought it would be a good idea to create this man made portal. We had some things come through and enter the Winchester Mystery House. And I know the effects of what that experiment had on you after it.

Finished for a while, it's bad.

You know what happened to me. I felt an energy around me, and the energy triggered the malmeter, and I realized the next morning when I woke up that my grandmother died at that same exact.

Minute in the same fucking season.

Yeah.

And then in the same fucking season, they went to this place called Stardust Ranch.

You heard of that, you have?

Yeah, Oh my god. There's literally people getting straight up right by aliens. It's very nearby where Travis Walton, the Fire in the Sky guy, got objected. They captured lights in the sky that the guy who lived there had videos of little aliens behind him.

Yeah that was coming into his house. Yeah yeah, yeah. He claimed to have killed some.

Of them, Yes, he did with his sword, he said that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was coming because there was a he said, a pulled to in his house and they would just come in, you know, and yeah, think about that.

Yeah, that's crazy, not necessarily paranormal, but Zach somehow finds out about it and ends up there. And you can cross the line and say that extraterrestrial stuff and paranormal stuff overlap, because it's all supernatural. But he's always he always ends up at these you know, they show up for the interviews and the guys like, yeah, I killed six E T. Grays with my Samurai sword and I got a portal upened up in my bedroom and they

Yeah?

Yeah, and he's mad as well.

You said about the scientology, because that's that must be quite a difficult place to go and film something like that. So for him to get the permission to go there and do that, yeah, sort of power that he's got as well.

The Casa de Rosas compound has played a host to decades of torment and misery. Built in eighteen ninety three, the property has served as a World War Two military barracks, a homeless shelter, and as l ron Hubbard's incubator for the minister beginnings of Scientology. It's now a decomposing home to vermin, suspicious fires, and dangerous entities.

As I was walking in through the building very first time we just got here, I heard something.

In a corner over here.

In the nineteen fifties, l Ron Hubbard used the Casa de Rosas compound as a center of operations for Dianetics, the self help program that later became Scientology. We traveled to the home of Jeffrey Augustine, a member of Scientology who became disenchanted with the church. His wife, Karen Della Carrier, rose to the highest levels of the Scientology hierarchy. The church disputes her stated reasons for leaving.

In nineteen ninety she left Scientology Seawork because of the abuse.

Abuse.

Yeah, it's a culture of punishment and abuse.

Is it true that al Ron Hubbard practiced black magic, sex magic and dabbled with the occult?

I think the most insightful nature into the occult aspect of Scientology is from A. Ron hubberd Junior, because he was there with his father in the fifties. The basis of Scientology, which is rather hidden and covered over is the occult, the deep involvement with Satanic powers. You can see early on and Hubbard had the idea he had to isolate people small rooms. You could lock people in to interrogate them, crap spirits in rooms.

He's got cutnections. I bet they want him to come in there and start promoking some shit because they also went to I just think it's interesting because the last time you and I met, I told you about how I researched the Dominion House, which was the Masonic orphanage, and how there was a bunch of really the kids

Yeah, yeah, it was something weird. Yeah.

Yeah. He also went to this other place that's in Guthrie, Oklahoma, a few streets over from where I stayed at the Dominion House that was the headquarters for the Samaritan Foundation, which was another cult. Some people know her as the Barcode Lady. She thought that barcodes were demonic and she started this whole video series and got a bunch of people involved in her cold and and she ended up I think, killing her husband and she like it was.

Exactly like oh, getting possessed, Like really, yeah, man.

He went to serial killer Dorothea Pouinte's house. He went to all the underground tunnels in Astoria, Oregon, which were connected to the Shanghai tunnels, but they where the inspiration behind a lot of HP Lovecraft's work, and Zach is obsessed with HP Lovecraft, of course, and wanted to go into these underground tunnels. And he visited a place called the Westerfield House. It was a season twenty, episode twelve. It's in San Francisco and it was host to many

Y'all, Wow, this is the Westerfield House.

Built in eighteen eighty nine. The Westerfield House has played host to tsarist Russians, a hippie commune, and a Manson family murderer.

It is possible that the rituals and ceremonies that were being conducted in here by Kenneth Ager and Anton Leavey could have welcomed a entity from a very dark place. So it makes you wonder if the rituals that went down inside of this house were literally opening doors up to hell. Like I told you, there's some weird energy that wanted me to be here for this.

I don't know why, but now I'm here.

Wow.

So that.

No.

He he fucking facetimed Kenneth Anger in that episode and was just having a good old boys chat with him. He was like, so you worshiped the devil right? He's like, oh, yeah, the devil yeah. And he's like, so did you do rituals in this house? And Kenneth Aingers like, of course, yeah, we were they were all Crowley Eite followers and uh Anton Levey legitimately lived there and was practicing rituals, and of course Zach open door invitation, Come on in, Zach,

I didn't realize you know how deep it goes. I mean, this stuff is dangerous. You know, we know that paranormal stuff. It is super interesting. You know, we love talking about it, and we've experienced it. We both experienced it. But to invite, you know, and just surround yourself with evil, it's dangerous and it must it must have it would have an effect on anybody. Obviously, that show has done extremely well. People love it. I love it, you love it.

We love the show. But yeah, it's it's a dangerous game to play.

But it's not had like a toll on his mental state, and I think it kind of when he enters into one of these locations, he's kind of like a begon to this type. He's like the antennae that they can use the channel through or something. But have you ever considered doing a paranormal investment? Do you have any like tech or yeah, argulous or a spirit by.

I haven't done any of that yet.

I've been to lots of pointed places and had experiences and stuff, but I've never actually done a proper paranormal investigation. It's something i'd like to do. I wouldn't do Wigi balls.

And stuff like that.

I think that's not, you know, fair play. If you want to do it, it's not for me. I wouldn't touch a Wiji board. I find it interesting. I've talked to a lot of people that have had mad experiences with widgieballs.

So I wouldn't do stuff like that. But I would go to Low Cut.

I'm going to go to that pub and film and do a little video.

Yeah, so stuff like that i'd like to do. I will do that.

I was planning to do stuff like that, but yeah, to actually, I wouldn't invite any evil.

I won't want.

That, you know, I won't want tote no me either. Fucked that, because you remember when I was even telling you about my paranormal experiences. The thing that flabbergasted me the most is I wasn't welcoming that kind of energy in I never did anything to channel it or summon it or want it. And we had so many pictures of Jesus all over the house and it was just

Yeah, how old is he? I don't know.

It's almost fifty. Really an awfully youthful appearance, doesn't.

Yeah, yeah, see I would have I would have guessed, like forties.

Maybe he's like no, I mean, well he's forty nine.

Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah, I would have felt, Yeah, he looks younger than that, for sure.

He definitely looks. I mean, getting your teeth fixed does a hell of a hell thing. But even still dating a playboy bunny and you know, his youthful appearance is almost I mean, he could get botox. Let's not why. He probably gets botox, but still he looks rather young to be.

Sure.

Yeah, and all the other guys on the show look like fucking crushed out cigarette butts. They all just like they're so old and tired and decrepit having with them.

In rooms.

And but yeah, thank you for kind of humoring me with this topic though, because I felt like you would be really interested in that is as much as I am. Because there's a fine line between a conspiracy researcher and someone who likes both, and I think we like both, and so I wanted to kind of break that down with you. But before we wrap up, actually, if you could give the listeners your Instagram where they can go to contact you if they want to tell you their

Thank you very much for letting me come on and sharing this video. It's fascinating stuff. I'm probably going to see the show a little bit differently now next time I watch it, it's going to be the added you know, I didn't realize a lot of that, so it's very interesting. But we're let's get freaky on Instagram, TC, Let's get

And yeah, I'd love to.

Every paranormal experience is amazing, so I want to hear them all.

And I feel like you're not a judgmental guy. You just hear someone out. And I mean, I'm obviously if the person was on methan FEDA means you're not gonna air that episode. But if it's just fun, you know, if they got fucking scabs all over their face, let's yeah, make sure we we edit that one a little.

I want to get I want to get Zach Beggins on.

He's too good. Yes, he's like, oh what are you gonna do? Fucking have seventeen thousand listeners?

Fuck you?

But no, yeah, fun day.

I don't even know if I want to meet the motherfucker now.

I just know I'm no, would you go to that museum? Would you go down?

That is such an interesting question because I went to Vegas recently. My husband wanted to go because all of our friends were going, so we went on a friend trip or whatever, and there's so cool stuff to do there. It's not really my cup of tea. Because I took I was like, I'm going to take this one hundred dollars bill, and if I spend this one hundred dollar bill, that's it. I'm not gambling anymore. And what I did is I stuck the hundred dollar bill in this stupid

No way, two hundred dollars.

So imagine if me and my husband wanted to go for the extended tour whatever, like the VIP tour would have been four hundred dollars for us.

Yes, that's a lot of money for a museum.

I think it's a lesser price if you want to just like go real like in and out real quick or something. But if you want to experience the whole like shit, bigoty bang, it's two hundred dollars a ticket. So I couldn't even I would have rather spent an extra four hundred dollars fucking clicking my life away on the Buffalo game and then waste it in there and go home with the demon.

Yeah for sure. Wow, that's why he's so rich man about it.

Let's say, let's say get your calculator out right now. Let's say he has a thousand people a week at his museum at two hundred bucks a pop.

Let's see, so.

Twenty thousand dollars wow in a week.

Yeah, and he's probably getting a lot more than that.

I think he's probably getting a lot more than that, because that's not even being generous. I'm just saying, like a thousand people maybe visit. There's people who come from all over to go into the museum and shit, but Vegas is weird. It has a dark energy around it.

Was going and then the happened. That was it, and that's sort of let's stop the plans for that.

At the time, maybe it was meant to be. Yeah, and you're definitely gonna get the rony if you go to Vegas. You know, you're gonna get some ship that you can't take back. Want to go to Vegas? Anyways? Anyways, thank you so much for joining me for this episode. It was a pleasure working with you again. We'll have to plan something else for the future for all the listeners. So I would invite you to go check out Let's Get Freaky podcast. Tell Tommy your stories. He won't judge you,