BREAKDOWN- SHAKEDOWN: Back To The Future

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Howady, folks, your host double jback here coming at you live slash live from my studio slash RV dining room located directly inside America. Welcome back, folks of the airwebs once again, JJ Vance here host of Operation GCD, but perhaps more notably not the Vice President. I will be your pilot navigator here tonight, folks, for this shenani and infused journey into the mind of this particular garbage can. Dude, got a real barn burger on deck for your for

Welcome, Nick, thank you, Welcome sir. You know I would have been really upset if you didn't consider this one a barn burner. I swear to god, I even had that in my head. If he does not use barm burner for this, I'm gonna say something.

No, this is definitely this is definitely a barn burger. This is definitely a barn Burger.

Yeah.

And we got a whole, like I said, a whole Occult Rejects line up. So to GCD, we got Jen Ope that's not Jen the Ninja wrong one and Jen the Ninja Welcome, Welcome Jen.

Thank you so muchj and Nick for having me on. And I absolutely love doing these episodes. I know people on Twitter are always so excited when it's like a group of us. I think it's like the five for me. I know I won't give your secret away, Nick, but I know on the Carl what episode we use a different hormatic number. I should say we but someone, but

Oh for sure, host of the Threshold Saints and the fellow occult reject there, and I definitely appreciate your all insight in the last one. We did well, We've done a couple of good ones recently, right, we did a little uh, Big Trouble, Little China, and we also did a little Golden Child, So those are great ones. I certainly enjoyed those myself. Next time we got I do you Love, host of the Unfiltered Rise podcast and fellow

Yeah, I'm excited to be here and on operation at GCD.

That is right, right, because we've done Fridays, this is a different one and we're just always together.

It's so fun countless other cult reject shows, right, So if you can introduce the Unfiltered Rise podcast to the Operation GCD that perhaps is not familiar.

Absolutely so, I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm also an ex Mormon just like JJ and I talk a lot about that on my show, but I also do kind of a whole multitude of different things, anything that strikes my fancy, especially like Mormon Mafia, weird stuff like that, you know, it's a garbage can.

Too, and some great parapolitics stuff, especially relative to the from JFK to Whitewater, et cetera. And I think, you know, I have a general annoised theory that everything kind of goes back through that Whitewater threading to JFK. So what we're dealing with today that.

Is absolutely absolutely Well, thank you guys for being here. I love everyone here, all the rejects and boss, thank you.

Well, there you go, thank you, last but not least, and then particular order at cos me Pete. Julia, welcome to Operation GCD. Your first appearance as well. Much like Heidi, we've done some Fridays and plenty of O cult reject shows, but thanks for joining me yet PCD. There Julia, looking forward to We did.

The Golden Child together, right.

Holy smokes, you were on the gold See now here we go. I was just telling Hidi yesterday about that Ed Cassis show we were doing ocult rejects. I thought she was there, So I keep I keep replacing who was in these shows, so I do apology.

Everybody here could probably in a test. How many times I'll text him be like, did I ask you for this show? I can't even remember. You're gonna have write it down.

I forget there.

I mean, not just one second there, Julia. Yesterday I was in a podcast with doing some Mormon parapolitics and society Cincinnati conversations on the sixth Censury podcast with Heidi. There was a fellow guest and I kept referencing in the show that that show we did with Ed Cassis, and she kept and she finally says, I wasn't there. I was like, oh, shoot, you weren't there, Like, how long do I play along with this?

This is my favorite thing? He said in my brain, you were there, you should have been there, And I'm like, I was off of work.

I just didn't know. Oh yeah, shoot I was. I apologize, Julia.

No, It's it's all good in the hood. I'm just happy to be here. I'm excited for this movie. I got a lot of cool notes, and what the fuck's up, everybody, I'm excited, what's the.

What's what's going on? The Cosmic Peach podcast as of late, what's the focus. I'm actually the subjects you've been interested as a late.

I'm working on a I don't know if I'm gonna do three or four parts, because I always try to do four parts, but this one might be three parts. But I'm working on a new series about sleep paralysis and uh, demonic and paranormal experiences. So that's a new focus right now, and that that series should be dropping next month. So I'm actually really excited about that.

That's so exciting for you. Again, I appreciate y'all joining me. I got to one plug real quick, real fast before we get started, and that's my upcoming Sunday show eight pm on Sundays, Operation GCD Live Sundays. In the first first episode this Sunday, the Curse of Robert the Doll. So this is my uh Patreon my new Patreon series here on Sunday. So that'll be in the show notes along with all your l's links as well.

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Where you scared?

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Are you scared to start that crap up over there?

I don't. I don't like looking at a photo of Robert. That's why I muppetize him in the first place, even though I've been on a real muppet trend as of late. But yeah, I don't.

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I sleep well at night, but thinking about this damn thing and the curse, I don't know if I sleep that great the last couple of nights. But maybe I'm looking at this. I was about to say, speaking of sleep for Alicis, Robert might be haunting me in that too. No, I'm trying to approach this more of a cathartic experience.

I know.

Uh, Julia had it invited me onto her show to discuss the matter. I'm like, all right, well, let me get all my thoughts on it firstly, put it down in order, and then I'll be happy. I'll be happy to join you there, Julie. After the Sunday's The Curse of the Robert Doll operations sounds.

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But tonight we're talking about the nineteen eighty five cinematic masterpiece, Back to the Future, And I believe this really started, uh to a conversation. I mean, we've been doing these occult esoterical views here. I'm a big fan of film and just telling stories and the way stories are told in the first place, and you know, and kind of uh, you know these I love the ideas of time. So this this, you know, this movie has always been a big,

Right, was like when I was a kid and I heard my whatever grown ups say that it was that was.

A common note nomenclature there a few decades ago for you know, for some you know, but I guess I suppose about the same as the N word, right.

Yeah.

So as soon as he said that to me, I

I don't think I saw it in the theaters, but no, I mean it was definitely a movie that I had, like on a VHS tape that I watched multiple times. You know, Yeah, it was a classic for me. Yeah, yeah, that that in the second one I did. I did enjoy it. Everyone was a little because of the train, but I did. Uh yeah, it was. It was huge. I mean I feel like maybe what was that eighty five,

I think JJ frows I cut out. Yeah, yeah, No. There was a very sci fi futuristic aspect to this. I remember as a child thinking, like, especially with the second one, I'm gonna I'm gonna need be one of those hover boards, you know what I mean, Like, you know those things will be around in the future, right,

Exactly. Yeah, it's not like we thought.

Yeah no, I said, I think this was the first film that I ever saw at the theater. I know, I know, I saw the second one in the theater, and like you were saying, I wore the VHS out on this one for sure. I'm pretty sure this was the first film I saw at the theater, but I would have been I would have been almost six. So Jen, Jen, when did when did you first find out you're a big,

So I'm a nineties kid obviously, and I sure watched it in the nineties, and I think I liked it, Like it's to me. I wasn't sure like when you were like, do you want to do this? Of course I want to do our movie reviews. It's like the most fun thing we do pretty much everybody, right, So you know, of course I want to do it. But I didn't know how much I could add to it for through this film, simply because of my unfamiliarity with it.

JJ, no, I'll say, so when did you persue? So you saw kind of the whole trilogy? Then maybe you know all at once then, right, you didn't have to wait between the trilogies.

Then it's interesting because I even watched the trilogy in anticipation for this episode because I was like I needed to kind of know, like I have to know the cannon, like have a familiarity with like the text. Right, So I guess I must have watched them on VHS or DVD, because like I'm more DVD E era. But yeah, we definitely, I definitely had VHS. I'm kidding, so, but I must have watched.

But there was no antist You didn't have to wait like anticipating the next one coming out there, right, because there was always the to be continued with a like a cliffhanger scene.

Right, No, so I'm I'm not. I'm not old enough to yet be like affected by the cliffhanger.

Right.

That was very pactful on my childhood, and I'm not that was very hyped, very hyped. So I appreciate that.

Jen.

So, Julia, when did you first discover the Back to the Future and were you in a similar situation as Jen where you weren't left with a bunch of cliffhangers? Because I'd ask the same to hide a yeah, I think I know the answer.

Well, shit, I just turned thirty, but I still identify as twenty nine.

My pronouns are forever and young.

And so.

My brother and sister grew up in the eighties, and so when I was really little, they would play like all the great eighties movies For me. I didn't have to wait. I just watched them all, back to back to back, Back to the Future, Back to the Future two, Back to the Future three. My favorite is actually probably no, it's the first one. In the third one, actually, did you see what.

Did you grow up with that? There was?

That?

Was that a cartoon in your childhood?

Too?

What the cartoon version of Back to the Future.

I never fucked with it, but I will say I was soon obsessed with the movies. And actually I kind of had like a little bit of a crush on Michael J. Fox there for a minute because it was like teen Wolf and like some of those other like really cool eighties movies that he was doing. And so yeah, Gane for sure, And I actually have a little bit of a story about that when we get into like stuff about the movie with Michael J.

Fox.

But yeah, no, dude, I loved Back to the Future, the first one, in the third one, like I said, my fave. I didn't grow up in the eighties, but I definitely fuck with it heavy. I love all the eighties stuff.

Nice, nice, well, last but not least hide He went, when did you discover the Back to the futures? And were you as affected by these cliffhangers as I was?

Oh, definitely. I think I'm the oldest one on the panel. So I was like this is crazy cool.

And like, oh, I hope we have flying cars and all this from the second one, like it was just yeah, the third one, you're right, it's just not it doesn't have the third one love me anyway.

Yeah so, but it was so I appreciate it more than I like other sequels. But I agree with you. I think the first two or they were more of a home run. I think, yeah, so good.

How can you not like the third one?

It's like the perfect.

Ending, the good one?

About that?

Do they?

I mean they ended it enough for me to be satisfied with their not being a fourth one.

They're making a remake, supposedly.

I'm not interested in a remake. They ruin everything and they put their woke bullshit in it. When they make remakes, they're going to cast a black guy to play Marty McFly and they're gonna have some tranny playing.

Doc and I don't want it.

I just don't want it.

Leave it alone. It's funny you mentioned that. It's funny you mentioned that, Julie. Have you you all familiar with the Back to the Future musical. That's that has been a big thing, is.

Harry Tranny playing Doc Brown because they don't want.

To know now. But much like in this film we've discussed in the Back to the Future film, you know, it's weird that Marty McFly goes back in time and he's kind of like got a thing with his mother's got falls in love with him, and so there's this kind of incestual thing. Well in the Broadway musical version and the Broadway Musical version, I think he went back in time and his dad had a thing for him again.

Oh no, said that.

It's not overtly that way, but like I mean, I'll show you a clip here just you know, stand By Police one second, I got, I got a clip of exactly Fly is not gay. Well, well, the Broadway version probably is, but I hear what you're saying, so, isn't

Which everybody freaked out on that dread out life on Instagram.

Oh it's October fifteen, two thousand fifty. Well, they even did things like I Got a clipper. They even did things like this on the Jimmy Kimmel Show on that date.

WHOA.

Of course, of my calculations, this is the year two thousan fifteen May the Future.

That's so, I mean, you know this was you know, it's right, wrong or different whenever you think of Jimmy Kimmel. That's a big audience. They are doing this on, you know, as a you know, tribute to this culture that was created I think, and it is the sci fi culture general, but I mean it is specifically this film. I think.

And it's so embedded in pop culture. Oh sorry, no, that's okay, please.

Oh I was just gonna say it's so embedded in pop culture, you know, like a lot of movies still reference things from Back to the Future. So yeah, it's it's definitely timeless for sure.

Jim, what we what we're gonna say there basically just echoing both you and Julia's thing that it was. It's it's a cultural phenomenon. Like, and I agree with you, this film has such wide ranging appeal. But I didn't actually think of it as a sci fi film really what I was thinking of, and but it is. But

I'm back, Yeah, you're back.

Did you hear what Jin said?

Yeah? No, it just started storming here, real, real bad. What were you saying, Jim? Can you can you repeat that for me?

Oh?

Yeah, no problem, JJ. I just was saying, it is a sci fi film, but it's more of a speculative fiction film. Then it's like a total re call, which would be like a high science fiction because of sudden space Okay, Dick travel, right, So this is really a speculative fiction film, so people don't You're totally right. And when you said that, people don't have to enjoy science fiction to go watch this film. But the film really is oxial, like science fiction is oxial to the whole film.

Absolutely. I'm glad to pointed that out, because because we're not before before we get into the actual you know, characters and plotline of the film, I'm gonna I would like to take on our own little trip back to the future and go over how this sci fi stuff began and how this stuff was impacted in which to the culture which to even create this film, right, what what's the backstory on that?

Right?

How?

How did the how did the nature of these tales even come about? Where? Where's the root of science fiction? Where's the root of these ideas of time travel? And strangely enough, it largely revolves around a fellow that I described last week in Operation GCD Live in My In My Tales of Cocaine, Bob Evans meets Marvel Comics is DC and Marvel Comics to leave the fan fiction that was all focused around a fellow by the name of

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Do you ever hear that? Do you ever hear the Peckerwoods before?

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I'm not now.

Yeah. Yeah, they're a group I met in prison as well. They hung out with the Odinis.

They all have like themselves.

Yeah they have like what wood? Yeah, they have like white pecker whatdy woodpecker tattoos and ship.

Out of here. Oh my god, I'd never heard of that. I just got cracked up because you know, that is uh, you know, the term spoo because obviously you don't know how long it goes back to with intelligence operations. I presume that back that far. But it's that's the term I know for intelligence operations, not the you know, the

Perssts back to the future Roberts the Mecher's film, Marty leads an ordinary life.

He will must lie ever.

Amount of to anything in the history of Ill Valley, you know, change and nineteen eighty five is not He is a year, but Doctor Brown is about to change all that.

Can you tell me you got the time machine at.

Warriant, He's sending Mary thirty years back in time.

So I figured that was a good encapsulation of what at least the baseline of the film is. The folks that they are not familiar with it, but it is still us still one of my favorite films. I'm not Claudia. I get excited the Triller me too.

And I've watched it twice within the last twenty four hours preparing for this and love every moment of it. But I don't know what it means by Steven Spielberg presents a robbery mechas film, but that means he was in some way.

Tied into what the production of it, or was.

Produced by Amble and Entertainment, which was owned by Spielberg with a minority as the Mechas.

Okay, okay, Meccas hides in every film he's in period exactly.

Is the Meccas. Yeah, he was. He was Spielberg's protege and Bob Gail was best friends. Was a mecchas because Bob Gail, much like some of the actors in this film, Bob Gaile seems to have distance himself from Hollywood, away from zam Mecchas and Spielberg, just like Crispin Glover, the actor who played George McFly and the female actress that played Martin McFly's love interest to Jennifer who whose name

That was my first note that I have is that spin Glover actually wrote a letter that you can go and read. Anybody can go and read it. He wrote a letter to Steven Spielberg, and I'm assuming it was after back to the future about the kids stuff and the weirdness.

Well, yeah, you you got to look long and hard for that letter because I thought you could read it. Took me a meant to find out how to go to the web archive. Yeah, I mean it's nice website back in two thousand and five.

It's not easily accessible, but it is out there, and he did notes. You have it in the show notes I will.

I haven't put it there yet. I've been really lazy about that today, but I haven't. I haven't available. I'm gonna put it in after the show. Oh, I haven't available.

I've talked about that before, and so is Sean McCann about how Crispin Glover wrote this letter to to Steven Spielberg about this kind of stuff. And I really like Crispin Glover. I think he's hilarious for sure.

I just watched it all, didn't that very I'll go ahead.

Oh, I was just gonna say I watched another movie recently with him in it, and it just made me love him even more. Like I feel like he's a no nonsense kind of guy.

He seems that way, right. He seems that way because he really diships himself from Hollywood in the whole Spielberg franchise. So to that note again, and we'll go into some more that here in a minute. But the you know, Crispin Glover really ute. He was responsible for a landmark lawsuit for actors' rights there in Hollywood as far as the Back of the Future too went because he used

Well, let me just when you were saying that sci fi stuff because that's obviously very interesting to me from a metafiction perspective, is that I never really thought of it before, and I don't know why. I guess I'm not a true Star Wars enjoyer, which is fully true. I actually don't really like Star Wars. But you can actually look at Star Wars in a really interesting cabalistic way and the like dualities like that, how dualistic.

It is, and how.

Like it's very it's very like copathic and like Tree of Life at the same time. It's like showing you both, but it's showing you kind of like the retard version.

Okay, can you explain it? Not really, I guess.

It's like it's like very fastile it's like, oh you you get there through this, Like it's kind of syncretic, right, Like he the joke is that he was reading the Ea Chang as he wrote that film, right, but they were obviously they were obviously reading other things. And give me a break, it's not just the eaching, but you know, so the reality is it has these metaghysical themes like absolutely people will fight me about it, but it really does.

Are you talking the journey that Marty McFly goes on.

No, I'm sorry, I'm talking about Star Wars and just how that is interesting. You were making like the thing where it's like a parallel.

What's kind of similar? Right, because there's kind of a hero theory between the two characters, right, Skywalker and Marty McFly, And.

Marty McFly is a more interesting hero because he's a little I agree with that, he's more American, right, He's just something much more interesting about him, much more real. There's nothing really relatable about Luke Skywalker to anyone. It's like, that's what I was trying to get out. I'm sorry, I went on the town now you're good.

It was.

It's that the Luke Skywalker is kind of the messianic figure, right, no one can ever live up to that because it's too pristine from the beginning. So Marty McFly, he has a girlfriend. He's probably at sadly, you know, like he's lived his life, and it's like that's much more it's just much more relatable, I.

Think, right, Right, girlfriend's not his sister, so well, that's that's.

A good kind of analysis and what we're getting into here, Does anyone else have anything to share a kind in that regard kind of just your overview of what you saw in these things, just not the particular necessarily, but you know, kind of a meta analysis of what you looked at.

I definitely see a mystical journey, like a heroes journey. I'm seeing, you know, with the time travel, a lot of NASA like stuff. Their space stuff's gonna pop in big time with the Dad and the book. I don't know if you guys saw when he comes back, but when he comes back and everything changes the books about space and how he met his wife, it's like space lovers or something. And I'm seeing like divine, a lot of divine you know, intervention. So yeah, I don't want.

To go.

I got that's you're definitely reading my mind there, because I got some massive stuff on deck for us here on the sci fi background of this film.

I put down a lot of like about the predictive programming type stuff that they snuck in there, yeah for sure, And I have like a few notes on that, and then I have a few notes of like how how they chose specific times and even stuff in the background to me looked a little bit on purpose, so sure, But I did want to say they took a lot of time to make sure that this movie was perfect,

Of this movie and.

Was on the way to finishing the movie before they said you chuck Dicks, we hate you, fuck off and they recasted him with Michael J.

Fox.

An you talking about Eric Stoltz?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know, Yeah, yeah, another big eighties movie, some kind of wonderful. I don't know if you guys watched that, but he's he's the main guy in some kind of wonderful And he was supposed to be Marty McFly.

This one was masked, right.

Yes, mask line on that show. Yes, yes, Rocky mask.

Yeah, so he was supposed to be Marty McFly. He got like halfway through making the movie before they told him he sucked Dix and got rid of him and recasted him with Michael J.

Fox.

But like, everything they did was very intentional, It was very on purpose.

You sure was the suckingd deck thing. He looks a little along in the face to me, maybe that's why they recast him.

But I only say that to say every move that they made was very purposeful and they had to get it right, they had to make it perfect.

So I think that's also really interesting.

Well I'd like to put a pin in that note that were real quick, Julia and have you what are you what are your thoughts on this? You're talking about predictive programming they did. Now it's technically it's number two. You see this really manifested in in the film series the trilogy. But Beth was written on Donald Trump future Biff Oh right, yeah, yeah.

I mean a lot of that comes in with the second movie because that going back to the past is but they still ended up putting a lot of stuff in the first one. But you know, there was a lot in Back to the Future too that just screams like oh fuck yeah and.

Same a number three. But that begs the question of what is time? When did all these things happen? Because you know the things, did these things always happen? Did Marty's parents only meet because he went back in time? You know what I mean? Shame or meet it?

In a sequel, the chicken thing.

It's the chicken or the thing.

Bill Clinton or the blue dress exactly.

There's actually in that movie if you pay attention to it, actually he's telling you that this has already happened already I have stuff in there. He's actually telling you that it's already changed.

Like there, you know, I like where you're at, Nick On, That is Marty only friends with Doc Brown because he went back in the past and Doc Brown knew who he was. Or how the fuck did Marty become friends with the disc grace nuclear physicist while he's in high school the tourist.

Oh, oh, I'm glad you brought that. I'm glad you brought that up. Am I cutting out here? Can you all hear me?

No, you can hear you.

You're good.

I got some bad storms that keeps cutting out. No, that's a great point, Julia, because that physicist that you know, renowned kind of disgraced physicists and the high school student being friends. I think that's a nod to Warner von Braun and Jack Parsons, who had a pen pal and phone call relationship in the nineteen twenties. As Parsons was a teenager.

So I shouldn't have said this before, but I wrote down Personian as my primary talking point for the entire face because exactly I didn't know that factory. So thank you JJ. Obviously rely yes, sir, those but it makes perfect sense, right because that's exactly what it is. And you can even say in like a hero's journey, like he was saying, he is like the Gondolf figure. He is, you know, the through the teacher the ones take him

I totally agree with you, and I think so does doctor mct brown.

Scott.

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

The uh so, now, I like, I like the ideas that you and Nicker both point out here with these times, these time these time loops, the what is time and when? When? When do these things happen? And what is really cause and effect there? But you know, before we get it, yeah, is it real?

Because the dream world?

Okay, So when he enters in from the past and he goes to town, the song that's playing is Mister Sandman, and so.

I heard, I've heard that song, very familiar with That's the first time ever heard this song was this film?

Right, And then the mom walks up at the same time, and she's like, oh my gosh, she's such a dream. And he's meanwhile saying, this is a nightmare. This is a nightmare, and this is all happening at the same time. So I'm like, is this even reality?

You're employing a kind of a like a kind of a meta analysis of a Wizard of Oz effect to the whole matter.

Very very that part, yeah, just that part right there definitely makes you go, Okay, is this real?

Is it a dream? Did he have a dream.

I don't know, you know, sure, Nick, what was it? What was kind of your meta analysis besides some of these time things we're pointing out there? Or do you have any other comments on that?

Well, I can tell you, like.

I know you have a deep analysis of these things. I was to say, do you have an like when you when you when you were approaching that, was there something like overall besides maybe it was the Masonic stuff, like maybe was the time stuff? What was what was jumping out to you specifically.

The hero's journey? Uh, especially with like you know time and the electricity, uh, you know, on the clock all that stuff.

And uh just big into the lightning aspects. I figured that was gonna hit him with you in some regard.

For sure, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely thought it was more of like possibly like you know, crossing the abyss or showing the hero's journey to having that experience. And I did eventually at one point started catching a little tons of my opinion, tons and tons of Masonic stuff. So that's kind of where I'm going there you go, I'll get into my stuff. But I mean there's a lot of a lot. I mean I even ran Jamatia and stuff. I mean, you still have.

Now you took it in depth study. I'm looking forward to get into some of those notes. So I appreciate everyone's kind of mad at analysis there. And as I was looking at it, I saw a little bit of kind of everything. What y'all are saying is, you know a lot of my focus. I think when I was watching it again yesterday, was looking back seeing all this, you know, I guess I was looking at through more

Right?

There was actually I wish I would have saved it now, but there was a lot of Trump and Elon stuff popping up in Jamatria. But it's just like it wasn't my opinion for what I was looking for. It wasn't going along with that, because then I started one thing I did together, I'm sorry, mating it in and out something I found running Jamatria. Tons of Russian connections, stuff with Russia, and even with the pin he's wearing on his jacket goes back to a Russian thing. So I might actually be on purpose.

I'm sure it is. I think a lot of these things in this film are very well plot in and to that point as well, as Julia was saying, so like, that's thing I appreciate about that. I don't like a lot of sci fi films. I mean, I do like Star Wars, but I don't I don't do Star Trek and a lot of other sci fi stuff. And it's largely because of the special effects. You're into all the space stuff.

I love it all.

Did you see that hat tip? Speaking of space, did you see the hat tip to Kubrick?

No?

I didn't you.

Yeah, So there's there's a little hat tip to Cubrick in there when they have the original.

The amplifier at the very beginning of the movie, he goes to plug in and there's a little tiny tag on it and it says c RM one fourteen on the amplifier, which is a total nod from one of his destroyed messages decoded in the nineteen sixty four Doctor Strand Love and Jupiter Explorer and Space Odyssey.

So I found that on my own.

I didn't. Yeah, I just looked that up.

To that, to that note of all the science fiction of this film, and like that that. I think everything is well plotted out in this film, like that is you know that? To that note, they really focus on those things. There's not a lot of special effects scenes, most of the special effects scenes you've seen in this film, or the lightning scenes, they really dedicated a lot of times that lightning very pop out. They want to make a pop for you.

Right, more like when when the DeLorean takes off and there's the two little streaks of fire and stuff like that.

That's about it.

But I was gonna say, everything.

Else is very well plotted out, and I think there's really they really only shot like about three or four like less than four dozen. I think it was about thirty five different scenes. This film is very you know, very it's not a very complex shot film, but it's a great storyline. It's very It really grasps your attention throughout the whole film. Even when I watched it yesterday, I was still very much involved in watching the film and not like you know, doing other things while you

You know?

There's a concept of that I like to consider of a guy by the name J. W. Dunn about the dream state. As you know, we're talking about the dream states being better in this film in the Nature of Time, and the dream state is your subconscious can kind of remember the future in a sense whereas it doesn't operate in a linear timeline like we do in in uh in our in our waken state, and you know, then

Right, go ahead, jen No, I just wanted to say that I totally agree with that writer that you're citing, JJ, because it's very interesting because it actually correlates really well the Buddhism. Time is of the mind. Time is of the nine expressed in nine. So exactly what you're saying, it's like the the you are the chronopoetic master, you are the time king of your own timeline kind of thing.

Scientific, I know. And to your point, his address when he makes it back home to Hill Valley, which is an oxymoron by them, you can't hill Valley, okay, whatever, but his address is nine three zero three, and so three times three is nine or we have thirty three right there too.

So I found that really interesting. That was on the house.

So nine three zero three, And that's exactly what you're saying. Jin, It's it's all nine.

It's the nine and then three zero three three times three is nine or thirty three?

Would you say the nine zero three?

Well, would you say that was on his house? That's his address when he's coming up?

M hm.

And so that was really interesting.

And if we move past him coming home to his house, I have something to say about that, but I don't know if we're there yet.

So yeah, we can jump into that here shortly when we go through the film and the characters in a minute. But no, I well, I got I just got lost in like three different things at the same time. Again, the uh, the uh? Where was I? I forget where I was at? Now I apologize there, what's let's uh, I guess let's jump Have any any other comments on time or some of these other concepts before we jump into the back.

I had one thing that I noticed to do with the time thing that I wanted to say, or.

Dream stuff, because I think that's very interesting too that Hotty brought up.

I didn't I didn't get I didn't put anything down about the dream stuff because I was so fixated on

And I'm I'm sure you know where I'm going with.

That, but is there any difference? And then I did do the.

Name Marty and I did the name Emmitt to see what they mean. And so Marty means warlike or of Mars, and it refers to the Roman god of war, Mars. And then Emmitt, doctor Emmett Brown, his name means universal or truth. So both I think both of those names are very interesting for the two main characters there.

Oh yeah, well, and Jennifer means so if we're gonna do characters, I do have something a couple of things, but I can bring it back in later.

For the time you mentioned Hill Valley is an oxymoron. That's where I got stuck there a moment ago. That is a good point, Like there's got to be some meaning to that. Why are they using such an obscure name? Then, right, so.

I'll go back I'll go backward, Sergeant.

I'll just say really quickly that I think that when they're talking about this time part, when they're not in reality, the time is running on the clock, but when they're in reality, the time is fixed because the clock is broken. So we have to look at this like Doc Brown is almost like Zeus, you know, and they've got you know, Poseidon there and all that. But I'll do that when

Yes, And so when they're using it and they're in wherever.

They've traveled to, like whether it's past their future, whatever it's, it's again chaotic because it's not in sync with reality.

That's all I was going to say say on the timing part. But but I'm weird.

No, that was great. That was really great, legit.

I'm sorry, Jenny.

No, the Marty. The Marty thing was really interesting because then you'd have to say he's a governratic hero, right, Like he's coming from Mars, he's coming from Govera. But he has to travel on the lightning path. So that's something that Lighty said that was really interesting about Hill Valley. And I think I know why you got suck on it because it is a paradox.

JJ.

It doesn't make I never really considered it, but it makes no sense until you just said. I was to wait a second.

But it's a cabalistic paradox that's resolved in the center the hidden pillar.

It's all about a time paradox, right, They're all they're saying, Oh, that's a paradox, and this is a paradox, and yeah.

Well he and he lives in Lions Estate and you see this Lion's estate with the two pillars, but you go in between the lions Gate and then what does that do?

You know what we know about Lions Gate?

Right?

And with eighty eight did that eighty eight miles per hour charge the lions Gate? And with double infinity where it's not even real.

You know what I'm saying, I have something on the Lions if I if we're getting into that, I have something about the Lions. Can I should I save it?

Can we table that for a moment we started getting into the film, will discuss the settings a little bit like that, because I want to do a quick background signed to these names. Y'all were just saying, do a quick background the sci fi and the predictive programming aspect of that, real quick with Donald Trump, that is, and then we'll get into the entire film here after that. If youn't be all, don't mind bearing with me here for a moment, because we already brought some of these names.

Maybe it was maybe they wasn't yours.

That could have been another A Brown Back.

In eighteen eighty five relatives here back then. The brothers didn't come to the Hill Valleand until nineteen o eight, and then they were the von Brons.

I want to change our name.

During the First World War, von Braun, like Werner, how can you say?

How can you say?

The first and the third one aren't the best when they put ship like that in the third one.

Oh, I mean it's good, won't get me wrong. I enjoy these things. There's there's nuggets of information all around there and they even have some Meelamites in the third one. Right with Flea, he's a member of the Red How do you look?

Right?

I wouldn't totally make sense because like you can consider, like now, I call it nasau space. Kabala is how they referred to it before, but it's the way they put it because for the way they teach the planets is actually Cabala. You could understand it like that, so the first introduction to what people think of, but it's actually the inverse because it's the physical densities, so it's actually not Cabala. But you could say that it's the

The way he ties in, right, it just ties into the whole sci fi background, and these rockets and nasts are right with with a reference like that, right.

Absolutely, Oh, I said, Von Broun just was definitely in the good with the Marmons.

He made a theological film with them that nobody else was allowed in, only Von Braun. Yeah, so it was weird. I think that's very interesting, you know. And what we know about Parsons and his mother, well we'll save that for later, but.

Yeah, Parsons and about his Parsons, right, because he's just such an interesting character with his whole background, right.

Absolutely, So that guy there for re.

Ackerman meet for he he's the fellow that I used as a center point in this narrative of Cocaine Bob meets Marvel Comics my operation GCD Live last week. Fory Ackerman is the guy mister science fiction. He's the guy who coins the term sci fi. Right, He's a literary agent for all these folks. He knew Parsons, he knew Hubbard, he was an oto guy at Parsons Lodge. Apparently, he was an early scientologist. He knew all the Marvel stuff.

Right, Nick, Yes, sir, Yeah, that was with Ride right, Yeah, that was It's.

Kind of like it's time travel and you don't have a DeLorean, right, But I mean it's it's the same concept though, right.

Yeah, pretty much.

Well, y'all familiar with the story, I'm not.

I'm not man i am, but but I think there is something interesting that you're picking up on JJ is that there is a difference in a way. But the because the DeLorean is the heck a lot, So it's like the vehicle. Like I talked a lot about this on our episode. It's like the you know, the Mormons have this idea. They're more into the palace architecture, the temple architecture. They're into bringing things back down into the diamonds and nets. That's what they're all about, right, Like

Let's fucking go like.

That's like the yep, maybe, yep, I think that has a do it even parts of your brain too, I'm not gonna take it that far.

Well, and did you think it was weird at the at the mall parking lot before they're taking off that that you see the visual of JC so like Jesus Christ and then Penny like Copper.

And that was that stood out to me so much, and I mean I was like, is this charging?

Yeah?

Is this like charging? This situation? And then the guns come with iron their shoes.

Oh, I'm glad you said that. I got that clip on deck here. Yeah, yeah, director predictive programming because that was the Libyans, right, that was the Libyans assaulting them in the parking lot. And that was a great time where will Mark Adolphie was was the bin Laden of that era, right, that was the time.

Doc is wearing the biohazard sign behind on his jumper. And that can also be the school on Crossbones.

So is he Oh that's you know, I mean, do they want to scare everybody about the Libyans and nuclear war at the time? Right, this was the era of the mid eighties, right, it was a nuclear scare terrorism of the Olypyans. And while we're on that note, I got a clip here force.

Oh my god, they found me.

I don't know how they found me, look hard on it.

Whoo whoo.

What do you think?

It was a Livian's they did it. And now I know I wasn't really old enough to really understand what's going on. I do remember kind of the whole Avian scare there around that time, right in the media on it again. It was a very bit load uh situation, but I don't want to I got a different clip to kind of explain that to folks real quick, to emphasize that point from comedian Jim Brewer.

All Right, and I took his I took his newspaper. It was a newspaper on his little desk. I'm like, yeah, right, he took his newspaper and show him. Now a little part of history.

At that time, America was in a serious situation with Libya.

Huge before been Aladdin.

There is Muma Koduffy and he was huge in news because he shot six missiles at a US plane he missed, and then the next.

Day we bombed his tent. That's what happened, and it was huge news. It was right on. If you when you went home, you only had four channels watching TV.

It was before it was even remote.

It's just your father, go hey Derney and channel four.

And you have to get up.

And so everything was next on the news. Mumah Kadaffi's America, Muma Kadaffi.

Mumah Kadaffi shoes six missiles, Muma Kodofi.

I think we get the point there.

So that's what the whole Libya thing was about.

Yeah, so that was the height of that actual anyone he's talking about. So Jim Burger is telling a story there on one of those Comedy Central. This is not happening, I think. And he actually is talking about working at that Valley Spree mall Nicknasse I'm talking about and out

That is, yes, I know he named this dog Einstein, and you want to talk about Mason's.

And the other one was Copernicus, right, the other dog was Copernicus, right, yes, yes, So it's a lot of space stuff, science stuff, and then Jules and vern is reference to Jules Verna. Obviously he didn't do any time travel stuff, you know, around the world. Eighty days twenty thousand leagues under the sea.

He did Journey to the Center of the Earth, which I think is like a real fucking thing.

That's the that's the one, that's the big one. I was missing this one. He's not as known for, but thank you Julia for that when I was stuck there on the other title, from the Earth to the Moon.

Familiar with Fritz Springmeier at all? He wrote a lot of stuff about you know, underground programs and stuff like that.

Yeah.

He talks about how they use star Trek in a lot of the programs, and there's a lot of weird stuff with Star Trek in general. I love Star Trek, but that's beside the point. And there was an actress in Star Trek, the first one, the original one. Her brother was a member of the Heaven's Gate Cult.

Come on, so I'm telling you this is all fuck.

Come on, I did not know that. I love.

You know.

Yeah, he killed himself in the Heaven's Gate Cult.

We got it. I just put a pan in my brain on that one. We're definitely gonna be talking about that in the future here, Julie, because that's uh.

You know, man, I love subjects like this, because I love science fiction stuff. I think Jules Verne actually inspired all of the Inner Earth talk and like the new Godzilla calling movies with like the interview, that all comes from Jules Verne.

Dude, I'm glad you said that. So just like that all comes from Jules Verne. And then we get these ideas of what we're supposed to accept space as from folks like Arthur C. Clark and Isaac asim Off for Reacherman's buddies, and you know, he's a literary agent. The idea that dinosaurs may still run the Earth comes from this guy, Willie Lay. He's a German fellow scientists fell and sci fi writer who was also part of that same sci fi club in Los Angeles, whose literary agent

And then what did he help?

This dude also wrote a book in nineteen what's that did he.

Help with Spielsberg on fucking Jurassic Park?

Well, look, I mean we're not that far off from this whole crew, right, So like it's Spielberg kind of the next generation of the same kind of club, Right,

I wonder if I wonder if this guy was friends with Cubrick at all, because Kubrick and von Baron were friends, and he did.

Now he just hit me with a different one, because I don't know who the intersection of Akerman and Kubrick is, because definitely Isaac Asimov and Clark were because they were on not only on the set, they are also involved with the Pall eleven missions the time as far as tech they were quote unquote technical advisors.

Well, then Kubrick's got to be in there.

Yeah, they got to be in there. Something old Jack Kirby too, Right, So two thousand and one of Space Odyssey, they had a comic book from Marvel Comics that was supposed to come out simultaneously. That was from Jack Kirby. Again, Cocaine Bob meets Marvel Comics. Right, we're talking about the same club of folks, right, Jack Kirby's want of stan Lee's associates.

Obviously they're all in there.

They have to be.

They absolutely have to be.

So I appreciate y'all joined me here on that quick journey and how we got to the story of Back to the Future, and again how it revolves around I took you all on a back to the future yourself talking about how I was just discussing these things last week inadvertently did not even consider at the time how much this tied into this future one we already had planned because I didn't really consider how much of the sci fi connections I really were. But it's obviously pretty deep. So onto the film.

Onto the film, JJ, I'm just going to jump in really quick, which promise shoot yet. Well, okay, So the Michael Aquino thing, since I've read a lot of his writings, it totally makes sense to me he did identify as as Seth. I think he even has a fucking story.

Yeah's you're telling me it's a ZIZI is a zip lord.

I mean he look at the colors, It's like it's his banah thing. It's like very like, you know, sapphire tablet, like flashing red. It's like just like he was just obsessed with like Cabala and obsessed with the sufferer and obsessed with like trying to deify them and make them into like real things. And that goes to your point about Warner Ron braun making like the dick shaped rocket. It's like that is like very right. If you're like Marty, he's the Marsian Marshall Martian maybe, but he's like a

Fair enough, But that is that is the story I like, I like your heads, and that is the story where we we are at the moment right with the storyline here back to the Future revolves around this, the transport of Marty McFly Michael J. Fox's character through this here fancy car that I well, we can get into more of this discussion on the car here because you know, after we you know, develop more of this tale here. But see, I find it very unique that for many

I I definitely saw this in a different weird I was telling Jin in the chat just that I saw it as he was like a Zeus type character because he's, you know, gonna be messing with the lightning later.

There's more. I don't want to give it all right now, but.

Like, oh, go ahead, please please describe the character that's that sounds I like words.

Sure, so he's gonna you know, overthrow Cronus, but but we also have Pluto, we have plutonium.

So he's gonna throw Cronus by defeating time or by traveling through time. That's like a defeat of Chronos.

Is ever saying, well, he's gonna he's gonna get.

Him out of the unreality to send Marty back through to reality by harnessing with his rod that's wrapped like a kundalini and he's gonna harness the energy to hook it onto the car.

That's what I see.

And then Neptune post Sidon's there at the Under the Seed Dance. There's a statue of him. If you catch that, he's there, Pluto's there, Plutonium. It's the tale of you know, them defeating Chronos.

Eh, Yeah, the Under the Seed Dance. It certainly seems very chilling because it was a very that was one of the scenes. Like I said, there's not a lot of scenes filmed here, and they put a lot of effort into really decorating that.

I feel like, yeah, they really put Yeah I put that in my notes too, that they spent a lot of time decorating that.

And really it's and all that like on and on about this Under the Seed Dance. It was like over and over and you know, it was lot.

Well to that same nature. Is that, like, why do you think Marty McFly is always wearing uh this life preserver preserver there right, So yeah, they joke on him, right, he gets flound on about it.

Yeah, when he walks into the until they get the place to get wherever at the.

Diner, what you would you fall overboard?

Is that what he said?

And then when he gets hit by the car and and Lorraine's parents.

Take him in and she's like, I figured you're a sailor because you have the life preserver on.

What's the use of Calvin Klein in that? In that aspect too, right? Because they he's wearing Calvin Kline underwear. So he starts going by the name.

That's Mormons, because he got his new name, and he got his underwear and got his underwear, he got his new name.

Consider he went through the veil and he has his he's a new specific. Yeah, but I mean like in general, well in general.

Any magician would taken him name. I mean, it's not just a Morman thing.

So you're saying, that's an oto aspect to.

That's any magician, Masons and Masons ceremony magician.

Yes, yes, is this terrificant that they're purple and that they bring that up. I've never seen purple.

Be royalty, there would be probably more of like making a claim that you've actually seen both sides.

Yeah, red is both life and death.

Yeah, the red resolution of paradox, bringing the blue and the red together, the material spiritual And.

Even when he goes to the dance, Yeah, he's in a reddish jacket again, even at the.

Dance, So they keep I thought that was an amazing point.

Sorry, no, no, I was just saying they keep him in red.

See, this is really interesting. But I want to say that thing really quick about what Heidi was saying, just to build off that was joked in Vida astrology, Jupiter is the planet of the teacher, so it's but it's the spiritual teacher, not the not necessarily the material teacher, which is actually more gevrotic in Hebrew. Balls. That's actually

So too.

Yeah, the women, we can't forget the women too.

So it's always this battle. It's always this battle in like sort of occult thinking like do you master space, do you master time? Like which one is it? Which one is superior? And it's because it's both poles, right, It's really it's it's a Hopemah and bin Off. So it's both of those things and they're like it's like electric, like very lightning. So but that's how they kind of spark off each other.

Interesting. We have any more thoughts here on on the uh Marty flies a character?

Oh not Marty, No, sorry, his girlfriend.

You want to get to his girlfriend next?

Yeah? Yeah, I just think at the very beginning when she's coming out of the school, Well, first of all, Jennifer is white wave and so she that's represented with Venus absolutely, and she's at the top of the stairs and he never ascends up, but she starts coming down and she meets him, but he doesn't go up, which makes total sense.

And then we've got the mom too.

But you know, her name is Lorraine, which doesn't translate into much but La rain like queen and isis and then we get into you know, I'm gonna marry my son things, so.

That you were you were saying it doesn't relate to much, but I think Nick was talking about it released to Kronos, right, the Rain.

Oh yeah, yeah, it's some of the uh the jamati when I get to it, yeah.

Right, oh yeah, and that's that's what ott he was just saying, too. Right, So you came up with some Jamatria conclusions concluding what Hatty was just saying without you know, from two separate angles. It sounds like, yeah, yeah, I have to.

Look for that specific.

That's pretty interesting. I know what you were saying that, Heidi. I was just and I was like, wait a second, I've heard these I've heard some similar things before, and I was looking back at Next Night some yep, ye Nick, Nick already reaches inclusion.

There's no, no, no, no, no, totally think I think it's interesting because I think it's great.

You're saying it from one perspective he's doing jamatry and come up with that same conclusion. It's reaching these things. That's that's interesting.

Because there's a there's a there's a deeper launch.

Even with too Yeah, yeah, okay, I like this.

That's interesting.

When the prince is at Mercury, like Marty's at Mercury before he leaves on his magic journey. Okay, the mother the Venus sprangmp what Heidi said. So we're kind of synthesizing Nick and Heidi his ideas. She's attracted to him. That's kind of the idea. But it's really it's like electromagnetic, that's really what it is. But it gets a confusing feeling, right, it's it's easily confused. That's very hermetic, that's very mercurial. It's like kind of entwined.

So because father and he took his father's place when he got hit by the car, so he becomes the father's journey, and it's it's linear than and like just like when I say isis and stuff like I'm talking about like with the isis horse, what does she do? She says he's the reincarnation of her husband, So that combination makes total sense.

You know, yes, oh real quick, uh JJ, if you don't mind, Yeah, I was, I did. I wasn't speaking up fast enough before we left off a Martin McFly. I did actually have some things just real quick. I didn want to try with him because I did have a section.

Just at least do going on with his character, right, yes, kind of the he's kind of that that not only the hero's journey, but he's kind of that Masonic kind of uh what do they call it? Like sun god kind of thing.

Right, Well, see this is this is something that I've said before, and Horace would fit in there, just with total us.

That's what I was thinking, kind of a horror situation.

Well, the thing is my opinion, the hero's journey. I mean, you're gonna have different characters for the same exact person or energy. It's just gonna have a different name. Like I've said before, I think like to and Horace and Raw. It is all the same technically, I guess energy or thing. It's just during a different time in space. It's something else.

But uh, right, that's well, that's what that's the term of hermetic, right, that's thought and and another character, right.

Very chemical. Yeah, you from going from one character to the next.

And they matched me together and then the maybe become Hermi's trist magistus. Right, yeah, but with Marty McFly as, uh that is the nature of as it seems.

Yes, Mary McFly as Mercury and Hermes kind of like an archetype. But I did I did have in there too, But Kuser Beach mentioned his name is Mars though too. Yeah, Martian right, yeah, Mars, Yeah, like war forced.

He's kind of this this chaos effect, right is that what that means is like a chaos effort.

Or chaos any chaos to create change regardless, right, someone's messenger. I looked at him as a messenger between both worlds. I even looked at it like in the beginning when he plays the guitar, kind of like the like the logos of Thunder, Hermes invents the lyre. So I mean I did wonder if there was like somewhere a connection with that. He's kind of a trickster again, even playing the guitar. That's vibration and sound, you know, to right to.

The loudest degree, right, So that's a very trickster element to that. Right.

Technically, he does go to the future and brings back knowledge. I mean he knows of what's his face's death, So I mean he is somewhere who was going back and forth with bringing knowledge Hermes or I could be wrong about the exact person. He had. What wings on his shoes?

This guy's got to right, he's got a skateboard with wings, right, He's.

Got a skateboard and a hovering skateboard. So I mean he does kind of got like traveling feet in the sense.

Yeah, I was I was going to ask you about that because that is the hermit real quick with the wings, right.

Do you know how much? Go ahead, I was just gonna say, because I love sneakers and I have a lot of Nikes.

Do you know how much that Marty mcflies are. Dude, don't even fucking try to.

But is it isn't Nike. It's a good point because isn't Nike an ancient Greek god as well?

Yeah, that's why I bring it up because I also own the Forest Gump running shoes. How much the other film for us gun right, I won't tell you how much I paid for him. But anyways, Nike is very important because we got like this whole Poseidon Mars Chronos and he wears those Nikes throughout almost the entire movie except for when he changes over to the black converse. But anyways, the Marty McFly nikes are like a couple grand They don't even make that style anymore.

But anyways, go ahead.

Uh one other thing that I had to I mean, Marty McFly, you get the m m you know that's very Masonic. You have McFly, you already have like the fly in there. And this one could be a stretch, but he did find it interesting that in the movie he does get I think aggravated it maybe more than once being called a chicken. Nobody calls me a chicken.

Call him red too later, right, So that's another kind of Mars reference.

Right, And Mercury's animal was a rooster, So maybe that's why they want to be the chicken, because no, I'm a rooster.

I don't know.

So it sounds like they're covering the whole basis of the planetary system here with one character.

Yeah, exactly, he's gonna he's gonna any any male energy in that cabalistic tree is going to be all him and every female energy and that cabalistic tree. That's probably why you have the girlfriend in the beginning. In order for him, to my opinion, in order for you to cross the abyss, you have to kind of untangle the feminine energy. That's why he doesn't bang his girlfriend. Now on the other side, if he would have banged his mom things, you know what I'm just saying, like, now

So the hero's journey, this travel through the cabalistic tree, this is all this is all represented by traveling, by traveling through these different planets of his character. Right, he's representing Mercury went one time he's representing you know what was the purple want to was?

That?

Was that Pluto.

Saturday?

But the next point braxis too. I was thinking of Braxis with the chicken things.

Are these Are these all the same things though?

Like the heroes the Gate?

Yeah, so the chicken representing all thetary travels.

Yeah, he's starting from position A you could say, jumps in the Dolorean, then ends up he travels through time. But the Wikipedia was very specific to say not through space. There you go, space is there? There's spot right now? Space caball all right?

There? Well one point one point one gigawatts to charge it is for? So think about I don't know if you know I have that.

Did you say one point? Did you say one point twats one point.

Twenty one chigawatts?

But I need a nuclear reaction to generate.

The one point.

I definitely have something on that.

So before we get to the one point twenty one, Jacob watch what was this a Praxis and chicken business? I don't know.

Just when Nick says that's what first came to my mind was a braxtic.

What's the connection there?

What?

I'm not familiar with them with a Braxism.

Because he doesn't want to be called chicken.

No, no, what is a Braxis though, Jim, you want to go on a Braxis?

So, Braxis is a goetic spirit who's often associated with Saint Peter. If you're looking at it through more like left hand paths, falsest and lens like how I used to and so it was, he's like a guardian of gates, you could say, if he serves the same function in the goa as Sam Peter does in like the normative, because they're all all.

Colonel chicken Colonel he has, he's the chicken headed.

Right here, and then his feet are snakes. There we go and he holds in his sigil is like a key and like an a and some other things.

But yeah, like remember that left hand path business.

Remember what he just said about that because later later that's going to be something I'm going to talk about later.

So it's the chicken headed snake got eating itself there, right, That's what we're talking about with the Braxis. Well, not the it's not the That's what I was getting confused with. I couldn't think of the names I was getting them.

Think just think of him in the positive polarity. So he's like the guardian of the gate. He's standing at Mercury. He the guy has to Marty has to go through. Where does he go through? He has to go through a eyisode, so he has to pass through the Truth or the world. Someone said like the Doctor Brown was the sort of like the working next set it. I was like, there's a tre mantrial link to like the world.

Or the truth with the His name is is everything. Emma means everything.

Everything, so it's everything that we see. So it's that path between like he has to go from householder to like magician. So he's a chicken because he's a householder, meaning that he doesn't know what the outside world is like. But once he's a rooster, the broxis he has to pass through that gate. It's like passing through the gate to adulthood. So he passed exactly looks like a rooster. Yeah, yeah, you're too right. It's like a hard rocket passing through negative space.

It kind of seems like people are calling him chicken or people are calling him red. It seems like he's popping off like he's a cock. Right, kind of kacky about it.

Nick's already laugh and not set up, yes to all of that.

So do we have any Nick does anything else on Martin McFly before we cruise over to Doctor Everything, Von Brown?

Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm good. Yes.

So Julie something about one point twenty one gigawatts.

Yeah, well I was want to say, I figure we get into that since he's the one point twenty one jigawat guy.

Right, Okay, so that's that.

That is how he feels this time machine is through this immense amount of power, and and it's uh, he needs this exit. I think they you know, obviously created through this you know, nuclear reaction with plutonium. But these are all elements of you know, real science, kind of rooted in some science fiction aspects to it, right, and this one point twenty one jigawats is probably rooted in some occultism, right, Is that? Is that what I'm here?

Well, I don't know what anybody else got out of it, but I'll just give you kind of my very limited knowledge and what it means to me. Because before before he says the thing about the jigawats, he sends Einstein into the future, right, and when he gets back, it's one twenty one a m yo. And then he says one point twenty one, jigawats And this to me stood out because it's like, why did they one two one one two one? Why they keep using this one to one?

I'm glad I'm not the only one, Joe.

No, Okay.

So me and Nick were talking about on the Gamatria episode the significance of four and the significance of eight, and there are plenty of eighth in here, but the one point one, right, the one point twenty one is also the four. So I feel like, you know, and they're they're using that over and over again. One point twenty one jigawats? What one twenty one a m? And it's very specific at like to me that that would be something they want to catch her as. So I don't what did you guys get out of that?

Before I say, I'm gonna have Nick go because he's got the Jamatria I think he might have.

Yeah, you know what the thing is is it pops up as if I was to go through my notes, Yeah, uh, there was a lot of eights that is for sure. There was even there was even a picture that I had that even shows an eight like one of the roads is like a route or something. It shows out with Martin with the frame.

Which when he got there, Bud, we got Hills, Free Hill and Maine. Do you have control of this because or do I? You got it nice.

Right there?

Mm hmmm.

And this was obviously very intentional because this is a set. They all did this on right, So this is.

Not like.

Add the numbers three, nine to five to like it's eight eight eight.

Well, so also also just really quick, the clock tower has a lion on either side or a lion s yeah, and then he lives in lion estate, which is two lions, and the lion is Leo, which is the eighth month of the year. So you're getting double eights on the clock tower and double eight's on the estate that he lives in.

Soa is that what you're saying?

Because the lion is is Leo the eighth month. So if you look at it, it's eighty eight on the clock tower and eighty eight on lion estates and then one point twenty one jigawatts and one twenty one a m is four and so if you added that that's eight again. But anyways, a lot of eights, a lot of fours, a lot of a lot of significance on time and numbers.

For sure, the four for sure, because it's all of the elements together and so you're right, yeah, charging it with everything.

And think of Emmett.

What is he He's everything, He's the universe and he's the one that's always talking about this for because it makes sense because he's everything.

So goodness, these.

Lines, yeah, yeah, pretty much.

Yeah, look, these are some pretty interesting little uh I mean again, taking into.

Note that this is all that's a Russian pin.

This, you know, this is all very well designed, you know, for purpose here this is the strange enough. This is I believe this is the same set they use for Gremlins the year prior to years prior maybe.

As far as the Badass I Loves.

Have you watched Gremlins and you watched you know, back to future, You'll be like, wait a second, I've seen this town square before the But these lines are very interesting because you obviously you see them like very prominently between you know, him and Brown in the middle of the clock, and it's very it's a very scene that you recalled. It gets, you know, very long lasting a scene in your memory.

I feel like there is a clock at the beginning the very opening scene though, JJ of that, a guy hanging off of the clock tower, just like that.

It's it's so sting.

You got to find an image of that. I'm gonna have to go back and watch it though and find that.

Do it.

It's in there.

It's an opening scene, opening scene.

It's interesting that errows like it's almost pointing onto like the paths that the magicians should take, like which way he should go?

Like I know that I have some things that I want to say, but I don't want to say it yet because it'll wreck stuff because we're not there yet.

But yes, absolutely, or should I wreck it?

What? Nick?

Did you have anything else on that pen talking about?

Excuse me?

On the what that you were talking about? A pin on your slides?

Here?

Pin somebody who's somebody?

Oh yeah, yeah, wow, my bad, my bad? Yeah yeah, that was the pin that I mentioned before. You can't really see it too well, but it is a it's a pin that goes back to uh some Russian stuff. Again. It's just when when I get into it, it's just a lot of stuff rocket stuff Jamatria. Uh yeah, let me pull up my notes.

Wouldn't that be ware of its Russian rocket stuff? It connects.

Besides, it was something with like art art gallery okay, yeah, place of Uh Marty wears a souvenir. It's a souvenir button from the Art and Revolution Soviet art and designed from nineteen seventeen to nineteen thirty five, exhibition that toured the UK in the late nineteen seventies early eighties, mostly known at Liverpool's Walker Art Gallery.

Well, that's a weird thing to incorporate in this film, notes think.

Well, there's tons of like weird Russian shit kster eggs.

That was very red dawn of them.

Okay, there you get more more embedding in the communism, the era of the of the times, right, Nansi communism.

Mara's one thing I can bring up I have in front of me, now, sure if you don't. It goes with the seventeen in the eight It's kind of like.

What I say, I'm around a roll with these numbers, please yeah, please keep going?

All right? All right? Yeah, when Marty leaves the house, he is the address. It's sixteen forty six at equal seventeen, and then you can turn that into eight again. Then you also get I don't know what made me think about it, that is a date, and I looked that up for like anything to go with me sonic stuff, and back in October twenties, well, October sixteenth, sixteen forty six, going by the old calendar, which would be October twenty sixth,

Interesting, it looks like Marty's address is sixteen forty six.

Yes, that's why. Yeah, the first.

Yet, these things are a lot of these things are deeply better than what you're telling me. H.

In sixteen forty six, the Saint John that there was a Masonic Wait, hold on one second, there was one thing that I wanted to just mention. Anything is interesting. Thomas Brown's he has a book that comes out that coins in sixteen forty six as well coins the word electricity, so the where electricity even comes out in sixteen forty six and somebody else that I have mentioned multiple times, and I've said about like being able to move you know,

That's very interesting thing, because that's really what we're talking about here, is the magic through the moving images of light.

Who Yeah, and I should have clarified on my address, it's the real address of the real house. So nine three zero threw that might be happen because I think it does change. I think that's just the actual reel at like where they film Oka and I.

Was just looking at that too hot, do you right? There is the idea of they made a fictional address for these buildings versus the real locations even the numbers. Once again, this because.

You would purpose right, no reality, Yeah, well there you go, there you go.

That's a good look at it too. Go ahead and.

Bringing the polls together, you're layering it, you're using you're choosing a house that has a magic number to begin with. There's lots of houses that do. Then you're going to add in your fi metafictional. Very all magicians do this. They kind of create like a fake narrative. We could say, it's not that it's a lie, it's just that it's it's like a movie. It's like kind of fictional, so but it's kind of real at the same time, because there's like real it's a real underlying truth. Like I'm

There's just so much lightning stuff here, right, Oh.

There's some exactly what he said, and then I'm going to say something at that towards the end, and it's gonna all come together exactly what he said. Like that's how I interpreted it anyway. But I like everybody's stuff because it's all different, you know. But it's a duality movie. Oh yeah, for sure.

I think a duality to all of it.

Right, it's right, dar in Hill Valley, you're getting a duality exactly. That's even another thing you Yeah, November fifth is one of the dates.

In the movie, right, November fifth, nineteen fifty five was the actual day. I think that's when we developed a flux cap.

That's guy folks, they too, right, Oh yeah, yeah, Hill Valley matches Guy Fokes.

New ship.

Yes.

Well, And you mentioned Germany before and Einstein's Freemasons stuff. The Freemason lodge that he was reportedly associated with is the Theodore ding new Hoff number one.

One one in Berlin, Germany. I thought that was weird.

Nice, No, Hill Valley just even throw in the two which I thought was weird because as I go along, like when we talk about things all at the Jamacia, as I follow it in my notes, you get a lot of twins stuff coming up, and you even have twin pines. You don't know a lot of stuff. It does match the twins in twin peaks and two keys. I thought that was maybe interesting because I think I started getting uh, all right, just real quick. It is the next thing I have anyway at mayor Goldie Wilson.

How do you like?

And man the Caducers too.

You will get an excluppius later on, which is, you know, the same thing, just man minus one of the one of the snakes. Right.

Also, if you add eleven plus five plus fifty five is seventy one some plus one, you get.

Another eight holy smokes eleven times eleven one twenty one.

The eights are really everywhere in this film. I mean they went really hard tocore on that. Huh Yeah, old Maxing. Yeah, for sure, shooting Max and I like that. I like the Maxing terminology of the I'm trying to the zoo the Zoomers. That's more of a Zoomer term.

I feel like, Yeah, but if you're very online, like if you're.

Now, is that a keynote term where we that's from the.

Zoomers, but it's it's kidding by Millennial Saturday.

It's cool.

Yo. I had that stuff on Jennifer.

It kind of cracks me up, right, like the whole idea of MAXI right this, you go ahead, nic what we're saying.

Yes, I didn't throw up.

I had that.

I finally looked at that stuff with the Jennifer the jamacho U asked me to talk about Yeah, that equals in simple Venus Horus Mason's square tower the fool. Her phone number is five five five four eight two seven. Now, I mean I just kind of took out the five to five. No, I'm sorry, four eight two three. I took out the five five five because that's like on everything, and the last four would equal seventeen. You can add to eight again, damn. And he lives in Lion in

Well there the twin pillars, don't you think?

Yeah? And they were back to the duality here too, right, we got the the different versions of the mall during different times. Right with this, like you're saying, Julia with the with the nine to eleven predicted programming aspects to you, you also have the single tower now too. Right.

Well, I was going to say, I think this would be a good time if if you could jj to play my clip. If not, I can he text it to Nick and see if he can get it pulled up on his But I did email it to you.

Well, well, let's uh, you know, I I'll work on that here. Let's let's start talking about some of your thoughts here on the mall. Well, I get that clip up here for us please.

I mean the twin twin turns to the loan because he's finished the journey.

He's not he's coming out, he's not going in. So it's completion type.

Is it? One?

Thirty four am eight?

As well?

It's all eight mm hmm.

There, but never reduced. You should really never reduce a prime number. I'm not saying you're wrong it's not it's not like that. You're right, it's eight, but it's all it should be seventeen. But Heidi's right because it is. It's showing a different path on the tree. So it's the one plus the thirty four. Thirty four is the number of apotheosis. So you've gone through the whole tree and then you've exactly like Heidi said, you've come back

And also the son. It is the son doing the journey for the father because he takes his place and kicks him out of his place where he should be because he's the one that gets hit by the car.

So therefore, once again, can.

We just say the fact that George McFly was a peeping creep in to.

Weird, so weird, I'm a sexual sex magic again.

You're getting, yeah, that's all that gets super creepy, really circunsidering all those aspects, it is dark. So you're saying there's some sex magic aspects the numerology of that.

There's some like actual like outward ones at the end too.

And with George McFly, I I dare say, when we get to him, it'll make a lot more sense. I'm going to hold onto it so I don't mess you guys up, because we're going to play the clip.

And I don't know if Nick said this, but maybe he is the fool.

We're gonna have to take a moment on that clip because I couldn't quiet download, but I didn't forward. He can handle it. My connections to the moment and the file was too big?

Can I text?

I got it right now?

Perfect?

If you can, if you're if you're able to play, that would be super helpful. It wouldn't It wouldn't let me share it all on my end.

I can say one thing, why we're going and talking about this about George, If you guys want so.

I truly done with everything von Braun here is ever telling me?

I think, well, yeah, yeah, I think okay, the.

Whole film, that's just the whole The whole film is you can consider like a von Braun Parson.

Yeah, I think so, yeah, I think so.

Even this image that you pulled up, it's call a sec exactly like what Nick said, most people don't pick up the purple density I've been on. Most people don't. They'll associate black like deep black, but there's actually a flashing blue and a purple there.

Purple purple is basically saturn.

That's right, that's a right When Nick said, like, that's like that's more deep knowledge, Like most people wouldn't say that, they would say black or whatever. So that's what I mean, like a little more you'd have to have a little more magic knowledge maybe to like pick that specific thing rather than just pick Like if you're picking from a book, you're going to pick black because that's what the books

Do you think that it's significant The mayor's name is Goldie whatever, whatever, Goldie Wilson. Wilson, Yeah, Goldie Wilson, Like because you mentioned the J. C.

Penny and like the other stuff, and then like the mayor's name is Goldie.

That's interesting.

Could be also inspired by Marty because Marty says, oh, you should run for mayor. So it's like he impacted that outcome as well.

His will a very gump experience, you know before Zamicas is Forest Gump. I mean, Marty McFly did a lot a lot of Yeah, we're saying, Jane, apologize, I stepped on you.

Well, no, no, that's okay. I just think that that was a really interesting point Julia made, like about the mayor, and then Nick said, like a bunch of amazing points about the mayor's name, like the double keys. That's very Saint Peter, Like we're talking about a braxis part of his sigil is a key. Saint Peter holds the double keys, but there was actually more than two keys to get into the gate of habit in a more esoteric greeting. So that's really interesting, right, And so yeah, maybe he's

Ye, yeah, for sure, I got. I finally got your video cued up here, Julia. I was able to finally download it here. My connection got.

Better, but I just concarting it.

I couldn't get it, but no, I don't. I couldn't get I got have to share it from a different app. But do we have any more commentary here on some of the this George rook Flaud before we jump into that George.

Yeah, I have lots on George, but I can wait until.

You know it's got them up right now, Okay, I just think that George, there's a couple of things that were Easter eggs that I found, and that's that. He he mentioned that he was a left handed person, but he's writing right handed for some most of it.

And they used to push this on.

People because it was very seen as negative. And I dare say this whole thing is about how George's life is going to be changed if he continues on right hand path or the left hand path right and they're forcing him to be on the right hand path, but we don't really.

Know if that's what he would decide. And so we also have his name means earthworker or farmer, and or it means works with the dirt, which we get back to Adam. Adam means ready we get into the whole Adam you know Mason type stuff there when we're talking about creation.

So where George is concerned. I think it's pretty interesting that eventually, when he's had enough of enough and he punches the guy, he does it with his left hand, even though he's been using his right hand the whole.

Time, and so it's kind yeah, and then what happens is he goes home.

And also we have to remember the lightning path is a direct ascension, and it's fast and it works, but also it's not always the best way. It's very magical. It's very left hand path to choose lightning, and you go back and his life is completely not hard anymore. He's got all the comforts which would be very Luciferian, very left hand pathy, like, okay, you know, it's much better now. Now he's bossing people around. Now he's the

Sure, so I can go on the left handed path, huh, That's how I felt about it.

Interesting, that was an incredible point. I have to say, like, honestly, I didn't touch on it all, but it's like sounds so obvious when Heidi's singing, and I'm like, oh fuck, why did I?

Why did I had help with the punch? But the thoughts were mine on the rest.

I think the folks of the chat and the interwews you're agree with you, HOWI that's an excellent point, Thank you.

Thank you. I think that that's all all you know.

And so when we think about Marty, why is he the one going through this path right because he took the Dad's place. We're back to isis what happens with Horace is the son is the father, and the father is the son. The son is the recreation of the father. So he takes over the journey to fix it for him because he's too much of a goofball really to do this right, Like he's just not doing it correctly.

So that's fascinating when to look at.

That, and he's able to reconcile sort of the changes in his life. So he's like the true hermetic character of the movie.

Yes, and they're one and the same because you know, the son is the father for a brief time until he returns to reality, which is why it's not reality, because it's you know, he's fixing past.

So what's the show on it? What's the show on the background?

Here?

There's a good question from Dolan Ferguson. It's it's Ralph Cramdon, right and the honeymooner's right? Is it?

I can't e would tell.

Doesn't Ralph always want to send his wife to the moon?

Oh?

I think so?

Yeah, yeah, he's always send his wife to the moon. I mean it's a little domestic violence, but I mean he's always trying to send his wife to the moon by hitting her, right.

Heid he said a really great plaint about how like, yeah, he's rectifying the past. She didn't use that exact phrase, but it does exactly what she. I mean, we're all speaking the same language, so that's what she's talking about, shering. You bring both hands into synthesis. You're fixing the sins of the father. Yes, it is in the dream of the magician, dream of the you know, person traveling. We're saying Marty. So it's like in his dream. But for the even in that dream he is though he is

I'm sorry, No, that's a good Now, I'm appreciate. That's a good point there. I just want to one cavet on the show. So that was the show. Later when he goes back in nineteen fifty five, the one there with George McFly, we see in the background him watching eight nineteen eighty five is Science Fiction Theater, which was a show from nineteen fifty five. It was his favorite show apparently as a child or whatever they're you know, as a teenager. So it's a little you know, it's

Space space yep, not that more many though, No Mason Mason's and a could tea today.

So do we have anything else here on mister McFly, and before we kind of go over some of the esoteric aspects and the cold aspects of the journey that they go on here, No, but I.

Have a funny little piece because you know, I love JFK so much when he goes back to the Ronald Reagan thing and and he blows Doc's mind and he's.

Like, well, who's the president then? And he's like Ronald Reagan and he and he says, why you have got an actor? Like does he need to look good on TV?

That's a hat tip to JFK because JFK once time got on a speech.

Yeah, and he was like, I'm just gonna win because I look good.

That's interesting because I have that clip right here. Roady, Doc, you gotta believe me?

Then tell me, suture boy, who's president of the United States in nineteen eighty five?

Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan the actor, it's dot you gotta believe me that tell me?

I think that all. I think that also ties into the Donald Trump aspects that we see that introduced back to the future too and kind of that kind of predictive nature as I was referring to, where did these ideas come from? But that is an interesting aspect of JFK too, perspective.

Did you notice when Marty gets to nineteen fifty five and he's walking through town Square, the movie that's on it the movies is a Ronald Reagan.

No shit, well I know what one it is when they get yeah, yeah, yeah, it's up on the Yeah the first thing, Yeah what wait what you just said?

You on the movie zooms in on it. Yeah, it says Ronald Reagan.

And that's awesome.

It's a meta movie. Before the meta movie, I never really thought about it like that because this never really gets considered to be like a meta film. The first meta film was Thesis, which is a Spanish film from like nineteen ninety five. So we're talking about like pretty late like past this film. But this film really actually has it all. It's really telling you. It's like everything's not in a wink to the outside reality, to the outside world. So it's very interesting.

Yeah, well, I totally agree, and I think that's a good point. It's good jumping off point for the video that that Julian wants to share with this year, which I've I've kind of it down here. It's the name of the video. I apologize, Julie, but I've kind of keyed it down to these aspects of what we're just talking about there and the Twin Pines, mall the nine to eleven predictive programming. I am familiar with this clip. Is is this true? Stream media?

Is that?

Who is that? Who originated this clip?

So Colby found it and he talked about it on his podcast, which is where this clip is from. If we can't play the whole thing, that's fine because I can sum it all up however much we watch. If we don't get the rest of it, I can sum it up. But the video that is in this clip is no longer available. It got removed. You can't find it on YouTube, you can't find it anywhere. So that's why I had to get the clip from his podcast episode, because you can't even go find the actual clip itself.

So it's one of those things.

I think I've seen a long time ago. I think it was. I didn't realize it had been. It had been memory hold with the way Houdini here because that, Yeah, think it was true stream media that made that up originally.

Yeah, they've removed it from everywhere.

Interesting, Yeah, No, I think there's some great points brought up in here with even additional layering of this whole you know, this whole nine to eleven twenty hours business, right, you know again, it's I don't know if I don't know if that's the true stream media. The name, the name of that one, well, I don't remember all these names, too many names, but yeah, I have come across this clip.

Huh Yeah, yeah.

Do we have anything other commentary there before we start the clip? I think you were gonna say something.

Yeah, I think should already moved my notes. Yeah, there was something I was gonna say about George mcfl about the stuff that is. Yeah, sorry, George mcflight again when you get i'd already mentioned dragging the keys. His name equals three keys and wood dragon, and George does equal magician, pineal Rose and Saturnalia. Yeah, and Lorraine his mother and his Lorraine his mother's name equals Kronos.

And there's the what's you know? Is there any reference to the Cross of the Lorraine with the name with the use of the name Lorraine, Yeah.

Yeah, because if if to go with what Heidi had pointed out, like it's it can be also translated as the Queen, so Lorraine is also a region in France, so all of like people with that name that would have originated in that region of France. So yeah, it's like a very templar Rosicrucian, you know, very like it's a very magician's nod to something like waing quain like look over here.

Well, and to your point, Nick put to the pineal the twin pines. I mean, we've got pines, pine cones a neil, so that's all gonna be pressing.

Yeah, with the twin pines, that's very that's very much a nod of that high with the pine cones.

I was gonna say that.

Pine cone.

All right, Well on that day, we'll we'll uh, we'll get started here on this journey on this video. Maybe I gotta get some sound going for us here.

Yeah, oh, I don't think the sound is coming through?

Is the sound not coming through?

No?

Shoot, I was afraid of that.

Well, can you walk through it with your analysis? Why we watched the visual.

Julia, do you mind telling us what's going on here?

Oh?

She muted, Sorry, I can definitely do that.

If you back it up to the beginning, we can speak through the whole eight minute thing. In like two seconds, because I can break it down for you myself. But yeah, take it all the way back and I'll tell you

Same intersection with was that an eight? Was that at eight and three? The same when we saw the four Bloods.

I thought I was the ship, putting the ship in my nose.

Well, this right here he's saying like twin pines and actually the the terrorist attack with the twin pines, And if you flip the time upside down, it's nine to eleven. And so we got nine eleven at Twin Pines Mall with the terrorist attack, and then the pines are representing the towers whatever. And then at the end of the movie it's lone Pine representing the single.

What do they call it, the One World Tower.

Whatever it is, Yeah, Trade Center.

And then again Doc Brown on his clock, he sends ay into the future one nineteen that's another nine to eleven. But in the second back to the future, they got the Twin Pines on the TV and they changed the channel and it immediately becomes a visual of the Twin Towers right there. Yeah, so it's like they're tin pines, just like in the first one. Then it goes to

Uh huh, and he talks about how.

This guy right here, I think it's Georg McFly, he's hanging upside down right oh, in the Statue of Liberty Torch, which also is like the New York reference with the twin Towers there, But uh, is it George McFly in the second one that's hanging upside down in this scene.

I can't remember or is it market it's George, but it's not Crispin Glover. It is George the character Georgeman play.

Right, So if you look at it from his perspective, basically with him hanging upside down, he'll flip it and it'll show like this is a projection of the towers falling in back to the future too.

But if you act Jerio Hangman, is that what you said?

It's very.

But if you speed it up just a little bit, because we already talked about this part. It's in towers Da Da Da nine to eleven hanging upside down.

We talked about all the Libyans where the pharaohs like military. I did not know that, yes, yeah, yeah, And and in this uh, this bit, I just all since you waiting for it fast forward, they do they do, they do specify it's in a K forty seven and they said, damn Russian guns or some shit like that, because I do have tons of stuff that points to Russia. So I'm even trying to show that with this part two.

So in this part he's talking about how it says tower strike on the newspaper, tower struck like twin towers, tower struck, and how in this scene it cuts it off, but it goes nine eleven with the fire nine one one. And then in the background is they all seeing eye that is that is looking at them, And so Robert zemeckis this is the date when they go back into

Is wild because they made a documentary when that dude did that at the time in the late seventies, right after they built the trade centers, he made a documentary about.

It, I believe, right, And so like in Back to the Future, they're like, what's with the wire? What's with the wire? Talking about the wire from the clock tower to the DeLorean, And then roberts Mechis goes on to make a movie called The Wire about a guy stringing a wire between the twin towers and walking across it, right the walk, Yeah, it's called And the craziest part about it is actually the way that he dresses the character in the Walk is the last outfit Marty McFly

Gordon Levitt, ma'am, that's jg L. What are you talking about it?

I never I never really liked him after ten Things I Hate about you.

He's definitely anent alien cargo cult you know, Rock red Son, he plays in the Batman films.

But yeah, so, I mean it's it's literally kind of like this weird Twin Towers pictive programming thing between the first two Back to the Future movies and then a movie he literally directed exactly thirty years later, to the Date and Back to the Future too. October twenty first, twenty fifteen, he releases another movie about the Twin Towers. So, I mean, it just makes you wonder how much of this is purposeful?

You know?

And it also kind of makes me wonder, where does where does ideas come from? And how does time work? Because how does that get plan to do all those things, like.

How did he know in nineteen eighty five to talk about October twenty first, twenty fifteen about a movie he hadn't even made yet?

And how does he know that some looney tune French fella is going to go to a trapeez act on top of the Twin Towers back in seventy eight? You know what I mean? You can't play these things.

I feel like, well, maybe he can. Maybe that's an interesting.

Way to I'm open to it. I'm open to it.

Maybe how that news how he's got a doc brown of his own somewhere.

Right, Maybe that's what it is, because like one of the masteries of time is the knowledge of your own astrological chart, so that that's demarcations of time in space, right,

We're talking about von Braun in space and all that too, and time travel.

I mean, I'm just saying, like that gets weird.

I'm glad you said. I'm glad you said manifesting also on top of the Von Braun stuff, which I think is just very fascinating. That is, you know that this is all inbedded with that again, the whole Parsons relationship, right, but with regard to the reality, and Simon went on like, well, where are these ideas coming from? You know, is somebody

Right.

It's very like me and like exactly like what heid he's been saying the whole time. It's like it's a sleeping god and he has to be erect to travel through space. So the rocket is like the perfect vehicle, very heck a lot right to travel through space and to penetrate your mother because the sepherer actually are feminine in quality. It's kind of an interesting way to think about it too. It's like exactly what Marty is doing in the whole film. It's like, is he going to

Jen, I like that one. So do we have any any notes here on this the odometer on there? Because it all seems to be rooted in the eights again?

Huh oh yeah yeah yeah, oh you have it up on the screen. I'm sorry, was the notes?

Yeah?

Yeah? I thought that was interesting, like when when they're uh, because we were talking about like the male and the Libyans, it made me think about the odometer when he wants to go jump and he you know, did you again you have the eight on there? You have thirty three oh six? I do find it interesting if you leave it up, though, it does change as he's driving somehow it goes backwards.

The bottom's ninth interesting.

And then what do you mean the mileage goes backwards? Huh? Yeah? Wow?

Is that even a nott the time travel? I don't know. Thirty three and then it goes back to thirty three oh six and you can see the two seven right there also, and then this is zero eight. Is this after or before before he jumps? That's before he jumps.

So he goes back okay, and then he fixes everything. If you look backward on that, if you add the numbers on the on the other picture with the odometer, it goes back to a one on the bottom.

Back to what I was saying on the completion. It's on the other a doometer on the changed one. When they fix it.

When when he hits you know, when he crosses over you remember how like he hits a scarecrow in that guy's property. Hey, yeah, yeah, scarecrow equals as scluppy as and Francis Bacon masonry and the letters nine to eleven and April eighth and April eight is also the first writing of the Book of the Law. The speed the speed when hitting the scarecrow you'll see on the screen is like, h if I let me see if I can move over.

If you don't have that, bring it up.

But right there he hits it at seventy seven. Seventy seven is conduces Valley Jester USSR silly.

Damn Nick, I wouldn't expecting you to hit.

Me with that one.

And then when he's leaving, you'll hear at some point in the movie, Doc says, uh, he was at mister Peabody's house. And Doc does say at some point he's like, the guy was supposed to be building a pine farm. I wonder why he never did. And as yes, and as he's leaving Peabody's yard, you hear him yell, you killed my pines.

Well, there you go.

That's why I never got built, because Marty ran it over.

I think that's also why it goes from twin pines to lone Pine, because Marty runs over just the one and and then there's only one left standing.

Well, and he also fixes his dad's life and then completes the wholeness of the whole thing, so it changes to one like he.

Was a loser and becomes a successful author who's kind of a winner there when he comes back right after all that. Yeah, yeah, I like, I like, I like you picked up on all the rotary signs. And this is when you go into a town. I always folks, you know, if you go to a town, you see all these signs. When you pull into a town, that's who runs that town and runs Hill Valley, right, the Lions.

I'm surprised that the Masons aren't on there, because all of the town signs in Oklahoma have the Masons on them.

Is yeah, they are the Lions Club and the Rotary Club.

Yeah, I guess I was for I was talking about right then, the old compass one, the compass.

What if the person to draw to what Julia is saying, what if the person making the film is a Mason.

That's what I'm That's what I'm saying. That's that's the one. That's the will.

They don't need to put the this, they don't need to put the sigil on the thing because they're wearing it.

They also don't want to flag their own business necessarily too so symbolic, so overtly right, And it's kind of a to me, it almost seems like a nod like, Hey, the Masons aren't involved, they're trying to a trickster nod right because they're not including the sign on on the hill valley sign right, the symbol.

And real quick, I could actually connect all these too Freemasonry.

Well there you go.

Gustaf Laurace ate it wrong was one of the rotary cubs for founders. He was a Mason. The National Range founder Oliver Kelly was a Mason and used those ties to recruit farmers after the Civil War. Daniel Carter Beard boy Scout pioneer who helped launch Campfire Girls, was a Mason as well. The Grange borrowed in It's an explicit harvest ree system for Masonic virtual handbooks. Future Farmers of America built its opening and closing ceremony on the same

Yeah, but the j didn't cover this.

I didn't throw the j c's in there. But I mean, that's who the fuck was in the j c's that killed count clown.

Killer John Wayne Gacy.

Yeah, the JA Yeah, there's something weird with that.

He was National jay C of the Year, wasn't he. That's why he got photographs with Roslynd Carter.

I believe, yes he was.

That was in Program to Kill. Actually, Dave McGowan wrote about that. There was a comment it was McGowan. There was a comment that popped up.

I don't remember.

I think the user name was oak Tree sixty nine.

I fine, you must see this one right here.

Yeah, okay, I don't know if they noticed this, because they say twin Pines Loan Pine upside down, V and W and the terrorists were in a v W bug van or whatever they call him of old swaggen hippie van, you know, which I thought was an interesting selection.

And you actually.

Yeah, and you actually see that same van at the end of the movie when they're blasting off where we're going we don't need roads. That same van is parked on this on the street in front of the mcflyes household.

So I thought that was interesting too.

Here's a great that is very interesting. Here's a great comment about Darth Vader making that scene in there right when he does the the alien you know, invasion into his father's bedroom there nineteen for nuclear Suit.

He mixes it with Star Trek too.

Yeah, but it goes back again to all these you know rockets, the nast of the von Braun, the ancient alien cargo cult stories you knew of the you know, long time ago in a galaxy far far away with Star Wars right, couldn't get any more ancient alien than that. That's awesome stuff, though I appreciate the comments on those things as well. Did you have any any more points here on these slides?

Oh? No, I just want to say that Julia made a really good comment, and I also noticed that comment that you pulled up jj because it's very the whole film is very plus ultray, even Hill Valley. It's like two poles of a magnet with a bridge between. Then you have the valley, the point of the star coming down very eastern star righting into manifestation. That's seventeen, the seventeenth path of Venus into your soad. It's coming into formation.

Well that goes conversations, right, you know what I mean?

Yeah, to the two pines splitting apart because they go on the journey together to try and fix the dad's life. Like I've said, it's linear the whole time. And then as he returns, he's the only one returning to the one back to one. Same with the speedometer going back. It went to one when you added him. So I think I mean, for me, it's a hero's journey, all of this, you know, Greek stuff, But I mean, I see every other point too, So.

Yeah, he's the true he's like doing the Joe. I'll make a warming joke, Heidi for you. He suggest of the journey, right, it travels through the arc. That's what the DeLorean is. It's his arc, right. Yeah, So like he puts in the plutonium, like you said, is kind of like the Dead Father, the corpse of the Father,

Lightning, yes, exactly, and then they win against Kronos in time. And then at the end when when they come back, well, I don't know if you want me to tell this now or well I was going.

To say, yeah, we can if we want to wrap up the storyline before we get into the actual time traveling device here, the Delorian, before we you know, I'm going to close up some stuff around the DeLorean subject. But if you want to finish up the the cult stuff we're seeing the narrative, that's great.

So when they re enter.

When he comes back through, you'll see him come in and the scene she showed with the fire makes a piscy sign.

As they're coming through. And then on top of it, up in the cinema.

Area, you'll see green lights and it's glowing, so you know, with the green and the heart chakra re entrance, and then on the town theater when they come back, you'll see the movie has changed to an American orgy.

It's a sex film, so sex magic.

And then to the other side of it, it has Jesus saves signs and all these salvation signs. So there was his choice to go either again right right hand path, left hand past sex magic. Are you going to be the magician of your own life and creation? Or are you gonna, you know, put your faith in something else? And then it's it's surrounding the hole that he comes to like the wa.

Yeah, so that's what I saw.

I didn't catch the I didn't catch the Mavie title with that, that is very much a reference to such things as sex magic, which is interesting. So back to for Reacerman real quick, you just spawned a thought of mine. For Reackerman, he was a literary agent for ed Wood, you know, uh kind of. He was the pioneer of exploit exploitation films, which was largely wow.

Yeah, so he uh you know, there you go with these these the one from the Johnny Depp.

Movie, that's the precise same one, and again depth depths deeply involved in the neo process and the processes who popular popularized exploitation films in the seventies, such as Processed Church member John Waters, Hollywood director.

M hmm.

Isn't it crazy how it's like literally every time with each new episode, I learn a plethora of fucking information.

That's why I listen. I listened all of a cult rejects when we get together, because I I know things when we're talking about I'm like, I always pick up other things I didn't know when I re listened to it too.

Yeah, you selected a very s So I'll just say.

That now that we're talking about that scene, what are your thoughts in the hope? Here go ahead, Jen.

No, it's just a super calistic image and it actually fits really well with our discussions on Mormon magic because it really is like a very good nuts ofc color. But then there's also a quality of green that can be hoed. This is where a lot of people get confused because there's like a blue green quality also there, So it can either be described as like emerald with light passing through, but it can also be described as blue green like turquoise. But that's really the reflection of hesse.

And so you're saying he's kind of a messenger then, because I was thinking, this guy's kind of a messenger between all these worlds. He's always run into this dude.

In town.

Yep, yep.

And then in that by the cinema, it's a clearer green instead of a turquoise green. It's more of a brighter green where you can see the American Orgy sign and the Jesus saves and all that signs. And also we've got Biff before we leave him out, like Hiram a Biff Well.

Then I was going to close out with Biff once we're done with the storyline here, because he ties it into the stuff with the Glorian after when we talk the Glorian stuff as well.

Yeah, I just wanted to mention that, and that the brother when you look at the photo when they're looking at the picture of them disappearing, the brother's wearing a Disney Mickey Mouse shirt.

I just had to say that since we've been talking about.

Yeah, well there's the m M right, Mickey Mouse, Marty mcfla, and.

That's all I have. I'll be quiet now. Sorry, I nerd it out on this.

Sorry.

That's great, that's great and I like it. Do we have any other closing commentary on the journey that he took before we started closing out with bif Tain and the DeLorean?

Oh, Dolourian, I have some stuff I could talk about real quick.

Yeah, let's do the Dolorium. We'll roll it into fifteen and how does that sound? Yeah, and we'll call and and we'll call it in here after that.

All right?

What uh?

What are your thoughts on Deloria?

Nick?

Oh?

The DeLorean? Well, I mean it's more like silver, so I kind of put that more with mercury lake kind of like quicksilver, Uh, symbolic of the albedo stage in alchemy. It's plowered by powered like Heidi had even mentioned before, the plutonium Pluto god of the underworld.

And what was the why situation with the flex capacitor, what was the significance there in to me?

I mean, it's the shape of the rising beast and uh, when you're doing the l v X formula and uh interesting, yeah, when you're actually yeah, when you're doing a ritual, there's certain things that you make a y and uh yeah, it's supposed.

Of some regards with saying yeah.

It's something that you will make when you're doing a ritual. Then I have I mean he needs one point twenty when jigawats I just found it interesting with eleven times eleven does get that, you know, very gious like or

Gold the gold wing style. I mean, that's a very unique, very neat even I mean and to all automobiles, that's not a very common feature, right, So what do you think the nature of that is as far as oc cultism goes, I have like.

Horses ring or rings, the Egyptian like solar, the solar disc scarrowlike kind of resurrection.

That's even a fallen angel, even fallen angel.

Clip you know, yeah, yeah, that would that would coming back, Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, yes, exactly, Yeah, totally, the plutonium core against Pluto when you give the descendant to the yeah, and then the flex capacitor, the y shaped sigil. Again, I think the rising beast, and I've always like I said that, I think the beasts without a leash is pretty much just like electricity on its.

Own, right right, that's very that's an interesting way to look at that. I guess it looks like the etymology of DeLorean is related to these hills right hillside.

It says, think of think of what you just said, Nick, electricity on its own. That's exactly what the.

Lighting was, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, so I didn't need the plutonium. It was on its own.

Yeah, and you see that supposedly that that amount of energy does equal electric bolt. I don't know if that's true or not.

Hmm yeah yeah.

And even another thing, uh, the Masonic the eighth letter is H, you know, and you do see that a lie like with the number eighty eight, that would be like h h again and that you're not even going to so much with hal Hitler, but I would even say that it would be like maybe the the double pillars and like the pines again, the twin pines, like just showing like double double stuff, and even the twin towers. I even thought that that might have somehow fit in there.

Yeah, No, I think that makes sense. Sick because you're doubling the blessings from Mercury or from Hoe to Hasse. That's exactly what you're doing. You're throwing the lightning at the ocean, staying and stubbling and stubling double a double a double eight. Right, But it's really a reflection. So are you're gonna transmute the water like you were saying about alchemy? Because the film is extremely outcomical. Everything in

What if it's like the father's son too, Like what if it's representing the two that become one because the kid goes home.

That's why I think I have that Marty has thee and the yellow at some points in my opinion, if you look at Marty in the street and look at a red car, it is an orange kind of looking vest that really read the orange and hod and then the blue. The blue close shows the prince and the King at the same time, sex.

Sex, sex power too with orange right, passion, perfection, Yeah, I.

Think so.

Yeah, So why do y'all think they Aside from these are all great details, why do you think they chose this car? I mean they said it was kind of because it's futuristic look, and I guess I can buy that to a certain extent, But I would say.

It's futuristic looking, especially with the doors opening like that.

Sure, but I definitely lookistic. But why couldn't they just, you know, church up another car that they only know what I'm getting, as this was a very unique automobile. Not only that was John Dolorian was not like they chose this car after a time where he was already he just got acquitted of those cocaine trafficking charges, right this is nineteen eighty four, just gets acquitted, so he,

JJ you cut out, Oh shoot, yes.

So I was saying, it's very bizarre circumstances. John Deloorian's on trial while they're writing this film and getting ready to start filming it. It's on trial for cocaine trafficking charges that he's on trumped up charges by the FBI and the DEA, So they set him up for these things on a sting operation. He gets acquitted, but he gets acquitted just shortly before they start filming. But meaning they used a vehicle of a dude who's on trial

Well, also, you know what the last name Delarean means.

Hill Thought apparently, which is wild man.

From the Hills. Yeah, from the Hills Hill Valley. That's that's why I put that in my notes.

But I mean, oh, I just tell that in the chat. I'm going to go. But no, that's great stuff, Julia.

JJ, real quick before you move on. Uh, I thought of the mirroring with the the Laurian. I forgot like the first thing of my notes, which really made me start to think. Besides Martin McFly with the MM obviously for the measons.

Uh.

He wakes up at seven fifty three and back. I started thinking mirroring, and I really wish I would have done this with more stuff. I didn't really get a chance to run everything backwards. Yeah, but three fifty seven is a Masonic rich write in a ritual that William Preston and Thomas Smith Webb do use in like their areas, and that kind of starts getting into the Scottish rite type stuff.

And to Julia's point or who made the point about the hill Julia? And where do they build the altars to their fallen angels at the high point, I mean, I think.

They chose it for a reason. I mean the doors do look futuristic, Don't get me wrong.

That's what I'm saying. We like that is an easy cop out there, right, there's more to it, much like the film. There's more of an esoteric or I think, well, the pr natural and the dudes on the dudes on trial for cocaine? What if what if he gets found guilty? They're going to have his car in a big budget film? I don't think so.

Yeah, but what if was he found guilty?

No, but that's what I'm saying. They wrote the film while he was on trial. Okay, but well they started filming at weeks like two maybe we'll call it ten weeks after the trial ended.

Okay, well, what if they knew he wasn't going to get convicted of anything? I know that, what if he was running? What if he was read because they let him off just like they did with like literally a bunch of hereies.

Yes, but I mean whatever, they were really this guy. I don't know who he pissed off, but the Feds literally set him up. They brought him the deal and then they videotaped him doing the deal, and that's why he got off. But then a couple of years later they busted in for tax evasion, so they were really after old JD.

Here John.

Maybe maybe he pissed them off in some kind of way, because like if you were trying to buy a Dolorean, now you can't.

Yeah. Strangely enough, Julia, there's a he made a very fine automobile apparently, because out of the nine thousand or so was produced, about sixty percent are still still on the road.

Well, what I'm saying though, is unless you're a millionaire, you're not probably going to be able to just afford this to ride around it.

No, I know, I that's a great point. I wasn't saying you wrong. Yeah, it's a great point because there's only nine thousand that were ever produced, and you know, only about six thousand I believe exists today. But yeah, you're you're paying money because of the lack of a you know, supplying man.

Right, So well, you're paying money because everybody loves back to the future, you know what I mean.

Everyone wants a Delarey and they want to pamp it out right.

Yeah, they want to put the led freak light strips on it.

Yet, what if Delaurian guy was a member of their lodge. I'm just thinking totally hypothetically, okay, and so or he was like a member of their faction. You could say, like, I know, JJ likes that word.

So yeah, you're reading my mind there, Jen, I'll be using your wizard skills over here, buddy. You're reading my mind though, so.

Well, thank you. So yeah, he's a member of their fashion. It doesn't matter if he gets convicted or not convicted, because they're going to like give their little wink in their nod to him. It's also interesting that like Delaian Motor Company d m C. De lette them cough, I don't know, there's something kind of interesting about that because if you write it out in Hebrew, it looks like seven O seven. Just saying sure is an additional way

That's good stuff. And to this comment here, that's a great comment. The car turned out to suck, but it's the collectors.

I know it.

Apparently mechanically it did not function well. But what I was getting at was the durability and long lasting nature of the body style and everything. The way they did it kind of reminds me. I think Elon Musk copied it for a cyber truck, right. It is like that same kind of steel or whatever, or that same kind of production of the body style.

They think they're plus ultra dude.

Think they're talking about factions and cults, right, Yeah, talking about factions and cults right there you go, right, I mean that sounds like a nice connection right there with just having the same aesthetic to these automobiles they're designing.

Yep, they think they're the gay GAO t U right, like we talked about last night.

For sure, so just a quick rundown on Old Dolaurian. Here he gets charged October nineteenth of nineteen eighty two ft nine pounds of coke. That's a lot. That's a lot. He wanted to sell two hundred and twenty of them though, so he was even into more of that. So again the FEDS brought it to him, and the FED busted him. He was pissing off to Troy by making this vehicles, I think, is what it really boiled down to him

But what I find he was acquitted of all charges.

Well, yeah, they had it on videotape and there was so much evidence that he was all it was all in trapman, and he had some good attorneys. But then and then, but did he win because then they came after him, right, and then they're like, yeah, we got you for fraud like months after, you know, a year or so after he gets acquitted, right, So you know.

He said he was he was acquitted even after this September nineteen eighty five.

No, that's a great point, That's what I'm getting at. So do you really win because he's spending all this money on attorneys to buy two thousand, he's got he's financially bankrupt, and he's got to sell mansion.

It's all in who you know, right, right?

Right?

But what I'm getting is there after someone's after bankrupting glory and he sells his mansion in two thousands as a result of this bankruptcy. Right, we're gonna get into the fIF tan and here's when I'm I'm heading here.

So the day he got acquitted was magic.

I just want to say that seven twenty one.

The August sixteenth, nineteen eighty four, nineteeny four is twenty two, super much? Right?

How about September twenty first, nineteen eighty five.

Well, August is also the eight did you say them?

Yeah, eighteen sixteen, you got two eights, right, yeah, how about September twenty first, nineteen eighty five.

I don't optional.

Any commentary.

Math, Yeah, well ninety three right right away? Yeah, and what'd you say nineteen eighty five? Yes, sir, well you have I mean you would be like a perfect five, right. It would be like the completion of like something that you've done, maybe to do some greater thing, because you all want to try and go up to seven. That's the idea, so you use like maybe a launching pad. That'd be a good date for like some of the new venture. You could say.

Yeah, so so that's uh, that former estate there you see now is the clubhouse of the Trump National Bedminster golf Course and the Prime Residency. Trump calls it his summer white House Prime Residency that he established there in his first term between May and September. That's where he normally lives during those months. But I'm saying that's that's what he called the summer white House there. That house right there used to be John Delauriance. So after getting now,

Are you serious?

Right right over right over it?

Not all that FOE sidings.

Well, those drone those weird drone startings, there was a high concentration of them in New Jersey that were going over Bedminster, the former property of the Dory in the current property of Trump.

Wow, Yeah, it was weird.

So it makes sense from the numbers.

What's that gening makes sense to what the numbers.

Summoning that, Like Heidi always says, like there's some they're playing with angels. That's that's exactly what it is, and that like or they or they're playing with going away like an angel, like how the movie describes it's like the same. It's like two different ideas, like do you believe in the other power or do you believe in the self power? Exactly what Heidi said. I'm just seeing a different way to describe it. So it is exactly do you believe in the angels or do you believe

Yeah, it's definitely not because of Teen Wolf. I'm telling you that right now.

I don't.

I'm just saying to the Back to the Future is is like what it put saled him off into infamy?

Oh it does. It doesn't compare between the city and doesn't compare. But still a fine film.

You do find the.

FBI informant on the Dolorean case thing. His last name was Hoffman, which made me giggle.

Oh, well, that's yeah, I've dug into that dude's past. He was doing some I ran concerence spoking for the FEDS and the DA back in the mid seventies. So that's how he became an informant. So I got a lot to unpack with that because I got some cocaine Bob connections involved in that. Next month, Oh boy, topic for a different day, Yeah, for sure, for a different day.

The well, cocaine, like you say, JJ, cocaine seems to drive a lot of these kinds of protects, and cocaine is a very mercurial substance, Like if you were to mop it out in Kabala would be a very hard substance because it requires fire from government, don't.

You ain't kidding? I mean that's for sure. So uh we can transition here on the fifteen and who is based on Donald Trump as the man who was owning the owner now of the old Dolorian estate the five hundred and thirty five acres a formerly known as as the Delarey in the state. Again, it's a fantastic place, the summer White House where Trump uh trump uh In fact, moments after he left Pennsylvania there in July was at fourteenth twenty twenty four when he got the assassination attempted

Maybe that the fallen angels held his ear there you go.

Maybe the drone UFO aliens got him, maybe they helped him out them in JFK Junior, you.

Know, there was somebody who showed that those things like flew out like right near like a Boeing plan.

Yeah.

No, for sure, there's some weird stuff. I mean it was all hot news and then now it's not. And no, one really explained it. It was shining, it was Iran, it was nothing, it was ours. I mean, I mean, I think that's all part of a distraction from whatever what it really was, right in which we don't really know and did it didn't not. Again, it was over a lot, over different parts of New Jersey, but there

Well, he's just a dick.

He's just that's true. That's true.

And he's not and he's like the proverbi. He's like not even a smart dick. He's just a retarded dick. And he's like a tree and get out of.

Here, right, And he's kind of that's right, and he's kind of like he's like quantum entangled with Marty mcflys. Uh, you know, a family tree, right, yeah, that's.

Just like what I high do you mix that that they have to play each other's like opposing role.

Because every time he goes back before it in time, he's got a new Biff, and he's got a new Biff to handle.

Mm hmmm hmm.

Kind of reminds me of the Butterfly effect. That's another movie I really love and uh, would you.

Say nicked Out?

Oh yeah, no, dude, that that's that could be another episode in itself.

But it's like every time Marty goes back or forward, he.

Gets a new Biff and it's like he's still just as awful as ever, but just in different ways. He Butterfly affects him throughout. It's like he's still a dick, it's just different variations of what kind of dicky is like.

Through just too McFly. It's to his parents, right, he's got a whole thing with the Antagon, this thing with George McFly, So he's like he's just the dude. He's always there, you know, beefing mm hmmmm.

I will say though, in the second movie, the old Man Biff is a lot more intelligent than this one that we got pulled up because he's like he wants to rig the sports and stuff like that, so he becomes the billionaire.

Of course, there's the masonic nature of Hira a Biff, right, Like how he was saying.

Before, mm hmmm, Well, isn't there something about like Trump's family being connected with Tesla and they were working on some kind of time travel thing?

Like I love that. Yeah, so that's to go with So Tesla uncle John was his understudy, and then you get to Van olver Bush and this goes into a hole like I'll be short because I've talked way too much tonight. But yes, he supposedly possibly got Tesla's papers. However, there's an argument whether he ever wrote a paper because he memorized everything.

So it's a little shady there, but that that's basically you know, they talked Maro Largo and they were looking for something. So I'm just saying, I don't know.

I had only heard about it, like on on a very surface level, that there was something about Trump and Tesla. And then if that's true and this character is based off of like his archetype, the Trump archetype, it makes it would make a lot of sense, especially like in the second movie with like the Biff Tower or whatever, and the sure the weirdness with that.

No, it's and it's definitely true.

It was.

It was Uh, it was not unclassified for four years, but it was a John G. Trump was the top physicist at m I t was the longest serving professor. You know, and him and you will see plenty of interviews where Trump talks about his relationship with his uncle.

Oh, he flexes on that hardcore. He's like my uncle John.

Whenever he wants to push something and f with everybody, He's like my uncle John and papers.

He knows what buttons to push, he knows what he's doing.

I hate to say it, but I give him an A plus A plus for disgrace nuclear physicist.

He's the best you've ever seen.

And do we know that's that's a good does a good trouve repression. But I just want to I just wanted to ask if you all any more commentary here on Biff before we get too long in the matters.

Yeah, I do fuck Biff his character and get out of here. Yeah, I want. I want Biff to make like a tree and get out of here.

Believe well, I did think it was funny that they covered him in ship and I do think that the whole darkness I could have gone into a whole thing.

But I talked a lot tonight, so.

That's good. The ship thing isn't is honest, legit interesting From a metaphysical perspective, it's kind of it was like public humiliation almost. I'm not saying humiliation ritual nick I was saying. I'm saying that it was like a public humiliation. Like it was like he's tard and feathered. He is the chicken, he has to start again. And Biff is never like there's nothing redeemable about him in any of the films, in any moment. Like he's not funny, he's not charming, he's not like the Trump.

That we see right, like that he's a rapist.

Yeah well yeah, he's an attempted like assaulter.

And he's gigantic like back at like possible following angel stuff, but like yeah.

Plus ultra right, Like they believe that Tesla was like the one magician to follow. He was like there, I'm sorry, Heidi, I forget that.

You're telling me, Jim, Yeah yeah.

Like and they're going in different directions, different factions, they follow different leaders. One follows Crowley one follows. You know, there's the weight.

Well, and he has always the people behind him backing him, like you know Trump has had the Mob and Cone and you know, lots of people that helped him get where he is. I mean, he came up from the depths of shit, is what you know.

Well, I'm glad you point out the rape, the rape part two with this character. He's kind of rapial Biff and there is an element to it, right with this with his character, but there's an underlying kind of rape element to the whole film if you asked me. And that was one of the apparent contentions as we mentioned earlier, with Crispin Glover not returning to the film there in number two and suing them when they use his likeness, and he's got a big beef about all those things.

Tend to like I love him.

I love him.

I think he's so funny.

Kind of annoyed him now when he started the Smiley Face Killer film by Brendyson Ellis, who wrote American Psychode. But that's a different story altogether. So it says the entertaining tament. Lawyer goes on to say, I can't even watch the film any longer because of what I know

I did not do anything illegal. Bob Gail did something like, we didn't do anything that was illegal. In the ever twisting corridors of Hollywood history, one of tinsel Town's most intriguing tales is the legal drama surrounding Crispin Glover and Back to the Future Part two.

So obviously he's talking about using his likeness where he fantasy sued them and was successful in that effort, and that was kind of a landmark issue. But with the anger in Visrael, you see Crispin Glover in an interview from recent years. I think it's rooted more in that letter you were talking about it earlier, Julia, which is hmm, I will include in the show notes. But I had to go back to locate. I had to go back to the wayback machine.

Mm hmmm, yeah, I mean it's it's buried and he talks about Steven Spielberg on, he goes, he goes, he.

Goes pretty, he goes pretty tough on Spielberg, here.

Doesn't he Yeah, he does, he does, he does, he does.

If you ever saw the picture of Steven Spielberg with the little Poultergeist girl on.

His lap, you will have no questions, right right, And she died like a bell obstruction. Yeah, that's what they said. That's what they said.

Well, if there was traumatic injury there where.

She couldn't yeah, but that they said that she that she had like a congested colon and that way that she got backed up, and that's what But it's like, come on, now, I agree.

And I and Steven Spielberg got so many dark tales. I was, you know, I was gonna say, maybe we'll have to discuss that one, you know, collectively here in the future, because I think we all have some. But it sounds like, well, I think it's I think, well, hold on, when I think of well, when I think it's Drew Barrymore, this is also my same reaction Scott Drew Barrymore was doing coke and drinking at Studio fifty nine.

Yeah, some girls person was there for sure.

Shed This is this is the era of when Rokee Roy cohnees basically running Studio fifty four because the owners are so in debt to him for legal services to stay out of jail and keep the place open that he's kind of running that spot by that point.

Oh yeah.

The only reason I bring her up is because a fire starter in et both Steven Spielberg.

Right, And that's what I'm saying. They got up seventy eight back there Studio fifty four on some coke and some benzos and some alcohol and whatnot. By the time she met Spielberg, he was like, He's like, yep, Jack thought, mm hmmmmm, sad.

Do you have drums? By the way, the clip, the clip.

I enjoyed.

It was better without the sound.

I think that.

I think Julian narrating it was.

Actually thank you.

I appreciate that.

I appreciate that. Let me make one more note on it. We'll go ahead, go ahead.

Oh, I was gonna say I had I had just a funny pop culture reference to Back to the Future. You guys might remember did. Have you guys watched Knocked Up? It's it's got like seth Rogen and what's her face in it? Where she gets pregnant and whatever. Paul Redd is in it and they go to like this dinner whatever, and Paul Redd is like, you know, if Doc Brown screeched up in the Dolorean right now, would you go

Doc Brown is?

And yeah, I was like, who the fuck wouldn't know what back to Like, I'm not believing that for a fucking second that they didn't know what Back to the Future was.

But that's a good example of how culturally impactful this has been, right M.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

I just mentioned that because I watched that movie the other day and then you asked me to do this and I was like, dude, everybody loves Back to the Future.

Right, So well, I mean, I don't know if Christin Glover does, but I do love the film. I know, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. So on this nature though of this, Christin Glover in Spielberg situations and the parent kduling situations. There's in the rapist you know, rape ee qualities of old beif tain and you know there's a there's a nature of again still underlying in this film that continues to perpetrate these

You know that no sound to me.

So that cousin obviously being Chuck Berry. The song that old Johnny be Good? Then Michael J. Fox was playing right so in a forest Gump effect, and another's is some Becca style there he events the song Johnny be Good?

Uh yeah, Chuck Berry infamous for the taco bellfarts.

Uh well, that's that's only later in his life, mame. He has a lot of accolades in this nature previous to that. If you will, I'll never.

Forget that after you told me that I can't even drive past the taco bell without playing Johnny be Good.

There you go, that's Taco bellfarts.

So Chuck Berry was convicted under the Main Act in nineteen fifty nine for transporting a fourteen year old girl across state lines for the purposes of prostitutionals or sexual exploitation. The record company is the one who got him out of prison, so, which is kind of funny. So he's a convict sex offender. And then in nineteen seventy two he records this song tours nationally on number one hit

Well you want.

You want a full circle movement?

Please?

Do you remember I said, nobody gets out of this place without farting in my mouth?

The adventures in babysitting.

So adventures in leaving the stage unless you play the blues right, but.

Adventures in babysitting and back to the Future to Elizabeth Shoe, Oh shit.

You're right, yep, you are correct, man.

That's the full circle moment.

That is full that is full circle. And if I if I may close this, if anyone else has any other commentary here, we we'll do some closing statements, but I want to kind of go full circle here myself here with going back to the future on some operations GCD shows relative to these topics here, relative of the character bif taining, the you know, Jnald Trump, who was you know that based on biftaining kind of the predictive programming natures of that stuff, and the fact that he's

Right?

They were off?

Ye? Right?

Well they were off by year they won in twenty sixteen. They were in twenty sixteen. So well, that's what I'm saying. It's creepy enough, right, And that whole incident of the Cubs winning the World Series, that incident's real creepy to me. So it was called the Curse of the Goat was this was this curse of the Goat was like one of the most infamous curses and in any major sports right,

What if the come thing was a year and a day, Like it was like like an HGA ritual, Like it was like intentionally off by a year. It was like, it was like to I don't know that that would be a funny little game.

I enjoy your perspective on these things because it's not it's totally unique from what I way I look at things. So I like, like we were saying, so I appreciate it. I appreciate you all join me here tonight to gild GCD and discussed this occult esoteric review of the nineteen eighty five cinematic masterpiece Back to the Future. And I appreciate the folks with the interwebs staying with us. We got we folks seem to be enjoying the conversation.

I know.

I am so like to go on a round table here and uh give everyone, you know, any closing statements, any plugs you want to do by all me to take your time, not trying to rush anybody, but you know who We'll start off with, Heidi, since you're down there in the bottom right, let's start down there.

Well, thank you so much for putting up with me tonight. You guys, I'm I nerd it out.

I'm so sorry.

Good me to I was, Yeah, it was fun. I love the show. I love I love the second one almost as much. So it was just this series right, yes, always always a.

Great time to be a colt rejects And anytime I can come on and be on a show with JJ is amazing.

So thank you, guys, you ma'am, thank you, thank you.

Find me anywhere podcasts are served Unfiltered Rise podcast dot com. I also know if you watch me on YouTube it's only once a week drop versus twice or more on Spotify, just because they dig me so much.

Love to all of you, Thank you for watching, Julia.

Appreciate you joining us ma'am as always since I got about you joining us in Golden Child, I'm glad you could make it back around too. We'll have to do a non occult necessary review and talk to some other parapolitics as we often cross over in a lot of our ideas and subjects we we enjoy, not not the least of which Tuesday Wild.

Hey, you know what would be a nice follow up to Tuesday Weld. We we could really throw down on JFK. Junior because that's another one of my faiths that I'm doing.

Kids once again. Once again, like I said, a lot of cross every You may have well just read my mind because Heidi and I were on the sixth Census since a sixth Sensory podcast last night, and I came to the revelation when we were talking Society of Cincinnati that JFK. Junior was likely a dual member of the Society of Cincinnati won the French chapter and won the Maryland chapter and that's a longer tail, but it's wow.

No, yeah, I would. I'd love to pick your guys' brain on him, because that's that's another topic I could just talk about forever. But thanks so much for having me on this one. I love back to the few. I love the third one. You can skip me on the esoteric review of the second one because I think it sucks sticks, but the first one.

In the third one, I'm down.

You think it's garbage.

Jay, Yeah, I.

Don't like it.

And you know, it's funny to think where they thought we would be in twenty fifteen and we're still just lame weirdos. No flying cars, no hoverboards, no self tying shoes. I mean, I don't like the second one. But thanks so much for having me. This was really fun. Jen, n Heidi JJ, You're all awesome. I love working with you. I think we covered a lot of ground on this one.

For sure.

Jen.

Greeting, sir, how about you share some more wizard skills with us this evening. I appreciate your reviews. Yay, I'm convinced of it. Man, you've always you're always having some wizardry on me.

You know, I I love to play the hermestissis one I had when he lies, it's like Nick already knows how he also knows just because she's into it like that, but Nick actually knows because there's that it's him.

I love.

It's my favorite thing to play plus ultra on on live. So there you go. There's I'm admitting it. No, I want to thank you guys obviously, Thank you JJ so much for inviting me, including me on this years. I know that we get a lot of cool people liking my posts about this, so it's like it's it's a big It's interesting for me to like see these people who I think are like cooler than me and they're

Oh yeah, that was awesome.

Nick.

As always, I appreciate your time as always, sir, and look forward to our Friday conversation. Come up with as always with our cars Fridays together. Yes, yeah, Austin, wait the car.

But what else?

What else? Your thoughts on closing statements tonight and anything else you want to plug?

Oh well, I think well, first off, I'm thankfully after posting it was gonna be the most comprehensive covering of Back to the Future. That's what exactly happened, So thank you everybody. I think that was amazing. It was three hours long. There was a lot, a lot of a lot of stuff in there. That's what's yes, Yeah, it was. That was called recheck style. So and I will just one thing I just want to add. I do think, and I think we've all kind of said it as

Uh.

I do think if you look at everything that we talked about, in my opinion, all that stuff is in that movie on purpose. It's all been added to the scene. It's all there for a reason. I think the way we all looked at it and pretty much came to the same stuff, I think you can kind of see that that's the choreographed that doesn't happen by Actually I don't think.

I mean, there it is, JJ.

You finally found it.

For that yep, to that point you were making it and to Julius Common earlier. There you go. That's the opening scene, and there's Doc Brown hanging from a clock tower in the background of that opening scene.

Everything is on purpose, dude, Every little thing is on purpose.

Even me bringing this up right now is on purpose. I was waiting for this moment.

I love it.

Yeah, man, I love that was on the clock it says axis.

Oh yeah, that's a room too. The kid hanging from anything. It's thorn. Actually, I don't really know the rooms. I hate the Norse stuff.

I'm like, you need, I'm all. Julie's even got the same hat on. He's got that hat on.

That's what I'm telling you, dude.

It's Doc Brown for sure. Dude. That's crazy.

The shadow doesn't match and it's very phallic looking.

Sorry, you're good. No, by all means. But I mean, this is what we're talking about here, right, we're closing it out here with exactly this is the great great closing m hm. It's like the.

Amazon sign almost, right, yeah, dude, Or.

Like if you look at it maybe from the side, it kind of looks like the whole compass thing.

I don't know, right, right, well, why is there a pretty aspect to a two D object here?

Right?

Exactly?

Well, I think it might be.

I think it might be three D though I think like.

The guy I thought I was painted on, Okay, no, I don't. Is this more of that duality.

It is?

I mean, I see the shadow I thought it was because it was like as the clockhand moves, the little guy moves with it.

You know, you may be right, you may be right. I was just being painted on there with that kind of shadow of it as well. Like the duality nature of it's still.

M yeah, because then is he who travels through time? It's not. It's not someone who's matten right, Like they're out to master traveling, right like they they they they solved time travel, They solve that paradox, they solve that area between the hill and the valley. That's done. Now the next thing is that you did is conquer space. It's just a metaphor for the whole film. It's like the hermetic journey.

And again and again my response, don't you again?

Almost innate.

It's almost like he's trying to hold it back from being an eight once again.

Here, Yeah, the bottom it will look like the bottom one would be on an eight anyway.

Right, I was gonna say, I think you have this all hands on the eight.

Yeah, but it's it's not quite right, right, it's.

Not it's almost it's almost eight am, right, yeah, it's seven fifty.

Four, right, So he's holding back time, so there can't be a complete, a completeness of infinity.

Well, I think all those clocks here on that same time, right, there's this one, right.

Is that right?

Chelieu?

Yeah, they're all on the same time exactly, remember from the phone call exactly twenty five minutes late?

Right, Yeah, that's right?

Okay, nice, nice. Now I don't remember where I was going with that before, but I like those points. That's good stuff.

Oh.

My response to all this, my response to all this scot there you go. So now I I appreciate everyone's time, and uh if I if I can offer a couple quick plugs. Like I said, I got Operation GCD Live Sundays coming up here eight pm Patreon only with links in the show notes, along with links for all of our wonderful guests here in the Occult Rejects panel. Here this evening full blown a cult Rejects panel. And I got this Sunday at eight pm Eastern time. I got

He wanted to wear you like an Edgar suit.

Yeah, he was like. He told me to put the lotion on the skin, and you know, I was like, wait, what's wrang?

Yeah, dude, about what.

Are you talking about? Lotion?

Fatten you up so you could hibernate together, all right, right?

Well, strangely enough, the man he murdered, he actually hired him to be his pr rep heed. So again, this is the life and times of that I have to deal with here in the circumstances and whatnot. But I appreciate all folks at the innerwebs tonight and tune in and chatting and seem to be fairly well engaged in and joining the things I like to see that I always aim to entertain here, and I believe many of most of the rest of the panel here does, except

Where we're going, we don't need roads.

That's great. Scott Batt