The David Ferrie File Section 2 Part 1

the Kennedy assassination. It's the easiest person to prove is in Dallas and was one of the shooters on the knoll. And so yeah, let's hop right back into it. This is the beginning of file one, Section two. This collection of documents is kind of a mix of FBI and Garrison files. I don't think Garrison compiled this one. This one's four hundred and something pages. The Garrison file is three hundred and something pages, but it was a very little overlap.

All right, So here we go. This is a memo February twenty eighth, nineteen sixty seven to Jim Garrison from Andrew Scambra and Louis Ivan reference the interview with David Ferry. On Saturday, February eighteenth, nineteen sixty seven, at approximately three thirty pm, Louis Ivan and I interviewed David Ferry in his apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway. As we approached the house, Faerry came out on the porch and looked at us and began to walk down the steps to open the

front door for us. As he opened the door for us, he told Ivan that he was glad we finally decided to come and talk to him, as he had been trying to get in touch with Garrison or Ivan for several days. He told me hello and asked me what I was doing with Ivan, and I explained to him that I was an assistant DA now and thought that I would come along with Ivan since we knew each

other from the airport. He told us to go on upstairs and that he would follow us, but that it would take him some time to climb up the stairs as he was sick and weak and that he had not been able to keep anything in his stomach for a couple of days. He moaned and groaned with each step he took from the stairs. From the bottom of the top. This behavior by Fairy impressed me as phony act, and I'm sure he was not as sick as he

pretended to be. Once inside the apartment, Ivan and I sat down, and Fairry laid down on the sofa in the front room. He was wearing pants and a T shirt and had two pillows under him. There was a young man in the apartment in his early twenties who was a friend of Fairiy's from the Lakefront Airport. His name was Bert Johnson, and I remember him from when I was working out there. Fairry had given him flying instructions, and he told me he had already acquired his license.

My first conversation with Ferry centered around airport talk and about people we both knew from the airport. He said he had often wondered what had happened to me, and that he thought I'd gone into private practice. He said that he knew a lot of it and they were all dumb, with a few exceptions. He then said that he the reason he had called us was that he

was getting concerned over our investigation. He'd heard all kinds of rumors that he was going to get arrested and that he wanted to find out if these rumors were true. He said that as a result of these rumors, he'd been asked to leave the airport and now he was concerned over how he was going to make a living. That flying was his only enjoyment in life. Ferry said he was suffering from encyphalitis and that he could not get any rests because of the radio, TV and press

boys hounding him to death. Ferry said his phone rings from morning till nights, and that he talked to Sam Depino from Channel twelve until early hours of the morning. Fairy said Sam was trying to con him, but that he was too smart to fall for his line, and that all those people were bastards. Just then the phone rang and it was a reporter from the Times Picky Un, and he said that he would positively not grant interviews and that he was tired of all those bastards calling

him up. Thet or must have told him something, because he said he was not calling him a bastard personally, but referring to the news media in general. He then hung up the phone. Ferry picked up the Pickie Un paper and said he wanted to show us portions of the story that really disturbed him. He said the newspapers can kill anybody they want to, and that it was never more evident than the case of Carlos Marcelo and Jimmy Hoffa. Ferry said the newspapers tried to frame both

of these guys. Then he talked about the Marcello trial that he was working in nineteen sixty three and how the newspapers tried to crucify Marcello. He said Marcelo made asses out of all of them when he was acquitted. Ferry said he wanted to know why we brought Miguel Torres back from Angola. He said he knew what people would do to get out of prison, and he thought Garrison was trying to frame up by using Miguel Torres. Ferry said that if this would happen, he would sue

us and everybody. Ferry said he'd been contacted by some big attorneys in Washington, d c. And they wanted to help him. Ferry also said he did not like the way Garrison was answering questions put to him by newsman and that Garrison should make a definite statement and not say no comment. He said the no comment stirs more shit than an hour's speech. Ferry said Garrison knew this

and that he was obviously using this for publicity. I assured him that Garrison was not trying to frame anybody, and that he was avoiding the press and he could not say much less to the press than no comment. Then, Fairry said he wanted to talk to Garrison personally. We told him we would try to arrange a meeting in the near future. Ferry then began to curse Jack Martin and said Martin started all of this stuff. He's correct,

by the way, Martin did start all this. Ferry said Martin was jealous of him because of his relationship with g Ray Gill, and that Martin was trying to ruin him. He said Martin is a screwball and should be locked up. Ferry then said Garrison had better be careful because he knew some people were trying to torpedo him. That he knew of three people on a local level and a couple people on a national level who are trying to ruin them politically and are trying to embarrass him politically

with this assassination investigation. Ferry said he did not want to mention the names of the local people, but Garrison should be smart enough to know who they were. He then began to talk about Frank Klein and inferred that this man was one of the local persons trying to destroy Garrison. However, when Ivan asked him if Klein was one of the people he was referring to, Ferry said

that in time we would find out. Faery. Ferry did say that Hoover was one of the people on a national level who was trying to destroy Garrison because Garrison had dared to criticize the Bureau and has the whole country wondering if they're as smart as the Keystone cops. However, Ferry said he was just glad about this. As far as he's concerned, all cops are bastards and he has

no use for any of them. Ferry also said he had heard that some people in Washington were talking about the investigation, and that two days before the story broke in the newspaper, some people were saying that Garrison would call a press conference Friday and give the story to the press. Ferry didn't say. Ferry said he didn't want to give out any names as he didn't want JEdgar on his ass too. He then asked to speak to Garrison again because he wanted to see if he were

serious about the whole thing. I told him that Garrison was more than serious, and that we were checking out all our leads and information. I then told Fairy he could tell me what he wanted to say, and I would tell Garrison for him. Ferry said he wanted to talk to Garrison himself and look him in the face. I then asked Ferry to tell me where he was on November twenty second, sixty three and how he'd become

so involved in this. Ferry said it was all on account of a trip he made to Houston, Texas on the afternoon of the twenty second to ice skate. He said that all he wanted to do was relax after the Marcello trial, and he just had the urge to go ice skating. Ferry said, as it had turned out, it was the worst trip he'd ever made in his life. I asked Fairy what he did in Houston. Ferry said, ice skate? What else? I said, I don't know, Dave,

you tell me. Ferry said that I was a newcomer around the game and that my office knew more about the trip than he did, Ferry said, ask your boss. He had me arrested. When I got back into town. I was booked as a fugitive from Texas and I've never been to Texas. I asked him to tell me about the arrest, as I didn't believe we would arrest

a man who was perfectly innocent. Ferry told me I had a lot to learn about life, and that I was a starry eyed kid right out of law school, and I was still believing the inscriptions on the courthouse walls. Ferry said that after a while, when you get a little smarter, you'll see that this is a stinking world, and what I told you at the airport is true. I told Fairy that what he said may be true,

but that still doesn't tell me about the arrest. Ferry said, all right, I'll go through the speel again for your benefit. Ferry said that after he had taken his trip to Texas, he and bobuf and Coffee stopped in Alexandria, and he called g Ray Gill ladies and gentlemen. I still haven't figured out why they went to Alexandria. It's kind of out of the way if they're just on their way home. By a long shot, so I still don't know why they went there. There was a hotel there connected to

clay Shaw that the FBI heavily investigated. Don't know what that means, but I believe that Alexandria stuff might have to do a clay Shaw, But I just don't know yet. Gil told him the police were looking for him and that they wanted to ask him some questions about the assassination. He said that then the draw he drove back to New Orleans and dropped boboof off at his apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway so he could go upstairs and call some girls for them. Oh bullshit, He said that. He

and coffee then went to the grocery store. He said that when he and coffee was returning to the apartment, he noticed a bunch of cars around his apartment and a lot of people. Ferry said he figured it was a police so he went back to the store and telephoned. Ferry said, some dumb ox answered the phone and tried to suck him into conversation, but he just hung up. He said. He then dropped coffee off and went to Hammond Louisiana. I asked him where in Hammond. Ferry said,

by a friend. I asked him what friend, and he burst out laughing and said, I'll say one thing for you, you sure try hard. He then told me not to try and investigate him, because he could show me in my whole office how to investigate. I didn't press the issue any further, but later on he told me that he did not stay in a motel, but with a friend who would remain anonymous. Besides, he said, I got friends

all over the world. I said that was very interesting, but that I wanted his opinion on one other small matter. He asked what I said, Dave, who shot the president? He said, well, that's an interesting question. I've got my own thoughts about it. Ferry then sent his friend into another room to get an anatomy book and a pathology book, and he pulled out a sheet of paper and began to sketch on it. Ferry drew a sketch of the Texas School Book Depository and of the parade route and

of the area in general. That's interesting, huh. Ferry said that before he would definitely draw a conclusion, he would have to have more information in facts. Ferry then went into a long spiel about the projectory of the trajectory of the bullets in relation to heightened distance. He said that different guns and shells have different trajectories, and that bullets tend to drop as they are shot. Ferry said the Warran Commission did not have enough pertinent scientific information

to come to an objective conclusion. He said he did not read the warrant report, but what he read proved to him that the Commission did not know what they were doing. Fairy went into a long spiel about JFK's neck wound. In the course of his lecture on anatomy and pathology, he named every bone in the human body and every hard and soft muscle area. He talked extensively

about the dermis and epidermis. Fairry said that if the same bullet that struck JFK in the back or neck eventually struck Connolly, that Connelly or Kennedy had to be a contortionist. He then rattled off some more scientific information in regard to bones and skin and how a bullet a bullet decreases in speed when it strikes an object, and how the same bullet could not possibly have caused

all that damage. Ferry said that the question would not be answered because the doctor who performed the tricheotomy had ten thumbs and left unanswered the most important question of all time. Fairy then laughed and said that doctors are almost as stupid as lawyers, but that lawyers are worse because they are always in your pocket. Okay, this is an interesting couple sentences. Let me reread this and see

if you catch what I caught. Ferry said that. Ferry said that question would never be answered because the doctor who performed the tracheotomy had ten thumbs and left unanswered the most important question of all time. That's pretty interesting because my current belief is that Fairy fired the first shot that struck Kennedy in the throat. I've been reviewing that lately, and I'm open to some alteration of that theory, which I'll get into in a future show, but that's

currently where I stand on it. And for him to be making comments about the tracheotomy when I believe he's the one who did the throat shot, it's pretty interesting. Pretty interesting. Why he would bring that up, I don't know. I then said, in other words, Dave, you don't buy the one shot theory. Ferry said he wasn't saying anything because he didn't want jed Gar Hoover on his tail. That he had enough with Garrison to contend with. Ferry said that in time he would work the whole thing out,

and then laughingly said he would contact our office. I noticed at this point that he was in very good spirits and was laughing and joking, and even commented that he's feeling pretty good now that he said three cups of coffee already and hasn't thrown up yet. Ferry then received another phone call from Steve Lyttleton and his wife and joked with Littleton's wife about how he knew that she had dated Lee Harvey Oswald and that he was

going to tell Garrison on her. She must have told him that she had seen his picture in the paper, and he replied that he didn't like it because it made him look unphotogenic. She also must have asked Fairy if it was him that some people identified with somebody or at some place, and he said that the people are mistaken or he had a common face. After he hung up the phone, we told him we had to leave. Fairry said he had more to tell us about the

one shot theory. We told him to save it for another day, as it was dark already and we had to meet Garrison. I then asked him if he would like to tell me some more about his trip to Hammond, and he smiled and said, go to Hell. I then asked if he stayed with Clay Shaw. He said, who's Clay Shaw? I said, all right, if that doesn't ring a bell, how about Clay Bertrand. He said, who's Clay Bertrand. I said, Clay Bertrand and Clay Shaw the same person.

He asked who said that? I said, Dean Andrews told us. He said, Dean Andrews might tell you, guys anything, you know how Dean Andrews is. Ferry then started to go into another lecture and we told him we had to go. He followed us down the stairs and walked out on the sidewalk with us. Ferry asked Ivan to be sure and call him. Ivan assured he wouldn't be left. So

that's an interesting little interaction. Right. You can see where parts of the fairy stuff from the movie JFK was pulled from this report right when he asked him, Dave, who shot the president? Right? So interesting? Huh? All right? So the next page in this document, I was gonna skip it, but look in looking at it real quick, I might as well. Because I never talk about what's his name, case, Miguel or whatever the fuck. I never he's to me. He's a side quest, you know, not

necessary for the main story. So I don't really talk about him much. But this document here is dated March first. It looks like, you know, I can't say offhand, it kind of looks like a CIA document. There's no real heading on it. It just has the date March first, sixty nine heading Jones Harris underlined Jones. Harris hasn't seen Miguel for a month. Last word from him was cards too. And I can't read the next couple of words something

see below from Mexico and Burma. I can't read the next I can't He's a couple letters in the period. I can't read it. Miguel didn't work out his deal with CIA. Miguel gives Harris the following names looks like mew Reiser S Junior, John Gullet, James J. Looks like Mike's m yk e. S. First name redacted. Pittman ex Navy Captain X Navy commander Thomas. Ummmm, it says Negel

saw at three eight seven thirty three. I'm not sure what that is, and then Wong and then the handwritten name Al with a question mark and says Chinese type CIA. Negel gave Harris info re following two who he said had a hand in Dallas, both working for an outfit called Movement to Free Cuba headed by Tracy Barnes. One

Leopaldo Leopoldo. Lawrence Howard Caucasian Mexican YEP twenty seven to twenty nine, two pounds, five foot ten to five eleven black hair, heavy build, Alpha sixty six YEP Lawrence Howard. See Lawrence Howard is Leopoldo. I don't know why it's such a big fucking mystery anymore. The evidence for Lawrence

Howard being Leopoldo is everywhere. Wrangle Mail Caucasian Cuban, New Mexican twenty eight to thirty hundred and eighty pounds, five eleven to six foot, black hair, large eyes, probably Lauren Hall, although I've never seen that name Wrangle attached to him. Both x CIA. This is probably at the time. This information feels like it's at the time when they were calling William Seymour techs when they were out in California because they were using those aliases out there working in

a job for some reason. It says both XCIA photos in Jackson Square, New Orleans, of Lee Harvey Oswald talking to both. Now that's not true. Ferry also knew both. Yes, that is true. Leon Oswald Mail Caucasian American twenty four to twenty six hundred fifty pounds five eight or five nine. Leon Oswald. Well, that name was used twice. It was used at Odeo's and it was used at the party by Carry Thornley. So Kerry Thornley and William Seymour both

used the name leon Oswald, which is pretty interesting. Says Mail, Caucasian American twenty four twenty six hundred and fifty pounds five eight or five nine, alive on September fourteenth or fifteenth, not alive after September nineteenth, nineteen sixty three. Yeah, that's not true. Nogel left New Orleans for LA on September sixteenth, nineteen sixty three. So there might be actually some overlap with Miguel being in Los Angeles and our guys Howard

and Seymour being out there. It says plots one nineteen sixty two December Miami, Armory. Oh, interesting, I don't know about that. One. Two nineteen sixty three June La the Beverly Hilton, and three nineteen sixty three September to Washington, September twenty sixth scheduled. Okay, September twenty sixth scheduled. That's interesting because all those guys were busy on September twenty six All the Oswalds were busy on September twenty sixth. Then it says Marina's file in San Antonio in April

nineteen sixty three. Now that's really interesting. I need to figure out what's up with San Antonio because it's multiple references to San Antonio in the early life of Oswald that I can't figure out, and Marina having a file in San Antonio. I saw another reference to her in

San Antonio also, so that's pretty interesting to me. All right, moving on, the next one, looks like a teletype, says wu At two n PR Collect New Orleans, LA, twenty three eleven thirty two PCST Time, Inc. Four Nation Garrison and JFK Plot Take two David Ferry from David Snyder, time stringer in New Orleans, So it looks like it's probably a teletype of a pre release of an article. Ben Kate asked me to send full particulars on David

William Ferry. My first contact with Ferry was a telephone call at five thirty pm Friday, February seventeenth, following the appearance of the State's items initial story on the Garrison investigation. He had read the story and he, he said, was tired of remaining silent on the investigation. He felt that he was being persecuted by the DA's office and he was afraid of arrest. Fairy's voice was nasal and almost inaudible. He said he was physically sick. During our first telephone conversation.

His breathing was unsteady. I asked Fairry when I could see him. He told me to make it soon because he might change his mind about talking. I told him I'd be at his house by six pm. I talked to him four and a half hours Friday night. He called me at least once every day after that until his death. He was extremely sick, he said, with encephalitis. He was scared to death of arrest by the District Attorney's office, and he was bitterly convinced that there was

no justice for him in this world. The man investigated on two different occasions by the DA's office in connection with the assassination met me at the downstairs entrance to his apartment at thirty three to three Louisiana Avenue, Parkway. His steps were feeble as we climbed the stairs to the second floor. He apologized for the slowness, saying that he was suffering from encephalitis, but assured me that it was not contagious. He also apologized for the condition of

the apartment. He said the place was being renovated. The living room was heavy with the smell of stale cigarettes. Every ashtray was heaped with cigarette butts. Furniture greasy from sweat and dirt rested on a littered, threadbare carpet. An American flag stood in one corner. Next to it was a typewriter in a case. Doctor Nicholas Chetta, Orlan's Parish Corner, said test showed that the suicide note found in the

apartment was typed on the typewriter. It is my theory that Fairy had just decided on suicide, and the time he called me Friday, he may have had the note written when I talked to him, especially on the phone. It seems to me in retrospect that Faerry just wanted to clear himself then cash in. But by the time we had finished our conversation, he had perked up a little bit. He said he'd like to file a suit that would allow him to subpoena Garrison and expose the

harassment he Fairy was going through. I encouraged him because I thought it would be a good story if he did file a suit. By the time I left his apartment, he was saying they would prepare a suit over the weekend to file on Monday. He called Sunday to say he planned to get together with an attorney on the suit. He said he was feeling better and sounded better. By Monday he was working in an attorney's office trying to

get the suit together. The target of the suit was vague, but one of those sued would apparently be Jack Martin, a nuts and a self styled private detective who we said had supplied Garrison a list of names both in nineteen sixty three and last year to check out in connection with the assassination. Ferry's name was on both lists. By this time, Ferry was reading every scrap on the Garrison probe and taking almost a happy go lucky attitude

toward the investigation. It is well known in New Orleans that if there is a rift between the FBI and the DA's office. Ferry had been down to the FBI's office on Monday, he said, to talk to the agents. One of the agents told him, I know where you were the day Kennedy was assassin assassinated. You were cooling your heels with me in Federal District Court. This is mentioned in an early file. That's Regis Kennedy they got to be talking about. This is mentioned in an earlier file.

Fairy said the FBI boys were chuckling about the Garrison investigation. Ferry asked me if I could find out exactly when Oswald was in New Orleans. He said he needed the information for his suit. I looked up the dates in a condensation of the Warren report and gave it to him. He said he was having trouble getting the suit together, but it was apparently occupying most of his day. He talked to my wife on Tuesday. He had a new theory on the trajectory of the bullets that entered Kennedy's body.

He wanted to take me to a toxicology lab to show me what he's talking about with a cadaver. He also complained of headaches, but by now he had stopped asking me if I thought he would be arrested. He had almost become like a spectator as far as the Garrison investigation was concerned. He oozed good natured confidence. I talked to him Tuesday evening, and he said he'd been watching a TV news show with interest. He was in

a good mood. Wednesday he was dead. The change in attitude over the space of almost a week leads me to believe that he was at a low ebb when he called, but had decided to live and fight back after all. For this reason, natural death immediately made more sense than suicide. He left a long note, only two paragraphs of which have been made public. It has been Oh, he left a long note, only two paragraphs of which have been made public. Hmmm, where to Fock's the rest

of it? I wonder now? I want to know. It has been described as philosophical in nature, the center of things in Fairy's apartment was a coffee table placed in front of a couch. It held an overloaded ash tray and a cluster of bottles containing pills and liquid medicine. The DA's office said fifteen bottles of medicine were found in the apartment. I would say that there were many on the table on Friday at last, or at least, it was the room of a man who had given up.

Faerry either propped himself against the arm of the sofa or reclined full length against two soiled pillows as he related the details of troubles that had reduced him from a man of means to poverty. It is a matter of record that Ferry was arrested in nineteen sixty one on a morals charge in Jefferson Parish, with committing a

crime against nature and indecent behavior with juveniles. New Orleans police reported Ferry had attempted to intimidate one witness, a sixteen year old boy, who told officers that he signed a paper promising not to prefer charges against Ferry. Other youths told police Ferry took them on airline flights to Houston and Corpus Christi, Texas. On different occasions. One boy told officers he had flown to Cuba with Ferry, and another reported to police at Fairry had asked him to

drive a Cuban citizen to Miami. Ferry was not convicted. All the charges were no prost, but about that time Ferry was bumped from the payroll of Eastern Airlines, where he'd been a respected pilot. In our conversation, Fairry contended he was framed by Jefferson Parish authorities, and in fact authorities tried to shake him down for five thousand dollars to drop the matter. Fairry was bitter at the world. He said the courts offered no justice, that the federal

government offered no protection to citizens. From time to time he broke into an almost NonStop narrative of his troubles to lash out at the law, at justice in the news media. His head covered with a wig that was a rusty shade of red, his shoes off, and a cigarette or cup of coffee constantly in his hand, Ferry talked on and on. Once he questioned the Warrant Commission report on the trajectory of the bullets that crashed into

Kennedy's body. He dragged books on anatomy and physiology from a back room and launched into a medical dissertation on the assassination. He seemed to know the human body like his living room, and you caught flashes of brilliance as he expounded on his theories. It was because of his knowledge of science that he had become a part time investigator. Ferry is a pilot, he told me, But in k complex cases involving science, several attorneys have founded advantageous to

have me investigate for them. He worked for top attorneys in towns, such as g Ray Gill, defense lawyer from mafia character Carlos Marcello. Whatever else he was, Ferry was respected as an investigator and a pilot, considered by several people around town as a top flier and instructor. Fairy would have been forty nine years old in March. The reason for the Texas trip on the day Kennedy was shot,

said Faerry was spur the moment thing. One guy remembered there was a nice skating rink in Houston, so we decided to go skating. This version is disputed by one of the two persons who went with Ferry. He said the trip was planned for a week, and no hunting equipment was taken, was Fairy's claim. Faerry's mind dwelled on arrest. He said several times he wanted me to arrange a lie detecer test for him in case he was hauled in. I asked Ferry if he thought the Garrison investigation was

a phony? Why? Certainly? He said, how could it be anything else? Again, he said, my assessment of Oswald is such that he would be incapable of conspiring because he would be incapable of any interpersonal RelA relationship, especially in anything as delicate as a conspiracy to kill only a nut would be a co conspirator because he was so erratic of the investigation, Faerry said, Psychologically, I think it

is an utter waste of time. I understand that Tonight television carried a story quoting a doctor who treated Ferry as saying that Ferry had been extremely sick three weeks before we called the paper. The doctor said, Ferry decided to call me at the newspaper because his friends had stopped calling him. When he called to find out why, he told him the DA had been talking to them. This was apparently the last straw. TV also quotes the doctor as being told by Ferry that he wanted to

file five million dollar lawsuit against Garrison. Ferry told me the suit would be against Jack Martin, whom he said started everything, and United Press International for something they had carried. I am vague on this point. One more point. Ferry was listed in the city directory as a psychologist regards David Snyder interesting stuff. Interesting stuff. So let's continue on. Next one is stamped Life. I'm assuming Life magazine to

billings in Haskell from Angle off Washington. The Army was able to confirm only the barest outline of what you already knew about Fairy's military background, but it is hard the hard confirmation. He enlisted in the Army Reserve Corps on the thirteenth of April nineteen fifty. He gave his birth date is March twenty eighth, nineteen eighteen. Was given serial number e R one five two nine six zero

four nine. He was on active duty Fort Unknown from August sixth until August twentieth, and from August twenty eighth until November twenty fifth, all in nineteen fifty. That break apparently was some sort of leave. He was discharged on April seventeenth, nineteen fifty three, in New Orleans. Sorry it's so skimpy, but the Army says it's all it has. Since reserve records from that time are not kept in the Pentagon, and no one really seems to know where

they are. So interesting, so David Ferry confirmed Army reserve again. I'm convinced that Army Reserve is just a cover for intelligence. And this time period of April of nineteen fifty this comes right after a time when in nineteen forty seven or forty eight, Ferry was seen with clay Shaw at the airport in Venice, Florida, the same airport the nine to eleven hijackers trained at. It was least to clay Shaw directly. Fascinating piece of the puzzle there to me.

It shows David Ferry was CIA from the very beginning forty seven and the new new clay Shaw probably from that point onward. And what else then after that? David Ferry, after he's seen at the Venice airport, he is His tax returns show he lived in Tampa, Florida nineteen forty nine and he had two dependents. Eastern Airlines determined he had a son David Ferry Junior, who was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps in nineteen sixty two or sixty three, which means that he would have been born in the

early nineteen forties. Somebody he needs to pick up that investigation figure out who David Ferry Junior is. I can find absolutely nothing on the guy. What else is there? So right right after that IRS document from forty nine, he enlists and after being seen with Clay Shaw. I see, I'm assuming he's CIA from forty seven onward if he's

seen maclay Shaw all the way back then. And then he enlisted in the Army Reserve Corps, which would give him some sort of military payroll, I guess, and identification and a cover, right Like I'm convinced reserves are cover, Like goddamn Tulci Gabbard was reserves for goddamn ever, she's fucking intelligence for sure now the DNI, And so I think that's all reserves really are for a lot of people.

Oh right. February twenty first, sixty seven memo to Billings from Chandler here with two pick up photos of Arkachia Smith plus confidential report confident on conversation with R. It's just the initial R. I don't know who R is. It's our underlined periodical have unofficial OK to copy photos or part of photos, and official arrangements on use, payment or credit wasn't discussed. Request soonest return of photos to me air mail special delivery had lunched this afternoon with

R and her husband. So ours a woman at the Emerald Door restaurant. She says two nights ago she received a call from a man who identified himself a call and later met a man who identified himself and said her husband had once done him large favor. Informer said, under no circumstances once his name revealed, and she didn't

tell me. Informant says, in nineteen fifty nine through nineteen sixty one he was a member of CAP Group here and a member of the Marine Reserve Unit at Alvin Calendar Field, a Navy Reserve air station in Plaquemines Parish, twenty miles from New Orleans. That's an interesting one, Alvin Calendar Field that should probably be looked into. Informant is electronics technician who has several federal contracts, says in nineteen fifty nine, he because of CAAP connections and electronics training.

Approached by Ferry, who he knew well, and Arcocia, they asked if he would help in training anti Castro guerrillas being trained by Ferry and Arcocia in an abandoned portion of Calendar Oh. So they were using Calendar Field to train these guys outside of New Orleans with live ammunition

and m ones and other military ordinance information. Informant declined because of his government contracts, but agreed to act as a repository of information for Ferry and Arcoca in case they ever get into trouble and need someone to testify to their activities. Because of that relationship, he was kept well posted. He says, revolutionaries operated at Field under guise of being a CAAP group, which they weren't Aha, so Ferry was using the CAAP group as a cover for

his revolutionary training. His Marine Reserve unit at one time was asked to help train this group, and he personally observed Ferry and Arcocia giving rifle training to a group of twenty or so men. At the time. Ferry and Arcocia were also employed by US Immigration to be present

anytime groups of Cuban refugees arrived in New Orleans. In an identity and identify known communists, Fyi, r said, State's item reporter and time stringer David Snyder asked Ferry about working for immigration, and Ferry said no. However, says informant, every time refugee group was due to arrive, Arcacia would be jailed on pretext by New Orleans police and Ferry would be jailed by Jefferson Parish police. When Ferry resided,

then they thus were prevented from identifying incoming Cubans. Informant believes Orleans harassment directed by a then district attorney Richard Dowling and jeff harassment directed by Sheriff Jack Fitzgerald interesting, FYI. Both had strong Marcelo ties. Informant says Jefferson trial of

Ferry was a frame. Doesn't know why. In ours presence, informant phoned one Jim Marsh, who also knows Ferry and belonged to his CAAP group, and Marsh claimed Ferry had flown Oswald to Cuba in fifty nine in a Stinson. This is not possible, FYI. There is some rumor in tow about Ferry going to Cuba in a Stinson, either alone or with other people. Gonzales and I were told this on visit to West WeGo Airport, but we couldn't

get any other details. Informant also phoned on Mike Finney, who also ce AP group member, and informant asked Finny Dave Fay he didn't know Oswald day. Finney replied, yes, sure, and so did I. Informant said those persons were among those being trained as revolutionaries. That's interesting, and I don't know where to fit this into the scheme of things

fifty nine. Oswald was busy. He was in the fucking Marines until what He was in the Marines until September of fifty nine, and then he very quickly bounces to the Soviet Union. So I don't know what the fun when the fuck this could have been unless there was some shenanigans with the Marines, but it couldn't have been between March and September, So I don't know when the

fucker could have been. It could have been between that January and March period, if at all, but that would have been the only time, and he's got a lot going on. If he went to Monterey Language School, it's a very tight squeeze, so I don't know about this. Ivy Rodriguez Junior, who informant says very close to Arcacia

and should have key information. Johnny Johnston, now associated with Tulane University and close to Ferry, addresses fifteen oh three Thomas and phonus three sixty one, five three sixty three Leyton Martin's phonetic all right next page. Informant said in this period nineteen fifty nine to sixty one, Ferry went to Guy Banister to see if he could get harassment stopped, and Banister showed Ferry an informant letter from House on American et cetera, saying that D. A. Dowling was under

investigation for Communist ties on behalf of Ferry. Informant also talked to FBI locally in attempt to ease harassment, and was referred to Washington. He was told someone in Hoover's office, you'd better not get involved in this thing, and tell your friends they better get off of get off out of New Orleans. He called Justice Apartment shortly thereafter and was told the same thing in almost identical words. He had impression Justice Department had been briefed on him by

the Bureau. He took the advice and stopped all intimate association with Ferry and doesn't know what happened to Ferry, Arcotia or the Cubans thereafter. Informant also said he was told in this period by Ferry and Arcata that illegal Jefferson gambling casino Beverley Club was jointly owned by Marcelo and Battista, whom he assumed to be the ex dictator. He said he didn't know I, Dowling and Fitzgerald were harassing f and A Ferry and who the A is, but felt they either had been bought off or were

being used. Informant believes Orlando Piedra of Miami knows details of Marcello Battista Beverley Club arrangement. Piedra, as you know, was former Battista police chief, came to New Orleans in sixty one or thereabouts and bought a house on the lake front. Bill Stuckey did State's Item story on him at time, showing documents pertaining to Raoul and Fidel Castro which Fiedra had stolen it. Says person can who can locate Piedra as a doctor Jorge Garcia Montez five two

zero m Gerona Coral Cables. Another of ours contacts, as Garcia Montes, has information about Oswald heretofore unknown. R says Arcaca worked for both Battista and Castro. Others inform R Riley of Riley Coffee Company called employer of Our's husband. Both are members of crime organization or Crime Commission and said wanted to see urgently referenced Garrison. Are puzzled about why. I told her, Oh, let me reread this. This is interesting. Other infos from R. Riley of Riley Coffee Company called

employer of Our's husband. Both are members of Crime Commission and said wanted to see urgently referenced Garrison. Are puzzled about why, and I told her don't know. Maybe, but Riley was jittery since Oswald once worked for him. See it's a big closed intelligence network. Anonymous caller told R that Garrison is seeking Manuel Cassata for questioning. OUR has been advised to contact Andreas Pinea, patron of Los America bar here in, former Batista policeman for info on Ferry

Arcacia and maybe Oswald. R and her husband both have suspicion Electronics informant maybe government agent US government AR says she told the Cuban woman here named looks like Sir Miglia that Garrison asked her for address of Cuban priests named Father testis in Houston. Testis arriving February twenty third and is asked to meet with Garrison. R says she's

willing to continue to feed me information. What she and John Wilde's want in return is might help see that state's item not embarrassedly scooped up, particularly by local television. Said they understand my commitment to Life magazine. I'm assuming, but just don't want locally to be locally embarrassed. I told R. I thought I could do that with understanding I must be protected, and with also proviso that at

any time it might be cut off from information. They are interested in getting specific leads from me, and newspaper is quitting story until looks like Garrison is doing something. The agreement was more implied than spelled out in words, and of course leaves you in the magazine. The option of cutting me off from information when and if it becomes necessary are said. She heard Wild's originally intended give foregoing information to Garrison, but as conduct changed their mind,

it is my opinion. She and Wilds gave me the information so that later they will feel justified in asking me what I did with it and what their leads developed. I assume this is their motive, since I can't see any other. On another matter, clay Shaw's mother has a house in Hammond, and it is listed under the name G. L. Shaw. G. L. Shaw. Clayshaw's mother PS Pershing has been important source for r as to less degree. Judge Frank Shay, all Right, I got one more letter we're going to get through, and

I'll call it here for the day. We'll pick this up on probably Monday, December seventh, sixty six. Dear Dick, here within to a suggestion concerning television television ads. But before getting into that, I have a story to tell you, which maybe no more than interesting gossip. But if life plans to do more on the assassination, it might be

worth filing. A New Orleans detective twelve years on the force college education, says Oswald was connected with a weird pilot here who kept a gun, arsenal of fake passports, and a library. On post hypnotic suggestion, the detective headed a team which two nights after Oswald's capture rated the uptown New Orleans apartment of David Ferry, at the time suspended pilot for Eastern Airlines. Ferry had been under suspension six but had no visible income and was awaiting trial

on homosexual charges. The police hit his apartment after they learned from newspaper accounts Oswald had been a member CAP the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol. Ferry, until his airline suspension, was commander of Oswald's small CAP group. Oswald was a member in his teens, but the detective says Ferry indicated he knew Oswald during his nineteen sixty three residents here. The police had been watching Ferry for other reasons, but

remembered the CAAP connection. They raided the pad and found Ferry absent, but two seventeen year old high school boys there. The boys had in their possession visa applications for South America, and when questioned, handed police a card bearing the name of Jack Wasserman, Washington, DC, attorney for racketeer Carlos Marcello. Police did so, and Wasserman arranged for their parole. The boys told their parents they were members of a marshal

anti Castro group organized by Fairy. They were sworn to secrecy and could say no more. Well, is there a page missing? I think there is a page missing. Oh, I think there's a page missing here, but I'll read this last page anyway. It says page three. Second, where did Fairy get his and incident cuts off? But he'd

been flying to Texas paying and then it's cut off. Third, why doesn't apparently minor something or why is something with Wasserman and implication to organize crime Fairy's fake passports quasi guerrilla organization, and I think all the right hand columns cut off? Sorry by this and high school boys, but the Wasserman Marcello something is more sinister. Fourth, what influence if any did something as a juvenile or as an adult.

I don't know what that means. It's all cut off, but yeah, so you should be able to see that. This is so Coffee never went on the trip, okay, it was late in Martin's and so they get dropped off a Fairiy's place by Arcaca because David Ferry was in Hammond, right, And so our katcha ends up the going home and the two boys are there. The police come in after midnight on Monday, and they bust in

the place. They arrest them and on their person they had visa applications to South America, not suspicious at all. And they had cards to Jack Wasserman, one of Carlos Marcello's attorney. Not suspicious at all. Right, it's wild. So yeah, so it's clear that those guys were connected involved in all this stuff, and I explained it very well in my book of Warning from History. And we're not going to get into David Ferriy's full trip this time, but next time, let me see, the next time, we're going

to pick up with some of the Landry stuff. Landry and the al Cherami stuff, which is all connected to Daavid Ferry's Eastern Airlines stuff, which is coming up. We got to have a ton of pages on Eastern Airlines investigation into Ferry because Fairiy is a creepy pervert and they needed to fire him and so they did a huge investigation into the guy. So that's what's coming up. And let's it for me today, guys. I'll be back on Monday. Thank you.