ConspirAsylum 1: Lobotomatrix

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Hello and welcome back to the brand new cult mini series. In this series, Colby and I will be taking you on a journey through the mysteries of mental illness. This series was actually inspired by a conversation Colby and I were having about a local crazy homeless guy who may or may not have machete some poor guys head off in Ashland. You were telling me.

Yeah, I think you're taking a lot of stories and clumping them together.

Anyways, We're gonna be talking about the history of mental illness, the medieval treatments all the way to the modern day outlook, is mental illness more of a misunderstood spiritual condition or simply something that can be prescribed away or therapy sessioned away? This is the topic and today today's episode is can Spire Asylum Part one the Loboto Matrix and Colby is joining me for this series. Colby, how are you?

I'm good? Feeling extra insane tonight?

I knew it me too, And isn't it sick?

It's a full moon.

I think, oo, you can be lunatics tonight.

I'm too tired to be a lunatic.

August eighth, so we have eight eight lions gate energy plus a full moon. There's probably a lot of homeless crazy people running around somewhere, machete in people's heads off.

It's a waxing gibbus tonight. It's not quite full Oh.

It's a waxing gibbis. Are you excited for this new mini series?

Super excited?

So where should we begin? At the beginning? Right? The history of mental illness?

Yeah? I think a good reference point to start things off would be what many people think the definition of insanity is.

It's not doing something over and over again.

Okay, so do you know that the phrase how it goes? I don't know what word for word, The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results. Something.

That's not the definition.

No, it isn't. But do you know who is attributed to having had said that?

Some idiot?

Well, don't look at my notes. I have heard it was Albert Einstein. Oh yeah, you know what that does?

Sound familiar.

I've also heard it was Benjamin Franklin.

I don't know.

I also heard that it was Mark Twain. I can I could.

Get behind the first one and that one, but not Ben Franklin. He just didn't seem like the type to be saying.

Well, the funny thing is none of those three men said that.

Who the fuck said it?

Well, when you dig around a little bit, it looks like the first place that it's that it was printed or was like said to be a thing other than people saying other people said it, because there's no documentation of any of those three aforementioned people having said it. But the earliest is from a fucking alan On magazine article, like a a non said it. Alanon is alcoholics, Anonymous is for alcoholics. Alan On is for loved ones or

No.

So they all have their sayings, you know, alcoholics, Anonymous has their However, you want to look at their twelve steps and the things they tell you that you have to do and that you have to have the power come from without from outside yourself. But Alann had this other thing where they basically said, I mean, I'm paraphrasing what the statement meant, but it seemed like it was sane. Addicts are it's a form of insanity, and you kind.

Of have to Okay, Yeah, but it's been so liberally applied the word insanity. No, that's stupid. Oh, it's expectingly it's doing the same thing.

Let's break that statement down, because if that was true, nobody who ever practiced anything that they got good at would have ever kept going unless they were insane. Because if you fucking start throwing darts, you're doing the same thing trying to get better, and you are expecting different results. And if you practice enough at anything, you will get better.

But practicing in and of itself is doing the same thing.

Over and over. That's why I'm saying that, and.

Getting different results because you're getting better at it.

Yeah. Well, anyway, we're getting into semantics of the word insanity. And another thing that I find interesting is that insanity in technical terms, there's only one place you can find it. Today. It's been replaced by a whole slew of mental health nomenclature. And now, what's your guess on where it is still a technical term insanity? I'll give you a hint. Serial killers, Well, they don't use insane anymore. The word insane technical terms.

Right, okay, Temporary insanity.

Or temporary insanity is a plea. Usually it seems like a plea of desperation, but you can plead full on insanity too.

There were other words like back in the day, like you could say somebody was mad, you could say somebody was uh, even possessed. They would say that people were possessed or mad or insane retarded.

Well, yeah, but those are two overlapping things, right. Retardation mental illness of any kind is a pretty broad term. But I would say that when we used to call people insane or crazy, you were talking about some kind of biological neurological disorder, which they still don't know exactly what causes it to this day. They claim they do because they saw a lot of pharmaceuticals. And I do believe that we were going to get into that in

Well, I think I think, uh, as we're going to kind of get into in the second episode about pharmaceuticals and the big money machine that is mental illness, you'll

You make a great point. I did want to counter a couple things you said, just because I don't think the spiritual element has completely disappeared in modern day in mainstream society for the most part, it has. But you can still look at Catholicism and other similar organizations that treat this as.

It We're talking about like the mainstream narrative, when you find a schizophrenic person, it's not to take them to the pope, it's to take them to for sure somewhere to get pills.

Yeah, when you do look at it through normal eyes, that is the go to. But I don't think it's completely disappeared. And I also don't think the spiritual element back in the day was always met with a nurturing reaction.

Well, I could get down with that, but I try to look at like a bunch of different ancient cultures to see how things have escalated to this point to where you know, we look at it the way that we do. And you know, is every homeless person just possessed by a demon? I don't know that. So yeah, could it be some spiritual some physical?

Yes, well in the two build upon one another.

Yeah, sure. I mean, I know you wanted to talk about Greece, but before we do that, can I touch on a few other ancients?

Yeah? Yeah, I was just using Greece as one of those examples of the more compassionate.

They were the one of the more compassionate.

So even though there's elements I'm gonna touch on that show how fucking far behind they were in some ways.

No, I agree with you on that, but I'm gonna let you actually cover that one. I have Mesopotamia as one of the and so I looked into and they were big into like thinking that people were possessed by deities and they would say, like the hands of those deities like that. That they would say the hands of ish tar was used as a psychological illness, like a term for psychological illness, like they were cursed or something.

Really, yeah, remember that word. My son always says it.

Oh yeah, he's kind of stopped.

But it was like one of his first things like to say. And we wondered why.

Yeah, So they would say if somebody was like insane, they would say that they had the hands of ishtar. So whatever deity they thought was possessing them or cursing them or plaguing them.

And then.

In Mesopotamia, the royal family of el I guess that was one of the big royal families or whatever. It was notorious for its members frequently being insane. This royal family in ancient Mesopotamia makes you wonder if they were doing a little incestuous shit right for so many of their family members to be fucking insane. But they actually said that a rectile dysfunction was a psychological problem in

Can we insert the sam tripoli Id reader right here?

But that was interesting to me. It's like this one royal family was specifically or particularly afflicted with mental illness and they would blame it on having soft penises. Yes, I mean I would agree that their penises were so soft it drove them insane.

Or vice versa. I think that them looking at it as a psychological disorder was thinking way ahead of the time for what we are led to believe that culture had at their fingertips as far as information goes. But yeah, I think nine times out of ten there are certain physical afflictions that can cause impotency, but for the most part it is psychological. So good job Mesopotamia.

Yeah, good job Mesopotamia.

You think they put hummus on their blue cheoe? Yes, they did hum chew.

Yeah, it was actually called to bully chow.

Well nice.

Anyways, I'm gonna skip Rome, even though I put a bunch of notes in here, because Greece and Rome kind of go hand in hand. So I'm just gonna skip to the next one I had.

Yeah, they just inherited everything from them.

Right, So mental disorders in ancient Egypt. This is one that I wanted to talk to you about because you found out a bunch of information about Hippocrates, and actually I think now would be a good time to talk about that before.

I pronounced Hippocrates. Have you seen Bill and Ted?

Yes, so Crates, I forgot about that.

Yeah, I mean it is how it's spelled, the Hippocrates, and.

You talk about Hippocrates in Rome, and then I'll talk about ancient Egypt because I think they actually kind of tie together.

Well, ancient Egypt, I'll say right off the bat, we're highly advanced in the way they looked at it. Yes, they sounded like a Joe Rogan podcast. When it came to mental illness. They basically their answer to it was to expose the afflicted to socializing, recreation and creativity. So if melancholy strikes someone for an amount of time, they would push them to engage with you know, go to a concert, paint picture, do whatever. And oftentimes it was successful.

The same lines with Joe Rogan. The ancient Egyptians also said to cure hysteria and melancholy, they should take hallucinogens, right, So that was another thing that the ancient Egyptians kind of.

And that fucking toe shaped gnome is obsessed with Egypt.

So yeah, I mean, well, who is it really they did? They did spells and shit too, Don't don't get it twisted. In ancient Egypt, there were They did use certain temples and spell casting and hallucinogens, and.

They also believed in the wandering Uterus, which we will talk about. That even kind of crosses over into hippocrites.

Would you say his fucking name?

Right, I'm saying it, Bill and tedstyle Hippocrates. For as much as he was given credit for, he was also kind of looney.

Yeah, he was. Go ahead, talk about Greece.

Then, well, I've got an article to read. Oh yes, you said Greece. I had an article on ancient Egypt.

Oh, sure, if you have one on ancient Egypt before we.

Get to and I also at some point, do you want to read the shamanic view of mental illness by that guy that came over in the eighties with the you know African Yeah, but any of the African view of mental illness that he brought with him over here.

And just thought, you want to sum up the ancient culture's segment with.

That article, Yeah, we can do that, just it'll be a good segue acrossing over into the botto too. But for now, this woman wrote an article, Kathy Pike, and she's like fucking Columbia University or some shit. Yeah. So she points out that the hieroglyphs, statues, and mummies from thousands of years ago is tells stories of war, leadership, succession, cultural beliefs, and the evolution of ideas. But a lot of the stuff that was overlooked these people think could

Were they thinking that people had like worms in their brain?

I don't know, probably something along those lines. What about the brain? The Edwin Smith Paprius, also dating from approximately fifteen fifty BC, stands out because it describes the brain for the first time in history, as enclosed in a membrane, with two hemispheres patterned and with convolutions. It contains The first known descriptions of the miniges is that how that

Okay, I have a question they if they're not worried about the brain and they're only looking at the brain as they do the mummification process, how the fun do they know all that stuff about the cerebellum and the core texes and the Yeah.

It's not like they cracked a skull open and examined it because they're yanking it out through the nose.

That's what I'm saying. It's like they're not giving the ancient Egyptians enough credit here for.

Being a wag's That's the thing, is.

An understanding stuff that we have no idea about. I think they had electricity. I mean, I think they had all kinds of shit. They're fucking even understanding.

If we want to do a conspiracy episode about like who these people were and what they were doing, I'm guaranteeing you all this stuff is.

Gonna just see how she undermined them by saying that they were just retards taking brains out through the nose and mummification and da da da. Well, it's like, now, bitch.

She's making a huge leap that they would view the brain as important during the next step into the afterlife, when I mean, obviously that's just part of the physical form.

They did mummification as a process to like preserve the body. But that this papyrus of them documenting medical stuff has nothing to do with mummification. They're talking about they're talking about like electric synapses in the brain.

Yeah, but how is that?

I mean, people just don't understand Egyptians. I'm not saying I'm a fucking expert on it or anything. I'm just saying they knew what was up.

Wait, this is proving that. Number three Ancient Egypt's description of depression. The ancient Egyptian medical text describes somatic, emotional and psychological symptoms of depression with language that foreshadows clinical description of mood disorders today, as discussed by Professor Mervat Nasser. Papyrus Ebers contains descriptions of ill health that are easily recognized as what we would call mental health conditions today. Exserts include the mind and the heart, which goes up

Like they're doing Reikie on these fuckers.

The hypnotic state was induced by lamps and burning perfumed wood. Priests interpreted the dreams and consulted the Egyptian dream Berg dream Book to find cures. Unlike Freud, who believed that dreams represent an individual's unconscious and internal psychic conflict, the ancient Egypts understood dreams to be supernatural, where gods were responsible for shaping dream content and protecting against bad dreams.

I could get on board with that.

And this is the last observation number five. First psychology experiment. Psychology historian Morton Hunt suggests that the first psychology experiment conducted might be an experiment performed by the Egyptian pharaoh Samaticus Samatitius. I think it's tikis the first and seventh century BC. He wanted to ascertain whether Egypt was the

That's interesting. I'm telling you ancient Egyptians were up to some shit. Was that all you had on them? Because I think you're gonna find China equally as interesting.

Yeah, and we could get into Hippocrates after that.

That sounds good because I don't know how many notes you have on China.

Zero.

Oh good.

So I had some observations about how they treated in sanity, and like more modern culture, it was one of the cultures that did a lot of the shunning of.

Really, well, this is ancient China.

I'm I did not look into China at all.

So it's actually a good segue into Hippocrates because I believe he actually ripped the Chinese methods off.

Are you sure he wasn't just paying respectful homage?

No, Because he's credited as coming up with the theory.

Well, you know he's white.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

You think you go over to China and they're teaching him as the guy who did all this.

No, but okay, but think of it though, ancient China has a lot of rich history, right, and then Hippocrates is credited as coming up with this theory, But the ancient Chinese were practicing it for a lot longer.

You're talking about the Four Humors.

Yes, so they believed mental and physical illnesses were caused by imbalances in the forces of yin and yang. But they they took it as a physical and a mental condition. So they had this whole yin and yang thing. But the way that they balanced it out was the Four Humors,

A lot of veterans when it added to the treatments that the VA covers, because it helps a lot of them out. Like we're talking PTSD, which is a form of mental illness.

I actually have had two people tell me that they had infertility issues, got acupuncture, got pregnant like on their next cycle. And then I was talking to my doula and she said, don't don't get induced, don't get a membrane sweep, don't do any of that. She said, go get acupuncture. It'll legit start your labor after just a few treatments. Like acupuncture is some kind of fucking The Chinese had it figured out.

Did you, doula listen to this podcast?

No? Why, she's definitely not ready for it.

I was just gonna say, I met this woman the other day.

Yeah, she's not the type to listen to this podcast.

I think you should tell her about it.

No, I'm not gonna tell her about nothing. So the Inner Canon of the Yellow Emperor, as it's called, described her.

That's racist. Why yellow?

Hey, I didn't name it.

I didn't say you were the one being racist. I just think we're gonna get hashtag canceled. Whatever.

Cancel me. Then, that's what it's called the Inner Canon of the Yellow Emperor. It described symptoms, mechanisms, and therapies for mental illness, emphasizing connections between bodily organs and emotions. So they thought like, whatever your symptoms you were presenting mentally, it was connected to some kind of organ in your body, which that's why they used acupuncture so much. But they had this whole thing about if a person exposed themselves to high levels of emotion, Like.

Oh, I thought you're gonna say if people exposed themselves they were considered mentally ill.

No, it was like they would say, like if they if somebody went to a funeral and they were they cried too much, or if they were exposed to the trauma that they could get possessed and that could also lead to mental illness. So they would they said, it's

Well. Stress arguably is one of the leading causes of the majority of mental or mental and physical elements. But they had this whole.

They have this whole bile system that they worked on Yellow bile, green bile, clear bile. You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, it's uh, this is from the Hippocrates. Sanguine, choleric, melancholic, and phlegmatic. Those are the four biles, and one of them is Sanguine is blood, Choleric is yellow bile, melancholic is black bile, and phlegmatic is phlim.

So that idea actually came from the ancient Chinese. And I think this is a good segue for you to start talking about Hippocrates, because literally the four humors, as he called them, were the bile system in ancient China.

Yeah, and so if you want to know more about Hippocrates, everybody knows who he is, ancient famous physicysician, who you know, the Hippocratic oath, all that shit. But we're just going to be looking at his model of humorism, the concept.

I think he called it humors. I don't know, there's nothing funny about it at all.

Humorism, the hemoral theory or memorialism, is a system of medicine detailing is supposed to make up and workings of the human body. And here even in the Wikipedia, adopted by ancient Greek and Roman physicians, and philosophers. It doesn't even mention ancient Chinese. That's what I'm saying. He ripped them off, and here you go. The concept may have origins in ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia, though it wasn't systemized until ancient Greek thinkers.

They're just totally going to leave out the chinamen well.

Early texts on Indian A Eurveda medicine presented a theory of three or four humors thosas, which they times linked with the five elements earth, water, fire, air, and space.

Interesting.

Yeah, I'm just reading through here. I don't see any mention of the Chinese so far. The concept of humors chemical systems regulating human behavior became more prominent in the writing of medical theorists al Cameon of Croton five forty to five hundred BC. His list of humors was longer and included fundamental elements described by Empedocles, such as the elements Hippo I almost said hypocrites again. Hippocrates usually credited

He's drank one too many. Now that's that is humorous, did it?

It is? And I wonder what my pea would taste like.

Well, I'm telling you right now since I've been yours.

Pregnant pee has got to be the best.

Oh, it is funky.

It is funked. He doesn't even need asparagus and that's what it smells like.

Yeah, I want. He probably tell me I needed to be if he tasted in my.

Peet, you're pregnant upper puss there. It needs to be lobotomized. I think so.

I do think, even though we're making a joke of it, that the bio system could have Well.

It's like I was telling you earlier tonight, when you look at the modern day understanding of the biome system, the gut biome, the neurons that aren't just in your brain, that they're in your abdomen. A lot of this has a lot to do with like autism and other things. One, so they had an understanding. And from what you're telling me, And it's so funny that in all the research I did on Hippocrates, I was never laid back or laid back. I was never led back to ancient China.

So but that's what they were doing with the acupuncture is like they were damining the fluids.

Ancient Chinese medicine is practiced in all ways today, like even.

Ancient Chinese medicine that somebody recommended about turning a breach baby.

Yes, So my son's mom had some difficulties at the end of the pregnancy, which led her to the hospital where they gave her an ultrasound that she hadn't had one since twenty weeks, and they saw that my son was breach. So they were deciding what to do about it. They can't do a delivery, they have to do a

That's why I say a lot of these people are ripping off ancient Chinese medicine.

They're ripping it off. I mean he even called it that. Yeah, Hippocrates may have been ripping it off, but this guy said this is an ancient Chinese remedy.

Yeah, I'm talking about Hippocrates because he's credited with the bile system.

Or like Hypocrates. Yeah, hypocrite with.

Titties, fucking phony tease.

But yeah, I agree. It's always some affluent European person who gets the credit. I mean, he's like the Kurt Cobain of the you know, of the doctor's back.

Does it make you want to get acupuncture? No, you don't have any ailments.

You want to see if it fixes I mean, if it can cure my hernia.

Well I doubt it. But you know who else got acupuncture and it really fixed them up?

Are they them? Dexter in the news the Dog? No? Oh?

In the new season?

Oh Dexter. Yes he did get acupuncture. He was a little stiff from taking a chest shut. Spoiler alert for nobody who's caught.

Up but if you're not caught up, you're not a true fan, because we'd be waiting for them episodes to drop.

We're gonna watch the new one right after we get done recording. Yes, so happy they do sponsor the show.

By the way, I would be down for a sponsored by Dexter.

From Paramount Plus. How fucking dare you? They can Stephen Colbert because Trump said he's not funny.

How about Persia, let's do it. You know anything about Persia?

They have weird looking cats.

Well, they also were not as advanced as some of the other civilizations we've talked about. They were under the assumption that everybody was possessed by the devil.

Well, oh, that's more along your line of thinking.

Well, yeah, but I would I'm still on board with like the ancient Chinese view. It was like a little bit spiritual, little bit physical, you know what I mean?

Pretty good e merging the two.

Yeah, well, the Persia is pretty much behind the times. They thought that it was evil spirits and that everybody's possessed by the devil. And to release these spirits they used trepidation, which is just drilling holes in people's skull and they said it would allow the spirits to leave the body. What are your thoughts on that.

I think the trepanation is interesting and I actually have a little info on it because to me, it was like the stepping stone to the lobotomy.

Well, it was the ancient lobotomy.

Yeah. They didn't mess with the brain though. No, but if you drill yeah, like I said, this is like just the tip of the dick end. This isn't like full on lobotomy. This is yeah.

But in some of these cultures that practiced trepidation, if they didn't have a way to drill a hole, they would just use a rock and scrape at your scalp and your skull until they made a bur hole. Does that sound I mean, does that sound fun to you?

Uh? I don't think so. Trepening also known as trepanation, trepanation, trefening, or making a burhole with a rock if you ain't got nothing else. It says it derives from Old French and medieval Latin from Greece. Once again, they don't give the Persians their day. But this fucking went on for a long time. Yes it did. And there's a picture

It's like we've reverted back to ancient.

Yeah, we've we've taken this technocratic leap, but still incorporating the old and you call it a birhole. And Elon has the boring company raebores into the earth.

That that I actually want to talk about a little bit more after this next ancient culture, So leave that up.

I mean, they're they're attributing trepanation to ancient China.

Oh, they'll give them their spotlight with the negative stuff. But how about the bio system.

Well yeah, and they're still not talking about persia at all.

Well, good thing I did thorough research because they were definitely practicing it.

Yeah, I gotta admit I heard about trepanation and then went right to Wikipedia.

Did you really?

Yeah?

Well, the next culture that I have you might find interesting. Israel and the Hebrew dispera.

Man, they haven't been getting any coverage in the press.

Let's do it despara? Is it despara? Dispora? Yeah, dispora despara.

Well, anyways, dyspora, it's spelled like dispora.

I let's just say Israel and the hebrews okay uh. There are passages of the Old Testament that have been interpreted as describing mood disorders in figures, which is Job King Saul, and in the Psalms of David.

I mean, these motherfuckers were literally hearing voices all the time.

And in the Book of Daniel, King Nebukanesser is described as temporarily losing his sanity and eating grass and shit and thought he was a cow or something. And nobody so nobody really talks about mental illness in the Bible other than just demon possession. But I remember when I was little, there was even a song in Sunday School about King nebukan Nezer eating grass and shit and being a crazy motherfucker. So even in the Bible there is oh,

So yeah, prepanation basically is opening up the skull so that evil spirits can vacate the premises.

I think they didn't practice that in the Old Testy.

I mean maybe they did. I think they They're obsessed with circumcision and other things, but I mean in this it's talking about ways that you can do it. Rectangular intersecting, cuts, scraping, using utilizing an abrasive instrument such as flint.

I told you they would.

Yeah, circular grooving, boring and cutting by a circular trefen or a crown saw. Bur hole done by drilling several circle holes, and that's probably the more modern. If they're drilling closely to create a space and then cut chisel the bone between the hole.

It was not a good day to be mentally ill in ancient history.

I'm just saying it will You're right, never really got better.

So general trends in ancient views, supernatural explanations, right, spirits, deities, God's demons, treatments were rituals, prayers, exorcisms, blood letting, and trephanation. Right, but before we get into some more of the medieval treatments, I just want to talk about the potential of positive outcomes of some of these treatments. Yes, they sowned barbaric to us now, but in a way, I almost feel like pharmaceuticals are potentially more toxic and dangerous than let's say,

Yeah, I mean I would I was going to say this earlier, but I think now's a good time to say. I would say the darkest shit that has happened happened after we transitioned from this belief in strictly supernatural causes to today making it a more medical issue. I would say, after we switched to that collectively, that that's when the real dark shit started happening. I agree, Oh, yeah, you might end up with a couple holes in your skull, But think about.

Something like blood letting. I know that sounds horrible, what if it was curing these people?

I mean, I think that a lot of the under right, I would say a lot of the basic understanding of the way the human body works is probably closer to what we're doing these days. You're talking pharmaceuticals. Uh, I don't know. I don't want to get into it in

Let me ask you this. Let's just say you had a problem mental illness problem that we'll say, you're not all the way fucking mad hatter, but you have.

To do we even need to pretend.

Exactly, just be yourself. And you have two options. You can go to the ancient Egyptian clinic, the ancient Chinese clinic.

If I want some opiates? Obviously I go with the Purdue link.

But they also had antidepressants and they had yeah, I mean the big money and the big scandal came in the painkillers, but they had their fingers and all of it.

Uh, you know, obviously I'm more of a holistic guy, and I don't think serotonin and dopamine are understood as well as they have claimed it is, and I think the crap shoot that has resulted in a lot of backlash, a lot of fucking what would you call it blowback with side effects that are indirect opposition to what they're trying to do as far as treating these things with pills. And then there's the talk therapy end of it, which are a lot.

Of times the Laurel Wood Encampment.

A lot of time does lead to the pharmaceutical line anyway, because they often are contracted with these people as well. We're just taught that that's the way to do it, and they believe it themselves.

Addition, into these encampments where you have to stay for an extended period of time and installation and you get talk therapy. But out of those four, like which one? Who are you trusting?

I mean, I'm going ancient China all day. Yeah, same, give me some egg rolls on my way out the door.

You know, they still have a better view on treating mental illness today in China than we do in the US.

Well they better because they have a fucking whole population of subservient just fall in line because it's that or death. So they probably do have a large amount of mental illness.

But they treat it differently than we do.

How do they treat it currently?

Well, it's less about the pharmaceuticals. I will tell you that it's not marketed to them the way it is in the US. There are literally commercials that we watch in between our Hulu shows. That's like, are you depressed? They don't have that in China.

I pay for no commercials.

But you know what I'm saying though, it's like it's marketed to us, like, if you're having a bad are you a little blue?

Ask your doctor about after a lacreef with sauce. They don't have that. Well, it's only us in New Zealand who are allowed to advertise pharmaceuticals first of all, which is kind of random that it's New Zealand. I mean, I understand our culture and that saysn't surprise me at all. I don't know a lot about the kiwis. They share work CONTs during COVID.

Yeah, well fuck them.

Everybody down and that sorry Drew missing other than you.

I'm just saying that I think the ancients may, even though their treatments sound barbaric, may have had a better idea of how to deal with this than we do now.

Well, I think you know another angle of it is the Egyptian model might look the most appealing because they don't jump right to intervention. They are like Jordan Peterson, like clean your room, twelve rules for living, go outside, go to a concert. Yeah, take some xenax. It worked out well for me. No. They they're really about like it's an environmental dysfunction that is leading to most of this melancholy. So they exhaust all possibilities before they go

Hey, there you go.

So I want a little miss mixing math.

Yeah yeah, well, and you know what about you. I I'll take what you just said.

Hey you get copy me.

Well it was a good it was a good idea.

Okay, you can come with me to the So.

Think that the Egyptians could have focused a just a little bit more like the like with ancient Chinese medicine on maybe like the acupuncture stuff, getting your organs figured out, your biosystem figured out, because you know, when you're sick, what do you do, Like when you blow in your tissue and you're like, oh, it's clear. At least I don't have an infection.

Yeah, when that black when that black bile shit comes out?

You've never seen black bile? Are they talking about shit?

I guess because when sometimes when you get diarrhea, you get that real weird looking bile.

Well, if you have blood in your stool, it can sometimes be black, you know, and yet your liver's messed up, or you have a blooded in.

Your it's like a dark brown dead blood cell color, which could be interpreted as black. While sure they.

They literally say look for black or bloody stools when you know, with some medical condition. Anyways, I do think there's a physical and mental aspect that needs to be addressed. But I do want to move on to medievil treatments. If you are if you're.

Down medieval treatments.

Starting with Europe, do you have any of.

I've got a list of more modern not so modern, but way more modern than medieval. So if you want to take this one, and if I have any thing I saw I could, I could insert.

Well, I would love your commentary on some of this, because Europe is really where this whole thing starts to reach a pinnacle of fucked up idness, because you know, they take all the cool stuff from all the other ancient cultures and to it they add torture to it.

It's just because it's medieval. I just assume that's where we're going to basically do so because some of the ship that we're doing in more modern than I'm going to cover seems medieval. Well, I'm curious to see if there's any open.

Clap or yeah, well so medieval treatments in Europe. Uh so. Conceptions of madness in the Middle Ages in Europe were a mixture of the divine, diabolical, magical, and transcendental. But they also use hippocrates theory of the four humors.

Hey, you just said it was his theory. What are you doing?

It's not right. They use the ancient Chinese theory of the yep. Black bio, yellow bioflm, and blood were UH used in injunction with faith healing in the Middle Ages touching hands. They also used UH treppening or whatever trepanation. The Jeff Dahmer treatment.

It just depends on where you're looking. It's either treppin or trepin.

They also used blood letting, whipping people to death, and burges.

They're big on that.

Yeah, And it was seen because the Middle Ages in Europe was predominantly Christian. It was seen as most likely being a spiritual issue. And so they would do the fasting, which can be beneficial, just saying fasting can be beneficial. But then they would use the whipping and then the trepidation.

Is those whips like they used on Jesus with the little.

The little cattails. Yeah, like in Da Vinci code. Yeah. So if none of those other treatments would work, the last ditch thing they would do is an ex So what are your thoughts on that?

Well, at least they tried all other options before they called in the exorcist. I guess, get your cattail whipping. If that doesn't do it, call in fucking what's his name from the exorcist?

Yeah, father O'Malley.

Father O'Malley's here to exercise your dam. I don't know why whenever I say father O'Malley always comes after. It's just a part of who I am.

So there was a dude named Bartholomew something.

Or other, poor guy for follow me something or other. You think the kids made fun of him.

This was in Europe, in the Middle Ages, and he comprised an encyclopedia. It's called something or other rectum and.

I'm not in another rectum. Let's do this. They propeteb tyab is a ridom. It's not even a rectum, smartass, it's r e Are you in rerum?

So it's an encyclopedia.

It's really that you can call her rectum.

It's a rect He wrote this rectum of mental illness, okay, And he distinguished between a natural born idiot that's what they were called, and uh a lunatic. And the term lunatic was applied to those with short periods of mental disorder temporary insanity, right, deriving from.

Only when the moon came out.

Well, the reason he used it is because in Roman mythology they would describe people as being moonstruck by the goddess Luna.

Good movie with moonstruck? Is that? Sure? Yeah?

But anyways, the theory was the influence of the moon. And he said these people with short term madness were lunatics and everybody else was just a natural born idiot.

Good good distinguishment, which.

Brings me to the episodes of mass dancing mania, which are reported from the Middle Ages.

To talk about this recently on an episode.

The Dancing Man, Yeah, well it's similar to they were referred to as lunatics.

But this this thing, maybe it was a cult. It might have actually been a cult conspiracy episode.

I think it was were we talking about this?

It wasn't It wasn't us. It was Jacob and Jonathan Shout Out Boys. They talked about it. I'm pretty fucking sure. Maybe it was Sam Tripley. I don't remember, but this was like one of the Oh I came across this when we were doing our cult.

Research the Dancing play. Yes, there was a laughing one too.

Yeah, and you remember in Legion where.

They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was I think that was based on that.

So, but what do you think about that there's dancing plagues, laughing plagues.

I mean, well, I wasn't gonna do it in this episode, but I think collective insanity is something that is still.

Rampant mass hysteria.

Well yeah, but even just collective insanity before like, what's his ass? Robert Malone gave it a name that the CIA told him to say, mass psychotic delusion or whatever.

I think anybody knows what the fuck was really going on though, with what the dancing plague?

No, that's not mass hysteria. It's legion. It's like a contagion. Yes, like I mentally agree with you. It's like little girls becoming boys because everybody in there click did it? Yeah, but I heard about this and it's come up again in podcasts I've listened to. But yeah, I totally forgot about it till you mentioned it.

Well, they call it mass delusion or mass hysteria, but I don't think anybody knows what the fuck was going on.

Maybe they maybe they just felt like dancing.

Well this this bartholomist said they were just lunatics.

Botholomy is something or other coming in with the explanation the moon made them do the moon.

Made him do it. But that's a little of an understanding they had about stuff.

You know. It's like, when you get about it, maybe they all took ecstasy.

They are were they seeing plagues in different parties?

They could have been eaten sassafras, But there were.

Dancing plgues with people who should have not even known about each other.

Like, yeah, I mean, you know how my mind works, I'm thinking, like mass glitch in the simulation, for some reason, groups of people all over the world just feel like dancing.

Really, that's your explanation, Well, what's yours? Mine is, uh, I'm just exploring.

I'm not dying on that hill.

Mine is that they've been conducting experiments on small civilizations people for longer than we day, the elusive.

Day, like the secret societies, the old people. I mean, I'm not obviously I'm not above that line of reasoning either. I think that that that's just as probable as the simulation glitch.

But so that was just one form of lunacy. Obviously, the lunatics could have been anything like a random outburst, the random you know whatever. They'd be like, oh, they're a lunatic whatever. So the care of these natural born idiots, I'm guessing that that means retarded people and uh, people who had temporary madness, lounies. They were under the responsibility of their family because at the time there was nothing to do with these people. Your family had to take

It started to.

Switch with the witch hunts because they decided that they could just kill people that were loonies and they didn't need to gain any spiritual insight from them, that it would be much easier for all of them to just die.

I mean, that is, as history breathes in and out, a solution that has come up again time and time.

Yeah. So at first it was like their families were taking care of them. They were trying to figure out what was wrong with them, they were trying to get some kind of spiritual insight. Then the witch hunts came about, and.

Then they went to purge. Yeah.

They were like, oh you're a witch, well we'll just drowned you. Oh you're a luney, well we'll just drowned you, burn you alive. Whatever, Just trying to basically take out the trash, and when that didn't work, they would take the lunatics and the idiots or whatever they were calling them to workhouses and poor houses and sometimes to these quote unquote new private mad houses. And so this is where the whole mad house thing became.

It's a mad house. Yeah, I'm glad we're switching into this area because I think the story really gets interesting.

With the mad houses. Yeah, me too, Right, so it goes witch hunt. Let's kill them all, just kidding. We can't kill all of them.

S built filing cabinets for this.

Let's build. And also if they were what they were referred to as a natural born idiot, they could still work in the workhouses and they could get some use out of them or in the poorhouses. And they were having these like mentally disabled people like building stuff around town and like not paying them.

And let explain some construction.

Well, no, think about it, Like what if somebody was just like barely like they were forced gup, you could get them a fucking job doing stuff.

Or because you told me to drill, sergeant.

So by the mid nineteenth century, there would be one hundred to five hundred inmates, as they called them, in each madhouse.

Well that's an accurate description what inmates.

Yeah, they weren't called patients. They weren't called they were called inmates. You know. So by the mid nineteen cent.

They hadn't really cleaned up up the language yet, like.

We do that. Yeah, well they're still in mass right.

This is an in treatment facility. It is not a prison, even though prisons are way fucking better to go to.

Yeah, I know a lot of cases. So the development of this network of madhouses has been linked to new capitalists, social relations, and a service economy that meant families were of.

That explains McDonald's. What McDonald's. There's always a retard sweeping the floor at McDonald's.

They retards at goodwill and all.

Kinds of good will too.

Yeah, but that would be their workhouse in the mid.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like there's still places there. Then, well what do you think they're making well?

And anyways, these these mad houses meant families were off the hook and not responsible for having to look after these.

That's why cabinets. Yeah, so mad.

Madness and the whole like mad houses thing suddenly became a trend and was commonly depicted in literary works, like with Shakespeare. It was kind of a fad like how it is now like everybody's got some type of mental illness. Everybody's like putting it out there. Like they were literally commercializing the mad house mid nineteenth century. And this is when, in my opinion, it went completely from therapeutic spiritualism possible you know, trepening and blood letting and prayers and all that.

Well, I'm kind of sad to say that we've passed the opportunity for me to talk about the wondering womb. What's the wondering Well, maybe we'll fit it in because yes, because I want to think like hysteria will come up. It does, okay, but we'll slip this article in there. But I have a lot on the mad house institution and uh thing, and I want to start here because even though when we think of these places today, we're not thinking of like a bright, cheery place, you have

Yeah?

These and two of American's poor story and like one flew over the Cuckoo's nest. So we'll talk about all of that in episode three. So don't think we're gonna leave pop culture out of this. But I want to start with an article about the first documented mental institution, as we will call them, but they called it a psychiatric word in the article.

Is this a mad house?

This is a psychiatric word, the first one on record, and it was in of all places, Muslim territory in Baghdad ninth century AD. So we're going way back. And you'll be surprised by this article because I heard that the first mental institution was in Baghdad in ninth century a D. And my curiosity was piqued, so I looked into it. And this is an article from the American Journal of Psychiatry Residence Journal. That's a little that's a

This was in the tenth century. Yeah, so this was even before what I got.

Yeah, this goes way back, which is why I was compared held by it, because obviously this model did come back, but it was already here and left. While working as the director of hospital in Baghdad, Mo introduced the concept of psychiatric words as a place to care for patients with mental illness. According to his views, mental disorders should

Well, that's nothing like what I was going to talk about.

No, I just wanted to insert this because we're talking about the first documented psychiatric word slash institutions.

He's going off of like what we talked about with the Egyptians and the Chinese, like taking care of people.

And he's even before that move into like an intreatment, just before.

The move into what I was going to bring.

Up, well nineteen but yeah, what I'm saying, and I think I think it's important that we show a success from well, yeah, that fucking long ago, because.

That you were about to read the Horrides.

Thing when I and I'll just say this is my preconceived bias. When I saw bag Dad ninth century a D. I was expecting torture chambers, which is more for the Yeah, come up, and that's more akin to what we have today. Just to show you that fucking what, nine hundred years after Christ they had this shit figured out in the fucking Middle East.

Well, that's very interesting and.

We're still working our way back to that. I mean, he even had like a government social program for these people when they let them give them money.

Yeah, but why do you think if that was if that happened in the tenth century, when we get to the nineteenth century, it's a complete contrast.

Well, I'll just sum it up with the last paragraph. Whoever wrote this article said both psychiatric residents and trainees alike can learn from his approach to serving patients with compassion and understanding, and that was not present in these institutions that we're going to get into today. And I mean, I think that contributing factors are a mile high. The economy of the time, the mental attitude of.

Took a nose dive after that as a society.

Yeah, I mean, let's get into it, because I have an article. It's not even an article, it's just basically a chart that shows when this shit came to America. But I think you're gonna start talking about like kind of Europe and shit first, right with the madhouses.

Well, because well, let me just start with this. What that article you just read that was the tenth century. Right by the time we get to the nineteenth century, we've taken a fucking nosedive into the abyss.

Yeah, we're talking a thousand years. I'm just saying, like, we could have figured, we could.

Have had the chance to figure this out, and we just always fuck ourselves.

The compassion and the understanding and the model is absent.

So by the uh nineteenth century, these public asylums, as they were called, were absolutely barbaric. The most popular, most notable one is called bedlam. Had you ever heard of it?

Yeah?

So they would actually let spectators pay a penny to watch inmates be tortured as some form of entertainment.

Not shocked.

I'm gonna dive a little bit further into that when we get to talking about the asylums themselves. But so the nineteenth century, in the context of industrialation, industrialization, and population growth, saw a massive expansion of the number and size of insane asylums in every Western country, in a process called the Great Confinement or the Asylum Era. So that's when it came to the US. Is that what you got?

I have seventeen fifty two?

So is that in the nineteenth century.

Nineteenth century would be like eighteen hundreds.

Really, Yeah, So that's what I got was the Asylum era.

Yeah. So the Asylum era is eighteen ninety, so we're talking ten years before the nineteenth or the Yeah, let me just break this down because if we're moving into America now, which it looks like we are on your notes. Yes, so this is from the National Library of Medicine. It is a dot gov website, so do with that with what you will. This is the timeline of early psychiatric hospitals and asylums. The mentally ill and early America communities

It's still open. Yeah, I bet it's haunted.

Seventeen ninety two in New York, New York, the New York Hospital opened a ward for curable insane patients. In eighteen oh eight, a free standing medical facility was built nearby for the humane treatment of the mentally ill, and in eighteen twenty one, a larger facility called the blooming Dell Asylum was built in in what is now the Upper West Side the Uppavast Side in eighteen ninety four, it has moved further away to the suburb of White Plains and it is currently under opper is the Paine

All of these places were, despite the description, completely brutal to this.

Well, it didn't hold back. In the Philadelphia well, they.

All were doing it.

It was complete with shackles attached to the walls.

Yeah.

Eighteen seventeen, Philadelphia were going back to Philly. In Philadelphia, the Asylum for the Relief of Persons Deprived of the use of their reason. They really worded up, yeah, was opened under Quaker auspices as a private mental hospitals. It continues to serve this function to this day as the Friends Hospital. Come hang out with your friends. You can have a warm glass of shit. The hell app eighteen

Because this is what I'm talking about with the asylum era stuff. They were beating people, whipping them, they were chaining them up, they were starving them. I mean, I know that article made it just sound like, Oh, they opened hospitals and they were they were awful to those people. Yeah.

And then if we get into some of the reasons that you could have to go to one of these places, it starts to ga even more bleak.

Uh Yeah, like being.

Gay, having a father who's an alcoholic, being black, Yeah, Kanye.

But actually it's during this era, thence the asylum era eighteen seventy six to eighteen eighty, that the notion of female hysteria became popularized. Are you familiar with female hysteria and its treatment?

Do you have any answer that?

Honestly, no, let me just say what it is, because I think I told you already. But so, the hysteria was a medical diagnosis given to women exhibiting a wide range of symptoms, including anxiety, depression, moods, wings, headaches, and even fainting spells anxiety. The term itself derived from the Greek word hysteria, meaning uterus. Uh. It was believed to be linked to a woman's reproductive system and its wandering imbalances.

And you said you didn't have this in your notes. No, this is wandering. Yeah, yeah, you just said the uterus and it's wandering in quotes or imbalances. So you know about the wandering uterus?

Is it the same?

Did you read that right there? It is believed to be linked to a woman's reproductive system, the uterus, and it's wandering or imbalances. Yes, so I have the wandering.

But what you're talking about You said it was ancient Egypt or something.

No, I said that Hippocrates talked about it. Well, this was way act so, but they did look into it back then, and I'll give an overview. I mean I could pull up the article, but it's kind of seered into my brain.

God.

Well, back in Hippocrates days. They fucking talked about how everybody thought the uterus was like a living bean inside of another bean, and they thought it was like an animal that roamed and it was enticed by certain smells. So like an overact of person's uterus was said to have wondered too high, and they would entice it with pleasant smells to get it back into the upper puss area.

Why does everybody think?

So that makes more sense about what you're about to talk about. It's also like that theovont coult we were talking about, what where they would like give them massages and then give him a finger finish.

Yeah, yeah, what is all these ancient cultures And even in the eighteen eighties, it's like, oh, women are so crazy. It's they're uterine.

I mean, it is the missing link.

But so the treatment for the female hysteria was a pelvic massage.

A front rub, hashtrag, what's his name?

There is something I want to talk about with this. It was part of a conversation we were having.

But you need a front rub?

No but so. Victorian doctors, sometimes assisted by midwives, performed manual stimulation of female patients genitals to induce a hysterical paroxysm, which is now recognized as an orgasm.

I prefer the term hysterical parocism over female orgasm. That's a myth.

So this was supposed to alleviate hysteria, but as demand for this treatment increase, doctors reportedly grew tired and developed early vibrating devices to assist in the process. And these devices were initially marketed as medical tools before transitioning to personal use and so out of the asylum era, one good thing came out of it, So fellers, the vibrator.

If you come home late at night after working your ass off for ten days solid and you see your ladies vibrator plugged in, that bitch is crazy.

It's a medical device.

Hysteria.

I have hysteria.

Fucking what's it called self medication?

You should feel sorry for me that I have a medical problem.

I was talking hypothetical. Did that never happened to us?

Right, you're right, that never happened. But you remember what you said? You said, can you imagine what the Victorian era puss smelled like?

That had nothing to do with this, Yes, it was.

You said, can you imagine? Oh no, you said, the reason that they had hysteria is because in the Victorian era their husbands were too pump chumps and they weren't going down on them because Victorian puss smelled Bud.

I think you're tying a lot of different parts of conversations together.

Are you sure. I'm pretty sure. It's when we were talking, I said, have you ever heard about I.

Said that the husbands were too pump chumps.

That's why they had hysteria.

That's why they never got off. Yeah, hysteria could just be labeled sexual or exprustration sctual frustration. They didn't have the vibrating hogs back then. You had to use like a stick, go find a perfectly shaped carrot in.

The fridge, masturbated like, just as.

Long as humans have been around, masturbation has been a thing. Male masturbation, though all across the board, female male them's these they.

Have to go to the clinic because.

It's just not the same unless someone else is doing it.

Anyways, I think Victorian posts probably smelled better than modern day puss. That's all I'm saying.

If you could get past the pubic care, which hey, I'm not against the pibes.

You know, it's supposed to be there for cleanliness reasons. Pubes, Yeah, to keep stuff out.

Oh yeah, those critters, Yeah, they get distracted by the jungle.

That's that's what they say.

Okay.

Anyways, they sure had a heck of a lot cleaner diet.

Than we have now, and the other pH was probably a little bit more on point without all the refined sugars and well.

Also, what I was saying to you is, if you've ever been into a public women's restroom, you will know that there's no way a Victorian puss could smell worse than a twenty twenty five puss.

It's insane, a.

Homeless twenty twenty five puss and all they eat is like McDonald's and Taco bell and then they go into the public restrooms to clean up. Smell one of those pusses and tell me if you'd not rather have a Victorian. Feel like we've strayed, good, all right, So we're talking about the asylum era. So it was also around this time numerous different classification schemes and diagnostic terms were developed by different authorities taking an increasingly anatomical clinical descriptive approach.

Yeah, but they were saying his approach falls under the psychiatry, even though they weren't calling it that back then. They were calling it baclava Muhammad Ali. Yeah, No, they weren't calling it psychiatry. But they're just pointing out that they clearly were practicing it, even though they didn't have the same name for it.

So in this era, the asylum superintendents later were renamed psychiatrists, and they were they used to be called alienists because they were thought to deal with people alienated from society, but then they later became known as psychiatrists. But they didn't actually have any medical training. They were just asylum superintendents.

They're tratchet Yeah.

And that was the first psychiatrists. But so in the United States, it was proposed that black slaves who tried to escape had a mental disorder termed drape domainia drape domania, which is the belief that slavery was such an improvement upon the lives of slaves that only those suffering from some form of mental illness would try to escape. So what was the treatment for drape domania.

Whippings?

Uh to death.

Actually, well, that'll cure it.

Because apparently the you know, the treatment worked because they never received any.

Complaints and they never ran again. Good cures all around.

But this is what you were talking about when you said it became a little bit blurry as to why people were getting admitted into the asylums. So if a black slave tried to run away, they would say he had drape domania and whip him to death in an asylum.

Or if a woman didn't have dinner on the table when her husband got home for work, she was hysterical. So we will talk about once you get into these places, good luck get now.

Literally the slaves were just taken there to die and they would say they had drake domania. So this is where I was saying I agree with you. The line between an it's insane person and just somebody you're trying to get rid of. That line started to blur big time during this era.

Yeah, a lot of people would call other people mentally insane if they just wanted to get them put away, Like enemies could call you insane, and if they were convincing enough, you were put in the filing cabinet.

Yeah. So in Nazi Germany, the institutionalized mentally ill were among the earliest targets of sterilization campaigns and covert euthanasia programs. They should have been inducted into the Church of Euthanasia. It's been estimated that over two hundred thousand individuals with mental disorders of all kinds were put to death all the so their mass murder has received relatively little historical attention. And this is during the asylum era. So and now,

You in a Yeah. I mean, well, I hate to piss people off, but Jewish people like to have a monopoly on what was going on back then, and they were a part of it, no doubt about it. But it was more of people over here funding a huge experiment. Yeah, we can go to the Bush family and all of the central banks funding this Nazi research that may not have even been Nazi research, but they did take the fall for it. There were camps, and yeah, I wasn't

So they literally had establishments for everyone eth asia programs, they had sterilization programs.

And it's almost like these concentration camps were a more honest representation of what the mental institutions were doing too. But it was a state sanctioned torture program, and yeah, it continues to this day. So yeah, I mean, I would say a lot of the treatments probably came right out of that Nazierra.

Yeah, sterilization, euthanasia, whipping, beating, change.

I mean, there's a starving. There's a fuzzy line when it comes to the history of the lobotomy, but I guarantee you they tried to perfect in these camps.

Okay, well I get that's the next thing I was, did you have anything.

For Well, yeah, I want to get into some of these methods and we're going to finish on the lobotomy and then we can swing it back to you. Okay, but I have two short articles to read. This one is from Saint Finnshospital dot com. Yeah, this just might be some weird publication, but it's Saint Finnan's Hospital in Killarney in Ireland. Looking back at some of the treatments. You mean doing any Irish accent, I'd rather not looking back.

Show the picture on the screen.

I don't know if it'll pick it up. Way there I go.

Nice.

Halleran put together a catalog of treatments that he used at the Lunatic Asylum in Cork and published the descriptions with illustrations. Now I'm gonna fast forward This is another method that comes up a lot in like the tortuous ways. It's called hydrotherapy. Sounds like it'd be nice. Well, you could go to the sauna, get your cold plunge in right. Hydro Therapy was a popular method of This is from

I've seen this though in movies.

Old packs. No hydrotherapy, What about the sheets? No?

But I will tell you it's nothing like what they're describing right there.

Well, this seems to be in favor of right, This gets pretty fucking dark. So this is from new histories, lobotomy, insulin coma therapy, electric shock, and cortisol, the miracle cures question mark.

Well, I got a lot to talk about lobotomis.

Well, this is going to be the segue into the lobotomy.

But I just wanted to let you know. The hydrotherapy, from what I have seen depicted, is nothing like that description. Okay, they would put you in a tank with boiling hot water.

Yeah, it seems like they would do extremes. Yeah, old and hot, but.

They would zipper you up in there, and then they would like so you couldn't get out, and they would leave you in there. It's apparently for hours or days.

Or well, that article was very weirdly worded and it said from one day to several days, sometimes even overnight. Well, yeah, days implies many overnights, many overnight.

But yeah, they would you couldn't get out. It wasn't like you were just soaking in the tub with some rose petals and some fucking basalts. They would just boil you for days or freeze you with just your head sticking out.

Yeah. Me, anybody knows you're getting a hot tub for over an hour you're hydrated. Yeah, especially you've been drinking a little briskies.

Anyways, just wanted to throw that out there.

Yeah. I mean, I'd never have seen it done other than in movies, so I'm not sure. But the one that got me was getting these sheets at different temperatures of water and wrapping them around people. I mean, imagine if you had like a claustrophobic.

Patient, Well, imagine just your head sticking out of the tub and getting boiled for days.

Yeah. All right, So this again is called the bottomy, Insulin coma therapy, electroshock, and cortisol the miracle cures question mark. In nineteen thirty six, Antonio Egasimonies proposed the lobotomy, a form of brain surgery that physicians believed provide a cure

Well, it's hilarious, actually. I mean, this is why I said the asylum era was the end of spirituality in the beginning of everything's just.

Medicine, and that's just That's when I also said that it started to get really fucking dark. Yeah, I mean, I think I'd take a couple chunks of skull out of my head over this shit.

That's what I'm saying. Little blood letting, come on. I you know, before I was pregnant, I let blood out all the time. It helped with my hysteria apparently.

Okay, so yeah, they believe that schizophrenia couldnot occur with epilepsy in one person. Far less research existed in support for this therapy, but as it was cheaper then ict was in regular use. Due to immensephere expressed by patients that underwent this treatment, Cortisol injections were soon replaced with electroshock therapy, still in use today. In its early days, electroshock therapy was significantly more dangerous than it is now.

They admitted it's gonna say, whoever wrote this article sucks.

Yeah, they're shilling, but they are, but they do give a good information. Then they just turned tail.

Okay, but that's not I mean, they're like, what they're not also saying is that the reason why electroshock therapy is still used today is that's the reason they were using it back then. Okay, and it's at a much lesser voltage by the way, No, it's it still doesn't work. What I'm saying, though, is they're still allowed to use it, but they've had to like tone it down to like

So I doubt they even do lobotomies anymore. They were out on the level.

Well, here's the thing about lobotomis and I'll try to sum it up quick because I know we've been at this for a while now, but it's all a very important information. The guy that you just mentioned, Antonio Monez. You ever seen a picture of him? No, he looks like sloths from the Goodies. The motherfucker looks like he needs a lobotomy anyway.

Maybe he tested it on himself first.

He's the originator of the botomy. But a lot of people don't know this, but the procedure of the lobotomy was modified and what they called championed and perfected quote unquote by a dude named Walter Freeman.

Okay, Walter.

So he performed the first lobotomy at a mental hospital in the United States in nineteen thirty six. Antonio was performing them in Berlin and it was a completely different jure. Yeah, so he got the Nobel Prize for what the work he was doing in Berlin with the lobotomy that he created, but it never made it to the States because Walter changed it, americanized it. And that's the lobotomy that we had in the States.

It's like what we did with sushi and pizza.

But so its use increased dramatically from the early nineteen forties and into the nineteen fifties, and by nineteen fifty one, almost twenty thousand lobotomies had been performed in the US thanks to Walter, not Antonio, because we didn't use his method whatsoever. And anytime you watch a movie, anytime you see something in a documentary about lobotomy, it's Walter's lobotomy, not Antonio's. So more lobotomies were performed on women than on men, and a nineteen fifty one study found that

Well, we all know about the old Kennedy family secret that's not so secret. But JFK's younger sister, I believe she was born in like forty one. You think she was in her early twenties. But one thing that isn't talked about a lot. I've learned recently is that when her mom was giving birth to her, the doctor was late or something, and the midwife told her to cross her legs and the kid was.

Coming out oxygen deprivation.

So she was always a little off. But then their idea was to lobottomize her, and she was bab got the Walter, but she was basically one of the you know, there's all sorts of results that happen. Sometimes it makes the people more fucking reactive. Sometimes it vegetizes them. And that's what it did to the Kennedy gal. Should I look her name up we're talking about Yeah.

While you do that, I'm going to read a little bit more about the H. Walter lobotomi. So here's a

He did like the fast food model.

Yes, but that's the only one that we practiced in the US. That's why the results were so fucked up. So the transorbital approach involved placeding a orbito classed as it's called, which was basically just a little tiny ice pick in under the eyelid and against the top of the eye socket, and then they would just take a mallet and drive the ice pick through the thin layer

So this guy's name was Walter. Yeah you think he ever was like, I get you a lobotomy by three o'clock. That's okay, so willhelm on in here.

Basically he would electroshock them and then put the ice pick into their eyeball, tap it with the mallet, get up into the brain and just start scribbling shit around. So Walter later traveled across the United States visiting mental institutions and in nineteen fifty one, one of his patients out at Iowa Cherokee Mental Health Institute died when he stopped to take a picture during the procedure and he went too far into the patient's brain and killed them.

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Why And despite the fact that he had no formal surgical training, he was still able to perform four thousand lobotomies.

This kind needs to be in a horror movie.

And as many as one hundred of his patients died of cerebral hemorrhage. And so he has no formal medical training. Right, what's this dude's story? How is he able to do this? So he comes from a family of upper echelons from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He attended Yale University, not for medicine, and his grandfather was some kind of a general in the Civil War.

Yeah, and he's of it. You mentioned an upper echelon family out of Philly, out of Pennsylvania, So yeah, this does week of spook connections.

I think that they were just conducting big experiments on.

Well it wasn't an experimental yes, but also you're eradicating a large portion of the population. Yeah, you're basically turning them into useless eaters who just probably most like we were talking about. Rosemary was their name, Kennedy. She was lobotomized at twenty three and then was institutionalized for the rest of her life.

But she got the Walter. Yeah, because they only performed the Walter in the US, the one that the guy that won the Nobel Prize, the uh what's his name, uh, Antonio manz whatever. His procedure was completely different than what Walter was doing.

So it's funny that they just shift all of it to him.

Yeah, why isn't anybody talking about the fact that there there was never one lobotomy performed using Antonio's method in the US. Walter heard about it and was like, fuck all that we could do this without even any anesthesia or doctors in the room. Let me just put a fucking ice pick in this person's eyeball, tap it a couple times, and then scramble their brain. That the Walter method is in all the pop culture movies when they stick it in and they tap it and they get up into the that's Walter.

Yeah, he wasn't a doctor.

Walter was not a fucking doctor. How is that? How was that either?

Well? And I imagine he was going around just showing everybody how to do it too. Yes, so yeah, you watch one flew over the Kouka's nest, which we'll go into extensively in the last episode. But yeah, it's uh, it's some dark ass shit. I mean, it's basically attempted murder, at at the very least on patients as young as four. And I can't imagine who the fuck in their right mind would hand their child over to have that done. That. Those people need to be lobotomized in a very painful way.

I mean, if so, if they couldn't get him with the lobotomy, they use those other forms of treatment that you mentioned, insulin shock therapy, electroconvulsive therapy, neurolliptic drug therapy. So that's gonna wrap us up for what I had for part one, the Loboto Matrix.

Yeah, I did want to briefly go over before we close out. This reporter Nellie Bly, who many of you have probably heard of. Well, basically, she was an undercover reporter and she got the job by pitching this story to the newspaper. And she got into this institution and her overall stay was ten days. But while she was in there, she understood that, you know, they weren't fucking around.

He's going to say, I think it's actually still happening.

I mean, mental institutions aren't a big thing, although Donald Trump is talking about bringing them back.

We need worlds fairs and more mental institutions make America great agains. Seeing girl interrupted.

I don't know if he could sit through a movie. But anyway, to close the episode out, I wanted to read that article about that African guy because I think it's just a good wrap up of like these different perspectives on mental illness and the route that Western society took and has is continuing to take. And we will get into more modern day mental illness and our societal reaction to it, probably in the next episode. All right, This is from Mad in America, written in June tenth,

Yeah, well, let me do I actually made a note in my phone as you were reading that because it reminded me of something else I want to talk about in the next episode. But do you think, like I can get on with what this guy's saying.

So I've always said that our fucking culture, our society. He calls them sensitive people. I would just say more people are just opened And so a lot of this stuff does drive people that if they grew up in this guy's village, they wouldn't be fucking crazy.

You know what supports that theory. You can take a normal person like you or I.

In induce normal.

Listen, and induce psychosis with drugs. That's why I asked you, like, do you think every homeless person is just schizophrenic or psychopathic or whatever they're mentally ill. No, they started out as a normal person and they and they opened themselves up.

Well, yeah, a large proportion of the homeless population does fall into that. I would say it's really nuanced, but that's a huge part of it.

But you know what, I'm saying, like, maybe, sure, some some homeless people started off mentally ill and did drugs and now they're worse off. But for the most part, like when you see when you pass a homeless person there and they're talking to themselves and they're shouting stuff out and whatever, they didn't start off like that.

And even if they did, it would have been treated differently in a different culture. It would have been nurtured instead of stigmatized, you know, right, Well, that's half of the problem I think here is when people are experiencing something that the collective isn't experiencing, they're shunned, even if they're like nurtured in a way, but they're still shunned. And you're never gonna get good results with that. No, I don't think it's possible.

You're never gonna get good results by numbing it with medication.

Yeah, either, yeah, you can like bury it down. And then in the event where that person doesn't have access to medication somehow, which could.

Happen, they have a psycho outbreak.

So yeah, you're you're now on the pharmaceutical teat for effort of days or it could get ugly. I mean, just look at all the medical shortages we had during the COVID bullshit.

Well, so that's why in the next episode, I want to touch on several things. I want to talk about some notorious asylums. I want to talk about psychiatry now, I want to talk about pharmaceuticals. And I want to talk about what would this doctor so May or however you pronounce his name, what doctor so May is talking about? Is this world that we're living in, like we have turned it into an industry. We've turned it into cogs

All the people you know, okay, close people, family members of yours. Think of how many of them are on some kind of psych medicine. A lot of them, I mean, i'd say more are than aren't at this point.

And your family too.

I'm talking about my family. I'm talking about maybe some of my family who isn't should probably be like you never fucking know, I mean, yeah, I could glitch out at sixty and fucking need some of this shit. Well, I'm just saying they're there.

We have not addressed the underlying cause, and we throw pills down people's throats.

By episode three, we will tell you the underlying cause.

I did a pretty good job.

That's the most help well. Like I said, I wanted to interject like the transition, but I think it worked better closing out the episode with it, because that kind of gives a tangent that we could go off on next episode, because it is his theme needs to be overriding all of this, because he even talks in spiritual language.

Yeah that Oh yeah, it works every time.

But you know, and maybe sometimes it does, but it's not designed to I can tell you that, right.

Yeah, what what are we? Are we using a code word for Randy Smoke? Who the guy the the shooting? No?

Are you putting this on YouTube?

No? So usually when you see school shooters and shit like that, they're all on serotonin inhibitors, and.

Babe, it's not usually, it's always. But what I'm saying is if they're never not SSRIs, some kind of behavioral modification pharmaceutical drug for sure, all of them. The fucking if there's a scandal with the fucking uh Columbine shooters, there was a scandal with the fucking drug company that at least one of those kids was on, if not both of them. I know one of them was for sure.

So again, if that was the answer to mental illness, we would have figured it out already.

Ship we'd all be on them.

But it's not. No, But yeah, so what do you what do you think? It? Just final thoughts for the loboto matrix segment.

Uh, don't go get a lobotomy, probably not unless that's your thing. And uh yeah, we will definitely have a juicy beginning to next episode. Some of the stuff we were going to talk about before this one became almost three hours long. It'll all flow together. And I mean, I think these are thoughts that in our modern day world, just walking up in the middle of the fucking street of a city, you're going to see mental illness more

And yeah, something else I want to talk about in the next episode is also how the if anybody out there is listening to this and their child is autistic, do not take this personally. But I do feel like there is a big push to normalize it some type of superpower.

And I mean they are extraordinary people, don't get me wrong, But it's not the next step in evident, it's not unless.

What else I I want to say is what people need to understand is that this uptake in autistic children is caused from the uptake in the nineties of introducing a bunch of unnecessary vaccines.

Oh you look where you're going r f K Junior. I would have a thing or two to say.

Do you not agree?

Of course I do. It's not a superpowerful And I also want to say something that I don't believe that the people who think this modern, this very new view that maybe this autism is like a superpower and the next step in human development. I would bet my bottom fucking dollar that the parents of autistic kids would be the first one to tell you fuck off of that I have to deal with this shit every day, day in and day out, and this is not a normal thing.

Do you think that they would admit that childhood?

Oh I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to speak for anybody on that, but I do know people who have to interact with autistic people on a daily basis, and they don't look at it as an upgrade.

I don't look at that.

Oh yeah, I'm just saying when you were, like to any parents out there, I would think that they would agree with us. If not, medical people bomb herrass hard in the comments that they're wrong.

Well, I just have I've met a couple recently who think that it's the next step in the evolution. And that's fair if they think.

That autistic kids, yes, okay, hey, if that's the mild.

Form of autism where they have like some kind of voluntism like that could be considered to be like some type of you know, the ability to do things that the average person would struggle with. I understand you thinking that could be a superpower. But just on the day today autistic children have I think the rise in autistic children occurred around the rise of unnecessary childhood vaccine schedules. It's not I think I.

Think there's probably a lot of stuff contributing to it. I think we're gonna talk some MK ultra next time. And I think that there's a huge overlap of like that guy you like to talk about in Urie Geller, Oh Andrea, all these guys have a reason to push this narrative. It's very pharmaceutical, it's very Golden Age technocratic. It's it's very ugly. And if this ship was supposed to happen as the nation the natural advancement of the human society, it wouldn't have taken those measures to make

They can bring that back at any time. I'm so sick to fucking death of this ship that they've been putting out.

Just listen to the good stuff. The Laurel Canyon sy to the good stuff.

But I'm just saying I could use the revival of the good CIA music.

I'm sure they got something cooking.

So with that being said, I think this is a good conclusion for the Loboto Matrix. Thank you for listening all the way to the end. This was a longer one. I hope we can bring the fire for the next episode. It is going to be the Conspira Asylum Part two Schizopharmiac segment. But thank you so much for listening. And there is one very important, vital piece of information I need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible.

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