The David Ferrie File Section 2 Part 2

Ferry actually represented. So here we go, let's kick it off. Mister Landry was born on January thirteenth, nineteen forty five, and is now twenty two years old. He stated to me that he first met Ferry when he was a member of the Lakefront CAAP. He said this was around late fifty eight or early fifty nine. He said Batista was still in power in Cuba, so he imagines it must have been late fifty eight. He says he was fourteen years old when he joined the CAAP and lived

at five two two one Arts Street. He said that he first met Ferry about four months after he joined the Lakefront CAP. The CAAP used to hold meetings at the Lakefront Airport on Friday night and Sunday afternoon on a weekly basis. He said that it was at these meetings that he met Ferry. He said that sometime in nineteen fifty nine, after Castro had taken over in Cuba, Dave Ferry disappeared for about seven to nine weeks, and the next time he saw him was on a Saturday afternoon.

He was at the CAAP meeting when Ferry came to the meeting with al Cheremi in Ferries fifty three. Tan Ford Sharemy was driving the car. As Ferry could not move around as he was apparently injured. Jeremy got out of the automobile and started moving all Fairies papers and files from the CAP building and began putting him in

Ferry's automobile. It seems that Ferry had some misunderstanding with Colonel Morrell and Pat Prinz's mother, and as these two people sort of ran the Lakefront CAAP, it appeared that they had asked Ferry to resign. Ferry did resign from the Lakefront CAP and formed his own CAP group called the Falcons. He did this about five months after he resigned from Lakefront. This group actually came into existence in

late nineteen fifty nine. It was shortly at this time that Landry said he ran away from home, which dated back to early nineteen sixty. Landry said that approximately one year later, while Ferry was living at three thirty one Atherton Drive, Ferry told him about the incident that occurred to him when he disappeared for about seven to nine weeks.

Ferry mentioned this after he had a lively discussion with Landry in regards to his views concerning the Cuban situation that he and Arcocia Smith and some other Cuban friends would liberate Cuba from Castro. Landry told him that he had no idea that Ferry could liberate Cuba, and that he questioned his ability to do so. Ferry at this time told him of the incident which had occurred when he was away from the city for seven to nine weeks.

Ferry said that a couple weeks prior to the time, when Landry had seen him in the car with cheering me at the airport removing his equipment, he and several other Cubans had been to Cuba in an effort to help the Cubans escape from Castro's prison. Ferry told him that during one of these visits to Cuba, he ran into some trouble and was attacked by a Castro soldier and was stabbed in the stomach. He showed Landry a scar across his stomach, approximately ten to fifteen inches long,

which he said resulted from the stab wound. Ferry at this time told him he was working for the CIA rescuing Cubans out of Castro's prison in Cuba. He said he was called down to Miami and stayed there approximately one week in a hotel before he was contacted by the CIA men in Miami. He said that he attributed the delay in being contacted to the fact that the CIA wanted to test him to see if he was the type of person who told his business to anybody

on the street. He said that a woman from the CIA was sent to his apartment and tried to get information from him about his activities with CIA, but that he did not tell her anything and it was after this test that he was actually contacted by the CIA people in Miami. He said that shortly thereafter, he in about nine Cubans flew down to a point close to Cuba, and they then got on rubber rafts and went into Cuba and rescued some prisoners out of the prison camps.

He said it was during this incident that he was stabbed. The soldier who stabbed him was killed by some of the people in his party, and they carried him to safety with them. Landry says he can recall that during his relationship with Ferry, Ferry received long distance calls from Miami. In Cleveland. Ferry also told him that Arkacha Smith was the third man in line in the Cuban hierarchy when Cuba would be liberated. The number one man lived in Miami.

Landry said that he can recall that at one time the number one man, whose name he can't remember at the moment, was supposed to make a trip down to New Orleans to see how the Cuban revolutionary Front was making out, and the planing was to come on, was hijacked and taken to Cuba. He said that Ferry then asked him if he would liked to make a trip down to Miami to pick up the number one man and fly him down to New Orleans in a private plane. Landry told him that he would go with him, but

Ferry never did anything more to him about this. That never did mention anything more to him about this. Landry said that Ferry often told him that when Cuba will be liberated from Castro, he would be a very big man in Cuba, and he wanted Alandry to go and live with him in Cuba. He said they would live like kings because the people would always look at them like their savior. Ferry said that there were three branches working for the liberation of Cuba, one of Miami, one

in New Orleans, and won in Texas. Landry said that after the Bay of Pigs, Ferry became annoyed with the CIA and often belittled the CIA and President Kennedy. He said the CIA in President Kennedy had screwed up the whole invasion and that they betrayed the Cuban people by

refusing to send their air support that was promised. Landry said that Ferry had a blackboard in his apartment and he often drew on his own blackboard the actual plans for the invasion of Cuba, explaining what the Cubans were supposed to do and at what point the CIA was supposed to send the air support. Landry said he talked as if he knew all about the battle plans and

the invasion. Ferry told him of how the boats got in touch with the CIA and requested the air support and the CIA and had Kennedy on the hotline, and how Kennedy was supposed to give the ok for air support. But he said that Kennedy and the CIA did not intervene like they said they would. The Cubans were promised by the CIA that when the time was right after some troops, right after some troops had already gotten on

the island, they would furnish the air support. Landry said he can remember going to Arcata Smith's house on the lake front somewhere with Ferry and some other people and watched actual films of the invasion. Landry said that he joined the service in June of sixty two and came out in June of sixty six. He said he had no contact with Ferry during the time he was in the service, and actually had not seen him for a few months before he had joined the service. It seems

like the document cuts off there. I know Landry give a lot more statements than that. Maybe they'll pop up here shortly, but we're going to move on to the next document. Memorandum April fourteenth, sixty seven to Jim Garrison from Jim Alcock, Executive Assistant District Attorney, referenced Lawrence Fox, thirty six twenty six Dante Street, New Orleans. On Friday, April fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven, I, along with Kent Simms

of our staff, interviewed mister Fox. Mister Fox is presently employed by Houser American Printing Company at four forty one Gravier Street in the city of New Orleans. Lawrence Fox was a CAAP cadet from approximately November nineteen fifty five until March nineteen fifty seven. His unit was located at the New Orleans Airport. During this time, he does not recall ever having met Lee Harvey Oswald. From March fifty seven through December fourteenth fifty nine, Fox was a member

of the Armed Services United States Air Force. In the latter part of December nineteen sixty, he again joined the Civil Air Patrol as a senior member. He remained a member of the CAP until approximately October nineteen sixty. During this time, he was the administrative assistant to David Ferry, who was the commanding officer of the unit. Fox recalls having gone to Ferry's house in Jefferson Parish on a

few occasions. At times that he was at Ferry's house were pretty usually at a party given by CAAP members. As he recalls, some of the members of the squadron at this time were Almeister, Carl Costa, and Leyton Martins. During the summer of sixty one, Lawrence Fox solicited funds for the Crusade to Free Cuba. As a result of this work, he was introduced by Dave Ferry to Serge Arcachia Smith. Also active at this time with Arcacia and Ferry was Leyton Martin's. In fact, Fox and Martins on

several occasions went out soliciting funds together. On about two occasions, Fox and Ferry went to the International Trademark to solicit funds. However, Fox does not recall what office they went into in the Trademark. He does recall that it was necessary for them to take an elevator to get to the office. On none of these occasions did Fox meet clay Shaw. However, Fox seems to recall having met clay Shaw briefly in the year nineteen fifty five. The occasion for this meeting

was the Inter American Investment Conference. Lawrence Fox's mother was mister Nutter's secretary. Lawrence believes mister Nutter was the President of the International House at the time. Fox does not recall having been in Ferries, Louisiana Avenue Parkway apartment in the year nineteen sixty three. He does not know Perry Russo,

Nils Peterson, Kenny Carter, or Sandrum Moffatt. Fox recalls that a girl by the name of Carolyn Taylor, a CAAP cadet, did some typing in the summer of nineteen sixty one for the Crusader to free Cuba. Fox will attempt to locate any CAAP records he has, and should he find any, will call us and make them available. Memorandum January nineteenth, nineteen sixty seven to Jim Garrison, District Attorney from investigator

Lynn luiseell Ree telephone conversation with Agent number one. Agent number one called Lynn Waseell and told him that Dave Ferry and he had gone to an apartment off the Veteran's Highway to look at some dirty films last night. That this apartment was in one of Carlos Marcello's apartment houses and the apartment was eighteen n but he didn't know the address. He said there were about fifteen people present and he believed that the operator of the show

is a Cuban named Carlos. Agent number one also stated that there were three colored girls whose names were Shwanda, Margaret, and Barbara. He said that Margaret has been with Dave since nineteen sixty two and that she knows plenty of his associates. Shwanda and Barbara haven't been around that long, and that Margaret was Dave's favorite. He said that Dave had asked them Agent number one to burglarize this clerk's house because he felt like he could make some easy money.

He also said that this clerk always had one thousand dollars on him and knows he must keep money in his house. Agent number one said the clerk was do at the airport Monday, and Dave would get his license plate number, check it out and find out where the clerk lives. Then they would burglarize the house with Dave acting as the lookout man and Dave going in. Agent number one also said that Ferry put money in the

NBC bank yesterday. Agent number one said he doesn't know where Ferry gets the money from, because Ferry only makes living expenses by teaching student flyers at the airport. Agent number one said Dave was carrying a rifle in his car and he said he was going to shoot one of those kids that burglarized his apartment. Luazelle asked him

when the apartment was burglarized and what was taken. Agent number one said it was burglarized a few days ago and two reels of dirty film, a letter, and some pictures of Dave Screw and the nigger girl Margaret, and a picture of Frank Woodruff in an army camp standing naked jerking off. Later on this date, Agent number one called me back, Lazel and told me that a Cuban was out talking to Dave a few minutes ago, approximately three pm, and he was sure that Dave called the

cuban Carlos. He said he didn't believe that this was the same Carlos who had shown the film that night. Agent number one also said that David Ferry told him that the clerk would be at the airport Saturday, and that Agent number one was to burglarize the clerk's house maybe Saturday night, but that he would go by himself

and would burglarize the house when everybody was sleeping. Lazelle asked Agent number one why Dave decided that he was not going to go with Agent number one, and Agent number one said that from here on out, I'm going to leave the burglaries to you. That will be your department. Agent number one said that he would call back tomorrow to find out what he should do about the burglary.

All right, the next page is it looks like a page of Dave Verie's last will and testament, at least what we have that was it's not complete from what we read yesterday. Only certain parts of it were released. Or maybe that was the So we have a last will and testament and two suicide notes. I'm sorry, I'm mixing that up. It must have been one of the suicide notes that they only released the section of, because it seems here that we got this whole thing as

far as the will goes. July twenty third, nineteen sixty six. This is my last will and testament, written by my own hand, while of sound mind and body, I bequeath all of my possessions real movable and immovable money, books, airplanes, auto, whatever else I may own or have a right to. At the time of my death to my dearest friend Alvin R. Boboof, I bequeathed especially a diamond ring to be found hidden in my dining room table. I hereby concede and declare no any wills heretofore made by me.

I appoint Alvin R. Boboof as executor of my estate and requests that no bond or inventory be required of him. If any just debts or taxes remain to be paid at my death, I direct that he pay them out of my estate. I declare I have no quote forced heirs. What does that mean? I declare I have no quote

forced heirs. It's rather interesting in light of the fact that Eastern Airlines determined that there was a David Ferry Junior who was a Marine Corps lieutenant in nineteen sixty two, so he had to be born in the early forties. So what was the relationship between David Ferry and David Ferry Junior And why was David Ferry Junior's vehicle seen at David Ferry's apartment, which would indicate that some kind of relationship going on in nineteen sixty two between David

Ferry and his son, David Ferry Junior. Now on the original document, yeah, I believe it was an FBI document, or no, it was the Eastern Airlines document. You have some notes on the side. That paragraph is highlighted and then it says Oswald question mark as if the person and was thinking that the David Faerry Junior stuff was a cover for Oswald. But I don't believe that at all for many reasons. So I declare I have no

forced heirs. I don't know what that means. If you have an idea what that means, hit me up and let me know. Then it says I asked It's signed David W. Ferry, and it says I asked Alvin to notify my brother Parmalee T. Faery in Rockford, Illinois, and Bishop George Hyde in Alberta, Georgia. Parmale T. Faery, it's David Faery's brother, and he worked in the nuclear industry, so he's a guy that probably should have some time

spent on him. The next page is just a copy of the envelope open in the event of my death, so that's not one of the suicide notes. Next one Memorandum July twelfth, nineteen sixty seven two Jim Garrison, District Attorney from Robert E. Lee, Assistant District Attorney, reference to David W. Ferry. David Ferry was a pilot with Eastern Airlines in nineteen fifty nine. I was employed with Eastern Airlines while studying at Tulane in undergraduate school and completing

my law studies at Tulane. It must be a statement during the course of my employment as a flight purser with Eastern, I had on occasion been a member of the same flight crew with David W. Ferry. After graduation from Tulane Law School, I continued to fly with Eastern, mostly at night, and practice law out of my office on Veterans Highway and Metory on a full time basis. I opened my law office in August of nineteen sixty

My second or third client was David W. Ferry. Ferry had purchased some stock in a close corporation whose headquarters were located in Honduras. In addition to buying this stock, he had flown down to Honduras to look into kahuny nut venture. Simply put, it was this. The kahuny nut has a juice which, when it squeezed out and mixed with a certain compound, will harden into a mass as strong as iron and of course rustproof, and will endure

for centuries. There are only two machines available built to squeeze the juice from the kahuni nut. One is in Chicago and one is in Belize, Honduras. The owner of the machine in Chicago won't exhibit or sell his machines since he's preparing to move his equipment to Honduras to start production. Incidentally, m there is only one area in the world where the kahuny nut grows, in the jungles of Honduras, so that if Fairy acts fast, he and

the corporation can lease all the land growing cohune nuts. However, the corporation I eat, the President and his wife and Faerry have to buy the only remaining machine, the one hidden in the jungles of Honduras. I don't remember the president's name, but he knows where the machine is. But he must give two thousand dollars to an official of the Honduran government and in return, the official who also knows where the machine is, will issue an exclusive work

permit to harvest and manufacture kahuny nut juice. Ferry purchased forty five hundred of stock and gave the president of the corporation two thousand for the machine. Neither Fairy's money nor the machine ever got together, and Fairy came to me. The last occasion with David Ferry in my office was when he told me that he wanted to adopt a seventeen year old boy by the name of share Me. I advised him that I would charge him seventy five dollars and would begin to research and to call me

back in a week or so. About three days later, he came to the office extremely agitated. Sharemi had joined the Marine Corps and Fairy wanted him out and was prepared to pay any amount. I patiently explained that the Marine Corps would not discharge except for medical reasons or moral turpitude. Fairry seized on the moral turpitude and asked me to explain exactly what it meant. Upon telling him that moral turpitude included homosexual offenses, he cut me off

abruptly and excitedly exclaimed that's it, that's it. Fairry told me that he and Sharemi had a homosexual relationship. I told Ferry that I didn't believe him, and further that the Marine Corps would insist that a drastic admission such as this be in writing. Fairy immediately pulled my typewriter to him and typed three single space pages giving dates, etc. When he was finished, he triumphantly thrust the document towards

me with a smirk on his face. I read it once, tore it in three pieces, and pulled him to the door and shoved him out. I told him I didn't want him in the office again, and that he owed me seventy five dollars for my trouble and to mail it to my office. On the few occasions that I was a crew member on Faerry's flights, he was a captain.

We flew to Houston, Corpus Christy and Brownsville, with stops between New Orleans and Houston, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, New Iberia, Lake Charles, Beaumont, Port Arthur, thence to Houston Corpus Christy, Brownsville,

and backed the same way the same day. As a rule, the flights would have about thirty minute hangover between stops for passenger deplaying, baggage, cargo handling, etc. During this period of time, the captain would go into the station manager's operations office and check the weather ahead, fuel requirements, etc. The last year I flew off and off and on as a crew member with Ferry was nineteen sixty two.

Ferry never got out of the cockpit from the minute we took off from New Orleans at eleven forty am until we returned at midnight. Ordinarily, the captain at the end of the trip would stop in operations, if for no other reason than to stow his flight bag until his next trip. Faerry never went through operations while starting the flight or ending the trip the times I was

part of his crew. I casually asked them about this in Houston once, and he told me that his life was in danger, that the Communists were out to get him. He did, in fact, appear very disturbed on every occasion. When I knew him in the beginning, he was very talkative and cheerful. But when I saw him in nineteen sixty two, he was grimmed, to say the least, and totally unresponsive to his fellow pilots or crew. Members. I think I was the only one he really talked to,

and then only because I was an attorney. I can remember occasions in nineteen sixty one in nineteen sixty two when Ferry would stop by the office unexpectedly, usually on Saturday afternoons when my office building was deserted. On these visits, he began to tell me something of his extra curricular activities, but only after inspecting my office for bugging equipment and asking me to swear that I was not taping him. These activities consisted of flying to Cuba and back with passengers,

once to the Isle of Pines. He would make these trips via Tampa and one of the Keys, and then on to Cuba. He also mentioned training Cuban guerrillas. In nineteen sixty one or nineteen sixty two, the chief pilot for Eastern in New Orleans asked me, in my capacity as an attorney, to check into a report that Ferry had stolen an ancient two thousand year old crucifix from a Greek Orthodox church, either in Louisville, Kentucky, or Knoxville, Tennessee.

I'm not sure I believe the Jefferson Parish authorities can give us the necessary information in this matter. It seems to me Ferry and the others ransomed this crucifix. The figure twenty thousand comes to mind. The last time I saw or heard of David Ferry was in nineteen sixty two, and it was signed Robert E. Lee all Right. Factual background for reasons stated in Discharge of Captain Ferries is

an Eastern Airlines document during nineteen sixty one. In nineteen sixty two, the following criminal charges were brought against Captain Ferry in Orleans and Jefferson Parish based on sworn affidavids of complaining witnesses. Orleans this is funny. This lists is hilarious. Orleans Number one extortion no prost, January fourth, nineteen sixty three. Two Public intimidation of state witness, no prost January fourth, sixty three and no prost means no prosecution. Three Crime

against Nature no prost, November fifth, nineteen sixty two. Incident behavior with a juvenile and contributing to the delinquency of a minor all no prost November fifth, nineteen sixty two. Then there is a not guilty verdict on February twenty third, sixty two, and then there's two more reports charges unknown, no prost November fifth, nineteen sixty two. So it seems as though David Ferry has some friends up high who

can get him out of trouble A lot. The following information, which should have been revealed in the application for employment or on the pre employment physical Examination Forum, was discovered during the investigation conducted as a result of the above criminal charges. One, in November nineteen forty four, the Saint Charles Seminary refused to allow Fairry to continue in the seminary because of his emotional instability. Emotional instability is another

term for he was a homosexual. Two thereafter, Fairy was treated for his mental problems by doctor A. K. Gardner and doctor Wilford Gill of Cleveland, Ohio. Three. After the above treatment, Fairy reapplied to Saint Charles Seminary but was refused admittance. Over a period of years, Fairry has attempted to gain admittance to other seminaries, but has been refused

on the basis of his record at Saint Charles. Prior to applying at Eastern Ferry had been employed at Rocky River High School in nineteen forty one, Faerry suffered severely from asthma and hay fever, which he controlled by administering shots to himself. All right, so interesting background on David Ferry.

It's pretty obvious what happened to him. He engaged in crimes against nature with having sex with underage boys that caught up to him at Saint Charles, and then he could never get into any other seminary again, and this weighed heavily on him for the rest of his life. Next interview of David Ferry by John Voles at the District Attorney's office, approximately ten am on Thursday December fifteenth,

nineteen sixty six. Were you acquainted with Oswald? Ferry says, to my knowledge, no, I was told and I believe, but I'm not sure. Three years ago, I believe it was mister Wall from the FBI who told me. I think I met Oswald. Something is telling me at the moment, roughly at the age of fifteen. Oswald was fifteen. Ferry says, right, I have no way of estimating this. This was told to me third fourth, fifth hand. When the assassination of

President Kennedy took place. A picture of oz was supposed to have been on television and a young fellow whose name I don't recollect, and the only hook I have is that his uncle runs a florist shop somewhere out on Canal Street, recognized the Oswald face on the TV presentation. He then calls one of the stations WDSU or WWL and says that he recognized the face and knew this fellow Oswald in the interview either newspaper or TV. But I'm pretty sure it was a public rather than an investigation.

He and Oswald had been the Civil Air Patrol cadet program in my unit, And of course this kind of surprised me because I didn't recognize the name of this lad that identified Oswald's picture, this being very frank. When I got hit with this thing, I started my own

investigation for a ten day period. It was back and forth between me and the FBI, so far as I could develop this florist shop fellow I was talking about Edva Bell, so far as I could develop with this florist shop fellow had gone to school with Oswald and tried to get Oswald socialized unsuccessfully as part of the attempt to get him in Civil Air Patrol. I understand he was in there for only a matter of days,

two or three weeks. This young fellow told me that he had, in fact, in company with other cadets, come by my house. As near as I could put that together, I must have been living in Kenner, he said, I had met Lee Harvey Oswald. How'd you get this information? Some through the FBI and some I developed on my own. You have no recollection of Oswald? No, I don't. This is of much interest. A fellow by the name of Jack Martin kicks the whole thing off and gets me involved.

I don't mind this being in a public record. Martin's a psychopath. Martin has a very special vendetta for me. Why, well, first, how do you explain a psychopath? However, there are specific grounds. I used to work for g Ray Gill. Martin fancies himself as an investigator. He acquainted himself with me and tried to get some of Gill's work. Gil would not have him, because, as Gil says, Martin plays both sides of the street. One day I threw Martin out of

the office. Not bodily, but I ordered him out. Remember the time of the first Marcello case in sixty three. Gill is the New Orleans lawyer for Marcello. Martin told Klein that I had Todd Oswald how to shoot a rifle, which is interesting since I am not such a good shot myself in any event that year, the year of the assassination. I am uncertain, but my belief is that Oswald was here in the city of New Orleans. How do you know that, I'm trying to remember newspaper stories,

Klein questioned me about this. To my knowledge and belief, I haven't met Oswald. I was busy working for Gil at that time. Do you know Morris Brownly in what connection? I've known Morris for ten or twelve years. He's been in a lot of trouble during that time. Did you ever take a trip? On November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, whatever, the day that verdict was rendered in the Marcello case, I took a week end vacation. Where did you go? Houston,

Galveston and in Venton. I had some business for Gill to take care of. What business was this with Gil? One of his case in federal court Marion James Johnson was on appeal. I forgot whether I was to ask for money or a transcript or what see. That's the first instance where he doesn't remember what he did. I forgot whether I was to ask him for money or a transcript or what he should know that. Where'd you go first? Houston? What'd you do in Houston? We went

ice skating? Who went with you? Alvin Bobuf and Melvin Coffee. He's a rocket engineer at one of the electronics places. You say you went ice skating in Houston? Do you know what rink? To my knowledge, it was the only one in the area. Used to be one in Baton Rouge. I'm a Yankee and I like to go ice skating, and that whole time during the trial, it was pretty much a seven day a week thing. Do you recall when you went ice skating? When the verdict came in?

As I recall, we had to go back to the office at noon, if I could recall the house the president was shot. It was at a time when we heard the president was shot. In the next two or three hours thereafter the verdict came in. Then we went to the Royal Orleans Hotel and we had a victory party or whatever you call it. This thing must have gone on until supper time. Events are starting to come back. But memory is a tricky thing. Wall would know, Wall would the FBI. I know what you don't seem to know.

Vol says it was in the evening hours you left for Houston. Are we missing a page? No, something's cut off here. It was in the evening hours you left for Houston, and then it cuts off on the next page, it says it starts off with paperwork. We wanted to go ice skating and then hunting. We were going to hunt geese south of Beaumont in that area. To be more specific, seems to me, we got to Houston. How long does it take to get to Houston? How about eight hours? I think? Did you ever fly to Houston?

I fly extensively. I was in Houston three times over the past week. I guess we got there about midnight. Had you planned this trip? We made up our minds when the Marcello trial was over. We were going to take a vacation during or after the trial, even before the Marcello case. Worked for g Ray Gill any hour or any day, that usually was most days and most hours, he leads a wild He leads you a wild chase.

There had been a contemplated trip for some time. You were going hunting, but you didn't know exactly where you were headed for and couldn't have cared less whose car mine? What kind of car? That was a sixty or sixty one Comet wagon. At the time that we left, we had no idea where we were going. You were going hunting. Did you take any weapons? Yes? What kind shotguns? How many? I assume offhand? A weapon apiece? You went to Houston and went ice skating. Do you recall whether it was

the same day you left here? We left at night and we stayed in a motel. I have to go back to the FBI for accuracy. Sometime the next day we went ice skating. I was the only one that knew how Ah, it's funny he says that. But remember, according to Chuck Rowland, he never went ice skating. He just sat by the phone, made a couple of calls and answered couple calls. So it's funny here he's saying that he was the only one who knew how. Vol says, did you rent skates or did you have your own?

Ferry says, we rented them. I don't think I have my own skates. I think we rented them. How long did you stay in Houston? My recollection of the moment is we stayed there that next night, the day we ice skated, That would be November twenty third. Whether we stayed in Houston the night of the twenty third, I don't know. Something tells me we went to Galveston. We were looking for some evening activity. What do you mean nightlife? You can call it nightlife? Were you looking for ladies?

We went down to Galveston. We found that the town was dead. Did you leave for Galveston in the morning or night? Do you know what you did when you got to Galveston? Besides finding it dead? I remember the morning in Galveston because we went out looking for bars and found that the only thing you could buy was beer. By our standards, it was dead. It couldn't get deader. So far, the vacation had been falling on its head. Seems to me it was inclement, some inclemency in the weather, coolness.

I don't know what we expected for November, but we wanted something pleasant. I'm trying to recall whether I stopped at Vinton on the way to Houston or coming back. I think I might have my dates all mixed up here. I think we stayed in Vinton that night, the night of the twenty second, the night of whatever date we left here, we went to Mary and James Johnson's roadhouse, a combination restaurant, bar, etc. And that was invented. Yes.

So here he's saying that they stayed in Vinton that night, the night of the twenty second, which is not true because they went to the Ala Motel at four in the morning. Right, David Ferry wasn't on this trip, not at all. David Ferry was by this time in ham and Louisiana. So let me continue. That was invented. Yes, So what made you decide to go to Vinton? Sooner or later? I was going to have to go there

for Gil. This was two birds with one stone. What'd you do in Vinton talked to Mary and James Johnson the night of the twenty second? Yes, I think so. Once again, if I could get the record, I could tell you. So don't forget this was three years ago. Then you went to Houston after Vinton. I'm recollecting it that way right now. The reasons I'm saying this. When we left Galveston, we decided to go look for geese. I remember I boarded a ferry across a channel down

along the south shore. We did, in fact get to the geese and where there were thousands, but you couldn't approach them. They were a wise bunch of birds. Did you kill him the geese? No? Was that early in the morning daylight, but not early morning. That would be about the twenty fourth. You went to Vin in Houston and in Galveston. I say, it's all right in the absence of anything else. What I say, it is all

right in the absence of anything else. After Galveston, then what we decided to go to Alexandria, Louisiana, where boboof had some relatives. Then we got the idea of staying there for two or three days. I decided to call Gil and tell him we were not coming back for a couple days. Gil told me you better get back. We're in major trouble. Jack Martin told Klein that I knew Lee Harvey Oswald had conspired with Oswald in the

assassination of Kennedy. I came back, and don't recall which day it was, sat in this very office, I was pretty much surrounded by investigators and everybody clin asked me pretty much the questions you're asking me now. They showed me four or five police photos of people and asked if I could identify them, and I couldn't. One was supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald for an arrest for

disturbing the peace here in New Orleans. Klein decided that I did know Lee Harvey Oswald and arrested me as a fugitive from Texas, and they took me over the four first District. I stayed there for a couple of days while all this was checked out. How long did you stay in Alexandria. I don't think a full day. I don't recall staying overnight, and somewhere along the line we thought we'd better check in, and that's when Gil told me to come back at once. Had you arrange

for gasoline? I don't recall. Do you have a credit card? No? None at all. No. Was the trip uneventful? Did you have any difficulty? None that I can recall. The events that stay in mind are ice skating, deadness in Galveston, geese in the phone call to Gill. Did you do any hunting in Alexandria? I don't believe we did again, I would have to go back to something else and refresh my memory. Did you meet any friends? Do you have any acquaintances in any of those towns? I know

Mary and James Johnson a business acquaintance. No one in Houston or Galveston. How about Alexandria. These would be bo Boof's relatives. Did you all three come back together? Just the three of us, boboof Coffee and myself around that particular time in that area was mos What was Morris Browne doing? I don't even know right now. He was just a friend of yours or was he in your unit? I don't think you ever joined the Civil Air Patrol. This is going back twel over thirteen years around that

particular time. Did you ever go hunting with Morris? Does Morris ever go hunting? I would imagine so. I don't know if he ever went hunting with me. I don't know. This isn't the kind of thing you remember. Did you ever take any trip with Morris? Yes? I think so, but I'm not sure about this. I would have to ask a Gill. Somewhere back in sixty one or sixty two, I had to go to Mississippi for Gill on an

old bill. I believe I took Brownly with me because at the time he was doing a little work for Gil. I believe it on one of the many trips we took to Vinton, because we were back and forth quite a number of times. I believe he was on one of those. Morris went along with Alice Goodow. Oh, that's Alice Gidro's Gill secretary, and I went down to one of the small towns New Iberia or somewhere there was a murder case where a defendant had to be interviewed.

That was sixty one and sixty two could have been sixty three. Do you recall where you stayed in Galveston? Nope? Do you recall where you stayed in Alexandria, Nope. My only source would be the FBI. See, Ferry doesn't have a clue. He doesn't have a clue because he wasn't there. And he says, go and he's like, the only source would be the FBI, like they got your back or something, which they did, which is crazy. Vol says, you're positive that all three of you came back together. Ferry says,

that's my recollection. The only way I would know for sure is to call mister Wall or the individual. What is he talking about? But you're positive it was just the three of you that went and came back. Have you ever gone to Dallas? Yes? I was in Dallas in March or April of this year. How about around the time you went to Houston? Thank god? Know, as Gil said, if I had been in Dallas, I would have been in jail since it came up earlier. You said you were supposed to have taught Oswald how to

shoot a rifle. Have you ever taught anybody how to shoot a rifle? Yes? This is in the Civil Air Patrol Cadet program. Teach him how to shoot a twenty two and sometimes something heavier. It's part of the program. Did you teach any of these boys who were on the trip with you to shoot coffee? I don't know. Bo Boof was a born hunter. How about Brownly? He likes the outdoors, but whether he goes hunting, I don't know.

He's the type that would collect botanical specimens, or if he did, he would use a bow and arrow instead of shooting. You say Morris wasn't interested in guns. I don't know, one way or the other. Morris always seemed to come up with an amazing fund of information of all kinds of things. At this moment, my recollection of Morris is that his interest would be physics, rocketry, electronics, and philosophy. Was he ever on these cadet training encampments

that you talk about. I don't recall one way or the other. If you're interested in completing this thing, I will try to remember and write it down for you. What are you doing now? Flying for anybody? In particular flying for myself flight instructions. One of your former associates is one of my customers, Jerry Aurelio. I feel reasonably confident that the FBI agents who worked on this would cooperate and I could get other names, the times and everything else, because at the time we had to work

out a rather fabulous time schedule. They worked out Oswald's and mine too. Then I could give you more definite answers. The two boys that went to Texas with you, were they in your unit at the time. I was not in the same air patrol at the time. Do you know if they knew Morris Dan They're asking a lot of questions about Morris Browne. They must know something that I don't. Yes, I think so, And what connection? In to what depth? I'm not sure. What was Coffee's first name, Melvin?

He worked at Michaud. When was the last time you saw coffee or Bobu? I see Bobou routinely, but coffee not for a long time. He was upset about this because of his job. Who does Bobu fly for? He's not employed as a pilot. He's looking for that kind of employment. Do you know what he's doing now working for his father in law in a meat packing place. Do you make a decent living with this flying? I make a living. I don't know how decent it is.

Do you do any charter flying occasionally? Have you done any charter flying in the sixties, In the first part of sixty one up until sixty one, it was all air carrier for an Airlines Eastern during that time. In your spare time, did you do any flying civil air patrol instructions on the side. Did you do any charter work? It is prohibited. Martin had me go into Cuba. It was in the newspapers. In one hundred and ten mile

an hour plane with four hours of gas. Where you're doing any charter flying at the time when he accused you of this. No, I was supposed to be working for the airline. I was also supposed to have gone in nineteen sixty three. Klein asked me, if that summer I'd been in Cuba, that was some more of Jack Martin. Is Pershing Gervase still around? No, he's not in our office anymore. Do you want to see him? Not especially?

I just wanted to refer you back to him as to why I am in here this morning thinking about Martin's personality, and Martin somehow gets to be near the bride at every wedding, in the corpse at every funeral. He somehow gets involved in civil and criminal affairs. Martin gets in on all these interesting little things. He tried to get Pershing Gervais on brutality. There was a big mess.

For a few days. I have sort of been speculating on why I am here, and I think I and then it cuts off and it picks up the Warren Report, And I think Jack Martin would have seized on this because this is exactly his type of meat. I imagine he would come to someone like Frank Klein, Pershing Gervais or Jim Garrison and sometimes Martin convinces himself on his confections. Sometimes he doesn't. I know he was in the psych ward in Charity for a while, and he was in

the psychic ward in Texas. He used to run a diploma mill in Texas. You feel he's responsible for your being here today? Yes, I feel it is a possibility. Have you read any of these articles? No, I'm too busy trying to earn a living. I do know I have seen statements regarding Governor Connolly. I've got nothing to hide, but I've been trying to figure out for the last two days what I was being subpoened for. And I tried calling everybody to find out what it was all about.

I tried Gil. He didn't know anything. The reason I'm on this Martin thing is that Gil tells me three or four days back, Martin called him and wanted to know where I was, where I was working, and how I could be reached. Gill and I speculated over various possibilities, and this Kennedy thing was one of them. Would you be willing to submit to a polygraph? Certainly I'd be willing to submit to a truth serum. I have no hesitation at all all right, So we got one more page.

Let me see other areas of information which were uncovered during the investigation not previously known to Eastern So this is another Eastern Airlines document and we'll probably wrap it up after this. One Fairies record with the Civil Air Patrol and his organization of an unauthorized unit. Two Fairies connection with a club for juveniles known as the Omnipotence. Three Fairies activities in New Orleans in connection with his claim to have a PhD and to be a research psychologist.

Fairies public claims in New Orleans to be a graduate of Phoenix University. Fairies involvement number five in nineteen sixty in the case of a runaway juvenile. I'll share me some handwritten notes here. I can't really read them. Six Fairies visit to al share me while the boy was in detention under the guise of being a doctor. Oh, he snuck in and he asked to see his victim. That's creepy. Seven Fairies involvement in nineteen sixty one in the case of a runaway juvenile. Al Landry, so he

was involved in two cases of runaway juveniles. Order creep Eight Fairies involvement with the Holy Catholic Apostolistic Church and his expulsion from that organization. Nine Fairies involvement with the American Medical Association, whereby he was worn to stop practicing medicine or face criminal charges. Ten Federal Aviation Agency fine in nineteen sixty for permitting a student pilot to solo

in his aircraft with a passenger. Eleven Fairies speech in nineteen sixty one before his military order of World Wars, which speech was stopped because of Fairies attacks upon the President of the United States. Twelve Fairies claimed that some Eastern employees were Communists and fellow travelers. Again his more handwritten notes kind of illegible refuse will the ferry to

cooperate in company's investigation of above matters. On February eighteenth, nineteen sixty three, the company attempted to continue its investigation of the above matters by inquiries about them to Ferry. He refused to answer any questions the above subjects, including questions about his explanation as to why the criminal charges

had been brought against him. So this is all additional stuff that Eastern Airlines discovered after the fact, and thus they let him go so all right, and that actually brings us to the end of the David Ferry File one, Section two, and we will pick up on Monday with the David Faerry File two Section one. I. We'll see you then, guys,