Esoteric Elvis (Feat. The Occult Rejects)

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We got Miguel Connor with us tonight with a cult Elvis. But before we introduce him, I'm going to introduce the rest of the crew and the rejects with us tonight. I got myself obviously, and I got Heidi love with me. Heidi, let everybody know what you deal is and where they can find your amazing work.

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Well, I'll say, first of all, thanks boss for having me on.

Of course, I love doing these panel shows. Thank you, Heidi, Julia, Ethan, Robbie of course.

And Miguel Obviously, like a lot of young I'm not that young, but maybe like a little younger than Eunich, so I'll say I'm a little I'm young, and like a lot of young magicians will say, I've listened to Miguel's show for a long time, so I'm quite excited, and uh yeah, I think it'll be really great. So if people want to follow me, they can follow me on Twitter x Wucar Reborn, wuk O and g Reborn or the show.

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Well listen, you know that that is something I do want to mention too. I don't know if I mentioned it last time when I had you on, Miguel, but just like just like Room Soup, I used to listen to Miguil back in the day too when I when I was just practicing. So it's actually kind of was like kind of unreal to be like, Wow, this guy's on my show and I used to listen to his stuff when I was studying the cult. Like it's it's

Well, if you haven't found me yet, you never will. But I'm happy to be in a cult reject so you can find me here every now and again. Yes, I have Cosmic Peach podcast and yeah that's pretty much it. Oh, I was going to say, I do have an Instagram cosmic dot Peach dot podcast. If people want to work with me, the best way to do it is to go to Instagram and email me from my link tree because I never checked that inbox, so that's the way to do it.

But thanks for having me, Nick, this is going to be a good one.

Hell yeah, of course, know what. Thank you for joining us. Ethan Indigo, my man, what is up? Let everybody know what your deal is?

Peace on earth. Honored to be here with everyone, Always excited to learn communicate with you, guys. I'm a big fan of everyone, honestly, and I'm excited to hear Miguel's presentation. Recently put out an article on a cult research institute where your cult rejects have a bunch of writing of course, and uh yeah, I'm a ne'er do well writer, so it's and I think a link to my writing is below.

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And last but not least, my favorite garbage can dude, JJ Vance, not the vice president.

What is up, sir? How are you? And I think you are today?

Your technical difficulties it creating, sir. I appreciate this, appreciate the invite, Miguel. Nice to a nice you just start looking forward to hearing about some of cold Elvis. Big fan of A big fan of the king myself, and nice to see all the fellow of cult.

Rejects here this evening.

JJ Vance not the vice president, host of Operations GCD, and resident garbage Can do true crime. I'm here at the Occult Rejects. That's for nothing except for being an expert.

Nothing. That's what I'm an expert.

In pretty much save here. I think I can say the same thing.

All right, So finally we got through all that about five minutes later. Now we're going to get to the guest, Miguel A on Bite. I'm sure most people know who you are already. I mean, you're a staple in the occult community at this point, I mean you have been for a while. Just let everybody know who me and I know who you are, what your deal is, and what you're all about.

Sir oh Man, thanks for having me on. But God, all this talk, I feel like I feel like you're wheeling in some old dinosaur. I'm like the Fat Elvis podcast, you know.

Show it's gonna be a Vegas suit.

Exactly exactly, but uh yeah, just Miguel Connor, a host of a young Bite off the Cult Elvis. Yeah, love what you guys do. When I was writing the book, I'd often go into the uh, into your podcast, The Occult Rejects because it's nice. It's sometimes it's relaxing to see people shoot the ship organically, you know, it's only it's kind of rare actually, so it was fun. And sometimes I'd be like, we're working on the book, or

Yeah, yeah, you know it gets bad. It only strikes I get anymore from William Ramsey on my show. It's so weird.

It's like the funniest thing yet.

Oh, Julia.

Gonna say me for sure. And William who I just talked to today. We did something on the Catcher in the Rye and we're not even gonna try to put that one on YouTube.

Oh nice, nice, all right.

So, Miguel cult Elvis, I mean, I'm assuming you're probably a huge fan of them and that's why you got into them, but like, what made you pick or maybe you weren't a fan of them? No really, okay, so what made you? What made you decide to even get into covering a cult Elvis?

Then? Oh, well, Elvis had other plans. I suppose I never was an Elvis fan. I was always a Beatles person. Oh okay, yeah, I don't know if you young whipper snappers have ever watched the original theater release of Pulp Fiction. You can't find it, and you have to. It's the original or release. Tarantino took it out. Yeah, there's the Mia Wallace Uma Thurman, you know, daughter of the great

Part of the favor of being like, maybe stuff was not noticed that he was trying to say.

Yeah, I wasn't notice because this stuff is hidden in plain sight, you know. As you guys know, Elvis was like the he was like the conspiracy world. Before conspiracy. He was on the tabloids and the documentaries and the bad blog posts and all that. You know, Elvis landed from a spaceship, and Elvis did that. Everything I got I got from biographies that are you know, very well

So you do believe that he is, you know rip then because you know there's always yeah, there's theories that he didn't really die when he died, and you know, oh.

Yeah, yeah, I do. I do focus a chapter on it. And there's so many and they're great, great conspiracies, great rabbit holes to have fun with. But I do think at the end his body did leave. I do show that he knew he was going to die. He predicted it, he told friends. Even his death is almost a ritual when you look get it, even you know, on the throne. I mean, it's all symbolical. And he predicted that day I was going to leave. But his material body did leave.

But then Argentine.

Elvis fans say, look, number one, Elvis had more power than the president, and he was mob connected. He was connected with the DA he wrote, he said, what was going to happen, That's just the way he was. Number Two, if there were two people that are important in his life at the time, was Lisa Marie and his father Vernon. He would never have abandoned. He would have taken them with them. If you know, I'm going to move to Argentina or you know, or become a pastor in Arkansas.

What do you think about his relationship with Priscilla because there's so many so much stuff people say about how young she was and like when they met, and like after she moved to Graceland and it's like weirdness and stuff like what what are your thoughts about that?

Yeah? Yeah, yeah, there's many thoughts about that. Again, many theories of why this happened. I lean a lot simply on her bio, Elvis and me, and you can watch it in the Sophia Coppola movie Priscilla, and it's okay, it gives you a picture. But my theory, or the way I approach it, is that Elvis was a it's hard to say he there was an Oedipus thing with Elvis because he lost his twin when he was born, and Gladys could not conceive, and there was so poverty.

So she had hot draws some size dance.

She saw his pelvis moving.

She was gonna jump all that come on.

But she was in her early twenties, That's all I mean. She was in her early twenties. Whenever they decided it was time or whenever it happened.

So so was she into like all this stuff with him?

Was she was she doing like magical stuff you think?

Or no?

She scientology right later?

Yeah, she did joint sciential Elvis hated.

I was going to bring that up. I had had that written down. Yeah, I noticed she mentioned.

That, right.

What was the reason for that?

Why?

Daughter loved it?

Right?

Mm hmm wife and scientist, both of them, right, yeah, yeah, and he hated them. They say he avoided it like the cobra. It was a godless religion.

He loved. He was very accepting of all religions because he believed, if you're looking for God, I respect you. Except for scientology.

Sure, I've always wanted how Scientology took back, you know what I mean, because they don't like, they don't like when when families bad mouth of their family members about being in scientology.

That's a big that's a big no note for old Zeno.

Yeah. Yeah. But once he once he was gone, that's when Priscilla and Lisa Marie got into really need deep.

So oh okay, I hate it.

I thought that, and I thought I was I thought there was like more of the nineteen sixties movement.

Type of situation for for Priscilla.

No, no, it was in the seventies. In the sixties, she was with Elvis, and uh, she hated his occultism and mystic oh really, because he started becoming so detached to the material world and so spiritual that a she wasn't, you know, no more attention she was. He wasn't giving her the attention as a woman that she wanted. And he almost twice, he almost quit the music industry to be a monk, a Christian monk and a Hindu monk,

Are you familiar with the Tuesday Weld at all?

No?

No, JJ, Do you know who I'm talking about?

One of my favorite characters in.

Life, the Huge she's like a witch, right, she's.

Like a accordingand well Anton Levey had some kind of dedication to her in his Satanic Bible.

It was like Marilyn Monroe to Sday well, Jane Mansfield, but Tuesday well then.

Like this, they were like I knew they knew each other as they acted together.

I didn't. Yeah, I didn't know how. I was curious to know how the relationship went.

Yeah.

There's even pictures of them where he's given her a big smooch yea, yeah, yeah, I think that there could have been a romance there, but it it just like with the kind of like the topic of the episode. If she was into all that and they were best these I can only imagine what Elvis may have learned from her.

Oh for sure.

And Leavey elaborates on his dedication to Tuesday Wild in a nineteen seventy two book called Modern Witchcraft.

So especially involved in the rituals.

She's really interesting.

But I wondered if you had come across her with Elvis, because I know that they hung out and they were friends or whatever, But do you think, like even him, like how he was discovered and everything is kind of ritualistic, because I've seen the studio in Memphis where he recorded some of his first stuff, and it's like lots of triangles on the ceilings.

Yeah, it's it's really in your face.

You been there to go, I've been.

Record Sodell.

I was gonna say, I'd always known Elvis was in the theosophy and it was kind of just a loose fact in the wind. And I came across I collect the vinyl and I came across one of his country records that has twelve songs and in between each song is a seat and advertise it on the record a secret thirteenth song. And I thought that was kind of interesting in regard to the whole ideas of esoteric philosophy.

I would say yes or no. Again. His Vegas manifestation is very magical. There are reports he would stop doing concerts and do like Tibetan prayers here and there. There were times when he had to go into an altered state of mind. Maybe he was on drugs, but yeah, I mean he wore one thing. He wore an ankh even the day he died, and all that. I mean, starting out with the scene from two thousand and Space

I was going to say, even like a secret life though. It was like he had all this going on on the side, but nobody knew about it. Like in the public, they wouldn't go, oh, Elvis, that guy that's really into Buddhism.

You know, it's almost he had like a secret sight.

It does. It's almost like an immagh thing. It's almost like an image because even though he would wear this Aztek or Egyptian outfits and do that. People still had this image of Elvis as a southern conservative boy, but everybody in his inner circle and friends in Hollywood, they knew it and it was just part of it. Elvis did what Elvis wanted to do, and it was really

Did he write his own stuff?

Oh?

Sorry, what do you what do you feel about the catastrophic things that have happened on his bloodline, like you have implications there anything?

Yeah, hell yeah, yeah, I deal with that too. I mean Priscilla once said, well, you think Elvis would have survived how it would have been? And Priscilla's like, no, there were demons in his family and she said the lineage is cursed and I show that through his mother, Gladys. Gladys maybe you know she abused him and I can't blame him, and she lost her twin she was then they went to the hospital. She said she couldn't conceive, so of course she's just going to grab onto Elvis

Or because they lost over her poor son. You know, there was some I mean all of that. It's just every out of them. It's like all over again. Yeah yeah, yeah, but.

I'm just getting started on that. I haven't gone down too deep that rabbit.

All well, I just would jump in and say one thing quickly, since we have Heidi and jj on is that also Nick and I did a series at Nick Lison.

I did a series on Nick Barrett or Sid Brett excuse me, from the band. I can't even think right now, that's right.

And so he was involved with Sikhism and at like I'm a Buddhist, so for me, that's not a particular branch of dharma that I'm that familiar with. But I looking into it, it does seem to have a lot of branches into these kind of celebrity ocult networks. Seems to be like Sickhism, which is an interesting maybe side point. But also they were married on May first, nineteen sixty seven. I think nineteen sixty seven JJ might find that interesting date. And then also for Heidi they were married at the

Vegas.

On May Day.

Something I did want to ask you Miil was was he almost kind of like a conspiracy theorist in a sense too, because I think I.

Had heard was red pill before red pill was cool? So he was again he he was, Yeah, he would have been having fun with us right now. He would be fun Twitter. He'd be going crazy on Twitter and all that, because yeah, he he certainly had a conspiracy sensibility. He never right after JFK was killed, he was on the radio saying, there's no way it's a lone gun man. Same with Robert F. Kennedy. He was sure that there was foul play.

Yeah, he thought he.

Thought the Vatican was holding secrets and he was really mad.

It's like, why does don't we know this side of him? Like I always imagined him as like kind of a dope like that. Went to go visit Forst Gump one time and like learned how to do the moonwalk thing.

I mean, but there's just like this image of Elvis.

It's like, oh yeah, kind of like the very first Beatle stuff like bubble gum kind of like, oh yeah, it's Elvis.

You know whatever. I've watched. What is that.

Movie with the it's the story of Johnny Cash, but he's in it.

Walked the line, yeah, walked the line.

And because Johnny Cash always said, oh Elvis got me on pills. Elvis this Elvis that. So like do you think he's a good guy? Do you think he's just somewhere floating in the middle, like who is he?

Yeah? Well it was an occultist. He was a mystic. He had magic powers, as they show in the book. He was a visionary and a very smart guy. Even the big bio Peter pull In that I forget it's called The Last Train to Memphis, talks about how he was a brilliant thinker. He would write, he would annotate books. You can go to Graceland and you see it. He wanted to know things when he would whether he was

Right, true cult is they're never all darker all light. It's usually the dark in the light.

So that's what I met by Gordon, which he had recently, and it always sticks with thee. It properly used magic will destroy your life. And I've always I think right looks like a good Coultist.

Elvis also is a spook.

Right.

He was an undercover federal officer. He tried, He tried, He really did try. But he had an obsession with badges. He had an obsession with authority. But I think a lot of it because he grew up so poor daddy went to jail, no justice all that.

Later on. He wanted he I mean, he he never wanted to be poor. He never wanted his family to suffer. So he had this thing and I think he did it also to piss off his dad about badges, authorities. He would go on drug rates dressed like, you know, with a sche mask. He would. He met Nixon and got a DA badge. I think it was honorary. So yeah, he was obsessed with bad but I don't think he really like officially worked. But there's a dark side to it.

So right, maybe that was a job.

I don't have much involvement he had in the case, but he had an undercover FBI agent for a number of years there in the mid to late seventies and something that's called Operation Fountain pen It happened to be the most one of the most integral.

Cases in FBI history because it's.

Fun into things like abscam.

The abscam.

I don't know how much Elvis undercover had involved with that, but he at least had undercover guys on his team, you know, for for that operation.

Yeah, yeah, it was. It really had to do more with his dad, Vernon, because his dad was in charge of the planes and the money. Again, Elvis didn't have a wallet, no concept of money. It just wasn't you know. He said, buy me a plane, buy me a fleet of rolls Royces. So it would have to do with Vernon more than Elvis. It's not something sure was involved.

They would have been in the note of something they're going on there, because that case, that case dominoed into a series of other cases over the next almost decade.

Exactly. Yeah, it was a bit. It was a big thing, for sure. But I don't think Elvis was directly involved. I mean he was connected again, he was connected to the authorities, and he was connected to the mind. But to Elvis, these these were his citizens, his underlings as far as he concerned. Yeah, this is the guy that could go to the White House unannounced and get a meeting with Nixon. That's how powerful he was.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

He had a very unique angle, right, He saw every every kind of every perspective right through these days.

Yeah, and he never voted. He could care less who was the president. It was just these things were irrelevant to him.

He knew because he knew.

A lot of his stories seems very much like the fool archetype or this kind of hero element of him where he ignorantly was pursuing you know, not that he didn't have alter pursuits in wanting the badges and so forth, but the part of it just seems like he's just strolling through life trying to you know, portray this you know, giver of books and knowledge and all these all these little hints of him just being this ignorant hero.

I do connect him to the trickster archetype, not the king archetype. And I think that's a valid one, because he was a trickster. A trickster brings people into a new world, whether it's the Changer or the Coyota native lore or Luki or they are the gods of the doorways.

I feel like he used his music as like a spiritual kind of modality. I don't I was gonna say earlier. I don't know if he wrote his own stuff.

But he No. That's a good point though. I think when we see rock music as a spirituality, it makes perfect sense because again, these guys like Johnny Cash and Elvis, there were pastors. The term rock and rolling started in Pentecostal churches when people would be grabbed by the Holy Spirit, it the'd be like shaking. And then when rock music came out, these music critics would go to these concerts say, this is like a Holy ten revival. What's going on?

It so unique beautiful, actually, isn't it. I was raised Pentecostal. I can get on board with that.

I was gonna say, was he exposed to that stuff?

Huh?

He was exposed to that stuff, wasn't he? As a younger?

I was.

Gerry Lee was Jerry Lee came from gospel too.

They're all Pentecostals. And again, as scholars have said, Pentecostalism is Christian mystery school, Shamanism are altered states of mind, healing your body, your mind, and that's what these guys were.

That's one hundred du should have you should have seen the people at my church. They would be rolling around and shouting and jumping.

I mean, I loved it.

I thought it was great. As a kid, I'd look forward to going to church.

I'd even get in on it. But it's, uh, yeah, it's it's cool.

I like where you went with that, because it does sound like that, you know, gospel bluesy kind of cool sound.

Yeah, And people used to remember Pentecostal. I mean, obviously people hated the blues in the forties, not just the whites, black proper black people hated the Blues because it was so corruptive and dangerous. But they had a problem with Pentecostalism too, because they used to say, these Pentecostals, they're mixing Jesus and sex, that's all they're doing. And that became rock and roll.

Well in Memphis.

When you get into that Memphis area, just what is it west they call uh hell in the Arkansas area West Memphis, which is basically where Robert Johnson went out and went to the crossroads and you know, signed the deal with Papa Eggba and came back. So that whole area is kind of really just uh you know, like a like a prime place you know, for for this, Yeah, this energetic kind of you know music.

And guess what, Robert Johnson he died the same day Elvis died. I bet they both.

Yeah, yeah, they died on the same day.

Yeah, Robert Johnson was like a million years old.

He was twenty seven. He was the first twenty seven.

Yeah, yeah, I know, But I thought like it was like a million years ago that he did that, because all the pictures you see of him are like black and white, like holding a guitar. It just looks super old to me. I thought it was like in the thirties or something. But no, Yeah, I saw that recording studio in Memphis, and I always thought it was kind of in your face a little bit, like with what they had going.

On, and it's the same studio.

Yeah, I was gonna say, with that, with all the anthroposophy and everything, do you think he ever like channeled anything, you know where he would act completely different.

I mean obviously he knew, he obviously knew how.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he certainly had altered states of mind. Again, the astral travel he would do a lot. Yeah, he could change. He had the power to read minds. People would be freaked out because he could. He could read you, you know, exactly what you're thinking, what you're going to do. When he was in a bad mood, he had a way of just crushing your soul, which he got it from his mother. You know these people they walk into the room and you can feel him

So what was in your opinion, what do you think I know you mentioned Theosophy before. What do you think was like some of his I guess major influences.

He came to the occult, Oh my god, everything you name it. Yeah, Theosophy. He Lovedanda Manly p Hall, but he got into really anything. Khalilki brains, a prophet, gerjiev Hermann essay, he read Albert Pike, He loved morals and dogma. I mean again, this guy was reading hundreds of books a week and he wanted to know because what happened is that he was really burned, you know, not just the death of his mother. But we have to forget

Was there an issue with the second baby's delivery.

Was there like a placenta detachment possibly, and that's why she couldn't have any more kids.

Do you know?

Yeah, I don't think we know. I mean, yeah, it's a good question, but.

I am a nurse. I was just kidding, I know.

Yeah. But one thing you find out is that if you grew up in the Great Depression in the South, you were forgotten. Doesn't matter what race you were. It was horrible. It was like North Korea living so records aren't bad. And these people, like they said, where Elvis lived, it was on the wrong side of the wrong side of the tracks, so there was not records. He couldn't afford They couldn't afford a hospital, so they had to have it in his little house. That was probably not

And Elvis, yeah, projects with no doors in the windows. It's yeah, pretty bad.

It's incredible. It's incredible.

Man.

I add on something some of the themes of what you've been saying, Miguel Is, I think he really kind of did succeed as you're describing his initiate character of that trickster god in a lot of ways. As we

Well said, no, I couldn't have said it better. True. Again, he was the lord of the crossroads. He brought all this stuff, made it acceptable, even black music. He did something that almost got him killed. He dated a black girl in high school right the sheriffs almost ended his life. He would go if he wanted to listen to gospel music, black house, he would go to this church. He was the one at the back isolated, segregated from the congrege. And he didn't care because he was like, this shit

What did he do with like these extraterrestrial encounters. Did he like try to tell people about him? Was it like hush hush, Like I think that's kind of dope, Like Elvis, you know, King of Rock, extraterrestrial, extraordinary shaman, occultist, Like what the heck?

Yeah? And he had a great voice. Sorry, right, they're excited, but no. He again, he was so ahead of the curve when it came to UFOs. By the sixties, he believed in let's keep you quiet. By the sixties he already thought had very sophisticated views on UFOs. For example, he was one of the first people to read Vondanikin's Chariots of the gods. So he's like, maybe we are ancient aliens. He said, he very much was voiced, very loudly, how the aliens by where were us from destroying ourselves?

So did he think we like, did he believe in heaven and stuff? Like, we're what did What were his thoughts on that?

Like, Yeah, that's a good one he thought, And it's actually similar to what the Gnostics thought. He thought, you are incarnated, but it's all your choice or adventure. If you choose the material path every reincarnation, you're gonna go down, down, down, and eventually just poof disintegrate. But if you keep getting better every life, eventually you'll reach whatever, the light, God,

So do you think like Lisa Marie like in her mom obviously, like you think growing up with this guy as a dad, you might have some of these same like beliefs and stuff. But they went totally left, they went scientology. It just seems odd to me. It's like if you had a cool dad like this literally it's Elvis And then she married Michael Jackson for a while, Like I don't know what's going on with her, but scientology, Like really, I don't get it.

They were predators and he made more sense, yeah than the marriage with Michael Jackson.

I was like, what the hell was that?

Like, literally, what is going on with her?

Aliens?

Right?

Yeah, yeah she was but she was a young kid. Yeah, she was young. And uh, I don't want to talk for Priscilla. When you look at Elvis fandom, he is Uh. I don't know if it's fair or not. It's kind of if you guys watch up Breaking Bad. You ever noticed everybody hates Skyler, but that's the last person you should hate. It's like there's so many other villains. You know,

So she did have that red hair.

Though. Maybe you had to survive Elvis because when you lived with Elvis, it was always chaos every day. I mean there was press, celebrities, always something going on. Elvis was always out of control and he did what he wanted to do. I mean he'd do stuff like he'd wake up and say, I'm in the mood for this peanut butter bright peanut butter sandwich in Denver. You know, light up the planes. We're leaving in an hour. That's a kind of life he led. It was just Vegas.

It's yeah, she.

In her book, she kind of makes him sound like a real pos I'm not gonna lie.

Like when I read her book, I was like, fuck this.

Guy, like this guy which one Lisa Priscilla or Priscilla's book.

It was kind of like, I mean, obviously there's.

After I read her book, I was like, oh, hell though some of the stuffy like you know, but you get to a certain point where if you get married that young and you have that weird lifestyle, you're gonna at some point not like each other anymore.

Yeah, yeah, and you have to and also you have to take it with a grain of salt. Like there's this in the first edition of her book. There's a scene where before they broke up, Elvis essayed her that she backtracked and took it out because she said, I was just angry at him. And then there's a like another one where she says, Elvis always wanted me to have a buffont and you control whatever.

Yes, she did say that, but when you.

Look at pictures of her, she's got her hair down at the press or she'd say Elvis didn't let allow me to leave Graceland. But there's pictures of her in New York and Jet saying so again, you know things that happened between couples. Yeah, you want to take aside. I try not to, you know what I mean. Yeah, he was abusive, she was abusive. He was not faithful, she was not faithful. It's a I don't know there there again, Elvis was cursed.

And she was.

I was going to say, I mean, she was so young, so so young when they got married. And obviously if it's like that thing, like if everybody wants to screw your husband, I mean, that's that's that's not a good place to be.

Well, he didn't want to give it to her, So.

That's what I'm saying is like it's like everybody wants to screw him and I can't even get any Like what is this about?

Master came in?

You're right, probably some of his spiritual beliefs.

Margaret and she's at home.

Do you think but do you think that's part of his spiritualism or do you think that's part of like him running around on her? Because I've always heard like, you shouldn't give up your life essence. Every time you sleep with somebody, you're giving up like your life essence. This is like a big spirituality thing. And he really didn't have sex with Priscilla, like hardly ever maybe to have Lisa Marie and then that was it.

After that, didn't he do sex? Magic though?

With?

Right up?

Like there's gotta be something to that.

Well, okay, here's one. Yeah, one theory states again because remember he's got the mommy issue, bad mommy issues. So it is said that he could not have sex with women who had conceived children too much of a mother archetype. That was an issue. Now and there are some there's evidence for it, but then there's evidence like Priscilla was in Peters Morgan and she talked about when he went to Vegas in the seventies they had the best fling ever. So it's hard, but that was an issue too, they

I'm shocked he didn't marry an older woman with his whole situation with the end.

Well, it'd have to be an older woman who never conceived. There's a lot of them out the well in that look like his mom, who'd never can see who was in ritualism.

That's a very very it's just like such a small slover.

The population to choose from right there.

So you said, like he predicted his death, and he would like who did he tell?

Did he like have journals or something that somebody went back and read, or.

Yeah, he told people things he was like doing. He was acting differently, like making sure that documents and contracts were set. He remembered telling a friend out of nowhere, you know, angels fly because they take themselves so lightly. And the way he said it to his friend freaked him out. He would drive from Memphis to Mississippi with a friend at night and he would be looking under the house for his lost marbles, just very strange behavior. And he he dropped all these hints and I showed

That's kind of crazy, actually, because I thought he was like at the end of his life, he was kind of like sat and bloated and useless.

Sorry go ahead to Ethan, Oh no.

Thank you, Sorry, my computer was lacking. I heard a rumor that he also had some experiences when he was a child. Obviously these would be more difficult to corroborate. But were there stories about these UFO experiences when he was a child, and can you break down the Lenin and Jesus cloud formation? Did you hear about that?

Yeah, I haven't heard anything about UFOs when he was a child, So that one I haven't heard. What was the second question? Before the Lenin one?

I saw when he was driving between Memphis and LA that he saw a cloud formation of Lenin and then Jesus. If that's I believe right?

Yeah, yeah, it was. He was He had been practicing spirituality. He was very earnest and reading a lot, and are driving from Memphis to LA. He didn't like to fly for some reason for years, so they drive these mobile homes and he was driving and he was frustrated and he got angry at his spiritual teacher and said, look, I'm doing this thing. I don't feel I'm getting closer

One thing I.

Wanted to ask is the guy I heard you bring up it's probably in the book as well, is his lightning bolt symbolism. I think you said it kind of came from It might have been Marvel, which had a cult, you know, connotations behind it.

Yeah, yeah, I mean one of his big heroes was Captain Marvel. He was a big comic book reader. And by Captain Marvel, I don't mean like the one we know today, the one that you've seen in the movies that well you do the Shazam. That's who Captain Marvel was in the forties and fifties. And the light has the lightning bulb. It's a Shazam. And of all the heroes that became what he idolized, he was open about it was Captain Marvel. That's the most occult hero. This

So.

Yeah, the Lightning Bult became like his logo, He's taking care of business and the Lightning Bult. It was extremely important. And when you look at his Vegas costume. It makes sense because when you see him with the short cape and everything else, you realize, wait, as he's dressing up like Shazam, that's which he was. It was like his hero. So it's a Captain Marvel. Is fascinating because the writer behind Captain Marvel or Shazam Odo Binder, This guy was

If you think he influenced David Bowie, I was actually going to ask.

You that, oh he is the light blow too, blow by blow. I mean, Bowie knew they knew each other. Bowie knew what Elvis was doing and tapped into the same powers. In fact, Captain Marvel is behind Bowie too, Elvis Captain Marvel. There's this very weird nexus with Elvis Bowie, Captain Marvel, Philip K. Dick and Ridley Scott that is, and William Burrows and all these cats, and it's it's pretty well, it's pure magic. It's almost like their own secret society.

I've always thought that about Marvel. They put so much stuff in those movies. I mean it's almost like ridiculous. There's even the spinoff shows.

I don't know if you watched any of them.

They're all like on the Disney Plus or whatever. There's one called Moon Night and it's so oh my goodness, it's just retarded with it.

But so you think, like David Bowie, he was like on the same kind of like.

Spiritual wave of because he had kind of like an alter ego, right, Ziggy Stardust and many.

Great white dudes, they reinvented themselves over and over and over again. Actually, Elvis and David.

Bow very true. I mean it's almost like and Bowie admits it. When he started wearing Ziggy Starduck with the jumpsuits, He's like, Elvis, you know, it was always I'm gonna tap into the same magic. I mean, Bowie saw him in concert, and Bowie he went to his wife and he's like, wow, women are just throwing themselves at him, and his wife is like, just the first time you noticed that Elvis was sexy. And Bowie's like, yes, but now I know how and you know, and Elvis sent

I think Bowie kind of wore it more openly though. I always had such a thing for him because he was like magical almost, like even his songs and like some of the lyrics are just like Starman. I always loved him, but Elvis kind of kept it more under wraps. I guess that's why I never knew this stuff about him, because if you look at his songs really there they are like the more like handholdy kind of bubblegum stuff.

Like you all of not.

When Elvis got into that Egyptian deal, though, he got and then I think they're just selling the sacred feminine, Like honestly, the way they're dressing everything, like they're just.

What are some of his like topics besides that, like his like his hits that were besides like returned to Cinder and like stuff like that, Like what what we're like his egyptiany ones.

Well, I just don't know.

Again, if Elvis was looking at the powers underneath them, that's what he wanted to make it himself and to show these emotions. Again, his concerts were like Dionysian festivals where women were sometimes almost tore him apart. You know, when David Bowie found that secret he had women also just doing that. But it's really not You have to listen to some of his gospel music, Like I would advise you guys listen to the Life version of American Trilogy and he'll be like, now I know what it

And his body too. Holy crap.

Yeah.

Well, and also with Elvis, he kind of, you know, crossed all the musical genres rockabilly, you know, surf music, gospel, country, rock and roll. Like I mean, he pretty much proliferated, you know, all the tendrils, you know, throw.

Them all together in a stew and just said, this is it heaven and hell.

I feel like him off a little bit. Sorry, go ahead.

Oh well, you're probably right.

A lot of people I think gripped him off a little bit, you know what I mean, because he had an unrivaled stage presence.

Maybe it was magical, who.

Knows, Maybe he had a talisman in his pocket.

Happy to see me, That's what I still said. But but it was all natural. He was, I mean, his hips and everything was nerves. If you look at the bass luma, he wasn't trying it just he was so nervous. He was an introvert. That's the thing that's freaky. He liked even later in his career, just he could sit outside in his yard and stare at the sky for hours. He liked being alone and he got his he loved

I don't know if I was going to say something, but I just wanted to ask you too, because there was something I read. I can't remember where it was now about him, but it was like he like the introverted thing, like he didn't want to be around people, and like he would like lock himself in his room and stuff. Like he almost like suffered from depression and stuff like that too.

Yeah, he struggled again. Those demons got him at the end. He just couldn't shake off the death of his mother, Jesse's divorce from Priscilla the addictions. I mean, it really got to him. But he loved being alone. One of his favord rituals. He could sit alone in his room with a candle and he could meditate himself back in the womb, and he can go even deeper into creation. So he had all these exercises, and I mean they say on his fortieth birthday, his girlfriend said he just

Oh you know you had mentioned real real quick. I just kind of got lost on the thought when you mentioned it. Did you say something about him having an experience like with the womb and meditating with a candle. Yeah, I've actually mentioned that experience myself on the show a few times.

Yeah.

Yeah, that one of my experiences was just meditating across from my candle and like, yeah to where I was like, I went somewhere else, and when I wherever, whenever I came out of my meditation, I was like, yo, that was like I honestly thought I had that experience.

It was really fucking weird.

Actually, yeah, so when you just said that now, I was like, oh, okay, I was like, I guess I'm not the only person saying that ship.

How too scared to try.

It's very weird. I'm I'm sure I've probably.

Mentioned it on somebody's show here actually.

Talk to them.

Yeah, yeah, I think I've maybe mentioned it. Well, that's what I mean.

I remember having a certain visual and just like the way I felt, and afterwards, I was like, the.

Only thing that makes sense is that that was like me and the womb. It was just really or It's like I had this knowing that that's what it was when I came out of the meditation.

Yeah, Elvis was upseir. He was obsessed with birth and death. I mean he he used to go to Morgues for fun and yeah, he went with Priscilla all the time.

They watch on a date.

Let's yeah, he's doing somewhere there.

He's a guy that one.

He gets freak heer he one time they and that's.

Tell me he's a necrophile.

No, no, he'saw there was a dead baby and Priscilla starts crying. So they both sit there just praying forever for this child's soul to go there. And he used to have he would have. He loved watching dead people be embalmed, including friends, and he would just sit there and but but that's that's the job of the shaman. They have to know death and burial. He used to love hanging around at cemetery. He's a watching horror movies. Just that's what he did for fun. In fact, guess

Yes, yes, he's he dude.

I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

Yeah, that's what he I mean, a shaman has to be around the dead and around the Yeah.

But I was gonna say.

Make a comparison from that time period. I think even generations past his death has been copy have many people have been copying him, of course, but at that time period, imagine how many people were copying him more attempting to even But I was just looking at Jim Jones, and he, I think, try to use that whole persona to in of course a much darker way.

Definitely the haircut. I can't help him see that, Yeah, for sure. I mean he's definitely got the Elvis look going on.

Yeah, but yel I got to ask you something, and please don't get offended or kick me off the video chat, because I just gotta ask you.

All right, there are rumors, all right, rumors. I don't know.

I wasn't there that Elvis was kind of you know, he was in the Little Boys and stuff. Do you think that there's any credibility to that?

No, I don't think so, I don't. As far as I looked, I don't see it. Again, I try to go to a reliable sort. There's so much I hate to use the word misinformation because I sound like a politician, but there's so much gossipy, weird stuff, and so far I don't see anything that does that. I mean, it's a very it's very known that he used to get hit on by men, and he like, hey man, you know, it's all cool. I'm not my bag, you know all that stuff.

So well, I have to ask just because the people who listen to my show are gonna definitely wonder why I didn't, because that's a thing.

That's the thing people want.

People know about that rumor, and they're like, dude, Elvis was into like he wasn't having sex with his wife, and he was probably in the Little Boys and he had like this weird femininity thing going on.

So people, you know, speculated, Yeah, the.

Old No, I don't see that sage anywhere. And he was never I mean, you're talking about a person who wasn't alone. You're talking about a person whose own bodyguards to betrayed him and wrote a all tall tale all books because they wanted to bring him down. Nothing like that has ever come up. He was friends. He was friends with bisexual guy who was friends with James Dean, and they became very close. And when his mother died, this guy actually they moved a bed in his room

It was.

Very friends with Liberaci, but it was very platonic. Liberaci also lost his twin, so Liberaci gave him ideas like this is how you cope with the pain, and Liberachi in the fifties like, dude, you gotta wear jumpsuits. It's the next big thing. And Elvis is like, nah it, I'll never be in fashion.

And you know, well, and with the esoteric, when you're when they're studying and trying to they stop that because they're trying to keep their power. So it's like a whole thing with you know, the whole esoteric side of the studies.

So that makes sense.

Being like asexual, well, he was very sexual.

He was very sexual. He was very hermes, very but he again I show him he's very much like the archetype of the Andragine because he had his feminine and masculine powers. That's why he he was into the style. He understood women. Uh, he was what which we used to call them metrosexuals and nygen x.

He was like, I don't mean he was asexual in general.

I mean if he went through bouts of asexualism, it was probably because he was studying and trying to be in the purification process.

That's all.

Yeah, No, you're a hundred percent right. When he was really into spirituality, he would disengage from relationships. In fact, it used to piss women off because women would be like, I'm going to have this notch on my bedpost called Elvis Presley to get to his room. He's like, can we read a book. Let's me, No, happened a lot.

Hey, I'm I'm gonna get with Elvis. And he's like, yeah, let's meet at the Morgue and do some weird like yeah, you know how to turn a girl on or stuff.

Char Graham, I.

Ask you when we're talking.

What we were talking the occult geographies of Memphis.

I was gonna ask you did Elvis having the infinities.

For for the ancient mound sites of America, Memphis deep in Mound territory. And so is his child is Mississippi. He grew up on the mound.

He's my tenth cousin, and so I am Mormon heritage.

I'm telling you there's the Mormon up in that boy.

Like I don't know, Mountain love, they got that mountain load, not those I know, as far as I know.

Not as far as I know. I mean again, you just saying you should where if he had to go anywhere, it had to be in the middle of the night. If he went anywhere, he'd have to have a big entourage. So there was a lot of things Elvis just could not see he shouldn't go to. Even in the fifties he had to stop going to church.

He had because lay lines where he build his place.

And dude, did you know Elvis was born on the thirty third parallel. You know all that weirdness about like people who are born on the thirty third parallel. So I don't know about that, Heidi, but like I know, he was born on like a weird child.

Yeah, Steven Snyder I did a show with him, and he you know, he talked, but that's kind of his thing, mountains and parallels, and it's not my forte.

Oh yeah, I've had a number of mounded conversations with Reckless. He's very, very knowledgeable in the subjects, and he goes

What does that even mean exactly?

I'm not familiar with that one. So that's an interesting interesting A.

Servant of the Jews?

Like what?

Right?

Yeah?

I was like, what is he a Hebrew slave or something like?

What I supposed to know that he was, you know, created by Jewish bankers to correct?

Okay, well it's the Jesuits. If not, don't worry.

Yeah it's somebody, ye, but there's books written about it, on papers really, but they don't hold up to you know, no, no, you know he had Jewish blood, He had very close Jewish friends. He became friends as a kid with an Orthodox rabbi. But Elvis was you know, he was his own person, owned destiny.

You know, not Roy Kone.

I hope.

That wasn't a friend. That was his friend.

Shut up, I'm being an ass.

I thought, oh my god, I was going to say, those two are friends. I'm getting out of this.

Elvis's manager. Elvis's manager.

From what I understand, he had intelligence links, he had all these he didn't have any idea. That was one of the reasons they couldn't go overseas. It was kind of a mystery as to who this guy really was.

Indeed, Colonel Parker, yes, yes, that was his manager. And yeah, he wasn't an illegal immigrant.

And Tom Hanks, I was going to ask if that was that was him.

I was going to ask you that.

Was a terrible job by Anks, But yeah, that was him.

So what did you think of that movie? Did you like it? Do you think it was like historically accurate?

Some things aren't some things are, you know. Briefly talks about Captain Marvel and Elvis and going to black churches, but doesn't touch on his occultism. You have to watch Sophia Coppola's movie Priscilla that spends about ten minutes Elvis driving everybody crazy with his ideas and she being furious at him and all that. But yeah, Parker, he was a carnival guy. He was He wasn't even a real colonel,

Possibly Austrian, No, he was Dutch, yeah, okay, and it was somewhere over there. Yeah yeah, So I guess Austin Powers would have been furious, right, evil Dutch.

We see.

Maybe it was his handler, was the handler Power?

Yeah, yeah, but he was something else. I mean, it is true, this guy, I mean, Elvis made four billion dollars from nineteen fifty five to nineteen think about that inflation. I mean Taylor Swift and he did. He that's money they couldn't make. He probably made that's like twenty billion dollars today. And Elvis, of course just blew it, blew it, blew it. He never invested, never, he just Parker made twenty percent of that. And Parker died penniless because he

Perhaps a good magical lesson for why you should not pursue that path of hod after forty A little magic joke.

Are you saying that Elvis was a washed up loser?

No?

But it really this is something I've been thinking about a lot, Juliet. Is like magic's really about archetypes, like a large part, like even look at above you right now, the way Nick Cat even has it set up.

It's like I'm between two polarities. So it's a lot about.

Like how we arranged you mean, you know this, how we arrange universe around us. So, but your most powerful tools, the way you live your life, like the ritual that you embody.

So right, So if.

Elvis is passing the point of being a prince archetype, then he should the ideas that you would gracefully transition into one of the other male archetypes on the tree. But if you're very comfortable in the suffer, and this often happens to male magicians. They get very comfortable in thee because we're denser than women.

It's a it's not a slight against men.

It's just like a a kind of it's a Buddhist joke, but it's it's also true in a way because women can get pregnant, so they have negative space, right, so they're considered less sense.

That's really the idea. So a man should transition, but it's harder for us.

So if we've played the prince our whole life, we're always going to draw from that saffra.

That's kind of my thinking. I don't know, maybe that's maybe Nick or Miguel will crackt me, but that's.

Sort of how I think of it as Sorry, Nick, No, I just want to say that that also explains like what Heidi said about him, like always needing, always searching out, and even the rumor that you brought up, it would make sense that because the polarity that he would need to balance him.

Out, would be like a daughter archetype.

That doesn't mean someone too young, but maybe by our conventions in twenty twenty five, it would be like a Southern like what he was thinking in like the sixties in the South is obviously very different than where we're thinking, So maybe sixteen. He would like a younger girl, like some slightly androgynist perhaps, or like a Lisa Marie who's, as we discussed, very bad.

She has a Babylon energy.

His daughter does well, the wife did when they thought together.

She has that.

You brought it up.

There was such a great point. We all agreed.

The Tuesday Weld's like, that's the she's the kind of the dark princess to Tuesday Weld.

Like a queen of the stars. You could say.

The one you want to watch is his granddaughter Riley Keo. I don't know if you guys have watched the movie Under the Silver Lake, probably one of the most esoteric movies I've seen. But she's she's as she's a very accomplished actress and very powerful.

Does she sing or anything?

I don't think so. No, she's mostly an actress. I mean she's been I think she was was she in Once upon a Time in Hollywood? I think she was in it.

Brief Well really, Oh that's interesting because that's about like the Manson stuff and apparently Elvis uh made himself known around those parts.

Yeah yeah, I mean.

I've always wondered about her just because of the Michael Jackson stuff and uh yeah.

I mean was it her son that killed himself or it was her son that killed brother?

Ye?

Again, the curse.

Was saying, and then again we've got one without the the right back to the beginning, right exactly.

Maybe they're breaking generational curses. Maybe he was the last one and.

She seems like they're living.

It through it.

Yeah, because then he was the one that carried it on. So I don't know.

It seems like if she's in esoteric films and all these different things, it just depends on what past she's on.

But I don't know.

You do you know if Friley is into scientology?

I am not sure. I don't think so. I mean, I know Priscilla and Lisa Marie I think left before it was they did get out. I'm not sure. I hope once the book starts selling and then makes the rounds, I want I do want to reach out to her and say, hey, what do you think.

The reason I asked is something I actually learned from JJ, and I have noticed it myself now that she did a movie with Tofa Grace, and I know he was in that seventies show, and that was like pretty much like all scientology people. And I've noticed that a lot of silence scientology people tend to do movies with other scientology people. Under Under the Silver Under the Silver Lake, she was to for Grace was in that with her. So when I saw to for Grace, I thought of

That, says.

She quit Scientology as of twenty twenty three and is now just spiritually not affiliated with anyone.

But she has some interesting tattoos about her brother.

You're saying, it's independent scientology, make sure of all of them.

Yeah, look at the movies she was in Mad Max. She was you guys got to watch Under the Sea.

Yeah, I'm check that out.

Sasquatch Sunset. I don't know she played Sasquatch or he was in that movie. It was an Amazon where it's like a ripoff of Fleetwood mag I forget what's the name of it, but yeah, she's been in a lot of movies. I'm just looking over here.

Uh, was there anything else that anybody wanted to ask before we wrap it up?

Interesting?

Oh? Sorry, hydie me instrumpt here.

I'll just say I do think that the badge thing was interesting from a magical perspective. You could consider like badges to have a kind of coubalistic or Masonic, which is obviously also kabbala, just in a different, slightly different maybe context. But yeah, so if you had the collection of badges, you could also like that the collection of degrees, like magical order degrees.

And yeah, exactly exactly.

The police sons too, Yeah, I would agree.

There's no help for the widows JJ.

Sorry, is that is that another moment thing too?

Yes, it's Mason Mormons the same.

Yeah, she said, that's the last words of Joseph's Yeah, it really was allegedly Really.

Wait what was it? What was his last words?

It's a Masonic cry for help? It's is there no help for the widow's son? And he was a Mason, but also he was screwing everybody's wives, so they were kind of uh.

Yeah, but apparently so was Elvis. Right, he was screwing everybody's wife and.

More of your times.

That's interesting.

Wow, I wonder I have I have a question. I wonder, uh you mentioned the non touch healing that again? Now, Actually I want I bet all of us have experienced reiki at least here, right, that's a common non touch healing practice. I wonder what what is the one of the more striking experiences of maybe the non touch healing or just in general of his telepathic powers were one of those stories that were really striking.

God, there's so many, yeah, I mean, he was able to manipulate weather, he could make objects move against astral travel, stories of him creating force fields, God, there's so many. But the healing was very important to him because of where he came from, So he was just a healing freak, and it was mostly The blue light is very important throughout the book. When Elvis was born, his father went outside to have a cigarette and this blue alien light appeared over the house and froze all sound and the

That's the kind of guy you want to have around. Geez, that's sure.

They're usually a hot mess though. I'm just saying.

He cured a hangover. So after Saturday night wonders.

Terrific guy. I'm on board.

That's too. I get into it too much because we all wrapping it up. But I would even think we go.

Haven't you even noticed sometimes some sort of blue light experience, even amongst occultist stories.

Very predominant.

Yeah, you will hear about that every once in a while.

Yeah, and UFO encounters. Yeah, yeah, mine is always on this ship. Whitley streamer talks about when the visitors come, a blue light would appear. So I'm doing the research, I'm like, oh my god, this blue thing is all over the place. And occultism, yourthology, mysticism, Krishna was blue. You just see it everywhere.

Yeah, something interesting with that. But uh, thank you well again for coming on. That was really interesting talk. That was amazing, Miguel.

I appreciate it real quick.

Miguel.

Let everybody know where they can find your stuff and whatever you want to blug please.

Sure, sure, yeah, and thanks for great questions. Guys, you did a great job. I really appreciate it. Good convo right now. I would send people to just Miguel Connor dot com my name, because you go to the website and it's like two roads. One is the am Bite, my gnostics stuff, the other one is my you know, substack, Elvis books all that. So send people to Miguel Connor dot com and decide where do you want to go. Can subscribe to my substack, order the book online, or

Awesome, Thank you so much, my man. I really appreciate it. Everybody else, I'll you know, you can check their stuff out. Their links are in the bottom.

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