BREAKDOWN- SHAKEDOWN: Edward Scissorhands

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Alright, everyone, you know what it is. I have your favorite guest for movies again tonight. And I'm actually really excited about this one because not only is it a Christmas movie, but this would be what our third Tim Burton movie, our second Tim Burton movie that we've.

Definitely there seems to be a trend here, say the Tim Burton or it's Johnny Depp. There's a wee correlation going.

On there because we did the ninth Gate that's correct, Yeah, yeah, okay, yes, but it's Drew. Everybody knows him and loves him. Drew. How are you.

I'm fantastic, mat doing really really well, great news recently personally.

So yeah, I was gonna say, you want to share with the class.

Or no, No, it's certainly out there in the eighth and now my wife and I are expecting our first baby. So we're over the moon about that. We're very exciting.

And my predictions are a ginger Jedi, So we will see if I'm correct or not. It's gonna come out and it's gonna know so much about movies and have just a bunch of useless trivia about Johnny Depp when it pops out.

Yeah, it's already got that subconsciously planted in. It's Brian both right.

Yeah. Well, congratulations, I'm so excited for you. I guess we'll be taking a break from podcasting for a while after the baby gets here.

Huh, Yeah, I dare say so. I've had a bit of a break recently, but starting's caught a few things now, this being one of them. First time back in a little while, so I'm glad that it's back with you, Julia, to ease me back in.

Yeah, and of course we're gonna bring the fires. Since it's been a while since you've been on a show. I'm sure you have like a bunch of pent up conspiracy angst that you need to release. But we are actually going to cover Edward Scissorhands tonight. Definitely one of my favorites. I do think it's a Christmas movie because it takes place around Christmas, and you know, it's got like the whole snowy whatever at the end. But maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's a Halloween movie. I don't know.

Yeah, my wife adamantly argued it wasn't a Christmas movie last night, and she deliberately showed me the timestamp in which we first see Christmas. But I agree, if it has at least a bare minimum a scene of Christmas in it, it's fine. Christmas set in North America. It's a Christmas This is not I get it.

Yeah, like Gremlins and die Hard, those are the ones that everybody argues about, but they are Christmas movies.

So take count.

Well, how do you want to get started? You want to talk a little bit about the movie? You want to jump right into like a synopsis in the names. How you want to do this?

I think we should talk about the context of the film itself. Okay, this jumped off the screen for me just looking at it. Edwards siss Hands takes many cultural and historically significant tale from both relatively modern stories all the way back into the ancient times and combine them in this very new yet very familiar story we get. What we get is we're presented with like a modern day take on Pinocchio. On its first glance, we've got this eccentric man inventor who fashions himself a son from

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You don't have to hide from me.

I'm as harmless as cherry prop. Those are your hands, Those are your hands. I think you should just come home with me. Joyce, I just saw this strange guy driving with peg.

Did you get a good look at her? Hi scissors?

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Ed Can This is Edward who's going to live with us?

Well this must be quite a change for.

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Don't tell them? He's a highly imaginative character. It seems clear that his awareness of what we call reality is radically under development.

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From Tim Burton comes the most incredible tale of a most unusual character, Edward Scissor Hands.

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Well, yeah, I agree with you, and I we're gonna go in that direction. So I have a couple backup grand theories for you that you can tell me, you know how stupid they are later. But it's actually some stuff that I found about. Okay. So there's two theories. I'm just gonna give them to you now because I agree with you. But this is what people are saying, right do you? You know how they always try to sneak a little bit of like woke shit in there, or like make stuff about like a race war and

Is about, uh race and how white people versus Okay, So here's the theory.

Okay. Edward SCISSORHNDS does do a great job of showing a cookie cutter, which is referenced in the film Cookie Cutter Like Pastel Suburbia, where the men work like nine to five jobs and the women are all gossiping and shit like that, but they're actually like really cruel and selfish and like crazy, and they do this virtue signaling and they probably all have their COVID boosters, and fucking the good guy at the end of the movie is

I think this is almost like the verbs how we say that these types of stories get thrown into these modern day university lecturers courses about cultural studies and racial and equity and these sorts of things. I saw pretty much your exact same theory you just told me, but instead of about being race, it was about being neurodivergent, and that edwards'zans fits the role of someone with Asperger syndrome. That's why it doesn't.

Feel God, doesn't that remind you of the groups? So that article you found about like, it's the same thing they try to put like they they try to cover it with like some woke shit like, oh no, you guys got it wrong. Edward Scissorhands is about black people versus white people, and that's why the title sequences in Black and White, and the black guy at the end of the movie is the only normal, sane, good person and all the white people are crazy evil and like

I think it has some premise and if you look at it just on its like it's an initial level on the first scale and he can go down multiple lays. I think it fits. There's aspects of this which I think tie into gnosticism in the early Church, which I'll get into later. But it has, let's say, elements of the Christ and the whole idea of maybe the Trinity,

Recky. Yeah, that's kind of how I thought too. I was like, Okay, they're trying to like make Tim Burton be this like kind of like you were saying, gnostic kind of telling this story. But I don't know. There are many layers to the movie. In the story itself and before we dive right into it. You know, I always have some fun facts about the movie. So Tom Cruise, Michael Jackson, Jim Carrey, Tom Hanks, and Robert Downey Junior were up for the part of Edward Scissor Hands. I

Trol running around the mountain.

Yeah, oh my god. Can you imagine him and the Edward Scissor Hands get up like.

Little kid hands because that'd be too small.

Scars because he looks like a toddler.

But this is the first film that Johnny Depp and Burton worked on together, Terry, where they initially struck up their friendship.

Colby says Tom Cruise decided he didn't want the role because it wasn't a pretty role. Quote.

Yeah, he's a pretty face boy, isn't he.

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Yeah, and he would he would have never had all those fucking scars on it his face and ship, I.

Don't know, don't even have a symmetrical face. How can he talk his tooths like off to the side, I know, right, But.

So Edward Scissor Hands was also supposed to be a musical, kind of like uh Sweeney Todd, which is also Johnny Depp. But I can't see it being a musical. I think that would have ruined it. I don't really good for that reason.

I can say, maybe you can see the elements or the prey curses to night Mare before Christmas. It's very burnesque, you could say it. With a few of them swakes and changes, it very well could have been a musical.

But I'm glad to but yeah, yeah, you're right actually there, and you know, I'm sure they would have come up with some great fucking songs, but I'm glad that it didn't happen. If I'm just being honest, I actually think the I think it's the song they use at the very end and the very beginning of the movie. It's kind of like anytime I hear it, I know exactly

He didn't attack a vacuum clean I said, maybe that was a deleted scene. Well, I've got a dig you know fact for you, and this is a Tim Burton one, So I hope I'm not stepping on your dicky, Julia, but step by the idea for the movie was inspired by drawings that Tim Burton made when he was a teenager.

Yeah, and you know what, Okay, so that'll bring me kind of into my next fun fact. Would you might have come across this too, But I thought it was really interesting because the inventor's castle is in the movie is based on the California Institute of the Arts, like that was Tim Burton's choice right, and the school sits on a hill overlooking suburban neighborhoods of Santa Clarita, California. But guess who one of the fucking founders of uh, the California Arts Institute is.

H guess I'm gonna throw a wild guess at there, based on some of my theories on this one. Is it a prominent Mormon.

It's actually Walt fucking Disney. And Okay, so there were a bunch of catastrophes that happened while they were trying to build the institute, and Walt Disney actually got his brothers involved in it and eventually went on to fire people off the board of trustees and replaced them with his family members, and the assistant program director for the Arts and Humanities of the Rockefeller Foundation was appointed the

To the Garden often.

But yeah, and so it's like if we're going with like the Christ story and he and he created this guy in the fucking Walt Disney Castle, and I don't know, it's just, you know, its weird and occulty.

There's just too much of it to exist for your average film or arts university student. It doesn't make sense that they've got all this esoteric knowledge unless they've been read into it.

And did you see the castle? It was like demonic gargoyles and demons statues, and like it's base He's start in the California Arts Institute. Like that says a lot in and of itself, if that's the inspiration he got from it, you know.

Which is very ironical with one of the statues that I'm going to tie into my theory later on, very prominent statue. Would you like me to go through the synopsis and then get into some of that name.

Magic, Yes, absolutely, okay.

Edward Scissorhands is the nineteen ninety fancy melodrama written and directed by Tim Burton. Is a modern day fairy tale which tells the story of Edward, a man created by an eccentric inventor who died before finishing him. Edward has left incomplete with sisters where his hands should be. One day, when a local Avon lady, a representative named Peg calls it the historic mansion where he's been living alone, she

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Opening title sequence is black and white. I think there's some clues in the title sequence that we can get into later, but first I want to hear about the names.

Okay, Edward isn't given a surname in this It's just scissor hands, so just take that for what you will. Edward is derived from the Old English words ade, meaning fortune, and ward meaning guard. Edward directly translates to a wealthy guard. Edward is the moncular creation of a wealthy inventor. He has guarded the mansion for an unknown amount of time. As he moves into the town, he distances hisself from protecting the physical mansion to his new love interest of

Oh shit, that's a good one. I figured there was something to do with the avon. And you know, I got one for you, actually, and I hope you'll be proud of me. But so, do you remember the the lady that well, of course you remember, but the red haired lady that was trying to fuck everybody in the movie. And she initiated the barbecue, and she's Joyce, and she kept mentioning this ambrosious salad and she says it like

Hi?

You all are hadding in there like a bunch of all hermicrab Hi Joyce, huh does the barbecue again? Barbecue where you intend to show your guest hospitality by introducing him to your friends, don't you.

Will bring the ambrosia salad. My name's Joyce, and I noticed that you have not tasted any of the ambrosia salad that I made especially for you.

Allow me. Okay. The word ambrosia translates to immortality in Greek, and it's associated with ancient Greek mythology as the food of the gods. And so I guess if we were gonna go the whole Edward Scissorhands is like a biblical type story. She's feeding him the food of the gods and he's supposed to be like a divine figure. I don't know what do you think about that?

Well, I'm going to hit you up with this and thank you for telling it directly into one of my points. First time we see this woman, Joyce, she's listening to Delilah you know why Why Delilah by Tom Jones, and she's a seductress. Delilah is literally a song written about the woman from Biblical teachings of the Book of Judges, in which she's tasked with finding out the strength of Samson. Yep, she seduces him, finds out his power is derived from his hair, and cuts it off while he's sleeping.

Oh, so I guess there might be something to that. Then that this could be like I don't even want to say the Christ story, but like it's always like some kind of good versus evil. You know, I don't want versus demons.

I don't want to jump in it too much. But it foreshadows the scene later on which she tries to seduce Edward, And I think that's going to be the ultimate thing for him, is he's a man in form but he doesn't ultimately engage in the two things a man needs to do in his life, find love and you know, bring it to fruition. He never actually makes the climax. He's well cut off from that source.

Okay, So if we're to take it as that black leather body suit that he's wearing, he's just got like what stuffing on the inside of it or something. He doesn't have a dick, so I don't even you wouldn't think so, you wouldn't think so.

I mean, she was still he's got he's got the leather daddy thing going on. Maybe he's got like a twelve inch monster that's like two foot wide or something.

I don't know.

It's a scissor. She wants to scissor with him. Fucking joys, She's so fucking she's a sex predator, she's a.

Sex pest is she's trying to rape for the uh repentment at the stop.

Yeah, she's like, you could clean my food trap. But okay, So going back to the title sequence, there are some clues like it shows a gargoyle, it shows the cookies, the cookie cutter, and you know, it shows Edward's hands that he never got the snow, some stuff like that, and the way that they have Edward being so pale and with his black leather on, and the castle versus the town. There is like a lot of black and

I couldn't get past the robotics that were shown in it, like the factory than which the inventor made to create the cookies and the things that he invented. Whatever it was, the assembly line looked very reminiscent of nineteen fifties science fiction. Robots like robot aliens, like invasions, of Earth and all that type of deal, and they were very demonic at the same time. They had weird grills for mouths and bright red eyes, and it's just something about it seemed

Yeah, and you know, it shows the inventor kind of like what you were saying with the story of Pinocchio, and he wants these machines to like live, and he wants them to be like sentient almost, and that where the idea for Edward comes along. But I do think that there is an aspect of this that is kind of like foreshadowing of our own future, kind of like with synient Ai type beings like Edward, but like less

I thought it interesting that it's he's hands in the first place, and there's a well known saying idle hands make the devil's play things. And what do we see the entire times his hands of we don't know what's happened to his real hands until later in the film. He has these scissors, but he's essentially playing the whole time. He's not really engaging in the world with like you would with scissors. When he's eating, he's not stabbing the

Yeah, and.

After so when we see the Avon lady and she's gone around nobody wants to buy her shit, right, and she goes up to the castle and that's where she finds Edward. There is like a scene where she's looking around in his room and he has a bunch of like stuff cut out and like peacete it on.

The wall serial killer board.

Yeah, and it's like weird stuff. There's a picture of Jesus and mother Mary. Uh, there's like boys or without without eyes or so it's like is he does does he have like human emotions? Obviously he like it never explains how long he's been up there without food and water,

And with it's very ambiguously it isn't an older style mansion. It looks quite creepy, but we can't quite pinpoint how old it is. It's in disrepair, the roofs caved in on some parts. In comparison to the rest of the town, it's completely out of place. It doesn't even look like it's supposed to be there. So we could surmize that Edward is possibly hundreds of years old and no one knows.

Yeah, no, I would think. And so like that book the inventor was reading him on manners and stuff that just seems like some old school shit like nobody would be doing about the napkin and the fork and stuff.

It's almost Industrial Revolution style manufacturing that he has as well. And then you look at the town. The town is even quite out of place of the time because characters later I mentioned CD players and vhs. Yet it's very clearly a seventy esque style town.

What.

Yeah, So it's almost like a dream state where you can't figure out what time you're in. I don't know if you ever watched the horror movie it follows, but they were doing that in that movie as well. They included aspects of like futuristic technology with like old old technology, so you couldn't figure out like what time it was in.

Yeah, it almost looks older in certain aspects. Burton has this way of creating his physical spaces in live action that look still quite cartoony, and we saw that in the opening sequence in the black and white. But then again when we had Edward being found for the first time, the building just looked like it was a scale model that they've super imposed them in. And then then that flashback sequence or the flash forward where when I'm a ride as the old lady telling the story, the wolves

Yeah, I agree, And I when Colby and I did an episode on Beetlejuice, I mentioned Edward Scissorhands in that episode because I said, one of the things I love the most about Edward Scissor Hands is the colors, and they like vibrate off the screen, all of the pastels and even the wardrobe everything it's like bursting with color, which I love, and the lady with the ambrosia salad

The light concealing cream goes on first, then you blend and blend and blend. Blending is a secret. Mm hm, more concealing cream. Your complexion is so fair. Now this has a touch of lavender in it. Give it a try here, close enough, Okay, this should do the trick here. Hmm.

I have another idea. We'll cover up the scars and start with a completely smooth surface, darness stuff.

And I don't know, like six times during the movies, somebody says like I have a doctor that could help you and maybe fix that for you, and she's like, no, no, no, let me just put this cream on his scars. Like she's only worried about like he needs to look nice and I'll fix these scars on his face, and like, how about somebody fix his fucking hands? How about that?

She needs some lavender conceal up, but no one even tries to cork the finger blades, like, put some corks on him. He's cut his face up. Old movie like Psychety sayss has come on.

What's sorks? They're like, oh no, we'll just put some cream on these scars. He could cut the hedges, cut my dog's hair, chop the lettuce.

You know. They're using him, yeah, and they're using the machine saw of him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. They don't see him as a human. Yeah.

I have to go back to the start in which the mother she Peg goes up. She's ran out of all her options in the town. No one buys her avon stuff, so she tries this time to go up to the mountain. Like you said, it's a stark contrast for the rest of the town. The rest of the town is very bright, it's vibrant, it's got a palette color to it. The mountain's black, dark and stands out. I looked at that, and it kind of reminded me

No, it's nah, it is.

So she sees this very gnostic take on things in which you Mormons picked it up as well. It's the a braxis chicken head snake god. If you don't know it, it's described as being the god above all gods, and it's the highest statue in the scene. The Great ARCon is also known as we see it in the mansion, very first thing, which makes me think it's not so much a christ story as it could be a an inversion of that, like a Timus type of a story.

So, and that like if that hall castle is based off of a Walt Disney thing, the Walt Disney Institute, you might as well call it. That's wild. I didn't even notice that you know. What I did notice though, is one of the hedges was like a likeness monster. Yeah, but that is a great find. I hope I can pause it, like maybe I'll find a clip in the movie and I can pose it on that, because that's a great fucking find. You always look like dog shit when we do these drew.

Even the hedges were interesting. You points out the luckness monster. But there's a pterodactyl, a t rex. It's all things that were supposed to believe completely mythological or things that existed in the ancient past. And a lot of people would say that dinosaurs never existed in those dragons. Well, you know what with a nephel aim eating if they're breeding animals for you know, base of burden would be something like a good point.

Yeah, no, that's a really good point. I do think though that the t rex. I just said this on another podcast and you probably have come across it yourself, But the little baby arms never made sense, but they're probably part of like what they were saying is like that the bone that they're saying was an arm was actually something that would have connected to a wing. And like all these t rex if they're real skeletons would have probably been dragons and not little baby arm fucking

We always have to go through his We almost have to go through his reactions of coming into the town.

Yeah.

I was gonna say, everybody's like curious about him.

And now looking back after you mentioned that he modeled the reactions off like the behavior of a dog. It makes sense because he's just like looking and pointing at things, and he just seems you think it's almost over excitement because he hasn't left the mansion. But then typical dog reactions. Anyone who's taken a dog in a car that's not tied down, it's jumping all over the place in the

Oh my god, that's mk Ultra, I swear it is. There is actually a movie that they do the same thing. And oh god, I'm forgetting the name of it. It's like it's like Stepford Wives but not. And it's like the husband's go to work and the wives are all like crazy and shit. And I mean, you see an aspect of that in Edward Scissorhands, because all the wives are fucking cuckoo for cocoa buffs. But that is a great fucking catch. That is a great catch.

And so this I have to go into it now because we'll just be lost in it if we go start going through the story. The entire town is a massive produced carbon copy of itself. It looks individual until you look closer. Each house the same, painted differently, as are the cars on its surface. The intention pine this was to emphasize the suburban mundane, the normality and extreme polar opposite, and the uniqueness of Edward and the mansion. The cars include a seventy seven Pacer Wagon, a seventy

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Away, even like the wall decor everything he nailed it and the beauty salon and all of it. But it's almost very like they're stuck in the matrix kind of And the talk show that he goes on was very like very seventies.

Yeah, the cameras look like that was straight off the nineteen seventies, like sound lot mm hmmm hmm.

And I do think, well, I guess I shouldn't get ahead of us, But there is a aspect to the taking him on a talk show in itself that's kind of like there's something to it. But yeah, that was a great cat, a great find because they are in like a matrixy like is this even really real kind of thing, and they're building a house close to PEG's house, and they have like a circus tent thing covering.

Is a fumigation tent, like they're guessing something inside you think that's what it is. Yeah, I think it's a humigation tent.

Are you sure like a dead body was in there and they're fumigating it.

Or is it like like bugs, like cockroaches or something they're fumigating the house?

Really, I thought that was like a like they put like a tent over it because they weren't done building it or something. I was like, the fuck is that fucking circus fucking tent? Have you?

Have you seen Joe Dirt where he goes into the fumigated house and gets high on the bug spray and his naked eating popcorn deepstick on like mittons and things. It's the same one.

Oh my god, Well, I guess that's weird. It was right down the street from Edward's houses. Like, oh, we kicked them out of the neighborhood, we killed them, and now we're fumigating the house.

Well they're humigating what they're still in there because they're not following the status quo.

But no, Yeah, So there is a scene after Edward gets into the house, like he at all the family pictures and then he goes into Kim's room and on her mirror. It's interesting because she's done the exact same thing Edward has done, and she's like cut shit out and like pasted it onto her mirror. And there's like four or five sets of eyes and like one eye, and then there's like weird gemstones that she's cut out. Tell me you saw that.

Yeah, it's very occultic, almost like the cool hip teenages today that are cutting out anything Illuminati and sticking it to like the katak ices or their laptops. Uh huh uh huh.

Yeah, but for the seventies, if that's what time we're in, because we're not sure, but I don't know if they were doing that back then or not. But she had just eyes cut out, not a whole body, not like a face, It was just the eyes, and in a

And eyes are usually the window to the soul as well. And it's funny that he's a reflective surface to put that onto it, like she's staring into an iron soul every time she's looking through that mirror that's adorned with all that occultic stuff.

Yes, and I also thought it was so little foreshadowing because it appears to be that Kim collects snow globes.

And she's like a show. Is the big part of the whole story, Like at the very start, the whole story that the grandmother is telling is where a star came from in the town it ever snowed until that, not that she's telling.

Me it's weird for me and tell me to fuck off if this is too far, but if we want to really take it to like an esoteric place with this snow globe, shit, you know, that's what I feel like we live on is a snow globe like a flat plane with like a dome over it. And so I don't know, I just saw little things here and there. The main things like with her cutting out eyes and then the Walt Disney thing and then the snow globes

It could be. They always talk about the and you and mentions it later on where all the kids disappeared to you, Like you see the suburban housewives and the husband's very robodic go about their business and cookie cutter approaches of each other, yet their kids aren't seen. Except for the initial Bogs family, the rest of the teenage kids in the town just so happened to be off in the mountains. But every single shot of this face it's a flat plane with the mountain in the middle.

Matrix snail globe. I'm telling you, I think there's something to it, but I mean I could be grasping. I don't know.

But are you ready for what was seen in the in the lound room, oh, the living room. So as he walks into the lound room, you'll see it in multiple shots throughout the film. There's three chicken headed snake sculptures up on the wall.

You are fucking with me.

They are supposedly meant to be pheasants, but the tail, it's definitely a chickenhead, some wings, and then the pheasant so called tail comes down in a very serpentine pattern like the tail faces.

Then it's night clubs, so it just keeps popping its Yeah, chicken head up. My god, I never fucking noticed that. But that's that's again like when you go back and you especially with the Burbs. I noticed because I had watched that movie a thousand fucking times, and I when you look at it like trying to find stuff, and you see what's really there, you're like, god, damn, Like I have watched this movie so many times, and I

The comedy of the film that this guy clearly has dangerous objects for hands, and they just think he can do everyday things without assisting him. Like I remember some pants and a shirt on, and he's trying to pull the pants up by the belt straps and he'swittler and he's going down to the ground and perfect physical comedy by Johnny's Depp on this. And he has the awkward rolldown hat. But somehow he doesn't cut the clothes except for the suspenders.

Later on, he doesn't think pat the belt loops. Ye, nothing like that. Yeah, But he gets and wispinders and.

They have this whole barbecue for him, like these chatterbox mother's club meetings that are going on in the corner of the street. When they're gossiping about Edward and Peg. They confronts Joice, confronts her and says, aren't you going to throw a barbecue for your new house guests so they can meet the neighborhood blah blah blah. They all show up, and the only people that actually ever try to feed him those gossiping women which are infatuated with him.

Uh huh.

Peg doesn't do it. PEG's husband doesn't do it, the kids don't do it. Anyone in these actual family air quotes just thinks he can go about it himself. Where the only people that tried to feed him and give him like substance are the people who want something out of him mm hmmmm.

And they're like, oh, I bet you could do a few things around my house, and they're like shoving food in his mouth. Uh yeah, I feel like the they saw, didn't he Yeah, he trimmed the hedges, and so when everybody came over for the barbecue, they were like, oh, you can come trim my hedges. Wink wink. Fucking They start paying him with like cookies and shit because that they literally see him as like not a person.

And again he's like a dog. He's performing a trick and they give him a trick.

Mmmmm, and then he ends up cutting dogs. So it's like full circle moment, you know.

Fully inception. So we have this neighborhood. He showed up. He's like the bright, new shiny toy. He's so different from the mundane in this town. Everyone comes to see him. The kid talks about wanting to take him to show and tell the same type of thing. The kids want to have him in the school and the whole time, we haven't seen our love interest Kim yet. She's off in the mountains camping. She's supposed to arrive home on

Probably more of the second one, because they were actually Johnny Depp and Winona Ryder. I found this out as I was researching. They were dating while they were making this movie, so it was real easy for them to be in love in this movie. But she and her boyfriend, by the way, is the fucking nerd from Breakfast Clubs. So, but he plays a really good bad guy, uh for.

You know, he got yerked yerked, he was sort of stuff.

Yeah, I would never expect for him to play like a good bad guy, but he actually did a really good job. But she, she has she ends up like the rest of the people in the town, having him do stuff for her to get and has an absolutely no regard for like what could happen to him whatsoever?

And all.

Yeah, like the rest of the people in the town just sees him as like this like object of fulfilling whatever fucking tasks that they need him to do. Cut their hair, trim their dog, you know, trim the hedges.

You know.

They don't see him as a person, break into this guy's house still of ecr I mean, but she, I mean, obviously, I'm sure a lot of people already know how the movie ends. But they fall in love. But it's like takes her forever to fucking see him as like an actual person.

Yes, the whole love tragedy certainly plays out in this film, but it takes her a while to almost wake up to her own entrapment in suburbia, and because she's very much topcast as the preppy queen, this popular and she kind of sees herself that way. That's that pride and arrogance that exists within the whole town. That's why the women gossip so much. It's why the men are so

And it's like, actually, no fucking body on earth would do that. If I found a bag of cash, I'm fucking taking it to the bank. There is no you know. But so there is this part where they're all like chilling in the backyard in the crazy kookie Christian Lady. She starts like blasting scripture at them and says something about like sheep, I can't remember the exact scripture, and Edward's like, but we're not sheep. I think that's like that in particular is like, actually, yeah, all of your

In this world. It's quite funny because the only two people that stand out in the entire community that different from the rest are Edward and the air quotes crazy

So, Drew, do you think he's evil or do you think he's the good guy? In this story?

I think it goes down the very gnostic side of things, where it doesn't put things in black and white, it puts it in the air of gray. I think he has the potential for evil, but I think based on it, he's just a different replication of what the townspeople are. I think the townspeople themselves are actually robots and they don't know it.

Yeah, I would. I would intend to agree with that, actually, because so where are we at in the storyline? Because I have a good point to meet, But it comes way later in the movie.

So we've had the barbecue. He's cut the family hedge to look like the family members. The neighbors have come over after the barbecue, checked it out, and he's starting to develop his rapport with the community. People love him for being the new shiny toy. And he's cutting t rexes and terodactyls and everyone's hedges. Every single house has a tree in the exact same goddamn spot, and he cuts them all into something different and unique. There's no

Breed big sheep of doodles and fucking yeah. But except for Joyce. Joyce with the Ambrosia salad has like some little scruny looking dog that he pretty much takes all of its hair off except for like a little.

Poof and makes it look like a lion.

Yes, She's like give it.

Like like me.

And then he ends up cutting her hair and it's like all sexual like, Like Joyce is the character that sexualizes Edward the entire movie, Like it couldn't have just been a haircut, No, it's gotta be. She's having a freaking orgasm as as he's cutting her hair. It's like, come on, Like.

She's the personification of Delilah from the Bible. That's the thing.

Yeah, I was gonna say that goes along with what you were talking about earlier, because she's the one who's like she was the first one that wanted the haircut, just like the Delilah character with the haircut. Obviously it was the other way around in the Bible story. But I mean, she's the sexualization, the temptation, the like, that's her throughout the entire fucking movie. And then at the end, she fucking me choos him because he doesn't have a dick and he has a scissor.

Yeah, I'm just wondering if he's like a kid's like a pencil case at school. He's got scissors for hands. Does he have a glue stick down there or something else?

Something? But obviously I don't think he has reproductive organs, So like she's trying to a rape on him and shit, and I'm like, I don't think he's got anything to work with. She's that's the funny though, That's like he reaped me.

He starts to get flashbacks throughout this film, and he sees certain mechanisms like whipping butter or making cream, and it goes back to the assembly line. He's remembering when he was the robot on the assembly line cutting lettuce, and then he's cutting lettuce and he starts to remembers having these flashbacks and one of the flashbacks is the inventor's going through the pages of how he develops him from like the clockwork kind of nineteen fifties robot alien

Walt Disney man? What if the inventor was supposed to represent Walt Disney and.

It's across the it's like Walt Disney, do you know what I mean?

Like he chose him for a reason? Maybe, uh huh, And like that's a good point. If he does have stuff on the inside, where do you get it? And it's like, obviously he died of a heart attack, so nobody really knows what he was up to.

Yeah, And we say later on when he gives him the hands in one of the later flashbacks, as he has the heart attack and falls forward, he im pales the hands onto Edward's scissors hands and you can see the bones on the inside of the hands that he was going to graft to him. So there's organic.

Yeah, so I guess maybe he was going to give him a dick for Christmas. I don't know. I don't know.

He's living a hell. He's probably got one. He can't use it because you know, you got scissors for hands, something you don't want to touch.

Right, he's gonna John bobbit himself.

He could probably probably manscape like a champion, but you go any further, he'd become ed Wayne as a handsh And.

What's crazy, It's like he gives everybody else's haircuts and his hair looks fucking crazy, like it would be so easy for him to give himself a little.

Trim, but no, he looks like he's the lead singer from the Cure his hands that bad a cure.

Maybe Tim Burt roundly likes the cure. I don't know, because that's what he looks like. Yeah, but yeah, okay, where are we now? After the barbecue and the hedges and the dogs and the haircuts, is this like where he starts kind of like falling for Kim a little bit?

He starts to fall for Kim, And he's at the point where he's notoriety is starting to wane a little bit because he's done the jobs for everyone. He's done their hedges, he's trimmed their pets, he's cut their hair, and the dad's almost the voice of raising and he's like, Eddie, you've got to start charging these people. You need an income. Cook.

Record of jobs, you've held, no savings, no personal investments, no social Security number. You may as well not even exist. There is no collateral.

No, we already have a second on the house. But don't the testimonials make a difference.

Did you see here the mayor's wife can't wait to become a client exactly.

Can't do it now?

Get yourself a Social Security card to establish credit and buy yourself a car. You have a decided advantage. You can get one of those handicapped plackards. No problem in park anywhere you like.

Yes, he goes to the bank and he sits down with the bank manager. He says, you've got no social Security number, you've got. You haven't got this, you haven't got that, no credit, you haven't got a car, you have no form of identity whatsoever. We don't even know if you exist. You need to go out, buy a car, get a loan, and then come back and see us. But how do you get a loan without any of those identifying papers? Yeah, which is the interesting point I

And also what's interesting about this is that or no one unless you have money, your matrix, stuff like your social your money, your credit, you're this and that's what they've plugged us into. Like everyone's plugged into it because we all have a social we all have a birth certificate, we all have these like we're like a like little business entities that they can cash in on, you know, they keep tabs on us. It's like, we don't even know you exist. Why because he has no birth certificate,

Which is ironic because he broke the physical assembly line and became a reborn man by his creator, and as soon as he enters the real world e quotes, he has to go back into the system. He has to be a part of the assembly line again, has to go out and in a way to pay his taxes, go to work, drive the same car, get in the same house, we have the same clothes. He becomes a robot and the assembly line again.

Yeah, because that's the juxtaposition. He's a robot, we are too, but we don't see it that way. Like just says he's evil, but we're evil too, but we don't see it that way, you know what I mean. It's like we are robots. We all have the same cars and houses and wear the same clothes and work the same jobs, get our hair cut the same way, and like do da da da da da, And I don't know that scene. To me, I'm glad you brought it up, because that's what I had in my notes about the bank scene.

Part of Oh you don't have a history of debt. That's not a good thing. You need to rack up some debt before we'll give you money, do you see what I mean?

Like, think of the logic behind that. It's crazy to me, we should Edward is better off without the fucking townspeople. That's what you come to fucking find out at the end of the movie. Is like he's sovereign. Actually, he fucking trims hedges and lives in a castle and minds his own fucking business and doesn't pay taxes, doesn't have a social doesn't you know what I mean. It's like we're the robots.

He doesn't even have to aid or drink. Yeah, he doesn't need any of that to keep going. So he doesn't need a job drawn find his own food. We don't even know if he sleeps. He had a bed, but when don't say sleepy just lays ouy's eyes open.

Yeah. Yeah, And in all the scenes where he's laying in a bed, he's just laying there with his fucking scissor hands, like he's not sleeping. So maybe he was gonna tweak him a little bit and give him some shit like that. If he's got a like a digestive system,

Maybe he's like the terminator, the Tay eight hundred, and he's got the skin driped over an exo skeleton because.

Yeah, oh right, so he has a circulatory system.

And we we this point, yeah, and the story now we get into the conflict. He's he's had the highs. The people have accepted him, he's done all these jobs for them. He's popular already is starting to wane, and that's driven further when Joyce me toos him. She lures him into this place where she's offering him this job. You're going to cut people's hair. We'll have cosmetics over there.

That's kind of how like dads are though. Right there, just in every movie, they're like, okay, cool, and then they just like go about their fucking conversation. But as he's like running out of the salon ambrosia salad is like, you can't do that, and it's like there you go, right there, fucking she wanted to fucking rape the dog shit out of him, and then she me tooos him because she gets what she thinks is rejected. Little does

On like the TV show, and shit, I think that's before he's on the TV show. Like you've mentioned before,

I think the fact that they brought up so many times that there was a doctor out there that could have fixed his fucking hands, and nobody was trying to like get that going. It's just like, well, why would we fix your fucking hands when you're so useful to us like this, you know, and taking him on the TV show was another like show pony kind of you know, weird fast bargain shit, like we're gonna make him famous.

It's like the eighteen hundred families that had the horribly deformed child who they sold to the circus. Yeah, put them on the freak show. They're just like using financial gain, but they.

Don't realize, Oh, I was just gonna say, we will make you famous, but you have to be a fucking cripple the rest of your life. Like that's like the ultimate Faustian bargain thing, right, Like, we'll put you on TV, we'll get you a salon, you'll have all these people who dote on you and think you're great, but you have to be a fucking crippled in order for that to work.

And it's the funny thing is that they're not making any financial gain off him. The only gain they're getting is they're standing within the community, right, And it goes back to what Bogs means. It goes back to that idea of them being boastful. They're being boastful that he's in our family and he belongs to us. It's not the financial side of things of a typical Faustian bargain, it's the pride that they have in it. It's almost

Yeah, no, one hundred. But so after the bank denies him, he gets me too. I think that's when they have him break into Jim's house, right, Yeah.

Kim and Jim are trying to get into the house. They forget the keys, and Kim asks him, can you help us get in you have a set of keys. He's like no, and he uses one of his little scissors to open the door. She's like, that's fantastic. I didn't know you could do that. And you know, Jim the boyfriend gets the idea of using him to break into his father's safe room and steal all his gadgets

And after he goes to jail for trying to break into the room or whatever, they're like, we know, like the bank wouldn't give you any money, but stealing it's not how you do it. And then that's how they get We get introduced to the black cop, who a lot of the woke people say is the big savior of the movie, and they're trying to teach him right from wrong, But is it really right from wrong? Like a lot of that stuff is just like man made

Jim's dad was up to. Like they break into that rooms, had a mechanism which closed the door and sealed it, and the shots came down. There's barely anything in that room but a sunken in round catch with a round thing in the center like that one like something that like the people that's some kind of a ranch would go to, like the elites and.

Room. Yeah, it was like a legit, sayer him, Like the bars on the fucking windows came down and yeah, and so I think like they ask him why, or maybe Kim said, if you knew whose house it was, why did you do it, and he's like because I love you or or because you asked me, and so yeah, no, It's like he does have a sense of right and wrong. But like they again, I feel like through the whole movie, they just treat him like he's a fucking animal pretty much.

Yeah, And with this it it really starts to go downhill really quickly for Edward. He's being arrested, the town gossiping about it. Joyce is bragging to people on the phone that she was almost raped and she feels sorry for those kids in the house. What's he going to do to them? And they're all talking about it behind his back. And at the same time, the family thinks it's business as usual and they're going to have this

So that's the.

Catalyst in which the town turns against him.

And you know, again, it's like I said before, if they're trying to tell, like the Christ story or whatever, that Edward's the big savior in the end, it takes a dark fucking turn after that because after he runs away and goes back to the castle, Breakfast Club shows up and he fucking murders the fucking shit out of him. So I don't know how that fits in with the

Well, I don't know so much about the Christ story, but it ties into beauty in the base, it's pretty much the fight between Based and Gaston, like they're fighting over Bell, which is Kim in this Gaston or Jim gets the upper hand on him and he's beating him. Kim intervenes just as the same as Bell intervenes with Gaston. He strikes out against her, and that's what gives the Beast, and in this film, Edward the strength to actually fight

Yeah, Like she doesn't even like go like see if he can be saved or anything. She's just like, ah, she takes off lives the body. I don't think anybody comes back for the bar, fucking breakfast club is just fucking laid out, fucking stabbed to death, fucking just as corpse is left there and I mean there. I think for a Tim Burton movie, it got kind of dark at the end because somebody actually fucking died. I mean, like not you know, mystical creatures and shit like in

No, I think the end just doesn't quite make much sense for the story anyway. It doesn't give it any real closure. It ties it back to the flash forward in which he's telling the story of how the snow came to be in the town. But it's kind of anti climactic that Edward survives. He's alone. She loves him but can never ever see him again, even though he's just up the goddamn mountain. She grows old and he's just as a family.

And he's just there. And you know, it's odd to me that if she stayed in that town and knew he was up there, why she wouldn't have ever went back and visited him and like.

That was a car and leave the town unless they can't.

Oohoo, they're stuck in the snow globe. Very interesting, very fucking interesting. So do you think like one day we'll have like Edward Scissorhands minus the scissor Hands running around like some kind of AI sentient beings like that.

I don't know. There's this weird kind of view of the future that we get through science fiction that will have androids, we'll have synthetic humans, but we haven't quite got to the point where we have technology integrated into us yet. Like we all have a mobile phone with's essentially androids as is, it's just not internally within us. As soon as we get near a link going, I think that's going to be very short lived, and we'll see a sudden jump into synthetic humans as in completely created.

So it's going to be like I want to have a full circle moment here and ask you if you feel like it's going to be like fucking what's its name? From alien or some shit.

Like the synthetics like Bishop and stuff from Aliens.

Yeah. Yeah, like now in Protheus and Covenant, they got a little bit more independent, if you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, I think that's going to be the danger. If we were to make the robots ourselves, it would be a level of creator and the creator, and we'd have some control over them. If it's quantum computing and it truly thinks for itself, it's creating something by itself. That's where the danger is. And even in those Aliens films, that's projected ironically with Wenona Ryder, she's an au Todd in Alien Resurrection, a synthetic that is created by a

Oh my god. And that's really what they were hinting at in Covenant, is like this synthetic being that has like its own fucking sentient, fucking whatever, is trying to create its own race of out of organic material. I think it's organic material at least, I don't know if they did something with the black goo that was like not,

That's back to my theory with the whole setup of this film, okay, where you have the disconnect between the creator the creation, and then what the creation makes is truly independent. If we think of the inventor Vincent Price as being the godlike kind of deity in this film, he's mortally dies, we know that he's created not only Edward, but I think he's created the entire town. Everything's cookie cutter.

Creation, and after he died, it kind of just like started running itself.

Yeah, it went into just pure self management. And I think there's a memory lapse within the creation themselves. They don't remember what they are because they're perfectly finished. And I think if Edward was finished, he'd have a full personality and wouldn't be the way he is because he's a half finished program.

Mike Drop Damn, that is crazy And also one hundred percent agree now that you said it, I like that makes complete fucking sense, complete fucking sense. Like the whole thing is a fucking like a fucking project.

Remember the rohmbus I mentioned how it's an inversion of the ying and the yang and showing man's divine purpose for his work. But they're all workers and they all leave and go to work, so they're almost like synthetic humans built by the inventor sold to a company, and they go to work each day, to the factory and come back. That's their purpose.

And that's probably why when they went to the bank Peg and nobody was able to like co sign for him or anything, because it's like none of them are real.

And there's certain individuals in the overall world who you can tell aren't from that initial cul de sac set of houses that act differently in a bit more independent the police officer, some of the people on the TV show, people in the shops. Later on, it's solely isolated to that one little set of houses.

But they've learned how to like interact and like assimilate. Oh my god, Wow, that's fucking incredible. I don't think anybody's ever said that before. You came up with that on your own.

I've seen that the Frankistan analogy quite a bit, but I don't think anyone's actually applied it to the Halltown before.

No, And that makes a hundred percent sense, like especially with how they made it so, and then included the reference of the inventor with the cookie cutter, like he made robots to cut cookies, you know what I'm saying. So it's like they they're telling you in the beginning and throughout the whole movie what it is. It's a pattern, it's a you know, it's a fucking it's a fucking simulation.

And I think that in a lot of ways, Edward was suppose to be his successor, Like he's teaching him etiquette and manners and these very gentleman things that are very vincent. Price and you say it in the pitches is always wearing like a very Victorian era almost clothing. He's meant to be the person that takes over after he dies, because the inventor knows his mortality, but he won't have it as a robot human.

Damn. That is so good. That's better than any of the bullshit theories I found just google and shit and watching it for myself obviously and coming to my own like little conclusions and stuff. But even one, Oh my gosh, I just got to tell you this because you're gonna laugh.

It was trying to multiverse the Burtons franchise.

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it wouldn't work since Winona Writer was I guess obviously she's playing a different character. But if Winona Writer is Kim, then she can't then be Lydia.

Unless it's the genetics that have skipped a few generations, especially robot people that don't have only so many combinations that could occur.

Yeah, I mean, I would go with it, sure, and it does happen. I think Beetlejuice is actually in the eighties or nineties or something like that, So I don't know how the.

Time makes more sense an autistic racial fighting.

Complex. Yeah, I don't know. It's a hell of a movie, though, it's one of my absolute favorites of all time. Do you feel like we missed anything or you think we pretty much crushed it?

I think we nailed it. It's a film that it's a cult for a lot of people, But then again, it's a film that a lot of people just didn't notice. At the same time. It's owned by Disney now, and I think it always has been through Burton, so it's always had those dark undertone. So it wasn't one of those quintessential films that every kid in the nineties grew up watching. They might have seen it once and that was about it. And I haven't seen it in at least twenty years. Like that's how bad it wasn't I

Oh, I know, have you happened to watch the new Beetlejuice? Yeah, no, I haven't either. I haven't either. I'm curious to see what he has slipped in there, though, we'll see. I know Colby wants to watch it. We'll probably watch it soon. But I covered Beetlejuice with him, and then we did Dark Shadows, and then I feel like there was there maybe was another one, but maybe not. Maybe this is just the third one I've done. Tim Burton, Edward Scissorhands. Yeah,

Probably. I wonder if Amber Herd's just, you know, calmer getting him by shitting in his bed up. That was his soul to Hollywood and the light rail lines itself as he gets the most attractive woman in the planet who the bed.

On him, Cynthia Elusive. Oh my god. No, Yeah, he's crazy. He hangs out with Damian eccles. It gets matching tattoos and shit. So I don't know. I mean, I've always loved him, like as I love Johnny depp movies. It's hard to not watch them obviously, and Benny and June and shit like that, Like even some of the first ones that he did are good. So I don't know. He's doing door commercials these days, so maybe he's given

But so for the.

Listeners out there, Drew, what have you been up to? I know you've kind of taken a little bit of a break, but do you have are you playing it on, working on anything, or are you gonna take it easy for a while? What you got going on?

I'll probably get a few more recordings in before the end of the year and then start releasing after that and hopefully get back into the swing of things before Bubb arrives and maybe get a few episodes recorded put in the backlog and so I can continue to release while you know, all the real fun happens. But yeah, not a what plan, just trying to collab with a

Yeah. No, I'm honored that you say that. Thank you so much. I hope that you keep going with it even after baby is born, because you're great and you have like such an interesting point of view, and I think a lot of people can learn from the shows that you put out. And if you don't mind, when is the do date or do month?

June?

June? Okay, so we get some time, we get some time. We could bust out a couple more shows before June. It'll be here before you know it, though.

Yeah, we might have to do a string of films that are comedies that try to make the Father look like the dumb oath that we've seen throughout Holly.

Yeah, no, gidding, that's on purpose, by the way, that's on purpose. But so, can you tell the listeners where they can find you? I'm sure they already know, but just in case, Drew, where.

Can they find you that you're missing the point podcast?

I love the Christian Coalition. By the way, if you're doing another one too, keep my name on the back burner just in case. But yeah, thank you so much, and thanks to all the listeners, and we will catch you on the next one.