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Your host double j Not the vice president host of Operation g c D with an Operation GCD Invasion of the Occult Rejects here with the follow ocult reject Julia from the Cosmic Peach podcast, and of course Neck the host of the Ocult Rejects.

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Thank you very much, thanks for having me. Guys.

Well this this conversation kind of grew over conversation we had last week right on the Ocult Rejects. I don't think it's quite dropped yet.

No, yeah, yeah, it's like a preview. Actually, I think it will drop next Wednesday or something like that.

I was, you know, let's say, let's go let's go ahead and tease that episode, because that's gonna be a good conversation for folks to check out as well. And if folks of the interwebs are not familiar with Tuesday Well this this name came up in a conversation last week about a cult Elvis Tuesday Well. When when Julia brought it up in the conversation and asked me if I new Tuesday Well, I simply replied, one of my favorite people in the entire universe because I love because

How you say, not because I'm pro Tuesday.

I'm definitely not for Tuesday.

Yeah, no, me either, me either. But she's somebody that I've actually I've mentioned several times in previous episodes. I actually the first time I talked about her on my

This is gonna be it Monday. Yeah, right, you had no idea Tuesday. Well, it was when this came up during that show, right, I mean, you know, I think Tuesday's done a great job of playing you know, laying beneath.

Flamelow, under the radar the public.

Right.

It was the only time I had ever really heard about her.

Is that.

I think, like one time Lisa for some reason, and she can't remember why, she was looking into somehow she was she was related to Joe Rogan. She had heard somewhere, So I'm like, yeah, like weird, like you know, who knows if it's true, But like that was the only time I really ever heard of Tuesday. Well, that had no idea who she really is.

Though, if that's true, I'm gonna ship my whole entire pants.

Well, I can't. I can't believe I haven't done Joe Rogan's family tree yet. That's it's shocking to me. As much Joe Rogan stuff as I've done.

It wouldn't surprise me. But you know, somebody that I've worked with a few times, I think Nick has two is uh Sean McCann. Yes, And he knew so much about Tuesday and and he and I talked about her together, and so I just want to give him a quick shout out because he dropped some stuff into my life about her that I didn't even know about that I

But well, man interject real quick, yeah, before we describe who is Tuesday, Will, how did you just like you're saying, Sean McCann has done podcasts on this too. Now, I haven't heard anyone talk about Tuesday well since Adam go rightly, Sirra two thousand and seven something.

Yeah, so Sean McCann's.

Conversation used to be with her, right, I'm not.

Sure when it dropped into his, you know, periphery for him to start looking into it. But I found her looking into Laurel Canyon because she is a big sixties counterculture person. And then I had mentioned her in passing to Sean and he was like, oh shit, you know, I know so much about her, and then we did

Could, right, she could have been bigger than all those stars, right.

Yes, yes, it seems like she fits that that archetype. Yeah, there she goes with Jack Nicholson. You'll see her hanging around. It's like she's everywhere and nowhere at the same time. You know, she's everywhere for those who know where she is, but nowhere to people that are familiar with sixties counterculture. When you look back on it, you're like, oh, like I said, Jane Mansfield, Marilyn Monroe, whoever, whoever was big during that time. She's sitting right here next to Jack Nicholson.

Girl right right? Right?

Yeah?

So I first this is when they get a movie together. I think this was nineteen seventy two. They did a film together, If I'm not mistaken, I don't. I don't remember which one it was.

I remember which one it was. I think I have it in my notes for later.

But it's been in Hollywood since she was a little girl, right, She was about what's seven years old, I believe.

When she started the Yeah, yeah, she was really really young. And I guess in order to understand why she's significant in what role she plays in this weird society of famous people, you kind of almost have to go back in time and look at her family, right, who are the Weld's, What where did she come from? Why is she's special?

You know?

Xyz? And it turns out actually that the Weld family is really really old family. They came over on the Mayflower type shit, you know, one of the very first families. They came to America in the sixteen hundreds from England, and the Weld family is actually an extended family of the Boston Brahmin family. The name Brahmin might sound familiar to people who are listening to this. Brahmin is kind of like one of those really old families that kind

Sure, and they started that all on a mound there in Jamaica plane called Nights at Hill.

Yeah, freaking mound builder weirdness, right.

So shentions to the Society of Cincinnati.

Well, she's related to the governor of Massachusetts, which was William Weld and if you go all the way back in time, right, the thirteen hundreds is the earliest recorded members of the Weld family. They're all like sheriffs in London. Some of them are knights, uh shit like that.

And then they started some old school Celtic stuff though, right, like the ancient king Zatara, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I think they were I don't know if it was in the thirteen hundreds or when they came over on the Mayflower, but they were Protestant. But after they got over here they sort of kind of like integrated their power into religiosity, and a lot of them converted to Catholicism and became like

The way back, there an administrator there that wasn't even just a member. He's like, I'm I'm not just a member, I'm the president, right.

Yeah, it's like sheriffs, knights, Jesuit priests, administrators for the Society of Jesus. You've got astronomers, Boston elite, the Brahmin family. I mean, the Welds are nuts. You got governors. They own most of Massachusetts.

Yeah, from there the infamous incident between Bill Weld and Whitey Bulger's brother the government. You point it out, so that is a cousin of hers. He also descends from Eliza Weld. So Eliza Weld was a colonel in the Revolution. They're on the Weld Mound there in Jamaica Plains. In fact that the weld manor there on Weld Hill served as an operations headquarters for the Massachusetts contingent of the Revolution.

Center right there, founding fathers and stuff like.

The damn near like yeah, close to it. Within the leubled Down.

Wow.

Because as far as mass She's is concerned, I mean, they're they were a major again, as you pointed out that they were the religious heads with a starting Harvard because that started as a religious school, and then they were the military heads because they weren't generals, but you know, they're the ones that ran their house was run, you know, they run everything out of their house, you know, and

Well, of course, it goes all the way back to ancient history, doesn't it, with the mound builders and all of that.

Well, I mean even within that family, probably even you know, maybe even a different track, because I believe those ancient kings of Tar or they claimed to be descended from, they used to be crowned on a mound over there right the hill.

Yeah, and wasn't like Jembel Island supposed to be there was something built on a mound or am I making it up?

Okay? The Rockefellers another society family out of society, Cincinnati family out of New York, the New York chapter they owned, they owned the uh, the Indian Mound Cottage down there where the secret meetings were held for the rituals.

That's what I thought. That's what I thought.

Well, just form of the magic that we call the Federal Reserve. It's definitely it's always mound stuff with these people. And that's what I'm saying, like I was gonna call it the hillcam War, but I'm like, no, no, that I'm thinking in my head, that's that's Mormon stuff. That's Mormon stuff. The Hill, the Hill Tara is the is the Ancient is a place over there in Ireland where they the old ancient kings of ancient Celtic kings used

That's so nuts to me because it's like they have little pockets everywhere. It's not just in America obviously, because there's members of the family like Sir Frank Weld he was the Prime Minister of New Zealand and also the Governor of Western Australia. And then like Thomas Weld, he was one of the ones who helped create Harvard and he was a personal friend of King George the Third.

Typical, they're very Anglo focused family. They seem to be still to this day, and they're having this Anglo American influence, you know, this this British influence on America. And speaking of that, speaking of that, back to Bill Weld, right, Wright took us off on the standard of there, Julia. So Bill Weld was the governor, as you pointed out, Tuesday's cousin, and Whitey Bulger's brother was the President of

There, figure right, you have to somebody on both sides exactly, And.

Well they're running the same operations, just from different roubles. So Bill Weld and Bill Bolger getting an infamous dispute.

Well, and they're also responsible for like setting up major trade routes and stuff. And like so William Gordon Weld founded some kind of fleet of trading vessels which did opium trade to China. That I mean, this is the Weld fan This is what they're known for. I mean, and so and so William Gordon Weld's son taught William

So this is.

Right, right, kind of like a like a Roth's child for America. Yeah, because everybody goes to like more overtly what's that I said? I think everybody fixates on like Rockefeller and like names like that. But the Weld family is should be mentioned when those things come up, for sure, and my and.

My and my perspective, they're one of the same. They're both the Society Cincinnati families. But you know, in regard to the Welds, they seem more overtly involved in witchcraft throughout their history.

Mm hmmm.

I'm not saying the other ones are, and I'm just saying they seem to brag about it. And I'm not even talking about this time Tuesday Weld we're a witch's hat to an interview to the fact, Yeah, her a witch in the seventies.

You know where she did that interview? It was the Chateau Marmont in California, where, like I'm pretty sure that's where John Belu she died and like Anton Levey used to hang out and it's supposedly haunted by all the ghosts of all the dead celebrities. Passed through that she did that interview there, and I'm pretty sure she's she's made fun in the public eye of like I'm a witch and I have a high pedigree from this this elite family. What you gonna do about it? Like she's said stuff like that.

I mean pretty much, She's got a lot of connections to the Hotel Marmont there, so well, Jack's Jack's one of his best friends in life. Mister Bob Cocaine Evans his producer buddy for the film Godfather. Al Ruddy is Al Ruddy's wife owned that's Chateau Marmont Hotel mm HM back in the sixties and early seventies.

It's just so crazy because it's like I said, she's she's like the Babylon girl, but she's not because she's everywhere and nowhere and like a ghost. She's like a ghost in Hollywood, like she pops up everywhere. Everyone knows her.

But she's not a household like Maryland, right, She's not a house or even Jane Mansfield exactly.

Yes, So getting kind of more into her now that we know about like her family and shit. She was born on August twenty seventh, nineteen forty three, and it's based on the research I've done. Like in these elite cults, people like Tuesday are chosen at a very early age to carry out whatever it is that they have for them, and I do think that she was chosen relatively. I think seven, as you said earlier, is probably when they started noticing, because they said that she had abundant psychic

Of thing, oh for sure. And I think that was her role though, is what all you're describing. This is all very well organized because this is one of her first major acting She was in other things starting very young. I think her first acting role was Ege seven. I think she was sixteen here in this TV show called The Familiar with this one Julia the Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.

I came across that one. Yeah, I've never watched it, obviously.

But oh strangely enough I watched as long before I really understood and knew who Tuesday World was really was. It was a popular show in my household growing up.

Well I actually, so you know, like when somebody's getting started, they'll be in like some shit stuff before they like really hit the big time and like get like a right all right, not Tuesday So no, no, And this show shows it right here.

So the synopsis of the show is the end of the innocence of the nineteen fifties before the oncoming nineteen sixties revolution that.

Was played a huge part of in real life role.

Yeah, yes, that's that's what this show that was the show like that that was kind of the start of her revolution of the sixties, right where she's kind of this puppet master the six It starts in nineteen fifty nine when she's sixteen, what's sixteen years old? And this TV show that the TV shows about the end of the fifties and the you know, this new era of get out with the beat next and in with these you know, the kind of this new hippie kind of scene.

Almost she played a huge role in the inspiration behind a lot of music and culture too. But like I have, so, let's say she she's developing these psychic abilities around like age seven, and then she began a modeling career at age twelve, and she landed her film debut at age twelve in a freaking Alfred Hitchcock movie.

There you go.

So it's like she skipped all of the like, oh, I gotta try to get roles and stuff. It was like born psychic twelve years old, she's a model, and she's in an Alfred Hitchcock movie and literally nobody knows about her. It's like she didn't even have to try. They just like threw her in and was like, hey, Alfred Hitchcock, here you go, bitch, Like how many people would have died to be in an Alfred Hitchcock movie. You know, he was huge back then.

And this is actually you think it's just because of her family, right, her family's running Hollywood. You can answer, oh, one hundred and.

A lesser known thing about her as well is she was Stanley Kubrick's first pick for Lolita, right wow, right, you know the infamous pedophile movie.

So when I say her family, I mean like the cold family, right, like the family of which the Welds are obviously a big part of and included in, but they're not the only family in there, right.

I love this picture of her in Elvis because you know, I brought it up before. I was like, oh, did Elvis know Tuesday Weld or do you know that Elvis knew Tuesday Weld? And it's like, oh, no, I don't even know who that is. Well, he sure got a tender love and care for her right there.

Yea, I have about this picture.

Where he was sneaking a little smooch from Tuesday.

Who is that? That's mister Steve McQueen. He's part of the family, oh one hundred.

He's got a nice little hug for her too.

Yeah, he's as a cousin of mine. I'm McQueen, he really yeah, yeah, My second great grandmother is a McQueen, so I think he's somewhere in my fifth cousin. Anyway, this is nineteen sixty nine, right, because when this photo was taken, and so yeah, he steals Bob Evans old cocaine Bob Evans wife. The next year, Steven Queen does when I say steal, I think all these people are involved in the sex calt right, So like, oh, yeah, you know, he runs he runs off with cocaine Bob's wife.

Well and during the time. Oh, I don't know how old she was.

No, No, the A Team he was the he was the star of the television show.

Now Team No.

I thought you said she.

I don't know.

Yeah, Carnival Hannibal Smith. I'm too big of an eighteen fan, I guess. But anyone in the eighties, you know, remembers this dude from that they don't remember from breakfast at Tiffany's, you know what I mean.

No, Well, it seems like to me everybody had a bit of a crush on her. I think Elvis was still married to Priscilla when he was in a romantic relationship with Tuesday, So that was all kind of like hush hudh and like swept under the rug because those two were in a movie together, which I will get to in a minute. But JJ, have you heard of a movie she was in called Lord Love a Duck.

I was gonna bring that movie up to sure, Yeah, that's exactly like that Adobie Gillis show. It's a it's spawning this revolution that she's in charge of it, and we'll kind of bragging about it more or less.

But right, so, like it's basically like this demon that grants you wishes, right, and she just wants fame and she wants whatever.

But anyways, but she's like a cold hypriestess in that right Barbara Ann Right?

Yeah, she she plays Barbara and nicknamed Barbie.

Right.

Yeah. But they see allegedly sanging on the Beach Boys song Barbara Ann as a tribute to this movie that came out at the same time as this movie.

That's what I was gonna say.

So she's talking about the process.

The Beach Boys were were infatuated with her, and that's where Barbara Ann came from, was this Lord Love a Duck because they were they were infatuated with Tuesday And it's to me, it's signaling again like she's the Barbie right. And I kind of talked to Nick before about like where the Barbie origins came from. And they're pretty.

Sister, you know, you're saying, like the Barbie doll is like some sort of like idol of some regard, is right.

The very first, the very first Barbie doll that ever came out was was a sex toyikes.

Yes, it was definitely. It was definitely sold sexually, yes.

And it had nipples and it had a vagina, and all they did literally to market it to children was removed the nipples in the vagina. It was the same dress, it was the same face, it was the same hair, it was everything was the same. And when the guy took this sex doll just removed the anatomy parts. He took it to like a kid's convention thing to sell it, and parents were like, what are you doing with it? Like they were creeped out by it. But now it's

Yeah, they got a new evolution. I mean, I like how you're describing this, because that's how I look at the new evolution of this stuff, the American something American dolls or American girls or something.

Oh yeah, American girl dolls.

It's that's that's Barbie, even to the next level of evolution of this kind of psyoptom floor you're describing.

Yes, yes, but so I think it's interesting that she's like Barbara Ann in this movie and the Beach Boys write this song. She's Barbie. She's blonde hair, she's blue eyes, she's got like the perfect body, literally everything. She is the epitome of.

Just supposedly stings on that too, as shows she's allegedly she's a backup singer in the song Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys. Again, as you point out, their obsession with her makes sense. Their their music producers, mister Phil Spector, the process guy, you know, the wall of sound guy, you know, the wrecking crew guy. Oh there, and then you know, so the beach wasn't surrounded by that. You know, you got you got what's his name, Brian Wilson, you know,

And you know Dennis Wilson, He's got to be Dennis Wilson.

My apologies.

Oh, I was gonna say he's the one that had a big heart on for Manson, had him living in his house and ship.

Right, and they're all friends with I always missed this dude's name up. He's a music producer. He wrote the song Cocomo with the Wilson Boys, you know, for the Scientology Tom Cruise classic film in the eighties. Cocktail's the song written for that. He's he was, He was Charlie's a cell mate at Terminal Island.

Phil, I don't know. That's a very familiar.

Music producer friend of the Beach Boys. Obviously did did produce some Beach Boys stuff along with writing with the Beach Boys and Cocomo. Yeah, I might have got Terry Melcher mashed up with Phil Coffin, but they're both in the same mix with the Beach Boys, right, these people around Manson.

The guy, Yeah, I was gonna say. Phil Kaufman is definitely mentioned in uh Dave McGowan's work.

Yeah, that's why I first learned about him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I know about him at least.

And he was everywhere in the music scene. But yeah, he served. He was there in Terminal Island there with Chuck.

That's so wild, dude. You know something else about her? I think, if I'm not mistaken, she was like fifteen in Lord Love a Duck.

And she sounds about right so old way. She was born in what forty three? Uh huh, yeah, I think she was probably like twenty then maybe, oh, she was twenty three, twenty probably twenty two.

So this must be a quote from a different movie, because I said, I have in my notes one of the male actors she worked with on one of these movies. I guess it wasn't this one. A quote from him was Tuesday is fifteen going on twenty seven. He said that, So it was like, I don't know, they all had like an infatuation with her even when she was young. Yeng like she started when she was twelve, got the

Okay, who said that? Do you have a source? Floma just said danny K.

Always said did you find it?

That's why when I searched the quote, that's what it came up with, Danny K. But I don't know this actor though. Do you know him?

No?

The article that I pulled it from, said a co A co male actor she worked with, referred to her as quote, Tuesday is fifteen going on twenty seven.

It's this dude, Danny. I don't know this guy's work, but he was much older dude than Tuesday. But he's buried in Westchester, KY of New York. There, Nick, Well, Hella definitely look west Chester specifically, right, So is he like.

A big wig guy or I don't know?

Says He says he was an actor, comedian, singer, and dancer.

She also knew Bing Crosby too.

Oh maybe they were all in White Christmas together.

Yeah, maybe I didn't know her to be in White Christmas?

Is she in that?

No?

I'm just saying I know that's a being Crosby Danny K, and I recognized That's the only thing I recognized that Danny K from.

Okay, Yeah, it is with Bing Crosbie. I mean she knows everybody, dude, literally she does, doesn't she Because this dude is a way older actor than she is. Yeah, and apparently he was fantasizing about her being twenty seven.

Okay, yeah, she was sixteen and that she was sixteen. They did a film called Five Pennies Together in nineteen fifty nine, so she was five right around the same time she did that Dobie Guilli stuff she was.

Later on after this stuff, she was in some thing called seventy seven Sunset Strip, which also stood out. Yeah. I think it was a show called seventy seven Sunset Strip and it was another like weird Laurel Canyony weirdness. But you know seventy seven, You're right, seventy seven like the OZ, the Magician's number whatever, and maybe seventy seven.

Yeah, well sevens and stuff. Yeah, I do you find that interesting?

I was gonna say, I don't. I don't know what the meetings are, man, it seems creepy that they would name it that, right whatever, The seven seven's got to mean something.

Right, and it's sunset strip, right, like where all the Laurel canyons. Shit's going down and it's.

Not yet there, right, not yet because this is from fifty eight to sixty four pop off until sixty four.

Right, was it?

I thought it was a little bit earlier than that. I could no, I believe.

I believe the birds first album was maybe late sixty three with all that Dylan music. This is beat up police is the uh is the Proto Manson guy in Laurel Kenyon? I know. I think that's around sixty three or sixty four.

Yeah, so was Sunset Strip this seventy seven Sunset Strip? Was that Veto's time?

He would have been hanging out in that at the time yet, because.

He was like the granddaddy of the whole movement, right, yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

So this is a series and her episode was called Secret Island or something like that.

Okay, but she so after being really creepy show, Julie, I've never paid attention to this. I have an ex active and former WW two WW two World War two Office of Strategic Service is secret agent, right, That's that's the main character, is an OSS guy.

This is where I mentioned this stuff because after she's in this show, she's in a movie with Dick Clark. That's called sex Kittens go to College.

I'm familiar with that.

She went from seventy seven Sunset strip to sex Kittens go to College. It's like they pointed out.

There for you, you know, quite a career trajectory, right.

Sex kittens go to college?

Like what?

Oh, I think we skipped over this when chronologically she was in uh oh yeah, Rock with a convicted child child sex offender Chuck Berry.

Damn oh yes, Chuck Berry. Yeah.

I'm not sure if he was convicted yet. He was getting popped right around this time though, for the violations of the main act.

Well was it before or after this Wild in the Country with Elvis came out and that's when they developed their little romance.

Yeah, I don't know because I'm trying to remember when Chuckburry because the music, the music record studio company folks literally brokeer Chuck Berry's release from prison, like they want the Feds want to keep him in there for like a long time. They're like, look, this dude's going to make us a lot of money. You know, we got to get him out of there, you know. So he didn't give what he did about soon and a half. I think he was out by nineteen sixty, but it

Well, I was going to say too. In that Elvis movie, she was the Wild in the Country. I don't know if it was before or after this, she played an incest victim. Oh man with Elvis. H with Elvis.

Yeah, that was sixty one, I think h think that was sixty one. So yeah. The Sex Kittens Go to College was nineteen sixty with Dick Clark. Yeah, the Reva like what goes on right? Like you got Brookshields as an eleven year old what in like nineteen seventy eight, you know, naked in a film as a child prostitute. You got other you know, obviously Tuesdays of Age here, right, Well she's barely of age. She's probably seventeen actually in sixteen when she filmed this, right when I was young.

Yeah, she'sty three.

Yeah, a little questionable, right, having having a child in a film called sex Kittens. Got to call.

College and it's like, look at the cover. It's it's your archetypes, right, you got Tuesdays, the blonde with blue eyes, and you got a redhead with a green shirt on, and then you have the brunette with like this red polka dot thing. It's it's the Neapolitan sex kitten for you, I know.

So that's what your Marilyn Monroe on top?

Oh isn't that two day on top?

I thought this was Tuesday?

Which one?

The redheaded middle one? The middle one? Yeah?

Oh, I can barely see it because it's so small, But I just assumed it's not.

It's not Marilyn Monroe. But I mean, are they trying to aim for Marilyn Monroe? Bit it's Mami von Dorian.

Ooh, another blonde hair, blue eyed.

Yeah. Oh, she's one of the three m's. Okay, along with Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield. Okay, I don't know this lady.

I don't know her either, Mammy Maymi.

Yeah, Mamie Van Dorton.

I'm sure if you looked into her, she falls right in the same category with all the other archetypes.

Right, I mean you got Mansfield and uh and uh Marilyn Monroe, who, like Tuesday Welder dedicated to the Satanic Bible, right, yes, but.

You know.

Tuesday and Maryland were up for the same parts very often, and they would go with Maryland as opposed to Tuesday. And it's like, why is that because Marylyn is lacking the pedigree that Tuesday has And why did Tuesday never blow up and become like a megastar the way that these women did. And this is how I would explain it.

And is that I mean, I agree with you there, Julia on how they how they burn them ounta and is it's a very intentional thing. I think as well. But she but to be honest with me, here's her life that all that charmed. She married Dudley Moore, She had a child with Dudley Moore, that little strange, little hobbit looking fellow. You know what I'm talking about, Martha. Yeah, Well, when I I watch charnfe Be, I don't know, but I watched He's gotta be a wizard, right. I've always

I mean, she when she's she's been interviewed and I've watched them and she kind of like it was like, all right, I'm just gonna be a stay at home mom. And just drink wine all day and you know, sit around and basically she's just living the life of luxury. I don't know for her husband's a weirdo or not, but she she got a lot better outcome than Jane Mansfield and Maryland, I'll tell you that much.

But I guess that's that's a good comparison. Although though I think Homegirl won the won the competition, they're miss h what was her name, Donna von Dene or whatever, And what was this lady's name again? Maybe maybe yeah, Maymie von Dene or something.

Yeah, something like that. I feel like, oh, well, maybe she's maybe she's another day.

Yeah.

But it's like these other actresses are like expendable. They're like a dime a dozen. You can create many Marilyn Monroe's and they've done it throughout time with like Madonna and Britney Spears and Kasha and it's like Lady Gaga, you can create as many as you want of this archetype of the blonde, blue eyed you know, priestess of like the upper echelon of women, because they've done it multiple times, like I said, throughout time. But why is

Like it's like when you join the mafia or whatever, you're going to get in so hard unless you're part of the actual family, right, So like you know, so I kind of view these side characters right, like they're not quite part of the family, but yeah, they're they're like they're a lower echelon of the system.

Yes, they're initiates into something that Tuesday's family built exactly. That's why she doesn't get burnt out and suicided or drug overdosed or car accident or like used up and burnt out. She's like, I'll get into it in a second. But it's like she's.

Little man though, right, we still see it's inconclusive.

Let me see him. I just want to see you.

Nick's gotta put Nick put a picture of the on this little villa.

Oh god, he's hideous, right.

No, if you're watch him in like author, he'd be like which I'm sure is really his personality, but you would be like, what the fuck?

He must he must be a bloodliner, right, got a lot of money, he has to be. He has to be because it's like, you don't get that high a pedigree of a Tuesday Weld unless you're a bloodliner, because they want.

I think we thought that right. It's something weird, right.

Yeah, because it's not like somebody with Tuesday Weld whoesdated Elvis is gonna end up marrying this guy in pro creating unless he's a bloodliner. She probably has a boyfriend who's side.

She was married to George for part. Have you seen the a teen carnival Hannibal Smith. I mean she went from Hannibal Smith to this guy.

That's why, that's why it's got to be on purpose, because whatever genetics have together is going to make the next you know, Tuesday.

That makes as much sense as Jackson wedding.

But you know, think of the obsession that she had around her for her to end up with this guy, right because the Beatles sang about her, the Stones sang about her. That Beach Boys song is about her. She literally could have picked anybody she wanted. Elvis had a big crush on her, and she is said to be part of the influence behind the changes of the Beatles being like Bubblegummy to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. They say, like Tuesday somehow played a role in that transition.

Sure, well, you'll see that in that Lord Love a Duck movie right in the very beginning of it, Roddy McDowell, the greaser guys getting beat up by the hippie guy right on the beach, and Tuesday, well, it's kind of like, you know, cheering it on there. So she's she has heard cheering on this movement of revolution of the sixties where they're inserting this this hippie dum and you know,

And the song that the Stones wrote about her, Ruby Tuesday that everybody knows, and they probably thought that it was the day of the week or something, right, Ruby Tuesday. But it actually inspired me to look into a little bit further why they would have used that terminology. Have you ever read Fritz Springmeyer, you guys either one.

Heard of thirteen blood Lines of the Illuminati.

Yeah, something like that. I think he also has another one where he so in Fritz Springtire's work, he he talks about there's levels and there's like a rank system in the darker cult. I don't know if it's specifically for SRA victims, but definitely for like programmed multiples, right, And there's like this rank system, and they're all different types of gemstones. And so the diamond is like the presidential model whore, and the emerald is like psychic stuff.

So you're saying, like a ranking of her ranking within the system.

Yeah, because she's the ruby is like one of the most precious of the gymstones and the ruby is red for the blood. It's like the Royal blood, the High Priestess Ruby Tuesday. Because you would think it would be a diamond, right, but look what happened to Maryland. Diamonds are literally worthless in the end. Rubies are way more precious. And you know, it's like, if you look, you'll see these weird gymstones pop up with a lot of these libs.

It sounds a I like the rest of the processor, doesn't it Like Bob Cocaine Evans and John Fellows from the Mamas and the Papas, these people skirting off on getting drug trafficking charges.

Right, It's like there is if you go back in the Crosby, Oh Ruby Slippers, I love that they mentioned that because it's the the movie The Wizard of Oz. I've covered it before. It's very occulted, and it's got so many mentions to magic in there. You've got the ruby slippers for Dorothy.

Oh one thing I do, Crosby and real quick too. About the ruby. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I could see it being almost a symbol of alchemy. Most of the time. People probably don't know this, and I heard this from somebody else, so it wasn't like, you know, I figured this out on my own. Most rubies, you would find that it would look like a stone until you apply heat to it, and then it turns into what you would normally see

Well, they say that because Tuesday started developing psychic abilities when she was really young, and clairvoyant abilities, that they almost had to like not blood her in, but they had to traumatize her in a way that would amplify I guess, her abilities. So that also goes along with the ruby. It's like they had a heater up a little bit to turn her into what she became, and

Oh, they're the New York chapter of the Society. He's a he's a Van Cortland shooler, I believe, right.

Yeah, Well, you know that song that the li'le sang that song, and it's like Tuesdays on the Phone to me, they say in this song. Yes, they say Tuesdays on the phone to me. If you go back and you find out what that story is, Tuesday was calling them from David Crosby's house. Oh so it's like when you look at these guys, it's like, of course they hang out.

Oh for sure. There's lots of other songs too. Right, I mean just besides the Beatles in the in the you know, in the stones. But what do you think, So what do you think this wasn't her as far as you know, protecting or staying out of the limelight, Like do you think that was her decision? Like she She's quoted in seventy one in the New York Times saying like, for example, she didn't take the role for Rosemary's Baby, right, she declined the role. So do you

I don't well, I don't think she's making any of her own decisions because she's been like kind of guided since she was aged twelve with Alfred Hitchcock and stuff. But right, right, this is what I'll say, because the dedication in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible is like everyone would know who that is, who Tuesday is if they saw that, right,

That's from popular witchcraft, straight from the witch's mouth, an interview with High Priest Anton Lavay. You found it nineteen seventy two, and this is a says two thousand and five. That's a reprint.

There you go right there. He literally says, you know, Tuesday will never be big, she will never be in the spotlight because she's so smart and she's serving this greater purpose. And the greater purpose has nothing to do with how famous she is.

Yeah, and in comparison to Mansfield and Monroe, he says, well, Tuesday's part of the rituals, right.

Yeah, like Tuesdays like the upper echelon where like all these other bitches are like fodder for the Candon, right, Like it's just, you know, throw another Jane Mansfield out there, let's get Marilyn Monroe fucked up. And you know it's just I don't know. She this this whole thing about her being involved in rituals and like obviously the Anton LaVey stuff, and she never did make it big, but yet she knows everyone and is traveling with the circles.

And Bob Hope, Steve McQueen, Elvis Presley, James Kahn, you know, Al Pacino, a lot of crowd of cocaine Bob's friends, a lot of cocaine Bob's friends, Robert de Niro, you know these are all her co stars and films, right.

Yeah, And I guess she's known to show up so like some of these Hollywood events with like two giant white wolves with her.

And stuff like that.

Yeah, it's like, oh Tuesdays here and she's got these two big giant white wolves at both of her sides, and it's like, Okay, here comes the priestess, here comes the Biggie, the big Witch, and everybody like Revere's her. Oh Tuesday with the White Wolves and shit, you know, she's she's a force to be reckoned with.

That's pretty wild. Yeah, I know.

But the thing is, it's like I said before, she knows everyone. She was in Hollywood for a little bit, but not to the point where she got burnt out and thrown away like some of the bigger ones. She's definitely part of the counterculture scene. She's got songs written

Am exactly, exactly. Yeah, she's easily the most influential person in the entire scene music, movies, you know, the whole social aspect of it. And according to some folks. I so when I asked earlier, how you summer across Well, whenever I do find people that have interested themselves in the life of Tuesday Weld and I'm just trying to

That's that's like oddly specific for it now to stay welled, like literally, why would ever?

No one knows exactly, no one knows he is right. So this dude has this whole story go rightly. I believe his sense concluded after years later that he's he's he's kind of just moved away from this, this whole narrative and stuff. You don't think he has anybody my understanding, He no longer has any buying into it. But you know what a Discordian thing to do if you ask me, mm hmmm, Like the chief Discordian.

Well and the fact that she's still alive and could dispute that if she found out about it.

But yeah, she's ever commented, right, I don't think she ever comment.

Well, maybe this dude was.

Allegedly spying on this network of this Tuesday Wells underlings in the eighties out of San Jose and then would later describe these activities to Adam Go rightly relative to this Charles Manson cult. So, according to this dude, Tuesday Well was calling all the shots in the Manson murder like she was at that level of the situation. Yeah, that's that's his dude's statements, Jeff Turner statements. Now again, I will offer this disclaimer. Jeff Turner, they made him.

Why Tiffany.

He's got a whole separate story where Tiffany runs a different faction opposite Tuesday.

Oh odd, stop it, stop it.

Her Tiffany's assistant. And again, I'm not trying to discredit the guy's story because again, some of the stuff cond of checks out over the years. Right, this is something he said back in like two thousand and seven. Tiffany's assistant in that opposing faction to Tuesday World was Alyssa Milano. Think about how many occult films Alyssa Milana has done. Think about how much weird political stuff she's inserted herself into in recent years. Oh my god.

And all these people are still alive and could very easily like dispute these things, and they're not saying a peep.

Yeah, So these filmmakers turned Jeff Turner into complete looney to him, I putting him into a film about stalkers of Tiffany. Right well, he was clearly a stalker of Tiffany. He wasn't so much a fan of her music. He was part he was trying to he had some whole thing where he's obsessed with this whole he's familiar with this whole cult network, right, you know what I mean. So, but they really framed it in I think a very weird light with these filmmakers and this this documentary. So

Well, listen, it's just funny you say this because somebody who came up before we started recording. I guess I'll just sut it out there since Tiffany came up.

But I haven't heard that name in a while, righty, Right, Well, So.

My brother is a musician and he has the same manager as Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails, and he has been able to meet Marilyn Manson and Tiffany and some of these bigger people and huh, yeah, he hung out with Tiffany, but no, so he's he's like asked Marilyn Manson like questions and he calls him Brian and ship and like apparently, uh, I don't know his last name. My brother always just says Brian, but he I guess Brian told him this story about like Hunter S. Thompson

Yeah, what you're describing to me is more details confirming the tales of Jeff Turner.

That's why I brought it up, is because I had never heard Tiffany ever besides my brother say that those two were connected.

Was cool with him too?

With Thompson, No, with uh Marylyn, Yeah, oh I did not know that.

Ye.

Well, Hunter Thompson makes sense to me. He strikes me as an og processed guy like his connections with depth, their friendship over the years, and were Manson for that matter makes sense because Hunter S. Thompson was doing security at the Eslam Institute when they were constructing the place. He was, Yeah, he was living, he was living on the grounds. He chasing people off with his forty five.

Dude, there's so much stuff about him. You ever heard that he like fucked his cat and stuff like that.

Not shocked, not shocked?

Yeah, well, you know the reason I bring it up to is because like Marilyn Manson, right, it's Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson yeah together right, and those are two people we just got done talking about. And so he's traveling in these circles with I guess process people like Tiffany, right, and somehow Tuesday Weld is in there too, Like, dude, that blows my mind that she even came up. And I literally you have never told that story to anybody before.

That's awesome.

The electronic music stuff she was, that mall pop singer. I'm just wondering if the style of music was even processed church people, because remember they were big into the ship. Doesn't always have to sound like industrial, you know what I'm saying, if you're digital.

That eighties kind of electrical rock, right or whatever, like you never didn't have a band or whatever. She just sang with some music, right, Yeah.

I mean, you know, I'm sure you know a Tiffany song, Nick.

Yeah, I know, I know for sure.

I just can't think of it.

I was going to say everybody, everybody knows, like I think we're alone now. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm just trying to remember the actual music if it was like digital, like you know, it was electronic or was it like actual instrument It was like, I can't remember.

Everything else that came out sound. Yeah, I mean, how do you even describe as like electronic kind of weird sounding? Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, damn, Tiffany that big Oh my goodness, I can't believe.

I can't believe. I can't believe you had a story about Tiffany relative to the process. That's fantastic.

Well, I just had never heard anybody to make that connection before. And you know, sometimes I get stories from my brother and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's really cool. But I don't know how to put the pieces together. I mean, I'm sure Manson said stuff about Depp and he said stuff about Hunter s. Thompson and stuff. But then he mentioned this Tiffany and I was like, well, what did she have one fucking song in the eighties that everybody knows?

Like who is this?

Who is this girl? Anyways? And oh my god, now it makes sense.

So according to Jeff Turner, she's born. She's also of some some like Lebes I believe Lebanese heritage where she's like some sort of Soufi hyph priestess, much like Tuesday Well was born into Celtic hypriestess. The way he explained it is like she was born to a Sufi high priestess role.

And what is this guy's name, Jeff Turner.

Yeah, I'll be happy to introduce you in the folks of the interwebs to Jeff Turner.

Here, somebody's asking about Debbie Gibson.

Now, let me let me let me find uh, let me find the actual trailer trailor I mean you look up you can look up his videos. There's a whacky dude. I'm just saying some of his Uh, somebody asked about Blondie.

Wasn't that Blondie.

Debbie Gibson?

Mm hmm, wasn't that her name. Oh no, I'm gonna google it.

I Dobbie Gibson was a difference here?

Right? Oh was it?

What's what was Blondie's name?

Why can't I find the actual trailer to this documentary?

Oh, Blondie's real name was Angela nevermind? Fuck me? Oh no, Debbie Debbie Harry was born or Angela Tremble and then became Blondie. So her name is Debbie Harry.

Look if you want to pop that on screen, all interditional, Jeff Turner, like, this guy looks great.

Known each other most of her life, and known each other most different her life, and we are in love with each other. And she's a great singer.

The difference between me. So that's the other stalker they put in the film this I don't Transfeste. Yeah, I think it was actually her maprodit I think it actually did have think if I recall correctly from watching this documentary years ago, they described it as having multiple sex organs of some sort, because at some point in time the autistic fella makes fun of fun of it for that or whatever, it becomes a thing.

So can I just say, before you hit play again, that this person on screen if you can't see looks like Annie Lennox and Marilyn Manson mixed together.

It's like the same you're on. They claim they were making the documentary about Turner, and they made it more about this character. That's why I didn't know.

I mean they they've already done a great job making him look crazy.

Right, they give them you. I don't really even introduce him. He's just like, oh, I love Tiffany, and then they show you this character and they don't truly love love the individual.

As a sixteen year old, she was forced to get a restraining order against Jeff Dean Turner my bull name in there.

Don't think you might need a sink some counseling.

I might ask nothing like a stalker to laugh about the court.

God, but I mean, don't autistic people. It's like they just say whatever they know, like they have no reason to like make stuff up.

That's what I'm saying. This dude's clearly got autism. You have to understand that what I'm saying, I'm willing to throw the baby out with the batsup because the stuff he says about Tuesday Weld and even some of the stuff he says about Tiffany checks out she is from this weird family.

Right, Well, so this is this is kind of on point and kind of off point. But have you guys watched like Love Spectrum on Netflix?

You have?

Yes?

Okay, So I really was unfamiliar with how autistic people could be until I watched that show. And they don't.

They don't.

They're not big into lying. They will literally tell you all about your fucking self and like they'll be like, I don't even do I want to go, right, I go.

On a date with you? Right, They'll just say some off the wall shit that is absolutely accurate and honest, but it's not exactly socially appropriate.

So that's what I'm saying, is like, yeah, okay, this guy's autistic, whatever you want to say about him. He's got a weird obsession with Tiffany, which, by the way, I'm starting to figure out a lot of people with autism fixate on things that are just like weird obsessions about like dinosaurs and like star Wars or whatever.

His weird obsession was Tuesday Wild, So he would go to the Many. He would go to the set of The Many Lives of Debbie Gillis, much like he was stalking, you know, Tiffany as an adult. As a young child, his parents were taking him to go see Tuesday Will See.

That's what I'm saying is they developed these strange interests and they like involved themselves with it, but not to the degree of like fabricating stuff, right, they just because right right, I think, I think, you know, they get so obsessed with it. They want to know everything. So if there was somebody to ask about this, who would know literally all the details, it would be a guy like that, right, And.

It's just so weird to me. After he drops all these Tuesday Will details that gets published in Steam Shovel Press, some Paranoid Magazine, and some other publications from Adam go Rightley, the author who interviewed him, that that film gets made immediately thereafter because they got.

To make him look like a kook.

Absolutely and put.

A transvestite Annie Lennox in there. Absolutely what what was Annie Lennox was talking about his character the other character in there, Yeah, the one that looks like Manson and yeah.

The Personal Trainer freak show. You know, it's I honestly think, if I recall correctly, I looked up and I don't think that person's any longer any longer with us, but it's it had a lot of problems. They had a lot of problems.

I could tell.

I still think a lot of I still think a lot of stuff that is filmed as in a reality type situation is not at all. I think it's all still scripted. And it's like, like me and JJ have even said this, like these might be people and maybe even a perfect example of Tuesday, will this somehow related to somebody who are important somehow, either because of a club or a family, like here, this is me, you.

Could do this.

We got this going mm hmm. And then that's just their way of getting in there and getting something to do and getting money.

Well, you know, oh go ahead, JJ, No, I was just saying again, I think to this guy's situations, it's to some degree he's part of these same families as well. Right, So apparently Tephanie's Jeffrey Turner, so he is au test he has you know, I think he's just born into a system where they couldn't use the guy for anything else, and he just he just seemed to take take notice of everything going on around him. That's kind of the way that's kind of way I took his situation.

Well, yeah, because I mean, if you look at some of even the people who came out in the sixties, some of them weren't even like very talented, but they became huge megastars.

And most were not talented, you know what I'm saying then.

Right, Like, sure there were some that could sing and play instruments, but like for the majority, was like, is this even good? But they made it good. They made it so popular that you think that it's good.

You know who made it good? People like Phil Processed, Phil Spector and Process, Bob Cocaine Evans. You know, these are the people running the music in the movies in Hollywood at the time, right the Laurel Canyon scene, that's all Phil Spector, you know, right.

I just you know, I've listened to like Crosby Still Nash and the Birds and like all these people, and I'm like, they're not extraordinarily talented, you know, vocally or I mean, there was some really cool songs that came out during that decade. That's why I love it so much. But I don't know, it was just like, you know, they're all their families are military or like real high up and it's like, Okay, you're gonna sing. Now, you're gonna do this, now, you're gonna be exactly.

Now, exactly so Turners. Turner's father and stepfather were fighter pilots near and apparently Tiffany has some relations to that same group of fighter pilots.

God, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Though, It's like they don't even have to really be that talented as long as their family was someone.

Well, let's be honest with Tiffany talented. She may be more known for her Playboy apparents showing her sits in the nineties than her mall hit in the eighties. Yeah, no shit, no ship. Right right after that movie was

I wanted to shout out somebody I saw in the comments, Tara, what's up girl? Thank you so much. I appreciate you. But you know, the son of Sam thing, if you really look into it, you and I did program to kill on occult rejects before, and he's in there, and you know, it's it's like he can't even he can't even be placed at the scene for some of the murders that he went down for, and yet he gets blamed for everything. And he tried to say, like, there's

Okay, Yeah, I got it. I have another show coming up on Wednesday night talking precisely this on the same in the process with author Jonathan Mitchell.

So you know what I'm talking about. Then that he said like, hey, this is way big thing. Oh for sure, not just me. I didn't do all this. I'm so.

I mean, you signed a memorandum stating all that nineteen ninety six and witness not only by Mary Terry, the author of Ultimate Evil, but there's another party whose names escaping me. He's also signed there. He names people like Roy Cone, donald Trump's mentors, being a member of the.

P knew it.

I knew it, dude.

Something off with that.

Roy Cone.

Yeah, you you and and you and I think maybe JJ both have brought his name up multiple thoughts.

Oh, I talked about that is a piece of shit. And it's like it's, like I said before, I think maybe it was in the Program to Kill episode. But it's like, all right, we're gonna take all of these people that Donald Trump knows that are like his mentors and stuff, people like Roy Khne and and they're known to be pieces of shit, and we're just gonna disregard that they have any connection to each other. Why is that? Like, I don't understand it.

I don't know. I guess that's sometimes I wonder if that's like part of the magic in itself. I think, well, it's it's almost as if like I think, you know, I've heard somebody say that they they think they saw this happen with I can't remember, some some kind of newscaster, but like people like start to almost kind of build like some false relationship with this person and almost start

Well, they think he's like a messiah or something.

So it's so hard to After that guy came out on what was it, day day two and started talking about the vaccines, I don't know how most Trump supporters weren't like.

What the fuck dude with one hundred with them, and it's like it's like he's best he's with or was besties with Epstein. Right, we're gonna forget that one too, I guess, even though there's pictures of him together. You know, we're gonna forget about Roy JJ. Youre muted.

Epstein? Never heard of him?

Oh right, you're right, never heard of him, never heard, never heard of him. I guess that's, like I said, that's another one that they want you to forget about. But this Roy Cohne guy. Oh my god, JJ, you gotta tell Nick more about him sometime. He's he's literally like, wasn't he the one with the Violet scandal or whatever?

Yeah, we did it, we did. Uh, we're gonna we're gonna do some more on I think, but we did it on the last one of the Mormons and uh with the Heidi Love We did a whole series of Mormons and parapolitics. And Roy Cone comes into play because he's on the board of Perman Decks and that JFK situation along along with the Clay Shaw, the man that Jim Garrison charged, and the and Joseph Banano, the head of the Five Families. He was the head of Banana family, but he was the head of the board of the

M Yeah, and he was wasn't he doing something around the time like the Franklin scandal was going on where they were bringing little boys to the White House and stuff. That was Roy Cohne's time.

I think he was. He was dead at that time. I think he's like he I think he died just prior to the Franklin I mean he may have been involved in the Franklin scandal by all means, I'm I wouldn't doubt it. The man was well connected in politics and Dedlin. So, but I think he died of age in eighty six.

Well he I remember Paul Banasi saying something about him.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he may he made I don't know enough of the details about the Franklin stuff. He may very well come up with that. He because obviously the Franklin scandal may got out in the eighties, but it was obviously going on a lot longer than that, right.

Yep, yep, yep, yep. It went all the way into the nineties with that civil trial.

Right.

So, But anyways, that's besides the point. Roy Cone knows the son of Sam.

Oh. Yeah, he claimed to meet him and gone to his parties. They all hung out to the Studio fifty four together. So another member of the colt was allegedly an aid to the mayor Abe Beam. That man was also that was he left that job and became Roy Cone's law partner in the late seventies. There their clients were the Studio fifty four owners, that's what.

And then he went on to be Trump's mentor.

Oh, he's already to mentor at this point he meets Trump in nineteen seventy three, Roger Stone introduces the two Roger Stone just meets Trump. He says, Hey, you got to meet my friend Roy Cone. So Donald had just hired him in seventy minutes, crazy seventy eight. I think it's seventy eight. You can find a picture of it. It's called It's called Roy cones fifty second birthday party at Studio fifty four. It was a vandy fair article

So he's hanging out, So Roy is hanging out with the son of Sam Berkowitz and Trump cross dressed on a leash all during the same time.

Absolutely, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. I like to look at it like this that somewhere around Sirra nineteen seventies seventy seven, you may have, in fact had Donald Trump, Roy Cone, David Berkowitz, and Michael Jackson moonwalking around the dance floor of Studio fifty four together.

I can't shut the fuck absolutely up. Oh my god, they were all there. This is why, this is why I can't get on board with any politics whatsoever. It's like you literally, you literally cannot choose a team when it comes to this stuff because they're all just cross dressing processed church members exactly.

Oh, this is this is the article about. But the birthday boy Roy Cone is fifty two. At fifty four, I'll de find the picture. But in this article you'll see another person who I like to who's got connections to the nextium cult, or as I like to call them, the Albany chapter of the Processed Church, and that is here at roy k They go over all the people to show up here at Roy Cone's birthday party, and

Off.

He sucked him off and became.

I would argue, is the reason why he's connected to the next to him stuff now is because he was connected to the process stuff back then and.

He was sucking dudes off.

I'm telling you, I think that's you not accept that going in the door? I think, right, right?

Have you guys ever watched Adventures and Babysitting and it's like you, nobody leaves his place without singing the blues, well, without sucking the dick. So that's right, Hey, wasn't that Chuck Berry in that that said that nobody gets out of here without singing the blues? That was Chuck Berry?

Was that really Chuck? Very holy? Shiite? So long, Erry, Yeah, so long? Is that around the same time he was filming, he was filming prostitutes to fart in his mouth? Oh come on, Yeah. When they raided they raided his house in the late nineties, early I think it was late nineties. He had installed cameras and all these KFC's and Taco bells across the Midwest that he owned in women's toilets, and he got in The Feds rated the restaurants in

God, nobody gets out of this taco bell without farting in my mouth.

Yeah.

Yeah. But he'd already been a convicted, you know, child sexophone in remain Act decades prior when he got busted for filming women in bathroom, toilets, that of restaurants he owned. I got belt Jack Barry, Yeah right, Taco Bell places. JJ.

This might be the picture. I'm gonna throw it up on the screens.

Yeah, you got it.

I was looking for this is it?

That's it? Eight year old Donald Trump.

Oh my god, it's just like and uh, you know they'd got they dressed him up as a girl too.

Yep. So, according according to this article about that party right there, Trump has just hired Roy Cone to be his attorneys. Well that again, that's you can probably do that in the in the coat room before you can get into the actual place. The crowd from my recent voice series was their thirty two year old developer of the Commodore Hotel and the Convention Center, Donald Trump. So he had just right prior to this photograph, he had

That's how that's why he knew to show up to the party in full drag.

He's like, yeah, some folks, if you have some folks, there's some folks in the Son of Sam community. I'm not one of them, but there's there are some folks in the Son of Sam community. That think one of the sketches of the shooters looks a lot like Donald Trump. Oh, it would have been about twenty six at the time.

Woww yes, yes, you know. My somebody in my family the other day they sent me this hoodie. They were like, oh my god, I gotta get this. And it was a picture of Donald Trump in front of the White House and it said Daddy's Home. And I was like, I'm just gonna kill myself if I see another thing like this. I mean, it's just so yeah, Daddy's home to suck Dixon the White House, ye know, right, look at this stuff at it. He probably flirted in his mouth right after this.

Picture mistaken, So he would have been twenty five at the time of this sketch. Right here, I believe.

Trump was yelling drill, Baby, drill.

But here here's the here's the Son of Sam sketch. Shooter sketch looks a lot like Donald Trump.

With or without drag.

This would have been a couple years pre drag. This has been seventy six. That was seventy nine.

Oh my god, look at that. It looks like freaking what's his son's name Baron, Baron, look at that picture. That's the young you know young right there.

I suppose the circumstantial argument could be made he did know Roy Cohen, who Burkowitz claimed was a member of the process. But now I have never seen anything that claimed burkowitzknew Donald Trump or claimed he was one of the shooters. He's identified all of these shooters as somebody else. But there is, you know, there is this sketch that people like this. You know, hey, what is Why does this look like him? Why?

Literally, why does it look like him? Damn, that is got to be him. I don't care what anybody says. That looks just like if you well, like, because I've studied the zoopiac and they have like the zodiac composite sketch, and every single person they try to put next to it and say, oh, this was the zodiac, this was the Zodiac. I'm like, dude, that looks nothing like the composite sketch. I would know that Trump without even seeing the side by side like that looks uncay and he as fun you know.

It's funny. The hair even fits him. Today's still the way how it's like very sometimes thick on one side and the weird eyebrow.

Yeah, I'm trying to find a picture. I'm at that time. I can't find a picture by the age of twenty five or twenty six.

Like one of them sticks up way more than the other one. That's crazy, dead Dead River for real, for real? Yes, oh thank you?

Yeah mean it does have bear resemblance. There's no question.

I mean, you just blew my entire mind. Because I've talked about Roy Cohane for the last like year now, since I read The pet the I covered it in the Pedophocracy series, but since I read Program to Kill and I found out about him and his connection to Trump, I've been talking about him, and I'm like, people need a look into this guy because he's fucked up. But I didn't note to the to the degree cross dressing and shit like that. Son of Sam Processed Church.

Oh my god, I don't think. I don't think Donald Trump knew Tuesday well, but he definitely knew her cousin Bill Weld.

Mmmm, you know the politicians crazy?

I wonder Bill Weld ran againstm Right in twenty sixteen. Right he was, He was the Libertarian Party's VP against Trump. A twenty sixteen Bill Weld.

Can you find a recent picture of her? I feel like that would be a good way to sum everything up. I just wonder what she lives like now.

Yeah, she's actually aged decently, you know, as far as you know comparison, like you were saying Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield, I guess.

Right, Yeah, who died very ritualistically.

Yeah, Jane Mansfield. Jane Mansfield knew the Sun the same cult people, damn it.

She was also on the.

Westchester Politician, Westchester County Politician.

That's nuts.

She was on She's Buried There.

The album cover for Magical Mystery Tour. Okay, you know the Beatles cover that's got like all different Sergeant Peppers, sorry, Sergeant Peppers. She's right there, and she's commonly mistaken to be Marilyn Monroe. But it's Jane Jane Mansfield.

Okay, I know what you're talking about. That's Jane Mansfield, not Marilyn Monroe. I wonder if you like Tuesday Weld in twenty twenty.

I wonder if you picked apart all those people, if you'd see some sort of commonality.

Between all you should pull it up because actually I have one.

Oh is that her right there, that's supposedly her in twenty twenty.

She don't look terrible.

No, that's what I'm saying. She doesn't look you know, she's got her hair, you know what I mean, maybe have her teeth still, you know.

Yeah, it looks like her skin is pretty smooth, probably from all the.

Yeah, she doesn't. She doesn't look too much like a demon dushy.

Yeah, she probably got baby Dick's skin injected into her face or whatever they do, baby scrot the blood. Yeah yeah, yeah, all like creams and ointments. They reb on each other's bee holes, right, but yeah, no, Nick, pull up that cover because I actually I feel like this is the cover that people talk about was like one of the major signals that the old Paul had died and was

Oh, that's definitely, that's definitely a different Paul. There's no way that's the same Paul.

Yeah, to me, it's not. It's if you look. If you look, it's like the new Beatles are burying the dead. See if you look at the original Beatles, it's like they're all sad and they're mourning and they're looking at the grave. And then it's like a super tall Paul in blue that's way taller than the Paul over here, because he was supposedly like six inches taller than the

Back Carl Marks yep.

If you I don't know, so, I guess it would be my top left. You can see Alistair Crowley right. There isn't Hitler in here somewhere too. I feel like.

Marlon Brando mm hmmm.

I mean Marylyn Marilyn Monroe is in there. She's in black and white. Yeah, yeah, but she's not the center of attention, not like Jane over here for sure. And uh, they're standing at a grave, which I've always thought was significant, Like why are they standing at a grave with the old Beetles like sad and crying and shit? Right, I just I don't know. There's something about the little girl in the chair too, with the red and white striped

Creepy, yeah, like on the armor. It actually does something like that.

Yeah, So there's something about that too. It was like the transitioning between the old Beetles and the New Beetles and the Rolling Stones something like that. It was around like the same time. I can't remember when they replaced Paul.

But it was right before this sixty six This is sixty seven mm hmmm, twenty years ago today Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play. Is often assumed they're talking about Crowley he died.

But yeah, I mean, I think this is one of those rabbit holes you can go down because it's just such a hodgepodge of like weird stuff and like why why put it together in that way?

Well, their process, I mean you're doing, yeah, weird process stuff. Well that's where that's where John matt Yoko was it, the Process Mayfair. Yeah, it was owned. It was owned by Paul McCarty, the original Paul's girlfriend's brother, Jane Asher, was his girlfriend. Peter Asher, major major music producer guy in Hollywood till this till this day. I think he's

So do you know if the guy who shot John Lennon was Process.

Because we were just talking about that. Actually, we were just about on Friday Night, weren't we Nick, Yeah, we were on our Friday night show. We were talking why did we start tall? Because our guest was talking about the jfk assassination in Lenin Vans, And I was like, I know a Lenin Van and there's a guy that drives around America claiming that Stephen King murdered John Lennon.

I wouldn't put it past him, right because I know that the guy that they blamed it on, Mark David Wasn't that his name? Chapman? Chapman Yep, he was a good friend of Kenneth Anger.

Yeah. He had some connections right to scientology too, I believe right.

So I would just wondered if the process came in anywhere with that, that's interesting.

I'm gonna look more into it. I mean, it happened to Dakoda building. That's for Bob Cocaine, Evans and Roman Polanski film. There's Satanist shit show of the film. Rosemary Baby was supposed to start Tuesday, well until she turned down.

I was gonna say, you go there's the tie back. It was supposed to be Tuesday, the High Priestess witch herself.

No, I'm I'm sure there's more to the lend murder there with the process, for sure, quite.

Positive, who fucking even knows? But yeah, I think this is a really great place for people to, like, if they've never looked into her, or if they're this this is like the first time they're ever hearing about her, to go and just look at her Wikipedia, because there's you know, if you start at the top and you just go all the way down, there's so many things in there you just would not believe like she's connected to or that she people, that she knew the circles

I'm glad, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you date right, Yeah, yeah, by Domin Lean right, Hi, Yes, would you believe that Domic Clean's forefather is First of all, Domin Clean's a member of the Society of Cincinnati. His forefather wasn't well a potential member. His forefather was a member. His paternal forefather and his paternal forefather most certainly knew Elizer Weld. Colonel Eliser Weld. There they served together.

So maybe maybe that's what the connection is though, because they say that's what it was.

Yeah, it was like there were there rumored to be dating right Weld and MacLean, Right, and that's what he writes that song about the tribute to the power well hold. Their families have history together.

Holy ship, because I never I never knew what the tie was because they said, you know that plane crash, it was the sacrifice for Tuesday, and then she was supposed to like ascend into whatever. And then the the American Pie song was supposed to be about that and about and then.

Oh my god, do you know the source of that sale you just described? No, Jeffrey Dean Turner, the autistic man in the kitchen to say that, say California. Yeah, that was from the Rightley series. Oh my god, that's what I'm saying. The dude's onto something, right, He's got you make some good points. He makes some good points.

I want to meet the fucker. I want to mind my show.

He's still a lovey. You can probably should probably contact him, But that song is definitely about That song is definitely about a ritual. I mean, the last the last, the entire last verse is all about is it mentioned Satan twice? The tank rituals everything else?

Mm hmmm.

One of my favorite songs too. It's crazy, you know, you know when you the first time you hear it, Like I was a kid the first time I heard it, and you just sing it, you know, and passing because it's catchy, but it means something totally different to me as an adult. Yeah, I mean. And by the way, if I was to ever get in contact with this autistic guy, I would not want to interview him alone. I would definitely need back.

We know, if you get ahold of him several people, you get ahold of them all, I'll come. I'll come question the man. I'll talk and autism with the guy.

You know, Yeah, you are not autistic, are you?

Don't I've ever been tested. My son is extremely He's definitely autistic. But you know the way that.

I've mentioned to Colby before because like we've done shows together, and I'll be like the way JJ can recall information you know, maybe you are autistic. I don't know, dude, Like I can't remember ship the way you can.

My son's got me. My my son's got me beat. You know, he's a he was diagnosed, so they never sent me to a doctor. I'm just saying, like he and I operate on the same wavelength.

No, for sure, Like I have to have notes. I have to, you know, go back because I'll forget shit and like be trying to go off my memory and I can't remember shit. But some of the stuff that you bring up, I'm like, how the fuck does he remember all this? It's like verbatim quotes and like places and like stuff in history.

But you know, yeah, we'll do some autism and autism with the Jeffrey Den Turner.

Sometimes I wouldn't I wouldn't have it any other way. Yeah, you have to be there. But no, thanks for having me on though, you guys. I think this was a really cool episode.

Definitely, definitely, no, for sure.

I had a great time. I got one question before you, Julia, So you know, not necessarily a Laurel Canyon, you know band, but obviously not really Hollywood band neither for you know la scene at all really, But Lennard Skinner they saying Tuesday's gone in nineteen seventy three and they're playing Crashes in nineteen seventy seven. What are your thoughts on?

Oh shit, yeah, I totally forgot about that.

Yeah, okay, family my favorite band.

That's my favorite band. I can't forget.

I love Lyonard Skinnard. Oh my god, it's like one of my favies.

Geez, August nineteen seventy three, the jam Tuesday's gone August nineteen seventy seven. Most of the band was gone. Well excellent.

If anybody's told my well, I think I've actually talked to Dick about this before. But if anybody's followed my show for a while, they know that I've put together all these like weird things that happen in August or around eights and stuff like Marilyn Monroe died in August. Tuesday Weld was born in August. Apparently they came out with this song in August and then died what August the next year?

The October seventy seven is when August, which it claimed most of the band. I think all but three three members. I think we're all well killed there.

Yeah, dude, I mean, I think it's weird. Did the song did you say the song came out in August?

Yeah, August the seventy three, I believe it was.

Okay, Yeah, So I mean there's just we have this August.

August thirteenth, that was August ninth. Was August the ninth of the the tenth, tenth, and eleventh, I think were the Manson murders. Right?

Is that?

Is that right? August tenth and eleventh. It's always August nineteen sixty nine.

Hmm, it's always August. If people look and they see, like if you even google like tragedies that happened in August, celebrities that died in August, it's like it's astounding the amount of stuff that that has went down that seems super ritualistic to me in August, Like when did when did Buddy When did the Buddy Holly plane go down? Was that August? No?

I think that was February.

February, Okay. I had a whole list of these August things. I wish I had that list still so I could tell you some of the stuff.

But oh, there's a lot of zodiac stuff popping off along with man's and stuff right in August that same year, right, Yeah, yeah.

I think John Bennet was born in August. You know, just the more you look for it, you'll find it. And it used to not be significant to me, but then the more I started looking into it, it's like, oh, another August, another August, another August. And so it's gotta mean something given.

These cult folks we're talking about in their affinity for the Star Sirius, this ancient alien cargo cult systems these people all subscribe to and their affinity for the Star system serious or dog Star? Is this going on during the dog days of summer? What you're describing it sounds like it is?

It is, Yeah, because I wanted to look further into it. I don't want to tangent too hard. But you know Santos Binacci right in his Holy Science and you know the zodiacting, and I'm not.

Familiar with this guy button He's a cool guy.

It actually follows me on Instagram. I was like, what the fuck?

Okay, he's a big atrologer.

He is, and I think he's done some great work. I just think he's getting a little old and a little fright out at this point.

That's yeah, I think he's done the same presentation so many times he's he's kind of burned himself out on it, but the information is still really cool. And he talks about the dog days, the serious dog days of summer, and he talks about significant things happening during that time because it's under the sign of Leo and the sun worship, and most of these cults and a lot of religions are based off of sun worship. I think Catholicism is

So Cargo cults love Serious, all of them. The more the process, all the Rosicrucians, the Masons, they all love Serious.

Yes, yes, the Uh. The civilization that built go Beckley Tepe built it in alignment with Serious. It's anciently old. The ancient civilization that built gig and Tea it's on Malta, they built it in alignment with the Star. Serious. If you look at the Truman Show, even there are several mentions to Serious in The Truman Show with Jim Carrey and also Jim Carrey. The Mask it's a it's a story about Serious and Loki. So I mean, it's ever you look for the mask. Yeah, the yeah, the folkal

It is everywhere, and it's like Plates are better than Serious. What does that mean?

What somebody says that?

Well, I just wonder because that's who founded the town of Moscow, Idaho. Was this Plates Club? Yeah? Yeah, they started the university. There was the wife of the first president and six wives of six administrators or teachers. They were seven sisters of Plates. There's Plates Club. That's seems to be some cult origins of that town. I just I don't know enough about Plates. I don't know enough

Parties say, well, they seem to believe in it. That's what I care about. I want to know why.

I want to know why something. I'm just saying I don't believe in what they're describing it as, right, Like, I'm sure something right, Yeah, some kind of affecting there, there is.

This is a cult you can look into JJ. It's called the the the Order of the Solar Temple. They were also I think they were dog stars, serious followers.

You know, it's you know, it's funny. That just reminded me. No, Lie, I recorded part one of a two part series with that with Thrash and Mike probably eight months.

Ago, and about the Solar Temple.

Yeah, we never got to part two yet. I totally forgot.

Oh my god, it's so yeah.

Yeah, it is wild. It's latantly cult. It's blatantly a cult. They didn't hide anything. They burned places down, killed people. There was multiple suicides choreographed in different.

Countries in Switzerland and France. And they also took all of their inspiration from Alice Bailey, who was.

As yeah, to go back to theosophy.

Alice Bailey with the New Age ideals.

Yeah.

I like the way wiscribes this cult, variously described as a esoteric new religious movement, a neo Templar group, a Rosic Crucian organization, a doomsday or suicide, call a new magical movement, a magical esoteric religion, or a secret society, among many other descriptors. These people there, they got a lot of skill sets, are pretty prolific.

I like, I like this called dude. JJ body count is seventy four for this town.

Yeah. Again, that's multiple countries I think are involved. Like possibly yeah too, at least I think they.

Jim Jones situation. These are independent activities of seventy four.

They're independent and it spanned over three years of death.

Good lord.

Yes, you got to look into him, man, They're they're fucking balls to the wall nuts so crazy.

Definitely will nix't been telling about him too, for sure. I'll definitely look into him. Thank you. Yeah, so I see the serious worship there too. Yeah, they're Yes, it's always serious, it's always.

But yeah, no, guys, this was a good one.

Yeah, for sure.

That's what mind blowing to me.

I've been looking forward to talking Tuesday Well and I appreciated Julia that I, you know, had an opportunity to share some Tuesday Well thoughts with you here today. Hell yeah, let me let me know if you get ahold of that autistic fell I'll be happy to help.

I will.

I'll let you know if I get You know what, the most mind blowing part of this show for me was cross dressing Donald Trump.

I think, there you go. God, there you go, a hunter nightmares from now on. Cross dressing Trump on a leash.

Yeah, that's so crazy to me. David Burkowitz in the background.

Yeah, yep, parting it up, coke out.

All the place, just each other.

We don't know if he was there, We don't know if.

He's Oh he was there, come on, and.

He was just pumping, oh yeah.

Singing his number one hit, My Dangling. It's a real song. It's a real song. It was the number one hit for him.

Oh God, no way. Maybe we should do Maybe we should do the next one on Chuck Berry.

Maybe you might actually find some decent stuff in that.

I'm telling you.

Nobody gets tabloid articles.

Right, nobody gets out of touching my Dangling.

I appreciate your all's time today with the Tuesday Wells conversation, for sure. Any of the folks of the interwebs.

All right, you good, We're done.

Gotta closing saments, you gotta closing thoughts there.

Uh no, not really no. I thought it was really good. Like again, I feel bad I didn't have anything to add, but I mean there was just this is interesting, so many different things that it connects to. I even like not have to bring it back up, but even starting to follow, Like I was thinking for a while at least plane crashes, Like there's even something like what's up like this?

Man?

Yeah, plane crashes a RFK have plane clashes to those guys who are for La Bamba. I mean, it's all these people. It's like, why are we using planes h knocking people off?

You know.

I mean I did a plane crash episode if you guys want me to talk about it sometimes. But Alia is a crazy one.

Oh yeah, I might actually be interested on that. That was something you Oh god, I'm sorry, I'm hijacking the show now, but real quick, I think it inspired me to do this. I started. I did a couple of shows where I covered the seventeenth of every month and weird stuff that happened on that, And there was one there was a few times where plane crashes were huge and I'm like, OK, what is up with plane crashes on the date of.

The seventeenth, cause it's an eight that's the dog Star. Yeah serious, the infinity symbol.

Seriously serious. All right, I appreciate the operation g c D take over again. I wasn't gonna have this conversation not on Occult Rejects. When when we're all with you know, when Julian I Recult Rejects. We we spawned this whole show off of last week's The Cult Elvis Show, which I can I highly recommend folks check out.

Yes next week, all right, next week, yes, all right, I guess we'll wrap it up here. And yo, the the chat was off the hook. Thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up. I tried to pay attention to throw up a lot of your comments. Uh so, thank you all again, and thank you Tyler. That's what's up. You're the best. And that's the end of another Cult Rejects until the next one. Buddy, be well.

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